Ms Nana and Mr Armin, THANK YOU for lending your talents to this episode of Lower Decks. It was just like "home" hearing your voices again on the promenade, in the office, at Quark's... what a fun episode! Did either of you have any trouble "finding" your character's voice? You seemed to fit right back into it again!
Each time we have seen Orions in Trek their green has been a different shade, so it was good to see two of them in the same shot having different skin tones -- it legitimizes all the variations we've seen over the decades as all being "real Orions".
Loved Nana's comment on "finger on the pulse of what makes Star Trek" Star Trek. I hope the showrunners for the other shows take note of this. Main reason why I love Lower Decks the most out of all of Nu Trek. I really hope Lower Decks works a bit like Futurama on how it started as a comedy but ended up becoming something even more, yet did retain what it was when it started. Oh and MVP ARMIN IN THE HOUSE!!! :)
I will be totally honest I had to go to IMDB to look up who Louise was, but wow I was staggered to read that she was only in 14 episodes because in my mind it feels like twice that many, she was such a big presence and a great villain.
Loved how LD had Colonel Kira toon took a moment to look at the wormhole, acknowledged Captain Sisko just like that! LD season 3 has not been as strong, but this episode was indeed a love letter to DS9
I'm just going to say it: Nana Visitor looks fabulous 😊 Awesome interview and review of an awesome episode of Star Trek. I believe this show will connect Paramount+ with the huge demand from fans for more DS9. We'll see more.
Armin talks about appearing in the Ferengi makeup in England. I was there (Destination Star Trek Birmingham, 2018) for that and had the Ferengi family photo with Armin, Max and Aron who were in full makeup too. It's a very fond memory for me, especially as we now know it was about the last time the three of them were together in full Ferengi makeup and attire.
This is my favorite episode of Star Trek Lower Decks. It was so good to see the good old station and it's awesome cast of characters. Absolutely LOVED it!!
Such a great episode! My thoughts on Kira being angry about the holosuite program are that, even though she made it with Odo, it served it’s purpose and she forced Quark to delete it. Here, she’s discovering that he didn’t actually delete it, or so she thinks. Something to that effect.
This was a beautiful episode. Thank you all. Cirroc, I love the way you describe things, and review the areas of episodes you talk about. You are so fun and entertaining to watch. The tributes to the late Louise Flethcer was beautiful. And what Armin said about hearing Nanas voice in his head was just heart warming. Beautiful episode guys, thank you for this.
Louise Fletcher was staggeringly talented, I found Winn hard to watch because she was so thoroughly loathsome. There aren't many actors (as in I can only think of one other) who have given me such a visceral reaction to a character, and that has stuck with me for years. What a terrible loss. Condolences to her family and friends.
Wowee! We got to go back to DS9, then talk about it with Nana & Armin? What a day! Thank you!!! I play Star Trek Online; I'm frequently on DS9, but I was SO glad to see Lower Decks taking the rest of the world back there with appropriate reverence. Only took a quarter century. Now if we could just get Sisko out of that celestial temple... 🖖😍
Thank you so much to Cirroc and Ryan and the 7th Rule team for this terrific Lower Decks episode review...and very special Thanks to very special guests Nana and Armin! Ah, I have SO many thoughts/feelings on this Love Letter to DS9! It was both joyful and bittersweet to watch. LOVED that Nana and Armin got to reprise their roles, but sad for the absence of DS9 actors we've lost. I do love that Rene Auberjonois was mentioned in this review, as I was missing Rene/Odo SO much in this Lower Decks episode! I'd like to think that, as Kira was gazing at the wormhole, she was thinking of Odo and missing him (though I'm sure she was also thinking about Sisko too in that moment). But anyway, such a wonderful Lower Decks episode -- well done to the entire LD team! What a great gift to us DS9 fans.🥺🙂👍🏻👏🏻❤🧡💛
WAtching DS9 on H&I? I compliment the station as they are running DS9 in sequence. I only saw one or two episodes when it first aired, I thought it sucked. Now that I have had a chance to watch the series start to finish, all I can say that it is the best of the Star Trek programs with the quality if the actors and allowing the actors to develop. Having episodes that concentrated on specific characters helped considerably.
