@@takuma7812 Checking into this video mostly for the data, I'd rather see a 5600X or related part on this list as a baseline or benchmark. It's a $150 +$75-100 for a mobo then $50 for RAM, all in maybe $300 and you have a great 6 core system. I've built 3 systems this year with a 5600X specifically for friends on a budget. I'll see if the transcript mentions the preemptive "Where 5###?" because I'm not skipping back to find out what it was.
5600x3d is more interesting anyways. It keeps up 1:1, is cheaper, and further showcases what 6 cores are capable of when done right. It's far easier to extrapolate 5700x3d results out of a 5800x3d because the boost clock is the only difference.
It's two CPUs for the price of one! Twice the FPS, double the savings! You don't know what you're missing; it's a game changer! - Me as a wee lad in the mid-00s, bragging about my cheapo PC to my Pentium Extreme Edition-owning friends
What they should do is dump the older CPU's and go with the newer. No point in keeping the old when it is replaced with newer and better parts of more than 2 generations. (For example, 5800X3D, pretty much dead platform at AM4)
Thank you so much for putting the 7600x3d in quotes, as someone who sometimes skips directly to the graphs its super helpful to not be confused! It's much appreciated!
haha nice :) I'm not annoyed though, just messing with you guys, I thought it was an obvious joke but a few people have got upset (not saying you have).
*laughs in having sold AM4 stuff while it had value and now has a 7800X3D that I can upgrade to other AM5 platforms* So glad I didn't waste money on a 5800X3D.
It is basically the greatest gaming CPU ever created considering platform, cost and price. Zero tinkering required, drop in to every Am4 board created in the last 7 years. Dirt cheap low latency DDR4 now and at release. I think it surpasses sandy bridge.
And i bought a 5800X some months before they released the X3D version. Currently debating if waiting and upgrading to AM5 some time will be the bestway to go.
I had a defective 7950x which I returned directly to AMD and they sent me a 7950x3d as a RMA replacement...I didn't complain, lol. Had stability issues early on but it's running fantastic today.
@@aberkae The clocks on the X3D CCD are 5% slower than on the vanilla CCD. So in fully multi threaded workloads that don't benefit from extra cache it's about 2.5% slower. That said, in my case (large project software compilation) it's actually overall a little faster, as the linking stage appears benefit from more cache.
Idk, sounds like the 7950X3D is pretty ass and you just settled. They shouldve made the whole thing vcache and if they couldnt do that then stick witht he 7800X3D. They dont have the software i guess to do what Intel and Mac do with their hybrid chip design. And tbh they really dont have to if they just dont over complicate things. They also need to stop wasting time with nonvcache chips and make them the standards next time, but they wanna keep charging more for them when. $400-$500 for an 8 core in this time is insane
Over the last 6 years I've gone from "whats cheap on facebook marketplace" 3570k to a 3800x, dropped in a 5800x3d and then won a 7950x3d based system from another tech youtuber. The 5800x3d and 6700xt I had was AMAZING for the money I had in it, and that 3800x to x3d upgrade was so cheap and easy and made such a big difference. The X3D family is just amazing. So much gaming performance and very little power useage. And I can still CAD model and render videos just fine for the 3x a year I do it. What a great time to be into PCs, and I've been doing it since the 90s.
Two reasons I bought a 5800X3D: 1. It's a great performer and technically interesting processor 2. Knowing it will be on benchmarking charts from HUB for years to come
hes not arguing that you shouldnt buy it if you already had ddr4 and a motherboard, hes saying its a waste buying it new with new b550 stuff. and I agree.
@@TheAnoniemo as an AMD user, the issues I am most annoyed by are: low power consumption and quiet fans on slow ram and a 7 year old motherboard with 12th gen performance
Regarding the remark for people building a new system, I think that the performance of 7600X is also noteworthy. Under 5% performance margin is virtually indistinguishable and that CPU is significantly cheaper than a 5800X3D, enough to offset any additional platform cost of AM5. So anyone thinking "I'm on a budget and the 5800X3D is a beast; AM5 is nice, but the boards and DDR5 are more expensive", you can actually get the same level of performance for the same amount of money on AM5. And you'll have an upgrade path to even better CPUs (pretty much any other AM5 model, save for the 7600 non-X and 7500F, which are very close in performance as well and so likewise awesome options, being even cheaper).
I agree with this statement, 7600x is a beast of a CPU and if you really need more performance in a few years, you can just drop a 7800x3d, maybe even a 9000 series Ryzen when they launch. New builds on AM4 should be considered only for very tight budgets.
that's something I have to keep emphasizing whenever there's too much AM4 veneration in the comments of someone asking for PC parts suggestions. You can defacto get the 5800X3D as the entry level CPU of AM5, and should you want to upgrade to say a 9800X3D down the road... you'll have that option. The 5800X3D for new system builders is just kicking down the cost of a full platform upgrade down the road, so I hardly consider it an unequivocal W in terms of value.
The fact people aren’t letting you get away without including it only goes to show how absolutely GOATed that chip is. Honestly deserves to go down in history alongside Athlon 64, Core 2 Duo, and the 8086 for being a huge and iconic advancement in capability through packaging
@@KittyKatKya The 2500k became that legendary because Intel started eating their crayons and sniffing their glue right after Sandy Bridge. I mean, we're all glad they did, as that gave AMD the breathing room they needed to sell their fabs, fend off bankruptcy, come up with Zen and start making a comeback. But strictly speaking, the 2500k wasn't a massive leap over it's predecessor. A notable one, compared to what came after, but nothing out of the ordinary. 3D V-Cache, however, hit like a lightening strike from a clear blue sky. Nobody saw that coming. And it came after AMD had thoroughly shown Intel who was boss in both power efficiency and multi threaded performance. But... the 5800X3D won't be as long lived as the 2500k, as now the gaming industry actually expect CPU gaming performance to increase by 20-30% every 2 years again.
@@andersjjensen Wasn't really commenting on a specific reason as to why it was held up so highly, only that when you have any chip that so ubiquitously gets held up as "the" one to get, it's going to become a benchmark that people will repeatedly ask about for years to come, even if it can't keep up for an extended period of time. It becomes a, for better or for worse, standard for comparison because so many become familiar with it. That said, while I wouldn't say it was some massive leap versus the gen that came before it, it was a large enough one *combined with* the absolutely silly overclocking headroom that gave it such a big name, even when Ivy (and more so) Haswell were seen as decent developments.
Still on the 5800X3D myself with a 4090 playing at 4k and I still cannot justify upgrading to a 7800X3D, as tempting as it is. The amount of value I have had out of AM4 is insane considering I have had the same MB for 3x CPU upgrades ending with the 5800X3D I still have (3700x to 5800x and finally 5800X3D).
Same here, albeit I'm running those 5800X3D+4090 on 3440x1440p. Amazing value and I carried on with the B550 Tomahawk from 3600 to 5600x to 5800X3D. Next jump is going to be AM5 but only with 9000 X3D cpus.
My 2500k is old but she is still my loved one. Massive overclock out of the box still valid years later because intel liked money. I feel like the original AMD 64 bit CPUs were better what was a 4200x? with 2 cores, IMC and dual channel, not your dad single thread CPU. Having integrated mem controller (what is old is new with the zen chiplet architecture) was a huge boost to games and multithreading was in. x3D is good as i like Sim games but feel like there have been bigger steps but maybe i am old and have too many past loves.
@@bobo-cc1xw You sound old, I'm 25 and the oldest CPU I've interacted with is the i7-6700K lol. i5-2500K wouldn't be usable for me, I have a backup machine with a i3-8100, both of these CPUs don't support hyper threading, which is kind of a problem these days.
@@potatoes5829 zero chance. Zen 5 (9x00) should be on final engineering samples/clock selection at this point, although there were rumors they went for a respin over the winter to either fix an issue or eek out more performance. Zen 6 (10/11x00) is already confirmed in development (don't recall the codename) and I cannot fathom that they'd change the Ryzen naming/branding of a popular lineup that will likely still be on AM5. "Zen 7" is the first chance for them to move away from the Zen/Ryzen numbering and branding, since they're expected to keep it until AM5 ends. DDR6 is the limiting factor here, if AMD doesn't pull an Intel and move to new chipsets (DDR6 is not commercially available, engineering samples barely exist for the lowest speeds, and JEDEC standard timings have not been locked in). Purchasable DDR6 is easily 2 years away, as many as 4, and may contribute to whether we see 2, 3, or even 4 Zen gens on AM5/DDR5. With x3D v-cache in mind, AMD is less dependent on RAM speeds for performance than Intel (at the moment), so they could arrive a full year late to DDR6 with a "post-Zen" processor and not really get punished for it
well, if you intend to play on high refresh rate monitors - such as new 32" 4K 240 Hz QD-OLED panels then we need to wait for the future hardware. Even Ryzen 7850X3D + RTX 4090 cannot go past 145 FPS in modern titles on ultra presets, so I am also waiting!
