Thank you for the comparisons. At 10:15, a very good example of how black-level noise is greatly attenuated. Amazing what 2 additional bits can do! At 13:14, a shame that kirk's toupee wasn't "restored"!
I just finished watching the 4K director's cut and it gave me the chills. The picture, the VFX, and the pacing are a colossal improvement from the film I saw in the theater back in 1979. I hope Robert Wise would be proud of this edition.
I loved this 4K version it is night and day over the original Blu-ray version. The directors cut and new effects didn’t ruin the film at all only enhanced it. Absolutely loved this transfer
It’s not just the 4k transfer and digital restoration and re-compositing - they finally used the ADR that was recorded, but never used back in the 70’s. Always thought the film sounded muddy. The “new” audio has much better line readings.
@@andrewmillar1980 Because the film wasn’t originally finished. The effects work was incomplete, the ADR wasn’t used, and Robert Wise did not have the opportunity in 1979 to edit the film the way he would have preferred. None of the enhancements to the film have been overly egregious and have been in the vein of what the Director intended.
@@johnarcarese172 Paramount + doesn't launch here in the UK until the 22nd of this month so looking forward to giving this a watch George Lucas and his overzealous Star Wars "improvements" cause me to always worry about change
@@andrewmillar1980 the film as released was only the first cut, the reels where literally still wet at the premier and no one had seen it through properly before hand, the 2001 Directors Cut was the definitive version of the film and this is simply an update on the graphics
I like how you used the rejected Drydock music by Goldsmith for the video - it just shows how Robert Wise was important for the franchise when he made Jerry go back to the drawing board to give us one of the greatest musical themes in the past century...
IMO Jerry Goldsmith's Star Trek: The Motion Picture musical score is the by far the best ever of all of the ST films musical-scores (The second being the score for ST-II).
Amen! This film was truly Goldsmith's masterpiece. He, himself, cited it as his favorite score he had ever done. And it really is the heart and soul of the film. TMP relies on the music in a way that few movies have. The original music for the reveal of the Enteprise was okay and would have worked fine, but when Robert Wise sent Goldsmith back to the drawing board and asked him to create an actual theme, he really inspired Goldsmith to produce something that was absolutely brilliant. It is absolutely criminal that the score did not win an Oscar, but that's Hollywood politics for you.
Man, this is unbelievable and I will be buying again all the movies in 4k. It’s almost like the beauty of the film is diminished or lost because of video quality. To see the detail you just showed here is absolutely amazing. I’m a huge trek fan all my life
Now this film makes AI into a monster that won't listen to us. Just like other people refusing to listen to strangers. This is a whole new way of looking at the film. AI make our life impossible live. They won't listen to us.
I have both the 2001 DVD and the 2022 Remastered Director's Cut, and the difference is incredible. The old version was noticeably dark and grainy in some shots, especially V'Ger approaching Earth.
TMP was my first film in the theater as a kid and remains one of my favorite film experiences to this day. The 4K certainly looks crisp and clean (in most cases) - the two things that don't work very well are 1) The observation lounge compositing when the trek trio meet for their chat (many have said this already) and for me 2) the V'ger Vessel at the end. The 4K changes the rotation to face front and the effects here just seem too much or off for my taste. Here I prefer the 2001 version update. What I WISH was added to the film itself with the required VFX is when the security guard is vaporized by the V'Ger Light Probe on the bridge. It's in the comic adaptation and would have kept up the red shirt tradition from TOS. Even though everyone is NOT wearing very vibrant colors. Imagine the 4K version color pops if everyone were wearing TOS era colors! Drool.
Thank you. These comparison shots are actually like for like. Alot of original vs director edition videos have not used shot for shot images. This has finally sold me on the 4K remaster! Thank you again!
ITS ABOUT TIME! Having loved the 2001 D.E. I've waited all these years for an HD update of one of my all time favorites. Great comparison video. Really shows off how great this movie really looks!!!
Thanks for doing this, it's great to see them back to back. Most of it looks decent. The one that stands out to me is the observation lounge change at 9:01. The new version looks horrible, especially in video. The actors are out of focus and the background is too sharp. The matting around them makes it look worse than a green screen 😲
9:04 Oh, how come they changed the windows? I always thought that scene with Kirk, Spock and McCoy was in a different room on the Enterprise from where we see Spock's shuttle out of a window. Looking at how the starboard nacelle was positioned in the 2001 release, I thought the room with the trio was located round the rear starboard section of the primary hull. Plus if you look at the windows round that part of the ship, they actually match the original windows in that scene.
@@Pavel_M_Mihalik Yes, that's where we see Spock's shuttle coming in to lock on and then depart. But in previous releases, the scene with Kirk, Spock and McCoy was clearly meant to be in another section of the Enterprise.
@@Pavel_M_Mihalik No it isn't, they've just Lucas-ed it to be the same as the Enterprise-D. But it's a big fuck-up, as if you look at any model of the Constitution Class refit, nowhere on the ship is as high as where they're now meeting.
Haven't seen the 4k directors cut yet. Looks impressive though. Robert Wise would be impressed I think. I was 9 when I saw it in the pictures. Ah lads, thats 42 years ago!
It's a mixed bag of changes.. personally, I prefer the VFX additions in the 2001 version for the most part; they fit far better into the late 1970s aesthetic of the movie.
Trying to finish what it would have looked like in 1979 vs how Robert Wise would have done it now if he was still here in the 4K version. Though I think it is mostly tastefully done, it hasn't been Lucasized. It hasn't been Cameroned or Peter Jacksoned.
