IRL tho goths where quality over quantity their quantity was the fact that their traveled with their entire people meaning that you dont fight the gothic army you fight the gothic people every able bodied gothic man they have.
"Naturally, their leather jackets make them nearly impervious to arrows." Why even have the other 25 mins when we all know that line is why you made the video?
For anyone else wondering in the _distant future,_ Price of Anarchy refers to how much efficiency a system such as an economy loses due to selfish behaviour of its operators, e.g. corruption in a government
Anirudh Viswanathan Champs are only a stopgap measure against late-game Goths, and while Goths are definitely on the back foot in Feudal Age against Britons, they do have some ways of defending like Skirmishers. Britons vs. Goths is just a tough matchup for Britons, like how Huns vs. Goths is usually tough for Goths (unless the Huns allow the Goths to get to the Imperial Age intact. Then the Huns are totally screwed.).
1Korlash Actually Huns are screwed the minute Goths get a Castle up. Check out Res22's break the meta video with the Huskarl rush. Huskarls are just bonkers in the Castle Age. They can cost effectively beat everything that is a viable unit choice in the Castle Age. 10 atk in the Castle age for a non-knight is no joke. And its not like Goths can't rush. They have a solid m@a rush being dirt cheap. If Goths can beat EVERY civ just by sheer numbers from Castle Age onwards, is it mandatory to ALWAYS rush the Goths in Feudal or hell, even dark age, even if it isnt a great strat for your civ?
Age of Empires II shed a lot of light on world civilizations, but they also created one of history's greatest riddle: how did a barbarian tribe gain access to guns?
I like to think that the Goths' kid, the Spanish, showed his old man guns and cannons after he came home from Conquistador school. At first, the Goths wasn't too impressed by his son's "new-fangled techno-doodads", but after he shot a Cataphract dead and sniped some Siege Onagers from afar, he became a total convert.
Basic Goth strategy: -Once you have your economy flowing, research Eyeliner at your TC -Place down your Hot Topic as well as your Spencers. It may seem like wasted resources but it will come in handy later -Research the Bad Poetry perk -Place your Drama Club and start producing Jaded Youth -Research Brooding -Rank up to High School Age -Upgrade Jaded Youth to Angry Loners -Research Incense Sticks -Who cares, we're all gonna die anyway
Vikings did use eyeliner. Perhaps Goths did too. We know that at one time alot of them practiced infant headbinding. Which was influenced by the Huns and gave them elongated skulls as adults. My uncle wrote a paper on the Goths and their links to Scandinavia. So I know abit about them.
Something should have been done about that +10 pop on FE. That bonus was probably meant for games with 75 pop, so the bonus should be changed to a percent increase, not adding a constant. Something like a 15% increase would have done the job, as it would increase 10 pop to a 75 pop game, and scales as the pop cap increases.
Apparently the word "perfusion" is a medical term related to flowing blood, which takes its name from a french word meaning "to pour over or through," as in your blood flowing as hordes of huskarls pour over your defenses and into your base. The developers of Age of Empires definitely knew what they were doing when they picked the name for this technology.
It's okay. I played all three of the games as a kid, I still play them now. And I'm STILL terrible. I mostly abuse the poor AI in the first by only playing small islands and watching them run out of resources because they never built transports.
+A. Anderson I could've sworn that was American General Patton who said that? Referring to the abundance of American Tanks vs The less quantity but superior German Tanks
+Tawab Ghafari No, it was Joseph Stalin who said that. Soviet Union had millions more soldiers than Nazi Germany, even if they had no equipment and had to share a gun for multiple soldiers. He could overwhelm the stronger Nazi Soldiers with waves upon waves of Soviet soldiers. There's a reason Soviet Union lost about 9 to 10 million soldiers during WWII.
+A. Anderson ouh thats well nonsense at best the axis lost in the eastern front are around half of the soviet union not that great and the numbers generally werent too crazy different exept in veicles
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+A. Anderson lol ur wrong they had more weapons then soldiers....
Lost it at: *While supplies last. Special restrictions apply: Must be in Feudal Age or later. Offer valid at participating barracks. No refunds on sale items. Population restructions may exist in your area.Love to watch your videos dude.
Little bit of history nerd-ery: Gothic Architecture actually has nothing to do with the Goths as an ethnic group (or at least not directly). The term 'Gothic' for High Medieval architecture in Western Europe is an English derivative of the Italian word 'goffo' (which may have originally derived from the ethonym of the Goths who settled in Italy during the fall of the Western Roman Empire), meaning 'shoddy/crude', and was applied to medieval art and architecture in order to contrast it with the apparent superiority of that of the Italian Renaissance, as was first done by the 16th century art historian and biographer Giorgio Vasari.
Being goth player in the pocket while playing black forest is so much fun. As long as your allies are nice enough to wall you up if the map has a path through to your base haha
As a dedicated mayan player, goths make me so sad. I've adapted by getting lightning fast at converting. Target, ctrl+click to deselect one monk from group, target next huskarl/champ, deselect another, etc. The deselected one stays on target, its the fastest way to convert hordes. Literally the *only way* to deal with a goth late game as mayan.
