Very helpful.....was ready to go with a DE filter but had reservations......I'll stick with a sand filter but use the glass media. Makes perfect sense to me.
Good Stuff John....another media is ultra fine ceramic (for sand filters). Ultra fine Ceramic at very low speeds is one of the best ways to filter a pool (at least 24" of ceramic media for the bed depth). Low speed = 10 gallons per minute per square foot. Ultra fine ceramic has been used for drinking water for years...Ultra fine ceramic is about the same price as glass media.
@@rigbyspoolservices Not the same as zeolite. Zeolite has shown to suck the calcium out of the pool water. Probably the most popular brand of Ultra fine Ceramic is from Wateropolis - CERAFLOW. Dr. James Amburgey studies this stuff and does a ton of research on water filtration...these studies are far above any NSF study or rubber stamp. Here is a link th-cam.com/video/-56m5nQVGqE/w-d-xo.html he does not get into brand names.
This is a long video, you give more information than needed according to the title If it was short and direct it is supposed to be more interesting Good video in general 👍
Wish I would have found you sooner! Your videos provide the clearest information I've found in 20 yrs of owning various types of pools. Thank you for that. 😊 My question is, I have an older hayward sand filter (S360SX -giant ball looking thing with side port valve, air release on top of the ball). Based on my model number it says I need 700 lbs of sand. First of all, that seems like a lot to fit in there based on looking at how many bags of sand that equates to - does that seem right? And if correct, and I switch to glass will it really be ok to only add 350 lbs (half of 700)?
Yes BUT, a little known fact is that you should actually backwash glass media on a lower speed than sand (if you have the ability to lower the rpm’s or flow rate of your pump)
It really depends on the size of your pool but I like using the Hayward ProSeries mainly due to the parts being so readily available. Also the Pentair Sand Dollars. I always use Glass with them and won’t switch to the other stuff. Ruby seems to be popular but I don’t like it as much as glass
For the sand filter normally when I backwash some sand is lost, if I were to switch to glass but that also mean small pieces of glass but also come out from the backwash? Would there be a safety concern if so?
As long as you are doing backwash followed by 20-30 seconds of rinse, there should not be any sand or glass returning to the pool. But, if that were the case with glass- not it’s not any sharper than sand
What about the cartridge filters by Pentair Quad DE 60---u can use De with the 4 round cartridges-and arent they made of the same material as the De filters?
Looking to change to sand filter, my question is that I have 2 huskies and hair is a problem right now, how would I combat the hair with a sand filter system?
That’s a tough one, enzymes added will help break down the soaps. Cartridge and DE will catch it but likely need to be cleaned after. Glass paired with enzymes will capture it easily and then backwash out.
@@SergiiDumyk it would help the soap be filtered- you have to be careful using it, and just a tiny bit but yes it’ll work if you have a sand or glass. Don’t run it through your DE or Cartridge filter though.
A good review. I don't believe a sand filter can filter down as well as a cartridge or DE no mater what you put in. Additionally, sand filters flow less than any other type, having far less filter surface area. Multiport valve problems are common too. I for the life of me, cannot understand why sand filters are so popular. Losing all that water and having to retreat with chemicals makes no sense. Add to that, you must flock(which includes even more wasted water through vac to waste)and/or add clarifiers when cleaning up a green or soiled pool, causing even more money spent on these. Let's save the planet by getting rid of useless sand filters. You mention how much of a hassle it is to dismantle and clean DE filters; that's nothing compared with the absolute shit of a job it is to replace sand, or decommission a sand filter. You get it by now, I hate the bloody things!
One of the things that is important to me is flow rate. Sand seems to have the poorest flow rate (60 to 70 gpm Max), where as cartridge filters can easily accommodate well over 100. Since we upgraded our pump, we have some sand discharging into the pool. It seems that the pump (flow) is overwhelming the sand filter we have currently and we may need to switch to a cartridge filter in order to cycle our pool properly. I think that your vid should take flow rate into consideration seeing it's an important aspect to consider when selecting a filter.
Flow rate is a really complex topic in itself, but I can assure you- most residential systems wont come anywhere near hitting the max flow rate of a sand filter. Nor would you want your flow rate to be much higher than 65gpm. The reason for this is VGA drain compliance (drains are installed and designed based on a specific flow rate for that system), and simply the fact that most systems are 1.5 or 2 inch pipe which isn't capable of carrying that much flow.
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Very helpful.....was ready to go with a DE filter but had reservations......I'll stick with a sand filter but use the glass media. Makes perfect sense to me.
I agree! Glass is the way to go!
Good Stuff John....another media is ultra fine ceramic (for sand filters). Ultra fine Ceramic at very low speeds is one of the best ways to filter a pool (at least 24" of ceramic media for the bed depth). Low speed = 10 gallons per minute per square foot. Ultra fine ceramic has been used for drinking water for years...Ultra fine ceramic is about the same price as glass media.
Oh that’s awesome- is this similar to zeolite? I’ll have to do some research into it! Thank you!
