makes me think of a line from another show "Do not presume to know me. Until you've held your dying child in your arms. Until you've told him everything will be okay. So that the last words he ever hears are a lie. You know nothing."
they hide his prison in the same place where his daughter died thats so cruel! At first I saw him as a villain but now I see him as just a grieving father!
I can understand his grief. he has every right to be angry at both the dragon king and the star touch elves. but to involve innocent civilians and children in his revenge, making wars and conflicts over the span of centuries is inexcusable.
@@KingBrooks87 When someone says "you haven't looked in a mirror lately" it means that they're guilty of the same thing. The council is convinced that Leola, Aaravos's daughter,is evil because she taught humans Primal magic and Aaravos didn't stop her. And yet we,the audience,knows that what the council is doing is evil: killing an innocent child
Indeed, if the council hadn’t murdered his daughter then Aaravos wouldn’t have become a vengeful villain. The council should have thought that human can do magic with some proper training instead of letting their arrogance blind them.
Although I can’t ever condone aravos’ actions I can at least understand why he did what he did. As for the council I blame them entirely for what happened next on top of murdering an innocent child. They kept spouting nonsense about balance when in reality they most likely felt threatened by the fact that humans were now capable of doing magic and were only interested in staying in power and took out their frustrations on Leola. I remember a quote saying that “justice is merely a construct created by the current power base” the current power base being the council. In short it’s all the council’s fault this legacy of chaos even exists.
Cosmic order my ass. They just wanted to remain the most powerful beings in the universe. That sweet little girl probably just showed her friend small things, like how to lift small rocks. She didn’t deserve to die like that, scared and crying for her father. And to make it worse they basically put his prison in his daughters grave. How messed up is that?
I have to agree. The fact that they killed a scared and clueless child for trying to help people (who are suffering, at that) and have no decency to even spare her in the place of someone willing is extremely telling. I want them to explore this in season 7. Because the way they are portrayed here sets them up as these power-hungry monsters who deceive people into thinking they are good. There is literally no reason for them to have killed Leola for that. Yes, Aaravos is messed up (in the way that he chose to spite them), but so are they. He needs to go down, but so do they. It makes so much sense for the type of character they want Aaravos to be (I think, judging by the way he was written this episode). Not a grey character, but a villain who has a point. If the council gets no consequences for killing Leola and being the technical catalyst for this spiral of chaos, I'm gonna be deeply unsatisfied. Edit: Yes, I know I already said this, but I felt that it was just better to write a new, improved reply.
@@guyleclerc7324 he’s done monstrous things but because they made him that way, monsters aren’t born they’re made, so your right he is a monster but he is also a grieving father, if someone killed your only child right in front of you I think anyone would become monstrous to get revenge
The whole point is that Aaravos is bringing chaos to the order that killed his daughter for a simple act of kindness. She was a kind and giving soul, being punished for trying to gift magic to others. Look at what happened to the Primal stones given to humanity; the elves have them. And Sol Regem started this whole issue. So it makes sense Aaravos hates the favored species his brethren chose to empower. He gave dark magic to humans in order to help them fight back and hurt Xadia.
He became a monster. The reveal is only that he didn't start out as a monster. He's become just as bad as those who took his daughter from him. How many daughters have died during the wars he's instigated? How many parents have wept since then?
Isn't it obvious?! Logically what Leola did was a good thing by helping humans, but nooo! Those sparkly dunderheads killed her in the name of the so called cosmic order or whatever it's called, while what she did was literally balancing power between them. So long story short; Aaravos is spreading mayhem over the world because his kind killed his daughter because she gave magic to humans out of the goodness of her heart while being mistaken to disrupted the balance, and if they left her alone Aaravos wouldn't be blinded by revenge and the world would have been in pease with humans being able to fend for themselves, I.e. All this chaos is the so called balance guardians fault in the first place, they're the blame not Aaravos
@@kaicraft275 what they did was wrong, I agree. and Aaravos has my condolences, of course. but the fact remains, he let his hatred and thirst for revenge blind him to the point where he doesn't see the difference between right and wrong, and now he will gladly let innocent people who did him no wrong suffer as well.
@@michaelfriedman1666 Regardless of whether Aaravos' actions were right or wrong, justified or not, they are still consequences of the council's action. So those innocent people paid for the council's sins.
@@cunningsmile4166Spot on and to me when I watch those she did a right choice balanced it out think about it if the elves have the only power of magic while human not it's going to be chaos human will be enslaved by the elves then rebellion on the humanity hatred toward the elves it's a endless cycle of chaos so what she did it's a right choice but the council said no it's wrong that not balance if I was there I will say to them "ah defined balance at your own term since what Leola did is a right decision to balance between human and elves magic what happened if you have all the power what your term of call balance huh"
After revealing Aravo’s backstory I loved «The Dragon Prince» much more…I really loved how this story turned and showed that there were no villains, everyone were just broken people who suffered so much. And they chose the dark path on purpose. The creators are really talented people. Can’t wait to see season 7.
It is also a great example of how destructive the cycle of vengeance is. We see time and time again that everybody keeps suffering each time somebody had their vengeance. Each time creating somebody else who seeks revenge and continuing the destructive spiral.
If they’re trying to get us to root for him now, I have to admit, it’s working. The line may be thin but what they did was like running across that line with wild abandon. They killed a child for being a child, there is no amount of logic, or reason to justify what they have done. Aaravos’ mystery; what form will his vengeance take? The destruction of a cold indifferent world or the toppling of a heartless establishment.
When a hero's heart is broken the monster awakens, when a kind man hardens and takes up arms the whole world has reason to fear... They touched your daughter and now there will be no mercy, for anyone!
There are always 2 sides to every story as long as we know this, we can less hate our enemies Aarovos, maybe a great evil, but now we know why he's a threat
Much like Lucifer. See the Fox/Netflix version and thr Hazbin Hotel version. They much like Aaravos are painted thr bad guys due to the big shots up in the heavens saying they're right and can't be at fault. And look what each of them did after all their time in their own torment.
