@@patrickcollins1855 OG Aunt Viv got the boot by the producers for being "difficult" and such after season 3. She was pregnant at the time and in a relationship that she said was abusive. As she only appeared in a handful of episodes during season 3, the producers offered her a new contract for the following season with her appearing in half of the season (and a lower salary). The OG Harriet left after the first half of the final season because the writers kept cramming everything onto Urkel and whatnot, with the storyline involving Urkel becoming tiresome. In addition to this, she wanted for years to write or direct an episode, but never got the chance, so she was done and left after that last Christmas episode in season 9.
At the end of the day Jo Marie Payton says she still loves all her castmates as true family. That speak volumes! I remember watching the cast reunion and felt the true warmth and close ties from all of them ❤️
Jo Marie Payton is iconic to me! I pray she stay blessed and safe. Her acting was always electric! Her mannerisms and facial expressions was always on point! All the ethnic women and men that play parents on hit family shows need to be celebrated more because they affect the young public culture in positive ways.
I remember Jo Marie sitting in as a guest judge on BET's old 'Comic View' show - along with "Uncle Phil" (James Avery) from Fresh Prince. Hollywood is a "beast" in general and always much harder for dignified Black actors like Jo Marie. Ole girl super talented Viola Davis damn near had a meltdown over lack of quality Black roles before she got that series. Many talented Black actors just gave up and left the biz..
this makes alot of sense now...in the later years as the characters ect began to develop more, it did kinda seem like Harriet became more just the typical quite at home mom vs her more outward personality from earlier years. She also did have very good comedic timing and really timing in general. after a while it seemed like it was kinda pushed to the back as far as narratives
Interesting breakdown and comments section. But yeah didn't even know it switched networks let alone just under a decade run is gonna have stuff run stale after 5 years. The proud urkel in a dress vid was ridiculous but I guess it's the style now.
Urkels popularity was like the effect of fans gravitating to J.J. Evans on Good Times. And the uptight ask, "Why they like THIS Goofy dude?!". . because we can relate. I was never a fan of replacing an established cast member, like here, and in the case of Aunt Viv. It's confusing, just kill the character off, or say they're visiting St. Louis like Fred Sanford.
the reason family matters change was bad is because the show was meant for a full family not JUST the kids. when urkel came in, it was all.about stupid laughter. kiddy or teen laughter. where it used to be some laughter, some pain, some feels. we still got some of that but mostly there was urkel to distract from the fullness of it
@@agonleed3841 ...I agree one hundred percent. But they was hitting up the big Neilson Ratings because of Urkel crossover appeal and scene-stealing. There is only one Cosby Show so they needed one good goofy. But I looked at 227 as a serious balanced family show.
So true and it's crazy how they replaced Harriet and Aunt Vivian with lighter skin Black Women and I wish that Family Matters would've kept Judy(Maybe just maybe the real person that played her might've been more successful and not dove into the world of porn)and as well as gave Aunt Rachel and Richie more story lines,and made Eddie's and Waldo's Friend Weasel a a permanent character 💯💯💯💯💯
Always looked at Harriet's character reminded me of my mom(r.i.p.) She gave a balance that everyone can't pull off. I watched family matters religiously. Still watch the re runs today. It gave me the purpose, Family Matters! Love peace and hairgrease.
YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND, WHEN STEVE URKEL CAME ON THE SHOW IN EPISODE 12, THAT'S WHEN THE PRODUCERS MADE A HUGE CHANGE TO JUST FOCUSING ON HIM. SO AFTER 9 LONG ASS YEARS OF STEVE DOING FUNNY BUT STUPID SHIT, IT JUST GOT BORING -N- JO MARIE PAYTON WAS LIKE "AIGHT IT'S TIME FOR ME TO GO IT'S BEEN TOO DAMN LONG" SO I DON'T BLAME HER FOR WANTING TO LEAVE.
@@AggravatedMan365 YEAH MAN URKEL WAS GETTING TOO OLD TO BE IN SOME DAMN SUSPENDERS -N- TIGHT ASS HIGH WATERS WITH BIG SHOES -N- GLASSES THE PRODUCERS TRIED TO SAVE THE SHOW BUT WHEN JO MARIE PAYTON LEFT, FAMILY MATTERS WAS ABOUT TO BE DONE. IT HAD IT'S RUN.
@@stewrobb2329 JO MARIE PAYTON ALSO PLAYED ON MOESHA, THE JAMIE FOXX SHOW, THE PARKERS, GIRLFRIENDS, MEET THE BROWNS, SHE DID THE VOICE FOR SUGA MAMA FROM "THE PROUD FAMILY" SHORTLY AFTER FAMILY MATTERS ENDED SO LET'S GIVE JO MARIE PAYTON HER FLOWERS 💐
Yeah, after a while people just weaned themselves off of family matters. Kids got older and weren't watching as much. I didn't know they switched Harriettes until it was in syndication 2 or 3 years after the show ended
@@thepoeticbutcher3370 Season 1, 1972, Lamont Gets a Pad. Yeah, she was good to go. Although...Lamont's girlfriend Judy Ann Fisher, played by Jeannie Bell, in the "Lamont is that You" episode, gives Darlene some strong competition. -Later
Family Matters might've began as a spinoff from Perfect Strangers, but Family Matters is remembered while the latter is forgotten. And its all thanks to Jomarie Peyton's role. And she helped hollywood create a show that helped define a generation in the 90s.
It's pure ego that they didn't embrace J White when he joined the cast. Dude had to play the clown and wear a dress but him being there brought enough mainstream viewers that carried the show 9 years. They got paid for 9 years and are still getting paid royalties for syndication. I'd be thanking White every chance I got if I was a cast member.