+Spirit Of The Law can you do the aztecs they have great eagle warriors and the little hole in the wall is something you'll regret (if you don't have one they'll make one with their awesome siege) and don't try that pesky Gothic rush or some crazy tectonic Knights the aztecs have their own medicine (like for real they have super monks,but they weren't the subject that's for the Persians😈)
The designers for the Goths has sense of humour. They give us the last upgrade for the stone but we can't make walls. Although, they know we will be spamming Huskarl but we won't get the last upgrade for the gold.
The Stone is used for the Castles, every brick of stone wasted on a wall or gate is stone not spent on building castles. They want you to push with Castles and use Huskarls to take out archers and siege. So rather than an F, i will give them a D on the virtue that the stone invested is getting their money's worth in the only thing that matters: Several Castles up and running to pump out Huskarls to deal with the Siege as usual counters to Infantry like Scorpion and Hand Cannoneers are hard countered by them
Wouldn't the Goths have amazing synergy with the Slavs? 20% faster-working barracks that each add 5 population meaning fewer houses required? It sounds heavenly.
Hey bud! Just wanted to say thank you for all the great information! I grew up with age of empires in my highschool days and have great memories with my childhood friends when it comes to this game. Although we were never as technical we always had fun. I bought the definitive edition recently and your channel has been a blessing to understanding the game. Ive been having a lil marathon watching your videos and just wanted to say that its much appreciated!
hey Spirit of The Law, Love your vids. love this game! I am surprised, however, that you didn't speak about the fact that if you convert a Gothic barracks, it retains its faster unit creation speed! If you didn't already know, now you do. (: keep up the good work, mate! I hope to get as big as you one day
As usual you made a good overview. However. as you said : They can make quick walling (palissade + House in the beginning of the game.) and get Architecture on the end of the game. Making their castle (with palissade) really reliable castle. F is a bit too much. That would be more like a D. D-. But yeah. They basically get the worst defences of the game.
Spirit Of The Law Maybe your grades tend to be a bit too generous for me, so it shocked me a bit to see an F. Your grades seems to be configured for equilibrate civilisations like the teutons or the spanish. However, civilisation a bit "one trick pony" as goth or franks (or even huns) tend to be a bit undergraded compared to the average civ of your review
+ADJAX if any one can make a wall of buildings and sticks, and it's not really that strong, if you have only the basic of defensive towers..how is that not bad? I think and F (although I hate that letter-rating system) seems like a respectable grade.
daddyleon Well.. They still got architecture. Which makes their buildings stronger. Even if a lot of you never make that tech than can make a HUG difference.
+ADJAX I know, but that one tech... doesn't turn a house or palisade into a Fortified Wall. I'm not aware of any other civ with worse defenses, Huns don't have houses to wall with, but they do have stone walls... so... yeah.
It's strange I have been playing AoE 2 for so long but always casually. I never thought of the things that save me 1 or 2 seconds. It's strange to me to see it all so mathematically laid out, very interesting. The best thing I find with Goths is that Huskarls are a bit more expensive than champions they have that sweet range defense and a great building/archer damage.
Where can you find these polls? Very interesting videos by the way. I'm by no means an AoE expert but I like your deep analysis on just about everything.
It's not a perfect poll by any means, but you're welcome to try it out for fun. It's the "Best Civ For You" Quiz: www.quiz-maker.com/Q4142C There's also a "Worst Civ For You" that instead gives points to civs that don't match your responses: www.quiz-maker.com/QPU3VR and thanks for the kind words :)
Hey spirit! just to let you know, i'm really loving the high quality content of your videos aswell the personal touch you add to each one, making these statistical/matematical for super tryhard strats ,commonly boring videos extremely hilarious and fun to watch, i never caught myself managing to watch more than 5 minutes of a game video without getting bored unless it was a stream, much less if its a statistical/review video, but here im watching all those 10-25 min video without even realising the time flew, and besides that, i would like to thank the work you're doing for the comunity of aoe since until the releases of hd and forgotten empires we were really abandoned despite our high numbers and we didn't have a big space on youtube (as you might have realized because of the extremely large subscriber influx making your channel grow) which leads me to ask, are you feeling overwhelmed or somewhat nervous due to your ever increasing large audience, considering just a few months ago you were doing videos for a crowd of just about 100 people? I know you said due to that you were gonna focus solely on aoe and that you're not running out of ideas, but you didn't seem so sure about the quality of those.
Every time any raids enter my base after passing my meatstreams i just relocate my spam marker into my eco for 5 seconds. That usually takes care of things. I find that working fine as defense. Only works very well in imp, but better than F indeed.
The "...it's the same thing, although I prefer the first wording"-part, always cracked me up. The way this line is delivered slightly different... It's so sincere, like his OCD just couldn't leave it out. People talk about how Spirit is a math-freak, and for me, this is the prime example. Man, I love you. Your attention to detail is unmatched! Cheers
i've been playing goths the last few days and they're soooooooooooo good and fun. I love magyars but goths might be even more fun. unbelievable how you can just overwhelm people with numbers with this civ. Although i'm still better with magyars because scout and cavalry rushes are so strong
I love the goths. My friends always talk shit when i choose them because of the palisade walls but ive beaten them 1v2 with the power of infinite huskarls
lol Gothic architecture was never built by the goths. It was several centuries later. The term was an insult to the first architect to use the style but it stick. Like the term desert rats: a german insult of the Australians in WW2 that stuck and is now on banners at parade. Tory, wig in british politics were both once insults as was the term cockney in London.