Can’t wait for the release of this classic in 4K UHD Blu-ray later this year. I was praying that Paramount wouldn’t screw this up. Looks like they may have actually exceeded my expectations.
This Star Trek film means a lot to me and I have the 2001 DVD. Thank you for the comparison and I am purchasing the 4K as soon as possible. Respect to the great Robert Wise.
Easily was the best remaster of a classic film in 2022! So much work and dedication went into the fine details with this remastering. Completely revitalized it to a different level, vs the Theatrical version.
Aggravatingly, Paramount US decided to release the 4K disc and Bluray disc as separate SKUs, unlike their other 4K _Star Trek_ film releases which include both 4K and Bluray in the same package. Now I'm trying to decide which version to get since I only have one 4K disc player in my house. All my other players (such as the one in my bedroom) are Bluray. The UK release includes 4K and Bluray but is double the price with international shipping.
Yeah, back in the early days of DVD - they would compress the crap out of the Film, so they could fit as much "interactive" menus and Easter eggs on the Disk as possible. Usually the VHS version looked a bit better than the first wave DVD version, on account VHS had a much larger "Storage Capasity"
Just remember that plenty of people where still using tube televisions, Hi Def had just come out! Stone knives and bearskins where the tech of the day! XD
Gotta love the quality of DVD when it first came out. Most of the time it wasn't worth the upgrade from VHS yet but eventually it was with time. Same with the jump from DVD to Blu Ray when that originally happened too.
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven Most DVDs looked great on RT televisions though. You didn't really notice how garbage the compression was unless you were viewing it on some high end HD monitor.
4k conversion seems to suffer when there are matte EFX involved. Also lots of dpi mismatches, which was common back then when compositing analog materials. But not as bad as the SW: The Phantom Menace release print.
After the awful Trek blurays with hideous DNR, it's about time we got some lovely rescans in glorious 4k. I have to say though I question the DVD grabs, as I've never noticed compression artefacts quite that bad-- only when the gamma is ramped up too high do you get weird stuff like blocks and banding to that degree.
I re-watched the DVD last year, the Director's Cut is the best version but the DVD looks like crap on a new 4K TV, so glad it's finally getting the upgrade it deserves.
Thank you for this! I can hardly wait for my set to arrive this week. It’s like seeing a postcard of a place and then finally being there. The differences are tremendous! ❤️
I saw this film when it was originally released in theaters in 1979. I was 9 years old at the time. I was lucky enough to score the newest 4k disc release (9/6/22) from Target the other day after it was sold out everywhere. Can’t wait to watch it. Does anyone know if this newest version I speak of is even more improved over the 4K version in this video?
Hey Moon, Another top notch comparison that helps me to decide whether or not to double dip for some of my favorites. I had to settle for the $89.00 collector’s edition as all the versions seem to be on back order already. I’ll be picking it up this weekend and thanks again for your hard work and love of film! 😎
08:55 This is the shot from the DVD that bothered me. I'm glad they changed the height of the warp engines in the window, and the resolution. On an old tube TV, you wouldn't notice the detail, but on a 2021 television... yikes!
They changed the height of the nacelle because the scene seems to be moved from the large recreation deck that is on the trailing edge of the saucer - and has rectangular windows as in the original scene - to the official lounge that is on the back of the bridge. That latter area is several decks above the former, and this is why the warp engines now appears comparatively lower in the shot.
@@andreabindolini7452 They are too low now though. Also look how badly they matted it. The Big-E in drydock scene has the worst of it though. A few of those shots make me shudder with how badly the composting of Earth behind the dock is done and how you can see the frame cut lines at the bottom of the shuttle when it's about to start backing up to dock to the Big-E. I checked and the issues aren't present in the 4K Theatrical Cut of that scene so it's odd. I would have thought they would have used that as the template to build the 2021 DE from, but apparently not. It would have saved them a lot of time, effort, money, and likely could have avoided this. It's reminding me of the TNG remaster effort in that way. Thankfully those issues are more spread out and only affect some episodes in a couple seasons.
@@shanenokes1170 Since the new shots in the remastered versions are claimed to be consistent with those realized or planned in 1979, as if they were realized back then, consistency is actually an improvement. OK they could have raised a bit the nacelles in both scenes , but frankly I'm not bothered by this small inaccuracy.
You should check out episodes of Inglorious Treksperts discussing TMP the 2001 DE and the new 4K. For this release they had access to stuff they didn’t have in 2001 and the original de was only done at 480p
Quite True. And in some cases a Early DVD were Downgraded to 360p Resolution if the Disk had Multiple Episode of a Show or if had several 3+ minute Animated custom menus ( such in the Case of the Cat In The hat live action film release) Edit: But now of days DVD and BluRay use a Stock Image for the menu.
Loved the new version and think it's now one of the best Star Trek movies! The audio and visual updates are fantastic! You know they did a good job when a 5 and 6 year old kid watch the full movie and clap at the end!!
Glad they enjoyed it as TMP has been notorious for being deemed boring for years, especially once the journey through the Cloud and V'Ger happens. The editing on both sequences was tightened up a bit for the DC so that helps.
Can't wait to witness the new version on the big screen this month! purposely holding out till then XD and I'm glad it's coming to physical disc as well so I can add it to my collection.
