The FIRST DDR4 8 Core (i7-5960x) Vs. The Last (Ryzen 7 5800X3D)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2023
- in 2014, Intel launched the First DDR4 Desktop Consumer CPU, and they definitely charged for it, at a whopping $1000 US, this CPU featured also 8 Cores 16 Threads, and the AVX2 instruction set. The Ryzen 7 5800X3D however, released in 2022 was the last dedicated DDR4 8 Core, though in 2014, Intel launched the First 8 Core 16 Thread DDR4 CPU, the i7-5960X, and all these years later, how do the two compare in games? Let's test at 1080p low, 1440p high and 4K ultra with the RTX 4090 to get the full picture.
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In Taiwan now. Already completed a successful used parts hunt thanks to marco! Let us know in the comments what kind of cpus you want tested.
can you buy loose 2GB ddr6 chips easily over there to mod into 8gb cards? or even non working 3060ti to salvage memory
I'd love to see a comparison of the 5820K against the other 6 core Ryzens, 1600/1600X/2600/2600X/3500/3600/3600X/5500
try 7900x, smt off, curve optimizer -20(-30),pbo144watt VS 5800x3d-7800x3d.The results will surprise you
If you find an i7 5960X in batch "J" take it, frankly in OC they are much better it will have nothing to do with only 4.2 GHz.
I would have lent you mine so much it's worth it and it's cool to test.
If you could reach 4.5 GHz minimum with DDR4 3200 MHz you would see the gap.
Thank you again for your videos Brian, you are without doubt the hardware youtuber I prefer to watch from afar. In France we only have mediocrity at this level!
Hard to pick a good chip battle that actually shows major uplift, I7 860 vs I7 6700k, against present day 4 core champion. 2009 - 2023 4 core battle royal. Have fun over there in Taiwan, I know you will grab the good deals.
This is why even I updated to AM4 when Ryzen 3000 came out, I never sold my 5820k X99 platform, it still delivers great performance to this day, nowdays I mostly use it as a PCIe device driver, and since Xeon's are insanely cheap now with 40 PCIe lanes, its a no brainer in that part too, Im just waiting for those crazy 22 core Xeons to go lower to later upgrade my X99 for encoding and video feed manager. X99's is truly Intel's best platform in the last decade.
Still running mine as well
I really like x99, I'm running x299 though which I also think is one of Intel's best. Got a 7980xe, still an absolute monster. The most important part for me is the pcie lanes and the features available on the motherboards. I was able to get a motherboard released for 10th gen x299 so it's got all the new features of current motherboards today.
Same I got a X299 and 10980xe used and it’s a brilliant platform - lots of pcie lanes for my SSD’s, thunderbolt, 10gbit, and it can take 256GB ram.
I want to upgrade my x99 system, what xeon CPUs are best for gaming?
@@oscarcharliezulu Isn't the 10980xe a $700 used cpu? How do you justify it when it get trashed by a $150 Ryzen 5600?
I almost thought this was a reupload! Scared me for a second. I should make sure to read the title!
I hear that, that thumbnail had me going for a second. Then I realized there was a new supply of Tech Yes City Sugar!!
I got my X370 board for free. Makes an AM4 CPU a no brainer
Big W
Nice. Congrats!
This is it, this is peak absolute great value for performance
@@anasevi9456 i got it from my brother when he upgraded. Lmao
@@MarcoGPUtuber So he got the superior Intel platform :)
CPUs tend to last a lot longer than GPUs do. Hence why you can still be using a 5960x or similar, but like a 780ti would be struggling hard currently. Thats why investing in a beefy CPU when new upgrades come around is worth it.
100% still rocking a 9900k I picked up when the price dropped to 299, no interest in upgrading yet using a 6900xt
I would agree most of the time, except for the Nvidia 10 series. God damn that generation was so good it's still perfectly viable today. My 1070 ti kicks ass.
Edit: but yeah spending money on the high end GPUs is not worth it since each generations high end GPUs completely destroy the previous one. It makes such more sense to get a mid range GPU and just upgrade more often.
@@Defy_Convention Stock or OC?
@@greggreg2458 still at stock speed
@@Defy_ConventionStill rocking 4930k 6 core at 4.5ghz, getting bottlenecked to hell.