@cunningsmile4166 all we know is lucifer was a perfect angle until he let pride consume him and became Satan Aarovos lost hus child and was given unfair punishment by grieving for eternity
Anyone remember Killmonger and how his father was killed by his uncle, T’Challa’s father? I feel like someone ought to give the council a big *“All of you were wrong!”* speech like the Black Panther to his father in the afterlife?
The Valar, especially Varda (Vala of the Stars), would be utterly disgusted by the Startouch Elves’ decision. Never in the name of Ilúvatar would they allow such judgement.
@@Rei.Fantasma.exactly. I feel like especially Varda, would be even more pissed off, since she’s the Vala of the Stars. They’d sympathise Aaravos for this
I don't think ANY Eldar in Tolkienverse would stand for this. Even the Kinslayings between Elves were mainly warrior-on-warrior violence for complex and selfish but sympathetic reasons. You'd see the entire race going down the Feanor route if their leaders, the Maiar or the Valar ever did anything like this. Hell, I think even the *Aeldari from Warhammer 40k* would be in uproar. A young Eldar befriending and teaching Psyker techniques to a Mon'keigh child would be taboo and cause for uproar and lectures, but _execution??_ Unthinkable. I don't think even the Drukhari would do something like that. Well, they might kill each other's children or worse in their civil wars in Comorragh (never mind what they do to human and Tau, young or old), but for such a petty reason as this? Yeah, even Vect would find that overkill. Think about that for a moment. Just think on how screwed up your judgement has to be that *_ASDRUBAEL VECT_* would be questioning it.
Holy! Wait a minute is it just me or does thr colors of Aaravos's skin. Eyes, horns, hair and cloths look faded when he Is sobbing at the sea of the cast out. Before Leola died his colors were much more vibrant like shades of blue and purple and all that and now they're just the faded colors of what the colors used to be. Even the star on his chest is not only black now from previously being white the kind of a upside down U shape is now more like a actual u-shape it's completely opposite to how it used to be. Please tell me im not the only one who noticed this
Some Elves, like certain gemstones, can fade in color from intense stress. They pale and dull, hair going from bright white/silver to ash, and their vibrant blue skin to pewter grey. This can happen from trauma or drastic change in the environment and living conditions. Bro claims to have cried for a century, filling a crater with his tears. This alludes to him not eating, drinking, sleeping, or resting properly - if at all. Long-term depression can take physical tolls on a person's health, especially if you're outside, starving, exhausted, exposed to the elements, and constantly racked with grief. As for his chrest, many are tied to their connection to light or their primal source. As their hope dies out, or their connection weakens, the light dims and even goes out. Notice his daughter's skin is very rich in color, her chrest is very bright, and her hair is not only vibrant, but *_two toned_*
"Demons run when a good man goes to war. Night will fall and drown the sun when a good man goes to war Friendship dies and true love lies Night will fall and dark will rise when a good man goes to war Demons run but count the cost The battle is won, but the child is lost"-Steven Moffat
I heard there are four theories of justice: retribution, repayment, prevention, and intimidation. Retribution is primarily concerned that all parties suffer equally. Ex: You run over someone's dog, now your dog must be put down. Repayment is primarily concerned that damages are repaired. Ex: You run over someone's dog, you pay for their new dog. Prevention is primarily concerned that measures are taken to reduce opportunities to commit future damages. Ex: You run over someone's dog, your driving privileges are taken away. Intimidation is primarily concerned with making the choice of doing damages as unappealing as possible. Ex: You run over someone's dog, you get 50 lashes. Of all the theories, I can't fathom how punishing that child achieves any their ends.
For astral beings of immense power, they have little grasp of corporeal cause and effect, they kill the child of an immensely powerful defafto immortal being and don't reason out that he will spend every waking second of his not inconsiderable amount of time and all the power, magical, political and psychological at his disposal to burn down the order that demanded her death and settle the score with every individual involved... Still this is what happens when individuals become to removed from the day to day experince, they become obsessed with the letter of the rules and dont see the reasons for that rules implementation or how to apply them with discretion, everything just becomes numbers, a point to be ticked....
You may understand his reason to destroy the natural order and laws of the universe, but the reason does not jusify the crime. I love Aaravos as a character, and this does not change it That being said: he has since then given the humans access to dark magic, which kills living creatures to grant power (most likely in honor of his daughter), killed the queen of the sunfire elves which was in charge of peace talks to stop elven civil war, killed or imprisoned Luna Tenebris (queen of the dragons), influenced Viren to assassinate various human leaders, gave the power to remove rational thinking with the "hearts of cinder" spell, nearly drained the soul of Azymondious, and left the Sunfire Empire faction die cruelly, flying Sol Regim to then burn Katalis down, after then poisoning said archdragon Great reason for revenge, still evil
Yeah but we don’t know what his ultimate goal is tbh… what if trying to kill the other 4 startouch elves that make up the council? We don’t know anything
@@ShannaeJ They killed his daughter. A kid. He wept for 100 years. The dragons colluded with the council. They imprisoned him at the place where his daughter died. YES HIS ACTIONS ARE JUSTIFIED,
Bro........here I am sitting in my family's dining room.......on the last day of summer break......and crying while reassuring a fictional female stardust elf child and feeling sorrow for Aaravos the infamous stardust elf who killed many people before the TRAGEDY that was his mystery for 5 seasons was just recently unwrapped through a screen and my headphones. I'm REALLY going through it.
I wonder what he did to the Merciful One now… I wonder if this plan is to bring enough chaos as to force the other stars to manifest their Startouched Elf forms?
Magic, excitement, comedy, drama, action, fantasy, thrills, and adventures. Poor little Leola, Aaravos' daughter and only child. What kind of Startouch elves would kill one of their own who had done nothing wrong and committed no crime? She was a sweet and kind girl, which her daddy was so proud of until she was taken from him. For 100 years, he wept for the death of his beautiful daughter. It's no wonder Aaravos started to cause to pain, death and suffering to innocent people over the loss of his child. (Sigh) How could the other Startouch elves in the council have been so harsh and blind? "We are all of us stardust, held together by love for an instant," said the merciful one 🐲🐉🧝🧝♂🧝♀🧚🧚♂🧚♀⭐🌟🌠✴🪄
Let me tell you something people I like that in real life. They always will be like that they will always tell judging someone who is different they don't give a s*** about people. All they care about is themselves cuz I send up multiple times and I'm just done with people like that The star torture elves I think that's what they're called. Anyway theycan go to f****** hell
So he was imprisoned in a replica of the home he shared with his daughter at the bottom of a lake formed by her dead body crashing into the land, filled with his tears for her… I wonder if the ones who imprisoned him knew
What I like about this show is that you can see and understand why villains became evil and do what they did... Many shows only show villains as typical bad guys without any story or motives. Here you can understand why they chose this path and became evil.