Such a delight; just sad my favorite ST character couldn't be a part of it too (Odo). And I hope Nana and Armin know the show was always appreciated and beloved even if not by as many people back then. And Cirroc I think the only reason they didn't ask you back is precisely *because* they didn't want the first canonical mention of the Siskos since DS9 to be on the animated comedy show, or really in any show because Ben's story and character are feel too hallowed to touch again or try to change in any way for a fleeting appearance. Thank you to all, this is a real treat.
I really enjoyed this episode! I too was drawn right in - the way it was presented was just like a regular DS9 episode! I'd love to see more like this! Thank you, Armin and Nana, for doing this! Bravo!
Before the Lower Decks episode started, I decided to watch a DS9 episode to get me in the mood. And I decided something a little more comedic to keep with the tone and I haven't seen in a while. It was 'In the Cards' and it was perfect because I completely forgot Kai Winn was in that one. And it hit me watching it Aron Eisenberg, Rene Auberjonois and Louis Fletcher were all in the same episode which was a nice if unexpected tribute for me. And it was great to see Cirroc have such a big and fun role as well. That episode is so under-rated. And thanks to Visitor and Shimerman both for a terrific episode of Lower Decks and participating in this interview!
i admit, i teared up, especially when Kira looks out at the celestial temple... i really felt that they treated DS9 and its lore with care and respect. thanks, lower decks.
I would LOVE to see more adventures of Deep Space Nine and its characters, on their own in the original timeline, and in guest starring appearances on Lowe Decks and Prodigy and future Star Trek shows. I'd love to see a DS9movie or miniseries or special.
DS9 is the most emotionally invested of all the Star Trek series. On a personal note, Nana looks incredible. Still the Kira Nerys we all fell in love with.
My favorite part of any nana visitor performance is that she delivers these weird bajor an place names and the way she talks about places like galotep or haru makes you believe it’s a place where Kira has been and that is important to her. So in this episode I love that it’s this staccatos recitation of all these place names and she’s just once again handling them perfectly in this running gag.
This is going to be one of those episodes that I rewatch a thousand times. It's such a great tribute to DS9 as well as being a great episode of Lower Decks! Also, Bathlets-R-Us had me crying from laughing.
Here's another Easter egg for y'all -- Tendi used a communicator badge, along with a couple of things never intended to be used in a device, in order to get through a door. In the original series episode "Patterns of Force," Kirk and Spock used a subcutaneous communications implant -- along with a couple of things never intended to be used in a device -- to get through a door. Just sayin'... 🙂
Just when I was getting over the theme music and wondering OMFG who's still on the station that we're going to see, we pan across the promenade as a tease, there's an unknown ferengi, there's unknown Klingons etc. Cut to Ops and out the turbo lift is *punches the air* Kira and I got so excited I had to skip the episode back. I held it together thereafter and am optimistic, whilst wanting more, that this is exactly the toe in the door DS9 needs to reunite us all with beloved stories and characters and they with their beloved audience. ALL THE FEELS DS9 is more than special and if I or anyone didn't realise before our reactions to this episode and these characters returning, then there can be no doubt of the demand. If Mike wants ANY help figuring it out I imagine he could hire an army of unpaid interns to this end, including myself.
to me...yeah i was so emotional about the arrival at ds9 but the big point to me was when Kria met Shacks and across time she was able to take you right back to the orginal reason of DS9...the ending of the occupation and two people that survived the hell.
We all loved René, and I feel really fortunate that I got to meet him at an event in Brazil, but Odo's participation in the episode is not something I assume would have happened. Considering what happened in the finale, he and Sisko are the characters whose presence would be the most unlikely.
The last time we saw Colonel Kira, standing next to Jake as they both look out of the window, she was back in her Bajoran Militia uniform. Remember, Kira only took the Starfleet battlefield commission to placate Legate Damar's Cardassian resistance movement. And she immediately reverted back to her regular uniform once the Dominion War was over.