@@stangamer1151 7500f is a real goat for sure, with the 5800x3d though, you’re getting 100+ dollars off for around 4 frames lost when talking about the 7800x3d so it depends on how you define the gap between them
Nice one Steve. Started to think about updating my 5700xt which within a day has spiralled to thinking about doing a full rebuild from AM4/3600 (excluding the nvme). Really informative seeing these comparisons, plus the cost of B650 and DDR5. Total no brainer.
Have to remember that there is both the audience of people looking to buy a cpu as well as the audience of people that already bought one and now want to watch videos to reaffirm their purchasing decision. This is why 5800x3d owners will keep wanting to see videos about it.
Thanks Steve!! Probably should start video number 22 on this soon. 😆I have several AM4 systems at home and a couple of LGA 1700 boxes as well. Between my secondary system on AM4 and 3 more for the kids none are running the x3d parts. They are all on 3600s and one 5600x and I'm not going to upgrade to either the 58 or 5700x3d at all. These systems still perform fine with paired with their RTX 3060, 3060ti and 6700xt GPUs. Looking forward to the next gen CPUs from AMD and Intel personally before doing anything. Plan to skip the first gen AM5 parts and maybe wait for the next socket all together. As always massive props for HUB all the work put into benching , re benching and benching some more.
Sick, as someone who just upgraded their GTX 1080 to a 4070 Super, but still deciding between staying on AM4 and upgrading from a Ryzen 3700x to 5800x3d or going full AM5 and getting a 7800x3d, this is great, ty! I honestly think because I'm 1080p 144hz for life, I will probably get more lifetime out of AM4 and just go 5800x3d, and skip AM5 entirely and then upgrade the next time they release a new motherboard series. In the UK the price difference between 5800x3d and 5700x3d is only like £35, doesn't make sense to go for the lower CPU at these breakpoints.
@@tilapiadave3234 That's the difference between £250 for a 5800x3d, or £350 for a 7800x3d + £130 for an AM5 mobo + £200 for 64gb DDR5 ram. £250 vs £680 not really worth it. I can skip AM5 and then get a bigger performance upgrade on their next motherboard vertical to AM6. And yes I utilise 64gb ram for design software.
That's the conclusion I came to. With a 5800X3D my 3090 is often the bottleneck at 4K anyway, so there isn't much point to upgrading the CPU just yet. I should be able to ride out AM5 I think. If not, I'll have take a look at the current offerings.
The reason for using 720p/1080p for CPU gaming benchmarks is simple: 1) FPS is a combined result of CPU and GPU performance and is always the slower of the two. 2) A CPU's function is to operate game mechanics and send draw calls to the GPU. 3) A CPU's performance is not affected by resolution or graphics settings. 4) A GPU's performance is significantly affected by resolution and graphics settings. Therefore, a CPU will have the same performance at 2160p that it does at 720p. Since the FPS rate is always determined by the smallest performance number of the CPU and GPU, a benchmarker will make it very easy on the GPU with low resolution so that we can see what the CPU can do when not encumbered by an overworked GPU. There, I said it for you Steve! 😁
my favorite content provider! but I am glad you included the 5800x3d and 7950x3d in this comparison, as I really wanted to see those 2 due to personal reasons of my own setup(many kid computers), thank you!!
thanks for the new video, having 5800x3d inbetween these + competitive settings in CS2 really makes sense for a lot of people to decide if they need to upgrade or not, competitive Fortnite aiming for 300fps would've been nice to see too, cuz upgrading from 5800x3d to 7800x3d at the moment makes sense only if you own 4090 and/or gonna do competitive Esports, otherwise the performance gains are slim to none
Your 7950x3d results are better than launch videos a lot and in the last video you mentioned scheduling the games onto the cache cores. Did you mean you’re doing that or are you using AMDs automatic game mode stuff?
Windows has improved the 7950x3d experience a lot, there are still some applications where it kind of doesn't know what to do, but for gaming it's pretty great now
Steve, thanks for remaking the video with the 5800X3D, I still think it's an interesting topic and worth including if nothing else for easy comparison. It lets people who are still on AM4 judge if it's worth jumping to AM5, or just going for a 5800X3D.
this animation in the cost analysis was great Unfortunately, this something came to the conclusion but I would like these to be used more often. gives the channel a little more fresh and looks "higher quality"
Thanks for the update, Steve. Despite you having previous 5800X3D comparisons, the value here is seeing it in your current, 2024 selection of games. I'm bookmarking this for the next 6 months of "should I upgrade my AM4 CPU or buy a whole new AM5 system?" questions!
Patiently wating for video 22! Honestly, the 5800X3D is one of the best computer purchases I've ever made, second only to buying AM4 in the first place. The Celeron 300 (450mhz OC) back in 1999 is up there too, haha.
@@Invid72 not all of them could do 50% overclock. A few could do more. But 95%+ could do a 50% overclock on stock cooler with stock voltages which was truly insane. These days a 50% O/C usually needs massive voltage changes, a silicon lottery jackpot, and insane cryo cooling.
@@AndyViant Mine did 50% on stock voltage but I could never get it stable pushing the front side bus past 100MHz so it topped out at 450Mhz. Still enough to be faster than the Pentium II which cost 4 times as much. Crazy.
I got a 5800X3D for $290 during Thanksgiving Day sale last year. I haven't even put it in my machine yet because I'm waiting for my new case. It's replacing a Ryzen 1600X. I also got a 4080 Super to replace my gtx 1070. I'm hoping to get 5 to 6 years out of this cpu and wait for AM5 to mature a bit.
Knowing steve in his other video: (he answer himself): Just amd drivers, no lassa software
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I do have the 7950X3D and I like to say for comparison, that this CPU is made by the 7700X plus the 7800X3D. In comparison to the 7700X has this CPU a 300MHz higher boostclock on the eaquivalent part of the CPU and in comparison to the 7800X3D, the boostclock is 200MHz higher on the equivalent part of the CPU. Basic-Clockspeeds with none optimization! You can turn OFF the CCD without the X3D-Cache in the BIOS, but only if you do this at stock-settings. After that, you can save a profile with this basic-setting and after that, you can adjust what ever you want and save it into this profile as well. At the end, you got the luxury choice, to create profiles for higher workloads with both CCD's active or just a gaming profile only with the CCD0. Using the 7950X3D as a 7700X or as a 7800X3D will how ever gain you higher boostclocks and this way more performance. In sight of pricing comes the 7950X3D here for at minimum 599€, but the 7700X and the 7800X3D together would cost 643,48€ and if you switch between them, you would have to rebuild a part of your system every time and you aren't able to use them together and that's why I think, that the 7950X3D is a great deal. By Optimization, my CCD1 boosts up to 5.820MHz what's +120MHz above basic-boostclocks, ... the overall core-performance is also increased ..., but how ever this is at the end 420MHz above the performance of the 7700X. My CCD0 with the X3D-Cache equal to a 7800X3D is boosting up to 5.397MHz what's an additional uplift by 197MHz against stock-settings and this is at the end 397MHz above the basic-boostclock of a 7800X3D. You can turn and twist the infos as you want - the 7950X3D is that beast of a CPU. - So much performance for the price and this possibilities to optimize my system is more that I ever imagined. @Cyberpunk 2077 with Preset "HIGH" with the 7950X3D CCD1=Off in combination with a RTX 3090 Ti: 1% low: fps AVG: 215(.13)fps @Cyberpunk 2077 with Preset "HIGH" with the 7950X3D CCD0+1=On in combination with a RTX 3090 Ti: 1% low: fps AVG: 185(.11)fps 1% low I still have to record (if wished by comments). VS. 1% low: 165fps AVG: 186fps With a tested 7950X3D and a RTX 4090. VS. 1% low: 175fps AVG: 194fps With a tested 7800X3D and a RTX 4090.
@@serguei1029 Thank you!^^ The only problem that I got with AM5 is, that when ever a Bios-Update appears, I have to research all working values again after the update. - That sux ...
I have a 5700x. Not the 3D one just the regular one. I had an RTX 4090 at one point and I sent it back because I was concerned about the CPU bottleneck. Now I have an RTX 4070 Ti Super. I believe at 1080p there would still be some bottleneck but at 1440p where I actually play I just wonder about that.
Good timing HUB. I ordered new AM5 items and moving to that from AM4 5800X3D. Decided now its time with 7800X3D and new GPU. Zen5 comes this year so i'm ready to check if its worth to upgrade cpu or wait. Ether way i'm ready to use AM5 4-5 years as i did with AM4.
I cant wait for 9800X3D/9900X3D or 9950X3D! I want to upgrade from 10850K.. 13900K and 14900K doesnt feel that appealing due to lower clocks and so hot chips.. I dont want a furnace in my room and high power bill!