While a villain with a tragic backstory is more interesting, its a bit concerning to me that so many people don't want to acknowledge the existence of psychopats. Some people are just unable to feel emphathy and they dont need a reason.
This literally made me cry I thought he was really bad but now I truly see him that he is not evil but those ....... ......! Are! Why would they do that to a child! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
There are two possibilities either he told the full truth and since we know Aravos is the one who created dark magic it means that the outcome the council was trying to avoid was caused by their actions. The other possibility is that this story has some form of lie to it so he can manipulate Claudia.
I know this may sound crazy but…I don’t believe Aaravos, I can get that this IS his reason but given his manipulative nature I wouldn’t be surprised if this was all a tall tale.
While this doesn't excuse Aaravos' actions, it does make them more understandable. After going through something like this, I can understand why he would just want to watch the whole world burn.
There are way too many comments saying that they excuse his actions because of this…bruh if he only killed the council then yes, but he is choosing to hurt innocent people for Leola, someone who believed in peace and love. He’s a villain.
Hot take, but it wouldn’t shock me if this entire story was complete bs. I don’t think that’s the direction they’re gonna take it otherwise they wouldn’t have dedicated the entire finale to it. I just wouldn’t be surprised if Aaravos told this whole story just to manipulate Claudia into setting him free.
@@joshp.1682 I don’t think he’s lying mainly because almost every villain in this show is driven by loss and a desire to avenge that loss. Why should Aaravos be any different? This backstory is perfectly in line with the show’s themes.
They were hyping up this section of story way too much for it to have not been a thing (the four part falling star posters, opening the first episode on the 100 Years scene with no context, the bones at the bottom of the Sea) Then there's the way it was presented to *us* from a Doylist perspective. From a Watsonian perspective, I think Claudia is actually getting LESS detail.
I think that if Aaravos limited himself to just Sol Regem and to the Startouched Elves, aka, the people who painfully murdered his terrified and pleading daughter in front of him, we would all have hard time condemning his actions.
Look I know this is sad and all but Aaravos is NOT a good guy why is everyone treating him like an innocent man? He did so many evil things It's not about love anymore he is evil
So for me: I’m sorry for the whole ordeal and the “mercy” he was given. However that doesn’t excuse anything he did. People like to mix up excuse with reason.
If Aarovos was a woman they'll say she's overreacting and just an emotional woman. But since Aarovos is a man, his rage and grief can be justified as something normal. 😂
Aizen's motivation is basically realizing that Soul Society and the Spirit King are worthless and that new order must be made. He just lacks the obvious "lost loved one" motivation.
The dragon Prince, The Mystery of Aaravos ... Aaravos has been the main villain of the world for over a Millenia. and before he became one, he was a loving father ... A Startouch Elf, who can live forever by re-incarnating ... But when his Startouch Elf Daughter taught Humans how to do Dark Magic, which costs the life of others to do the magic of ... The Startouch Council permanently killed her and sent her along the Aether ... She would never return, and he had the choice to go die with her in that way ... But he chose not to, cause he wanted to do more ... Aarovos felt regret for centuries, even literally crying a lake in the World filling it up entirely with his tears ... Because of this pain, he found a new purpose ... And that was to cause chaos and even potentially destroy the World by manipulating the higher powers governing the World. And he will never stop until it is all over.
Season 7, please have one of the human characters point out to the council that the spiral of chaos they so feared was set into motion by their own hands
@@aashnaabcYou misunderstand the order of events. His daughter _tried_ to teach humans normal "good" magic, and did not succeed before she was executed for it. In retaliation, Aaravos taught humans _dark_ magic instead, which corrupts them and kills magical beings, and began screwing everyone over with his schemes. This is what the dragons imprisoned him for. It's a little strange the other startouched elves didn't execute him for the far worse crimes he committed intentionally; I think the implication is probably meant to be that he got to all of them first.
@@backgroundnpc9631 Ohh ok, but I thought he got imprisoned right after his daughter died. I am assuming through what you said, that would mean that after his daughter's death, he retaliated and that then caused him to be imprisoned
@@aashnaabc Correct. Ironically, the reason his daughter was executed was because there was a prophecy that teaching humans magic would throw the world into chaos--a prophecy that was fulfilled because of the dark magic Aaravos taught them in revenge for said execution.
on leola's wiki site it's said her debut was in season 5 episode 9, we know her remains are at the bottom of the sea of the castout, but so far i can't remember anything from seeing something hinting her existence and i can't remember something about her being said, so why is s5e9 displayed as her debut?
I've watched this series with my partner our whole relationship, and since season 2 I've said that elves are elitists pricks that even rub it in the humans' faces that they cant perform magic... and apparently I've been agreeing with the supremacist since before I even knew he existed... and I still agree with him
Viren was never a true supremacist. His actions come from a place of tried-and-true history of Elves lording over their superiority over humans and engaging in disproportionate violence whenever slighted. Avizandum killed three queens over a Golem, and then had the gal to preach about "cherishing life" to her widowed husband. The fact he is annoyed with but still tolerates Terry and Claudia's relationship shows that. He's sincerely at a loss on how to feel towards Terry (AKA probably the first friendly and polite Elf he ever met in his whole life) and is harsh when telling him to get a grip after he kills someone to save Claudia, but he doesn't hate him on principle like a supremacist would.
