Could you do a video on the Old Clan Tzimisce? The... I shall use the term bloodline, though they do not think of themselves as such, That the kindred by the name of dracula was a member of? and as a side question, Could a Tzimisce, having studied the discipline of Vicissitude, decide to once again embrace his humanity?
"What if, besides the blood of the living, you had to eat pounds of their flesh to maintain that thin facade of life - what would you call it? Twice damned?" --Pisha, in Vampire - The Masquerade: Bloodlines.
Personally I'd take any stories about obscure vampire sightings from the time period between 1999 and 2004 with a grain of salt. Between the Week of Nightmares and all other great big bloody apocalyptic goings-on, I think everyone's imaginations ran just a little too wild. I mean even Beckett (who I very much respect and trust) claims that he met and spoke with Caine Himself around that time. Just mad, mad stuff.
Ben Kielar Tots dude, my bro's cousin was part of some paranormal show or something, they were going to do a show at this old hospital, but they all disapeared.
+Alexander Dashit Saw a Brujah fledgling walk in and out... She didn't look too pleased. The Nagaraja I hear, wasn't seen after she walked out... Think it skipped town?
It really says a lot that Monique's feeding habits are the most horrifying thing a (SPOILER ALERT) Harbinger of Skulls has ever seen, when you consider the ordeals he's witnessed and endured.
I'm not very radical regarding clans hell I dont consider the Lasombra evil but I cant fathom how not every vampire for out of "humanity" reason or for the masquerade or to considering mortals multiple use, or for the fact they want Gehenna, or just get upset on them just being, did not yet decided that the Nagaraja extermination would be beneficial. - or I'm just Hippocratic evil :D
I always try to be as nice as possible to Pisha, because I kinda like her. And I just recently found out, that you can give her Gimble's arm to munch on. x´D
The Nagarajha are probably the best version of the whole mage becoming vampires.....(necromancers count as mages yeah?). What they did involved no third generation being involved....right? The Giovanni and Tremere where....misguided....
The Nagaraja is easily one of my favorite bloodlines. I used one in my chronicle. I went an off beat route with her by keeping the inherent scary bits intact but off-set the whole thing by giving her a generally upbeat and playful personality. She wound up being one of the player favorites.
I don't think I'm being unfair. The Nagaraja embrace those who are usually mortal members of their death cult or nihlistic in the extreme anyway. But, in point of the characters I described in the video, this is just the opinion of the character I'm portraying when doing the video. It's not unfair - it's just what he knows, or chooses to convey.
Excellent! Another amazing job. Every time you always do more than just tell the story behind the clan or bloodline, it seems as though you capture the very essence of V:tM and the soul of the WoD.
Well seams to me that is given to them even a path of little more humanity, if they choose to walk on it. With there ability to see how much time is left to someone meet death, they can choose those victims thats already going to dye.
Ah! Cool, never knew about the Mage connection with the Euthanatos. I got Mage recently and I've been reading and enjoying it. My only Nagaraja experience has been in Vampire: Bloodlines but I liked them. Both them, and the Macellarius from Requiem. I think they'd be difficult to play, but they should show up in many a chronicle!
Wow you covered points of this blood line that I somehow missed in the books. Mite have stopped reading before getting the most I could have out of them you sir are helping to make better story tellers. thank you.
Well given your rather classy manner of speaking, I'd wager that you might be a Ventrue, that would be my first guess. You could very well be a Tremere or Toredor. Perhaps even a Lasombra or Tzmisice antribu, the latter being one who chooses not to alter their own appearance. Of course just based on that logic alone isn't enough to pin you down to one clan or the other.
By that standard NO vampire could maintain Humanity. Just because blood can be more easily replaced doesn't make drinking it less cannibalistic. There are plenty of ways for a Nagaraja to survive without maiming innocent mortals (eating fresh corpses, feeding on vampires, feeding only on unrepentant criminals, etc.), their clanmates just tells them embrace the grisly side of their dietary needs rather than temper them. Or am I just being too optimistic again?
You seem to have painted the Nagaraja as inherently incapable of being anything but monsters a la the Blood Brothers which seems unfair to me. I think that the subculture that they've built within vampire society is what breeds monsters, not their vitae.
Interesting bloodline. I really liked your character studies, they help paint the picture of what this bloodline is like. Now I'm curious and have to find out more :P
an excellent video, a truly perturbing bloodline captured in gruesome glory by masterful discourse, my commendations to you my fellow scholar of the kindred
Good stuff. I subscribed to your channel very recently, and I have to say that I've enjoyed everything so far. Your presentation is wonderful, really captivating. I hope you can keep it up. Many thanks!
