I was a BMW technician for two years and I never saw my self buying tools for ever. I’m glad I left that industry and now I’m in the energy generation industry traveling the world and no debt.
Nobody should work for flat rate or straight commission because it costs money to come to work and everyone should have a solid guaranteed salary plus commission. Former Service Department Manager from 2003 to 2018 That’s why I’m former and not a current 😂😂
I had a coworker with a brand new GMC that had transmission issues, the dealer replaced the transmission twice, and the truck was at the shop a total of 6 months waiting on parts, techs trying to figure out what the problem is and finally the technician at another dealership in another state figured out it was a kinked wire in the wire harness that was causing the issue. They replaced the harness and problem solved. Luckily it didn’t cost him anything because it was under warranty and he got a rental car while the truck was in the shop but it’s ridiculous that it took so long and two perfectly good transmissions to diagnose a faulty wire harness.
It’s true I put new sunroof drains in a Nissan Murano on a car my coworker got paid to work on Just because I know it’s what was needed to fix her issues. Took a lot Working with fragile light plastic colored interior pieces is 10x hard as as replacing an engine.
I think flat rate is bad for technicians and customers. It encourages bad practices and doesn't reward quality. Short of a country wide strike I don't see this changing.
I use to be a tech in the dealer and after market dealer. I do deliveries now, find it funny how much more money i make by delivering one single letter than dropping a trany on a titan truck to replace cluch under warranty. Not cool, pray for the next generation hope they wach youre videos and get informend
🙂 Flat Rate could make sense on an assembly line where every thing you touch is brand new and the same over and over again, but thats not how cars come in to a shop, your dealing with all sorts of problems that are not your fault including rust and such, i dont really know what would be fair because even being payed per hour clocking in and out might not be enough if most of the cars are beaters and your having to struggle and fight every single bolt and nut
For some people it's hard to switch a career you can't be an electrician without having any certification but yet I'm certified to work on electrical components in a vehicle
This is the only industry that pays on a guesstimate on how long a job will take even if it takes longer, it's the greedy auto manufacturers fault for customers suffering from poor warranty work
@@outkast40 I don't have to imagine. I do work for a Ford dealership and all I do is recalls and warranty work. I run from customer pay jobs like Forest Gump. What version of STLS are you using? If there is a legitimate reason for a job taking longer than book time, why aren't you billing for it?
I have to call BS on this video. There are problems in this industry and how techs get paid, but what he's doing in this video is taking every aspect of working as a flat rate tech and explaining it as a worst case scenario. I have factory certifications for multiple brands and I've worked at many dealerships. If you remove flat rate pay, you would lose every good tech in the industry. Its the only way you can make money. Every manufacturer is different and every dealership is owned by a different person. The experience you have as a tech can be vastly different depending on where you work. You can be at one place where everything goes wrong, change jobs and go somewhere else, and things may be a lot better (or worse). But you have to try. If you're willing to work at a job and take abuse all day, that's your fault. Just to balance things out, I'll list a few things that were not mentioned in the video. To start with all of our education is free. Every brand has different requirements, but you don't pay to go to factory training. They pay you. And what you learn can't be found in any trade school or ASE training manual. Our tool situation isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Factory scan tools are the best and most expensive. We don't buy them, the dealership does. We have big rooms filled with what's called special service tools. These are non standard tools meant for specific jobs. We have rooms full of them. I also see everyone com[laining about things like rusty bolts and no diag time. I get paid for test drives, rusty nuts and bolts, diag time and anything that's considered non standard and not found in the repair instructions listed in the workshop manual. Why? Because I know how my billing system works. You can bill the manufacturer for all this, providing you know how. Warranty labor rates do pay less than customer pay jobs. What no one tells you is when you work on the same exact cars every day, you get really fast. I won't even take customer pay jobs unless I absolutely have to. I could continue on with more examples, but my post can only be so long. There's no question that fixing cars is not an easy job, but that doesn't mean you can't make good money. If you notice, there have been a lot of youtube channels popping up lately and their main focus is on trashing the industry. The fastest way to build a youtube is by telling people what they want to hear. Negative comments attract a lot of attention, and that's exactly what you have here. If things were really as bad as is made out to be in these videos, no one would go to work in the morning. Its no easy but you can make a lot of money working on cars.
