Leaguecraft 101 Episode 13 Playing Losing Lanes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- Presenter - Matthew "PhRoXzOn" Leung-Harrison Diamond Mid/ADC
Hey guys, welcome to Leaguecraft 101.
Leaguecraft 101 is a series that teaches people how to become a Diamond player.
This episode is about how to play a losing lane.
Best of luck!
00:30 - Determining Losing Lanes
1:08 - Trade and Push
1:49 - Don't Push the Lane
5:28 - Avoid Trades
I just want you to know what your doing is wonderful. Keep doing it and don't get discouraged. We really want to learn from you.
A lot of people who watch your videos want to get better at LoL by learning. Perhaps you could make a video on how people can improve by applying deliberate practice. Optimally this would be regardless of ranking.
For example, how to apply deliberate practice, how to find weaknesses in your playstyle, what to put on that post-it on your monitor, which fundamentals are important and why, what fundamental skills to focus on first, etc.
I learn something new with each video, keep up the great work! Just after watching I feel super confident and look forward to applying what I learned on the rift...then I get in game and realize I need to remember 13 episodes worth of information lol. I suppose it would be better to focus on one thing at a time until it becomes habit then add something new.
+MyBAR89 that's the correct way to improve. League is really hard. Also write down stuff print it out and stick it there if you're intent on improving.
I want to thank you for all these videos. Recently I have been implementing, or at least trying to, everything you have said into my games. I was stagnated in plat V and now I am plat I and almost Diamond. You should see my face! Kudos and thanks =D
Love this channel, happy you're posting again
I'm marathoning your videos, and I can't not keep leaving comments.
This time I'd just like to say I can't wait for you to start making videos again now that replays are out and you can slow down each teamfight; at least, that's what I hope you'll do. Thank you so, so much for your videos, I'm constantly recommending these to people.
+Calin boiii no problem man. Glad you're enjoying them.
I totally forgot about your channel, your videos are amazing :) gonna binge now.
these videos really are great, i started applying the techniques from episode 1 and on and have instantly noticed that i have had more of an impact on my games :D
thank you!
Awesome video. Great length. Look smart. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress lectures or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' smart, solid, educational and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.
thank you for making these, I watched two and Finnaly understand what I have been doing wrong and see how I can improve. we really appreciate what you do thank you
This channel get me from silver to Platin in season 4. Love this channel and all your videos:)
This channel got me out of elo hell bronze ^>^
Great vid - that pushing the lane thing reminds me of a facepalm mistake where I use an aoe spell to panic last hit a minion that was gonna die to a turret shot, only to lose all the others because you know, now they are damaged improperly :(
Yep, or the enemy freezes the lane. gg
Love these videos! Please keep uploading more. :)
This helps me a lot to understand how to move the minions.
"Play like a little bitch" on that last slide made me lol. Almost steps into self parody
perfect video, big thumbs up cause i'm sure it will help anyone below low diamond to improve drastically
I know all of this in theory, but I always fall into the trap of trying to get that one cs, i even know consciously that what I'm doing is bad but I still do it.
These videos are awesome, they really improve my skills! Thanks! :D
thanks man
love the frequent updates
Thanks for the TF video man! Really useful for me
Where was this yesterday! I lost 2 games because I didn't do this! Masters here I come!
In your next video or some video soon, can you talk about when you can all in trade with the opposing laner? Like what you should look for in the map, like where is the jungler etc
+Anish Patel I talked about it in episode 5.
thanks
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! Usually when I lose a lane I'm clueless, now I know how to deal with it!
For your next video, I suggest talking about how to execute objective calls. Let's say our team goes for a risky dragon, despite having the same number of players and the game is pretty even (And despite several pings and warnings, that the enemy jungler is lurking nearby). How do we force the dragon, or bait them into a fight that we're likely to win?
+Rif OrSomething I'm not really sure what you're asking. Are you asking how to make good objective calls? Or are you asking how to get your team to follow calls?
