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A spaceship from Potato World crashes onto an alien planet. The sole survivor: Brotato, the only potato capable of handling 6 weapons at the same time. Waiting to be rescued by his mates, Brotato must survive in this hostile environment.
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We did it. We have successfully peer pressured this nice man into playing endless
We are monsters, YAY!
I mean he said right away that he'd at least check it out
The econ stuff after 20 seems designed to crowd you out of the game rather than allow you to keep scaling with the waves. Eventually getting 1 shot after a certain point would effectively end endless mode on its own for most people most of the time but in the meantime you could still buy stuff and add to the build. One of the fun things about endless should be getting fully upgraded weapons that only spawn at epic like obliterator or getting combinations of legendaries that you can't normally. It doesn't seem like the current iteration is based on that but rather based on hating you out of the run as soon as possible.
Seems like blobfish hates endless mode just as much as retromation does.
It's setup that way to prevent certain things from becoming utterly broken and Required for an endless run. Harvesting having compounded scaling would make it so Crown was Required in the Meta and would make it so that scaling the costs would be terrible. Same issue with the Piggy Bank but at 20% so it'd be a single Item to cause the same issue.
I think that the Harvesting should stop scaling instead of reversing so that it's still a useful stat but isn't broken.
On wave 40, you face 3 or 4 bosses and they deal about 200 damage when you have almost 100 armor. And if you don't have a money build, for example thief daggers, a lot of hunting trophies and maxed out mouse and gentle aliens you won't even be able to buy anything in a shop as even the basic items are over 2000 materials.
@@nehpets216 I mean with the way it works now if you don't have 5 hunting trophies then you just lose because you can't scale so in that sense its kinda the same
Try farmer in endless… it’s insanely fun to get like 3000 money each round until wave 30 or so and be so powerful, u last like 40 to 50 waves 😂
Endless in other games: Yeah, you're a God right now, enjoy murdering everything
Brotato endless: *You're not getting out alive*
Except if you're the Spiffing Brit, of course ;-).
It feels to be like the design of endless, with the less money, the large scaling, and removing harvesting, is instead of getting your build bonkers, seeing how strong your build is. It's almost freezing your power level and trying to get endless to end as fast as possible to give you like a "run strength indicator" instead of going for the bonkers infinities.
It's like a long jump. the first 19 waves are you running up to the jump line, wave 20 with the 2 legendaries is the jump itself, and then after that you're just making some minor tweaks to improve your aero dynamics mid flight to try and make sure your feet are as far forward as possible before landing.
nice analogy
I got to wave 45 with farmer, surprisingly still have like 600 harvesting left, that 10% is not that impactful cause at that point you cant really buy anything anyway, just need to stack so much vigilanty rings and every scaling item possible before inflation get out of hand and you good (I killed all 4 bosses that wave, got careless and die to a stray bullet with 300hp and 57 armors lol)
Okay, well that answers my question. Dang. NVM Reto, I rescind my request for endless farmer.
same happened to me :D had to rewatch it to see what killed me
Got to wave 40 with farmer, with 500 HP and - behold - 133 armor, got two shoted by one of the bosses in less than second. Endless is something in this game :D
yeah if anything I think harvest is more important on endless than the normal mode, even if harvest goes down by each wave you are still getting way more out of it than on normal mode where it ends at 20
So endless means you playing touhou hell diff then
I agree with your analysis - that endless is about advancing your build, and the lack of purchasing power feels bad.
At the same time, it does mean that the mode is not endless, as you will die for sure.
I'd like to see if you could make it past wave 30! One more video with endless!
I didn't realize how much the extra materials from kills with Jack carried my run. I made it to wave 38 with lasers and a sniper while stacking extra enemies (ended at 10% less).
Was still getting 1000 mats a wave, but that was only enough to buy one to two white items or a single blue item.
You gotta try loud on endless. Hit lvl 62 D5 with loud, thief daggers, paddings, hunting trophies, transition into a health scaling weapon after wave 25/30
What I personally loved about this endless version, is that it's a challenge to see how far up you can go; and figuring out the best way to beat your own "highest point". Endless in otehr games just let you get broken and mindlessly coast your way to round 100, making everything boring. I suggest you trying it one more time, thinking about a build that would get you the highest, then leaving this mode alone forever.
I got to wave 34 in this endless mode with the Jack with the jousting lance and the number of enemies at that point was insane.
Hunting Trophy looking like a must have for endless.