I don’t think he is lying Because of the simple truth is that is motivation enough to understand why he is doing what he is doing If it’s just something he made up then he is sadistic Truth is it’s more complexing to think he is on the path he is in because of the injustice this “cosmic order” has
This was so unbelievably shitty of the council to do... kill a scared child for wanting to help people (and people who are suffering, at that). Now I understand and don't blame Aaravos for not wanting his daughter's undeserved death to go unpunished, even though I can never condone the way he went about it. I think it would make a lot of sense and be interesting if the council were also villains in a way. And while Aaravos is still a villain, he would be trying to take down another villain. Like there's just so much I feel there is that the story is not telling us about this council and their "cosmic order". Killing Leola would not reverse the fact that humans now know some magic, so why did they do it? Whatever it is, it is definitely something that would tell us that these guys are, in reality, evil. Yes, Aaravos is messed up and needs to go down, but so do they, is my point. I think that's the right direction for his character.
It’s her life she controls it. The star order sorry for your loss. Why not revive her tell him and Claudia did it just The ingredients you need to find and then get her soul understand what you did was because of that their jerks the person that did that to his daughter😢😭
Im not a parent so im not sure if this is the right thing to say but....when given the choice to watch your child die or die with them (especially for bs reasons) ,isnt normal to pick the latter?
I dunno man. He left his daughter to die alone and scared vs join her in the stars. And then he goes on to sow discord in humanity, going against everything his daughter would want? Some father.
@@hajerahkhanom9301 Maybe Startouch elves CAN be permanently killed, but only be other Startouch elves. Only a god can kill a god, and the ST elves are the closest thing this show has to gods
makes me think of a line from another show
"Do not presume to know me. Until you've held your dying child in your arms. Until you've told him everything will be okay. So that the last words he ever hears are a lie. You know nothing."
From what show?
@@pawelsitkiewicz8341
Arrow
The Fallen
@@cristinajohnson232 thanks
@@MarkGuerrero-cz9bh thanks
Arrow
Me before this season: Aaravos wants to watch the world burn!😰
Me after this season: I'll bring the oil!🔥
And I the matches!
And the pitchforks!
I'ma get the gasoline 😢
I'll get the lighter 😔
Hmm, guess I don't really need this -tosses flamethrower-
they hide his prison in the same place where his daughter died thats so cruel! At first I saw him as a villain but now I see him as just a grieving father!
They didn’t hide his prison. That was the dragons.
@@user-rj5hz2ct6x I know but still thats cruel!
I can understand his grief. he has every right to be angry at both the dragon king and the star touch elves. but to involve innocent civilians and children in his revenge, making wars and conflicts over the span of centuries is inexcusable.
@@michaelfriedman1666 Good point!
@@michaelfriedman1666 Also Is Aravos equivilent to a God?
They call Aaravos a bad guy but clearly that council hasn't looked in a mirror lately
Yeah:(
ok imma need some context
@@KingBrooks87 When someone says "you haven't looked in a mirror lately" it means that they're guilty of the same thing.
The council is convinced that Leola, Aaravos's daughter,is evil because she taught humans Primal magic and Aaravos didn't stop her. And yet we,the audience,knows that what the council is doing is evil: killing an innocent child
@@DragonGoddess18you would think beings who deal with prophecies constantly would understand the concept of a self-fulfilling one
Indeed, if the council hadn’t murdered his daughter then Aaravos wouldn’t have become a vengeful villain. The council should have thought that human can do magic with some proper training instead of letting their arrogance blind them.
Although I can’t ever condone aravos’ actions I can at least understand why he did what he did. As for the council I blame them entirely for what happened next on top of murdering an innocent child. They kept spouting nonsense about balance when in reality they most likely felt threatened by the fact that humans were now capable of doing magic and were only interested in staying in power and took out their frustrations on Leola. I remember a quote saying that “justice is merely a construct created by the current power base” the current power base being the council. In short it’s all the council’s fault this legacy of chaos even exists.
Well said. The quote about justice being a construct may be an older quote but Darth Maul did say those words in Star Wars the Clone Wars show.
That quote is from the one and only Darth Maul
Doesn’t excuse killing children and starting wars
@@t.n.h.ptheneohumanpatterna8334 I did say I can’t ever condone aravos’ actions to begin with after all.
Odo of DS9 said that order and law are constants; it didn't matter which civilization made them, but he would enforce them.
Aaravos: And her death became my oath.
All the stars in the sky will go out.
And if I have to annihilate a whole world to get it... so be it.
Reminds me of the Dalek reality bomb
@@cunningsmile4166a rare sight to hear a doctor who reference in a discussion on the dragon prince
@@lochness5524 such things bring hope to a wovian.
When a good man is pushed beyond his limits.
Cosmic order my ass. They just wanted to remain the most powerful beings in the universe. That sweet little girl probably just showed her friend small things, like how to lift small rocks. She didn’t deserve to die like that, scared and crying for her father.
And to make it worse they basically put his prison in his daughters grave. How messed up is that?
So we got a bunch of petty Jafars
Petty jafars more like bunch of greedy power wanted for themselves
@@jimmytuplano3843well that greedy vizer from the 1992 movie pops in my head when I think about someone wanting to be most powerful in the universe.
@@cunningsmile4166 and then got backfired hard literally
I have to agree. The fact that they killed a scared and clueless child for trying to help people (who are suffering, at that) and have no decency to even spare her in the place of someone willing is extremely telling. I want them to explore this in season 7. Because the way they are portrayed here sets them up as these power-hungry monsters who deceive people into thinking they are good. There is literally no reason for them to have killed Leola for that. Yes, Aaravos is messed up (in the way that he chose to spite them), but so are they. He needs to go down, but so do they. It makes so much sense for the type of character they want Aaravos to be (I think, judging by the way he was written this episode). Not a grey character, but a villain who has a point. If the council gets no consequences for killing Leola and being the technical catalyst for this spiral of chaos, I'm gonna be deeply unsatisfied.
Edit: Yes, I know I already said this, but I felt that it was just better to write a new, improved reply.