Sounds like you're frustrated by a bad objective call your team made.
I mean in general - You've gone over when to make calls IIRC, I'm asking how to execute them properly.
Excellent videos, keep it up, you got yourself a sub!
This is a pretty good guide for trying to play a champion advantage matchup but what do i do if i have really fed my laner is really fed because of mistakes i've made and then said laner starts to roam (I don't know to follow or to try and push tower and risk getting killed by the jungler because i'm behind or risk the mid laner coming back where i don't have vision and killing me). Often times when this happens too the jungler will come and the already ahead mid laner like yasuo and the jungler will deny me all opportunities to catch up and if i try to roam i risk losing a tower. Whenever i play fizz or katarina this happens a lot, i end up feeding and i know that my mistake is i'm trying to forcefully take cs so i don't fall behind but i don't know what to do, i also find it hard farming under tower because the yasuo will poke me with W or the enemy ranged mage will use their long range abilities to poke me under tower then dive me when i'm low.
Also if i itemize to defensive items in a losing lane, how do i play in team fights when i do no damage.
If you could please reply to this i would greatly appreciate it, it's one of the reasons why i either win or lose my games and i don't want to keep losing games because i don't know how to play against a laner that i've fed or what to do with them when they roam and i can't follow.
I love these kind of vids
Keep it up man
Really good guide for vayne laning
sometimes you just gotta learn how to play it passive... good work my friend
i really needed this, thanks a lot
you're very helpful
very useful episode, thx bro!
Love your videos!!!
Nice job man
Always put up the fight...but sometimes with the way teams are matches up....and other factors...there is no coming back when you start to lose a lane.
love it man keep it up! I am a diamond 3 support main but I am stuck cause I am not good enough. I mainly play Thresh / Janna / Alistar and try and carry but I can't. DO you have any tips to improve myself? or make an up 2 date video about support :D
Love ya man keep up the content
hahahahaha
+captaindcc yeah it's on the to do list.
unswlolsoc Thanks man! can't wait!
I'm having trouble remembering to apply the knowledge from all of these videos into my gameplay. I know the knowledge, but I just forget to use it sometimes. Is there any way to deal with this problem?
+Hydro™ practice one thing at a time until it becomes subconcious, print it out, come up with a mnemonic. Just the same way you would train yourself to use certain math formulas.
I'm silver 4.....this video has helped me so much
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On low elo even if they freeze you can probably do greedy stupid roams and still get kills out of it, can't remember how many games Fizz was taking shit on the lane and just killed other lanes until he was too fed to stop
I....definitely need this information
fav episode, "play like a little bitch" killed me
Great videos! You deserve more views! Have you posted on the LoL subreddit?
+Dylan Guthrie yep. I think the channels already reached near peak saturation.
I love your video so informitive
Changing my summoner name to "PlayLikeALittleBitch" confirmed
The last TF clip with Leblanc; how do you cs when you run out of mana from Q spam? Do you just have to play really conservative with your Q? Assuming she doesn't give free blue cards
+Brodie Wedge when you notice yourself running out of mana, wait for the wave to hit turret then you can use your blu cards there.
If you're playing high ELO, when the wave hits the Turret, you may get minion crash dived so be ready to evacuate.
The most important thing is to make sure the wave is pushing to you and be high health when the wave crashes.
I really hope that one person who disliked did that on accident cuz your guides are really good lol
Do you think it would be wise (obviously it is to try and get but will I risk taking too much harass if I try to get every single one) to still try and get the XP off of dying minions? What would be a good reference for the xp range, any abilities have a similar range?
Getting one creep of xp is not worth any harass. Getting the gold is only worth it if you can equal trade.
stahp burning biskits
What do you mean by "trading and pushing works in low elo"? From my experience, if you're losing lane then attempting a trade is likely to get you killed again.