I was also wondering if that works. full crit hunting trophy with more enemies seems to be perfect. Add high dodge and tardigrade and you have the dream
Harvesting is still really good with endless. I ran farmer and got to wave 39. Sure, you lose 10% per wave, but I had so much that I was still getting 700 at the end. It gets pretty absurd at the end - I had 400ish health and 30 armour, and still got 2 shot at the end. Got mixed feelings about endless, but glad they added some form of it to the game
The inflation thing maybe a balancing act for the characters that scales with econ, but it disproportionately affecting other characters.
Idk if you've tried revolver on soldier or streamer off video yet, but they skip their reload when you move. either it's a bug or an unique interaction with variable attack speed that changes how you play the characters.
would be cool if endless had themed waves like:
wave 21 double elite, wave 22 super horde, wave 23 tripple rhino with exclusively bait enemies etc., repeating after a certain point with upped numbers (5 rhinos?!).
and i agree rather than killing the player with a gutted economy, the enemies should scale in dmg/health/speed. that would allow some busted economy builds to go truly endless, but so be it :)
This weapon seems strong again.
I wonder if this hero should try for two 6 weapon set bonuses.
As far as I can tell, after wave 20, mobs just start dropping less and less materials, and each wave past 20, they drop less and less. Eventually, you're either gonna get overpowered and one-shot, or you just won't get any money at all.
Surprised to have actually gotten this early, love the content and looking forward to seeing more
its amazing how good you are at this game i have a lot of trouble with it.
This endless mode reminds me a lot of nuclear throne's looping, in NT you have a hard cap on how much you can progress, because past a certain point you can't get mutations, and the only progression you can get is through new, better weapons which isn't as good of a progression as you really think it would be. You're also really not making it past like one or two loops if you are not a complete god gamer, and or got a bad or even just mediocre run.
Yeah but NT is at least more skill capped
9:05 A MILLION TO ONE CHAT! A MILLION TO ONE!
Personally, flatline harvesting growth to 0% past wave 20, keep material gain the same prior to wave 20, keep item prices the same as it is currently where they start costing 5000. Increase scaling of growth of enemies health and damage. At the moment for economy crit builds are basically the only method with hunters trophy to really keep getting items
My first endless try I made it to wave 37 using the loud with ethereal items, every hit I was doing was 2k+. The issue was that the item prices kept going up and up, but at most I was getting 400-500 per wave. Piggy bank with a large surplus of cash might've solved this but who knows. In the end I was 3-shot without enough time to heal back up. It was really fun, but the economy just gets brutal and the enemy's damage just keeps going up and up and up.
You did an excellent job, especially for going in blind.
something i wasnt expecting to hear today: "buffed up lip lad"
Most endless player play demon with potato gun. Because of the help bonus and padding they deal more damage with more health. They also use crit and hunting trophy.
You need to scale out of control early to get far in endless which means...lots of paddings, early piggy bank, crit+trophies for the income, potato guns for the health scaling, etc.
Bait guys spawn in final wave, even in regular runs, at least I think. You just kill the bosses so fast you never seen them
There are actually 2 types of endless you can change it in the options
Which is the other kind?
Okay, I know you hate endless, but I do want to see an endless farmer now. If you managed to scale harvesting quickly enough in the early game, the class scaling might allow you to outrun a couple hundred harvesting down per wave. Might be a way to get past the not being able to buy things problem. As a condition, I'd say you're allowed to self-destruct as soon as you get bored.
The class scaling doesn’t allow you to outrun the decrease unfortunately. You continue to get harvesting from food, but will decrease by a flat 10% at the end of each wave (not 10%, and then you gain 3% because of farmer). It’s still really good to run farmer in endless imo - I had 700 harvesting at wave 39, and that definitely helped me scale to combat the absurdity of those higher waves
Having not tried it, based on this run alone, it seems like Luck would do well.
Hey Retro, I have been playing a lot of Endless mode, you have to stockpile a ton of harvesting and it gets taken away starting at wave 21, in a percentage based way, its the only way to keep buying later my best one was any that buffed harvesting and i hade 3k harvesting at wave 20 then by wave 29 i had only had 200, and thats with crown and still giving myself harvesting
I made it to lvl 40 with Farmer which kept me at around 1000 harvesting each round, thus allowing me to continue scaling, along with a lucky Anvil for a ton of extra armor so I didn't get one-shot.
Hey Reto! I don't know if you noticed (and I might be wrong about what a "lip-boy" is), but I think there is a buffed up lip boy at 35:04. He isn't on screen for long though. Great vid as always!
as someone who allways takes alot of harvesting, i can confirm that it gets destroyed after wave 20, i got like 600 on wave 20 and less than 200 on wave 30 lol
Don't worry. I've made it to wave 110. Enemies were doing thousands of damage and weapons were costing over 100k materials.
Play Farmer with pruners and go for attack speed and advanced toolkit for the structure CD reduction. The gardens cap out at 1 fruit every 1.5 seconds.