DS0 was my favorite of the 90'sera Star Trek shows. Oh, I love TNG and VOY too. But DS9 hooked me from the start with the pilot episode. Sisko's trauma and grudge, while still raising his son; Maj. Kira was this kick-butt powerhouse(with good reasons for her feelings) an instant like, and different from Ro Laren. Terry Farrell as Jadzia Dax, so interesting, with the "Old Man" history. Odd, this grumpy, yet fair being. O'Brien, already known from TNG given a chance to shine. Dr. Bashir as this very naive guy fresh out of the Academuy immediately insulting Kira without knowing why. Quark as this excellently shady character who shows glimmers of more, a conscience usually hidden, who raises some very valid criticis\s of humanity and Starfleet and the Federation. Nog and Jake forming this great friendship, where both outgrow their kid selves to become outstanding men. Rom, who breaks out of a very small submissive role to become much more. Gary, this smarmy tailor and spy, but who also has more to him than we would first guess. And dang it, Morn, who I wish had become more than a running gag about being silent only on camera. Also, I wish we had gotten more of Kai Osaka, whom I thought was a fantastic character and actress. Gulp Ducat, the consummate villain, who always thinks he's right, never sees what he's doing as wrong. DS0 did a great job with its recurring characters and with the difficult spots where things were not so rosy and bright, more realistic. I'd (as usual) like to point out Diane Duane's novel, the Wounded Sky, which has some interesting similarities to the Bajoran Wormhole Prophet Aliens, while being very different, predating DS0. I loved seeing the What We Left Behind documentary. I wish we'd get a movie or special or miniseries, something, but in the original timeline. I was so happy to see how Lower Decks did the episode. This did great for Kira and Quark, although I wish we'd had more. Also, I'd love to see more depth and development of the Ferengi. When I rewatched the first few seasons of TNG, DS9, and VOY, I noticed a few things about the old-style Fereni (before the Quark DS0 redesign) that, together with the Quark-era Ferengi, make for greater potential for them to be tweaked again and show more in-depth. Thanks to all the DS0 cast and writers for such an amazing show, still with so much untapped potential and so much depth we did get to see. Oh, and Vic Fontaine needs a shout out too.
The Strange new Pod podcast pointed out a difference between Bajoran culture and humans: Kira and Shaxs are both eager to give the other credit and not take too much credit for their own heroics. They're eager to owe each other a debt of gratitude for helping / saving each other or other people, doing good / heroic deeds; while humans tend to take credit for themselves. The podcast folks thought this was partly Bajoran religious philosophy and partly overall cultural outlook. I was impressed by their take on it. Overall, they had some very good things to say, analysis of the episode.They were thrilled to have so much good stuff about DS9 and the depth of story and character that Lower Decks gives. Great podcast, they're a lot of fun as well as smart.
About Ferengi and Quark == Not only do we get a few times when Quark chooses to help someone or save lives, and his defense of peace as an economics lesson refuting a Vulcan's logic; but also, in the Mirror DS9 universe, Mirror Quark does not squeal and whine in fear when he's taken into custody to be killed. Instead, he snarls and struggles to resist Klingons and Cardassians much bigger than a Ferengi. So Ferengi do have a strong, fierce, brave side. He also stands up for a Klingon woman, even though he's fearful of the Klingons. And then there's the ep where a female Ferengi disguises herself as a male in order to do business and make profits. Quark has trouble with this until he comes to terms with her and has some limited support. -- I thought the bit with Quark so moved that he snarls and fights, was a refreshing and revealing point. So many other small bits from Armin, Max, Aron, and others over the years, show there's more to the Ferengi than we've guessed. I wish we'd get to delve into that more with our known Ferengi characters and new ones. A tweak or just a more in-depth look into Ferengi cultures could be really interesting. Oh, this doesn't mean we need to drop anything we've already seen. Don't. Just build on and modify a little. After all, aliens should have more than just one thing about them. There should be differences within alien societies. (Also, for some reason, the few times we see Ferengi on vacation, at Risa or elsewhere, I liked too.)
