Take a look at our new trains due to hit the Northern network from December this year. There's still a few things to finish off, but they're looking great.
These trains look so good! The inside is nice and also their comfortable. Unlike the Pacer that is bumpy rides and uncomfortable I hate going on pacers! This train is PERFECT
Northern Railway Yes but these plug sockets don't appear to have USB ports, do they? TransPennine Express for example don't just have plug sockets but the plug sockets have USB ports as well on all their refurbished and new trains as you can see here if you look at the video description th-cam.com/video/4UoNKuaq6qI/w-d-xo.html
Wow! That looks awesome! Living in Kent, I am booking a trip up to Manchester to ride the final few packers and I will book a journey on this new beauty!
Now that we're out of the EU (which I don't agree with btw) it would have made more sense to use Bombardier for new trains. They're based in Derby............not Zaragoza. Northern, for once couldn't you have put the cheapest deal aside and used your noddle instead? .....we can't afford to continue having everything you can think of being made for us overseas. Now we're independent we need to think alot more about these things. But people who voted 'Leave' evidently didn't think of 'these' things. Being out of the EU means being more self sufficient. And this means not having other countries to fall back on in making stuff for us, to compensate for out own shortsighted shortcomings. This is real now. Brexit is going to mean this. Wake up everyone.
@@robtyman4281 Well, now CAF is making new trains for the DLR and some trams in their new factory in Newport, and probably they will make more for the near future, as a former employer I can say they made one of the most reliable and beautiful trains out there
Super accurate to the artists’s impression video. Just that the artists’s impression video showed us getting tables on the interior, shame we are not getting tables but can’t win them all. All that said the train looks super nice.
Alasdair Clift My bad I thought that the interior was finished when they shot the video, At least to me It looked like the interior was finished when the video was shot. I would have been rather let down if we did not get tables, since most other trains have tables these days. Looking forward to seeing these trains on the network, they really do look amazing CAF did a great job making these trains.
Ibrahim meanwhile on the west cumbria line, northern "upgrade" the rolling stock with class 45 diesel engines becuase of their lack of capacity to provide adequate quantity of passenger services
I'd take loco hauled coaches over old DMUs any day. To be fair to northern it's not their fault that many electrification projects have been delayed or cancelled.
Northern Railway Will the new trains be doing the Lincoln - Adwick route as I'm sick and tired with the pacers? They're loud and too small for the route. Time to improve!
Hope there’s plenty of standing room. By the times the trains get to Shipley on a morning heading to Leeds there’s never a seat. Just breathing space to stand be nice some mornings and evenings home from work. But hey it’s great to see new trains none the less.
Very sorry to hear this. We always put on as many carriages as we can, but at this time all our available carriages are in use across our network. The planning team allocate each day, based on what is available. However the number of available carriages can alter, due to scheduled maintenance, disruption or alterations. We do have brand new trains being built, which have a greater capacity than the trains they are replacing, and will be increasing our peak time capacity over the next couple of years. In the meantime we are also acquiring more carriages from other operating companies. Apologies for the inconvenience caused ^JB
@@NorthernRailwayOfficial I understand my area, Scarborough, isn't as much priority as the larger stations. But when I went to Hull, in the morning our train consisted of 4 coaches, two class 158s coupled together to form 4 carriages, and hardly anyone was on board it. But coming back was a crammed dirty 2 car 158! Do you base where you allocate rolling stock wherever is needed, or put it wherever? Obviously it will most likely be the same type of train for that route! But I'm glad we are getting some 155, and 150s to add more variety! Thanks for the improvements!
Nitroblast nitro I don’t dislike all new trains. I was very impressed with the GWR 387s when I rode on one a few weeks ago, and I have to say that the 700s are growing on me too. I just wish the seats had more padding in them.
General Motors Northern have said they’re meant to have more padding on them than the 700 seats and I can tell from pictures it does, however how much more is a different matter
MTW Gaming I think the current 156 seats used in the Northern Spirit refurb are good (they are the Richmond ones) and could probably do services up to an hour (like they do regularly on Liverpool-Manchester Oxford Road) however the First North Western ones (Chapman style seating) aren’t quite as good
Stan ley no, your lucky. I have lincoln central. All we have here is 153,156, a small chance of 158's for east miss trains.142,144 for the northern route and the 222 that goes down to London. Anyways speaking about northern we only have pacers be happy you get a 158 and 150 since that's rare afff in lincoln
Voted worst railway line in UK - Licoln-Nottingham ;) But when i must go by train do Nottingham or Sheffield i trying to catch EMT - refurbished class 158 is really nice. And usually 4 cars in set - so always some empty seats to choose. Northern rail has original 158's 2 car sets or sometimes 150/1 at this route. Is lower comfort, because of it's age - looks dirty, but ticket cost same money...
Could do with a bike storage on both sides and compared unfavourably with the older TPE units. Seats were Okay and ride is very nice. Ours was held for quite a delay just short of the west end of Arnside viaduct. Air travellers moaning on a bit!!! ATS magnets at fault? Pacers still rattling up and down from Lancaster to Morecambe
A puff-piece by Northern, but I have no problem with that since these 331s HAVE to be better than the pacers they replace. However, I wouldn't make a virtue of the fact that they are being built outside of the UK. I didn't see any WCs in the video but will presume they've thought of that in the design. Also, a lovingly lingering shot on a UK power point fitted on a "one between two seats" basis is almost bound to lead to problems on crowded trains (try leaving Leeds between 5pm-7pm weekdays) and are at just the right level for a well placed vandal's boot. Even my local bus now provides USB charging points for every seat but I didn't see this in the new Northern stock - a missed opportunity? A positive is the inclusion of a loop for hard of hearing passengers. After years of pacer trains these 331s are a breath of fresh air but sadly not the step change in design for which I'd hoped.
