The Railway Review To The Class 195 & 331 'Civity'
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ธ.ค. 2023
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Ay up, me duck! It's Northern time again! So take care to avoid any cracks and make sure it's really off peak lest you get chucked off at Salford Crescent and let's see how these two...interesting trains are like!
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It was either this song or Megalovania. Also it was fun rewatching that video to find the easiest bit to censor lol. Hopefully this'll teach some of you to behave. Oh who am I kidding. Anyway, you know the drill. A millets suit, a greggs gift voucher and a Northern Rail penalty fare ticket for whomever guess the stations filmed at.
Going to beat mister 317Dan to the punch here (lmao):
-Stockport
-Warrington West
-Broad Green
-Adwick South Yorks
-Smethwick Galton Bridge
-Manchester Oxford Road
-Leyland
-Cross Gates
-Doncaster
-Smethwick Galton Bridge (Again)
-Wakefield Westgate
-Hazel Grove
-Earlestown (My condolences you had to go there)
-Lancaster
-Lille Flandres
-Wigan Wallgate
-Manchester Oxford Road (Again)
-Warrington Central
-I'm honestly not sure what this one is, damm
-Harling Road
-Todmorden
-Manchester Airport
-Preston
-Bolton
-Gatley
-Menston
-Roby
-And Rochdale
Aww, I would have enjoyed Megalovania
@@kieranstravels I'll give you credit for beating him, but 2 of them were sadly incorrect! The ones you missed were Eaglescliffe and Westerfield not Harling Road. A valiant effort though! :)
@@MaverickHunterDaniel I was thinking that was somewhere closer to York - You threw me off with that one!
if i recal correctly this is the first time diesel and electric trains were reviewed together
not including the IETs as they are bi-modal
Correct you are!
speed hacking power enabled
Haha loved this. Have to admit though, I don't find the ironing boards as insufferable as most. I greatly prefer them in these to whats in the 156s as their seats are annoyingly low to the ground and, as a tall person - I'd rather have a higher up seat with higher up armrests that happens to be very firm than sitting low down to the floor with my arms not being able to find a comfortable spot on a well cushioned (ish) seat.
As a northerner, my expectations on rolling stock are clearly very low - all I want is air conditioning and well quiet (on the inside) trains on my miserable sprinter-dominated local line😭
I remember the 153s and 156s having low seats which I found quite annoying too, so I know what you mean at least.
Having to ride the spanish plastic several times i always question why i still do this all the time
I'm so sorry for your predicament :(
quick opinion on 197 : you will not get a seat on your train and you will curse tfw for not buying bigger trains for it's busiest routes
I was waiting a long time for this one... Keep up the great work!
Many thanks.
Not been on a 195/331 unfortunately (despite having been to the north, I have only been on a Virgin Pendolino, LNER Azuma, TPE Nova 1, Manchester Metrolink and Tyne & Wear Metro up there lol). The closest to a 195 I've been on is the class 196 at WMR sometime back in September 2023. I thought they were alright tbh - certainly the seats weren't too much of an ironing board. My favourite thing about the 196s (which is true of the 195 too) was the bus like sound on acceleration, due to the ZF Ecolife gearbox.
That said, strangely there are no 195s up in Geordieland (where I went last summer - best place in the UK but that's a topic for another discussion). Northern only seem to use 156s and 158s up there...
Finally another railway review!
Another quality upload my good sir.
Many thanks.
Another episode in your fantastic series of Railway Review videos 🤣🤣👍👍👍
Thanks, I'm glad you could enjoy :)
Great video! I think it would've been good to also rant about the 331 East/West swap as all units didn't arrive in the right places in time for the timetable change thanks to the units and the Class 37 locos!
Thanks, I didn't go over that since I was only aware during the end of editing of this video, so I didn't want to redo the script for someone I wasn't fully aware about.
@MaverickHunterDaniel Of course, don't worry about it!
Deffo a very accurate review of them to be fair.
I like them a lot, but mostly because a lot of my journeys would have been 142s before these, and they run alongside the horrible 150s most of the time too. However, a 323 will always be better to me, and the 319s are sadly dying as they too were better for me than these.
So it's kinda like how if the only food you've eaten is microwave chips then anything else seems edible? :D
Don't forget Northern are still due their 450 new trains to replace the Sprinters.
Maybe they should look around for stuff in Ely and Long Marston.
That look cool
Wake up everyone, maverick hunter daniel posted
I want Greggs now, thanks Daniel lmao
I could do with some Greggs too honestly.
I've travelled on the 331s between Manchester and crewe and I don't mind the seats they aren't the best but I find them comfortable better than the 323s but can be improved
Honestly the NR 323 seats aren't that nice either, but they have the excuse of being refurbished, whereas the 195 and 331 are brand new trains.
Lol, 331 defo a speedhacker, 195 looks like a bus but its more like a train tho
Also we have trains from CAF called the LRTA 13000 class, which it has a door sounds (stolen from the 195/331), but it been slapped with Japanese traction, but it doesn't mean it has no problem (the door sounds are starting to die, interlock lights still lits when doors closed but fixes itself and there was a waterleak issue which its been fixed)
Cant
Avoid
Fractures
Quality 1.95/10
Sensible chuckle material.
