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Condesa Lucia
Sound: Beautiful, warm, spacious and with lots of air. Their harmonics fall in love. Hugs you. HiFi
Feeling: the most demanding audiophiles should be very satisfied with such a mixer. I see it perfect to play music with soul. The ISO is very soft and friendly, I know that there are now options of discrete ISO and ISO IC 24db that will surely be more playful
Aesthetics: Beautiful and robust. It is a beauty. I think that condesa makes the most beautiful mixers in the world.
E & S DJR 400
Sound: powerful and round.
Feeling: Blends melt creating great sensations. The ISO is incredibly fun and isolates very clearly all the frequencies, you have to watch it do not happen because it can be a bit strident if you squeeze it, but that only depends on who uses it.
Aesthetics: a classic well designed. It has everything very well put in very little space.
Can Electric Taula 4
Sound: Reminds me of the powerful but more neutral DJR.
Feeling: In the mix I have had feelings very similar to the DJR, the tracks fuse very well. ISO is similar to E & S but without being so aggressive.
Aesthetics: with a lot of personality, it is different to all with its included suitcase and the connections in the front panel. Big
Condesa Lucia
Sonido: Precioso, calido, amplio y con mucho aire. Sus armónicos enamoran. Te abraza. Hifi
Feeling: los mas exigentes audiofilos deverian estar muy satisfechos con un mixer así. La veo perfecta para pinchar música con alma. El ISO es muy suave y amable, se que ahora hay opciones de ISO discreto y ISO IC 24db que seguramente serán mas juguetones
Estetica: Preciosa y robusta. Es una belleza. Creo que condesa hace los mixers mas bonitos del mundo.
E&S DJR 400
Sonido: potente y redondo.
Feeling: Las mezclas se funden creando grandes sensaciones. El ISO es increíblemente divertido y aisla muy claramente todas las frecuencias, hay que vigilar no pasarse por que puede ser un poco estridente si lo estrujas, pero eso solo depende de quien lo usa.
Estética: un clásico muy bien diseñado. Lo tiene todo muy bien puesto en muy poco espacio.
Can Electric Taula 4
Sonido: Me recuerda a la DJR potente pero mas neutral.
Feeling: En la mixing he tenido sensaciones muy parecida a la DJR, los tracks se funden muy bien. El ISO es parecido al de E&S pero sin ser tan agresivo.
Estética: con mucha personalidad, es diferente a todas con su maleta incluida y las conexiones en el panel frontal. Grande.
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Great to see the differing opinions in the comments! Shows that it really is a matter of taste.
Listening to this on high quality midrange monitors. Even allowing for the TH-cam compression etc, the differences are clear.
Contessa sounds horribly coloured. People often refer to this as 'warm', when it seems to be a roll off on the high frequencies. Great if that's your thing, but not great for that kind of cash! For a taste of real warmth with added clarity, try the Mastersounds Valve range. To my ears the Taula sounded closest to truth.
Recently got into the rotary thing. Got myself a Mastersounds Radius. Lovely clean uncoloured sound.
I can't believe my eyes and ears. I am so deliciously impressed. Seeing the interest in this style of mixing board. It hasn't gone out of fashion...in fact, it looks like it's thriving and this is fantastic news. I don't think it ever went away but too many colleagues turned their noses up at me whenever I would try to season their knowledge with my Bozak CMA 10-2 DLA or years later with the rotary RANE. The rotary mixer is from the school of olde...I never imagined it would be a more than popular alternative to the proverbial slide technique. The amount of thought, sleepless nights, the labor of love behind the building and design of these beautiful machines...machines that are actually works of art. Thank you for sharing these, sharing the gift of technique, the gift of music and the admirable talent. Cheers!
Thanks!
The world in which this comment has 8 likes is a sad world indeed. Hats off to you sir.
@@jonbenge8470 Now it has nine, couldn't agree more!
@@absis1080 Do you still have the audios please ? The playlist is amazing
After switching back and forth on the video you can clearly hear the differences in the mixers, very interesting. I would say the Condessa is the most open and round/warm, followed by the Taula. The E&S sounded closed and sharp, very forward but in a bad way. I have also read that E&S uses cheap parts, probably contributes to its brittle sound. Taula might be better for modern digital dance music, digital tracks with a lot of low end may end up sounding muddy in the mix on the Condessa.