I have always wondered what the exact real-world color of the Bajoran technicians uniforms were. They always looked slightly different in different lighting. Sometimes, they read as a sort of taupe or a very grey chocolate milk color, and other times, a sort of lavender or lilac grey, so an off-grey. Even so, I thought those and the rust / terra cotta command uniforms always looked good. (I kind of wanted a pine green / dark sea green Bajoran uniform color, something like Rom later wears, except his uniform has grey arm instead of a variation on the pine green.)
I was always curious about one of the background extras. I don't think she ever had a speaking part. A black Bajoran woman in an off-grey technician's uniform was seen in Ops at one of the consoles, and elsewhere, a few times in the first season or two, maybe further, but then I think she didn't later appear. It would've been cool to have her with a speaking part in a minor recurring role. -- And I wonder now if there was more variation in Bajoran nose ridges, size, proportions, how far they covered the nose and forehead. -- I have Laso wondered about the Bajoran earrings: caste or clan or what? Religious sect? Region on the planet? I wish we'd gotten more about the Bajorans. I loved how Deep Space Nine gave us differing viewpoints, not everyone on Bajor believed the same things, so you had competing ideas, not all one culture. I wonder, what about seasonal clothing, costuming? What would Bajorans wear in cold climates or to climates? All sorts of questions. :D
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Ms Nana and Mr Armin, THANK YOU for lending your talents to this episode of Lower Decks. It was just like "home" hearing your voices again on the promenade, in the office, at Quark's... what a fun episode! Did either of you have any trouble "finding" your character's voice? You seemed to fit right back into it again!
So great to get to talk to Armin Shimerman AND Nana Visitor on the same episode! I love getting to hear their personal thoughts and recollections.
It's not often I cheer out loud when watching a TV show...😀
GREAT discussion of a really fun DS9 ... oops... Lower Decks episode. And thanks for bringing Nana and Armin to join the chat @The 7th Rule !
Whole lotta feelings with this one!
Each time we have seen Orions in Trek their green has been a different shade, so it was good to see two of them in the same shot having different skin tones -- it legitimizes all the variations we've seen over the decades as all being "real Orions".
I 100% wanted to hear The Sisko.
Loved Nana's comment on "finger on the pulse of what makes Star Trek" Star Trek. I hope the showrunners for the other shows take note of this.
Main reason why I love Lower Decks the most out of all of Nu Trek. I really hope Lower Decks works a bit like Futurama on how it started as a comedy but ended up becoming something even more, yet did retain what it was when it started.
Oh and MVP ARMIN IN THE HOUSE!!! :)
I will be totally honest I had to go to IMDB to look up who Louise was, but wow I was staggered to read that she was only in 14 episodes because in my mind it feels like twice that many, she was such a big presence and a great villain.
My soul was at peace when i saw this episode,loved it
Loved how LD had Colonel Kira toon took a moment to look at the wormhole, acknowledged Captain Sisko just like that! LD season 3 has not been as strong, but this episode was indeed a love letter to DS9
Yes! And I want to think that Kira, in that moment when gazing at the wormhole, was also thinking about Odo.🥺❤🧡💛🙂
I'm just going to say it: Nana Visitor looks fabulous 😊 Awesome interview and review of an awesome episode of Star Trek. I believe this show will connect Paramount+ with the huge demand from fans for more DS9. We'll see more.
Amazing! This was such a surprise. And just 1 day after I was telling my daughter DS9 needs to come back. 😅
Armin talks about appearing in the Ferengi makeup in England. I was there (Destination Star Trek Birmingham, 2018) for that and had the Ferengi family photo with Armin, Max and Aron who were in full makeup too. It's a very fond memory for me, especially as we now know it was about the last time the three of them were together in full Ferengi makeup and attire.
No better way to spend an evening than to talk about Star Trek with some awesome people and hear from even more awesome people!
Nana and Armin. This is great!
Best Lower Decks episode ever!
My wife and I loved this episode!!
This is my favorite episode of Star Trek Lower Decks. It was so good to see the good old station and it's awesome cast of characters. Absolutely LOVED it!!
Such a great episode! My thoughts on Kira being angry about the holosuite program are that, even though she made it with Odo, it served it’s purpose and she forced Quark to delete it. Here, she’s discovering that he didn’t actually delete it, or so she thinks. Something to that effect.