I’m currently on am4 and cannot afford to change mobo right now. However, I’ve been meaning to get a gpu for a while now and have settled on wanting a 4080. Currently I’m rocking a 5600x with 32gb 3600mhz ram. I was wondering if I should upgrade my cpu to the 5800x3d as I’m playing ultra wide or wait for the XT variants to come out later this year on am4 as they might be better than the x3d? I’m looking to play at high/ultra and my monitor is 3440x1440p @ 144hz. Any help would be appreciated guys :). P.s. I’m just worried about the bottlenecks rlly I guess.
Thanks for the update, I can wait for Zen6. There will be a significant uplift in gaming for the 5800x3d. I have been very happy with my combo 5800x3d and 4090 with 32gb Cl14. I also am a proud owner of the Antec Performance F1 case, no need to upgrade if your on AM4 with 5800x3d.
if you game at 4K I suspect the difference will be totally marginal and not worth the upgrade. The problem with 1080P and a 4090 is that it's a ridiculous mostly unlikely pairing.
It would be really nice with an AMD vs Nvidia comparison in situations where you are CPU bottlenecked. Similar to the R5 5600 scaling video, but comparing cards from both manufacturers. The current video only included Nvidia GPUs, but historically Nvidia has had more driver overhead, causing performance loss to be greater in CPU limited situations compared to AMD. Is this still the case? How large is this effect currently?
5800x3d and a 4090 here. Much appreciated to see it included. I’m waiting one more generation before upgrading. If the best amd has to offer is ~20% better performance, then next gen should be a well worthwhile upgrade
LOL Answered the "do we really need another 5800X3D" before you answered it!!! I always thought the 5800X3D was comparable to the 7700X which is good i know it's not holding back my 4070Ti Super. Good more me as i didn't want to invest in a new motherboard and memory just yet anyway.
Thanks for the video. I was debating whether I should have spent the extra money and gone from the 3800x to 7700x, instead of just upgrading the cpu to the 5800x3d. Looking at these, I think I made the right choice for the next few years. I might upgrade to the am5 platform when they get to zen 6. Those numbers showed me that my real bottleneck is my 5700xt. I'm hoping that the next release of nvidia/amd graphics gives us something good in the mid level. I feel it's too close to the next release to consider existing gpus.
I hope you read this whole interest in X3D cpus are because of their specialty in handling 0.1% and 1% lows IN GAMES WITH HEAVY AI and tons of units moving around AND STUFF. which are typically RTS, isometric base buildy games like starcraft 2, company of heroes series, call to arms ostfront, riftbreaker, factorio, age of empires series. I hope you make a benchmark on these obscure games with these processors. also if you have time please couple these cpus with older and midrange gpus too. not everybody who desires 5800x3d for specific games going to buy an rtx4090!
Those that have a 7950x3d. Set the cpu to prefer cache in bios (ccd0) and put a negative offset of at least 20 on those ccd0 cores (first 8) in curve optimizer. Suprised many of these "Benchmark" videos dont show this, it makes a significant differance.
Yes the Ryzen 9 3Ds results are basically rigged in this video, they have up to 20% performance difference with manual overclocking, windows is using the non 3D cores.
Just note that while getting away with -20 is probably fine for the lower clocked X3D CCD, it does depend on your silicon lottery luck whether your CPU can do it. I had my 7950X (non-X3D) running ok with -20 for a while, but after heating up under heavy load it occasionally got unstable and I had to be a little less aggressive on that setting. So do your stability testing if you do this. I would recommend lowering the value until you see instability, then back off by ~5mV to be on the safe side.
@@Hugh_I Absolutely, however on a 7950x3d -20 is the generic recomended safe bet for people that arent overly confident in OC practices. You would have to be really unlucky to get a 7950x3d where a negative offset of 20 isnt acheivable. The key part to killer gaming performance is really setting the cpu to favor that 3d cache anyway.
@@user-fg6mq3dg3d Right!, blows my mind that in these gaming performance benchmarks they dont show what these cpu's are really capable of for gameing. Just lazy.
Nah. If he wants to add overclocking as a separate data point, that's fine, but it definitely shouldn't be represented as the standard for any given chip.
I wasn’t even going to buy it originally I was going to get a 5800x3d or hop early on am5 with a 7600/x but then I started buying part by part and realized if I’m buying new and don’t want to drop in another cpu for as long as I can, 7800X3D FTW
I quick slide at the beginning of the video with rough equivalents could remind folks of similar performing parts on the same-ish platform and save you some time benchmarking. Assuming people read them! Although performance might be a known quantity, there are some amazing deals on AM4 and intel 12th gen right now that might be driving interest in how last gen parts compare with current gen. 12th gen intel and AM4 non X3d parts are straight up budget priced right now, allowing builders on a budget to get pretty insane levels of CPU performance even if limited by their GPU. Honestly this is the best time to build a PC even if the higher end GPUs are pricey.
At 4K its likely not. I compared my 7800X3D to a spare system I had with a regular 7600 and at 4K with a 4090 it was within like 5% in almost every game. Going down to 1440p the gap gets wider.
Obviously. Saw a video a couple of days ago about the cheap 13400F vs 14900K in 4K with a 4090 and they performed exactly the same since you are almost always GPU bound and when you are not (lets say in CS GO) it doesn't matter whether you pull 300 or 400 fps
I'm in the process of upgrading one of my AM4 systems to 5700X3D, adding 32 gigs of 3600 CL16 ram, with a 7900 GRE for one of my grandsons. I'm also building an AM5 system from scratch with the 7800X3D and 7900XTX.
You can never have too much 5800X3D. Apparently. Maybe we need a 5800x3d x 1080 ti modern day benchmarks. So what if those parts released 5 years apart. GOAT means the hardware is timeless... right?
That's right, NO CPU VIDEOS without the R7-5800X3D EVER AGAIN! This just shows how revolutionary the R7-5800X3D was. I'll still be using mine for years to come. My display is 2160p60Hz and the 5800X3D won't lose its ability to do 60FPS anytime soon. I know this took a lot of work on your part so, to paraphrase Intel.... "THANKS STEVE!" 😁
No, because how would they get rid of the 3D CCDs with 1-2 bad cores? Thats the whole point of this part, to get rid of the ones that don't make an 8-core lmao
@@arc00ta I agree, all 8 cores should be 3D, with 4 normal cores on the second chip. chips with 1 or 2 bad cores can go to 7700x3d (similar to 5700x3d). Chips with 1 or 2 broken cores can be 7600x3d. If you are paying that much for a 3d chip, why would you want a nerfed 3d chip? Would also allow AMD to charge a reasonable amount for the 7900x3d, instead of constant sales. The only problem really is the lack of defective chips that need to be reduced all the way down to 4 cores.
@@mikesteve3039 You can agree with whatever you want, it doesn't stop the 3D stacked dies from having faulty cores. Going by the 5000 series, they don't have enough of them to waste on 6-core parts until the socket is almost done (5600X3D).
@@arc00ta Wait...so there is not enough faulty chips to make a 7600x3d... but there IS enough to make the 7900x3d? You are contradicting yourself right there. The 6 core parts in the 7900x3d should have gone into the 7600x3d instead. And the 7900x3d should have 8 3d cores, and a slightly higher price to account for the better chip.
@@mikesteve3039 higher margins butthead, they’re not your friends. Why would they use them for a 6 core when they can make you buy an 8 or 12 core? Use your brain.
I owned a 5800x3D for a month and then sold it and a board for $380 and went x670/7600x for basically the same price. Now have two 7800x3D and two 7600x builds a couple Months later. AM4 is starting to get sold off when good offers come in.
Just picked up a 3rd 7800X3D new for $220 locally. Replaced a 7600X in my X670/6700XT hooked up to a 4k 144hz screen. It also supports 240hz @ 1080p which seems to be the way to game on this setup for the higher refresh rate. My AM4 systems are getting sold off sooner then expected.
It’s amazing how well the 5800X3D performs to its zen 4 counterparts. If just gaming, there’s no reason to get the other standard cpus anymore. The 3D VCache is really putting in the work and I expect game engines to really take advantage of it in the near future as we see not all take advantage of the cache yet.
I've been using 5800x3d for a year and most likely will be my last path in AM4 platform.. I paired it with B550 Unify-X, bought last week to replace the "granpa" C6H. I know its an old B550 board, but this channel keep convince me that 5800x3d still has some gas in 2024 regardless its price. Therefore, I want to max out its potential before moving forward to new socket. Great experience so far in all games I played (thankfully I don't play those AAA titles except CS2). Great video, as always!!
Honestly, I appreciate you putting in the best of AM4 into reviews. It lets me know when I newd to start thinking about upgrading. Its getting there but this stack up helped put things in perspective. Being stacked up to the 7700x is a good spot imo for a previous gen CPU. I wasnt necessarily a fan of the tude but I do appreciate the work. Thank you.