Hang on.. Northern is owned by Arriva? That explains all the Pacers then lol. But to be fair these trains look amazing and I hope to Travel on one soon. They should replace the sprinter's with this too.
Rail.TrainMaster alot of toc's are Arriva, the obvious one is Arriva trains Wales but there's Chiltern Railways, northern, cross country, grand central and Arriva Rail London which is basically London Overground. Also Arriva is DB, so basically most of our rail network is in the hands of the Germans.
Hi there, glad you like them! Chester to Leeds (via Manchester) will be the first route to benefit from our fantastic new trains. But beyond this all routes have not yet been confirmed ^TW
They probably tested liveries on the first drawings and decided yellow would suit it more, even though the new headlight regulations mean that trains with powerful-enough lights don’t need yellow.
I imagine it was to match the others in their fleet like the 150s, 155s, 156s, 158s, 170s and the 333s that all need them and will operate alongside them
When are these trains coming? The Leeds to Sheffield line still have trains which look like allotment sheds on wheel. They're absolutely disgusting inside with ripped up stained seats. I have to put up with these knackered trains every day cos I work in Sheffield
Are these new trains coming to Newcastle or is the true North being left down again and Personally I love the pacers there is nothing like a pacer each pacer had its own character maybe you should keep some back just in case these new ones breakdown because even though they are old there where reliable or at least give some to preserved railways/museums because they did save the British Railway
The new trains are stunning, shame I live in the Southern region, we got our new stock 20 years ago or so. Some tables might be a nice addition though, especially if they’re used on longer routes.
Alasdair Clift I'm not saying the Electrostars are bad, they're my favourite commuter trains ever made. It's just that they are nothing on the 4th generation stock currently being rolled out.
camjkerman There isn’t any 4th gen EMUs. And I’d say the Electrostars are probably much more comfortable than the 700s and Aventras since the Electrostars were ordered before the SRA and now the DfT started regulating everything the TOC does and specifying stupid requirements (like the ironing board seats) on all new train designs, so the Electrostars now have decent seats and are perfectly comfortable for both short and long distance
Alasdair Clift I refer to 4th generation as if the BR generation scheme had carried on. So 319s are Gen 2, 375s are Gen 3 and 700s are Gen 4. I agree with you on the seating though. Those Fainsa ones are awful.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you there. Northern are currently the company responsible for services on the Windermere branch, serving Oxenholme Lake District to Windermere, and it's a complete shambles. Archaic rolling stock and services regularly cancelled. Visitors arriving here from China, Japan and Europe must feel they have entered a time warp. What a disgraceful introduction to their holidays. We are sick and tired of Northern's "cuando, cuando" protestations.Always jam tomorrow, whilst passengers using First Trans Pennine Express already have a fast, reliable electric service.
Regrettably, Mr Burns, First Trans Pennine were not chosen to contineue to operate the Windermere branch, and through services to Manchester Airport. I do not know who made that decision, but it was a terrible mistake both for local commuters and visitors alike. If we still had FTPE we might have been getting something befitting for the Gateway to the Lakes. Their new bi-modes could do the job very nicely.
Northern, I like that you got new trains and all, but can you make sure that your 331 sets on the Liverpool lime street service doesn't block my shot of an ex-LNER Class 43 test train?
These trains have been running since July 2019. They will allow for the cascade of Sprinter units in order to replace Pacers. The majority of 142 units have been withdrawn, with the only remaining units being used to allow for social distancing measures. Some 144s have also started to be withdrawn
We need those new trains on the Barrow in Furness to Carlisle route which is a important route to get access to Inter City connections, also the Barrow in Furness to Lancaster route, and these routes can be unreliable through poor clapped out trains, and overcrowding, lack of rolling stock. Mr Robinson.
Hi Michael. We haven't confirmed which routes the new trains will be running on at this stage, but the whole of the network will benefit from our fleet modernisation programme, with all our trains either being new or fully refurbished to as-new condition, withdrawal of our oldest trains including the Pacers and loco-hauled trains, and more trains available ^JB
While a majority of "new trains" look absolute crap + I don't live up north, this definitely looks like a stepup from the Pacers and an improvement to the routes
This isn't related to the Civities, but about the 333s (which also applies to the HEX 332s). There are black marks on the ends of the trains that seem to be where the panels meet. Is this corrosion or something else? Other than that problem they're beautiful trains.
Those black lines are just because they were built in the old CAF factory from before they got higher end equipment and the tooling that was used meant the panel gaps had to be larger, so its supposed to look like that. Glad you like them though. I like them but not in the Northern livery, there was a concept a while back of one in Network Southeast livery and it was amazing.
Yeah I do like the later ones and the 333s, I think they're one of the best looking trains in the UK. I also think that they have a shape reminiscent of the Networkers. The picture you were thinking of was from Alternative Railways.
Hi. Are you making Dore and Totley double track. It’s quite a bottleneck and are you refurbishing The Hope Valley and Brigg lines Stations? Darnall really needs that fix up.
@@agent_605 Thanks, yes I commute daily on the refurbished 323s. I had heard that they did some test runs with the 331 on the route during lockdown so I was hoping we'd get some nice new trains :) not that the 323s aren't a pleasure to ride on.