Years ago I talked to one of the TD's for the 2001 Director's Cut, and how Paramount only gave enough money for a DVD resolution "restoration", with HD parked out front combing it's hair and straightening it's tie. So much of what was in the director's cut came from elaborate storyboards of stuff that they didn't have time to make. I don't know if there's 4k in the 70mm format even if they went back to camera negatives (ala Star Wars Special Edition) unless you like film grain & and matte lines. So there's some digital sweetening going on here. I'm interested to see if the audio changes of the director's cut were carried over. I want to see this, but I don't have a 4k display. Note- that last music track in the comparison is an unused, dry dock music track, before there was an Enterprise theme.
The audio mix is completely new. There's a ton of new background sounds (machinery, doors, computers, ship engines...) that make the movie feel like you're really there, plus the soundtrack was either re-recorded (I'm not really sure about it) or re-edited in Dolby Atmos.
@@Pavel_M_Mihalik The new audio mix is amazing. I love the almost heart pumping sound the main engine gives now as well as various other audio changes here and there. They even put in the original mix for the Main Title as it was heard in the theatrical cut versus the 2001 DVD release which used the album version for some reason.
In the 2022 director's cut edition, the scene, which takes place in Kirk's quarters, is the least successful in terms of special effects. The characters outlines are not clear. In front of this new "window" the face of Kirk, Spock or McCoy is "distorted". Not realistic at all. In short, the 1979 version remains the best.
I'm not sure this A/B comparison is entirely fair. I have the 2001 Director's DVD. I compared the version I have with the versions you've show here. The version I have looks a little better than the stills shown to represent the 2001 version. In the 2001 version I have the colors are somewhere between the stills you show for the 2001 version and 4k release. I played back the DVD using VLC media player.
I’m a bit confused. It doesn’t say this is a directors edition or directors cut on the box set in the link. Also,,, why is it only 4 movies when there were 6??
Headed down to pick up my reserved copy of the special longer Edition package I know it's a lot of money and knowing Paramount they probably will release this yet again in a couple of years but I would rather have it with the extra footage then to blow my opportunity on obtaining it without paying over exorbitant prices which is what's going to happen when this hits collectors markets when it's out of print
I love the Director's Edition of this movie but they went overboard on a few of the new FX shots. The Starfleet matte painting scenes in SF and the lounge scene are just godawful -- they should have just left those alone. The lounge scene in particular plays much better in the original cut as there was nothing egregiously wrong with it in the first place. The 2001 version with the added nacel was a minor improvement but the newer version just completely ruins it.
so they dind't use an AI upscaler software, hmm interesting... edit : actually I don't know know, anyway i'm not a star trek fan but i own the 2001 DVD and even me i'm a bit upset by the changes, c'mon 9:04 why the heck they did that ? 11:45 where are the stars there ? did the AI upscaler software thought it was film grain and DNR noise reduction it or it was on pupose or a mistake with a technician ?
Kirk met Bones and Spock in his lounge, which is located in the bridge dome, but due to limited budget and time, the original version of the movie used the wrong background. No upscaler was used for the new version. All film negatives were cleaned up and rescanned in 4K. The "stars" seen around the center of V’ger are probably the sparks that formed the pathway from the central area to the Enterprise.
So in 1979 when we paid for two full price tickets to see ST- TMP in the theater, the producers of the 4k blu-ray ST-TMP are now admitting that we didn't see a complete movie in multiple aspects? REFUND AT WARP SPEED, PLA EASE!!! Scheduling a movie into theaters before it's even finished is bad business and just stupid
I see it like the original Star Wars films. The special editions aren't the original special editions anymore. I understand that for this director's edition they had to do new special effects in order to transfer it to 4k, but why did they have to make big changes to some of them. It's not really the director's cut anymore in my opinion. It's the 4k cut. Looks great, but why did they have to deviate from Robert Wise's original vision in some areas. Don't know.
Making it darker is NOT better. Look at the Batman movies it so dark who knows what is going on. Car cases did he hit someone we"ll cover that up with a Bomb scene. Wonder Woman fight with Cat Woman to dark to see with was happening. Dark Bad-Light Good.
I had the 2001 version back in 2002 yet the new visuals haven't changed much, San Francisco yes updated lighting definition yet takes away some details makes no sense. Would like to see all movies in the franchise, updated yet a director cut well-done nonetheless.
Why do all these so called upgrades always make everything darker and harder to see? I'd prefer the older footage just to be able to watch it more easily.
It's darker to me too. You shouldn't have to turn up the brightness on the TV to see something when you are able to see it in the "original" director's edition.
I don't understand what most of you are in awe about. Most of the updated special effects look absolutely horrible! It looks like someone found some generic 3D rendering software with some free Star Trek models! And the remastered film looks no better than the original blu-ray version that I literally just watched a couple days ago. And whoever was in charge of the color correction needed to ease up on the saturation and de-noise settings.
Whatever crack you're smoking you need to share with the rest of the class because you are seriously on a bad trip there. Stick to your theatrical Blu Ray cut already.
Yeah right ? i don't understand people reactions too, this restoration is a mix bag, I think they used an AI upscaler software and a 3D rendering upscaler software for the CGI like they use these days for video games compilations and some new FX. my previous comment : "i'm not a star trek fan but i own the 2001 DVD and even me i'm a bit upset by the changes, c'mon 9:04 why the heck they did that ? 11:45 where are the stars there ? did the AI upscaler software thought it was film grain and DNR noise reduction it or it was on pupose or a mistake with a technician ?" tbh The Godfather restoration is better, I know there is nearly no special fx in those films but c'mon it comes from Paramount too.