What are talking about cause according to J White and the cop dad was like a second parents to him it was Laura and Eddie who had issues with him being the star the younger actors who had beef with him when they was teens which they grew out off and they still talk to each other tell this day
@@crazymtfcrazyblue3142 Where in my comment did I say it was Jo or VelJohnson that had an issue? She said "some people" and I'm commenting about those "some people".
@@crazymtfcrazyblue3142 Why would I need to specify? Using "they" by definition is referring to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified. Jo used "some people" and didn't specify. By me saying "they" I'm referring to whomever Jo was referring to. Basic English noun and pronoun usage.
Switching networks is a kiss of death.... Generally when they move, it's only for one season.. One show that comes to mind is Diff'rent Strokes.. Similar fate...
@@Toya2529 i ain't say all that now lol but also Technically they canceled Girlfriends and a bunch of shows on other networks cause of the writers strike around 2008
I agree cause the urkel character made family matters and you always learned something from him and he was a true friend and on top of that his character blew up so big that he even had his own line of urkel dolls in the mid 90's now that was huge for him.
True. But they were definitely overdoing it by the time the series ended. And that's why she left. It was her star vehicle only for her to be upstaged a young kid who not only was a scene stealer but completely took over after the first season. Same in the case with _Good Times_ with Esther Rolle's star vehicle only to have JJ become the main star.
That’s what is wrong with black people they like foolishness and then when y’all get nothing but foolishness y’all complain that’s what you get when you support foolishness
@@JessicaL3003 Exactly, the show was intended to be a more relatable version of the Cosby Show and then it turned into something different. Some people love to sell their integrity for a dollar.
jaleel white was without a doubt the star of the show. however when marie jo payton left, it completely changed the show. it wasnt the same and definitely jumped the shark.
Yeah, They Had Urkel making clones of himself robots, moon crafts and shit.. Lol.. The Character just became waay to over-saturated.. This Ninjas 25yrs old still in high-waters & suspenders.. lol.. I don't blame her for leaving..
I mean they were switching up and writing off different cast members esp ones that made the show funny . After they got rid of rachel and ritchie waldo then harriet left it was dry.
@@nathanielraydavis708 dont get me wrong urkel was still funny as hell 🤣🤣🤣 but i didnt like how they got rid of certain supporting cast members that made family matters funny as hell. Like waldo and weasel lol then how do u get rid of baby ritchie his mom rachel and make 3j a main cast member tho 😑😑
Almost the same thing happened with Goodtimes. Florida was Maudes maid, then JJ became the star. Same tjings happened here. It was her show, but Urkle became the star. Im sure she had feelings over it.
This show was a staple in our household when I was a young child. Even my grandparents, who hardly watched television, would tune in to watch the show.
Family Matters changed a lot as it went along. At some point, viewers may have asked, "Does family matter?" Judy disappeared, Rachel was gone except for a couple guest appearances, and Grandma wasn't around. Waldo also disappeared. They shouldn't have recast Harriet. They should've spread those 8 shows throughout the season, having Harriet get a job where she has to travel or something. The network switch and the Harriet switch were the final straws for the show.
Yeah it wasn't the same without the original crew and I believe around the time they moved to CVS the woman who played grandmother Winslow she passed away
I dont know about you, but I actually liked how it ended the way it did. The longest running subplot of the series was Urkel trying his damndest to win Laura's heart despite how much she desperately tried to avoid him (I even enjoyed the time with the 'rival' love interest Myra). Over the years, Laura really opened up to Steve and by the final season they were actually going to get married. And the series finale was pretty much Steve's final obstacle toward that eventual wedding.
There should be a 30-year episode, with carl being retired for 10 to 15 years, and Eddie and married or divorced teenager along with Steve and Laura having either teenagers or college age kids, as well as getting ready to retire from the police force. Rachel being remarried and Ritchie having middle school or early high school age kids, waldo happily married with college age kids. Steve could be working on a covid treatment and both of them being very financially successful.
I just didn't understand why they would not at least try to replace them with someone who looks just like them. They get a completely different looking person and they always replaced them with someone lighter. That's just crazy!
Surprised that you didn't mention the youngest child. They took her off the show and they thought the audience wouldn't wonder what happened to the youngest child.
When the writers introduced Stephan, instead of giving Urkel the girl he so desperately wanted, i knew the show was losing it. When they made Stephan an actual cast member, i turned the show off‼️
Steve having to turn into someone else in order for Laura to like him.instead of being with Myra who accepted him for who he was.should have been the best time to turn off the show.
MAN Family Matters was one of my favorite shows growing up I loved it it was awesome the story of how the show was it was amazing it's crazy how they move Networks Family Matters will be the best always
Jaleel definitely holds in alot about those 9 years spent on the show he undoubtedly was the star and that may have began drama that he or other cast mates dont talk about atleast publicly
Family Matters is my all time favorite. When Jo left I definitely wasn't feeling the new Harriet. Especially that episode when Eddie became a police and got shot or shot at I believe. Jo Marie would have handled that scene so much better. They should have said Harriet went away for work or something instead of replacing her.
It was just awkward and a waste of that woman, Judy Ann’s time. You can’t change a character of 9 years out and think the audience is gonna respond well. The showrunners put that woman in such a rough spot. Not to mention she came into an established show that was a family.
Family Matters really had a place in my heart . They don’t depict us like that anymore in front of a screen . (strong melanated characters with moral , principles and values .)
I feel like the show was great. The addition of Jaleel White may have been intrusive at first, but it worked out for the best. I can understand Jo Marie leaving because she felt that nothing else could be done. Honestly, I would have loved to see Laura and Steve getting married and the show ending that way, but unfortunately, we got left with a cliffhanger and have to guess how the dust settled after that.
People who are on sitcoms should always spread their wings cause the biggest mistake is being to comfortable and not knowing what's next once its over.