The wrath of a angry father is one hell of a thing
Bemused laugh. Many never get this fact
Buddy I get the fact and this fact is the council just a angry dad who they kill his daughter because it's a wrong thing that BS
The mystery of Aaravos is now unraveled and it is tragic, he’s not a monster, he’s a father who’s lost everything and wants vengeance
dude he is a fawking monster...... lost your child it is sadness for the rest of your life but what he did is unthinkable pure EVIL
@@guyleclerc7324 he’s done monstrous things but because they made him that way, monsters aren’t born they’re made, so your right he is a monster but he is also a grieving father, if someone killed your only child right in front of you I think anyone would become monstrous to get revenge
The whole point is that Aaravos is bringing chaos to the order that killed his daughter for a simple act of kindness. She was a kind and giving soul, being punished for trying to gift magic to others. Look at what happened to the Primal stones given to humanity; the elves have them. And Sol Regem started this whole issue. So it makes sense Aaravos hates the favored species his brethren chose to empower. He gave dark magic to humans in order to help them fight back and hurt Xadia.
@@cunningsmile4166which it cause whole chaos now he free prepared his war against his own kind because Leola did a wrong thing that call bs
He became a monster. The reveal is only that he didn't start out as a monster. He's become just as bad as those who took his daughter from him. How many daughters have died during the wars he's instigated? How many parents have wept since then?
Isn't it obvious?! Logically what Leola did was a good thing by helping humans, but nooo! Those sparkly dunderheads killed her in the name of the so called cosmic order or whatever it's called, while what she did was literally balancing power between them. So long story short; Aaravos is spreading mayhem over the world because his kind killed his daughter because she gave magic to humans out of the goodness of her heart while being mistaken to disrupted the balance, and if they left her alone Aaravos wouldn't be blinded by revenge and the world would have been in pease with humans being able to fend for themselves, I.e. All this chaos is the so called balance guardians fault in the first place, they're the blame not Aaravos
Thank you
@@kaicraft275 what they did was wrong, I agree. and Aaravos has my condolences, of course. but the fact remains, he let his hatred and thirst for revenge blind him to the point where he doesn't see the difference between right and wrong, and now he will gladly let innocent people who did him no wrong suffer as well.
@@michaelfriedman1666 Regardless of whether Aaravos' actions were right or wrong, justified or not, they are still consequences of the council's action. So those innocent people paid for the council's sins.
In the end, we end up creating monsters worse than what we feared because of fear is what gives them life.
@@cunningsmile4166Spot on and to me when I watch those she did a right choice balanced it out think about it if the elves have the only power of magic while human not it's going to be chaos human will be enslaved by the elves then rebellion on the humanity hatred toward the elves it's a endless cycle of chaos so what she did it's a right choice but the council said no it's wrong that not balance if I was there I will say to them "ah defined balance at your own term since what Leola did is a right decision to balance between human and elves magic what happened if you have all the power what your term of call balance huh"
After revealing Aravo’s backstory I loved «The Dragon Prince» much more…I really loved how this story turned and showed that there were no villains, everyone were just broken people who suffered so much. And they chose the dark path on purpose. The creators are really talented people. Can’t wait to see season 7.
It is also a great example of how destructive the cycle of vengeance is. We see time and time again that everybody keeps suffering each time somebody had their vengeance. Each time creating somebody else who seeks revenge and continuing the destructive spiral.
If they’re trying to get us to root for him now, I have to admit, it’s working. The line may be thin but what they did was like running across that line with wild abandon. They killed a child for being a child, there is no amount of logic, or reason to justify what they have done. Aaravos’ mystery; what form will his vengeance take? The destruction of a cold indifferent world or the toppling of a heartless establishment.
The animation has gotten so much better.
When a hero's heart is broken the monster awakens, when a kind man hardens and takes up arms the whole world has reason to fear... They touched your daughter and now there will be no mercy, for anyone!
I'm getting Castlevania Dracula Flashbacks 😭
I got Salem from RWBY flashbacks. I always said they felt eerily similar. Harsher In Hindsight, heh?
There are always 2 sides to every story as long as we know this, we can less hate our enemies Aarovos, maybe a great evil, but now we know why he's a threat
Much like Lucifer. See the Fox/Netflix version and thr Hazbin Hotel version. They much like Aaravos are painted thr bad guys due to the big shots up in the heavens saying they're right and can't be at fault. And look what each of them did after all their time in their own torment.
@cunningsmile4166 all we know is lucifer was a perfect angle until he let pride consume him and became Satan Aarovos lost hus child and was given unfair punishment by grieving for eternity
@@joshuarosen1862🙄I'm being SPECIFIC here
It’s just like I think that one saying goes “every villain has their reasons.”
There always a reason villian aren't born there made
This quote fits dear Aavaros perfectly i say:
"People are not born heroes or villains; they're created by the people around them." - Chris Colfer
I never cry. Especially watching tv shows. But during this scene- I cried. It is so well done
Same, this and Viren’s sacrifice
Ok, these guys are really messed up
Anyone remember Killmonger and how his father was killed by his uncle, T’Challa’s father?
I feel like someone ought to give the council a big *“All of you were wrong!”* speech like the Black Panther to his father in the afterlife?
That’s what I thought after watching this episode too! I’d actually love to see that happen in the show
The Valar, especially Varda (Vala of the Stars), would be utterly disgusted by the Startouch Elves’ decision. Never in the name of Ilúvatar would they allow such judgement.
Especially Melkor, who was the most different/diverse from the Ainur
@@Rei.Fantasma.exactly. I feel like especially Varda, would be even more pissed off, since she’s the Vala of the Stars.
They’d sympathise Aaravos for this
And yet the valar did nothing to stop this from happening
I don't think ANY Eldar in Tolkienverse would stand for this. Even the Kinslayings between Elves were mainly warrior-on-warrior violence for complex and selfish but sympathetic reasons. You'd see the entire race going down the Feanor route if their leaders, the Maiar or the Valar ever did anything like this.
Hell, I think even the *Aeldari from Warhammer 40k* would be in uproar. A young Eldar befriending and teaching Psyker techniques to a Mon'keigh child would be taboo and cause for uproar and lectures, but _execution??_ Unthinkable.
I don't think even the Drukhari would do something like that. Well, they might kill each other's children or worse in their civil wars in Comorragh (never mind what they do to human and Tau, young or old), but for such a petty reason as this? Yeah, even Vect would find that overkill. Think about that for a moment.