I'd love to see a comparison between standard 5000 series ryzen vs the 7000 and X3D cpus. I have a 5900x, and so the 5800x3d isn't really for me, but im curious how much better a modern cpu is, as i do seem to be cpu bottlencked in some games using a 6800xt gpu at 1440p. I'll of course be waiting for the next gen of CPUs before upgrading, so would be interested in a video comparison against those too. Great video!
Steve gets hit with the "But I want to se MY part in the chart!" chanting hard! :D I bought the 7950X3D fully expecting it to forever be (an insignificant amount, by my standards) slower than the 7800X3D in gaming, but I'm rather surprised to see that it actually came out with identical performance these days. Not that it matters much, as an XTX at 1440p with everything cranked up until I drop to 90-100FPS (and older titles generally capped to 100FPS) it won't ever fully stretch it's legs. And since I'm probably upgrading soon again, for multi threading performance rather than gaming performance, I will never end up placing any real demand on it.
Just built a new 7700x gaming rig for my son, I did strongly consider the 5800x3d, but wanted an upgrade path and ddr5, thanks for the validation! Overall he's happy with his new computer.
I personally appreciate that you included this comparison, as at the time it was a premium of 300-500 to purchase the 7000 series CPUs. I would be greatly appreciative if, in the future, the inclusion of the 5000 series x3d chips is also considered. We would all understand if these changes occur down the line.
Thank you for #21. This is the one CPU X3D comparison video to rule them all. Sometimes, more (CPUs) is not better. Lots of gamers have made the decision to move to an X3D CPU and at that point, all the non-X3D results are just noise. I also appreciate putting the CPUs in version rank rather than by performance. Saves me a lot of time hunting for the CPU I am most interested in. Do I see a trend of the X800 X3D CPUs becoming the gaming standard of each generation?
Awesome analysis, as usual. I just upgraded my system from 5600X/32 3200Mhz CL16/Asus B450 mobo to 7700/32GB 6400 CL32/ASRock B650M PG Riptide and I am happy. Retained my older 3080Ti and got new 4k Gigabyte M32UC (from LG 27GN850). Tweaked my system with PBO +200, CO -30 all cores, adjusted TDP parameters and memory 6400 @CL30 with FCLK=2133Mhz = it is now besting standard 7700X, and with AIO cooling running at 70% max is quite. Next upgrade will definitely be 9800X3D. and maybe RTX 5070Ti/Super. :) P.S. May I suggest to do 1440p as default testing with such CPUs and GPU and also include AAA like Alan Wake 2 and the likes ... intensive ones.
Super cool Antec sponsored this video. The Performance 1 Silent is such a good case and it has an option for a solid side panel for those who don't want the glass fishbowl look. great cooling and great design for a full size case
I think the reason that having some older equipment is valuable is to show potential upgrade options for people looking to make new builds. So they can get an idea of what they'll get for their money. But as you mentioned, just look at other CPU's which are comparable to yours in those benchmarks to get an idea.
Sitting here on a 3950x & considering a system upgrade Including the 5800 & 5700 even if just briefly, was very helpfull to really consider if i'm doing a full system or CPU only upgrade
@@AndyViantYeah, I had expected to want to upgrade my 5800X3D to Zen5, but I'm leaning toward waiting for AM6 now. It does everything I need and then some already. Maybe if I upgrade to an RTX 5090 or something... idk.
Where did the Ryzen 5 7600x3d come from in your list? I searched the Internet and I didn't find such a processor, there's not even a slight mention of it existing!
Steve we have the memory of a newt thank you for the new benchmarks :P. I expect a recheck in 6 months I will have forgotten all of this again.. Cheers!
Loved how you preempted the "Where is the 5700x3d" comments
But where is the 5600x3d? /s
@@takuma7812 i'll also be expecting an athlon 5000G3D comparison with all other 3D v-cache processors
@@takuma7812 Checking into this video mostly for the data, I'd rather see a 5600X or related part on this list as a baseline or benchmark. It's a $150 +$75-100 for a mobo then $50 for RAM, all in maybe $300 and you have a great 6 core system. I've built 3 systems this year with a 5600X specifically for friends on a budget.
I'll see if the transcript mentions the preemptive "Where 5###?" because I'm not skipping back to find out what it was.
5600x3d is more interesting anyways. It keeps up 1:1, is cheaper, and further showcases what 6 cores are capable of when done right. It's far easier to extrapolate 5700x3d results out of a 5800x3d because the boost clock is the only difference.
lol
Wow, just wow. I can't believe you didn't include the Athlon X2.
2600K is still valid in 2024! heresy, overclocking past these young uns.
Now I'll never know if it is worth upgrading 😞
It's two CPUs for the price of one! Twice the FPS, double the savings! You don't know what you're missing; it's a game changer!
- Me as a wee lad in the mid-00s, bragging about my cheapo PC to my Pentium Extreme Edition-owning friends
Team AM386DX-40 here: absolutely fuming that it wasn't included!
I’ve still got a 5775C @ 4.2ghz with 32gb of DDR3 1866, aka the first x3d chip. I’d love to see that compared to the real x3d chips.
5800X3D is the 1080 Ti of CPU's at this point.
jajajaja
Glazer
@@NINJA_INVESTORS I mean it is though.. Dang thing is holding on strong
The 5800X3D being the GOAT should be included in every CPU review as a reference point haha
Yeah,, let's do 4790 also... /s. I mean only 20 videos....
AGREED
I got the 5800x3d and got no complaints about it .. and a 5600x3d too and no complaints
What they should do is dump the older CPU's and go with the newer.
No point in keeping the old when it is replaced with newer and better parts of more than 2 generations. (For example, 5800X3D, pretty much dead platform at AM4)
Agreed I did even though I did just upgrade to the 7800x3d just because I’m giving my old system to my nephew
Can't wait for 5800X3D to be included in Zen 5 X3D CPUs review
It will be interesting to see it included with the Zen 6 X3D benches!
It needs to be as many AM4 holdouts like myself need to see that comparison.
Let's be real. It will probably be in every X3D comparison for the near future.
The look at the generational improvement of X3D technology would be a video eventually
I like to fall asleep listening to Steve say "X3D"...
I loop Steve x3d’ing, Nvidia tie'ing and Intel thankssteve'ing
@@fracturedlife1393 Melatonin sales: 📉📉📉
@@fracturedlife1393that just sounds NSFW😂
@@fracturedlife1393 lmao
Thank you so much for putting the 7600x3d in quotes, as someone who sometimes skips directly to the graphs its super helpful to not be confused! It's much appreciated!
wait is the 7600x3d real? has it released? i cant find knowledge on it on youtube
@@Rishi-chadsincebirth It's just them benchmarking the 7900x3d with the non 3d cache CCD disabled
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@@nap8187 ohk thnx
Why put in a faux CPU that doesn't exist? "7600x3D"
Get annoyed all ya want. Many of us went out and bought 5800x3d and we love hearing that we don’t need new upgrade for time to come
haha nice :) I'm not annoyed though, just messing with you guys, I thought it was an obvious joke but a few people have got upset (not saying you have).
@@Hardwareunboxed haha I hear ya. Keep the great content coming. I look forward to these videos everyday at work.
*laughs in having sold AM4 stuff while it had value and now has a 7800X3D that I can upgrade to other AM5 platforms*
So glad I didn't waste money on a 5800X3D.
@@rustler08keep spending. I’ll keep gaming.
@@rustler08 Cool Story bro
glad i got a 5800X3D, hoping it will become the 1080ti of CPUs
It will be the GOAT for sure
It is basically the greatest gaming CPU ever created considering platform, cost and price. Zero tinkering required, drop in to every Am4 board created in the last 7 years. Dirt cheap low latency DDR4 now and at release. I think it surpasses sandy bridge.
Oh yeah. For sure! Super happy with mine :)
And i bought a 5800X some months before they released the X3D version.
Currently debating if waiting and upgrading to AM5 some time will be the bestway to go.
@@Aerith17 Considering u can drop it into a super cheap motherboard and keep on gaming for years to come is in itself a nice gesture from AMD...
Bought 5800x3d as an upgrade from 3700x and its amazing.
Yeah bro it’s silly how bad it makes old parts look.
Did the same a while back. Love it.
I switch to 5800x3d from an 1700 with x370 motherboard ahahah
3600 here, and i got it for under 300us, glad I did!
Same but from 5900x
I had a defective 7950x which I returned directly to AMD and they sent me a 7950x3d as a RMA replacement...I didn't complain, lol. Had stability issues early on but it's running fantastic today.
Is there any significant delta difference in non gaming applications that you noticed between them?
@@aberkae Not after the latest few windows updates.
@@aberkae The clocks on the X3D CCD are 5% slower than on the vanilla CCD. So in fully multi threaded workloads that don't benefit from extra cache it's about 2.5% slower. That said, in my case (large project software compilation) it's actually overall a little faster, as the linking stage appears benefit from more cache.