+PrimordialNightmare I think so. Anyway, the important thing is that Gothic architecture was a derogatory term used by established Catholic peoples several centuries after we really saw anything of the Goths in Europe save for some small localized tribes.
Yes its was developed in France and the closest Goth region was in spain. Generally the Goths adopted the Gnostic heresy and were thus quickly overrun by islam so the jibe had very complex religious contexts.
Sorry if I'm resurrecting an old video but I used to play this game all the time on PC in college and just downloaded the console version for nostalgia and I was kinda surprised to find so much content. Goth used to be my go to back in the day and my roommates would usually play Briton or French. We had some epic battles against one another. The goth ran so the zerg could swarm.
For all of those who suffer and can't beat the Goths and their infinite Army on Imperial Age. Here's how to beat them: Kill them in Feudal and Castle Age :) Goth is extremely weak on feudal and early castle, until the get a Castle up and can field the Huskarl.
A. Anderson Goths do have a huge powerspike in Castle Age the minute they lay down that castle. Huskarl is quite a beastly castle age unit, with 10 atk and 6 PA(can be cost effectively beat knights AND trash), I 'd dare say a Huskarl rush is possible.
@@anirudhviswanathan3986 I managed to win a few nomad games using this strategy. And even when I coudn't win, I did massive eco damage to the opponet. So yeah, screw knight rushes, use huskarls instead.
Loved it! Also, loved the F on defense, who needs goalkeepers anyways? I figured on a "free for all with 3 hard bots" (3v1) game, that castle age fighting won't get you too far as goths, which is odd, considering that their imperial blacksmith techs are missing. Are goths more powerful imperial because of gunpowder units?
If goths could boom massive Economies in the castle age, and we're stuck there, they would still be good. The main difference between imperial and castle age is either military or economy. Ever see a 120 villager castle age? Me neither, at that point getting to imp is chump change.
At first I was outraged that the goths didn't have any good walls or gates, but then I watched this channel and started using the overwhelm and conquer tactic. Thanks a lot.
The gothic architecture was invented in France, so by the Franks (whose wonder is indeed a "gothic" cathedral). The first place to have a gothic cathedral was in Saint Denis, not far from Paris, a place that had been conquered by the Franks (and ruled ever since), not the Goths (who were mostly in Italy, southern France and Spain). It was named "gothic" during the 19th century, period that was quite a bit the "historical inaccuracy festival"). Surely to give it a barbarian name since it broke with the roman architecture, but yeah the term "gothic" was meant to be insulting at the beginning.
Franks seem to be one of the few cavalry based civs that don't instantly panic when they see Goths. Pallies+TAs is a great combo. You immediately shut down halbs as an answer to the Franks.
This brings back good memories. One thing you missed is that Huskarls are quite fast. I believe they are still among the fastest sword infantry in the game. That's one of the keys to a Goth offense. It's not just that you can dump masses of infantry onto the field cheaply, it's that they get into action very quickly.
An F for their defences is a bit harsh, being able to spawn instantly a wall of infantry in your base is even better than having stone walls, I actually am better at defending my base with the goths than with any other civ. Oh and talk about Incas next ! They are really fun and polyvalent civ but I don't know how good they are
+Ironfists MC I think that's more down to the economy bonus of cheap infantry. They aren't good at defending, they are good at bouncing back, if the opponent can't follow through fast enough.
+Spirit Of The Law I don't mean to be critical, but in a lot of your videos (including this one) you will compare costs of units using only the gold cost. while in post imperial age this may be the biggest cost factor as resources begin to run low, you cant completely ignore food/wood, especially in the earlier stages of a game. in order to get those resources, you need to have villagers working: wood and food aren't free. wood does gather faster than gold so it is easier to get, but food is the real difficult resource to get early on (late feudal-imperial). Not only do you have to pay the 60 wood initial cost for farms, but gold also gathers much faster than farms. Therefore, it takes more villager working time to get equivalent amounts of food and gold. so one food is worth more than one gold. because of this, the numbers you used comparing huskarls to knights favors huskarls much more than it truly should as huskarls cost 52 food and 26 gold and knights cost 75 gold and 60 food. if u only count gold, huskarls are a third the price of knights when they are really 58% of the price of a knight if u add food and gold together. when you account for the faster collection of gold versus food and the initial price of farms, it makes huskarls even less favorable if we are using villager working seconds as a unit. just my thoughts, no malice intended. your videos are great! keep up the good work.
in HD and voobly pop limit was increased, can now go up to 500 on steam HD and 1000 on voobly. But no one plays with those except in specific cases. It would lag like hell in the late game
what do u think about the idea of a kinda feudal rush with men at arms with goths? usually a feudal rush is made by archers or scout cavallery but the infantry is so cheap that in my opinion this should work aswell
+lennartgro i sometimes use man at arms, although like jerry its with the japanese but it would probably work better with goths. ill usually build one barracks and one archery range. man at arms and skirms is a deadly combo since they cover each others weaknesses. unfortunately, it costs a lot of food and once u go to castle they be come virtually useless since they upgrade to long swordsmen and we all know how good they are in castle, and skirms only counter archers and they are countered by every single other unit, esp knights and mangonels. still a solid strategy, just don't over-invest in those units.
i play AoE since it was not the HD version, but, for the first time I have realised that team bonus applies to all your allies. thanks spirit of the law.