You don’t think commission is better than flat rate, I worked at coupon different shops and I got paid commission plus bonus for extra hrs, why dealer they do the same system, you see I got more benefit from local shops and no flat rate, they removed it and we had people from dodge and Toyota and Mercedes were working there
@@Matthewjo22 Its not optional. Dealership techs have to be paid flat rate because that's how the manufacturer pays for warranty and recalls. And why would good techs want to leave the flat rate system? What's so bad about making $35-$40 per hour? Take me off flat rate and I'm gone. Then all you have are people that didn't know their jobs well enough to succeed. There's one factor that no one ever wants to bring up. Most techs are not honest with themselves. Out of all these responses from pissed off techs not making any money, how many are willing to admit that at least part of the problem lies with them? Not one. Everything is always 100% someone else's fault. We get cars towed in every single day from other shops that got themselves in over their heads and can't fix them. These are the same people that complain they don't make any money. They don't know how to fix the cars either. Maybe that has something to do with it? I don't mean to be an asshole (although I am one), but not for what we're talking about here. If you take everything and make it out to be 100% negative, its impossible to succeed. If you're at a crappy place, you can play the same game they do. You should know that most of your education comes from hands on experience. Milk them for all the education you can and take every big, complicated job you can get. You have to learn somehow, so just do the best you can and if you make mistakes, you'll learn for the next time. If the job doesn't work out, take everything you learned at their expense and give it to your new employer. And if they screw up, do the same with them. The biggest problem in the industry is techs don't know their jobs. Once you get to a certain level, everything changes. If i quit tomorrow, my employer has a problem. If the guy next to me quits tomorrow, its no big deal. Once you get good enough, most of your problems will disappear. Also, make sure you're working for a brand that makes complicated vehicles. I'm factory certified for Mazda, Kia, Hyundai, Infiniti (Nissan) and Ford. I choose to work for Ford. Why? The cars are a disaster and that gives me an endless supply of work. Not that many people can work on Fords. If you work for a brand that makes good cars, you don't have much leverage. Once you get used to working on Fords, moving to a different brand is like being on vacation.
That's a lot of text to try to justify flat rate. You are plain wrong and no amount of walls of text will convince me otherwise. Flat rate is dead. So glad I quit being a mechanic. I went and got bachelors and masters degree in science and I'm way happier now. I'm actually glad flat rate sucked so bad, because I would have never quit the auto industry and realized my full earning potential.
@@biometal770 I am glad you did, but most mechanic they don’t understand the potential they have to make more, I make more money now and I am still in this field and I am so happy thanks man
In the state of California they pay a 40 hours guarantee and you flag over 40 then it's yours. This proves that not all technicians would quit if flat rate went away. It proves that there's a way to make this work so technicians don't have to worry whether they can pay their bills every week or not. And I'm speaking for brand new technicians who don't have the luxury to have an advisor in their backpocket giving them gravy work or 10 plus years of experience which guarantees you'll get higher paying jobs than newer techs. This is a system that is not designed for immediate success and we live in an age where time is money and none of us have time to wait years to finally flag 50-60 hours consistently.
I was a BMW technician for two years and I never saw my self buying tools for ever. I’m glad I left that industry and now I’m in the energy generation industry traveling the world and no debt.
yeah most people they left this career they are way happier now for some reason
Nobody should work for flat rate or straight commission because it costs money to come to work and everyone should have a solid guaranteed salary plus commission.
Former Service Department Manager from 2003 to 2018
That’s why I’m former and not a current 😂😂
i see and i agree 100%
I had a coworker with a brand new GMC that had transmission issues, the dealer replaced the transmission twice, and the truck was at the shop a total of 6 months waiting on parts, techs trying to figure out what the problem is and finally the technician at another dealership in another state figured out it was a kinked wire in the wire harness that was causing the issue. They replaced the harness and problem solved. Luckily it didn’t cost him anything because it was under warranty and he got a rental car while the truck was in the shop but it’s ridiculous that it took so long and two perfectly good transmissions to diagnose a faulty wire harness.
It’s true
I put new sunroof drains in a Nissan Murano on a car my coworker got paid to work on
Just because I know it’s what was needed to fix her issues.
Took a lot
Working with fragile light plastic colored interior pieces is 10x hard as as replacing an engine.
I think flat rate is bad for technicians and customers. It encourages bad practices and doesn't reward quality.
Short of a country wide strike I don't see this changing.
yeah but the main issue is the Dealer they cut the actual hrs and give as leas as they can
I use to be a tech in the dealer and after market dealer. I do deliveries now, find it funny how much more money i make by delivering one single letter than dropping a trany on a titan truck to replace cluch under warranty. Not cool, pray for the next generation hope they wach youre videos and get informend
🙂 Flat Rate could make sense on an assembly line where every thing you touch is brand new and the same over and over again, but thats not how cars come in to a shop, your dealing with all sorts of problems that are not your fault including rust and such, i dont really know what would be fair because even being payed per hour clocking in and out might not be enough if most of the cars are beaters and your having to struggle and fight every single bolt and nut
For some people it's hard to switch a career you can't be an electrician without having any certification but yet I'm certified to work on electrical components in a vehicle
This is the only industry that pays on a guesstimate on how long a job will take even if it takes longer, it's the greedy auto manufacturers fault for customers suffering from poor warranty work
I like the guesstimate
Imagine working for a Ford dealership when they issue a recall every month and you provide discount labor for every vehicle.
@@outkast40 I would love to hear that, I think it is worse than Toyota is not?
@@outkast40 I don't have to imagine. I do work for a Ford dealership and all I do is recalls and warranty work. I run from customer pay jobs like Forest Gump. What version of STLS are you using? If there is a legitimate reason for a job taking longer than book time, why aren't you billing for it?