You can undervolt a 5800x3D to where it’s a 50 watt part with the same performance, so keep that in mind
im still impressed with the haswell E monster , proudly still use it to test all my top gpus i use , 1080ti being my best gpu the 5960x still serves me well
Yeah it's solid. The one I bought must of had a tough life. As it was capping at 4.2ghz at 1.3ish
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Same 😊 I also still use i7 5960X with GTX 1080Ti Lightning Z....this Monster can do 4.3ghz with 1.23volt on MSI X99A SLI Krait, cooled by NH-D15.
Same. I have a Core-i7 6900k with a 1080ti and it’s a great combo. Runs all the games I’ve thrown at it perfectly fine.
Keep in mind that the 6900k is a very poor value despite being a very powerful CPU. There are better options for the price to be honest. I tried overclocking it and it doesn’t do well. I could only get it to 4.00 GHz and I really didn’t see much change in performance and the heat that CPU gives off was insane. Liquid cooling is a must. With 140w TDP stock, it’s already a power hungry and hot CPU that needs a beefy cooler. I did have a BeQuiet cooler on it and it did well, but overclocking it proved a bit much for it. It would hover around 65 degrees C at max load. I ended up switching to a Cooler Master liquid cooler which really helped to bring the temps down. The amount of heat coming off the radiators is impressive. Not a power efficient CPU by any means, but extremely powerful for sure.
Nice, thanks for doing this. Other reviewers don't provide enough context for upgrading between current and 3-5 gens behind
Thanks for the 5820k and 5960x content. Exactly what I was curious about. How they compare today. Looking forward to that old school Xeon content that made me start listening to you.
I really truly enjoy those kind of episodes, it gives you such a good perspective where we was, where we are and where we are going. Thank you very much, you are awesome. I really enjoy your channel.
Loving the first and last comparison videos !!
Love the content here, and especially your dedication to teaching people about where to find value. I found a working X99 Sabretooth with an I7-5820k for $100, and grabbed it as my back up / playing around with rig. I wouldn't have known about it without your guidance. Thanks!
Tech Yes city always bring that content we love. Awesome work!
I really love this kind of content, I went from a 6800K to a 12600K. The 6800 was still quite capable just not suited to the high refresh gaming I’d moved onto. Built a killer 1080p rig for a buddy with it and the motherboard is still light years better than anything today I wouldn’t be spending more than 600$ on. Any plans to do something similar with broadwell-e?
Really cool that you do videos like this one! I remember when I had the i7 5960X, I ran the memory at 3200C15.
I'm still running it right now. Thing still handles everything I throw at it. I have an opportunity to upgrade to a 5800x3d setup for cheap atm. This video really puts things into perspective.
Man, I love HEDT CPUs, they used to bring so much to the market, and if you want to build some cool different stuff, old HEDT CPUs offer absolutely insane value.
Damn man, I was just going to check out and play a game on my 5800X3D, and 6900XT. Had to change my plans. Thanks for this.
would be a great finding a combo kit since you also get quad channel memory and X16 SLI vs dual channel and X8 SLI from regular MOBOs.
again, loving the classic content! two thoughts:
1. Really wish more peeps would incorporate some turn time tests or 4x games. Factorio, Civ 6, Total Warhammer 3, Stellaris, etc.
2. What is the best way to bench these against each other? It is fair that the 5800x3d can use faster ram, but doing so also kinda makes it not apples to apples and masks ipc increases. Maybe using the fastest possible ram for one test, and then clocking it down to whatever the classic cpu can do would be good? I understand if it is too much work tho.
I would have liked to see lower cost 8 cores like you did with the six cores, 5700X or 5800X. The 5800X 3d is a bit special when it comes to CPUs so seeing the intel core against some of the others would have been interesting.
Who cares though?
You buy a 5800X3D to build a gaming system, and it sells better than any other Zen 3 8 core part, which means there's a sizable audience that knows what it's for and pay the extra $100 USD.
The other issue is actually purchasing a system, not just a CPU. Most Intel MBs on the used market, when they're a high end board cost a lot of money. I can go to Micro Center and buy X570S and have USB3.2 gen2x2 and 3 NVMe drives all running PCIe gen4 for around $100 USD if I buy open box.
If I want to build cheap I'm getting a 6 core part, where the 5500 can often be found in the US for around $85 USD. I'm not going to spend $200 for a CPU for an older platform. Maybe if the 5700X gets down to $160?