Tengo una djr 400 en roja! Y te veo tocarla y me sigo quedando embobado con este mixer siempre pincho el vinilo y pinche con mixers convencionales de faders mucho tiempo y este mixer me a enseñado a pinchar de otra manera mucho más conectado con la música el vinilo la calidez del sonido y la sencillez de hacer algo mágico con dos platos de vinilo y un mixer analógico nada más.. mágico Gracias por el vídeo un saludo
Great comparison. The Condesa sounds more bassy, less hi end, i'm not sure is that the definition of warm and full. Taula more balanced. E&S nothing special in my taste. Of course with TH-cam it is imposible to hear what you really hear with your speakers. Amazing mixers all!
Is it just me or is the Condesa worlds better than the other two? I've only played on 1620s in clubs never owned one, glad to see that the rotarys are in abundance these days.
Fantastic mixers, even better musical taste. Thank you for putting decent music through these and not some god awful Berghain Baldrick techno.
The bass on the Condesa is huge. Definitely the warmest, full sounding of the 3.
It’s way too much; a distorted blob not for me thanks.
@@hardcorehouse you've replied to a couple of comments referring to the Condesa sounds as blobby. There is no need to reply personally to each person who likes it. It just makes you seem like a bitter person with an axe to grind.
Count on the fact that you’re not setting the rules here pal you’ll just have to live with an opinion that’s more enlightened than yours!
@@hardcorehouse discrete vs integrated circuit
It could be warm, or it could be just brickwalled on high ends, like it usually happens with the "warm" cliche
hearing fruits of the spirit on the taula 4 convinced me to choose it.
How do you like the Taula?
Listening to this video through my studio monitors (very flat freq) and, obviously all sound great. I definitely agree that the Condesa sounding the warmest and most open (would love to purchase this to be honest), love the simple layout of the DJR. The Taula is really growing on me now. Love that it has a GAIN dial so I can mess with the volume dial without it going crazy.
Lol ..you got all of that through a low grade video on TH-cam lol...utter rubbish lol...
You can't tell until you're Infront of one...lol ..people do chat crap on YT lol..
Shopping for a new rotary. Nice to have this video to reference. Really turned me off the Taula. Seemed unusually bright for a high end analog mixer. The Condesa is the gem here. Buttery as can be. Thanks again for the video!!!
As far as the sound from a TH-cam video, I'd say I found the Condesa to sound the fullest.
If fullest means overly distorted blob of sound, yup..
I found the phono preamps on my Taula to have a lower signal-to-noise-ratio than the phono amps on my “cheap” Reloop RP-7000 turntables. This could be noticeable if playing quiet records that need a channel gain boost.
When increasing the gain you can start hearing noise and humming if using the phono preamps on the mixer, but when I use the turntable preamps and connect to the mixer via line-in then the gain can go all the way up remaining dead quiet (noise-wise).
This is something I tested at maxed out volumes (clearly with no music playing) for SNR comparison, on real use it’s unlikely to be an issue.
I still think it’s a great sounding mixer and I love it.
Man, all these great mixers. I wish I had any one of these beauties :) Nice choice of tunes too!
Great video! Really nice, warm and smooth sound.
Thanks for sharing this!
condesa is slightly warmer mor oomph but at the same time also sounds a bit more open
Yo man, the tracks are super dope. Great selection of tracks.
Absolutely flawless
Great Video! Thank You. I understand better the sound difference between Discrete and IC.
IMHO, Condesa, is definitely warmest / most organic, with the fattest bass. Taula is definitely the most "audiophile" - modern sounding, very fast and transparent & a very linear response. To me, the DJR400 isn't even in the same league as the other two - it's very dark and occluded sounding, yet has a bit of that opamp screech on the mid-highs that makes it very fatiguing to listen to. Just my opinion though....(been a dj for 35 years, have a Bozak, Urei, and about 10 other classic rotaries to compare).
And THIS is why i waste time reading youtube comments. Once per thousand comments somebody offers a worthwhile opinion based on knowledge. Don't suppose you'd suggest a good rotary with eq per channel AND at least cue mix. The 1620 is beautiful but i cant get along with no split cue. I played somewhere yesterday and had to mostly headphone mix, the monitor was an earbleeder. If there had been no headphone cue mix, I' d have been dead. Also dont want to throw down a grand on an isolator. That's robbery.