It pissed me off when people started calling the show "Urkel" instead of "Family Matters". That's when I knew that things had taken a turn for the worst. The whole "J.J. Evans vs Good Times" debacle had made its comeback. Whoever a student show, due to audience feedback, begins focusing on a singular character, rather than the entire cast, you know that the end is near. Losing focus on a show's original vision is detrimental to its own survival. 🧐
Another thing that they don't talk about is how Judy Winslow went upstairs at the end of the 2nd or 3rd season and never came back down. A whole child disappeared from the family and they didn't even bother to try to explain what happened.
@@InIversal True but what is also very sad is that she has been left out of Family Matters reunions? I know about the whole adult films she did etc to make money after the was let go from the show. She has kept in touch with Shawn Harrison aka Waldo and Daruis McCrary aka Eddie.
I read the comment about her leaving Perfect Strangers a few years ago and it left me wondering who in the cast it was she got the nasty "bite" from. Mark Linn-Baker (Larry) actually guested on the Season 9 "Pain in Harassment" episode as an abusive boss JoMarie tells off - in probably the last episode to fully center on Harriet, and in what was a nice full circle close to the first episode which saw her get laid off and secure a new job with another amazing speech. So, I would assume it wasn't him, unless he came around later or something (I guess it could have been Bronson Pinchot but it'll probably never be known). Anyway I remember that being the last "good" episode of the show that struck just the right balance - its a shame more of the show's later episodes didn't have that.
I have that same question about PS, who was she talking about? I have read that Bronson Pinchot wasn't always nice to people and could be very difficult to work with.
I definitely think Jomarie should should have stayed, if your a actor you have to be grateful to be working. Your on a hit show and your getting paid well and your getting a consistent income. There’s a lot of people who would love to be on a hit show sometimes you have to just stick things out.
*you're i don't normally correct grammar, but you used 'your" wrong so many times. you're = you are your is for ownership (such as your book, your car, your parents)
It was just a few more episodes left I would it would make sense if she left on the seventh season or 8th But to leave with just a few more episodes left she might as well had finished
They always replace a dark skinned actor with a light skinned actor, when black actors start not going with the program. anyone else notice that? they associate defiance with darker skin, and think lighter black people are easier to work with.
They went with a new direction judy didn’t bring anything to the show to be honest it was focused on eddie, laura, lil Richie and steve. That’s why she went porn
@@leecanash9538 u are so right about that one Every time I be seen that show of family matters after me watching first episode of it Always be notice Judy normally be staying upstairs but don't hardly never come back down then decied to join right along with the Winslow family I guess thats why the producer manage to exit her out of a show ..
@@leecanash9538 they was focused on eddie,laura,lil richie and Steve They added 3j played by Orlando brown in one of those seasons But he didn't stay too long Cuz they kept on changing different cast members
I did not watch the show after it moved to CBS mostly because I was at high school football games by then. But it’s not really a big deal that she left the show, she played Harriet for 10 years including Perfect Strangers so that for an actor to play the same character for 10 years straight is very unusual. But also consider the amount of personal time this takes, working 10-12 hours a day, four to five days a week for 8-9 months a year for close to a decade would be exhausting.
I Wonder If Comedy Hype Has A Video On Why Jaimie Foxworth Was Written Out Of Family Matters,It's As If Her Character Judy Winslow Just Disappeared!!! The Same Thing Happened Years Earlier On 227 Too,At First Rose Holloway Was A Widowed Single Mother With A Daughter Named Tiffany,She And Brenda Were Close Friends,But Later Her Character Was Written Out Of The Show And Never Mentioned Again And Rose Was Just A Single Woman,As If She Never Had A Child.
I wasn’t old enough to watch Family Matters as it released, but watching re-runs my mind was blown when they recasted her character. The second actress didn’t even change up the dynamic like Reid taking over for Huber, the replacement actress just didn’t seem like she wanted to be there.
I remember watching Family Matters. It wasn’t a show, I’d try to catch, but I did see it from time to time. I didn’t feel it, but it was kinda funny. Just wasn’t my cup of tea as a teenager.
idk why the cast would be jealous of a character that gave yall a paycheck for 8 years. i don't believe that family matters would have lasted more than a season without the steve character.
I think what people sometimes forget is that she played Harriet Winslow 49 years on Family Matters and three years on perfect strangers that's 12 years of playing the same exact character even on a sitcom that you enjoy as an actress I can imagine it that feels limiting and stifling
Let's all be honest here: The ONLY reason Family Matters made it to season 2, possible 3, was because of the character of Steve Urkel. People like to call it the Steve Urkel Show, but it truly was. Once it went to ABC, for sure, that show was destined to be taken out back and executed. On a side note, I am glad to see Richie cut that nasty, greasy jerry curl mop he called hair, but why was there no picture of Myra? It was nice that the grandmother got one, but Myra was WAY MORE intricate to the show than Richie or Rachel were.
It's SOOO TRUE about the 'Chemistry' on the set.. especially IF an actor had played the role on the series for MANY years. I *DO* find it odd that Producers would bring in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT actress to play the same role as the previous actress, like to think we the audience 'wouldn't' notice. They did that SOOOO many times.. and in the end, we the audience KNEW the show's days were numbered.
Darius is extremely out of touch. Despite how funny Steve was on the show, had it been in todays “game”, the show wouldn’t even have lasted as long as it did. Social media would’ve created a buzz and as always people would jump on the bandwagon but that wouldn’t have been enough.
I remember reading in article right she left family matters and she said bc the shoe turned into Steve and his inventions instead of the “family mattering”
First off, We Love Harriet Winslow....but a spin off was *NOT* about to compete with the heat that Urkel was bringing back then. People can say what they want *now* about his act was "tired, repetitive" but in the 90's....that was must see T.V. it would take a Fresh Prince or a Martin to compete with that! *FACTS*
As much as her departure did disrupt the chemistry of the Winslow family, I can’t blame Ms. Payton for leaving when she did, ‘cause she’s totally right about the show’s declining quality at the time. That final season was mad goofy, so I can’t fault her for getting off a sinking ship before it went under.