I believe the point is that retards like me waste their spells to counter that push/farm under turret so you are in no danger of getting harassed/bursted down :D
what about katarina who are melee and will most likely get herrased under tower anyways? should she not use Q to last hit minions or should you still just make sure the wave goes towards you?
i know it might seams like a stupid question to some, but i truely feel like last hitting with q is the only option. then again i might be wrong ^^
+Jonas Wolff use q to last hit while ensuring wave is pushing towards you. Absolutely right. Also if you notice they use something (eg. Viktor uses laser) then you can trading stance shunpo combo and use w movespeed to get away.
unswlolsoc thanks for your answer man! and awsome videos way better than any videos that teaches league!
"LeBlANK" triggered me so hard xD
I have a Question ...
Im main TF and i think its better to push the lane against a LB because she cs's bad under the turret and if she wants to get the cs she has to use her abilities so she cant use the abilities on you.
In my opinion you shoud push the wave under her turret and then back off.
It's waaaaay too early in the game for that to be mana-efficient for TF. You'll just get combo'd or ganked while you're trying to push, or she'll just freeze it outside her tower and use the threat of those to zone you.
That works against worse players but if your opponent knows how to freeze they will just lock it up just outside their turret range and zone you out, after a few minutes of that you are down a bunch of gold and overextended making you an easy gank.
+Alex Dewald in lower ELO sure, it's a reasonable strategy.
You could try playing TF against my LB and try pushing the wave if you'd like. It won't end well for you, I can guarantee you that much.
+unswlolsoc
Ty for your Answer!
I dont understund why pushing is sucided?? Platinum+ elo coulde you explain me. ?
I am a bit confused. should I or should I not push the wave. does it depend on elo?
+Ahmad Shalaby yes. Generally safe in low gold and below in all matchups. Only for even/winning lanes gold plus.
In this video ,at 2:15 ,could I use Ignite+flash and attack him with W gold card?I'm asking it because there are 6 minions hiting yasuo :v
+Augusto Paiva hmm I doubt it. I'm forced to flash away because of his flash auto kill pressure.
2:18 In low elo you just burst him and he runs away. xD
What about push + roam after 6?
How do I carry a team? I just really needed to do it for the ranked. Any tips in climbing solo?
Apply the tips from episodes 5, 6, 8, 11. That and good teamfighting (which I still have to cover) is pretty much all that challengers do. They just do it really consistently, which is why they're challenger.
unswlolsoc
thanks so much for your reply!!
Wait, I don't get it.
You're saying that once you get your catalyst/item, you can trade with the leblanc. However, wouldn't the leblanc still have a CS lead over you?
Yes, but she can't one shot me anymore once I get a defensive item. So I can trade, then sustain back up with catalyst. Or if I got negatron, the same thing.
TF is not too bad at trading after first back, especially with trading stance gold card. It's just his pre-6 that's really horrid.
unswlolsoc But for negatron, you would need potions to sustain, right?
You would need a few potions with Catalyst, too, perhaps. Catalyst is extra HP without giving you resists, while Negatron gives you resists, which (using a god-knows-which formula) translates into effective health when waking magic damage. For example, having 100 MR gives you 50% magic damage reduction, so when you get hit by a 100 damage spell, you take only 50 damage. So, in a way, by having 100 MR almost doubles your potential lifespan against magic users.
So, in theory, betting Negatron might let you live just as long as buying a Catalyst would, even without having the Catalyst's regeneration effect. :)
Yeah you should almost always have potions on mid lane. Staying on high health is really important for a mid laner. Catalyst passive allows you to do that, since TF can just endlessly spam spells.
BoroFreak and
He avoids getting chunked for cs so he wont die but diving a lvl 2 as a lvl 6+ would be insanely easy i dont understand
What about top lane? If you're a melee vs ranged?