@@andersjjensen makes sense
Idk, sounds like the 7950X3D is pretty ass and you just settled. They shouldve made the whole thing vcache and if they couldnt do that then stick witht he 7800X3D. They dont have the software i guess to do what Intel and Mac do with their hybrid chip design. And tbh they really dont have to if they just dont over complicate things. They also need to stop wasting time with nonvcache chips and make them the standards next time, but they wanna keep charging more for them when. $400-$500 for an 8 core in this time is insane
Over the last 6 years I've gone from "whats cheap on facebook marketplace" 3570k to a 3800x, dropped in a 5800x3d and then won a 7950x3d based system from another tech youtuber. The 5800x3d and 6700xt I had was AMAZING for the money I had in it, and that 3800x to x3d upgrade was so cheap and easy and made such a big difference. The X3D family is just amazing. So much gaming performance and very little power useage. And I can still CAD model and render videos just fine for the 3x a year I do it.
What a great time to be into PCs, and I've been doing it since the 90s.
You spoil us Steve. Anyway, based off your previous work I figured we knew the 5800X 3D was practically on par with the 7700X in gaming.
Two reasons I bought a 5800X3D:
1. It's a great performer and technically interesting processor
2. Knowing it will be on benchmarking charts from HUB for years to come
hes not arguing that you shouldnt buy it if you already had ddr4 and a motherboard, hes saying its a waste buying it new with new b550 stuff. and I agree.
And to have amd specific issues
@@juveboy01033 like what?
@@TheAnoniemo as an AMD user, the issues I am most annoyed by are: low power consumption and quiet fans on slow ram and a 7 year old motherboard with 12th gen performance
Regarding the remark for people building a new system, I think that the performance of 7600X is also noteworthy. Under 5% performance margin is virtually indistinguishable and that CPU is significantly cheaper than a 5800X3D, enough to offset any additional platform cost of AM5. So anyone thinking "I'm on a budget and the 5800X3D is a beast; AM5 is nice, but the boards and DDR5 are more expensive", you can actually get the same level of performance for the same amount of money on AM5. And you'll have an upgrade path to even better CPUs (pretty much any other AM5 model, save for the 7600 non-X and 7500F, which are very close in performance as well and so likewise awesome options, being even cheaper).
I agree with this statement, 7600x is a beast of a CPU and if you really need more performance in a few years, you can just drop a 7800x3d, maybe even a 9000 series Ryzen when they launch. New builds on AM4 should be considered only for very tight budgets.
7600 runs with less power
that's something I have to keep emphasizing whenever there's too much AM4 veneration in the comments of someone asking for PC parts suggestions. You can defacto get the 5800X3D as the entry level CPU of AM5, and should you want to upgrade to say a 9800X3D down the road... you'll have that option. The 5800X3D for new system builders is just kicking down the cost of a full platform upgrade down the road, so I hardly consider it an unequivocal W in terms of value.
@@lyserberg 5800x3d of am5 platform? bruh
@@dagnisnierlins188 I think you missed the starting point of "If you are not currently on AM4"
The fact people aren’t letting you get away without including it only goes to show how absolutely GOATed that chip is.
Honestly deserves to go down in history alongside Athlon 64, Core 2 Duo, and the 8086 for being a huge and iconic advancement in capability through packaging
There is no instructions to do that, unless someone gonna bench Doom! or Wolfenstein 3D from early 90's on a 7800X3D)))
Just sorta happens when you get a golden boy "meme" processor going; The venerable 2500k also comes to mind in that regard.
@@KittyKatKya The 2500k became that legendary because Intel started eating their crayons and sniffing their glue right after Sandy Bridge. I mean, we're all glad they did, as that gave AMD the breathing room they needed to sell their fabs, fend off bankruptcy, come up with Zen and start making a comeback. But strictly speaking, the 2500k wasn't a massive leap over it's predecessor. A notable one, compared to what came after, but nothing out of the ordinary. 3D V-Cache, however, hit like a lightening strike from a clear blue sky. Nobody saw that coming. And it came after AMD had thoroughly shown Intel who was boss in both power efficiency and multi threaded performance. But... the 5800X3D won't be as long lived as the 2500k, as now the gaming industry actually expect CPU gaming performance to increase by 20-30% every 2 years again.
I do expect a lot of 8086K + 1080 Ti 'retro builds' coming up in the future.
@@andersjjensen Wasn't really commenting on a specific reason as to why it was held up so highly, only that when you have any chip that so ubiquitously gets held up as "the" one to get, it's going to become a benchmark that people will repeatedly ask about for years to come, even if it can't keep up for an extended period of time.
It becomes a, for better or for worse, standard for comparison because so many become familiar with it.
That said, while I wouldn't say it was some massive leap versus the gen that came before it, it was a large enough one *combined with* the absolutely silly overclocking headroom that gave it such a big name, even when Ivy (and more so) Haswell were seen as decent developments.
Still on the 5800X3D myself with a 4090 playing at 4k and I still cannot justify upgrading to a 7800X3D, as tempting as it is. The amount of value I have had out of AM4 is insane considering I have had the same MB for 3x CPU upgrades ending with the 5800X3D I still have (3700x to 5800x and finally 5800X3D).
Same here ryzen 7 5800x3D and rog strix 4090 oc. I'm fine I most titles at 4k
Same here, albeit I'm running those 5800X3D+4090 on 3440x1440p.
Amazing value and I carried on with the B550 Tomahawk from 3600 to 5600x to 5800X3D.
Next jump is going to be AM5 but only with 9000 X3D cpus.
nice setups you have, It is not worth to upgrade to 7800X3D for you.
@@Blerpa no are all games smooth? i want to upagrade to 5800x3d too and pair it with a 4080 level gpu but at 1440p
@@berke__ Honestly, I may end up doing exactly that at this rate. Since I am still mostly GPU bound at 4k anyway
The 5800X3D will go down as one if not the most loved CPU ever.
It already has I would say, AFAIK there is no good reason to get one now that the 5700X3D exists.
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My 2500k is old but she is still my loved one. Massive overclock out of the box still valid years later because intel liked money.
I feel like the original AMD 64 bit CPUs were better what was a 4200x? with 2 cores, IMC and dual channel, not your dad single thread CPU. Having integrated mem controller (what is old is new with the zen chiplet architecture) was a huge boost to games and multithreading was in.
x3D is good as i like Sim games but feel like there have been bigger steps but maybe i am old and have too many past loves.
@@bobo-cc1xw You sound old, I'm 25 and the oldest CPU I've interacted with is the i7-6700K lol. i5-2500K wouldn't be usable for me, I have a backup machine with a i3-8100, both of these CPUs don't support hyper threading, which is kind of a problem these days.
@@zoopa9988 "You sound old"
Kudos for your interaction with the community :)
5800x3D is the greatest gaming cpu release in many years if not all time. Absolutely bonkers that my am4 2017 platform still has a lot of life left.
Still waiting for ryzen over 9000!
Shouldn’t be too much longer now!
@@leotide1990 what are the chances they change the name before ryzen 10000
@@potatoes5829 zero chance. Zen 5 (9x00) should be on final engineering samples/clock selection at this point, although there were rumors they went for a respin over the winter to either fix an issue or eek out more performance.
Zen 6 (10/11x00) is already confirmed in development (don't recall the codename) and I cannot fathom that they'd change the Ryzen naming/branding of a popular lineup that will likely still be on AM5.
"Zen 7" is the first chance for them to move away from the Zen/Ryzen numbering and branding, since they're expected to keep it until AM5 ends. DDR6 is the limiting factor here, if AMD doesn't pull an Intel and move to new chipsets (DDR6 is not commercially available, engineering samples barely exist for the lowest speeds, and JEDEC standard timings have not been locked in). Purchasable DDR6 is easily 2 years away, as many as 4, and may contribute to whether we see 2, 3, or even 4 Zen gens on AM5/DDR5.
With x3D v-cache in mind, AMD is less dependent on RAM speeds for performance than Intel (at the moment), so they could arrive a full year late to DDR6 with a "post-Zen" processor and not really get punished for it
Ryzen 8888 is golden naming opportunity 😂
well, if you intend to play on high refresh rate monitors - such as new 32" 4K 240 Hz QD-OLED panels then we need to wait for the future hardware. Even Ryzen 7850X3D + RTX 4090 cannot go past 145 FPS in modern titles on ultra presets, so I am also waiting!
You forgot to add a simulated 4 core variant, the "7300X3D"
I would love to see that! I could test it myself, but I don't have a 4090
This could be really boring or REALLY interesting
That's the Intel Core i7-5775C :p
d'aw, so kyoot!
A good deal on a 7800x3D finally pushed me to upgrade to AM5. Just cant go wrong considering how long this system can potentialoy last.