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JoMarie Payton (Harriet) and Janet Hubert (Aunt Viv) were the best TV moms until their replacement arrived. And the two shows were never the same.
I think I stopped watching Fresh Prince after ,they changed moms.
@@patrickcollins1855 OG Aunt Viv got the boot by the producers for being "difficult" and such after season 3. She was pregnant at the time and in a relationship that she said was abusive. As she only appeared in a handful of episodes during season 3, the producers offered her a new contract for the following season with her appearing in half of the season (and a lower salary). The OG Harriet left after the first half of the final season because the writers kept cramming everything onto Urkel and whatnot, with the storyline involving Urkel becoming tiresome. In addition to this, she wanted for years to write or direct an episode, but never got the chance, so she was done and left after that last Christmas episode in season 9.
TRUTH!!!
I could tolerate replacement Aunt Viv, the replacement for Harreit was terrible imo. She didn't fit the roll at all.
@@DAM251983 Honestly, I think I straight up stopped watching when Harriet was replaced. That new chick did nothing for me.🤷
The new Harriet couldn't compare to the old one she just was irreplaceable
Just like New Aunt Viv couldn't compare to the old Aunt Viv
I never saw the cbs version until a few years back on syndication and when I saw the new Harriette I was like nope!
@@Kamgolf 😂😂😂😂she tried but nahhh
And her voice
Notice how both of them suddenly got lighter. Apparently those women were too black for television.
At the end of the day Jo Marie Payton says she still loves all her castmates as true family. That speak volumes!
I remember watching the cast reunion and felt the true warmth and close ties from all of them ❤️
The granny on family matters was so loveable R.I.P Queen
That was a mean old Lady & very manipulative!!!
Jo Marie Payton is iconic to me! I pray she stay blessed and safe. Her acting was always electric! Her mannerisms and facial expressions was always on point! All the ethnic women and men that play parents on hit family shows need to be celebrated more because they affect the young public culture in positive ways.
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I remember Jo Marie sitting in as a guest judge on BET's old 'Comic View' show - along with "Uncle Phil" (James Avery) from Fresh Prince. Hollywood is a "beast" in general and always much harder for dignified Black actors like Jo Marie. Ole girl super talented Viola Davis damn near had a meltdown over lack of quality Black roles before she got that series. Many talented Black actors just gave up and left the biz..
this makes alot of sense now...in the later years as the characters ect began to develop more, it did kinda seem like Harriet became more just the typical quite at home mom vs her more outward personality from earlier years. She also did have very good comedic timing and really timing in general. after a while it seemed like it was kinda pushed to the back as far as narratives
Facts
Good Optics
Interesting breakdown and comments section. But yeah didn't even know it switched networks let alone just under a decade run is gonna have stuff run stale after 5 years. The proud urkel in a dress vid was ridiculous but I guess it's the style now.
Mrs. Payton is a GREAT ACTRESS!
Good singer too
Lmao
Urkels popularity was like the effect of fans gravitating to J.J. Evans on Good Times. And the uptight ask, "Why they like THIS Goofy dude?!". . because we can relate. I was never a fan of replacing an established cast member, like here, and in the case of Aunt Viv. It's confusing, just kill the character off, or say they're visiting St. Louis like Fred Sanford.
the reason family matters change was bad is because the show was meant for a full family not JUST the kids. when urkel came in, it was all.about stupid laughter. kiddy or teen laughter. where it used to be some laughter, some pain, some feels. we still got some of that but mostly there was urkel to distract from the fullness of it
@@agonleed3841 ...I agree one hundred percent. But they was hitting up the big Neilson Ratings because of Urkel crossover appeal and scene-stealing. There is only one Cosby Show so they needed one good goofy. But I looked at 227 as a serious balanced family show.
So true and it's crazy how they replaced Harriet and Aunt Vivian with lighter skin Black Women and I wish that Family Matters would've kept Judy(Maybe just maybe the real person that played her might've been more successful and not dove into the world of porn)and as well as gave Aunt Rachel and Richie more story lines,and made Eddie's and Waldo's Friend Weasel a a permanent character 💯💯💯💯💯
@@agonleed3841 exactly, I heard it was supposed to be your typical Cosby show about family..... until it became all about Steve Urkel
Yeah because Estelle Rolle wasn’t a fan of all that “Dyn-o-mite” ish and neither was the dad.
And suffered it did. That show was never the same without her.❤️
Always looked at Harriet's character reminded me of my mom(r.i.p.) She gave a balance that everyone can't pull off. I watched family matters religiously. Still watch the re runs today. It gave me the purpose, Family Matters! Love peace and hairgrease.
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
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Facts, she had an authenticity when playing the character
MAN, FAMILY MATTERS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SHOWS OF THE 90's!
Says nobody
Mine too, still watch the reruns when they come on!😊
ME TOO
YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND, WHEN STEVE URKEL CAME ON THE SHOW IN EPISODE 12, THAT'S WHEN THE PRODUCERS MADE A HUGE CHANGE TO JUST FOCUSING ON HIM. SO AFTER 9 LONG ASS YEARS OF STEVE DOING FUNNY BUT STUPID SHIT, IT JUST GOT BORING -N- JO MARIE PAYTON WAS LIKE "AIGHT IT'S TIME FOR ME TO GO IT'S BEEN TOO DAMN LONG" SO I DON'T BLAME HER FOR WANTING TO LEAVE.
It did stale after a while
@@AggravatedMan365 YEAH MAN URKEL WAS GETTING TOO OLD TO BE IN SOME DAMN SUSPENDERS -N- TIGHT ASS HIGH WATERS WITH BIG SHOES -N- GLASSES THE PRODUCERS TRIED TO SAVE THE SHOW BUT WHEN JO MARIE PAYTON LEFT, FAMILY MATTERS WAS ABOUT TO BE DONE. IT HAD IT'S RUN.
thank you!