@@MaverickHunterDanielHeard "Cheap and Fucked", "Cheap as Fuck" and "Call a Fitter" too
Oh no
He’s back
Time to lose 10 minutes rolling on the floor laughing
4:38 I didn't expected to see my local station in the video, as well as my favorite train (French here btw)
A win for my psychic powers once again. Also I have some...unfun memories at Lille, specifically Lille Europe station.
I feel like the coaches on the 195 is similar to the 197 (ik they are from the same family
The real question is what is your thoughts on the Engine/Motor sound of these?
I like how both units sound :).
They sound better than literally any train that's been built in the last 10 years . Esspecially the 331s
the norf can never not suffer
Sadly not.
Can you do railway review to mars bars
Ewww, I don't like mars bars. Give me a Dairy Milk or a Milky Bar then we'll start talking...
@@MaverickHunterDaniel What about crunchie bars 😂😂😂
What is all that lower bodyside curvature for? It cuts into the space at floor level.
How big is the gap at concave platforms?
I'd imagine no worse than the likes of the Aventra.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel
City Beam and whatever they run on Thameslink are rock bottom.
Doorways need to be close to the bogies or there will be a hell of a gap at concave platforms. The 195 have three window bays outside of the doorways which is simply wrong, unless retractable steps are fitted. 23 metre vehicles are problematic in Britain. 20 metres gives you a go-anywhere vehicle. The mark 3 stock needed changes to the infrastructure to make it fit.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel
The GA trains have only two windows outside of the doorways so less of a gap. The Elizabeth Line trains have three doorways but the stations have straight platforms. It's all about the geometry of the vehicles and the track. Rolling stock designers ought to know this. Whoever did the class 158 at the British Rail Technical Centre knew how to avoid platform gaps, but they had a competent team, now long retired.
as a northerner, this wasnt even bias lol. its facts
Glad I could get some northern approval.
Bulit by the same people who bulit the Midland Metro trams which totally haven’t been withdrawn several times due to cracks
A fact brought to you in cooperation of the not-at-all-bankrupt Birmingham City Council.
real quick, what text to speach do u use
Hi umm were you at Brent Cross west on thameslink on the opening day
Brent Cross West opened? When?
@@MaverickHunterDanielSunday
Oh nice. Well I wasn't there.
6:41 they're the same seats we poor Thameslink users have to suffer on our Class 700s, what else did you expect 😂
part of the governments plan to drive passengers to coach services which are much more comfotable
The real conspiracies at work.
But most people decide to drive instead ... FAIL! (4 words: buses take too long!)
8:20 what overhead live wires
It's an Electro Diesel, so it can run with or without overhead wires.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel ah
You should make a railway review for the Class 745/755!
Well I WANT to, but I can't afford to go to Norwich at the moment. As in, it's too expensive.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel I have many clips of 745's if u want I go to Norwich a lot cause I have family there
@@TheManCityLad I do appreciate your offer but it's also a case of needing to ride them some more before I'm ready to review them. Thanks for the offer at least :)
@@MaverickHunterDaniel obviously you don't take requests so I will not tell you what to do, but just to say, if you book an advance and have a 16-25 railcard like myself, Greater Anglia can have a lot of cheap fares from London all the way to Norwich!
Example: I once only paid £13 for a one way ticket from Norwich to London
What do you think of the class 156
Flashbacks to 2 car Cardiff to portsmouth services 😮
Flashbacks to them going to skegness ... PAIN
the 331 acceleration is so fast to the point i once fell over leaving Buckshaw Parkway
Guess the speed was too much to handle.
Oh yeah quick not that on rare occasions class 331/1s will occasionally run intercity from Liverpool to Blackpool North because lol
Apparently the 331/1s are being sent over to Allerton.
Yeah as I suspected
RAilwAy ReviEW tO thE cLasS 73
How about ‘railway review to the wickham trolley’
@@andrewreynolds4949 Railway Review to the bin bag blowing in the wind over there
The Railway Review to the $599USD that everyone making this joke will be donating to me. Anyone? :)
@@MaverickHunterDaniel All I can contribute is ad revenue
Whoo
Only been on a 331 between Manchester Piccadilly and Manchester Airport
Yeah, miserable is definitely the best way to describe them, because it broke at Manchester Airport, and I ended up on a 197 back to Piccadilly 😂
Awww what a shame.
If the ckass 331 got better suspension it would be perfect
And if it was built properly, had better seats, better window alignment, better interior design, an extra toilet and all had 4 coaches too.
What about the 397?
Oh, there's this thing call a Bank Account, and it has this slight influence on what trains I can ride and get film of. The 397 will come along once that issue becomes less of a factor.
@@MaverickHunterDanielHe meant as in, you didn't mention it when mentioning the other Civity units
@@Danse_Macabre_125 I was perfectly aware of that, but I'm fed up of having pedantic comments. The title, thumbnail and even what I said in that segment already implied the 397s weren't going to be in this video, so what else can I do?