@@AmbiAnts589 I’ve seen some class 331’s while walking to Riverside to my local school which is in Macclesfield so I think they now operate between Stoke and Manchester
Don't think they'll be on those routes, that'll likely be 170s and refurbished 158s as the 195s are mainly for cross-Pennine 'Northern Connect' services like York-Blackpool North, Manchester Airport-Windermere, Chester-Leeds to name a few
While I'm sure the noise levels and ride quality will be superior to a Pacer, I'm disappointed that Northern have followed the trend for thin "ironing board" seats.
This class 331 train 🚊 looks very nice 👌 and comfortable is much better than the crappy 142 and 144 pacer trains 🚂 🚂 🚊 🚊 🚆 🚆. The seats 💺💺💺💺 are cosy, comfortable, soft, nice 👌, trustworthy, good 👍, perfect 👍 🤩 😍, hopeful and finally great 👍. Of course there are 31 x 3 car class 331001-031 and 12 x 4 car class 331101-112 used for Northern Rail. Also there are 25 x 2 car class 195001-025 and 33 x 3 car class 195101-133 are also used for NT - Northern Rail as well and all accommodation is standard class only. It’s a no smoking 🚭 carriage. 👍👍👍
Probably not Lime Street as we mainly will get refurbished 319s for electric services and don't really have any long distance routes operated by Northern from Lime Street, and the 195s are for longer distance Northern Connect services
TheEnglishTrainSpotter2018 I agree they are falling apart. Trains are not built to last now. A classic example is the iep. I can’t see them lasting as long as the Hsts.
Turbostar The 158s, when refurbished, are great trains. I was up on one on the Far North last year and was almost like new with free WiFi, USB sockets, comfortable seating and even a trolley service. They don’t need replacing yet, especially not the 170s
Well, from this clip it looks as though they still have not got the seating right. I'll thought out seat spacings with a failure to ensure that all seating corresponds to a window. Additionally, the poor quality of seating we have come to expect on our modern railways in the UK. The usual rigid framework with very thin cushions for the seat itself. Numb or sore bottoms will be the order of the day with these trains.
The reason Northern bought from CAF is because both Hitachi and Newton Aycliffe and Bombardier at Litchurch Lane were both full with orders, with Hitachi still needing to complete the 800s and 801s for VTEC/LNER, and the 802s for GWR, TPE, and Hull Trains. Bombardier however need to finish the 345s for TfL Rail/Crossrail, as well as the 710s for London Overground, the 701s for South Western Railway, the 711s for c2c, the 720s for Greater Anglia and the 730s for LNWR and WMR
Bibb Bbvccc The 323s IMO are quite nice, especially if given a good refurb and could potentially run 6 car services on the route (platforms aren’t long enough for 8 car 319s). The 319s are slow and horrible and take ages to accelerate
Hi there, unfortunately beyond the initial routes nothing has been confirmed at this time but as soon as the information is available we will post this to our feed As well as our new trains we are also refurbishing the rest of our fleet and investing more than £35m in modernising our stations, so all routes will see improvements ^TW
Could you put these on the Sheffield - Leeds, Sheffield - Huddersfield and Castleford (?) - Sheffield? All I get running through my Local station are your pacers.
Hi there. I'm afraid we aren't able to confirm which routes the new trains will be running on at the moment, other than the first two routes they will be running on - Leeds-Chester and Manchester Airport-Blackpool North ^JB
Les Bowring You will get heavily refurbished Sprinters to a similar standard of the modern trains. And they’re only just turning 30, trains often last till they’re 50
They no longer meet modern safety regulations and there isn’t really anywhere to use them as only small areas are electrified and are either getting new or refurbished trains already
OH HELL NO! 1. There is no line with a max speed of 110 mph to run class 387s. 2. Rarely any line is electrified. 3.The class 378 is meant to run on electric tracks not overhead wires so where in coranation will we get the money for this?
considering northern have only ordered 43 complete train sets and the sizes of northerns network they will be a rare site. i suggest you put one of the new full train sets on every route. are northern going to order anymore new trains
Hi Mark. We have 98 trains on order - 55 diesel, 43 electric. We have options for potential further carriages. We are also acquiring many trains from other operators, all of which will be refurbished to as-new condition along with most of the rest of our fleet (excluding those trains that will be withdrawn) ^JB
The current plans are being drawn up for which routes they will run on. The confirmed routes so far are Leeds-Chester, Manchester Airport-Blackpool North, and Manchester Airport-Windermere ^JB
Wish we could have these trains down south (Southwestern Railway), instead of the new 707's....and soon the even newer 701's . Both have awful 'ironing board' seats. SWR want to replace the 707's ( only introduced three years ago....just before South West Trains or SWT lost the franchise to SWR). These new trains for Northern look so much better, and the seats actually look comfortable! 🙄
ND78S No need to be rude now. They look to use the ScotRail style seating used on their 156s and 385s, which have much more padding and have had much less complaints
Agreed but so should the 158s etc be retired they are not exactly adequate for todays ever increasing passenger flow. And these new units do not exactly cater for growth. They should have all been 4 car. It was a shame that the 185s were not built as 4 car too.
Turbostar The 195s and 331s are likely to be extended soon if the DfT allow them to be. The 158s are fine and with a simple refresh work fine for the routes they operate
![[Full Journey] Northern class 331 POV Manchester Piccadilly - Manchester Airport](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xH0aYn4OFzc/mqdefault.jpg)
These trains look so good! The inside is nice and also their comfortable. Unlike the Pacer that is bumpy rides and uncomfortable I hate going on pacers! This train is PERFECT
Beautiful. my favorite to dispatch 😍
What a clean train! Looks classic and modern at the same time!