10 years including her time on Perfect Strangers was longer than average so it’s not a surprise she was ready to go.
@@stewrobb2329 JO MARIE PAYTON ALSO PLAYED ON MOESHA, THE JAMIE FOXX SHOW, THE PARKERS, GIRLFRIENDS, MEET THE BROWNS, SHE DID THE VOICE FOR SUGA MAMA FROM "THE PROUD FAMILY" SHORTLY AFTER FAMILY MATTERS ENDED SO LET'S GIVE JO MARIE PAYTON HER FLOWERS 💐
I must’ve fell off the earth or never watched beyond all the seasons she was in bc I never knew she quit the show
Same here...The actress that replaced played Gina's mother on Martin and Lamont's girlfriend "Darlene" on Sanford and Son.
Yeah, after a while people just weaned themselves off of family matters. Kids got older and weren't watching as much. I didn't know they switched Harriettes until it was in syndication 2 or 3 years after the show ended
You didn't miss much it was maybe 5-6 episodes of the very last season
@@Still-Learning ……Damn age gets us all. Darlene was some fine.
@@thepoeticbutcher3370 Season 1, 1972, Lamont Gets a Pad. Yeah, she was good to go.
Although...Lamont's girlfriend Judy Ann Fisher, played by Jeannie Bell, in the "Lamont is that You" episode, gives Darlene some strong competition.
-Later
I honestly just pretend as if that last season didn’t even exist because of how terrible the direction went.
Except for Eddie's cop storyline
Same with Martin show last season was 🗑!
@@yeahisaidit5633 yeah once Gina missed the boat and all of a sudden went out of town for her job,the vibe wasn't the same.
@@yeahisaidit5633 True... but as bad as it was it was still 5x better than season 9 of Family Matters😅
I don't even remember the last season 😩
Family Matters might've began as a spinoff from Perfect Strangers, but Family Matters is remembered while the latter is forgotten. And its all thanks to Jomarie Peyton's role. And she helped hollywood create a show that helped define a generation in the 90s.
Still one of my favorite Black TV Moms and such a genuinely kind person in real life. Queen Marie deserves her flowers!
She was being nice. She really wanted to say she got tired of the show being all about Steve and his inventions.
yeah that pretty much summed the show after fourth season.
I said the same thing. Once the show became all about Urkel the show lost it's family story line
@@derricknreginaHell they even "lost" a member of the family.
@@1talldaddy That's what I was about to say. Forget losing a story line. They lost a whole child, never to be spoken of again. Poor Judy.
@@Kindred04 yeah all of sudden Judy never existed.
Og Harriet was a straight legend ! Amazing on perfect strangers and everyone’s loving mom on family matters can’t replace someone like that
It's pure ego that they didn't embrace J White when he joined the cast. Dude had to play the clown and wear a dress but him being there brought enough mainstream viewers that carried the show 9 years. They got paid for 9 years and are still getting paid royalties for syndication. I'd be thanking White every chance I got if I was a cast member.
What are talking about cause according to J White and the cop dad was like a second parents to him it was Laura and Eddie who had issues with him being the star the younger actors who had beef with him when they was teens which they grew out off and they still talk to each other tell this day
@@crazymtfcrazyblue3142 Where in my comment did I say it was Jo or VelJohnson that had an issue? She said "some people" and I'm commenting about those "some people".
@@goodfellabeats You say "they" without specification you including everyone which means you also including Jo Marie
@@crazymtfcrazyblue3142 Why would I need to specify? Using "they" by definition is referring to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified. Jo used "some people" and didn't specify. By me saying "they" I'm referring to whomever Jo was referring to. Basic English noun and pronoun usage.
If i was an actor on that show i would thank jaleel as he kept me PAID for nearly 10 years+ them royalties
Family Matters is still a good show to watch in 2022!
Yes it is and one of the best show ever
Switching networks is a kiss of death.... Generally when they move, it's only for one season.. One show that comes to mind is Diff'rent Strokes.. Similar fate...
Well, to a certain extent. Look at Sister, Sister(ABC to the WB), The Game(CW to BET to Paramount Plus) & Brooklyn 99(Fox to NBC).
@@Toya2529 Girlfriends never switched networks technically it stayed on the same network..UPN merged with WB making the CW
@@brandonbates9259 same concept.. same end result .. cancellation.
@@Toya2529 i ain't say all that now lol but also Technically they canceled Girlfriends and a bunch of shows on other networks cause of the writers strike around 2008
Yeah when Sam was added it was a wrap
They all should be thanking their lucky stars that Urkel became a main character. That show wouldn't have lasted as long as it did without him.
I agree cause the urkel character made family matters and you always learned something from him and he was a true friend and on top of that his character blew up so big that he even had his own line of urkel dolls in the mid 90's now that was huge for him.
True. But they were definitely overdoing it by the time the series ended. And that's why she left. It was her star vehicle only for her to be upstaged a young kid who not only was a scene stealer but completely took over after the first season. Same in the case with _Good Times_ with Esther Rolle's star vehicle only to have JJ become the main star.
That’s what is wrong with black people they like foolishness and then when y’all get nothing but foolishness y’all complain that’s what you get when you support foolishness
@@JessicaL3003 🙄
@@JessicaL3003 Exactly, the show was intended to be a more relatable version of the Cosby Show and then it turned into something different. Some people love to sell their integrity for a dollar.
She hung in there to support crew members so they could pay their bills?! Total respect
You know that’s not true right?
She was beautiful, loved her gold jewelry and her as A Mother.
Adore Her🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
They should’ve just ended the show and given them a proper finale.
jaleel white was without a doubt the star of the show. however when marie jo payton left, it completely changed the show. it wasnt the same and definitely jumped the shark.