My best endless run was 37. I used the guy who eats food to gain explosion damage and got exploding weapons.
IF and only IF endless gets nerfed please play again. Blessed be that your feet already walked this way. Thank you Reto!
Since you made the improved tools landmine run and you made a multitasker run, what if you combine the two and see how good multitasker mines are now?
Edit: After reaching the end of the video and hearing retromation’s rant on the way endless mode feels, i feel like a suggestion would be to have endless mode be the way it is currently with the exponential scaling, maybe even scaling a bit more than now, but keep the money that enemies normally drop and reducing the harvesting or pausing it entirely instead of making it scale in reverse, and when you beat a normal game without endless mode, it gives you the option of continuing in a “challenge mode”, which is what endless mode is now
I feel like endless is kinda unbalanced right now, I mean, scale the health and damage of the enemies, fine and maybe have some scaling on the economy but they went a little ridiculous with the inflation of item prices imo. Not just that but it seems like the money GAINED is massively nerfed too. One of those things needs to be toned down a lot for endless to be in a good spot imo. Like you said, buying 5 items in 10 waves (or even less later I'd imagine) just doesn't feel good.
endless in most games seem to end up as, "Oh that run was neat. I'm never pressing that button again".
I feel like it'd be interesting to see how endless mode handles an early piggybank savings run or better still, the saver character when they're able to get a large stockpile of money saved up early on to allow them to scale harder later on. I can only imagine the waves will eventually scale hard enough to outweigh piggybank/saver runs anyway but it'd be interesting to see just how quickly it would happen.
piggybank stops working on wave 20
What could be the most optimal character and weapon to use for endless?
Curious to see how far you can go in endless
Great video, as always 😊
i think playing a character with crit tag for hunting trophies to get money
So far the furthest I've gotten is wave 42 with farmer using the pruners. Since it will keep you way over 1k harvesting for a very long while. I did get lucky with Organ/Anvil/(the life steal/hp regen/health thingy).
demon with potato throwers is the endless meta probably
I got to wave 49 with streamer. Yes he cant move anymore at some time but he gets tons of money.
On the topic of new players backseating you:
That is what convinced me to get Atomicrops! I was upset you skipped SO many berries in the dessert. I got the game to prove it before commenting, and it turns out all those berries you skipped were cactuses.
I've pushed to 39 with Loud and Hunting Trophy. The Harvesting gets cut down aggressively so you have to get lucky with things like Hunting Trophy, Grind's Leaf, Anvil, and Vigilante Rings.
I'm glad you are calling out that endless is punishing... for some reason.
I play endless "for fun", but it feels like it was designed the way it is out of spite. Hopefully a modder steps up to adjust this.
In endless mode, you are the strong enemy reto.
More Endless Good Run😈
I like it... the kinda random feeling scaling is weird, but if you told me they made Danger5 + that goes to wave 30 I would be interested.
I played this mode on jack. Took around +50% more enemies in items. 500ish harvesting. Was getting $1500ish a wave and still died on wave 30’lol
the time has come
Got to wave 40-45 in an good run. With a lot of harvesting, 100crit and 3 huntingtrophies but even with that much money the items get extremely expensive 😢
Hunting trophy would've helped so much toward the end. Sad it didn't show up
Would you be interested in trying the Bull in endless? No pressure, but it would be funny to see if you could out scale the enemy damage. =)
I think endless is fine as it is, but what I don't like is the endless toggle button. In my opinion it would be so much nicer to just have a "continue in endless" button after you win normal mode, so I can decide if I had enough of the run or I want to go a few more waves to see if I made an especially busted build or for the times where I find a really fun item on wave 19 and I just want to play with it a bit more. But I don't know how you would implement that considering the game ends when you kill the bosses.
I went to wave 40 + with the demon and ghost scepter, I could still buy a lot but ended up dying to the bosses having too many hp's
It seems like it's more like, how good is this build, can it get to wave 30 or wave 23, without really giving you the tools to improve upon the run. I like it, as a casual observer who's watched 100 runs, but never played one.
Thief dagger seems like it would be good for this since econ goes poo in the late game, but also melee seems risky risky
As far as I can tell people weren’t wrong saying don’t go harvesting, he’s losing like 2 a turn but something like crown that’s scaling might be good enough to counteract that
Crown does not count after wave 20. Harvesting simply switches from any % value increase You had up to round 20 to flat -10% afterwards. You can't "outprocent" it.
Your band is Pumpkin on Prospect? Mine is The Buffed Up Lip Lads.
If you ever do endless again maybe try crit + hunting trophy to see if that helps the econ problem
I've had runs with Anvil, Leaf, max dodge... 30's my limit. Even with 75% resistance you just die.