We are pleased to hear that you like the new fleet! ^VR
@@NorthernRailwayOfficial You are the best railway company ever! I look forward to ride your trains in the future!
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1:56 NEW CLASS 331! 1:56 WOW NEW! 1:56 NOTHERN BY ARRIVA
0:01 CHOO CHOO NEW CLASS 331! 0:08 NEW CHOO CHOO 0:14 YES 0:23 DOORS FIXING CHOO CHOO 1:22 NOTHERN 1:55 NOTHERN BY ARRIVA
Quite a stylish interior. Those seats actually look quite comfortable! That'll never catch on.
Hello Andrei, we love the interior too! We assure you that all of our new trains will look this way. ^VR
the Pacers was the first train i traveled on got us from A to B thank you for all the years
Seems very strange on brand new trains to not have USB ports with the plug sockets as standard.
Hi Alex, there will be plug sockets installed! ^LM
Northern Railway Yes but these plug sockets don't appear to have USB ports, do they? TransPennine Express for example don't just have plug sockets but the plug sockets have USB ports as well on all their refurbished and new trains as you can see here if you look at the video description th-cam.com/video/4UoNKuaq6qI/w-d-xo.html
I see, we will pass on your feedback. ^LM
Northern Railway Thanks!
So people can also charge laptops and things
Class 331's look great! Can't wait until they come to the UK :)
Yes, won't be too much longer now :) ^JB
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Woah! Super accurate to what the original Artist's Impression looked like! :)
Thank you for your feedback :) ^JB
The original concepts looked totally different though...
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The interiors look great! Better than my local trains :)
Thanks Nath! ^LM
Thank you for your feedback. ^LM
Looking good northern keep it up 👍
We'll have further progress reports soon :)
Wow! That looks awesome! Living in Kent, I am booking a trip up to Manchester to ride the final few packers and I will book a journey on this new beauty!
You should be proud of what you have ordered the new CAF Civity Class 195 and Class 331 trains.
New and shiny but will still be subject to generous helpings of cancellations and delays as per NorthernFails standard.
@@VoyagerLover221-zi9uz this is actually their channel as well so they will see that comment
Great rolling stock built by the spanish CAF as usual!
Glad you like them, Talgo! :-) ^TW
Now that we're out of the EU (which I don't agree with btw) it would have made more sense to use Bombardier for new trains. They're based in Derby............not Zaragoza. Northern, for once couldn't you have put the cheapest deal aside and used your noddle instead? .....we can't afford to continue having everything you can think of being made for us overseas. Now we're independent we need to think alot more about these things. But people who voted 'Leave' evidently didn't think of 'these' things. Being out of the EU means being more self sufficient. And this means not having other countries to fall back on in making stuff for us, to compensate for out own shortsighted shortcomings. This is real now. Brexit is going to mean this. Wake up everyone.
@@robtyman4281 Well, now CAF is making new trains for the DLR and some trams in their new factory in Newport, and probably they will make more for the near future, as a former employer I can say they made one of the most reliable and beautiful trains out there
CAF stands for Cheap As Fuck!
@@EM-yk1dw ahahahhaha you surely know nothing about trains then
WOAHHHHHH!!! So good!
Fun fact: this train is replacing pacers
I just hope these are put on the Lancaster to Leeds line, and the Barrow in Furness line. Getting a bit fed up of the old pacers
Super accurate to the artists’s impression video.
Just that the artists’s impression video showed us getting tables on the interior, shame we are not getting tables but can’t win them all.
All that said the train looks super nice.
They should have tables once completed, the interior wasn't fully completed when this footage was shot
Alasdair Clift My bad I thought that the interior was finished when they shot the video, At least to me It looked like the interior was finished when the video was shot.
I would have been rather let down if we did not get tables, since most other trains have tables these days.
Looking forward to seeing these trains on the network, they really do look amazing CAF did a great job making these trains.
Northern, I should travel on your service even more because you people are awesome
Thank you for the feedback! ^LM
Northern Railway it’s a shame Arriva cannot adopt these practices for its other franchises such as Chiltern and replace the dreadful Class 165s
Ibrahim meanwhile on the west cumbria line, northern "upgrade" the rolling stock with class 45 diesel engines becuase of their lack of capacity to provide adequate quantity of passenger services
I'd take loco hauled coaches over old DMUs any day. To be fair to northern it's not their fault that many electrification projects have been delayed or cancelled.
Northern Railway I really like you and you make lovely new trains. I love you guys
The bubble designs on the seats are nice, I'm sure Vicky pipe would approve
Glad you like it, Dan! :-) ^TW
so confortable traveling around yorkshire
Yes no more pacers
We will indeed be retiring our pacers from service ^TW
Thank god !!
Northern Railway will have to ride them soon then.
We can't wait to ride them either!
Northern Railway Will the new trains be doing the Lincoln - Adwick route as I'm sick and tired with the pacers? They're loud and too small for the route. Time to improve!
This is seriously the best train company existing one driver let me in the cab onces you can’t dislike northern
Now they. Are. In. Service
Theyre amazing, i dont understand why they are being replaced and not the frickin sprinters
Hope there’s plenty of standing room. By the times the trains get to Shipley on a morning heading to Leeds there’s never a seat. Just breathing space to stand be nice some mornings and evenings home from work. But hey it’s great to see new trains none the less.