5800x3D FTW!!💪🏻💪🏻
the 5800X3D and the 7800X3D are the GOATs
heavy on the 7800x3d
7500f and 7800X3D are the real GOATs. 5800X3D is way too expensive for an old gen CPU.
@@stangamer1151 7500f is a real goat for sure, with the 5800x3d though, you’re getting 100+ dollars off for around 4 frames lost when talking about the 7800x3d so it depends on how you define the gap between them
ur wrong , 7950x3d is GOAT of games without considering cost-effectiveness
@@fangguo2780 the 7800x3d still performs better
It makes me happy to see 5800X3D still packing a punch in those graphs. The GOAT!
I just upgraded from a 5600x solely for cs2 and it was well worth it. The 1% low improvement with the 5800x3d finally made cs2 playable again for me
Was I not welcomed back to Hardware Unboxed in the start of the video? Gives that feeling that something is missing
We pissed off Steve 😔
Steve saved the greetings to have more power to Say X3D
Great stuff, Steve! I would love to see MSFS included in future CPU comparisons, since it's such a CPU-heavy (and poorly multi-threaded) title.
He tried a while back, but due to the way the licensing works, it's a PITA to benchmark. So he stopped using it. I agree though, it would be nice.
Nice one Steve. Started to think about updating my 5700xt which within a day has spiralled to thinking about doing a full rebuild from AM4/3600 (excluding the nvme). Really informative seeing these comparisons, plus the cost of B650 and DDR5. Total no brainer.
5800X3D gang
@@tilapiadave3234 Best in socket upgrade
@@tilapiadave3234 Explain your opinion
Are you happy now that you got your 21st video of this crap?
@@ArcticVXR1 is that a vauxhall? :D
7800X3D here, I love my 5800X3D homies.
Nothing but love here on the velvet red team, we aren't the elitists of team blue and team green.
Us 5800X3D owners just need the copium that we made the right choice and don’t need to upgrade, thanks Steve!
Have to remember that there is both the audience of people looking to buy a cpu as well as the audience of people that already bought one and now want to watch videos to reaffirm their purchasing decision. This is why 5800x3d owners will keep wanting to see videos about it.
lol, so true
Thanks Steve!! Probably should start video number 22 on this soon. 😆I have several AM4 systems at home and a couple of LGA 1700 boxes as well. Between my secondary system on AM4 and 3 more for the kids none are running the x3d parts. They are all on 3600s and one 5600x and I'm not going to upgrade to either the 58 or 5700x3d at all. These systems still perform fine with paired with their RTX 3060, 3060ti and 6700xt GPUs. Looking forward to the next gen CPUs from AMD and Intel personally before doing anything. Plan to skip the first gen AM5 parts and maybe wait for the next socket all together. As always massive props for HUB all the work put into benching , re benching and benching some more.
With 1440p + DL-DSR and my 4080 I am really happy with the 5800X3D . I love this CPU!
ACC is awesome! Thanks for continuing to include it in your benchmarks. Much appreciated
Sick, as someone who just upgraded their GTX 1080 to a 4070 Super, but still deciding between staying on AM4 and upgrading from a Ryzen 3700x to 5800x3d or going full AM5 and getting a 7800x3d, this is great, ty! I honestly think because I'm 1080p 144hz for life, I will probably get more lifetime out of AM4 and just go 5800x3d, and skip AM5 entirely and then upgrade the next time they release a new motherboard series. In the UK the price difference between 5800x3d and 5700x3d is only like £35, doesn't make sense to go for the lower CPU at these breakpoints.
@@tilapiadave3234 they already have the RAM and board for the 5800X3D though
I’m in the same boat with a 3700X and 1070ti.
Still am very happy with my 7700x with 64gb 6000 30cl
@@tilapiadave3234 That's the difference between £250 for a 5800x3d, or £350 for a 7800x3d + £130 for an AM5 mobo + £200 for 64gb DDR5 ram. £250 vs £680 not really worth it. I can skip AM5 and then get a bigger performance upgrade on their next motherboard vertical to AM6. And yes I utilise 64gb ram for design software.
That's the conclusion I came to. With a 5800X3D my 3090 is often the bottleneck at 4K anyway, so there isn't much point to upgrading the CPU just yet. I should be able to ride out AM5 I think. If not, I'll have take a look at the current offerings.
Amazing review and totally the best cost analysis of the two options. Well done Steve.
Now back to you Steve
The reason for using 720p/1080p for CPU gaming benchmarks is simple:
1) FPS is a combined result of CPU and GPU performance and is always the slower of the two.
2) A CPU's function is to operate game mechanics and send draw calls to the GPU.
3) A CPU's performance is not affected by resolution or graphics settings.
4) A GPU's performance is significantly affected by resolution and graphics settings.
Therefore, a CPU will have the same performance at 2160p that it does at 720p. Since the FPS rate is always determined by the smallest performance number of the CPU and GPU, a benchmarker will make it very easy on the GPU with low resolution so that we can see what the CPU can do when not encumbered by an overworked GPU.
There, I said it for you Steve! 😁
was gonna question this, Thanks AvroBellow!
my favorite content provider! but I am glad you included the 5800x3d and 7950x3d in this comparison, as I really wanted to see those 2 due to personal reasons of my own setup(many kid computers), thank you!!
Steve, understand us! We love to see you saying "X3D" in the videos! Without joking now, these videos are amazing! You do a great work!
thanks for the new video, having 5800x3d inbetween these + competitive settings in CS2 really makes sense for a lot of people to decide if they need to upgrade or not, competitive Fortnite aiming for 300fps would've been nice to see too, cuz upgrading from 5800x3d to 7800x3d at the moment makes sense only if you own 4090 and/or gonna do competitive Esports, otherwise the performance gains are slim to none
Your 7950x3d results are better than launch videos a lot and in the last video you mentioned scheduling the games onto the cache cores. Did you mean you’re doing that or are you using AMDs automatic game mode stuff?
Windows has improved the 7950x3d experience a lot, there are still some applications where it kind of doesn't know what to do, but for gaming it's pretty great now
Steve, thanks for remaking the video with the 5800X3D, I still think it's an interesting topic and worth including if nothing else for easy comparison. It lets people who are still on AM4 judge if it's worth jumping to AM5, or just going for a 5800X3D.
Very Happy with the 5800x3d performance, especially with it undervolted.
this animation in the cost analysis was great Unfortunately, this something came to the conclusion but I would like these to be used more often.
gives the channel a little more fresh and looks "higher quality"
We know steve loves the benchmarking, it's not a chore ;)
Thanks for the update, Steve. Despite you having previous 5800X3D comparisons, the value here is seeing it in your current, 2024 selection of games. I'm bookmarking this for the next 6 months of "should I upgrade my AM4 CPU or buy a whole new AM5 system?" questions!
Depends on your budget. Unless you're looking at 78x3d.. I would buy the 58x3d.
Patiently wating for video 22! Honestly, the 5800X3D is one of the best computer purchases I've ever made, second only to buying AM4 in the first place. The Celeron 300 (450mhz OC) back in 1999 is up there too, haha.
Bro I feel the exact way about mine. I upgraded from a 7 1700 and still using a B350.
Celeron 300A is the all time GOAT of overclocking.
@@AndyViant We'll never see 50% overclocks again, sadly.
@@Invid72 not all of them could do 50% overclock. A few could do more.
But 95%+ could do a 50% overclock on stock cooler with stock voltages which was truly insane.
These days a 50% O/C usually needs massive voltage changes, a silicon lottery jackpot, and insane cryo cooling.
@@AndyViant Mine did 50% on stock voltage but I could never get it stable pushing the front side bus past 100MHz so it topped out at 450Mhz. Still enough to be faster than the Pentium II which cost 4 times as much. Crazy.
Thank you guys for doing all the testing, it's so amazingly helpful!
Had an am4 board and got the 5800x3d and I'm so so happy
I got a 5800X3D for $290 during Thanksgiving Day sale last year. I haven't even put it in my machine yet because I'm waiting for my new case.
It's replacing a Ryzen 1600X. I also got a 4080 Super to replace my gtx 1070. I'm hoping to get 5 to 6 years out of this cpu and wait for AM5 to mature a bit.
Very cool animations for the platform cost comparisons!
Did you use any schedule software for 7900x3d and 7950x3d or only AMD Driver?
Knowing steve in his other video: (he answer himself): Just amd drivers, no lassa software
I do have the 7950X3D and I like to say for comparison, that this CPU is made by the 7700X plus the 7800X3D.
In comparison to the 7700X has this CPU a 300MHz higher boostclock on the eaquivalent part of the CPU and in comparison to the 7800X3D, the boostclock is 200MHz higher on the equivalent part of the CPU.
Basic-Clockspeeds with none optimization!
You can turn OFF the CCD without the X3D-Cache in the BIOS, but only if you do this at stock-settings. After that, you can save a profile with this basic-setting and after that, you can adjust what ever you want and save it into this profile as well. At the end, you got the luxury choice, to create profiles for higher workloads with both CCD's active or just a gaming profile only with the CCD0.