Really they scanned the effects work at 8k and 4k how can it not look better? I can understand not liking the DNR pass they did on them but the 2009 had edge enhancement. The 4K theatrical is what you want, if you want the theatrical no DNR was applied. But that was just scanning the negative of the film in 4k, the Directors Cut actually scanned the original elements. They were then digitally composited back into the movie. So yes all the work they did makes it look like a fresh and brand new movie, it almost looks digital. Too clean. the original 1979 prints out there look like crap. I'd seriously dare someone to scan one of those 35mm release prints it would look worse than the 2009 Blu-Ray but not worse than the Laserdisc.
Ok...that's impressive...they moved Kirk/McCoy/Spock's meeting from the Rec Deck windows to the Officer's Lounge windows. That's always bothered me. This cannot come out soon enough.
I'm not sure why these enhancers believe that darker is better. So many of the interiors are rendered darker and either lead to washed out flesh tones or loss of detail in the background. Look at Kirk's face in the travel pod. In the enhanced version it looks like his face is dirty. Some of the enhanced special effects are markedly better, but that's not surprising. In the old days, transfers from film to DVD often revealed artifacts due to all the moving mattes. Some were addressed very well when additional transfers to Blu-ray were done, particularly with the original Star Wars, with no degradation in original color. As is typically the case with these "re-mastered" and enhanced versions, Star Trek TMP 4K seems to be a mixed bag.
It's because they're mastering for 4K TV displays, which use a backlight element to make highlights pop. On any other device (including a projector) it's going to look too dark even though the black levels are virtually the same.
A separate blu-ray disc is also being released at the same time for a lot less money.... think I will wait to see a comparison between it and the 4k before buying anything. The 4k may not be that much better? After all there is no denying that Star Trek TMP is just a boring movie on all fronts and no amount of picture improvements or editing changes that.
The problem I always had with the DC effects is that they didn't blend in well with the original footage. It was okay on DVD but in 4K those effects look especially bad.
This video wastes its first few minutes boring us to death. Haven't we all sat through DVD menus enough already? I'd suggest an edit or two to get right to whatever you want to say.
The original Director's Edition from 2001 was only mastered at DVD resolution. To release that version in 4K they had to go back and re-create all the changes they'd made.
@@thork6974 No shit. I know that. But from what I've seen on here, the differences don't look that big to buy the movie AGAIN. I mean really, how often do you watch this snore fest? LMAO
its the same O same O just went darker vegers ship looks like star trek voyagers year of hell time ship highly disapointed asside from that no aditional footage thrown in
Thank you for the comparisons.
At 10:15, a very good example of how black-level noise is greatly attenuated. Amazing what 2 additional bits can do!
At 13:14, a shame that kirk's toupee wasn't "restored"!
I just finished watching the 4K director's cut and it gave me the chills. The picture, the VFX, and the pacing are a colossal improvement from the film I saw in the theater back in 1979. I hope Robert Wise would be proud of this edition.
Got nothing to do with being proud.
I bet he would be.
I loved this 4K version it is night and day over the original Blu-ray version. The directors cut and new effects didn’t ruin the film at all only enhanced it. Absolutely loved this transfer
It’s not just the 4k transfer and digital restoration and re-compositing - they finally used the ADR that was recorded, but never used back in the 70’s. Always thought the film sounded muddy. The “new” audio has much better line readings.
And why not paint a moustache on the Mona Lisa ? If this is meant to be art then don't tamper with it
@@andrewmillar1980 Because the film wasn’t originally finished. The effects work was incomplete, the ADR wasn’t used, and Robert Wise did not have the opportunity in 1979 to edit the film the way he would have preferred.
None of the enhancements to the film have been overly egregious and have been in the vein of what the Director intended.
@@johnarcarese172 Paramount + doesn't launch here in the UK until the 22nd of this month so looking forward to giving this a watch George Lucas and his overzealous Star Wars "improvements" cause me to always worry about change
@@andrewmillar1980 the film as released was only the first cut, the reels where literally still wet at the premier and no one had seen it through properly before hand, the 2001 Directors Cut was the definitive version of the film and this is simply an update on the graphics
I like how you used the rejected Drydock music by Goldsmith for the video - it just shows how Robert Wise was important for the franchise when he made Jerry go back to the drawing board to give us one of the greatest musical themes in the past century...
Yes, the final theatrical release version is majorly improved. In particular for the reveal shot.
IMO Jerry Goldsmith's Star Trek: The Motion Picture musical score is the by far the best ever of all of the ST films musical-scores (The second being the score for ST-II).
Jerry's music is half of the experience of watching TMP. He was a bonafide genius, rest his soul.
Amen! This film was truly Goldsmith's masterpiece. He, himself, cited it as his favorite score he had ever done. And it really is the heart and soul of the film. TMP relies on the music in a way that few movies have. The original music for the reveal of the Enteprise was okay and would have worked fine, but when Robert Wise sent Goldsmith back to the drawing board and asked him to create an actual theme, he really inspired Goldsmith to produce something that was absolutely brilliant. It is absolutely criminal that the score did not win an Oscar, but that's Hollywood politics for you.
Man, this is unbelievable and I will be buying again all the movies in 4k. It’s almost like the beauty of the film is diminished or lost because of video quality. To see the detail you just showed here is absolutely amazing. I’m a huge trek fan all my life
_"It’s almost like the beauty of the film is diminished or lost because of video quality."_
It's exactly like that. In fact, it _is_ that.