Ngl, endless in Brotato feels like seeing Vegeta fight Goku, you basically think you can hold your own and then Goku basically goes Ultra Instinct and destroys you easily.
Never clicked so fast
You make an assumption that is kinda not correct: The group of people who ask for endless are not the majority, but know exactly what they are going for, to see how much they can push a build and how far it can really go. Most people are pretty happy just playing the game and maybe once in a while doing an endless run cause you get curious, and that is it. The group who actually goes out of their way to ASK are like mad scientists looking to see how far their creation can go.
Woohoo!!
Personally, I don’t want the endless toggle before the start of the run. I want the option to continue after wave 20 especially when I have a broken build.
Also yeah. Endless is old D5. Economy really gets wack. So it’s more of a challenge run where auto scaling is important and hunting trophy and other support items are almost essential.
would a luck build on Jack be good? less enemies to hit with chance attacks.
I think especially for endless you definetly focus on harvesting and piggy bank. Just so you are able to buy stuff
I think this is the case. Sure, harvesting starts disappearing and piggy bank doesn't work after wave 20, but to get far in endless you need to take early risks, save up with piggy bank and let your enormous wealth carry you.
I didn’t realize endless mode doesn’t count as a victory for the character/achievement I had to redo a run to get it 😢
got to wave 37 so far
im kinda happy its really hard. imagine if it was easy. You'd be playing 2 hour runs.
Also endless from what I am seeing will make you pay for not thinking ahead. You have certain habits where you sorta ignore things or do other things like merging weapons when saving your money to get items that will keep you going (with damage or something else) is more important. I think endless actually is a good addition to the game, but that money does need to be tweaked up and not down and get a cap on how high the prices can go.
But to point out something else: Your kinda sloppy with your purchases, you didnt notice how the money was getting less and less till wave 25 or 26, but it started pretty much on 21. So you kept buying like a drunken sailor till you realized "WAIT!!! I dont have enough money!!!" But doing endless runs is a different mindset though and this was your first run.
I did wave 47 with ethereal scaling and 1350% dmg 1700% AS and 2 leaf early lol
And weapons was like 5k each at wave 47
Endless with streamer😶😶😶
Legit thinking harvesting is the way to go with that economy burnout. Maybe farmer or streamer could make the magic happen an I'd be really interested in seeing a 2 hour long video of steamer sitting there, gaining 500k materials a second, supplied it doesn't overflow from values or some nonsense first.
So on paper farmer could go the furthest ?
Can you do this same endless run but use mini gun
Personally, I view items that do 1 damage per second or whatever as a slightly stronger massive hp regen down, rather than anything else. If my HP regen is over 1/s and i don't NEED it for the sustain....
This would have been by far your most interesting way for new content (long term strategy) that was ruined by the econ crap. You would just need a save state/game to keep video length controlled. Mod it please!
Boooom✨
u should try demon endless
How about Demon endless? That would be a sight
Finally
I feel like if they're gonna nerf your material gain that hard on top of steadily eating away at your harvesting, they really should let you at least have your legendary items for elite and boss kills.
Doesn't seem super fun in its current form imho.
Hmm seems endless need’s harvesting to be high
finally
Imagine transitioning income with piggy bank from wave 18 or so...
How do you think Jack would do on Endless mode?
Does Endless intentionally tank the economy?
The enemies are scaling exponentially so it’s Probs done on purpose
I actually feel like most of the item limits are pretty silly given the game's restraints. Sure, if you found 20 coupons it'll break the game for a run, but that would almost never happen anyway.
I do wanna get stupidly broken 😞 or at least get the option to...
Thanks, Satan 😂
I hate how blobfish puts so many restrictions on endless, so you can't get op. The shop already scales interest so fast, idk why Gamer is the only character who can make consistent money in endless.
Is it just me or has every episode after the newest patch been 3 elites?
Still seems pretty double without harvesting. Just abusing hunting trophies and retros hate item (Piggy bank) could do the trick.
Saver could be pretty busted in endless. But poor ghost. Could finally offset the armor penalty with enough waves but still remains a one hit victim due to enemy scaling.
Well so many new things one could do with more waves, hope you show more of it 😀
Piggy bank stops working at wave 20.
Don’t try endless with farmer… it will last more than 45 waves lol
I like that the endless mode in brotato scales and it scales strong, atleast from my experience. Wave 30 was my max so far
Entering wave 21 with 1000+ harvesting is worth it, otherwise it’s not gonna make a huge difference. Overall, it’s a pretty bad take on endless, imho, feels absolutely unenjoyable. This endless feels like pre-patched Brotato, where we had insane inflation, which also was anti-fun.