I came here just to find the "Goth Game Plan" graphic I see in every intro
That's my background
23:40
The trump card when you stuck forever trying to defeated enemies.
Spam the infantry like a hordes until you win the game
IRL tho goths where quality over quantity their quantity was the fact that their traveled with their entire people meaning that you dont fight the gothic army you fight the gothic people every able bodied gothic man they have.
@Slinky TV +10 on the field for goths.
"Naturally, their leather jackets make them nearly impervious to arrows." Why even have the other 25 mins when we all know that line is why you made the video?
Welp, wanted to thumb this up when it had 666 likes.
Christian Death fans. The lot of yall…
Had the "Price of Anarchy" question in my test
Answered 450 food and 250 gold
Failed with style
A gamble to see if your teach plays AoE...
For anyone else wondering in the _distant future,_ Price of Anarchy refers to how much efficiency a system such as an economy loses due to selfish behaviour of its operators, e.g. corruption in a government
@@DuringDark I wanted the ingame description :(
@@DuringDark I'm from the distant future, good to know
Absolute madlad
I press on goths, host tells me to go random...
I randomly get goths and the host gets Britons...
Rip
Here lie Host, he tried....
Id still spank u
Brits still can make champions and Goths have nothing to defend against an archer rush in Feudal Age.
Anirudh Viswanathan Champs are only a stopgap measure against late-game Goths, and while Goths are definitely on the back foot in Feudal Age against Britons, they do have some ways of defending like Skirmishers.
Britons vs. Goths is just a tough matchup for Britons, like how Huns vs. Goths is usually tough for Goths (unless the Huns allow the Goths to get to the Imperial Age intact. Then the Huns are totally screwed.).
1Korlash
Actually Huns are screwed the minute Goths get a Castle up. Check out Res22's break the meta video with the Huskarl rush. Huskarls are just bonkers in the Castle Age. They can cost effectively beat everything that is a viable unit choice in the Castle Age. 10 atk in the Castle age for a non-knight is no joke.
And its not like Goths can't rush. They have a solid m@a rush being dirt cheap.
If Goths can beat EVERY civ just by sheer numbers from Castle Age onwards, is it mandatory to ALWAYS rush the Goths in Feudal or hell, even dark age, even if it isnt a great strat for your civ?
Age of Empires II shed a lot of light on world civilizations, but they also created one of history's greatest riddle: how did a barbarian tribe gain access to guns?
IT WAS THE ALIENS!!!!!
Make Martians a civ , theirs shall be the best bonus: "Ruin the history channel"!
I like to think that the Goths' kid, the Spanish, showed his old man guns and cannons after he came home from Conquistador school. At first, the Goths wasn't too impressed by his son's "new-fangled techno-doodads", but after he shot a Cataphract dead and sniped some Siege Onagers from afar, he became a total convert.
to quote AOE2
"RAIDING PARTY!"
Barbarians were always good weapon smiths. They sure as hell weren't going to win with tactics
i like the "zergs in kevlar"
so you could say that goths have a _stable_ cavalry tech tree
get out
4:40 the villagers be like "OH SHIT THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR T- oh some sheep"
XD
HAHAHAHA i laughed at this way too harder than i should XDD
100 Likes, not gonna ruin that...
Basic Goth strategy:
-Once you have your economy flowing, research Eyeliner at your TC
-Place down your Hot Topic as well as your Spencers. It may seem like wasted resources but it will come in handy later
-Research the Bad Poetry perk
-Place your Drama Club and start producing Jaded Youth
-Research Brooding
-Rank up to High School Age
-Upgrade Jaded Youth to Angry Loners
-Research Incense Sticks
-Who cares, we're all gonna die anyway
Velius i actually read and take this serious until half of the comment
This cracked me up. You had me at the second line, and some of the following lines kept it going. Thanks for the laugh.
Most authentic Goths wouldn't shop at Hot Topic. Also, where's the Goth rock music?
He have uS in the first half not gonna lie
Vikings did use eyeliner. Perhaps Goths did too. We know that at one time alot of them practiced infant headbinding. Which was influenced by the Huns and gave them elongated skulls as adults. My uncle wrote a paper on the Goths and their links to Scandinavia. So I know abit about them.
Goths dont need stone walls. They got meat walls
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Sparta's walls are its men
Explain
@@Anemeethious since Goths can produce so much infantry, and so fast, they essentially create a wall of soldiers (meat)
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That poor wolf at 9:25. It never saw it coming. He just wanted to eat the British..
Something should have been done about that +10 pop on FE. That bonus was probably meant for games with 75 pop, so the bonus should be changed to a percent increase, not adding a constant. Something like a 15% increase would have done the job, as it would increase 10 pop to a 75 pop game, and scales as the pop cap increases.
3 years later and I independently generated the same thoughts. Guess the world isnt so big after all.