What a FANTASTIC REVIEW. With Armin and Nana guests. Thank you The 7th Rule.
This was a beautiful episode. Thank you all. Cirroc, I love the way you describe things, and review the areas of episodes you talk about. You are so fun and entertaining to watch. The tributes to the late Louise Flethcer was beautiful. And what Armin said about hearing Nanas voice in his head was just heart warming. Beautiful episode guys, thank you for this.
I loved every second of this. Thanks Nana and Armin!
Louise Fletcher was staggeringly talented, I found Winn hard to watch because she was so thoroughly loathsome. There aren't many actors (as in I can only think of one other) who have given me such a visceral reaction to a character, and that has stuck with me for years. What a terrible loss. Condolences to her family and friends.
Felt like a mini DS9 episode with a bit of Lower Decks flair. I loved it.
Wowee! We got to go back to DS9, then talk about it with Nana & Armin? What a day! Thank you!!! I play Star Trek Online; I'm frequently on DS9, but I was SO glad to see Lower Decks taking the rest of the world back there with appropriate reverence. Only took a quarter century. Now if we could just get Sisko out of that celestial temple... 🖖😍
Thank you so much to Cirroc and Ryan and the 7th Rule team for this terrific Lower Decks episode review...and very special Thanks to very special guests Nana and Armin! Ah, I have SO many thoughts/feelings on this Love Letter to DS9! It was both joyful and bittersweet to watch. LOVED that Nana and Armin got to reprise their roles, but sad for the absence of DS9 actors we've lost. I do love that Rene Auberjonois was mentioned in this review, as I was missing Rene/Odo SO much in this Lower Decks episode! I'd like to think that, as Kira was gazing at the wormhole, she was thinking of Odo and missing him (though I'm sure she was also thinking about Sisko too in that moment). But anyway, such a wonderful Lower Decks episode -- well done to the entire LD team! What a great gift to us DS9 fans.🥺🙂👍🏻👏🏻❤🧡💛
Thank you for talking about this opportunity celebrate DS9 in such a beautiful way on Lower Decks! I was choked up too!
Good to see yall again
Ds9 was my favorite star trek...They have just started Ds9 over...loved that 1st episode.
WAtching DS9 on H&I? I compliment the station as they are running DS9 in sequence. I only saw one or two episodes when it first aired, I thought it sucked. Now that I have had a chance to watch the series start to finish, all I can say that it is the best of the Star Trek programs with the quality if the actors and allowing the actors to develop. Having episodes that concentrated on specific characters helped considerably.
Such a delight; just sad my favorite ST character couldn't be a part of it too (Odo). And I hope Nana and Armin know the show was always appreciated and beloved even if not by as many people back then. And Cirroc I think the only reason they didn't ask you back is precisely *because* they didn't want the first canonical mention of the Siskos since DS9 to be on the animated comedy show, or really in any show because Ben's story and character are feel too hallowed to touch again or try to change in any way for a fleeting appearance.
Thank you to all, this is a real treat.
Yes, it was bittersweet not having Odo there. He's one of my favorite Trek characters too.🥺🧡💛
Losing both Odo and Nog was a major blow as i related with those characters the most in the series :(
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I really enjoyed this episode! I too was drawn right in - the way it was presented was just like a regular DS9 episode! I'd love to see more like this! Thank you, Armin and Nana, for doing this! Bravo!
This was a great 7th Rule discussion to follow up a great DS9/Lower Decks episode!
Two great people lending their voices. I cant wait to see this!! !
Before the Lower Decks episode started, I decided to watch a DS9 episode to get me in the mood. And I decided something a little more comedic to keep with the tone and I haven't seen in a while. It was 'In the Cards' and it was perfect because I completely forgot Kai Winn was in that one. And it hit me watching it Aron Eisenberg, Rene Auberjonois and Louis Fletcher were all in the same episode which was a nice if unexpected tribute for me. And it was great to see Cirroc have such a big and fun role as well. That episode is so under-rated.
And thanks to Visitor and Shimerman both for a terrific episode of Lower Decks and participating in this interview!
i admit, i teared up, especially when Kira looks out at the celestial temple... i really felt that they treated DS9 and its lore with care and respect.
thanks, lower decks.