The 5700x is still a great upgrade for someone on an older zen cpu on AM4. I dropped in a 5700x on my cheap B550 motherboard I bought in 2020, and my 1% lows and average fps went up. But if I were to build a pc from scratch nowadays, I would definitely hop on AM5 since its coming down in price and will have better longevity
nice video! my 5960x i got to 4.5ghz @ 1.3v with a 280mm AIO, but looking forward going to AM5 for those better lows
That was a CRAZY deal on that x99 set up. I am curious to see how the Xeon counterparts fair in 6-8-and 10 core flavors fair against their i7 counterparts. How many games have improved performance on 8cores @ 4Ghz vs 10cores @3.5? What is the cost comparison? If you need a workstation AND a gaming PC, should you consider a 10 or 12 core Xeon maybe with a turbo unlock?
My 5820K system is still going strong along with it's 1080ti. That's been such a great combination and has served me very well and still does. Conservatively keep it clocked it to 4GHz to keep the heat and power consumption down and it's never missed a beat.
With Haswell-E processors you need to get the later J-Batch versions if you want to do any big time overclocking.
I am still using a 5820K@4.3 Ghz in my backup rig. Sips a lot of energy, but is still fast enough for most games. It took a big performance hit when the Spectre and Meltdown mitigations came out though.
Still rocking the I7-5820k. Purchased day one when it released. Couldn't be happier with it's longevity
It would be cool to also see the last of DDR4 vs the first of DDR5
What was the motherboard platform for this comparison? the 5960x is x99, but for the 5800x3d? x570 platform is pciex4.0(x570, b550) vs pciex3.0 (x99). basically my question is for the x99 was pciex3.0 and for the amd was pcie4.0? and that small of a difference in 2k and 4k gaming between the two cpus (and pciex version)? - meaning really small. thx
Bryan can you compare xeon e5 1660 V3 vs ryzen 5800x. Thanks
Can definitely look at more xeons.
Hi Bryan if it worth it to upgrade my i7 5930k to xeon 2690 v3? Kind Regards
Yep! 🙂Like before, older HEDT CPUs are underrated and overlooked. The very same story had already happened with the older LGA1366 Intel 6c/12t Xeons X5600 and W3600 CPUs (I used and OC'ed them for years). These LGA2011-3 5900X CPUs (far better than the old Xeons) can too be very easily OC'ed over 4.3Ghz, and are then very competitive today. At a point where these (once expensive) CPUs and X99 motherboards are now priced at a fraction of the equivalent modern new stuff, they become ideal for a budget build. Yet no one talks about it. I wish more people understood it and more YTB channels focused on this. A practical case where affordable and slightly older is a smart choice, and it's widely available (EBAY and etc). 👍Nice video!
I am loving this series.
Always loved my 5960x. Stable, low voltage 4.3ghz OC worked great!
This is a cool comparison. Friend of mine might still try to claim his FX8350 was an 8 core...
My FX8350 and FX8370 each have 8 CPU cores, 4 FPU cores. All 8 CPU cores can be computing things at the same time.
Sure, each core was weaker than an Intel core. Sure, the FPU was weaker than an Intel FPU.
Still had them.
Also, only ddr3... So can't compete in the "8 core ddr4" roundup.
Ray Harrison is your friend?
i just started watching the video but i must say awesome comparison
my 5820k served me well for a while. i was using it when the 5k series first came out,and when i seen how much power i can save going with amd and more fps, bye intel. i even had the old fx series amd chipset too. loving the cpu market right now. oh and im still using the ekwb predator 240..the damn pump is is a champ in this water cooler
A big part of why the 5960X can be had for such a reasonable price of ~$50 is because they have basically been swapped in the secondhand market for some of the monster core (18-22) Xeons that are available to the platform, with even some 12-14 core variants as low as $20. I'm sure there are plenty of longtime X99 owners who have moved on to such CPUs and now have their former primary rig working as a server. Kind of a rare situation, because the 5960X is still very much a flagship CPU for the platform in terms of everyday-computing/gaming due to the Broadwell "upgrades" (6900X/6950X) being something of a victim to Intel's early 14nm growing pains.