Another excellent entry into an excellent series. I know you said you didn't know werewolf well enough to do this, but keeping this going with them and mage traditions would be amazing.
Wasn't that book declared "not an official White Wolf product" because it was written by a bunch of disgruntled jerks who wrote it as they were being fired?
Oh god I forgot about THAT bit of *psyduck*. I was mostly thinking about how it tried to enforce crossovers in a system where starter mages can turn elder vampires into lawn chairs remotely.
Show me a cannibal who can maintain humanity and I'll show you a green dog, as a charming Malkavian once said to me.
This is the best clan lore video to watch whilst eating a Sunday roast...…… DX
Thank for your kindness!
Indeed. She was a good character.
Have you played VtM: Bloodlines? Pisha was my first encounter with the Nagaraja and I've found them quite fascinating ever since.
Interesting. Just a flavorful mention or were there already plans to merge Necromancy and Obtenebration back then?
They are lovely.
A dangerous path. I remember more than just "some" of that book being the nadir of oWoD.
such a cool intro
Could you do a video on the Old Clan Tzimisce? The... I shall use the term bloodline, though they do not think of themselves as such, That the kindred by the name of dracula was a member of?
and as a side question, Could a Tzimisce, having studied the discipline of Vicissitude, decide to once again embrace his humanity?
Yep!
it is only in the up to date books the clan powers have changed
He would if he could.
No no, that one is still official. But some of it was retconned or just ignored.
Dirty little secrets of the black hand.... origin Euthanatos who turn themselves into vampires.
If Mola-Raam was a leech.
Everyone knows now.
i just noticed that i didn't see this video in your VtM Clan videos playlist. just lettin' you know if you forgot. >.>
6:45 damn this is getting hot
"What if, besides the blood of the living, you had to eat pounds of their flesh to maintain that thin facade of life - what would you call it? Twice damned?"
--Pisha, in Vampire - The Masquerade: Bloodlines.
this video makes me feel like im a neonate and im being spoken to by an elder vampire
As far as we know there were no antediluvians involved in the creation of the Nagaraja.
Herd rumors of a Nagaraja living in an abandoned hospital in downtown L.A. around the early 2000's
Personally I'd take any stories about obscure vampire sightings from the time period between 1999 and 2004 with a grain of salt. Between the Week of Nightmares and all other great big bloody apocalyptic goings-on, I think everyone's imaginations ran just a little too wild. I mean even Beckett (who I very much respect and trust) claims that he met and spoke with Caine Himself around that time. Just mad, mad stuff.
Ben Kielar Tots dude, my bro's cousin was part of some paranormal show or something, they were going to do a show at this old hospital, but they all disapeared.
I also heard about a tremere neonate no fledgeling killed every single member of the LA sabbat. He has also been spotted leaving a hospital
+Alexander Dashit
Saw a Brujah fledgling walk in and out...
She didn't look too pleased. The Nagaraja I hear, wasn't seen after she walked out...
Think it skipped town?
I hated that you couldnt find out more about [nagaraja] there
It really says a lot that Monique's feeding habits are the most horrifying thing a (SPOILER ALERT)
Harbinger of Skulls has ever seen, when you consider the ordeals he's witnessed and endured.
I love you and your videos. It is a pleasure to spend time sitting with you~
I'm not very radical regarding clans hell I dont consider the Lasombra evil but I cant fathom how not every vampire for out of "humanity" reason or for the masquerade or to considering mortals multiple use, or for the fact they want Gehenna, or just get upset on them just being, did not yet decided that the Nagaraja extermination would be beneficial. - or I'm just Hippocratic evil :D
I always try to be as nice as possible to Pisha, because I kinda like her. And I just recently found out, that you can give her Gimble's arm to munch on. x´D
The Nagarajha are probably the best version of the whole mage becoming vampires.....(necromancers count as mages yeah?). What they did involved no third generation being involved....right? The Giovanni and Tremere where....misguided....
The Nagaraja is easily one of my favorite bloodlines. I used one in my chronicle. I went an off beat route with her by keeping the inherent scary bits intact but off-set the whole thing by giving her a generally upbeat and playful personality. She wound up being one of the player favorites.
I don't think I'm being unfair. The Nagaraja embrace those who are usually mortal members of their death cult or nihlistic in the extreme anyway. But, in point of the characters I described in the video, this is just the opinion of the character I'm portraying when doing the video. It's not unfair - it's just what he knows, or chooses to convey.
They're a fun bloodline to have around.
My point is that to eat someone you typically have to kill them. You can drink from someone and kid yourself that you're doing them no harm.
Excellent! Another amazing job. Every time you always do more than just tell the story behind the clan or bloodline, it seems as though you capture the very essence of V:tM and the soul of the WoD.
