On a scale of 1-10? Muffaletta. Nah, mine's more like a plain ham and cheese, but after watching this, I think I can incorporate some vocal lettuce, some vocal tomato.. maybe some vocal mustard, might even double the vocal meat with some power-metal vocal prosciutto. I refuse to do vocal mayo, though. Too poppy.
What a lot of people don't get is that this has been done almost as long as non-destructive multitracking has existed (at least since the early 70s). It's not a 'fad' or a 'modern' thing. I remember one of Freddie Mercury's studio engineers talking about how amazing Freddie was at perfectly multi-tracking vocals.
Manual doubletracking was invented by Les Paul (I think, citation needed) and was in use in the 1950s. The Beach Boys and the Beatles did it a lot with vocals. Artificial Double Tracking (ADT) was invented specially for the Beatles during the spring of 1966 by Ken Townsend. What I don't get is why don't DAWs have some form of built-in ADT?
The only thing I hated about my band. It was impossible to get our singers to do overdubs or any kind of layering. Leads, harmony (not even 3 part), done. And we were a Dream POP band. Vocals really matter in pop and should be the star. You can lead a horse to water and all that lol
@LintBisquick it works like "damn i can never listen to these songs again because we brought our A-Game, but the vocals sound a little phoned." They sang everything like we did it live. That worked great for road testing songs, but the studio was the time to go wild, and they had zero desire to. It's very frustrating. Who I work with now is the total opposite. He'll give me like 14 vocal tracks lol
Well, it's a pretty limited choice - you can either have good backup vocalists, or have backing tracks to fill them in, or go without them entirely. I don't think people should make their decisions in the studio based on what it'll sound like live though, you should just make the best recording you can
This was such an informative and helpful video! Actually watching the process while explaining why, and how made it click for me and I'm sure it will for many others! What a killer tune too! In Virtue!🤘🤘
nice! been a while since i've seen alex on a channel plus a while since seeing the garage studio here. Great tutorial! literally just talking to someone about how to multi track guitars.
This reminds me of Jane's Addiction's "Ritual" album. Where Perry's voice was double tracked to increase the chances that one of the takes would be in tune at any given time. Because his lines were so inconsistent, it created a very distinctive effect and became part of the album's charm.
Hah! Great application for this mic! I own it too and love it for such versatility! Thanks for this video! Great idea to track some backing vocals with Dark mode.
So good to see you and Alex still making music! While I love the new direction of the channel, I do occasionally miss tag-team of old. Rock on, Dudes 🤘
I remember an interview with Chicago band bass player Jason Scheff where he said that they had triple layered vocals on "Will You Still Love Me" in the '80's.
thanks for this, trey. it was cool seeing how you layer harmonies, we did ours almost the same way, from the lead to the harmonies. We double tracked the lead vocal, but not the harmonies. never thought to add a lead vocal an octave down. very helpful tip! great video, trey!
Hi 👋🏻 I’m actually working on a cover with a friend, soon, I will record her voice, and I never done it before. This video is very instructive !!! Thx you so much guys !!! 😂👏🏻🔥
Awesome video! One thing that would have been nice to include was how you panned the layers as its an important part of the process. You've got a new subscriber now. 😎
As a supplement to this video, I really recommend watching Hardcore Music Studio's video titled "Pro Vocal Layering Secrets". It focuses more on where to apply layers in the arrangement, like what was alluded to at the end here, with famous pop songs as examples
I personally think the ideal number of vocal layers are found on modern Devin Townsend choruses. I mean if you were to expand all of the vocal submix layers into individual recorded tracks. 😂
Awesome video! It would be cool to see how many vocal layers are on each part of the song. Since the chorus is the "biggest" part of course, you'd have the most layers there, but how many layers work best in the verses, bridge, etc? That's one thing I'm trying to figure out as I learn how to write songs in my DAW and record my voice.
Use your ears. There’s no magic number for anything in recording, mixing and mastering. If it sounds good, it’s enough. If it doesn’t sound good do more or do something else. Don’t get hung up on how many layers of vocals you need or how many db’s to boost or cut. If it sounds good it doesn’t matter how many or how much you did or didn’t do something.
Great video! I do have to wonder though, how many tracks of vocals would there be in an average Queen song? Not a Bohemian Rhapsody thing but a regular song. Or a Van Halen song.