Yeah, They Had Urkel making clones of himself robots, moon crafts and shit.. Lol.. The Character just became waay to over-saturated.. This Ninjas 25yrs old still in high-waters & suspenders.. lol.. I don't blame her for leaving..
The show became too self centered around him
I loved family matters growing up...still do...it never gets old.
I understand what she's talking about, and you can see or notice that the show as a whole was running out of steam from the last two seasons.
I mean they were switching up and writing off different cast members esp ones that made the show funny . After they got rid of rachel and ritchie waldo then harriet left it was dry.
Hahaha, you ain't lying. It was embarrassing watching Urkel getting older and still acting like that.
@@nathanielraydavis708 dont get me wrong urkel was still funny as hell 🤣🤣🤣 but i didnt like how they got rid of certain supporting cast members that made family matters funny as hell. Like waldo and weasel lol then how do u get rid of baby ritchie his mom rachel and make 3j a main cast member tho 😑😑
@@datboyphil ...I feel you. Remember, at the end it was like it was just Urkel and the Dad.
@@datboyphil it may have been their choice to leave though.
Almost the same thing happened with Goodtimes. Florida was Maudes maid, then JJ became the star. Same tjings happened here. It was her show, but Urkle became the star. Im sure she had feelings over it.
Harriet is a good actress, but in no way would she have been able to carry the show, it would have gotten so boring without Urkel.
@@almcdaniel1035 he didn't quit the show he was fired after making that suggestion
PLUS THE LADY WHO TOOK JO MARIE PAYTON PLACE, PLAYED ON "MARTIN" AS GINA'S MOTHER.
This show was a staple in our household when I was a young child. Even my grandparents, who hardly watched television, would tune in to watch the show.
Didn’t know it was a spin off then Steve came along and made it what it is today I feel like If it wasn’t for him that show would have failed
It would have, but no one wants to say that.
@@nmw654 the world my never know
Nah tbh ppl hated steve urkel me and a few agree his parts wasn't needed
@@johnnhendog2819 I can’t see family matters without him tho idk why.. I still watch them today & im like i see why they added him
It wouldn’t last without him in fact it was kind of boring until they added him.
The show just wasn't the same without the original Harriett...
Family Matters changed a lot as it went along. At some point, viewers may have asked, "Does family matter?" Judy disappeared, Rachel was gone except for a couple guest appearances, and Grandma wasn't around. Waldo also disappeared. They shouldn't have recast Harriet. They should've spread those 8 shows throughout the season, having Harriet get a job where she has to travel or something. The network switch and the Harriet switch were the final straws for the show.
@Bradley Kemper yeah Waldo was gone and I didn't even realize until after the final season aired! 🤔
Yeah it wasn't the same without the original crew and I believe around the time they moved to CVS the woman who played grandmother Winslow she passed away
@@ladynikkie I thought they moved to Walgreens???
I dont know about you, but I actually liked how it ended the way it did.
The longest running subplot of the series was Urkel trying his damndest to win Laura's heart despite how much she desperately tried to avoid him (I even enjoyed the time with the 'rival' love interest Myra). Over the years, Laura really opened up to Steve and by the final season they were actually going to get married. And the series finale was pretty much Steve's final obstacle toward that eventual wedding.
Yeah gmom got married and moved, Judy dissapeared and the aunt they never explained what really happen
Remember when Jazz said about Aunt Vivian looked different and Will looked up at the camera
Urkel made it a hit show so they should thank jaleel for his contributions
There should be a 30-year episode, with carl being retired for 10 to 15 years, and Eddie and married or divorced teenager along with Steve and Laura having either teenagers or college age kids, as well as getting ready to retire from the police force. Rachel being remarried and Ritchie having middle school or early high school age kids, waldo happily married with college age kids. Steve could be working on a covid treatment and both of them being very financially successful.
Not an bad idea, that could work
I just didn't understand why they would not at least try to replace them with someone who looks just like them. They get a completely different looking person and they always replaced them with someone lighter. That's just crazy!
yup, same as aunt viv
I can tolerate the 2nd actress who played Aunt Vivian. I didn’t like the new Harriett . No offense to the actress
Surprised that you didn't mention the youngest child. They took her off the show and they thought the audience wouldn't wonder what happened to the youngest child.
I know
Right then replaced her with Lil Micheal Jackson. (Richie)
and the most jacked up part about that is later they wanted to adopt 3J
@@1talldaddy yes
@@netsartisticexpressions7163 even though it's a tv show,i still get mad at that.lol
She was perfect for her role
I forgot Gina momma played on Family matters......wheww this really shows my age!!!
From that photoshoot they're still doing judy dirty they could have included her.
yeah we can all agree that was foul as hell.
Jo-Marie also played Hakeem mom on Moesha
When the writers introduced Stephan, instead of giving Urkel the girl he so desperately wanted, i knew the show was losing it. When they made Stephan an actual cast member, i turned the show off‼️
Steve having to turn into someone else in order for Laura to like him.instead of being with Myra who accepted him for who he was.should have been the best time to turn off the show.
@@1talldaddy
This ....a million times this
@@madddoggnogood1491 and Myra was fine hell too.
@@1talldaddy
Exactly i would've taken Myra and never looked back
@@madddoggnogood1491 hell yeah at least she worshipped the ground he walked on.
Best sit com ever is Martin hands down
Martin was great but only really had 3 good seasons. By season four it really started to decline, and season five was forgettable.
Naw....
Martin is vastly overrated
The Bernie Mac show, My Wife and Kids, Black-ish are all way better
The best sitcom is Lucy
@@cleverboy867 too dry
For yall saying never to be seen again realize she was the voice for Suga Mama on Proud Family
MAN Family Matters was one of my favorite shows growing up I loved it it was awesome the story of how the show was it was amazing it's crazy how they move Networks Family Matters will be the best always
Jaleel definitely holds in alot about those 9 years spent on the show he undoubtedly was the star and that may have began drama that he or other cast mates dont talk about atleast publicly
🎯Agreed!