158
Ok but when the mark 5a
*Right behind you.*
Behind (or in front of) a TPE 68
Withdrawn due to fractures
Bro is using speed hacks 💀
also Wales deserved better trains than the class 197 given how long the Manchester to south Wales routes are and the quality of the class 158 and 175 which the 197s replaced
I am not looking forward to riding the 197s.
wouldve been nice if they stuck with stadler but oh well
@@MaverickHunterDanielgood luck on that. Whenever I go on one it’s almost impossible to get a seat
@@MaverickHunterDanielthey’re essentially 195s with gangways, better seats and galleys
@@JustClickApprove92 the 197 seats are the uncomfortable seats that are seen on the iets
As someone who's local to both of these (And we're even getting the Leeds units to replace 319s, oh no), I personally have very mixed feelings on these.
The 195s are at least better then the 3+2 150s we otherwise get on our services, but they're also a far cry comfort wise from the 185s/156s/158s that also run this line - But even still, They've since added slightly more padding to the seats on the 195s in particular, which combined with the fact the cushions have been worn in quite a lot, It makes them a lot more bareable. I think I like the 195s, but not entirely sure on the 331s.
Yeah, I was so bloody confused as to why I saw a 331/1 running a Liverpool to Manchester Airport service during my research last night until Major Wales brought me up to speed. I thought it got lost. I was about to say "Why are NR extending the platforms on the Airedrie to 6 cars. 4+4=8 you muppets."
And yes, the 3+2 150s are abysmal. I rode one from Sheffield to Wakefield and my friend can vouch for how much I was complaining all the way.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel You know what's even worse? The Liverpool to Blackpool express services are going from 4 coaches.. to 3. Wigan services as well, both are getting 323 allocations where 319 allocations once were.
Blackpool services are going to be complete and utter misary in summer 2024.
@@kieranstravels also the class 323s were built for Birmingham commuter services so the interiors would be terrible for those services
@@kieranstravels Oh dear indeed. Not like I can afford to go to Blackpool or anywhere thanks to the new ticket prices.
@@networkerfan To be fair, are 319s really that much more suited to blackpool services though?
Northern Ireland does not need money for the railway
Can u do a 165/166 review
A: he has
B: he made it quite clear there should be no requests
@@alfiehnotts that was the joke…
It's not a good joke if your goal was to make me laugh. At least if you said "the railway review to the Beats by Dr Dre" I could see an attempt at humour more clearly. 1/10 please try harder.
As a northerner, the 195s were a welcome replacement for the pacers. However, I agree that they are still FUCKING MISERABLE to travel on. One example in my case are, on a trip to Nottingham from Sheffield, two of the units both had their toilets out of order.
But that's not the only problem, another one is that the ride quality is godawful, not as bad as a pacer, but these are the complete opposite, the pacers bounced and threw you around the train, the 195s (And I presume this is the same for the 331s) are such a harsh and crashy ride it feels like the pacers that were scrapped are haunting the 195s.
The ironing board seats make me want to jump through the window that is not lined up with the seat (For fucks sake, is it really that difficult?) the trains are step entrance which means if you're a shortarse or have issues with steps or you're in a wheelchair, good fucking luck because the fact that a train built in 2019 has to have a separate ramp for wheelchair access is just ridiculous.
The vestibules aren't separated from the saloon which annoys me, yes I get these are commuter trains but come on, it's just nicer imo.
The excessive step distance is due to putting the doors too far from the ends of the vehicles. The doors should be as close as possible to the bogie centres, as on the class 158. Designers of modern trains are clueless.
I’m back to say..
Class 139 next…
These are really quite awful trains - I use the 196s and 197s regularly and, whilst they're better than the 195s, they've taken journeys I used to savour and turned them into ones that make me relieved to get off the train.
Oh, the Electoral Commission shows that CAF have donated £175,000 to the Conservative Party over the past 6 years, and have subsequently won contracts that the Government has some control over (i.e., every contract these days!). Whilst the first of their donations (£50,000 in 2018) was made after the Civities were ordered, this nonetheless stinks so much I'm not sure I can trust that the 195s/331s were ordered purely to be the best trains for their passengers.
HAHAHA, my goodness that explains so much! Of course CAF are bankrolling the tories, why didn't I think of that before. Also many condolences to your Civity suffering. I'll never forgive TFW binning their 175s so suddenly.
first video ive seen by you. i dont get it, you start with your voice then use some crappy text to speech kinda sad
Not that I fault you or anything , but these videos are inspired by the Unicum guides that Sliphantom made for World of Tanks, which uses the same TTS and pink thumbnails. If I used my own voice, for the whole video it wouldn't be a Unicum guide.
Don't do the 150/153 you will regret it, absolute awful ride quality!
Already rode a handful of them I'm afraid.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel My appologies for you having to suffer what us slum foke do in the north, I wouldn't wish a 150 ride on my worst enemy!
@@YorksLancsTransportHubwe had them here in london too! was so glad when they go rid of them lmao