Using the 7950X3D as a 7700X or as a 7800X3D will how ever gain you higher boostclocks and this way more performance.
In sight of pricing comes the 7950X3D here for at minimum 599€, but the 7700X and the 7800X3D together would cost 643,48€ and if you switch between them, you would have to rebuild a part of your system every time and you aren't able to use them together and that's why I think, that the 7950X3D is a great deal.
By Optimization, my CCD1 boosts up to 5.820MHz what's +120MHz above basic-boostclocks, ... the overall core-performance is also increased ..., but how ever this is at the end 420MHz above the performance of the 7700X.
My CCD0 with the X3D-Cache equal to a 7800X3D is boosting up to 5.397MHz what's an additional uplift by 197MHz against stock-settings and this is at the end 397MHz above the basic-boostclock of a 7800X3D.
You can turn and twist the infos as you want - the 7950X3D is that beast of a CPU.
- So much performance for the price and this possibilities to optimize my system is more that I ever imagined.
@Cyberpunk 2077 with Preset "HIGH" with the 7950X3D CCD1=Off in combination with a RTX 3090 Ti:
1% low: fps
AVG: 215(.13)fps
@Cyberpunk 2077 with Preset "HIGH" with the 7950X3D CCD0+1=On in combination with a RTX 3090 Ti:
1% low: fps
AVG: 185(.11)fps
1% low I still have to record (if wished by comments).
VS.
1% low: 165fps
AVG: 186fps
With a tested 7950X3D and a RTX 4090.
VS.
1% low: 175fps
AVG: 194fps
With a tested 7800X3D and a RTX 4090.
You are absolutely right!
@@serguei1029 Thank you!^^
The only problem that I got with AM5 is, that when ever a Bios-Update appears, I have to research all working values again after the update.
- That sux ...
I have a 5700x. Not the 3D one just the regular one. I had an RTX 4090 at one point and I sent it back because I was concerned about the CPU bottleneck. Now I have an RTX 4070 Ti Super. I believe at 1080p there would still be some bottleneck but at 1440p where I actually play I just wonder about that.
Zen 3 is not powerful enough for that gpu, watch 5600x paired with 4080 video.
Good timing HUB. I ordered new AM5 items and moving to that from AM4 5800X3D. Decided now its time with 7800X3D and new GPU.
Zen5 comes this year so i'm ready to check if its worth to upgrade cpu or wait. Ether way i'm ready to use AM5 4-5 years as i did with AM4.
I cant wait for 9800X3D/9900X3D or 9950X3D!
I want to upgrade from 10850K.. 13900K and 14900K doesnt feel that appealing due to lower clocks and so hot chips.. I dont want a furnace in my room and high power bill!
wouldn't have to run the furnace in the winter here in the north as much. lol
@@onomatopoeia162003 furnace.. AMD isnt worse than Intel.. before the ¨intel default profile¨ 13900K etc would run to 100 degrees.. so.
i'm a simple man, i see the 20th video of Steve testing the 3D cache zen cpus, I press like ;)
I’m currently on am4 and cannot afford to change mobo right now. However, I’ve been meaning to get a gpu for a while now and have settled on wanting a 4080. Currently I’m rocking a 5600x with 32gb 3600mhz ram. I was wondering if I should upgrade my cpu to the 5800x3d as I’m playing ultra wide or wait for the XT variants to come out later this year on am4 as they might be better than the x3d? I’m looking to play at high/ultra and my monitor is 3440x1440p @ 144hz. Any help would be appreciated guys :). P.s. I’m just worried about the bottlenecks rlly I guess.
Thanks for the update, I can wait for Zen6. There will be a significant uplift in gaming for the 5800x3d. I have been very happy with my combo 5800x3d and 4090 with 32gb Cl14. I also am a proud owner of the Antec Performance F1 case, no need to upgrade if your on AM4 with 5800x3d.
if you game at 4K I suspect the difference will be totally marginal and not worth the upgrade. The problem with 1080P and a 4090 is that it's a ridiculous mostly unlikely pairing.
@eaglemmoomin_418
I went from 1660 super and the 3600x, to 5800x3d and the 4090. That was a big jump in fps and quality at 4k.
It would be really nice with an AMD vs Nvidia comparison in situations where you are CPU bottlenecked. Similar to the R5 5600 scaling video, but comparing cards from both manufacturers. The current video only included Nvidia GPUs, but historically Nvidia has had more driver overhead, causing performance loss to be greater in CPU limited situations compared to AMD. Is this still the case? How large is this effect currently?
5800x3d and a 4090 here. Much appreciated to see it included. I’m waiting one more generation before upgrading. If the best amd has to offer is ~20% better performance, then next gen should be a well worthwhile upgrade
They won't offer ~20% better with AM5, 6,7,8,9 etc.
depending on resolution.......please remember that.
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 right.
LOL Answered the "do we really need another 5800X3D" before you answered it!!!
I always thought the 5800X3D was comparable to the 7700X which is good i know it's not holding back my 4070Ti Super. Good more me as i didn't want to invest in a new motherboard and memory just yet anyway.
Thanks for the video. I was debating whether I should have spent the extra money and gone from the 3800x to 7700x, instead of just upgrading the cpu to the 5800x3d. Looking at these, I think I made the right choice for the next few years. I might upgrade to the am5 platform when they get to zen 6. Those numbers showed me that my real bottleneck is my 5700xt. I'm hoping that the next release of nvidia/amd graphics gives us something good in the mid level. I feel it's too close to the next release to consider existing gpus.
In the same position as you, waiting for 5070. Just hoping they at least have 16gb vram this time
I just do not understand why y'all are so reluctant to do videos on the 5800x3d!
I hope you read this
whole interest in X3D cpus are because of their specialty in handling 0.1% and 1% lows IN GAMES WITH HEAVY AI and tons of units moving around AND STUFF. which are typically RTS, isometric base buildy games like starcraft 2, company of heroes series, call to arms ostfront, riftbreaker, factorio, age of empires series. I hope you make a benchmark on these obscure games with these processors. also if you have time please couple these cpus with older and midrange gpus too. not everybody who desires 5800x3d for specific games going to buy an rtx4090!
Those that have a 7950x3d. Set the cpu to prefer cache in bios (ccd0) and put a negative offset of at least 20 on those ccd0 cores (first 8) in curve optimizer.
Suprised many of these "Benchmark" videos dont show this, it makes a significant differance.
Yes the Ryzen 9 3Ds results are basically rigged in this video, they have up to 20% performance difference with manual overclocking, windows is using the non 3D cores.
Just note that while getting away with -20 is probably fine for the lower clocked X3D CCD, it does depend on your silicon lottery luck whether your CPU can do it. I had my 7950X (non-X3D) running ok with -20 for a while, but after heating up under heavy load it occasionally got unstable and I had to be a little less aggressive on that setting. So do your stability testing if you do this. I would recommend lowering the value until you see instability, then back off by ~5mV to be on the safe side.
@@Hugh_I Absolutely, however on a 7950x3d -20 is the generic recomended safe bet for people that arent overly confident in OC practices. You would have to be really unlucky to get a 7950x3d where a negative offset of 20 isnt acheivable. The key part to killer gaming performance is really setting the cpu to favor that 3d cache anyway.
@@user-fg6mq3dg3d Right!, blows my mind that in these gaming performance benchmarks they dont show what these cpu's are really capable of for gameing. Just lazy.
Nah. If he wants to add overclocking as a separate data point, that's fine, but it definitely shouldn't be represented as the standard for any given chip.
Am I the only one having the biggest smile and thinking "it was so the best idea I had to buy that 7800X3D" ? 😄 WORTH IT!!
I wasn’t even going to buy it originally I was going to get a 5800x3d or hop early on am5 with a 7600/x but then I started buying part by part and realized if I’m buying new and don’t want to drop in another cpu for as long as I can, 7800X3D FTW
Moar benchmarks!
I quick slide at the beginning of the video with rough equivalents could remind folks of similar performing parts on the same-ish platform and save you some time benchmarking. Assuming people read them! Although performance might be a known quantity, there are some amazing deals on AM4 and intel 12th gen right now that might be driving interest in how last gen parts compare with current gen. 12th gen intel and AM4 non X3d parts are straight up budget priced right now, allowing builders on a budget to get pretty insane levels of CPU performance even if limited by their GPU. Honestly this is the best time to build a PC even if the higher end GPUs are pricey.
Playing with the 7700x in 4k with a 4090, it doesn't feel like im missing out on cpu with the x3D.
It is sad not having 4k comparison.
At 4K its likely not. I compared my 7800X3D to a spare system I had with a regular 7600 and at 4K with a 4090 it was within like 5% in almost every game. Going down to 1440p the gap gets wider.