3 days later and I still haven't found general grevious
It's been 1 week since she looked at me
It's not nearly as OP on 25 pop games though:(
if it changed to percentage then it will be worse for the lower pop games but slightly better for the higher pop ones.
Apparently the word "perfusion" is a medical term related to flowing blood, which takes its name from a french word meaning "to pour over or through," as in your blood flowing as hordes of huskarls pour over your defenses and into your base. The developers of Age of Empires definitely knew what they were doing when they picked the name for this technology.
Its a misspelling of their intended word
@@atharvabarwe987 what was the intended word?
It means, flow of the Warrios Spirit through the whole Pupulation (instead a Military Elite), so they can recruit quicker.
@@droideca88 profusion
I haven't played this game since I was a kid. It's nice to come back and see how completely shit I was at it. Excellent video!
It's okay.
I played all three of the games as a kid, I still play them now. And I'm STILL terrible.
I mostly abuse the poor AI in the first by only playing small islands and watching them run out of resources because they never built transports.
Yeah, I'm watching to see how dumb I was.
As Joseph Stalin said: "Quantity has a quality of its own."
Goths in a nutshell.
+A. Anderson I could've sworn that was American General Patton who said that? Referring to the abundance of American Tanks vs The less quantity but superior German Tanks
+Tawab Ghafari No, it was Joseph Stalin who said that. Soviet Union had millions more soldiers than Nazi Germany, even if they had no equipment and had to share a gun for multiple soldiers. He could overwhelm the stronger Nazi Soldiers with waves upon waves of Soviet soldiers. There's a reason Soviet Union lost about 9 to 10 million soldiers during WWII.
+A. Anderson ya I looked it up you're right. I was told otherwise, and ya that's basically how they won the war that they had pretty much lost.
+A. Anderson ouh thats well nonsense at best the axis lost in the eastern front are around half of the soviet union not that great and the numbers generally werent too crazy different exept in veicles
+A. Anderson lol ur wrong they had more weapons then soldiers....
i lost it at "Jolly good, chaps! We got one!" LOL
Time stamp please
9:16
Thanks lol
So Ideal condition to go Goths Arena 25 pop limit,....
thats his point.
Oh i thought he meant against goths... oh well...
This is even worst than the Persian douche
@ lol
@@instinctzhassalin368 I am your 69th like 😬😬🤪
Lost it at: *While supplies last. Special restrictions apply: Must be in Feudal Age or later. Offer valid at participating barracks. No refunds on sale items. Population restructions may exist in your area.Love to watch your videos dude.
Little bit of history nerd-ery: Gothic Architecture actually has nothing to do with the Goths as an ethnic group (or at least not directly). The term 'Gothic' for High Medieval architecture in Western Europe is an English derivative of the Italian word 'goffo' (which may have originally derived from the ethonym of the Goths who settled in Italy during the fall of the Western Roman Empire), meaning 'shoddy/crude', and was applied to medieval art and architecture in order to contrast it with the apparent superiority of that of the Italian Renaissance, as was first done by the 16th century art historian and biographer Giorgio Vasari.
came to wirte that comment! :D
Im glad someone posted this
We serbs have gothic churches
I'm glad someone posted this. I'm commenting so that this post can be seen by everyone.
@@TheLordoftheDarkness what??????
This should get a reworked Overview
"If ten of our guys can bring down one of yours, that means we net win!"
- Goth players
the Zerg of Aoe2
Being goth player in the pocket while playing black forest is so much fun. As long as your allies are nice enough to wall you up if the map has a path through to your base haha
who looks for paths? MAKE ONE WITH ONAGERS
Nacho -Marti You can't as a goth
I swear these overviews just keep getting better and better. Very nice!
Although: 24:09 hurts my historical education.
SOTL has such incredible passion for AoE2. This video is a masterful analysis
As a dedicated mayan player, goths make me so sad. I've adapted by getting lightning fast at converting. Target, ctrl+click to deselect one monk from group, target next huskarl/champ, deselect another, etc. The deselected one stays on target, its the fastest way to convert hordes.
Literally the *only way* to deal with a goth late game as mayan.
No redemption is unredeemable
lol
It's like the Goths sold their defenses for great offensive balance. I hope the Incas get an overview one day.
+Alex Gonzalez one day, of course!
+Spirit Of The Law Incas are the best forward-building/tower-rush civ in the game. Just look at their villager bonus.
+Spirit Of The Law can you do the aztecs they have great eagle warriors and the little hole in the wall is something you'll regret (if you don't have one they'll make one with their awesome siege) and don't try that pesky Gothic rush or some crazy tectonic Knights the aztecs have their own medicine (like for real they have super monks,but they weren't the subject that's for the Persians😈)
Alex Gonzalez Yeah, like their house was the only safe spot from wolves, and they sold it for a machine gun.
Problem solved, I guess.
So what if supremacy is better against boar? That's an imperial tech. Boar hunting is done in the early game.
no shit
@@eru_barth why do you make that comment. To make yourself look foolish
I died at the football diagram
*constantly sending more players to the game intensifies*
13:23 The Roman adviser to the Roman empire during the fall of Rome be like:
The designers for the Goths has sense of humour. They give us the last upgrade for the stone but we can't make walls. Although, they know we will be spamming Huskarl but we won't get the last upgrade for the gold.