Very sorry to hear this. We always put on as many carriages as we can, but at this time all our available carriages are in use across our network. The planning team allocate each day, based on what is available. However the number of available carriages can alter, due to scheduled maintenance, disruption or alterations. We do have brand new trains being built, which have a greater capacity than the trains they are replacing, and will be increasing our peak time capacity over the next couple of years. In the meantime we are also acquiring more carriages from other operating companies. Apologies for the inconvenience caused ^JB
Northern Railway appreciate response. Really do but carriages never vary. I understand train scheduling. Sometimes there isn’t enough room to stand.
@@NorthernRailwayOfficial I understand my area, Scarborough, isn't as much priority as the larger stations. But when I went to Hull, in the morning our train consisted of 4 coaches, two class 158s coupled together to form 4 carriages, and hardly anyone was on board it. But coming back was a crammed dirty 2 car 158! Do you base where you allocate rolling stock wherever is needed, or put it wherever? Obviously it will most likely be the same type of train for that route! But I'm glad we are getting some 155, and 150s to add more variety! Thanks for the improvements!
Love the halftone fade on the seats.
Nitroblast nitro I don’t dislike all new trains. I was very impressed with the GWR 387s when I rode on one a few weeks ago, and I have to say that the 700s are growing on me too. I just wish the seats had more padding in them.
General Motors Northern have said they’re meant to have more padding on them than the 700 seats and I can tell from pictures it does, however how much more is a different matter
MTW Gaming I think the current 156 seats used in the Northern Spirit refurb are good (they are the Richmond ones) and could probably do services up to an hour (like they do regularly on Liverpool-Manchester Oxford Road) however the First North Western ones (Chapman style seating) aren’t quite as good
As one of CAF's first British trains, and a 2019-spec train too, they finessed it. Great work
Will it at least be on time, not like those cattle vans you send with half the carriages to Handforth at 8 in the morning
Ironing board seats though.
Great Western HD They’re meant to be much more padded than those found on Desiro City’s and new-gen Electrostars
They are actually pretty comfy.
The old 377 seats are better then the new 377
Everyone hates the pacers but atleast they got you from point A to point B over the years
True that
Busmanpro YT i loved them 😂 kept me awake on my commute home atleast 5 times a week for a year until i got a motorbike
When we can expect it at Leeds-Nottingham route? Last time when i ride, stinky class 150/1 was in service there...
Stan ley no, your lucky. I have lincoln central. All we have here is 153,156, a small chance of 158's for east miss trains.142,144 for the northern route and the 222 that goes down to London. Anyways speaking about northern we only have pacers be happy you get a 158 and 150 since that's rare afff in lincoln
Voted worst railway line in UK - Licoln-Nottingham ;)
But when i must go by train do Nottingham or Sheffield i trying to catch EMT - refurbished class 158 is really nice. And usually 4 cars in set - so always some empty seats to choose. Northern rail has original 158's 2 car sets or sometimes 150/1 at this route. Is lower comfort, because of it's age - looks dirty, but ticket cost same money...
Could do with a bike storage on both sides and compared unfavourably with the older TPE units.
Seats were Okay and ride is very nice.
Ours was held for quite a delay just short of the west end of Arnside viaduct.
Air travellers moaning on a bit!!!
ATS magnets at fault?
Pacers still rattling up and down from Lancaster to Morecambe
AWESOMEEEEEE
A puff-piece by Northern, but I have no problem with that since these 331s HAVE to be better than the pacers they replace. However, I wouldn't make a virtue of the fact that they are being built outside of the UK. I didn't see any WCs in the video but will presume they've thought of that in the design. Also, a lovingly lingering shot on a UK power point fitted on a "one between two seats" basis is almost bound to lead to problems on crowded trains (try leaving Leeds between 5pm-7pm weekdays) and are at just the right level for a well placed vandal's boot. Even my local bus now provides USB charging points for every seat but I didn't see this in the new Northern stock - a missed opportunity? A positive is the inclusion of a loop for hard of hearing passengers.
After years of pacer trains these 331s are a breath of fresh air but sadly not the step change in design for which I'd hoped.
Hang on.. Northern is owned by Arriva? That explains all the Pacers then lol. But to be fair these trains look amazing and I hope to Travel on one soon. They should replace the sprinter's with this too.
Rail.TrainMaster alot of toc's are Arriva, the obvious one is Arriva trains Wales but there's Chiltern Railways, northern, cross country, grand central and Arriva Rail London which is basically London Overground. Also Arriva is DB, so basically most of our rail network is in the hands of the Germans.
Yes I knew the others beside overground? TFL? Ahem...
Yes Overground. Arriva operate it under contract to TfL.
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+Rail.TrainMaster HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Good one!
look so good i wana go on it pfet
Northern. Rep please
I can't wait! Will they be put on the leeds to york via Harrogate route? Thanks!
Hi there, glad you like them! Chester to Leeds (via Manchester) will be the first route to benefit from our fantastic new trains. But beyond this all routes have not yet been confirmed ^TW
Northern Railway wow! Thankyou for the quick reply! Can't wait for December!
Our pleasure! ^TW
It will be a class 170 on leeds-harrogate- york I believe.
Victor Ho a cool! Thanks!
Pity the 156s have to stay. hare these class 331s EMUs, DMUs or Bi-Mode
The 331s are electric, the almost identical 195s are diesel. The 156s will be refurbished up to the standard of the new trains
The rail enthusiast of today 195 is dmu and 331 is emu. No bi mode
No the 156s will be withdrawn
The 156s will remain in service. The only trains being withdrawn are the 142s, 144s, 153s, 321s and 322s
Alasdair Clift oh and 323s
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Why the yellow front?