It’s easy to go overboard with layers and harmonies. It’s like eating a cake, you don’t want it all the time. Listening to an Alice in Chains album makes my ears tired.
Yeah but I also don't think that should ever stop you from making the best possible recording. You can cross that bridge when you get to it, if your song blows up you can worry about it then.
@@treyxaviermusic True. Lately I have been struggling with overproduction vs more stripped down stuff. Solid point though and that Chorus has wormed its way into my brain.
Each to their own but for someone so musically-educated, it's quite disappointing to see it going to waste on such monotone, melody-deficient type of metal.
You can do basically everything in this video with whatever mic you’ve got, changing the settings on the mic like we did is great if you can do it, but not a dealbreaker by any means
How do YOU layer your vocal tracks?
The correct answer is always, “DO AS MANY AS IT TAKES! GET IT RIGHT!”
On a scale of 1-10?
Muffaletta.
Nah, mine's more like a plain ham and cheese, but after watching this, I think I can incorporate some vocal lettuce, some vocal tomato.. maybe some vocal mustard, might even double the vocal meat with some power-metal vocal prosciutto. I refuse to do vocal mayo, though. Too poppy.
You displayed my process completely when I record my three vocalists in my project.
Who cares how I USED to do them?...I'm doing it like THIS from now on! Lol🤘🤘
With the stoner band just a dub, with the metalband, sometimes all-in Blind Guardian. Personal record: 28 of me me ME
Lmao. That mic costs as more than my entire studio setup.
What a lot of people don't get is that this has been done almost as long as non-destructive multitracking has existed (at least since the early 70s). It's not a 'fad' or a 'modern' thing. I remember one of Freddie Mercury's studio engineers talking about how amazing Freddie was at perfectly multi-tracking vocals.
Manual doubletracking was invented by Les Paul (I think, citation needed) and was in use in the 1950s. The Beach Boys and the Beatles did it a lot with vocals. Artificial Double Tracking (ADT) was invented specially for the Beatles during the spring of 1966 by Ken Townsend.
What I don't get is why don't DAWs have some form of built-in ADT?
@@royjohnson3361 Thanks, Roy. Great info!
i dont get how Trey doesnt have millions of subscribers at this point. keep bringing up this top tier content, man
someday. the cool ones are here now, everyone else will be late to the party
But my mom says I’m cool!
That song is “like Slayer, only slower” 😈 🤘
Production, subject matter, personality... Trey is running a clinic on how to make a great TH-cam video with this one.
The only thing I hated about my band. It was impossible to get our singers to do overdubs or any kind of layering. Leads, harmony (not even 3 part), done.
And we were a Dream POP band. Vocals really matter in pop and should be the star.
You can lead a horse to water and all that lol
But aren't the vocals in dreampop pretty much in the background and supposed to be just a layer of sound?
@@ratatatuff I'll say indie (dance) pop with a dash of dream pop. Chvrches meets Beach House.
How does that work? Those layers should be stacked!
@LintBisquick it works like "damn i can never listen to these songs again because we brought our A-Game, but the vocals sound a little phoned."
They sang everything like we did it live. That worked great for road testing songs, but the studio was the time to go wild, and they had zero desire to. It's very frustrating.
Who I work with now is the total opposite. He'll give me like 14 vocal tracks lol
8:32 but then how do the live performances go when there are so many less layers? A difficulty many bands have I'm sure
Well, it's a pretty limited choice - you can either have good backup vocalists, or have backing tracks to fill them in, or go without them entirely. I don't think people should make their decisions in the studio based on what it'll sound like live though, you should just make the best recording you can
@@treyxaviermusic Every metal boomer would like to know your location
I'm getting a lot of early Shinedown from the way it sounded with the additional vocals! Sounds great man!
I’m honestly impressed by how good the single track sounded. But yes great production tips!
Something I was wondering about for my own tracks, full of info, thanks for this guys!
I'm in the middle of recording a track and now I need to add more...thanks for the tips, guys.
Live layering - get the bassist, keyboardist, rhythm guitarist, and if he can handle it, the drummer all singing during the chorus.
Or as we used to call it, backing vocals.