The Stone is used for the Castles, every brick of stone wasted on a wall or gate is stone not spent on building castles. They want you to push with Castles and use Huskarls to take out archers and siege. So rather than an F, i will give them a D on the virtue that the stone invested is getting their money's worth in the only thing that matters: Several Castles up and running to pump out Huskarls to deal with the Siege as usual counters to Infantry like Scorpion and Hand Cannoneers are hard countered by them
@@MrAsaqe But why go castles when barracks pump out faster?
@@sahilrai5519 castle will cement your territorial win
@@sahilrai5519 defence and offense at the same time
balance... i supposed...
Wouldn't the Goths have amazing synergy with the Slavs? 20% faster-working barracks that each add 5 population meaning fewer houses required? It sounds heavenly.
Jagar Alagoria
Jojo: OH MY GOD!
No comments on their creepy-ass jingle?
"Jolly good chaps, we got one!" gg you got me, I'm dead now
Put a time stamp with your quotes please. Lol :)
9:16
Thanks Kilian Stöpler
xD
Hey bud! Just wanted to say thank you for all the great information! I grew up with age of empires in my highschool days and have great memories with my childhood friends when it comes to this game. Although we were never as technical we always had fun. I bought the definitive edition recently and your channel has been a blessing to understanding the game. Ive been having a lil marathon watching your videos and just wanted to say that its much appreciated!
hey Spirit of The Law, Love your vids. love this game! I am surprised, however, that you didn't speak about the fact that if you convert a Gothic barracks, it retains its faster unit creation speed! If you didn't already know, now you do. (: keep up the good work, mate! I hope to get as big as you one day
As usual you made a good overview. However. as you said : They can make quick walling (palissade + House in the beginning of the game.) and get Architecture on the end of the game. Making their castle (with palissade) really reliable castle. F is a bit too much. That would be more like a D. D-. But yeah. They basically get the worst defences of the game.
+ADJAX yeah, it's sort of an F in a relative sense to everyone else. You're right that walling with houses and buildings is still completely viable
Spirit Of The Law Maybe your grades tend to be a bit too generous for me, so it shocked me a bit to see an F. Your grades seems to be configured for equilibrate civilisations like the teutons or the spanish. However, civilisation a bit "one trick pony" as goth or franks (or even huns) tend to be a bit undergraded compared to the average civ of your review
+ADJAX if any one can make a wall of buildings and sticks, and it's not really that strong, if you have only the basic of defensive towers..how is that not bad? I think and F (although I hate that letter-rating system) seems like a respectable grade.
daddyleon Well.. They still got architecture. Which makes their buildings stronger.
Even if a lot of you never make that tech than can make a HUG difference.
+ADJAX I know, but that one tech... doesn't turn a house or palisade into a Fortified Wall. I'm not aware of any other civ with worse defenses, Huns don't have houses to wall with, but they do have stone walls... so... yeah.
Hands down, my favorite civ
"Noooo you can't make an endless wave of almost free infantry!"
"ahaha goth machine goes brrrrr"
That goth gameplan. Damn.
OrlovKruskayev
It was lacking Zerg rush!
This video needs a redo now ngl
One of the best overviews I've seen. Very in depth keep it up!
ZERGS IN KEVLAR
hahahaha i never noticed that before!
It's strange I have been playing AoE 2 for so long but always casually. I never thought of the things that save me 1 or 2 seconds. It's strange to me to see it all so mathematically laid out, very interesting. The best thing I find with Goths is that Huskarls are a bit more expensive than champions they have that sweet range defense and a great building/archer damage.
Where can you find these polls? Very interesting videos by the way. I'm by no means an AoE expert but I like your deep analysis on just about everything.
It's not a perfect poll by any means, but you're welcome to try it out for fun. It's the "Best Civ For You" Quiz: www.quiz-maker.com/Q4142C
There's also a "Worst Civ For You" that instead gives points to civs that don't match your responses: www.quiz-maker.com/QPU3VR
and thanks for the kind words :)
Great test Spirit, was dead on to me. The way I answered I expected to get Byzantines, but ended up getting the Spanish which are my favorite civ lol.
Haha Japanese is the least common outcome so far! Nobody likes Japanese!
Paul den Hollander / 03data Japanese are my favorite
Japanese and Teutons are my fav civ :p
This was your funniest civ overview, I lost it a couple of times. Great video!
Hey spirit! just to let you know, i'm really loving the high quality content of your videos aswell the personal touch you add to each one, making these statistical/matematical for super tryhard strats ,commonly boring videos extremely hilarious and fun to watch, i never caught myself managing to watch more than 5 minutes of a game video without getting bored unless it was a stream, much less if its a statistical/review video, but here im watching all those 10-25 min video without even realising the time flew, and besides that, i would like to thank the work you're doing for the comunity of aoe since until the releases of hd and forgotten empires we were really abandoned despite our high numbers and we didn't have a big space on youtube (as you might have realized because of the extremely large subscriber influx making your channel grow) which leads me to ask, are you feeling overwhelmed or somewhat nervous due to your ever increasing large audience, considering just a few months ago you were doing videos for a crowd of just about 100 people? I know you said due to that you were gonna focus solely on aoe and that you're not running out of ideas, but you didn't seem so sure about the quality of those.