At their original MSRPs, the 5820K was certainly a winner due to being a $400 part, with the 5960X being a $1000 part, but for ~$30 vs ~$50 these days, the extra cache (15MB vs 20MB), extra cores (6 vs 8), and extra PCI-e 3.0 lanes (28 vs 40), the +$20 is probably worth it for anyone looking to get into X99 (granted, for anyone bargain hunting, there's an excellent chance you will find an X99 board with a 5820K thrown in)
Hey, would u say the i7 7820x is still good for gaming ?
It would be cool to see a video on how this compares to more modern but lower end systems like an i3-12100, i3-10100, 4500, or 5500 as realistically those would be cross shopped more than the 5800X3D.
Still not sure why we havent heard anything about the quad channel memory on x99? It could be a big boost on the opd 8 core.
This was Intel's last legendary lineup, the X99 and its processors. I had a few of the same mobo you showed here, the Asrock X99 Extreme for workstation, main system and server, rock solid, stable boards providing 40 pcie lanes and 8x ram slots with the best components for what I recall paid €300 euros a pop inc. VAT. I'm pretty sure they will STILL last a lot longer than most newer mobos, as they had top notch Nichicon capicators, vrms and other switches and power regulators.
There is an interesting Xeon for this platform that is the last overclockable one, a 6c/16t from out of my head. I never had a single crash with 8x16gb ecc ram with years of continuous operation as a server, what a great platform that was. It's still worth to get it today for this insane low price if you're willing to wait for cheap >= 20c xeons to pop the market soon. Those mobo's will eventually sell out and skyrocket in price, as they did with previous platform's insane cheap xeon builds on the second hand market, so if you decide to go this route, get some of those boards in stock before it's too late.
This video proves how important it is to pay for a proper mobo and cpu initially to get the most of your money (i.e. least amount of writeoffs/year as you can still use it today vs gpu's that get obsolete much faster, hence higher writeoffs, so for gpu's it makes more sense to buy best bang for buck mid(-high) end and upgrade sooner to keep writeoffs for gpus limited, as from decades of experience, they always had the highest.
For builds today, I'd def recommended the 5800x3d, I bought this one too and is totally worth the money it's priced at, $300, good performance at incredible perf/W when you decide to give all core a -30 uv (lower power consumption AND more performance, as it will boost to max clock all the time) and couple it with a Scythe Ninja 5 + Arctic F12 fan (better performance than overpriced Noctua and quite a lot cheaper, hell, you even can use it as a passive heatsink whereas with the competition you cannot). For gpu's, I'm skipping this generation. If you really need a gpu, look for previous 6000 amd before they will sell out. I wouldn't pay more than $400 and that would be for the 6800 (xt) brand new or barely used on 2nd hand market, otherwise it's waiting for 3nm gpu's which will be most likely the better upgrade of the decade for gpu's. Yes, it's that long time ago where a good banger came on the market, like the 1060 6gb which I paid €200 inc. VAT a pop. Current gen 4000 and 7000 series are the worst I ever saw for over 20 years in the dgpu market, do not buy it, Nvidia is at least 50% too expensive (only interesting ones are 4090 and 4070,
Loved my 5960X
I have a radeon vii paired with 8700k I wonder how much of a difference It will make if I get the ryzen 7800x3d I play on 1440p
Will x58 xeon cpu's run baldur's gate? properly?
I have a test bench with a 5960X at 4.5ghz with a RX 5700 XT and it does pretty good for 1440p high settings. It comes pretty close in multi core to my R7 3700X which kind of surprised me
You just described my main machine lol
It does great to bé honnest
Sucking 200w full re tard hahahaha
same 5960x @ 4.6ghz paired with rtx 3090 💪 i playing on 4K ( 138hz ) monitor and this set gives me really good results ;) people are laughing at me that i keep 3090 on this old cpu but i dont give a s*it :P . Best regards ... Dawid
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I think a more fair comparison would be the non X3D version... That being said if you bought the i7 in 2014 and skipped upgrading for 8 years, you win.
It's mainly just the first vs the last kind of thing.
I would hope so...shelling out over $1k just for the cpu alone better last at LEAST 10 years and then some.
Maybe try reading the title.
what do you even mean "fair"?
can you test the ryzen 7 1700 and ryzen 5 1600 vs the ryzen 7 5800X3d and ryzen 5 5600?