The ready room window change is almost as dodgy as the cut out corridors in the ESB special edition Cloud city escape.
Love a comparison like this, not just because the director's cut is polished and fixed up, but because it shows how far we've come in 20 years.
Now this film makes AI into a monster that won't listen to us.
Just like other people refusing to listen to strangers.
This is a whole new way of looking at the film.
AI make our life impossible live.
They won't listen to us.
"I know engineers. They love to change things."
I have both the 2001 DVD and the 2022 Remastered Director's Cut, and the difference is incredible. The old version was noticeably dark and grainy in some shots, especially V'Ger approaching Earth.
TMP was my first film in the theater as a kid and remains one of my favorite film experiences to this day. The 4K certainly looks crisp and clean (in most cases) - the two things that don't work very well are 1) The observation lounge compositing when the trek trio meet for their chat (many have said this already) and for me 2) the V'ger Vessel at the end. The 4K changes the rotation to face front and the effects here just seem too much or off for my taste. Here I prefer the 2001 version update. What I WISH was added to the film itself with the required VFX is when the security guard is vaporized by the V'Ger Light Probe on the bridge. It's in the comic adaptation and would have kept up the red shirt tradition from TOS. Even though everyone is NOT wearing very vibrant colors. Imagine the 4K version color pops if everyone were wearing TOS era colors! Drool.
Thank you. These comparison shots are actually like for like. Alot of original vs director edition videos have not used shot for shot images. This has finally sold me on the 4K remaster! Thank you again!
Epic event seeing this film again...improved and on the big screen in all its glory. Wow! what an event that was
ITS ABOUT TIME! Having loved the 2001 D.E. I've waited all these years for an HD update of one of my all time favorites.
Great comparison video.
Really shows off how great this movie really looks!!!
Wow, the new 4K scan is really impressive...
Thanks for doing this, it's great to see them back to back. Most of it looks decent. The one that stands out to me is the observation lounge change at 9:01. The new version looks horrible, especially in video. The actors are out of focus and the background is too sharp. The matting around them makes it look worse than a green screen 😲
9:04 Oh, how come they changed the windows? I always thought that scene with Kirk, Spock and McCoy was in a different room on the Enterprise from where we see Spock's shuttle out of a window. Looking at how the starboard nacelle was positioned in the 2001 release, I thought the room with the trio was located round the rear starboard section of the primary hull. Plus if you look at the windows round that part of the ship, they actually match the original windows in that scene.
Exactly what I thought
The scene takes place in Kirk’s lounge, which is located in the bridge dome.
@@Pavel_M_Mihalik Yes, that's where we see Spock's shuttle coming in to lock on and then depart. But in previous releases, the scene with Kirk, Spock and McCoy was clearly meant to be in another section of the Enterprise.
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No it isn't, they've just Lucas-ed it to be the same as the Enterprise-D. But it's a big fuck-up, as if you look at any model of the Constitution Class refit, nowhere on the ship is as high as where they're now meeting.
Haven't seen the 4k directors cut yet. Looks impressive though. Robert Wise would be impressed I think. I was 9 when I saw it in the pictures. Ah lads, thats 42 years ago!
It's a mixed bag of changes.. personally, I prefer the VFX additions in the 2001 version for the most part; they fit far better into the late 1970s aesthetic of the movie.
Trying to finish what it would have looked like in 1979 vs how Robert Wise would have done it now if he was still here in the 4K version. Though I think it is mostly tastefully done, it hasn't been Lucasized. It hasn't been Cameroned or Peter Jacksoned.
The difference is huge. If it looks this good in stills on my ipad I can only guess how good it looks in motion on a large UHD display!
Can’t wait for the release of this classic in 4K UHD Blu-ray later this year.
I was praying that Paramount wouldn’t screw this up. Looks like they may have actually exceeded my expectations.
This Star Trek film means a lot to me and I have the 2001 DVD. Thank you for the comparison and I am purchasing the 4K as soon as possible. Respect to the great Robert Wise.
Supposedly it's getting a release in September on both 4K and regular Blu Ray along with 4K versions of the remaining classic Trek films as well.
Easily was the best remaster of a classic film in 2022!
So much work and dedication went into the fine details with this remastering.
Completely revitalized it to a different level, vs the Theatrical version.
Aggravatingly, Paramount US decided to release the 4K disc and Bluray disc as separate SKUs, unlike their other 4K _Star Trek_ film releases which include both 4K and Bluray in the same package. Now I'm trying to decide which version to get since I only have one 4K disc player in my house. All my other players (such as the one in my bedroom) are Bluray.
The UK release includes 4K and Bluray but is double the price with international shipping.
Man that dvd was rough.
Yeah, back in the early days of DVD - they would compress the crap out of the Film, so they could fit as much "interactive" menus and Easter eggs on the Disk as possible. Usually the VHS version looked a bit better than the first wave DVD version, on account VHS had a much larger "Storage Capasity"
Just remember that plenty of people where still using tube televisions, Hi Def had just come out! Stone knives and bearskins where the tech of the day! XD
Gotta love the quality of DVD when it first came out. Most of the time it wasn't worth the upgrade from VHS yet but eventually it was with time. Same with the jump from DVD to Blu Ray when that originally happened too.
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven Most DVDs looked great on RT televisions though. You didn't really notice how garbage the compression was unless you were viewing it on some high end HD monitor.