Just think on how screwed up your judgement has to be that *_ASDRUBAEL VECT_* would be questioning it.
@@mew1534
Different franchises, creators and CENTURIES, bro.
Behind every person's wrong actions, is a good reasoning from the pain
Why did i just realize his shirt was open the whole time 😭
I realized it after i have seen his sketches. He had a broader chest.
I love a tragic villain, and this has hit one of my top teir of tragic villians.
Holy! Wait a minute is it just me or does thr colors of Aaravos's skin. Eyes, horns, hair and cloths look faded when he Is sobbing at the sea of the cast out. Before Leola died his colors were much more vibrant like shades of blue and purple and all that and now they're just the faded colors of what the colors used to be. Even the star on his chest is not only black now from previously being white the kind of a upside down U shape is now more like a actual u-shape it's completely opposite to how it used to be. Please tell me im not the only one who noticed this
Some Elves, like certain gemstones, can fade in color from intense stress. They pale and dull, hair going from bright white/silver to ash, and their vibrant blue skin to pewter grey. This can happen from trauma or drastic change in the environment and living conditions. Bro claims to have cried for a century, filling a crater with his tears. This alludes to him not eating, drinking, sleeping, or resting properly - if at all. Long-term depression can take physical tolls on a person's health, especially if you're outside, starving, exhausted, exposed to the elements, and constantly racked with grief. As for his chrest, many are tied to their connection to light or their primal source. As their hope dies out, or their connection weakens, the light dims and even goes out. Notice his daughter's skin is very rich in color, her chrest is very bright, and her hair is not only vibrant, but *_two toned_*
"Demons run when a good man goes to war.
Night will fall and drown the sun when a good man goes to war
Friendship dies and true love lies
Night will fall and dark will rise when a good man goes to war
Demons run but count the cost
The battle is won, but the child is lost"-Steven Moffat
Episode 777
Aired 2011
The way Aaravos has chosen to go about it is evil, but he is right in that the cosmic order must be toppled.
I fucking sobbed when I saw this scene.
I feel like Aaravos lived, because Leola would want him to go on without her. But that grief he felt, it turned to vengeance.
I heard there are four theories of justice: retribution, repayment, prevention, and intimidation.
Retribution is primarily concerned that all parties suffer equally. Ex: You run over someone's dog, now your dog must be put down.
Repayment is primarily concerned that damages are repaired. Ex: You run over someone's dog, you pay for their new dog.
Prevention is primarily concerned that measures are taken to reduce opportunities to commit future damages. Ex: You run over someone's dog, your driving privileges are taken away.
Intimidation is primarily concerned with making the choice of doing damages as unappealing as possible. Ex: You run over someone's dog, you get 50 lashes.
Of all the theories, I can't fathom how punishing that child achieves any their ends.
For astral beings of immense power, they have little grasp of corporeal cause and effect, they kill the child of an immensely powerful defafto immortal being and don't reason out that he will spend every waking second of his not inconsiderable amount of time and all the power, magical, political and psychological at his disposal to burn down the order that demanded her death and settle the score with every individual involved...
Still this is what happens when individuals become to removed from the day to day experince, they become obsessed with the letter of the rules and dont see the reasons for that rules implementation or how to apply them with discretion, everything just becomes numbers, a point to be ticked....
You may understand his reason to destroy the natural order and laws of the universe, but the reason does not jusify the crime.
I love Aaravos as a character, and this does not change it
That being said: he has since then given the humans access to dark magic, which kills living creatures to grant power (most likely in honor of his daughter), killed the queen of the sunfire elves which was in charge of peace talks to stop elven civil war, killed or imprisoned Luna Tenebris (queen of the dragons), influenced Viren to assassinate various human leaders, gave the power to remove rational thinking with the "hearts of cinder" spell, nearly drained the soul of Azymondious, and left the Sunfire Empire faction die cruelly, flying Sol Regim to then burn Katalis down, after then poisoning said archdragon
Great reason for revenge, still evil
Yeah but we don’t know what his ultimate goal is tbh… what if trying to kill the other 4 startouch elves that make up the council? We don’t know anything
Well said. So many comments are like “his actions aren’t evil because of what he went through.” Bruh???? He’s hurting innocent people
@@ShannaeJ They killed his daughter. A kid. He wept for 100 years. The dragons colluded with the council. They imprisoned him at the place where his daughter died. YES HIS ACTIONS ARE JUSTIFIED,
Another moment where he's giving Mother
Bro........here I am sitting in my family's dining room.......on the last day of summer break......and crying while reassuring a fictional female stardust elf child and feeling sorrow for Aaravos the infamous stardust elf who killed many people before the TRAGEDY that was his mystery for 5 seasons was just recently unwrapped through a screen and my headphones.
I'm REALLY going through it.
This has to be the saddest moment in dragon prince history
I wonder what he did to the Merciful One now…
I wonder if this plan is to bring enough chaos as to force the other stars to manifest their Startouched Elf forms?
then trick the world against them before removing them from the picture for good
In the end Vengeance only brings vengeance
The war between humans and elves is a good example
Twelfth Doctor speech from Zygon Inversion episode
Magic, excitement, comedy, drama, action, fantasy, thrills, and adventures. Poor little Leola, Aaravos' daughter and only child. What kind of Startouch elves would kill one of their own who had done nothing wrong and committed no crime? She was a sweet and kind girl, which her daddy was so proud of until she was taken from him. For 100 years, he wept for the death of his beautiful daughter. It's no wonder Aaravos started to cause to pain, death and suffering to innocent people over the loss of his child. (Sigh) How could the other Startouch elves in the council have been so harsh and blind? "We are all of us stardust, held together by love for an instant," said the merciful one 🐲🐉🧝🧝♂🧝♀🧚🧚♂🧚♀⭐🌟🌠✴🪄
Let me tell you something people I like that in real life. They always will be like that they will always tell judging someone who is different they don't give a s*** about people. All they care about is themselves cuz I send up multiple times and I'm just done with people like that The star torture elves I think that's what they're called. Anyway theycan go to f****** hell
But Aaravos must be held accountable for his actions to he's killing thousands of innocent people who have nothing to do with his daughter’s death.