Hi Phil. A good rotary with channel e.q. and cue mix? That's a tough one, and unfortunately depends on budget. The earlier Rane MP and XP 2016 combo CAN be a good one, but only with mods. Stock, it is a pretty dreadful, dreary sounding mixer. Thinking about it, GLi (the old american mixer company), made (as their last hurrah) a rotary mixer, model 5990 (later 91) that had three stereo inputs (phono / line switchable), with crossfade as well (betw. channels 1&2). It also had three band tone per channel, split cue / cue mix, efx loops, and a whole slew of other features. If cleaned up, it is a very nice sounding mixer, not quite a Bozak / Urei, but nice. Also, in the classics department , Numark (I know, I know....) made, in the mid-to-late 80's, a higher end series called PPD. In that range, there were 2 rotaries; the MMX1000, which was a Urei clone (just with led v.u. meters and a crossfade) - and then, the MMX2000, which added three band tone per channel, plus a bunch of other shit (like tape loops and monitoring for home hifi, etc). Both of these Numarks were actually superb sounding, nice looking, had split cueing, and were seriously pretty indestructible. All of these mixers are semi-rare, but CAN be found- if one looks (especially on ebay). The only other option that I regularly suggest is : take a mixer that YOU love the sound of, and convert it to rotary. It's NOT that difficult! Anyway, hope this helps. If you want to continue this convo (I have a few other suggestions), let's not thread-jack; hit me up via pm / my channel. Happy new year!
Rob Anthony Hi. What kind of mods are you talking about for the MP/XP2016?
Hi Rob, appreciate your comments. Quick question, how would you rate the Taula 4 against a Xone 96 ?
@@microst99 This might be comparing apples to pears a bit, but I find myself curious as well...
i only had the pleasure to play on djr400, and it was enjoyable, but kinda crammed down and very tight to operate. taula4 seems like a much more comfortable mixer to play with
Condesa
La E&S tuve el gusto de probarla e iba muy fina, buena salida de volumen tenía por canal
djr 400 & condesa very similar condesa very analog djr 400 very analog both great!
cool video and the fruits of the spirit is just meant to be played on the lucia
For me the Condesa has better low end which is nice to have when you need it and the Taula 4 has less of a punch but seperation and clarity is nice. Very clean I would say and I agree regarding the E&S DJR 400 has by far the poorest sound of the three. I know a few DJ's that have it. It's pricey for the poor sound that it gives you. Personally I think they are over rated. I picked up a 2 channel Omnitronic: TRM-202MK3 last year it sounds great. Great price point for what you get in this mixer. The sound I would say is between the Condesa and the Taula 4. They also came out with a 4 channel which really looks nice.
Great video! would you mind doing another one including a Bozak AR4 and a MasterSounds Radius 2 so I can make up my mind? LOL The Lucia is a clear winner here for sound. Thanks for posting
I would love to do one with Bozak AR4, Radius 2, ARS MODEL 900, ISO420, Varia! Who lends them to me?
These mixers and the ones in the video are soo closely matched...all of them is a great choice...
I've Just got a mastersounds radius 4v....can't beat it tbh!
Impressive!
Muito legal esse teste parabéns 👏
it seems that the Zoom recording is compressing the sound, as soon as you cut the bass the level goes up.
Great video!
awesome
Sold my Ars 4100 and go for the Condesa..... 👍🏻
Update: sold the Condesa, colors me way, waaaay too much.
Stay with my first (1620Le and the OG1620)
the best and the summing pure gold, fits my ears the most. Also upgrade the phono and linecards with the cards from #danieldialatone🤙🏻
Sold my Condesa, stay with my UREI1620Le
Stayed with my Urei 1620, bought at Condesa Allegra ;)
Gostei do Isolater do Djr400.
The isolator active button on the Taula 4 sounds like it pops when pressed, both when deactivated (9:37) and reactivated (9:42). Nice kit tho! Hope they address that, it's a monster of a mixer.
According to owner, the mixer that was used in this video was one of the first they produced. They has since been fixed/update to fix the issue.
Cool la vidéo je vote lucia
this is making me want to spend stupid money
Hahahaha I spend already stupid money due to this boutique rotary world reviews....
holy shit that boo williams record is BA NA NAS
Lucia sounds the warmest and full throated to me. Then again, it's a youtube video.
and you've got the wav files on soundcloud.com/mousedown_up/sets/rotary-mixers-test
the SC link is down
Condesa ♥️👽
Something wrong with that DJR? Imaging is way different to the Lucia especially. There are perc elements panned hard right on one of the tracks and the Mid channel is not centred. Lucia nails it for imaging. For sure it's with got a natural bass hump or the other others are rolled off. Lucia projects the audio higher vertically than the Taula?
i like the Taula but i have to hear them live..