Great video dude! It’s all about the layers 😤🙌💪😊
This was such an informative and helpful video! Actually watching the process while explaining why, and how made it click for me and I'm sure it will for many others! What a killer tune too! In Virtue!🤘🤘
Thanks!
nice! been a while since i've seen alex on a channel plus a while since seeing the garage studio here. Great tutorial! literally just talking to someone about how to multi track guitars.
Thanks for the tips Trey and bandmate fella!
Great video and song Trey, thank you!
Cool vid, would've been nice to hear each layer isolated too especially the harmonies, but learned a lot that I'll be using going forward. Nice one
Happy to see that this pretty much mirrors the approach that my bands and I take! Thanks Trey and Alex
great use of the wilhelm scream😂 i love that scream. never gets old.🍻
3:37 I love the harmonies during the bridge
Great content! Nice to see Alex make an appearance you two really work well together. Layer up GongGang!
This reminds me of Jane's Addiction's "Ritual" album. Where Perry's voice was double tracked to increase the chances that one of the takes would be in tune at any given time. Because his lines were so inconsistent, it created a very distinctive effect and became part of the album's charm.
Definitely created a signature sound for him, Ozzy too
Like Slayer… only slower… 😈🤘
Damn, this was an awesome episode! Here I am thinking we've been over doing it.
I like how you show an example in real time. Sick song btw!
Hah! Great application for this mic! I own it too and love it for such versatility! Thanks for this video! Great idea to track some backing vocals with Dark mode.
Gonna send this video to all of my client bands from now on before they track
So good to see you and Alex still making music! While I love the new direction of the channel, I do occasionally miss tag-team of old. Rock on, Dudes 🤘
I remember an interview with Chicago band bass player Jason Scheff where he said that they had triple layered vocals on "Will You Still Love Me" in the '80's.
I support your cause. I love this channel and I will be subscribing. Excellent work boys.
thanks for this, trey. it was cool seeing how you layer harmonies, we did ours almost the same way, from the lead to the harmonies. We double tracked the lead vocal, but not the harmonies. never thought to add a lead vocal an octave down. very helpful tip! great video, trey!
So much fucking talent, and I watch the contest videos on my way home from work. Keep it up, cheers!!
Happy to see the influx of content, sir!
my content is always in flux. no wait
This is actually one of my favorite videos on youtube 🔥
Hi 👋🏻
I’m actually working on a cover with a friend, soon, I will record her voice, and I never done it before. This video is very instructive !!! Thx you so much guys !!! 😂👏🏻🔥
Yeah man!!!! For more content like this! ❤❤❤❤❤
Awesome video! One thing that would have been nice to include was how you panned the layers as its an important part of the process. You've got a new subscriber now. 😎
Welcome! All the pairs are panned hard R/L, only the double/octave of the lead is in the center
As a supplement to this video, I really recommend watching Hardcore Music Studio's video titled "Pro Vocal Layering Secrets". It focuses more on where to apply layers in the arrangement, like what was alluded to at the end here, with famous pop songs as examples
I personally think the ideal number of vocal layers are found on modern Devin Townsend choruses.
I mean if you were to expand all of the vocal submix layers into individual recorded tracks. 😂
Extremely tight singing! I am impressed.
Awesome video! It would be cool to see how many vocal layers are on each part of the song. Since the chorus is the "biggest" part of course, you'd have the most layers there, but how many layers work best in the verses, bridge, etc? That's one thing I'm trying to figure out as I learn how to write songs in my DAW and record my voice.
Use your ears. There’s no magic number for anything in recording, mixing and mastering. If it sounds good, it’s enough. If it doesn’t sound good do more or do something else. Don’t get hung up on how many layers of vocals you need or how many db’s to boost or cut. If it sounds good it doesn’t matter how many or how much you did or didn’t do something.
I have that same mic, and I've struggled over and over trying to get the right sound from it.
The vocal layering that the singer for The Contortionist does is so crazy and perfect while also being subtle.
How would you describe it? I love, love, love The Contortionist (esp. Clairvoyant)
7:50 I guess the song is called Cream now
i like the song and i'm not normally into this genre, great voice!
great, do you have a video about how to set the effects on the voice like that ?
Bro - you're genuinely a great vocalist
Thank you!
I concur. 😊
What a strong voice. Awesome
When is the next single?!?
This was really cool!
I like imagining the gong master reacting to this song in a Treyception. Would he have any advice or just say "It's perfect...you win."