Eh, I still love it. I think it was the second DVD I ever bought.
TY so much for this! This was one of my early VHS and early DVD purchases. Getting this in UHD-BD is going to be a dream come true!
Wow. I'm sold. Just ordered the 4k.
Hope the other 5 are just as good
4k conversion seems to suffer when there are matte EFX involved. Also lots of dpi mismatches, which was common back then when compositing analog materials. But not as bad as the SW: The Phantom Menace release print.
I love how they upgraded the Vyger ship with extra lighting. Whole movie looks great. Day 1 buy
Remarkable. However, I think the 4K re release is way more than revisiting the original negative 😀 Great job!
They reworked some of the effects shots, many of which were never finished for the original theatrical release because of the rushed schedule.
Great comparison. Nice detail to use the early version of "The Enterprise". Jerry Goldsmith was an extraordinary composer.
What a fantastic comparison video. TMP now looks like it was made yesterday. Incredible.
Yes a really nice comparison 🙂🙂 buying 4K Version 😎👍
After the awful Trek blurays with hideous DNR, it's about time we got some lovely rescans in glorious 4k. I have to say though I question the DVD grabs, as I've never noticed compression artefacts quite that bad-- only when the gamma is ramped up too high do you get weird stuff like blocks and banding to that degree.
I re-watched the DVD last year, the Director's Cut is the best version but the DVD looks like crap on a new 4K TV, so glad it's finally getting the upgrade it deserves.
Thank you for this! I can hardly wait for my set to arrive this week. It’s like seeing a postcard of a place and then finally being there. The differences are tremendous! ❤️
I saw this film when it was originally released in theaters in 1979. I was 9 years old at the time. I was lucky enough to score the newest 4k disc release (9/6/22) from Target the other day after it was sold out everywhere. Can’t wait to watch it.
Does anyone know if this newest version I speak of is even more improved over the 4K version in this video?
Dear Scott
It’s identical to my Videos !
I have been a fan of the Director’s Cut since it first came out and with this new 4K release I cannot wait to enjoy it all over again!
OMG this is so good thx Moon🖖🖖🏻🖖🏿
Hey Moon, Another top notch comparison that helps me to decide whether or not to double dip for some of my favorites. I had to settle for the $89.00 collector’s edition as all the versions seem to be on back order already. I’ll be picking it up this weekend and thanks again for your hard work and love of film! 😎
Glad to have helped you with your choice.
Cheers !
Just ordered my copy. And a new 4k Blu-ray player. And a new 4k TV set to watch it on 😎
I love this film. I already own the 2001 director cut DVD and also have the original blu ray. Will be getting the newest version also.
The 4K looks so good .
Excellent comparison video - thank you for putting this together for everyone! :)
08:55 This is the shot from the DVD that bothered me.
I'm glad they changed the height of the warp engines in the window, and the resolution. On an old tube TV, you wouldn't notice the detail, but on a 2021 television... yikes!
They changed the height of the nacelle because the scene seems to be moved from the large recreation deck that is on the trailing edge of the saucer - and has rectangular windows as in the original scene - to the official lounge that is on the back of the bridge. That latter area is several decks above the former, and this is why the warp engines now appears comparatively lower in the shot.
@@andreabindolini7452 They are too low now though. Also look how badly they matted it.
The Big-E in drydock scene has the worst of it though. A few of those shots make me shudder with how badly the composting of Earth behind the dock is done and how you can see the frame cut lines at the bottom of the shuttle when it's about to start backing up to dock to the Big-E.
I checked and the issues aren't present in the 4K Theatrical Cut of that scene so it's odd.
I would have thought they would have used that as the template to build the 2021 DE from, but apparently not. It would have saved them a lot of time, effort, money, and likely could have avoided this.
It's reminding me of the TNG remaster effort in that way. Thankfully those issues are more spread out and only affect some episodes in a couple seasons.
@@shanenokes1170 they are as low as in the other internal shot of the Spock shuttle, that docks at the aft bridge port.
@@andreabindolini7452 That doesn't mean that they aren't sitting too low in the shots. Just that it's consistent.
@@shanenokes1170 Since the new shots in the remastered versions are claimed to be consistent with those realized or planned in 1979, as if they were realized back then, consistency is actually an improvement. OK they could have raised a bit the nacelles in both scenes , but frankly I'm not bothered by this small inaccuracy.
Man, the original sage green color of the K'tinga Class model really comes through in this transfer.
The DVD version looks like a "Story Board" mock up of the Film, compared to the 4K Remaster. ( On account each scene looks dramatically different.)
You should check out episodes of Inglorious Treksperts discussing TMP the 2001 DE and the new 4K. For this release they had access to stuff they didn’t have in 2001 and the original de was only done at 480p
Quite True. And in some cases a Early DVD were Downgraded to 360p Resolution if the Disk had Multiple Episode of a Show or if had several 3+ minute Animated custom menus ( such in the Case of the Cat In The hat live action film release)
Edit: But now of days DVD and BluRay use a Stock Image for the menu.
STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE 40TH ANNIVERSARY 1979-2019!
Is the 4k on paramount....I could not find it. Only the directors cut....which BTW I do not like how they changed the Red Alert sound.
Weird how they moved the officers lounge to the back of the bridge area
Is some 4K looks better but in other shots you can’t see things as clear as 2001 version and color looks much darker
I never like it when these restorations result in too much black crushes or white crushes.