Funny how everyone here thinks the djr 400 sounds the worst. I find it sounding the best. Their isolator is much more powerful as well.
how will the Tuala compare to the Ecler Warm ?
Is that an audible pop on the isolator of the Taula or did the camera mic pick it up?
So the E&S has no trim/gain pots and no channel meters, but is IC-based and has an active mix bus, right? The Taula appears to be a better-built version of it, not to mention the trim/gains and meters. The Condesa is based on the Bozak -- a passive mix bus fed by just resistive pots, followed by a glorified mic preamp and bus for the cue?
suena muy bien
Kai Alce - Feeding
Great vid! Through my headphones senheisser hd25s the taula sounds the most open/natural. The Carmen sounds amazing but slightly coloured? If you could only pick one which would it be?
1) Lucia
2) Taula 4
3) DJR400
True if you like overly distorted blobs of sound.
I noticed, on the Lucia, when you flipped the ISO on/off switch, the signal popped. Does that happen every time?!?
Hey man, the link to your soundcloud is not working. Do you have a link to this setist? Thanks!
Thanks for this video, very interesting!
Did you had the opportunity to test these mixers against a Bozak AR-4? I'm curious to know how the Bozak sounds in comparaison to these ones...
sounds really good!
frank and tony?
Great video!! I would like to buyTaula. Can I also connect effects? (I have Roland RC 202). In your video I see the mixer connected from rec-out to a small machine, which one is it?
I believe thats a tascam recorder
Taula ^^
Taula !
How did you record the sound into the video source? Live direct to the mic 🎤 or hardwired with cables???
And what was the video source?? Thank you 🙏🏾
It looks to be hardwired to external recorder, sounds like it to 👌🏼
Thanks for the comparison. What is the first track?
Kai Alce - Feeding. At the end of the video puts it
What's the name of the first track
I would like to buy one of these three mixers, which do you advise me
One thing despite the condesa sounding huge for mixing you have a switch (phono cd) at the top of each voice that i use a lot to cut and it's the only one where you can do that !!
So which one would you say you like the best?
Hello. I'm wondering what carts/needles do you use ? Thanks.
You can see Ortofon Pro Concord Cartridges (Silver)
All of this Rotary Mixer is yours?
can't found wav audios on Soundcloud
What mixer sounds the best .
I can t find the wav audio :( is there a way to get them?
TAula 4 for me
Trough youtube compressor....
Have you got any mixes online mate?
Am i the only one who turns the main track's knob fully till 10?.... Almost everyone i see in vids hardly ever does it. They stick to middle (5) or like you did (6/7). I rather trim down and have it on 10 while mixing and bringing the exiting track down from 10 to 0. Is this wrong?
No need, there's so much headroom you don't need to bump it to 10. Plus, unity gain it likely around 7/8 on most rotaries (taula is at 7). Plus, if the mixer doesn't have a trim/gain, then you definitely don't want to put it to 10.
Groovefella B. Cunha put it on 10 if you have a Radius or maybe the A&H V6 with Trim/Gain.
On my Urei u have to level by ear, on most rotarys by ears.
@@sziya7 So unity gain is at 10 on the volume knob and trim at 0 (12 o'clock)? Is this for the newest model version? I've been using the channel at 7 and the master at 5 and it seems pretty on point when it comes to input=output. But then again this is on version 2 of their mixers, maybe the newest MR version has a different setting.
@@sziya7 Do you know what the unity gain is on the master btw?
Can anyone tell me what the first song is
look at the end credits
thnx. what is the second track?
Frank & Tony 'Harmonium'
thnx, mate
do you even phat bro?
third track ID pls?
The tracklist is at the end of the video
What the name of the 3rd track in the comparison?
it's in the credits at the end of the vid
Track ids anyone?
Kai alce feeding
Mastersounds radius 4v and you get the same quality with a hell of a lot more money left in ya wallet
Mastersounds ISO's are insipid and boring though
Not at all. Its not equivalent to those mixers. Equivalent would be the valve 4 which is ~2700 pounds. Thats way more than what you pay for those.
Hipster Scheiss :)
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