Because its a requirement for British trains. What do you expect it to be?
It's no longer a requirement...
They probably tested liveries on the first drawings and decided yellow would suit it more, even though the new headlight regulations mean that trains with powerful-enough lights don’t need yellow.
I imagine it was to match the others in their fleet like the 150s, 155s, 156s, 158s, 170s and the 333s that all need them and will operate alongside them
Yeah
I like the new class 331
When are these trains coming? The Leeds to Sheffield line still have trains which look like allotment sheds on wheel. They're absolutely disgusting inside with ripped up stained seats. I have to put up with these knackered trains every day cos I work in Sheffield
Are these new trains coming to Newcastle or is the true North being left down again and Personally I love the pacers there is nothing like a pacer each pacer had its own character maybe you should keep some back just in case these new ones breakdown because even though they are old there where reliable or at least give some to preserved railways/museums because they did save the British Railway
The new trains are stunning, shame I live in the Southern region, we got our new stock 20 years ago or so. Some tables might be a nice addition though, especially if they’re used on longer routes.
Hi there. Tables will be fitted as the work is completed ^JB
The electrostars are still perfectly fine trains! It’s not like they were obsolete 10 years after introduction (as the Pacers were meant to be).
Alasdair Clift I'm not saying the Electrostars are bad, they're my favourite commuter trains ever made. It's just that they are nothing on the 4th generation stock currently being rolled out.
camjkerman There isn’t any 4th gen EMUs. And I’d say the Electrostars are probably much more comfortable than the 700s and Aventras since the Electrostars were ordered before the SRA and now the DfT started regulating everything the TOC does and specifying stupid requirements (like the ironing board seats) on all new train designs, so the Electrostars now have decent seats and are perfectly comfortable for both short and long distance
Alasdair Clift I refer to 4th generation as if the BR generation scheme had carried on. So 319s are Gen 2, 375s are Gen 3 and 700s are Gen 4. I agree with you on the seating though. Those Fainsa ones are awful.
I love trains, northern are great with trains.
You like bumpy buses? really?
Cool
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you there. Northern are currently the company responsible for services on the Windermere branch, serving Oxenholme Lake District to Windermere, and it's a complete shambles.
Archaic rolling stock and services regularly cancelled.
Visitors arriving here from China, Japan and Europe must feel they have entered a time warp.
What a disgraceful introduction to their holidays.
We are sick and tired of Northern's "cuando, cuando" protestations.Always jam tomorrow, whilst passengers using First Trans Pennine Express already have a fast, reliable electric service.
Meanwhile In London they are getting new 9 car electric trains. Train service is so bad for people who live up North...
Regrettably, Mr Burns, First Trans Pennine were not chosen to contineue to operate the Windermere branch, and through services to Manchester Airport.
I do not know who made that decision, but it was a terrible mistake both for local commuters and visitors alike.
If we still had FTPE we might have been getting something befitting for the Gateway to the Lakes. Their new bi-modes could do the job very nicely.
For everyone who complains about newer train seats. In my option, the worst seats are on the 185/350/380/450/444 etc as they feel like a rock
The worst seats are 385/ 700/ 345/ electrostars.
also the class 700 are rock hard but I still like them
Nintendo Fanboy plays roblox and more same. I really love them
Will these eventually run on the York to Bridlington route?
Northern, I like that you got new trains and all, but can you make sure that your 331 sets on the Liverpool lime street service doesn't block my shot of an ex-LNER Class 43 test train?
When will these trains be running and will they replace the sprinters as well as pacers?
These trains have been running since July 2019. They will allow for the cascade of Sprinter units in order to replace Pacers. The majority of 142 units have been withdrawn, with the only remaining units being used to allow for social distancing measures. Some 144s have also started to be withdrawn
Metrocentre ?
We need those new trains on the Barrow in Furness to Carlisle route which is a important route to get access to Inter City connections, also the Barrow in Furness to Lancaster route, and these routes can be unreliable through poor clapped out trains, and overcrowding, lack of rolling stock.
Mr Robinson.
Hi Michael. We haven't confirmed which routes the new trains will be running on at this stage, but the whole of the network will benefit from our fleet modernisation programme, with all our trains either being new or fully refurbished to as-new condition, withdrawal of our oldest trains including the Pacers and loco-hauled trains, and more trains available ^JB
Are northern going to get more 195s and 331s or add carriages to the fleet.
Guess the sound doesnt make me deaf on the other classes..
While a majority of "new trains" look absolute crap + I don't live up north, this definitely looks like a stepup from the Pacers and an improvement to the routes
Erm... they don't look crap?
@@CityWhisperer Hence me saying "a majority"
@@ben.taylor Did you just edit the main comment.
@@CityWhisperer Not just now, you'd know if you read it
These Look Like They Should Also Be In The South
This isn't related to the Civities, but about the 333s (which also applies to the HEX 332s). There are black marks on the ends of the trains that seem to be where the panels meet. Is this corrosion or something else? Other than that problem they're beautiful trains.
Those black lines are just because they were built in the old CAF factory from before they got higher end equipment and the tooling that was used meant the panel gaps had to be larger, so its supposed to look like that. Glad you like them though. I like them but not in the Northern livery, there was a concept a while back of one in Network Southeast livery and it was amazing.
Yeah I do like the later ones and the 333s, I think they're one of the best looking trains in the UK. I also think that they have a shape reminiscent of the Networkers. The picture you were thinking of was from Alternative Railways.