Thanks for the comparison video. Made up my mine and going to double dip for the 4k version.
Loved the new version and think it's now one of the best Star Trek movies! The audio and visual updates are fantastic! You know they did a good job when a 5 and 6 year old kid watch the full movie and clap at the end!!
Glad they enjoyed it as TMP has been notorious for being deemed boring for years, especially once the journey through the Cloud and V'Ger happens. The editing on both sequences was tightened up a bit for the DC so that helps.
The golden gate scenes are totally different
Can't wait to witness the new version on the big screen this month! purposely holding out till then XD and I'm glad it's coming to physical disc as well so I can add it to my collection.
Years ago I talked to one of the TD's for the 2001 Director's Cut, and how Paramount only gave enough money for a DVD resolution "restoration", with HD parked out front combing it's hair and straightening it's tie. So much of what was in the director's cut came from elaborate storyboards of stuff that they didn't have time to make. I don't know if there's 4k in the 70mm format even if they went back to camera negatives (ala Star Wars Special Edition) unless you like film grain & and matte lines. So there's some digital sweetening going on here. I'm interested to see if the audio changes of the director's cut were carried over. I want to see this, but I don't have a 4k display.
Note- that last music track in the comparison is an unused, dry dock music track, before there was an Enterprise theme.
The audio mix is completely new. There's a ton of new background sounds (machinery, doors, computers, ship engines...) that make the movie feel like you're really there, plus the soundtrack was either re-recorded (I'm not really sure about it) or re-edited in Dolby Atmos.
@@Pavel_M_Mihalik The new audio mix is amazing. I love the almost heart pumping sound the main engine gives now as well as various other audio changes here and there. They even put in the original mix for the Main Title as it was heard in the theatrical cut versus the 2001 DVD release which used the album version for some reason.
They did the best job. i think they used alternate takes to replace what the had originally
8:55: 2001 DE.
9:05: YES! They have fixed it!
Fantastic Job, Enjoyed This Immensely!
Rediscovered The Sound Track...
It's Amazing 👏
Thanks Again My Friend!
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In the 2022 director's cut edition, the scene, which takes place in Kirk's quarters, is the least successful in terms of special effects. The characters outlines are not clear. In front of this new "window" the face of Kirk, Spock or McCoy is "distorted". Not realistic at all. In short, the 1979 version remains the best.
I am SO annoyed this version isn’t in the Danish Paramount +
I'm not sure this A/B comparison is entirely fair. I have the 2001 Director's DVD. I compared the version I have with the versions you've show here. The version I have looks a little better than the stills shown to represent the 2001 version. In the 2001 version I have the colors are somewhere between the stills you show for the 2001 version and 4k release. I played back the DVD using VLC media player.
I’m a bit confused. It doesn’t say this is a directors edition or directors cut on the box set in the link. Also,,, why is it only 4 movies when there were 6??
Headed down to pick up my reserved copy of the special longer Edition package I know it's a lot of money and knowing Paramount they probably will release this yet again in a couple of years but I would rather have it with the extra footage then to blow my opportunity on obtaining it without paying over exorbitant prices which is what's going to happen when this hits collectors markets when it's out of print
I love the Director's Edition of this movie but they went overboard on a few of the new FX shots. The Starfleet matte painting scenes in SF and the lounge scene are just godawful -- they should have just left those alone. The lounge scene in particular plays much better in the original cut as there was nothing egregiously wrong with it in the first place. The 2001 version with the added nacel was a minor improvement but the newer version just completely ruins it.
so they dind't use an AI upscaler software, hmm interesting...
edit : actually I don't know know, anyway i'm not a star trek fan but i own the 2001 DVD and even me i'm a bit upset by the changes, c'mon 9:04 why the heck they did that ? 11:45 where are the stars there ? did the AI upscaler software thought it was film grain and DNR noise reduction it or it was on pupose or a mistake with a technician ?
Kirk met Bones and Spock in his lounge, which is located in the bridge dome, but due to limited budget and time, the original version of the movie used the wrong background.
No upscaler was used for the new version. All film negatives were cleaned up and rescanned in 4K. The "stars" seen around the center of V’ger are probably the sparks that formed the pathway from the central area to the Enterprise.
I'm surprised that you chose to compare only the DVD to the new 4k and not the requaler blu ray as well, still good vid
Maybe I will……….!!!!
The Blu-ray is just a downscaled version of the 4K transfer tho. Nothing different in content from the 4K screencaps.
Nicely done. Thanks.
Wow 4K 🤯👍
So in 1979 when we paid for two full price tickets to see ST- TMP in the theater, the producers of the 4k blu-ray ST-TMP are now admitting that we didn't see a complete movie in multiple aspects? REFUND AT WARP SPEED, PLA EASE!!! Scheduling a movie into theaters before it's even finished is bad business and just stupid
Not sure if I like the revisions. I know that’s sort of ironic in this case, since the 2001 version itself was a revision with new effects added.
I see it like the original Star Wars films. The special editions aren't the original special editions anymore. I understand that for this director's edition they had to do new special effects in order to transfer it to 4k, but why did they have to make big changes to some of them. It's not really the director's cut anymore in my opinion. It's the 4k cut. Looks great, but why did they have to deviate from Robert Wise's original vision in some areas. Don't know.
Thank you!
Making it darker is NOT better. Look at the Batman movies it so dark who knows what is going on. Car cases did he hit someone we"ll cover that up with a Bomb scene. Wonder Woman fight with Cat Woman to dark to see with was happening. Dark Bad-Light Good.