The x3d has a lot more MB L3 Cache, but how looks this vs with a 5700x
I think if you are running a more budget or mid range Gpu the gap between the Cpus would not be as large. Buying a Cpu, Mobo and D4 memory for under $150 paired with a $200 to $300 Gpu would give some solid 1080p gaming for several years.
i ran my 5060x with a 980ti, 2070s and currently a 3090. I play on 4k so i still have a gpu bottleneck. just a couple month ago i upgraded my ram from 16 to 32 gb. i dont feel like running on a budget gpu^^
Got 5800x3d to replace 3600 few days ago! Happy to see that the CPU is still in conversations!
would've liked to see some more CPU dependent games be tested, like Factorio or Stellaris
I think the difference in those titles would be much larger than in the (mostly) GPU bound titles tested here
Sim city 4
I'm still rocking an Asus x99 R5E10 along with an i7-6950X @ 4.2 GHz, 128 GB DDR4, and x2 GTX 1080 Ti's in SLI since 2016. I kinda wish I would've made my big overkill purchase a couple months later when x299 was released due to many things such as the limiting DMI 2.0 on x99 versus DMI 3.0 on x299. I've been tinkering with modifying and flashing my own custom UEFI to access "hidden" features to extend the life of this machine.
I am long overdue for an upgrade and general overhaul of my system, but I'm not currently in a financial position to do so. Whatever platform I go with, it has to have at least 40 PCIe 5.0 lanes.
I thought about obtaining the Asus Pro WS W790E-Sage SE, but I have the feeling that I should wait for Intel's Emerald Rapids before upgrading. I decided to go overkill with a workstation build instead of HEDT. I also hope Nvidia comes out with a Displayport 2.1 GPU in their next generation.
For me, the improvement was even more substantial - I went from Core i7 3970X to Ryzen 7 5800X (without x3d, it was very close to the launch date of 5000 series, within a couple months), and in some titles, like Crysis Remastered, the difference was actually tangible - there were no longer occasional framerate dips down to the mid-30FPS. A few other recent (at the time) demading games also got huge improvements in their 1% / 0.1% lows. It was noticeable even though I am an "ultra/60fps" guy, which relies heavily on GPU, rather than "moderate/high-refresh" where CPU would matter more.
Ryzen 5000 series was a great cpu generation! I ended up going to a 5700x which is similar to a 5800x, and was able to upgrade my gpu without getting frame drops and overall smooth gaming
I'm currently running the R9 3900X on my AM4 motherboard, later this year, I'll be upgrading it to the 5800X3D along side a 2x 8-pin RX 7900XTX. Can't wait
Killer deal are the 4 x16 pcie slots. Only recent boards that can do that are threadripper ones for over 600$
if there is any deals in the next months i will be upgrading my x99 board with the 5960x to a ryzen Ryzen 7 7800X3D with ddr5 and shit
Does the H610 motherboard support XMP?
The Xeon E5-1680 v3 is a better-binned version of the i7-5960X, and you should be able to overclock it to at least 4.5 GHz.
There are supposedly also the E5-1681, 1686, and 1691 v3 with 10, 12, and 14 cores respectively, but I really doubt they exist because I've never seen one anywhere at all, not even a photo or screenshot.
they exist but i heard that they have locked multiplier
Mainboard choice matters a lot for X99. There were some MBs (IIRC Asus and MSI - they were advertised with an "OC Socket") that bumped an otherwise static auxiliary voltage. This in turn allows for pushing the L3 cache/ringbus clocks significantly above the 3.5~3.7 Ghz that would otherwise be the limit, which especially benefits gaming performance.
Yup this. I had one of those mobos and was able to get 4.2 ghz Ringbus with a 4.5 ghz all core overclock 5960x for seven continuous years. It died on me about two weeks ago after a mobo cap gave up the ghost.
Yeah still running my X99 Asus USB3.1 board with that setup! Has been solid. Used to run the 5960x at 4.2Ghz and the cache at 4Ghz no problem. Now its underclocked to 2.8Ghz as electric aint cheap anymore.
Yup, I'm still running 5960x on Asus rampage extreme, 4.5ghz, custom water cooling (external rad with 3x 200mm fans) 😂
Hey Bri, do you have a new microphone cause you sound different in this video?
Got A few. Does this sound better?
@@techyescity I don't know if its better; I think I'm just used to the old sound. Your new mic seems to have more gain. But it picks up a lot of things like heavier breathing. It sounds more in your face. Just what I'm hearing. Whether its better or not, is subjective. I think I like the older sound since Im more used to it. Trying to be unbias, I think it's alright.