This is useful. Thanks!
I like being useful!
Great video! I do have to wonder though, how many tracks of vocals would there be in an average Queen song? Not a Bohemian Rhapsody thing but a regular song. Or a Van Halen song.
That's a lot of vocals 👌👏💯
This is the video I needed.
Double track vocals have been extremely common since the 60s.
Did you pan them hard right and left?
Thanks for the tutorial but the song is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
You are genius, watching u from haiti
Umm, how we’re the tracks panned? Did I miss it? Like hardpanned left and right?
Surely it’s genre specific?
As always, and to taste of course
I'm not a fan of metal, but you do have a good voice.
More studio stuff with Brother Alex 👍
I just really need a video that doesnt rely on thousands of dollars in studio equipment for the result - the search continues
You can do all of these things with whatever equipment you have, none of these techniques are dependent on your gear
did you replace the double with the octave down ?
In this I did, you can have both if you like
My last ep, my producer made me do like a billion takes. I’m glad my voice was strong or I would have lost it.
Yes, tis a great song!!
Letterman visited Billie Eilish..something like 86 takes spliced together on, whatever tune that was. That blew his mind.
I’m working on a track and the chorus sounded…flat. Hard to describe. Going to do try this now
The parts with the most layers and harmonies on them sound a lot like what Jonathan Davis has been doing on the last 4 Korn records...
stacks stacks stakcs stacks (of layers)
cool stuff 👍
This song is fire
Nice lewitt ad
thanks I worked really hard on it
0:25 Dude is he from Ethiopia?? He speaks like he been somewhere..
Great video
Scream! Featuring Trey's Bare Feet.
Damn tenors
Cool video guys!!
Trey is definitely not a tenor lol. Baritone for sure.
It’s easy to go overboard with layers and harmonies. It’s like eating a cake, you don’t want it all the time. Listening to an Alice in Chains album makes my ears tired.
sibilance ✨ ✨ 😂😂
Realize when he was singing it was already heavily compressed. There was no real difference between the quiet parts and the loud parts.
Yeah that's why Alex was there, he applied all the processing so it would sound closer to a finished product
@@treyxaviermusic 👍👍
Great info whilst being corporate Dannys
Perfect
We're doing EVERYTHING fucking wrong!
What does _left_ or _right_ means when recording doubles?
That refers to the panning in the stereo field
Fancy microphone!? Just change the speakers in your cabinet!!
ALEX!!!!!!!!!! Also hi Trey
Sounds great, but live you better have some players that can bring some BGV's otherwise you may have to resort to tracks.
Yeah but I also don't think that should ever stop you from making the best possible recording. You can cross that bridge when you get to it, if your song blows up you can worry about it then.
@@treyxaviermusic True. Lately I have been struggling with overproduction vs more stripped down stuff. Solid point though and that Chorus has wormed its way into my brain.
You could title this video better. It’s such a quality video but the title is poor.
That mic costs more than my amp rig lol.
It's spendy, but it's also basically several mics in one. Lewitt also makes a bunch of other awesome mics that are much more affordable
@@treyxaviermusic I do like the Lewitt dual capsule for guitar. Haven't tried a vocal mic yet though.
Scraym!
Laughs in Breaking Benjamin…
🤣🔥
Each to their own but for someone so musically-educated, it's quite disappointing to see it going to waste on such monotone, melody-deficient type of metal.
I’ll encourage you to check out the rest of my discography, this one I was going for a simple sing-along chorus
What has Yrey become? Yrey is no longer grounded. Yes his mixes sound nice. But who hurt him?
First comment first like 😂😎
$3k mic. most people are not gonna find that helpful.
You can do basically everything in this video with whatever mic you’ve got, changing the settings on the mic like we did is great if you can do it, but not a dealbreaker by any means
I prefer one layer to be honest. It sounds more “organic”. Allows you to appreciate more Treys voice.
Sooooo we just need a $3500 mic 🤨
You can do the same basic idea with whatever mic you've got
@@treyxaviermusic I know brother… just being an ass 🤷🏻♂️ and a little jealous of that mic
it's a damn fine mic
@@treyxaviermusic so which brand/model mic did you use in your own studio recording vocals for “Scream”?
Good production tips but…. seems more like an ad for a microphone. Thumbs down on that one.