Should be made here!
The later units are built in Newport in Wales, that factory wasn't open in time to make them all however
Does thie mean pacers are going?! 😄😄 these trains are now my fav
TrainsInWhiltshire yes they are :)
After all this time I still havent been on one because of lockdown and stuff, they look so amazing much better than those buses.... I mean Pacers
What family of train is this is it a FLIRT or something else, just wondering
It’s part of the Civity series as they are built by CAF. Stadler Build the Flirts
Hi. Are you making Dore and Totley double track. It’s quite a bottleneck and are you refurbishing The Hope Valley and Brigg lines Stations? Darnall really needs that fix up.
Hi there, these would be Network Rail projects so you will need to speak to them regarding these works ^TW
Ok I’ll ask the Orange Army (Network Rail) on Sunday. They are closing The Hope Valley Line for engineering Works on the 18th.
They look great. Are these going to be used on the Hadfield to Manchester Piccadilly line?
That will continue to be the existing Class 323s, however they have been significantly refurbished to a much higher standard
@@agent_605 Thanks, yes I commute daily on the refurbished 323s. I had heard that they did some test runs with the 331 on the route during lockdown so I was hoping we'd get some nice new trains :) not that the 323s aren't a pleasure to ride on.
@@AmbiAnts589 I’ve seen some class 331’s while walking to Riverside to my local school which is in Macclesfield so I think they now operate between Stoke and Manchester
Where are the information screens then...
I think the routes are Leeds to Sheffield Sheffield to Scarborough Nottingham to Leeds Sheffield to Leeds Sheffield to Rotherham central
Don't think they'll be on those routes, that'll likely be 170s and refurbished 158s as the 195s are mainly for cross-Pennine 'Northern Connect' services like York-Blackpool North, Manchester Airport-Windermere, Chester-Leeds to name a few
While I'm sure the noise levels and ride quality will be superior to a Pacer, I'm disappointed that Northern have followed the trend for thin "ironing board" seats.
They're the type used on ScotRail which have much more padding than those used elsewhere so won't be anywhere near as bad
Yes, no more Pacers! These 331 trains look much better.
The 331 is replacing the 323 and 195 is replacing the pacers. So the 195 is better than pacers
You call 195’s better only because they’re replacing the Pacers??
This class 331 train 🚊 looks very nice 👌 and comfortable is much better than the crappy 142 and 144 pacer trains 🚂 🚂 🚊 🚊 🚆 🚆. The seats 💺💺💺💺 are cosy, comfortable, soft, nice 👌, trustworthy, good 👍, perfect 👍 🤩 😍, hopeful and finally great 👍. Of course there are 31 x 3 car class 331001-031 and 12 x 4 car class 331101-112 used for Northern Rail. Also there are 25 x 2 car class 195001-025 and 33 x 3 car class 195101-133 are also used for NT - Northern Rail as well and all accommodation is standard class only. It’s a no smoking 🚭 carriage. 👍👍👍
oh fuck not the emoji spammers
The 331s aren't the successors of the pacers
This is genuinely a kid
When will these new trains be on the Bradford Forster Square > Leeds and Ilkley services?
Hello James, the new trains do not have set routes at present, we will be running them on as many lines as we possibly can. ^VR
Will there be a guard on these trains?
What routes will these be on? Will. They operate out of lime street ?
Probably not Lime Street as we mainly will get refurbished 319s for electric services and don't really have any long distance routes operated by Northern from Lime Street, and the 195s are for longer distance Northern Connect services
Will be guard's on them
Hello, we are wanting to explore our staffing options on board and at our stations. ^LM
Northern Railway in other words no guards. Why cannot the tocs tell the truth and admit they are intending to introduce more DOO?
Turbostar Northern have promised to keep all Guards until the end of the franchise in 2025
In the video you can see the buttons ready for DOO th-cam.com/video/pjZ4M3_V_08/w-d-xo.html
DCO I believe. DOO in the back door though. There is another strike over this shortly.
Nobody can beat our humble pacers
We love our pacers but they have earned their retirement now.
Should be retiring the 158s too
Turbostar we should retire turbostars too
TheEnglishTrainSpotter2018 I agree they are falling apart. Trains are not built to last now. A classic example is the iep. I can’t see them lasting as long as the Hsts.
Turbostar The 158s, when refurbished, are great trains. I was up on one on the Far North last year and was almost like new with free WiFi, USB sockets, comfortable seating and even a trolley service. They don’t need replacing yet, especially not the 170s
Well, from this clip it looks as though they still have not got the seating right. I'll thought out seat spacings with a failure to ensure that all seating corresponds to a window. Additionally, the poor quality of seating we have come to expect on our modern railways in the UK. The usual rigid framework with very thin cushions for the seat itself. Numb or sore bottoms will be the order of the day with these trains.
The seats use the Fainsa style seating used on ScotRail 156s and 385s, which has much more padding than the Quantum ones used on the 700s, 387s etc
Northern!!!
Do you like new trains or old trains?
AND THAT'S A GREAT JOB
New trains, always ;) ^JB
Airplane Plus Train Guy yep. He is right
Old and new!
they look great. Shame yet another train company felt the need to buy from overseas rather than British!
The reason Northern bought from CAF is because both Hitachi and Newton Aycliffe and Bombardier at Litchurch Lane were both full with orders, with Hitachi still needing to complete the 800s and 801s for VTEC/LNER, and the 802s for GWR, TPE, and Hull Trains. Bombardier however need to finish the 345s for TfL Rail/Crossrail, as well as the 710s for London Overground, the 701s for South Western Railway, the 711s for c2c, the 720s for Greater Anglia and the 730s for LNWR and WMR
Looks like 195s
When will theses be on the Harrogate line???