Recently built a budget PC for my friends brother. Xeon e5 2667 V3 with an AliExpress x99 Mobo. Super cheap and performs really well
hearing that the 5960x came out over 8 years ago makes me feel old af, and im only 21. Crazy how fast time flys, technology really just exponentially increasing aswell
Hi Bryan, greetings from CHIAPAS MEXICO, did you bring the golden mic with you to Taiwan?
Say hello to the tech yes dad man. Inventor of the Fatherboard.
Looking forward for the videos from Taiwan, please show us the food you eat in Taiwan and give us a comparison with Japanese food.
but which of the two has lower lattency and is snappier?
I've literally just (like yesterday) bought the 5800X3D as an upgrade from my 5960x just to get more fps in msfs (matched with a 4090). I only game in VR where you try to get to match the headset frequency and that's it and then you are just looking at the % load on the GPU and CPU trying to keep a little head room there for spikes during the game. I'm using a Pimax 8KX and not a single game apart from msfs taxed my 5960x - even with my 4090!! It, and all the other high end but older cpus are an absolute steel if you either game in VR (but don't play msfs) and/or you are OK with flat screen fps below 120!!!
It would have been nice to see a r7 5700X and or a 9900k/10700k for more context.
I got the 5960x with a MSI X99S SLI Plus, paired with 32gb of ram in quad channel and nvme. The system is fast, but the cpu becomes very hot when overclocked beyond 4.2 GHz. From 4.3 you need an AIO to keep it under control and even like that during summer is better to keep it stock and undervolted, because it can raise the room's temperature pretty quick. And you need to overclock it, because to get close to the single core performance of the Ryzen 3000 series (Zen 2), the chip has to run @4.5. Like that it scores 500 and 5000 points in cpuz single core and multithreaded benchmark. At stock frequencies it's like having a cheap 8 cores Xeon E5 v3.
So beware, because depending on where you live the cpu can transform your room in an oven during summer days. My suggestion is to undervolt and overclock it. But, even like that, it stays too hot at high frequencies.
Better to sell the X99 system, if you don't use it stricly as a workstation, and build an AM4 system buying a used cpu. That's what I'm doing: I just bought a used Ryzen 5600X and a new MSI B550-A Pro for 240€ total and probably I will get most of this money back selling my old mobo and cpu. Later I will update to a Ryzen 7/9, when I'll find a good price. Even a 5950X would be cooler than the old core i7 Extreme chips. 😄
You are right. This I7 exteme beast gets hot in the summer where I live. I'm interested to see how the AM4 platform works out for you.
@@lucid8898 In the end I swapped the MSI board for an Asus TUF B550 Gaming Plus. At the moment I'm using an old Arctic Freezer 7 Pro (single 92mm fan) to cool the cpu, because the other ones that I have can't mount in the AM4 socket. Even like that is waaaay cooler than the 5960X. It's like night and day. I live in Sardinia and the day that I left the comment it was like a furnace. The room was unberable, even with the cpu at stock and simply watching a movie. Also, the liquid cooling is worse when it comes to move the heat out from the case. As for the performance, the Ryzen is faster in everything, I'm very happy with it.
For reference, at stock speeds and voltages, with the AMD Wraith cooler it scored 10827 in Cinebench R23, consuming about 77-78W according to Hmonitor and reaching 73-74°C. Bear in mind, in Sardinia is still hot these days. The 5960X, instead, liquid cooled with a Corsair H100i and overclocked to 4.5 GHz @1.255V (with active voltage), scored 10245, passing its TDP. Can't remember the temperature. But on air and with the same settings it jumped immidiately to >80°C.
My case was an oven with the i7 Extreme, now I can't feel the hot air coming out. Liquid cooling isn't needed: a cheap Cooler Master or Arctic Cooling with a double fan is ok.
Before the i7 I had an AMD FX 8320E overclocked to 4.5 GHz on air for daily usage and was cooler than the intel. I validated 5 GHz on air with the FX, while the intel was melting @4.5 with the same air cooler.
My advise, unless someone needs a 20/22 Xeon V4 for workstation tasks, buy a used Ryzen 5000 series (picking the model that you need) and use the gpu for rendering and video editing. For this task Nvidia is better than AMD: Cuda, the RT cores and Optix are supported by all the major programs when it comes to rendering and video editing.