If u have ranged abilities use those a bit. If not, then play around bushes, pop in and out so you dont get harassed too much and try to time your CSing under turret in such a manner that she gets a turret shot out of it. It's difficult cause he will want to AA you after your turret shot at a minion but you have to know that and go for CS when you're turret is ready to fire a new shot. Also buy Dshield and ask for a gank maybe. After your first back you should have items againts your laner and you should be able to force all-ins since as a meele your all in should be stronger. You just need to find the right moment for it. Like Irelia for example. Q on low hp minion, E- W AA AA AA till they get out of your range (with something like vayne Q or E) then Q back onto them and force their flash and maybe even flash after them with your flash. Same logic applies to something like Jax or Camille or Fiora. You have to be careful to execute the all in perfectly, else they can kite you then turn and finish you off or force you off CS. If you do it properly they are too low to contest you anymore or you even killed them.
How do you know Soraka is swearing in korean? :-)
Anyway, that retaliatory trade is very counter-intuitive and one would need to explain it to our duo partner. They are expecting us to attack whoever is attacking them in their defense. If we ignore that and go at the other enemy (ADC) our teammate is going to be upset because he sees it as us letting him die. So, they need to have the move explained. That would explain why Soraka would be mad.
Well soraka said 병신 which roughly translates to ret*rd in english
what if you're playing a champ that doesn't have long range abilities to cs and you're in a losing lane?
Let them push to your turret and CS under turret and don't take too much poke damage.
+unswlolsoc this will result in getting behind in C's by a lot if they freeze, but I guess that beats dying right?
+Leon C cs
Well yes, but it's impossible to freeze a lane that's not pushing. Did you watch the whole video? There is a whole 3 minute section on why to not push the lane.
If you follow both the tips I gave in the video (1. Stay out of harrass range, 2. Don't push the lane), your scenario can never happen AND you shouldn't die.
So basically.... don't tilt.... don't do something that will get you killed.
Are you sure you watched the video properly?
Hi, what can you do if you are against the laner who's being a "bitch". Do i just roam or call for a gank?
Agree with everything except "playing like a bitch". I feel it looks upon the tactic in a negative light when it should be looked at positively, otherwise most learning mentalities won't learn anything because the smart choice is seen as a poor choice. Words have power man. Use the right ones to encourage improvement. Unless you're trying to be funny, then I get why you'd say that.
I was trying to be funny. My videos are too serious these days lol.
Fair enough xD Being a teacher's rough eh?
Has its moments haha. Gotta throw a few curveballs in there to keep peoples' attention.
"leblank"
Problem with this is you lose priority and will most likely end up under ur turret farming while your laner roams with the jungler and you cant really react to help.
That's right. There isn't a way to play a losing lane but also stomp the enemy team. You're losing, so you have to make some sacrifices.
K0ragg just always spam ping MIA when ur laner leaves. That’s the best u can do
That is true I suppose.
It's rarely enough for people though, ends up with you having to mute them cause they have no game sense or map awareness. In low elo anyway, from Diamond and above people start to respect the roams and your MIA pings and either play safer or set up a counter gank.
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1st comment
I know that this is old but the video is quite obsolete, things that you say are plain wrong.
How ?
I think with the addition of gold playing, u have to play aggressive to an extent or else the opponent will snow ball harder with turret plating
"Only 50 cs behind" wtf at 9 mins in thats like game over for most people
But you're not 50 cs and 3 kills behind because you kept stepping up for cs
But you're not 50 cs and 3 kills behind because you kept stepping up for cs
But you're not 50 cs and 3 kills behind because you kept stepping up for cs
+Meleoffs yeah what he said. As long as you are only CS down, the game is recoverable. We were down 12k and still ended up winning.
this is the only vedio that he made with lots of wrong advices, and through his mindset I finally understand y the riot got so many silly balances coz he is one of the few who make the balance. I suggest u to be consult by LS aka the commentator of LCK. And plz understand the lane control u have grasp only apply to players lower than korean master lv.
2:42 ADC getting 2 extra minions while support getting chunked... sure she made a bad move, but you just made it worse by not helping.
Melancholic Sandwich , lol, the sarcasm. Plus I learned from it. OP
Love this channel, happy you're posting again