So he was imprisoned in a replica of the home he shared with his daughter at the bottom of a lake formed by her dead body crashing into the land, filled with his tears for her… I wonder if the ones who imprisoned him knew
Monster aren't born there made 😢
Am honestly just wondering who Leolas mother is
We have seen the end of a mistery.
Soon, we will witness the beggining of a new history.
The world will be reshaped.
What I like about this show is that you can see and understand why villains became evil and do what they did... Many shows only show villains as typical bad guys without any story or motives. Here you can understand why they chose this path and became evil.
While a villain with a tragic backstory is more interesting, its a bit concerning to me that so many people don't want to acknowledge the existence of psychopats. Some people are just unable to feel emphathy and they dont need a reason.
For their insecurities, they ended up unleashing a darkness upon the world. A darkness that would raze everything to the ground in the flames of fury.
This literally made me cry I thought he was really bad but now I truly see him that he is not evil but those ....... ......! Are! Why would they do that to a child! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
"I see through the lies of the council!"
There are two possibilities either he told the full truth and since we know Aravos is the one who created dark magic it means that the outcome the council was trying to avoid was caused by their actions. The other possibility is that this story has some form of lie to it so he can manipulate Claudia.
Isn’t his whole shtick that he doesn’t lie, just omits things?
@@dragonstouch1042 definitely what I was thinking.
Lying by telling the truth is the mark of a true Manipulator
Yeah...I'd set if off if I was him too
Ben Tennyson: Hey, star holes! Alien X has a word with you!
Would be in character
Alien X will destroy them easily
Yeah, no, even Ben would side with Aaravos. Not necessarily in orchestrating entire wars, but he'd definitely take a stand against the Elves.
Ben may teach the humans how to use technology that could reduce their need for magic.
🤦♂️ Serena and bellicus
JUSTICE FOR LEOLA!
Team Aravos for life
I know this may sound crazy but…I don’t believe Aaravos, I can get that this IS his reason but given his manipulative nature I wouldn’t be surprised if this was all a tall tale.
While this doesn't excuse Aaravos' actions, it does make them more understandable. After going through something like this, I can understand why he would just want to watch the whole world burn.
There are way too many comments saying that they excuse his actions because of this…bruh if he only killed the council then yes, but he is choosing to hurt innocent people for Leola, someone who believed in peace and love. He’s a villain.
@@ShannaeJ
Like I said, I'm not excusing his actions. I'm just saying that this makes them more understandable.
@@pageachatter229 fair👌🏻
It sad that Aaravos family is gone he just want the to pay
accurate depiction of how much forgiveness people have for autistic kids when they mess up honestly
Exactly.
This made me cry a lot
Guys. I have a theory. What if Leola’s friend is Caleb’s ancestor, since Leola gifted her magic which explains why he can do magic
This feels like Dota Dragon's blood season 2, with Philomena 😅
I feel like Carl and Aaravos would best buddies, killing Gods to avenger their daughters and rewriting universes.
Hot take, but it wouldn’t shock me if this entire story was complete bs. I don’t think that’s the direction they’re gonna take it otherwise they wouldn’t have dedicated the entire finale to it.
I just wouldn’t be surprised if Aaravos told this whole story just to manipulate Claudia into setting him free.
@@joshp.1682 I don’t think he’s lying mainly because almost every villain in this show is driven by loss and a desire to avenge that loss. Why should Aaravos be any different? This backstory is perfectly in line with the show’s themes.
They were hyping up this section of story way too much for it to have not been a thing (the four part falling star posters, opening the first episode on the 100 Years scene with no context, the bones at the bottom of the Sea)
Then there's the way it was presented to *us* from a Doylist perspective. From a Watsonian perspective, I think Claudia is actually getting LESS detail.
"I'm not lying. I never lie" - Aaravos.
But did you see it when it crumbled to dust?
I think that if Aaravos limited himself to just Sol Regem and to the Startouched Elves, aka, the people who painfully murdered his terrified and pleading daughter in front of him, we would all have hard time condemning his actions.
I still understand why he hates all of them.
0:37 Leola's star flipped !!??
Look I know this is sad and all but Aaravos is NOT a good guy why is everyone treating him like an innocent man? He did so many evil things It's not about love anymore he is evil
Nothing new, I think. People are suckers for a charming villain with a sad backstory! Lol.
So for me: I’m sorry for the whole ordeal and the “mercy” he was given.
However that doesn’t excuse anything he did. People like to mix up excuse with reason.
Good dad, evil man.
It's evil to take revenge on the people who killed your daughter.
I agree. If anything…Aaravos should of went with his daughter.
It’s no wonder he turned out like this, they took away his everything, now he wants to destroy everything else
Wanda: you took everything from me.
Yeeeeeeah, I'm quite team aaravos. I'm glad he took down Sol Regem. But if he destroys Rayllum, I will destroy him.
I can't believe I was rooting for the bad guys this entire time! I've never felt so betrayed.
If Aarovos was a woman they'll say she's overreacting and just an emotional woman. But since Aarovos is a man, his rage and grief can be justified as something normal. 😂
What's wrong with you dude?
As much as it pains me to say this I feel like his actions are Justified now
Why does the elf at the end look so much like callum's mom
This made me kinda realize he is a broken villain- I feel bad for him
I would want revenge on the not so great ones if I was aaravos. This is so unfair for Leola. 😢😢
After what he witnessed and lost he has every right to be a villan
That’s not how being a villain works. You don’t earn the rights to be a villain lmao. He chose that path.
You know, now aaravos is basically the sosuke aizen of the dragon prince, except aaravos has a clear goal and reason why he does what he does
I’d say more Dracula from Castlevania
Aizen's motivation is basically realizing that Soul Society and the Spirit King are worthless and that new order must be made. He just lacks the obvious "lost loved one" motivation.