Really wanted 5960x however i was still at school and broke, last year used e5 2696v3(2699v3 variant) 18 core 36 threads 3.8ghz ant shit tons of cache, i got it for 100eur, with turbo boost unlock and at 3.8ghz on all cores, it kept my 3080 fully utilized in many games. X99 aged extremely well
Brian when you going too get the i7 6950x that will be amazing too test that. X99 is still amazing especially for those 18 core Xeon's! 😊 Bring back the Xeon's bro!
Great comparison but it's such a shame to have such a weak sample. I arrive at 4.7 GHz for 1.28V on mine and DDR4 3200 MHz set to CAS 13 with tight secondary and tertiary timing. It really unleashes the full potential of the platform!
You should try to find a copy with bacht starting with "J" they are usually much better in OC.
mine I can even do 4.5 GHz for 1.14V.
i have j batch i7 5960x but max overclock for me is 4.5 1.275v, i run it at 4375 mhz 1.175v cache 4250mhz 1.215v
CPU's have definitely come a long way but if you're on a budget and can find a good deal on a 5960x, it seems that you'd still be able to get a great experience with it, especially now that DDR4 kits are dirt cheap. The only deterrent might be longevity and power draw but it does quite well considering it's age.
Expected the difference to be bigger. 5960x almost 10 years old. I got a 5820k and x99 mobo laying around as a backup. Using r5 3600. Improvement was maybe 10-15% fps wise both at stock, but power use on ryzen more than 3 times lower.
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May i know it is ok for upgrading GPU in this way. As now i am using B550m+5600X+3060ti OC (plan upgrading GPU RTX4080)🤔 ya the 5800X3D processor sure is the best gaming processor AM4 but as i thinking save up the money without switch X3D processor and spend all the money into new GPU to play my target about Ray tracing ultra 4K(2160p gaming) with high/max settings .
Hope sir understanding what i talking about and can give me some informations or suggestions TQ ^~^ Thank You :)
Any solutions or suggestions TQ =]
The gap between these two is more narrow in some of these titles than I would have expected.
almost a doubling in fps at cpu bound resolutions, how is that narrow?
@@SweatyFeetGirl That's why I said "some" titles.
I wish you would include 13600k and 10600k.
Im using simillar cpu as i7-5960x its e5-2697v3 with unloked turbo boost and undervolting, disabled 4 cores for better performance coz of TDP
No memory overclock for i7-5960X?
Just upgraded from the 5960x to a 7700x last year. The 5960x held up well but it was time. Even games that weren't terribly optimized were being cpu limited. Did not have the patience to wait for the x3d chip, although I wish I had. 5800x3d is impressive as always. I have built a few am4 builds for friends and glad they have that as an option. Trying to talk my best friend into upgrading his 2700x to one of those.
really doubt that 7700x is going to last as long as that 5960x. should have went with 12700k or similar 8 core.
the gap from zen+ (around ivy bridge/haswell performance) to just zen3 is quite huge by itself, so a 5700x might be a better upgrade value wise.
@@KrashFries I agree, I was also recommendeding that if he wanted to spend less. I mostly recommended the x3d if it was on sale again.
@@666Necropsy The r7 7700x is an 8 core though? Are you thinking of a different 7700x perhaps? I do agree that I will need an upgrade sooner though. Haswell had legs due to Skylake stagnation. Will probably pick up a future x3d chip in a few years.
@@taramjwi57 Might as well stick with it until the last gen supported on the platform
8 years in the making ... not that big difference. In absolute figures? Absolutely yes!
I just picked up a motherboard combo with an ASUS X99-A II, i7-5960X Corsair Water Cooler #2 KL for $190
Now do the first DDR3 quad-core vs the last 🔥
Test the OG consumer i7s, like the 6700k, 8700k, vs now
I do wonder if AMD GPU's would fair better on the 5060x on some titles with Nvidia driver overhead being a bit harder on CPU's.
I had the 5960x, it was a good CPU, I was sad I got rid of it, but it was sitting here doing nothing, so I gave it with a EVGA x99 classified to a friend for his kid.