I've rarely play AoE nowadays. But your videos are so well made and your voice is so nice that its great to watch!
Spirit, I would love to see you review the Turks next. I believe that they are grossly underrated and they need some love.
6 Years later hearing that anarchy joke still makes me chuckle every time!
23:48 just makes me laugh so much
Lolololololololo yeah. XD
Basically what every Goth late game look like
You're intro in so enjoyable that I come here just to see that. Awesome vid.
Every time any raids enter my base after passing my meatstreams i just relocate my spam marker into my eco for 5 seconds. That usually takes care of things. I find that working fine as defense. Only works very well in imp, but better than F indeed.
The "...it's the same thing, although I prefer the first wording"-part, always cracked me up. The way this line is delivered slightly different... It's so sincere, like his OCD just couldn't leave it out. People talk about how Spirit is a math-freak, and for me, this is the prime example. Man, I love you. Your attention to detail is unmatched!
Cheers
17:07 Wait, a Red Cobra?
what magic is this?
Mods i guess.
***** That's how you summon the cobra, i am referring to why its a red color.
+zukodude487987 its because of the civs color ı guess
Burak Dursun Last time i checked its blue on all civs, i don't think you have played AoE2 that much.
You think so? First of all you could choose yours before starting a game and ai's colors are random so I think you are the one that havent played AoE
excellent breakdown of the Goths. I'm looking forward to watching more of these.
Where is the Lego-Intro?
I love it! :)
+Sir Orrin Productions You did it, right?
You are awesome ^-^
Maybe one of the best reviews yet i think. Covers all areas really good
i've been playing goths the last few days and they're soooooooooooo good and fun. I love magyars but goths might be even more fun. unbelievable how you can just overwhelm people with numbers with this civ. Although i'm still better with magyars because scout and cavalry rushes are so strong
Almost nobody talks about how good and how greatly structured this is :c
Goths: "Who needs seige, when you can just melee?"
I can listen to you for hours man. Nice humor you got.
its probably more cost effective to just build 4 more huscarl than to get a monk to heal, honestly
swagalina
If the enemy is still standing, you haven't thrown enough Huskarls at it
I really like these videos bud! Subbed after watching about six of them.
Ha nice. Already been five years?
Age of Empires BGM = nostalgia
Two years on and that dramatic zoom to the drum beat at the beginning still gets me.
Never liked them fifteen years ago for the walls issue, love them for the online play!
Great video! I Hope the Franks will be next being a really underrated civ with a underrated UU
16:14
Caps Lock:
*_UNLEASH THE FURY_*
Goths were one of my favourite civilizations to play with with friends (we kinda tried to pick unique civs as a house-rule, btw).
I love the goths. My friends always talk shit when i choose them because of the palisade walls but ive beaten them 1v2 with the power of infinite huskarls
10:18 "And they do get crushed one on one" LOL I love it when he says that
lol Gothic architecture was never built by the goths. It was several centuries later. The term was an insult to the first architect to use the style but it stick. Like the term desert rats: a german insult of the Australians in WW2 that stuck and is now on banners at parade. Tory, wig in british politics were both once insults as was the term cockney in London.
+Wesley Bruce didn't the gothic architecture origin in France?
+Wesley Bruce 200 years from now we will be appreciating the artistic insight brought to us from the proud Hipster Douche movement.
+PrimordialNightmare I think so. Anyway, the important thing is that Gothic architecture was a derogatory term used by established Catholic peoples several centuries after we really saw anything of the Goths in Europe save for some small localized tribes.
Yes its was developed in France and the closest Goth region was in spain. Generally the Goths adopted the Gnostic heresy and were thus quickly overrun by islam so the jibe had very complex religious contexts.
Wesley Bruce The Goths were also in Italy for a while.
That Goth gag at the beginning gets me every time. XD
Zergs in kevlar. :D Good one.
Sorry if I'm resurrecting an old video but I used to play this game all the time on PC in college and just downloaded the console version for nostalgia and I was kinda surprised to find so much content.
Goth used to be my go to back in the day and my roommates would usually play Briton or French.
We had some epic battles against one another. The goth ran so the zerg could swarm.
Wait, why the heck do the goths have gunpowder?
They stole it from the Chinese.
2015,playing Fallout 4...but after few videos of yours...where is my AoE2 folder? :D Great videos, didn't expect such science!Good job! :)
For all of those who suffer and can't beat the Goths and their infinite Army on Imperial Age. Here's how to beat them: Kill them in Feudal and Castle Age :)
Goth is extremely weak on feudal and early castle, until the get a Castle up and can field the Huskarl.
A. Anderson
Goths do have a huge powerspike in Castle Age the minute they lay down that castle. Huskarl is quite a beastly castle age unit, with 10 atk and 6 PA(can be cost effectively beat knights AND trash), I 'd dare say a Huskarl rush is possible.
@@anirudhviswanathan3986 I managed to win a few nomad games using this strategy. And even when I coudn't win, I did massive eco damage to the opponet. So yeah, screw knight rushes, use huskarls instead.
Why is this my favorite video on TH-cam??