They were trying to be another Cosby show but it wasn't working. Family Matters wouldn't have survived the first season if Urkel wasn't written in.
Great Lady and human being always humble and relaxed warm as a great well respected auntie everytime we crossed paths.
So we not gone talk about Judy Winslow/Jaimee Foxworth? Poor girl.. everyone wants to forget about her. Sad.
Right!
Judy Winslow wasn't a interesting character..we all just feel bad because what Jaimee Foxworth ended up doing for awhile
Thank you for doing this I don't know all this really wish she stay for the last few episodes
Family Matters is my all time favorite. When Jo left I definitely wasn't feeling the new Harriet. Especially that episode when Eddie became a police and got shot or shot at I believe. Jo Marie would have handled that scene so much better. They should have said Harriet went away for work or something instead of replacing her.
It was just awkward and a waste of that woman, Judy Ann’s time. You can’t change a character of 9 years out and think the audience is gonna respond well. The showrunners put that woman in such a rough spot. Not to mention she came into an established show that was a family.
@@SLa-pb1gg You are absolutely correct! Couldn't have said it better myself.
I was waiting for you to mess up with the details and information....but this was accurate! Nice job!
Family Matters really had a place in my heart .
They don’t depict us like that anymore in front of a screen .
(strong melanated characters with moral , principles and values .)
i know that’s right !
I Still Blame Myrtle Urkle For Eddie 👦🏿👀👩🏾🏫💯
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@@nenepchildofthemosthigh4307 😄😄😁
Will dayuuuum but she was a southern bell
Lol!😂😂😂...🤔
Welp lol
I feel like the show was great. The addition of Jaleel White may have been intrusive at first, but it worked out for the best. I can understand Jo Marie leaving because she felt that nothing else could be done. Honestly, I would have loved to see Laura and Steve getting married and the show ending that way, but unfortunately, we got left with a cliffhanger and have to guess how the dust settled after that.
It was a double edge sword. The show wasn't doing too hot until Urkel, but at the same time it took away the original plot of the show
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@@TheConnonedrum I used to watch the show but can't remember how it ended. Mind giving a quick summary?
@@icarusachilles6777 the last episode I believe Carl was talking about Steve and how he was going to marry Laura.
@@TheConnonedrum And he was in space simultaneously.
JoMarie was amazing , irreplaceable for sure .
People who are on sitcoms should always spread their wings cause the biggest mistake is being to comfortable and not knowing what's next once its over.
Sometimes ain't nothing next. You have to be lucky as hell to be near a highly successful show.
Reginald and Jo have an impeccable chemistry.
I must not have seen the episodes with the new Harriette because I don't remember her.
They did the show dirty, but throwing it on another channel with no explanation and it quietly died off like most black shows with no decent ending.
Final episodes of season 9.
It pissed me off when people started calling the show "Urkel" instead of "Family Matters". That's when I knew that things had taken a turn for the worst. The whole "J.J. Evans vs Good Times" debacle had made its comeback. Whoever a student show, due to audience feedback, begins focusing on a singular character, rather than the entire cast, you know that the end is near. Losing focus on a show's original vision is detrimental to its own survival. 🧐
Another thing that they don't talk about is how Judy Winslow went upstairs at the end of the 2nd or 3rd season and never came back down. A whole child disappeared from the family and they didn't even bother to try to explain what happened.
She moved in with Chuck Cunningham
@@potsdam28 actually it was season 4. She disappeared after playing a flower girl in a wedding.
@@InIversal True but what is also very sad is that she has been left out of Family Matters reunions? I know about the whole adult films she did etc to make money after the was let go from the show. She has kept in touch with Shawn Harrison aka Waldo and Daruis McCrary aka Eddie.
@@InIversal because Richard was the favorite
I read the comment about her leaving Perfect Strangers a few years ago and it left me wondering who in the cast it was she got the nasty "bite" from. Mark Linn-Baker (Larry) actually guested on the Season 9 "Pain in Harassment" episode as an abusive boss JoMarie tells off - in probably the last episode to fully center on Harriet, and in what was a nice full circle close to the first episode which saw her get laid off and secure a new job with another amazing speech. So, I would assume it wasn't him, unless he came around later or something (I guess it could have been Bronson Pinchot but it'll probably never be known). Anyway I remember that being the last "good" episode of the show that struck just the right balance - its a shame more of the show's later episodes didn't have that.
I have that same question about PS, who was she talking about? I have read that Bronson Pinchot wasn't always nice to people and could be very difficult to work with.
She also played Hakeem’s mother on ‘Moesha’ during the same time.
Now this is some tea. I never knew this🤯. She was one of my favorite tv moms🤎👑
I agree with her. The show was weird at the end … I miss the first couple seasons. Turned to a science fiction comedy later
yeah in the first few season it actually was about the family.and then Judy disappeared and then outlandish plotlines came.
Sumthings ain't tha same and won't feel tha same without tha original that we all grew up to in our childhood days...
I definitely think Jomarie should should have stayed, if your a actor you have to be grateful to be working. Your on a hit show and your getting paid well and your getting a consistent income. There’s a lot of people who would love to be on a hit show sometimes you have to just stick things out.
Hollywood is no joke...and it does get cold at night here in LA lol...
*you're
i don't normally correct grammar, but you used 'your" wrong so many times.
you're = you are
your is for ownership (such as your book, your car, your parents)
@@lang-ed3bk really? I will take note of this, thank you.
@@leelee185 thank YOU for your open mind, i appreciate it
It was just a few more episodes left I would it would make sense if she left on the seventh season or 8th But to leave with just a few more episodes left she might as well had finished
They always replace a dark skinned actor with a light skinned actor, when black actors start not going with the program. anyone else notice that? they associate defiance with darker skin, and think lighter black people are easier to work with.