Mostly right but, do you use dlss? If so you may not be playing 4k... With a 4090 who cares lol I'm sure you're perf is awesome
Picked up a 7600X for $199. I'm good enough now in wait mode till next gens X3D version
Obviously. Saw a video a couple of days ago about the cheap 13400F vs 14900K in 4K with a 4090 and they performed exactly the same since you are almost always GPU bound and when you are not (lets say in CS GO) it doesn't matter whether you pull 300 or 400 fps
I'm in the process of upgrading one of my AM4 systems to 5700X3D, adding 32 gigs of 3600 CL16 ram, with a 7900 GRE for one of my grandsons. I'm also building an AM5 system from scratch with the 7800X3D and 7900XTX.
You can never have too much 5800X3D. Apparently.
Maybe we need a 5800x3d x 1080 ti modern day benchmarks. So what if those parts released 5 years apart. GOAT means the hardware is timeless... right?
That's right, NO CPU VIDEOS without the R7-5800X3D EVER AGAIN!
This just shows how revolutionary the R7-5800X3D was. I'll still be using mine for years to come. My display is 2160p60Hz and the 5800X3D won't lose its ability to do 60FPS anytime soon. I know this took a lot of work on your part so, to paraphrase Intel....
"THANKS STEVE!" 😁
The 7900x 3D should have been 8+4 with the 3D cache on the 8 core side.
No, because how would they get rid of the 3D CCDs with 1-2 bad cores? Thats the whole point of this part, to get rid of the ones that don't make an 8-core lmao
@@arc00ta I agree, all 8 cores should be 3D, with 4 normal cores on the second chip. chips with 1 or 2 bad cores can go to 7700x3d (similar to 5700x3d). Chips with 1 or 2 broken cores can be 7600x3d. If you are paying that much for a 3d chip, why would you want a nerfed 3d chip? Would also allow AMD to charge a reasonable amount for the 7900x3d, instead of constant sales. The only problem really is the lack of defective chips that need to be reduced all the way down to 4 cores.
@@mikesteve3039 You can agree with whatever you want, it doesn't stop the 3D stacked dies from having faulty cores. Going by the 5000 series, they don't have enough of them to waste on 6-core parts until the socket is almost done (5600X3D).
@@arc00ta Wait...so there is not enough faulty chips to make a 7600x3d... but there IS enough to make the 7900x3d? You are contradicting yourself right there.
The 6 core parts in the 7900x3d should have gone into the 7600x3d instead. And the 7900x3d should have 8 3d cores, and a slightly higher price to account for the better chip.
@@mikesteve3039 higher margins butthead, they’re not your friends. Why would they use them for a 6 core when they can make you buy an 8 or 12 core? Use your brain.
this is the most likeable, sympathetic and reliable channel for hardware on the whole youtube platform.
i have a 5800X3D and I'm ready to upgrade to AM5 and get it over with. Gonna get the 7800X3D
I built a 7600x this year and I am not sad about it :D
Thanks for adding the 5800X3D! Great to see how I compare to the newer parts and determine when I want to upgrade.
I owned a 5800x3D for a month and then sold it and a board for $380 and went x670/7600x for basically the same price. Now have two 7800x3D and two 7600x builds a couple
Months later. AM4 is starting to get sold off when good offers come in.
Just picked up a 3rd 7800X3D new for $220 locally. Replaced a 7600X in my X670/6700XT hooked up to a 4k 144hz screen. It also supports 240hz @ 1080p which seems to be the way to game on this setup for the higher refresh rate. My AM4 systems are getting sold off sooner then expected.
It’s amazing how well the 5800X3D performs to its zen 4 counterparts. If just gaming, there’s no reason to get the other standard cpus anymore. The 3D VCache is really putting in the work and I expect game engines to really take advantage of it in the near future as we see not all take advantage of the cache yet.
I've been using 5800x3d for a year and most likely will be my last path in AM4 platform.. I paired it with B550 Unify-X, bought last week to replace the "granpa" C6H. I know its an old B550 board, but this channel keep convince me that 5800x3d still has some gas in 2024 regardless its price. Therefore, I want to max out its potential before moving forward to new socket. Great experience so far in all games I played (thankfully I don't play those AAA titles except CS2). Great video, as always!!
Good idea of putting a "benchmarking basics" video link in the description.
To no effect. The comments are full of people demanding gpu buying advice from a cpu review.
@@blegi1245 Yeah, but at least you can say "check the link in the description since you obviously don't know how this works."
Honestly, I appreciate you putting in the best of AM4 into reviews. It lets me know when I newd to start thinking about upgrading. Its getting there but this stack up helped put things in perspective. Being stacked up to the 7700x is a good spot imo for a previous gen CPU.
I wasnt necessarily a fan of the tude but I do appreciate the work.
Thank you.
I'd love to see a comparison between standard 5000 series ryzen vs the 7000 and X3D cpus. I have a 5900x, and so the 5800x3d isn't really for me, but im curious how much better a modern cpu is, as i do seem to be cpu bottlencked in some games using a 6800xt gpu at 1440p. I'll of course be waiting for the next gen of CPUs before upgrading, so would be interested in a video comparison against those too. Great video!
Steve gets hit with the "But I want to se MY part in the chart!" chanting hard! :D
I bought the 7950X3D fully expecting it to forever be (an insignificant amount, by my standards) slower than the 7800X3D in gaming, but I'm rather surprised to see that it actually came out with identical performance these days. Not that it matters much, as an XTX at 1440p with everything cranked up until I drop to 90-100FPS (and older titles generally capped to 100FPS) it won't ever fully stretch it's legs. And since I'm probably upgrading soon again, for multi threading performance rather than gaming performance, I will never end up placing any real demand on it.
Just built a new 7700x gaming rig for my son, I did strongly consider the 5800x3d, but wanted an upgrade path and ddr5, thanks for the validation! Overall he's happy with his new computer.
I personally appreciate that you included this comparison, as at the time it was a premium of 300-500 to purchase the 7000 series CPUs. I would be greatly appreciative if, in the future, the inclusion of the 5000 series x3d chips is also considered. We would all understand if these changes occur down the line.
Thank you for #21. This is the one CPU X3D comparison video to rule them all. Sometimes, more (CPUs) is not better. Lots of gamers have made the decision to move to an X3D CPU and at that point, all the non-X3D results are just noise.
I also appreciate putting the CPUs in version rank rather than by performance. Saves me a lot of time hunting for the CPU I am most interested in.
Do I see a trend of the X800 X3D CPUs becoming the gaming standard of each generation?
Awesome analysis, as usual. I just upgraded my system from 5600X/32 3200Mhz CL16/Asus B450 mobo to 7700/32GB 6400 CL32/ASRock B650M PG Riptide and I am happy. Retained my older 3080Ti and got new 4k Gigabyte M32UC (from LG 27GN850). Tweaked my system with PBO +200, CO -30 all cores, adjusted TDP parameters and memory 6400 @CL30 with FCLK=2133Mhz = it is now besting standard 7700X, and with AIO cooling running at 70% max is quite. Next upgrade will definitely be 9800X3D. and maybe RTX 5070Ti/Super. :)
P.S. May I suggest to do 1440p as default testing with such CPUs and GPU and also include AAA like Alan Wake 2 and the likes ... intensive ones.
Just today I was thinking "I wonder how the 5800X3D is keeping up currently" and here you are. Coming in clutch as always. lmao
where is that B650 motherboard atx size at ~120$???? most of them cost around 200$
Super cool Antec sponsored this video. The Performance 1 Silent is such a good case and it has an option for a solid side panel for those who don't want the glass fishbowl look. great cooling and great design for a full size case
I think the reason that having some older equipment is valuable is to show potential upgrade options for people looking to make new builds. So they can get an idea of what they'll get for their money. But as you mentioned, just look at other CPU's which are comparable to yours in those benchmarks to get an idea.
Man, what a beast this zen3 3d part is.. 👏
Sitting here on a 3950x & considering a system upgrade
Including the 5800 & 5700 even if just briefly, was very helpfull to really consider if i'm doing a full system or CPU only upgrade
Seriously 5800X3d is good enough to see you through to AM6
@@AndyViant that's one alternative i'm considering
@@AndyViantYeah, I had expected to want to upgrade my 5800X3D to Zen5, but I'm leaning toward waiting for AM6 now. It does everything I need and then some already. Maybe if I upgrade to an RTX 5090 or something... idk.
This video is just what I need. I was looking at upgrading my R5 3600, and maybe a R7 5xxxx is right for me! Thanks
Where did the Ryzen 5 7600x3d come from in your list? I searched the Internet and I didn't find such a processor, there's not even a slight mention of it existing!
I don't give a crap about the 5800X3D, but I'm giving this a like for all the snark and sarcasm.
Steve we have the memory of a newt thank you for the new benchmarks :P. I expect a recheck in 6 months I will have forgotten all of this again.. Cheers!