Loved it! Also, loved the F on defense, who needs goalkeepers anyways? I figured on a "free for all with 3 hard bots" (3v1) game, that castle age fighting won't get you too far as goths, which is odd, considering that their imperial blacksmith techs are missing. Are goths more powerful imperial because of gunpowder units?
+Uzii I believe it is because of their ability to spam huge armies extremely quickly.
If goths could boom massive Economies in the castle age, and we're stuck there, they would still be good. The main difference between imperial and castle age is either military or economy. Ever see a 120 villager castle age? Me neither, at that point getting to imp is chump change.
+Uzii you mean anyway?
At first I was outraged that the goths didn't have any good walls or gates, but then I watched this channel and started using the overwhelm and conquer tactic. Thanks a lot.
The gothic architecture was invented in France, so by the Franks (whose wonder is indeed a "gothic" cathedral). The first place to have a gothic cathedral was in Saint Denis, not far from Paris, a place that had been conquered by the Franks (and ruled ever since), not the Goths (who were mostly in Italy, southern France and Spain).
It was named "gothic" during the 19th century, period that was quite a bit the "historical inaccuracy festival"). Surely to give it a barbarian name since it broke with the roman architecture, but yeah the term "gothic" was meant to be insulting at the beginning.
9:22 RIP wolf buddy
"I just wanted to help"
I won Hastings with throwing axemen vs huskarls.
Throwing Axeman are infantry so their attacks aren't counted as a projectile damage
Franks seem to be one of the few cavalry based civs that don't instantly panic when they see Goths. Pallies+TAs is a great combo. You immediately shut down halbs as an answer to the Franks.
Anirudh Viswanathan The hardest part for the Goths is taking out the Throwing Axemen cost-effectively, but if you can do that, you're golden.
This brings back good memories. One thing you missed is that Huskarls are quite fast. I believe they are still among the fastest sword infantry in the game. That's one of the keys to a Goth offense. It's not just that you can dump masses of infantry onto the field cheaply, it's that they get into action very quickly.
An F for their defences is a bit harsh, being able to spawn instantly a wall of infantry in your base is even better than having stone walls, I actually am better at defending my base with the goths than with any other civ.
Oh and talk about Incas next ! They are really fun and polyvalent civ but I don't know how good they are
+Ironfists MC I think that's more down to the economy bonus of cheap infantry.
They aren't good at defending, they are good at bouncing back, if the opponent can't follow through fast enough.
16:15 Last time I tried to unleash my unit, I was put on a list and told not to come back to the school.
lol that spanish villager
I'm not much of a AoE2 player, but I really love these video's.
Do francs please!!!!
Wtf que haces acá xd
"There's nothing stopping them!"
Mass Samurai: *laugh*
Haha...subtitle shows huskarl as house girls
I've started watching your videos a month ago. That HATE for the Saracen bonus make me laugh every time!
+Spirit Of The Law I don't mean to be critical, but in a lot of your videos (including this one) you will compare costs of units using only the gold cost. while in post imperial age this may be the biggest cost factor as resources begin to run low, you cant completely ignore food/wood, especially in the earlier stages of a game. in order to get those resources, you need to have villagers working: wood and food aren't free. wood does gather faster than gold so it is easier to get, but food is the real difficult resource to get early on (late feudal-imperial). Not only do you have to pay the 60 wood initial cost for farms, but gold also gathers much faster than farms. Therefore, it takes more villager working time to get equivalent amounts of food and gold. so one food is worth more than one gold.
because of this, the numbers you used comparing huskarls to knights favors huskarls much more than it truly should as huskarls cost 52 food and 26 gold and knights cost 75 gold and 60 food. if u only count gold, huskarls are a third the price of knights when they are really 58% of the price of a knight if u add food and gold together. when you account for the faster collection of gold versus food and the initial price of farms, it makes huskarls even less favorable if we are using villager working seconds as a unit.
just my thoughts, no malice intended. your videos are great! keep up the good work.
Please upload another soon... I miss the soothing calm sound of your voice
back when I played AOE2 I remember that population was capped at 200, when did it change?
in HD and voobly pop limit was increased, can now go up to 500 on steam HD and 1000 on voobly. But no one plays with those except in specific cases. It would lag like hell in the late game
since the HD edition came out
Sabrowsky Most games are played with a limit of 300 now
After all this years the intro is hell of fun.
what do u think about the idea of a kinda feudal rush with men at arms with goths? usually a feudal rush is made by archers or scout cavallery but the infantry is so cheap that in my opinion this should work aswell
+lennartgro i sometimes use man at arms, although like jerry its with the japanese but it would probably work better with goths. ill usually build one barracks and one archery range. man at arms and skirms is a deadly combo since they cover each others weaknesses. unfortunately, it costs a lot of food and once u go to castle they be come virtually useless since they upgrade to long swordsmen and we all know how good they are in castle, and skirms only counter archers and they are countered by every single other unit, esp knights and mangonels. still a solid strategy, just don't over-invest in those units.
Joe Smith
True. Best to follow that flush with a Castle Drop+ Huskarl rush. Then it is pretty much gg.
i play AoE since it was not the HD version, but, for the first time I have realised that team bonus applies to all your allies. thanks spirit of the law.