The dragon Prince, The Mystery of Aaravos ... Aaravos has been the main villain of the world for over a Millenia. and before he became one, he was a loving father ... A Startouch Elf, who can live forever by re-incarnating ... But when his Startouch Elf Daughter taught Humans how to do Dark Magic, which costs the life of others to do the magic of ... The Startouch Council permanently killed her and sent her along the Aether ... She would never return, and he had the choice to go die with her in that way ... But he chose not to, cause he wanted to do more ... Aarovos felt regret for centuries, even literally crying a lake in the World filling it up entirely with his tears ... Because of this pain, he found a new purpose ... And that was to cause chaos and even potentially destroy the World by manipulating the higher powers governing the World. And he will never stop until it is all over.
after watching this, i support all aaravos's rights and wrongs🥰🙏‼️
Oh, hi Arcann
She didn't deserve this like she's just a child
Season 7, please have one of the human characters point out to the council that the spiral of chaos they so feared was set into motion by their own hands
Book 7
Dark
They could have just erased the memory of humans.
Did they actually go there?
Feels a lot like how Hazbin Hotel's Lucifer got the boot to down under.
Why did they imprison him? I don't remember that being part of the punishment-I thought it was originally just his daughter dying
It wasn't them to punished him but the dragons as they saw him as a threat for teaching humans dark magic
@@libraopal22 ohhhh ok- but he didn't teach humans magic, right? Shouldn't the dragons have seen his daughter as the threat and not him?
@@aashnaabcYou misunderstand the order of events. His daughter _tried_ to teach humans normal "good" magic, and did not succeed before she was executed for it. In retaliation, Aaravos taught humans _dark_ magic instead, which corrupts them and kills magical beings, and began screwing everyone over with his schemes. This is what the dragons imprisoned him for. It's a little strange the other startouched elves didn't execute him for the far worse crimes he committed intentionally; I think the implication is probably meant to be that he got to all of them first.
@@backgroundnpc9631 Ohh ok, but I thought he got imprisoned right after his daughter died. I am assuming through what you said, that would mean that after his daughter's death, he retaliated and that then caused him to be imprisoned
@@aashnaabc Correct. Ironically, the reason his daughter was executed was because there was a prophecy that teaching humans magic would throw the world into chaos--a prophecy that was fulfilled because of the dark magic Aaravos taught them in revenge for said execution.
on leola's wiki site it's said her debut was in season 5 episode 9, we know her remains are at the bottom of the sea of the castout, but so far i can't remember anything from seeing something hinting her existence and i can't remember something about her being said, so why is s5e9 displayed as her debut?
0:01
I've watched this series with my partner our whole relationship, and since season 2 I've said that elves are elitists pricks that even rub it in the humans' faces that they cant perform magic... and apparently I've been agreeing with the supremacist since before I even knew he existed...
and I still agree with him
Viren was never a true supremacist. His actions come from a place of tried-and-true history of Elves lording over their superiority over humans and engaging in disproportionate violence whenever slighted. Avizandum killed three queens over a Golem, and then had the gal to preach about "cherishing life" to her widowed husband.
The fact he is annoyed with but still tolerates Terry and Claudia's relationship shows that. He's sincerely at a loss on how to feel towards Terry (AKA probably the first friendly and polite Elf he ever met in his whole life) and is harsh when telling him to get a grip after he kills someone to save Claudia, but he doesn't hate him on principle like a supremacist would.
@@DeathMessenger1988 I wasnt talking about Viren, I was talking about Aaravos
@@thatmexicanuzer
Aaravos isn't a supremacist either. None of his vendettas and motivations are race-based.
I don’t think he is lying
Because of the simple truth is that is motivation enough to understand why he is doing what he is doing
If it’s just something he made up then he is sadistic
Truth is it’s more complexing to think he is on the path he is in because of the injustice this “cosmic order” has
they should call this show 'Aaravos' because all other characters and their struggles are very meh by comparison
Non chalant gesturing.
Very well.
Hard to convey what I'm saying. You know when someon pauses for a moment after hearing a good reason to help?
I hope he gets his revenge
I can always hear bellowing laughter
Whatever happened to the startouch elves, they had it coming. When you sell yourself as the most advanced civilisation you don't kill children.
Villians aren't born they're made. Every single action has reason.
He didn’t deserve what happened to him that counsel should be held accountable for everything but I’d still take Aravos down in a heartbeat
This was so unbelievably shitty of the council to do... kill a scared child for wanting to help people (and people who are suffering, at that). Now I understand and don't blame Aaravos for not wanting his daughter's undeserved death to go unpunished, even though I can never condone the way he went about it.
I think it would make a lot of sense and be interesting if the council were also villains in a way. And while Aaravos is still a villain, he would be trying to take down another villain. Like there's just so much I feel there is that the story is not telling us about this council and their "cosmic order". Killing Leola would not reverse the fact that humans now know some magic, so why did they do it? Whatever it is, it is definitely something that would tell us that these guys are, in reality, evil. Yes, Aaravos is messed up and needs to go down, but so do they, is my point. I think that's the right direction for his character.
I wept with Aaravos
Iam really crying irl 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I don't know why... but I feel like Aaravos is telling someone else's story.
Interesting…
And why Ive always despised the elves
Startouch elves
Imagine if the merciful one was the mother
Still he is evil.
But they are worse.
It’s her life she controls it. The star order sorry for your loss. Why not revive her tell him and Claudia did it just The ingredients you need to find and then get her soul understand what you did was because of that their jerks the person that did that to his daughter😢😭
Im not a parent so im not sure if this is the right thing to say but....when given the choice to watch your child die or die with them (especially for bs reasons) ,isnt normal to pick the latter?
I dunno man. He left his daughter to die alone and scared vs join her in the stars. And then he goes on to sow discord in humanity, going against everything his daughter would want?
Some father.
To be fair he didn’t die with her not because he was scared to die but because he wanted to live to enact revenge.
Wouldn't Leola have returned once her stars aligned? I'm confused about that plot point.
@@hajerahkhanom9301 Maybe Startouch elves CAN be permanently killed, but only be other Startouch elves. Only a god can kill a god, and the ST elves are the closest thing this show has to gods
@@ninakrishnamurthy6674oh Army of the Doomstar logic?
@@cunningsmile4166 I don’t know what that is