V20 has done well. VTM is going from strength to strength.
Well seams to me that is given to them even a path of little more humanity, if they choose to walk on it. With there ability to see how much time is left to someone meet death, they can choose those victims thats already going to dye.
I thought thus was very well done. I didn't like the way they changed this bloodline in the different editions.
You would have to take a guess.
at this revelation might I enquire as nto your affiliation so i might better understand your interpretations of the kindred and their lore?
the Nagaraja dont consume souls they have to consume flesh along with blood.... it is their clan flaw.
Disgusting but interestng... I'll have to use them in a game some time.
So how many bloodlines are left in oWoD to do for this series, the Ahrimanes?
Link me your email I will share a report that someone has on the Nagaraga.
Now the Dunsirn are like "sup fam"
They always have dominate. It's Auspex, Dominate, Nihlistics or Auspex, Dominate, Necromancy.
I won't be covering the Gaki, as they were retconned away. Far far away.
Nagaraja and Macellarius only share one commonality. Not a nice one.
They originally appeared in Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand.
"The gentleman's guide to vampires" insta-like :)
Indeed... How do the Nagaraja embrace? It's a revolting ritual.
Adored this. *thumbs up all the way*
Ah! Cool, never knew about the Mage connection with the Euthanatos. I got Mage recently and I've been reading and enjoying it.
My only Nagaraja experience has been in Vampire: Bloodlines but I liked them. Both them, and the Macellarius from Requiem. I think they'd be difficult to play, but they should show up in many a chronicle!
He could try, certainly. He'd need a damn good reason.
I may cover the Lhiannan.. I'm not sure.
That game has a few faults, Pisha being one.
I have indeed, on my second channel; thegentinquestion
True, but they still have to kill them.
Vicissitude being an alien disease for instance.
Toredor independent or antitribu?
If my knowledge of those lines ever expands, then sure.
Woot Woot for the Vitreous Path!
Wow you covered points of this blood line that I somehow missed in the books. Mite have stopped reading before getting the most I could have out of them you sir are helping to make better story tellers. thank you.
They were kind of obliterated.
It's coming out more and more.
Thank you for saying so! Very kind!
I won't be covering them.
Well given your rather classy manner of speaking, I'd wager that you might be a Ventrue, that would be my first guess. You could very well be a Tremere or Toredor. Perhaps even a Lasombra or Tzmisice antribu, the latter being one who chooses not to alter their own appearance. Of course just based on that logic alone isn't enough to pin you down to one clan or the other.
They're not too shabby.
I think I've now added it!
I hope that you do!
Nagaraja are the best!
By that standard NO vampire could maintain Humanity. Just because blood can be more easily replaced doesn't make drinking it less cannibalistic. There are plenty of ways for a Nagaraja to survive without maiming innocent mortals (eating fresh corpses, feeding on vampires, feeding only on unrepentant criminals, etc.), their clanmates just tells them embrace the grisly side of their dietary needs rather than temper them. Or am I just being too optimistic again?
More like disgust.
You seem to have painted the Nagaraja as inherently incapable of being anything but monsters a la the Blood Brothers which seems unfair to me. I think that the subculture that they've built within vampire society is what breeds monsters, not their vitae.
so do they embrace the same as other vamps or do they have to give flesh?
btw you have some very... interesting descriptions of them i must say
And now you know!
Woot indeed!
It would, yes.
Interesting bloodline. I really liked your character studies, they help paint the picture of what this bloodline is like. Now I'm curious and have to find out more :P
My thanks!
You're close.
Who?
an excellent video, a truly perturbing bloodline captured in gruesome glory by masterful discourse, my commendations to you my fellow scholar of the kindred
You are!
Good stuff. I subscribed to your channel very recently, and I have to say that I've enjoyed everything so far. Your presentation is wonderful, really captivating. I hope you can keep it up. Many thanks!
The Tzimisce, in other ways.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Oh dear...
Another excellent entry into an excellent series. I know you said you didn't know werewolf well enough to do this, but keeping this going with them and mage traditions would be amazing.
Wasn't that book declared "not an official White Wolf product" because it was written by a bunch of disgruntled jerks who wrote it as they were being fired?
That's up to you to decide!
She was indeed.
Thanks!
I'm glad you like it!
Thank you!
Thank you for those kind words!
Ha!
Cheers!
The Nagaraja npc in the Bloodlines video game really made you think, what with her insights into undeath.
Oh god I forgot about THAT bit of *psyduck*. I was mostly thinking about how it tried to enforce crossovers in a system where starter mages can turn elder vampires into lawn chairs remotely.
Bwahaahhaa...