I have to call BS on this video. There are problems in this industry and how techs get paid, but what he's doing in this video is taking every aspect of working as a flat rate tech and explaining it as a worst case scenario. I have factory certifications for multiple brands and I've worked at many dealerships. If you remove flat rate pay, you would lose every good tech in the industry. Its the only way you can make money. Every manufacturer is different and every dealership is owned by a different person. The experience you have as a tech can be vastly different depending on where you work. You can be at one place where everything goes wrong, change jobs and go somewhere else, and things may be a lot better (or worse). But you have to try. If you're willing to work at a job and take abuse all day, that's your fault.
Just to balance things out, I'll list a few things that were not mentioned in the video. To start with all of our education is free. Every brand has different requirements, but you don't pay to go to factory training. They pay you. And what you learn can't be found in any trade school or ASE training manual. Our tool situation isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Factory scan tools are the best and most expensive. We don't buy them, the dealership does. We have big rooms filled with what's called special service tools. These are non standard tools meant for specific jobs. We have rooms full of them. I also see everyone com[laining about things like rusty bolts and no diag time. I get paid for test drives, rusty nuts and bolts, diag time and anything that's considered non standard and not found in the repair instructions listed in the workshop manual. Why? Because I know how my billing system works. You can bill the manufacturer for all this, providing you know how. Warranty labor rates do pay less than customer pay jobs. What no one tells you is when you work on the same exact cars every day, you get really fast. I won't even take customer pay jobs unless I absolutely have to.
I could continue on with more examples, but my post can only be so long. There's no question that fixing cars is not an easy job, but that doesn't mean you can't make good money. If you notice, there have been a lot of youtube channels popping up lately and their main focus is on trashing the industry. The fastest way to build a youtube is by telling people what they want to hear. Negative comments attract a lot of attention, and that's exactly what you have here. If things were really as bad as is made out to be in these videos, no one would go to work in the morning. Its no easy but you can make a lot of money working on cars.
You don’t think commission is better than flat rate, I worked at coupon different shops and I got paid commission plus bonus for extra hrs, why dealer they do the same system, you see I got more benefit from local shops and no flat rate, they removed it and we had people from dodge and Toyota and Mercedes were working there
@@Matthewjo22 Its not optional. Dealership techs have to be paid flat rate because that's how the manufacturer pays for warranty and recalls. And why would good techs want to leave the flat rate system? What's so bad about making $35-$40 per hour? Take me off flat rate and I'm gone. Then all you have are people that didn't know their jobs well enough to succeed.
There's one factor that no one ever wants to bring up. Most techs are not honest with themselves. Out of all these responses from pissed off techs not making any money, how many are willing to admit that at least part of the problem lies with them? Not one. Everything is always 100% someone else's fault. We get cars towed in every single day from other shops that got themselves in over their heads and can't fix them. These are the same people that complain they don't make any money. They don't know how to fix the cars either. Maybe that has something to do with it?
I don't mean to be an asshole (although I am one), but not for what we're talking about here. If you take everything and make it out to be 100% negative, its impossible to succeed. If you're at a crappy place, you can play the same game they do. You should know that most of your education comes from hands on experience. Milk them for all the education you can and take every big, complicated job you can get. You have to learn somehow, so just do the best you can and if you make mistakes, you'll learn for the next time. If the job doesn't work out, take everything you learned at their expense and give it to your new employer. And if they screw up, do the same with them. The biggest problem in the industry is techs don't know their jobs. Once you get to a certain level, everything changes. If i quit tomorrow, my employer has a problem. If the guy next to me quits tomorrow, its no big deal. Once you get good enough, most of your problems will disappear. Also, make sure you're working for a brand that makes complicated vehicles. I'm factory certified for Mazda, Kia, Hyundai, Infiniti (Nissan) and Ford. I choose to work for Ford. Why? The cars are a disaster and that gives me an endless supply of work. Not that many people can work on Fords. If you work for a brand that makes good cars, you don't have much leverage. Once you get used to working on Fords, moving to a different brand is like being on vacation.
That's a lot of text to try to justify flat rate. You are plain wrong and no amount of walls of text will convince me otherwise. Flat rate is dead. So glad I quit being a mechanic. I went and got bachelors and masters degree in science and I'm way happier now.
I'm actually glad flat rate sucked so bad, because I would have never quit the auto industry and realized my full earning potential.
@@biometal770 I am glad you did, but most mechanic they don’t understand the potential they have to make more, I make more money now and I am still in this field and I am so happy thanks man
In the state of California they pay a 40 hours guarantee and you flag over 40 then it's yours. This proves that not all technicians would quit if flat rate went away. It proves that there's a way to make this work so technicians don't have to worry whether they can pay their bills every week or not. And I'm speaking for brand new technicians who don't have the luxury to have an advisor in their backpocket giving them gravy work or 10 plus years of experience which guarantees you'll get higher paying jobs than newer techs. This is a system that is not designed for immediate success and we live in an age where time is money and none of us have time to wait years to finally flag 50-60 hours consistently.
Matthew try to make some 😃 videos and not just 😭 videos
sure i will
did you watch my other videos that i post, about other topic
@@Matthewjo22 yes, I subscribed to your channel after watching some of your vids.