@@rigbyspoolservices Not the same as zeolite. Zeolite has shown to suck the calcium out of the pool water. Probably the most popular brand of Ultra fine Ceramic is from Wateropolis - CERAFLOW. Dr. James Amburgey studies this stuff and does a ton of research on water filtration...these studies are far above any NSF study or rubber stamp. Here is a link th-cam.com/video/-56m5nQVGqE/w-d-xo.html he does not get into brand names.
@@leinitta1760 Awesome, I appreciate it. I love this industry because you can never learn enough!
This is a long video, you give more information than needed according to the title
If it was short and direct it is supposed to be more interesting
Good video in general 👍
Thank you
Wish I would have found you sooner! Your videos provide the clearest information I've found in 20 yrs of owning various types of pools. Thank you for that. 😊 My question is, I have an older hayward sand filter (S360SX -giant ball looking thing with side port valve, air release on top of the ball). Based on my model number it says I need 700 lbs of sand. First of all, that seems like a lot to fit in there based on looking at how many bags of sand that equates to - does that seem right? And if correct, and I switch to glass will it really be ok to only add 350 lbs (half of 700)?
700 lbs of sand is correct, If replacing with glass you would use 80% of that (560lbs)
Thank you. Very informative
Absolutely! Thanks for checking out the video- Please let me know if there is anything you’d like to learn more about!
Do you backwash with the glass media the same way you do with sand?
Yes BUT, a little known fact is that you should actually backwash glass media on a lower speed than sand (if you have the ability to lower the rpm’s or flow rate of your pump)
Which sand filter/pump do you recommend and did you find which ceramic media to use with it?
It really depends on the size of your pool but I like using the Hayward ProSeries mainly due to the parts being so readily available. Also the Pentair Sand Dollars. I always use Glass with them and won’t switch to the other stuff. Ruby seems to be popular but I don’t like it as much as glass
We use glass media as well!
It's great isn't it?!?! What brand do you guys use?
@@rigbyspoolservices Brightline...I think that’s the name of it.
For the sand filter normally when I backwash some sand is lost, if I were to switch to glass but that also mean small pieces of glass but also come out from the backwash? Would there be a safety concern if so?
As long as you are doing backwash followed by 20-30 seconds of rinse, there should not be any sand or glass returning to the pool. But, if that were the case with glass- not it’s not any sharper than sand
What about the cartridge filters by Pentair Quad DE 60---u can use De with the 4 round cartridges-and arent they made of the same material as the De filters?
Ehhhhh they aren’t wildly popular for a reason
Looking to change to sand filter, my question is that I have 2 huskies and hair is a problem right now, how would I combat the hair with a sand filter system?
Look into a pre-filter cyclone!!! Or perhaps skimmer socks
@@rigbyspoolservices thanks!
Thanks! What would be the best filter for a soapy water from the shower?
That’s a tough one, enzymes added will help break down the soaps. Cartridge and DE will catch it but likely need to be cleaned after. Glass paired with enzymes will capture it easily and then backwash out.
@@rigbyspoolservices I heard alum helps breaking down soaps. Not sure how to use it in filter though.
@@SergiiDumyk it would help the soap be filtered- you have to be careful using it, and just a tiny bit but yes it’ll work if you have a sand or glass. Don’t run it through your DE or Cartridge filter though.
A good review. I don't believe a sand filter can filter down as well as a cartridge or DE no mater what you put in. Additionally, sand filters flow less than any other type, having far less filter surface area. Multiport valve problems are common too. I for the life of me, cannot understand why sand filters are so popular. Losing all that water and having to retreat with chemicals makes no sense. Add to that, you must flock(which includes even more wasted water through vac to waste)and/or add clarifiers when cleaning up a green or soiled pool, causing even more money spent on these. Let's save the planet by getting rid of useless sand filters. You mention how much of a hassle it is to dismantle and clean DE filters; that's nothing compared with the absolute shit of a job it is to replace sand, or decommission a sand filter. You get it by now, I hate the bloody things!
Check out Dryden’s AFM NG… talk about crazy filtration abilities!
diamatomeous
Is that your favorite?
He spent too much time on a sand filter even though a sand filter is least used
Depends where you live- I’d argue sand filters are the most popular across the United States.
One of the things that is important to me is flow rate. Sand seems to have the poorest flow rate (60 to 70 gpm Max), where as cartridge filters can easily accommodate well over 100. Since we upgraded our pump, we have some sand discharging into the pool. It seems that the pump (flow) is overwhelming the sand filter we have currently and we may need to switch to a cartridge filter in order to cycle our pool properly. I think that your vid should take flow rate into consideration seeing it's an important aspect to consider when selecting a filter.
Flow rate is a really complex topic in itself, but I can assure you- most residential systems wont come anywhere near hitting the max flow rate of a sand filter. Nor would you want your flow rate to be much higher than 65gpm. The reason for this is VGA drain compliance (drains are installed and designed based on a specific flow rate for that system), and simply the fact that most systems are 1.5 or 2 inch pipe which isn't capable of carrying that much flow.
Dood, comb your hair.
See the wheelchair???? Not leaving the house- not combing shit 😂