Or maybe the just hire the next best actor/actress for the show
Awesome Commentary 👑💫
This is cool but I wanna know why Judy went upstairs and never came back down.
Same
They went with a new direction judy didn’t bring anything to the show to be honest it was focused on eddie, laura, lil Richie and steve. That’s why she went porn
@@wwme985 because they wrote her out of the show
@@leecanash9538 u are so right about that one
Every time I be seen that show of family matters after me watching first episode of it
Always be notice Judy normally be staying upstairs but don't hardly never come back down then decied to join right along with the Winslow family
I guess thats why the producer manage to exit her out of a show
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@@leecanash9538 they was focused on eddie,laura,lil richie and Steve
They added 3j played by Orlando brown in one of those seasons
But he didn't stay too long
Cuz they kept on changing different cast members
I did not watch the show after it moved to CBS mostly because I was at high school football games by then.
But it’s not really a big deal that she left the show, she played Harriet for 10 years including Perfect Strangers so that for an actor to play the same character for 10 years straight is very unusual.
But also consider the amount of personal time this takes, working 10-12 hours a day, four to five days a week for 8-9 months a year for close to a decade would be exhausting.
Uh….Frasier Crane?? So, it’s not that uncommon that one person plays the same character for 10+ years.
@@robtheoutsider and that’s the exception, most sitcoms don’t get more the five or six seasons.
Let’s me give you all a little history of Judyann the second Harriet, she played Gina’s mom on Martin as Mrs. Watters.
That New Harriet Judyann Elder Just Couldn't Hold A Candle To The ORIGINAL Harriet Jo Marie Payton!!!
What irritates me is that they replace the dark skinned women with Lightskinned women
Soo petty 😒
I was just thinking this it’s very irritating!
Great piece. It was very informative u definitely need to do more videos good job.
I Wonder If Comedy Hype Has A Video On Why Jaimie Foxworth Was Written Out Of Family Matters,It's As If Her Character Judy Winslow Just Disappeared!!! The Same Thing Happened Years Earlier On 227 Too,At First Rose Holloway Was A Widowed Single Mother With A Daughter Named Tiffany,She And Brenda Were Close Friends,But Later Her Character Was Written Out Of The Show And Never Mentioned Again And Rose Was Just A Single Woman,As If She Never Had A Child.
Thanks for the education. I had no idea Family Matters was a spinoff.
She’s an alumni of my Alma Mater Albany State University 🔵🟡 my Mom met her at a Scholarship event, she says she was cool!
They didn't need a new Harriette. They could have written around her character for those last few episodes.
I wasn’t old enough to watch Family Matters as it released, but watching re-runs my mind was blown when they recasted her character. The second actress didn’t even change up the dynamic like Reid taking over for Huber, the replacement actress just didn’t seem like she wanted to be there.
@De'Viar Woodson good observation and true! 🤔
I Hope Eddie Is OK, By The Power Of Greyskull 🗡💪🏽👱🏽♀️⚡👀👦🏿💀
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Family matter went down after she left the show ms Payton was the best mother on there
I remember watching Family Matters. It wasn’t a show, I’d try to catch, but I did see it from time to time. I didn’t feel it, but it was kinda funny. Just wasn’t my cup of tea as a teenager.
Same here Sam. I saw it but I didn't make plans to watch it. Unlike the Cosby show
Family matters behind the scenes can have its own movie fr.
idk why the cast would be jealous of a character that gave yall a paycheck for 8 years. i don't believe that family matters would have lasted more than a season without the steve character.
I didn't even know she quit, and I loved her character
Even from perfect strangers
I wasn't really watching
Loved her! Always thought she was pretty. A great representation of a black feminity. The 90s had the best black women on sitcoms.
She's so cool. Loved to watch her on the show.
I think what people sometimes forget is that she played Harriet Winslow 49 years on Family Matters and three years on perfect strangers that's 12 years of playing the same exact character even on a sitcom that you enjoy as an actress I can imagine it that feels limiting and stifling
Meredith grey
Olivia Benson
Ms Jo was born in my hometown. 🥰
Let's all be honest here: The ONLY reason Family Matters made it to season 2, possible 3, was because of the character of Steve Urkel. People like to call it the Steve Urkel Show, but it truly was. Once it went to ABC, for sure, that show was destined to be taken out back and executed. On a side note, I am glad to see Richie cut that nasty, greasy jerry curl mop he called hair, but why was there no picture of Myra? It was nice that the grandmother got one, but Myra was WAY MORE intricate to the show than Richie or Rachel were.
Facts
It's SOOO TRUE about the 'Chemistry' on the set.. especially IF an actor had played the role on the series for MANY years.
I *DO* find it odd that Producers would bring in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT actress to play the same role as the previous actress, like to think we the audience 'wouldn't' notice. They did that SOOOO many times.. and in the end, we the audience KNEW the show's days were numbered.
Darius is extremely out of touch. Despite how funny Steve was on the show, had it been in todays “game”, the show wouldn’t even have lasted as long as it did. Social media would’ve created a buzz and as always people would jump on the bandwagon but that wouldn’t have been enough.
I remember reading in article right she left family matters and she said bc the shoe turned into Steve and his inventions instead of the “family mattering”
First off, We Love Harriet Winslow....but a spin off was *NOT* about to compete with the heat that Urkel was bringing back then.
People can say what they want *now* about his act was "tired, repetitive" but in the 90's....that was must see T.V. it would take a Fresh Prince or a Martin to compete with that! *FACTS*
One of the most underrated tv mom's ever. She was fiesty with Alot of personality
As much as her departure did disrupt the chemistry of the Winslow family, I can’t blame Ms. Payton for leaving when she did, ‘cause she’s totally right about the show’s declining quality at the time. That final season was mad goofy, so I can’t fault her for getting off a sinking ship before it went under.
the show became repetitive. it was always steve being clumsy, causing some chaos, then saying, "did i do that?"