I had the 2001 version back in 2002 yet the new visuals haven't changed much, San Francisco yes updated lighting definition yet takes away some details makes no sense. Would like to see all movies in the franchise, updated yet a director cut well-done nonetheless.
How is the Golden Gate Bridge still standing centuries in the future and after World War III?
Imagine TWOK with this treatment 😳
Why do all these so called upgrades always make everything darker and harder to see? I'd prefer the older footage just to be able to watch it more easily.
Dear Chris
You find it darker.....really ? Do you know how HDR works or maybe your TV has not been calibrated by a professional ??
It's darker to me too. You shouldn't have to turn up the brightness on the TV to see something when you are able to see it in the "original" director's edition.
Great video...👍
Thanks.
When will this be out on physical media?
September !!
Very good comparing a 4k disc to a DVD why not see how it compares to the blu ray ?
Some of the new shots were cartoonishly bad...
I don't understand what most of you are in awe about. Most of the updated special effects look absolutely horrible! It looks like someone found some generic 3D rendering software with some free Star Trek models! And the remastered film looks no better than the original blu-ray version that I literally just watched a couple days ago. And whoever was in charge of the color correction needed to ease up on the saturation and de-noise settings.
Whatever crack you're smoking you need to share with the rest of the class because you are seriously on a bad trip there. Stick to your theatrical Blu Ray cut already.
Yeah right ? i don't understand people reactions too, this restoration is a mix bag, I think they used an AI upscaler software and a 3D rendering upscaler software for the CGI like they use these days for video games compilations and some new FX.
my previous comment : "i'm not a star trek fan but i own the 2001 DVD and even me i'm a bit upset by the changes, c'mon 9:04 why the heck they did that ? 11:45 where are the stars there ? did the AI upscaler software thought it was film grain and DNR noise reduction it or it was on pupose or a mistake with a technician ?"
tbh The Godfather restoration is better, I know there is nearly no special fx in those films but c'mon it comes from Paramount too.
@@willr.5583 Exactly.
Finally, someone else agrees with me.
Really they scanned the effects work at 8k and 4k how can it not look better? I can understand not liking the DNR pass they did on them but the 2009 had edge enhancement. The 4K theatrical is what you want, if you want the theatrical no DNR was applied. But that was just scanning the negative of the film in 4k, the Directors Cut actually scanned the original elements. They were then digitally composited back into the movie. So yes all the work they did makes it look like a fresh and brand new movie, it almost looks digital. Too clean. the original 1979 prints out there look like crap. I'd seriously dare someone to scan one of those 35mm release prints it would look worse than the 2009 Blu-Ray but not worse than the Laserdisc.
Great vid 👍👍💞💞🙏🙏
8:58 this was absolutely horrible, how could they get it so wrong?
I forgot how cringey the DVD menu is lol.
I loved the DVD, but the menu, yeah, that WAS cringey.
Ok...that's impressive...they moved Kirk/McCoy/Spock's meeting from the Rec Deck windows to the Officer's Lounge windows. That's always bothered me. This cannot come out soon enough.
Wow!
I'm not sure why these enhancers believe that darker is better. So many of the interiors are rendered darker and either lead to washed out flesh tones or loss of detail in the background. Look at Kirk's face in the travel pod. In the enhanced version it looks like his face is dirty. Some of the enhanced special effects are markedly better, but that's not surprising. In the old days, transfers from film to DVD often revealed artifacts due to all the moving mattes. Some were addressed very well when additional transfers to Blu-ray were done, particularly with the original Star Wars, with no degradation in original color. As is typically the case with these "re-mastered" and enhanced versions, Star Trek TMP 4K seems to be a mixed bag.
It's because they're mastering for 4K TV displays, which use a backlight element to make highlights pop. On any other device (including a projector) it's going to look too dark even though the black levels are virtually the same.
Dose anyone know when this will come out on Disc??
September Darren !
@@Mymoonization Cant wait (:
The 4-K version wins hands down !
maybe its just me the but the Dolby version looks better then 4k
I hate the new red-alert sound they introduced for no good reason and I loved the androgenous computer voice.
A separate blu-ray disc is also being released at the same time for a lot less money.... think I will wait to see a comparison between it and the 4k before buying anything. The 4k may not be that much better? After all there is no denying that Star Trek TMP is just a boring movie on all fronts and no amount of picture improvements or editing changes that.
Nice comparison, but a fundamentally bad film is still a fundamentally bad film.
Looks like they've just reduced the exposure and cranked up the contrast!
The problem I always had with the DC effects is that they didn't blend in well with the original footage. It was okay on DVD but in 4K those effects look especially bad.
This video wastes its first few minutes boring us to death. Haven't we all sat through DVD menus enough already? I'd suggest an edit or two to get right to whatever you want to say.
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This is all baloney, in a few years there will be an 12K version, and it's time to buy all new equipment. I'll settle for the WS VHS tape.
Don't really see a need to upgrade.
The original Director's Edition from 2001 was only mastered at DVD resolution. To release that version in 4K they had to go back and re-create all the changes they'd made.
@@thork6974 No shit. I know that. But from what I've seen on here, the differences don't look that big to buy the movie AGAIN. I mean really, how often do you watch this snore fest? LMAO
its the same O same O just went darker vegers ship looks like star trek voyagers year of hell time ship
highly disapointed asside from that no aditional footage thrown in