Hello Ben, we do not have any more route information at present, this will change once we have more of the new trains in stock. ^VR
What is the unit number of the Class 331 on the video? 331???
This is still be to be finalised. ^LM
Transportation UK it's 331 in the title you dumbass
Cool
331027 is it
Will they be put on the Manchester-Liverpool route? The 323's are horrible and the 319's aren't much better and older
Hello there, the new trains will cover as much of our network as they possibly can, they do not have set routes. ^VR
Bibb Bbvccc The 323s IMO are quite nice, especially if given a good refurb and could potentially run 6 car services on the route (platforms aren’t long enough for 8 car 319s). The 319s are slow and horrible and take ages to accelerate
Will first class be fitted on the train?
Golden Grenade No, as Northern don’t need First Class
Are theses comeing to Scarborough
Hi there, unfortunately beyond the initial routes nothing has been confirmed at this time but as soon as the information is available we will post this to our feed As well as our new trains we are also refurbishing the rest of our fleet and investing more than £35m in modernising our stations, so all routes will see improvements ^TW
ok thank let me know
We'll keep you posted! :-) ^TW
What about the Calder valley line will they operate
Could you put these on the Sheffield - Leeds, Sheffield - Huddersfield and Castleford (?) - Sheffield? All I get running through my Local station are your pacers.
Hi there. I'm afraid we aren't able to confirm which routes the new trains will be running on at the moment, other than the first two routes they will be running on - Leeds-Chester and Manchester Airport-Blackpool North ^JB
expect to only see these shiny new trains on profitable routes, the rest of us will have the clapped out 40+ year old referbs
Les Bowring You will get heavily refurbished Sprinters to a similar standard of the modern trains. And they’re only just turning 30, trains often last till they’re 50
the train itself looks fine but the seats appear to be aweful narrow...
Are these going to work on the Cambrian coast line?
Whether you mean the Cumbrian coast or not, I don't know
Since this is Northern, it's the Cumbrian Coast. If it was the Cambrian Coast, u would be talking about TfW
You should add the class 387 and 377 and the class 378
They no longer meet modern safety regulations and there isn’t really anywhere to use them as only small areas are electrified and are either getting new or refurbished trains already
OH HELL NO!
1. There is no line with a max speed of 110 mph to run class 387s.
2. Rarely any line is electrified.
3.The class 378 is meant to run on electric tracks not overhead wires so where in coranation will we get the money for this?
C I V I T Y !
considering northern have only ordered 43 complete train sets and the sizes of northerns network they will be a rare site. i suggest you put one of the new full train sets on every route. are northern going to order anymore new trains
Hi Mark. We have 98 trains on order - 55 diesel, 43 electric. We have options for potential further carriages. We are also acquiring many trains from other operators, all of which will be refurbished to as-new condition along with most of the rest of our fleet (excluding those trains that will be withdrawn) ^JB
Will you be refurbishing the 333's? If so when?
Hi there, our Class 333 units will be getting refurbished by 2020 ^TW
add the class 730
Although the 331 is brilliant, please for the love of god fix the 195. The pacers were brilliant compared to them
The trains r rlly nice better than the pacers lol 😂
Will there be more 331s or 195s?
195s for the 150 and pacer. 331 for the 322 and 319s
they look like good trains but...
MORE IRONING BOARD SEATS
Still not in NE England tho....
Do they run on electricity or are they diesel powered?
Hi Matthew. We are building 55 diesel and 43 electric trains ^JB
Will the entire network get them, or just part of it?
The current plans are being drawn up for which routes they will run on. The confirmed routes so far are Leeds-Chester, Manchester Airport-Blackpool North, and Manchester Airport-Windermere ^JB
Well, I have to say that they look amazing, and I look forward to travelling on them if they run on my local routes.
We look forward to having you on board :) ^JB
Wish we could have these trains down south (Southwestern Railway), instead of the new 707's....and soon the even newer 701's . Both have awful 'ironing board' seats.
SWR want to replace the 707's ( only introduced three years ago....just before South West Trains or SWT lost the franchise to SWR).
These new trains for Northern look so much better, and the seats actually look comfortable! 🙄
Ugh. More ironing board seats
QuarioQuario54321 better than the class 700
MARIO SONIC no. The pacers have hard and rocky seats. Those new class 195s that replace the pacers have comfy seats.
ND78S No need to be rude now. They look to use the ScotRail style seating used on their 156s and 385s, which have much more padding and have had much less complaints
Alasdair Clift true. And can you tell him to stop following me around when I comment or reply
As Ghandi once said, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Just because someone does it to you doesn't mean you do it back
Long Live The Pacers
Down With Class 331
Trek001 Down with the pacers. 30 years old, and 30 years too long. Anything is better than a Pacer
The pacers are being retired from service, sorry @Trek001 ^TW
Alasdair Clift They are being retired from service as our new trains enter service ^TW
Agreed but so should the 158s etc be retired they are not exactly adequate for todays ever increasing passenger flow. And these new units do not exactly cater for growth. They should have all been 4 car. It was a shame that the 185s were not built as 4 car too.
Turbostar The 195s and 331s are likely to be extended soon if the DfT allow them to be. The 158s are fine and with a simple refresh work fine for the routes they operate
finally money is being spent where its needed