Hi, great vid, sub granted. Anyway, I happen to be an owner of an asus laptop with rather infamous i7 11370H with 4c/8t and 85w variant of RTX 3060. I was fully aware of its cons and limitations at purchase, but given the price of around 920GBP at gloomy times of scalper pandemic in oct 2021, it wasn't too much of a bad deal. Since I own the machine I played tens and tens of games, and ones that gave me a headache were A Plague Tale: Requiem and Warhammer 40k Darktide. I must admit that usually I'm going for 60Hz vsync for image consistency and high rather than ultra settings. Requiem I locked fps at 40 and Warhammer I had to leave it unlock since vsync wasn't working properly and was causing massive fps drops (UE4 you bastard ;-P). I played Metro Exodus EE on ultra with ultra rt and only on few instances fps dropped to around low 50s.. PC runs like a dream and honestly I don't feel like I'm missing out a lot compared to 6 or 8 cores. I realize this laptop days are counted, especially with new breed of UE5 games on the horizon. All in all I'm very happy with this laptop and gonna keep it until nvidias rtx 5 series. Even over year and a half from purchase I'm sticking with high gfx presets on every single game. Intels single core performance plays a great deal I suppose and thanks to adequate cooling solution in the laptop, temps are averaging low 80s even in many hours sessions of gameplay in the perf mode as I'm avoiding turbo for longevity sakes of hardware. Keep up the good work, I'm looking fwd to your next vid. Greetings from the UK.
Want to see some overclocked 5960X results.
I remember watching videos of these absurd gaming rigs with 3x 980 ti's and an overclocked 5960x, dreaming that one day I could build something with so much presence.
The X99 platform combined with the 980ti to 1080ti range represented actual money well spent upgrades with noticeable worthwhile performance Increases. But alas, we all wished we could buy the 5960x and 6950x, which at the time were over £1000.
I recently built my nostalgia dream PC when I unexpectedly managed to pick up an Asus Rampage V Edition 10 with a 6950x for £210.
It's old tech, but I was just as giddy turning It on for the first time as I was watching those videos on monstrous gaming rigs.
4.3ghz with a 3060ti and still kicking ass 👌
A decent 240mm cooler would take that chip to 4.6ghz easy, if not higher. Memory speeds are definitely finicky on haswell-e, but I've been able to get 3000 c14 working on my GFs 1660v3, the better latency and bandwidth might've been a huge help alone against a chip like the 5800x3d. Overall probably about 10-20% extra performance to be had from the haswell with tuning.
That cpu and x99 supports up to 3200mhz on my asus rampage extreme board.
You can really see that performance has not really been going up by as much as it used to in the past, for a while when comparing these 2 CPUs from 2014 2022 one would expect the Ryzen and even current Intel and AMD offerings to be much higher performance than they are in real life computing and even gaming loads. With all of the security mitigations that have been put in place on past and new chips through updates to the microcode the real world performance seems much lower than one would expect with a 10-15% boost in performance year over year with each new chip release.
Bryan. Go the other way. Compare a Threadripper 1950x against a i7 13700k. Both are 16 core cpu's. Or how about a Amd fx 8350 vs an i5 13600k.
Do you think the Ryzen 5950x and 7950x be in the same position as the Intel 5820k in 8 years?
Do you think 16 core CPU’s will become the norm?
i had a chance for x99, but i got my hands on a x399 wif 1950x for $50, havent played with it yet
it would be cool to see you test games that are always cpu bottlenecked to show the difference for example factorio, Oxygen not included, KSP. i belive those would show the highest changes
I retired my 5960X this year (running at 4500MHz combined with ram in quad channel at 3200 MHz) and replaced it with a 7800X3D and honestly? It wasn't worth it... In the games I play, I didn't get a noticeable performance boost from this. The whole thing just cost me a lot of money and I have problems that I didn't have before (stuttering on the desktop and also in some games). Considering that there are 8 years between the CPUs, I am very disappointed.
I would have preferred to stay on X99 for another 1-2 years and then get a bigger performance boost.
has your voice changed Bryan?
Ha I am still running my 7 year old 5960x 1080ti SLI setup.
Fun fact. X99 more capable in RAM OC then u will se on this video. Friend of mine have around 85gbps on his 6800k. U can calculate ram frequency by urself :)
Im glad to have this amazing platform today.
Great CPU. My Asus Rampage V Extreme killed my 5960X which made me upgrade before DDR5 platforms became a thing sadly :/.
crazy how this cpu has this much headroom for overclock, was it usual that the cpus these days came in with so much to squeeze out??
The bright green flashes when switching between scenes made me look away and skip ahead. Just my input -.-'