I would LOVE to see more adventures of Deep Space Nine and its characters, on their own in the original timeline, and in guest starring appearances on Lowe Decks and Prodigy and future Star Trek shows. I'd love to see a DS9movie or miniseries or special.
It was good hearing you guys chat with Armin and Nana. Seems like they really enjoyed their Lower Decks episode.
Great podcast, guys. Thanks to Nana and Armin for guesting here, and many thanks to them and the entire LDS team for that fantastic episode!
DS9 is the most emotionally invested of all the Star Trek series.
On a personal note, Nana looks incredible. Still the Kira Nerys we all fell in love with.
Omggggg this is the perfect recap 😍😍😍😍 how have I not followed you before??
Noo way! It is Armin and Nana? Cool!
Loved this episode and the guest stars!!
My favorite part of any nana visitor performance is that she delivers these weird bajor an place names and the way she talks about places like galotep or haru makes you believe it’s a place where Kira has been and that is important to her.
So in this episode I love that it’s this staccatos recitation of all these place names and she’s just once again handling them perfectly in this running gag.
Morn chewed the scenery, what a ham.
Thanks for the episode.
The Prophets are smiling down upon us today.
This is going to be one of those episodes that I rewatch a thousand times. It's such a great tribute to DS9 as well as being a great episode of Lower Decks! Also, Bathlets-R-Us had me crying from laughing.
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Such a great episode
So good to be revisiting DS9
❤️❤️
I love the love that the Lower Decks writers have for Star Trek - particularly 80's/90's era Trek.
Here's another Easter egg for y'all -- Tendi used a communicator badge, along with a couple of things never intended to be used in a device, in order to get through a door. In the original series episode "Patterns of Force," Kirk and Spock used a subcutaneous communications implant -- along with a couple of things never intended to be used in a device -- to get through a door. Just sayin'... 🙂
Wait! The cc text is 'tacky Kardashian fashion eyesore'
This has the be the greatest 4th wall break in entertainment history!
Love this show and Lower Decks...
Just when I was getting over the theme music and wondering OMFG who's still on the station that we're going to see, we pan across the promenade as a tease, there's an unknown ferengi, there's unknown Klingons etc. Cut to Ops and out the turbo lift is *punches the air* Kira and I got so excited I had to skip the episode back. I held it together thereafter and am optimistic, whilst wanting more, that this is exactly the toe in the door DS9 needs to reunite us all with beloved stories and characters and they with their beloved audience.
ALL THE FEELS
DS9 is more than special and if I or anyone didn't realise before our reactions to this episode and these characters returning, then there can be no doubt of the demand. If Mike wants ANY help figuring it out I imagine he could hire an army of unpaid interns to this end, including myself.
to me...yeah i was so emotional about the arrival at ds9 but the big point to me was when Kria met Shacks and across time she was able to take you right back to the orginal reason of DS9...the ending of the occupation and two people that survived the hell.
We all loved René, and I feel really fortunate that I got to meet him at an event in Brazil, but Odo's participation in the episode is not something I assume would have happened. Considering what happened in the finale, he and Sisko are the characters whose presence would be the most unlikely.
Loved! This! Vid! Great to see the familiar faces of DS9! The most underestimated Trek, but my favourite, alongside Lower Decks, naturally🖖
Nana Visitor is the most beautiful and amazing woman on earth, ever.
Her and Terri Farrell still hike together every morning from what I hear. Kira and Dax, BFFs.
@@michaelgreenwood3413 Wow. I'd love to be on that walk :) such amazing ladies.
When watching the episode, I noticed at the end that there were no federation officers in Ops.
Love the episode. Watched it like 5 times already. Can't stop laughing
It was as close to another DS9 episode as I want to get.
I don't mean to be picky, the last time we saw Colonel Kira, she was in a Star Fleet uniform. I guess it is best that she represents Bajor.
The last time we saw Colonel Kira, standing next to Jake as they both look out of the window, she was back in her Bajoran Militia uniform. Remember, Kira only took the Starfleet battlefield commission to placate Legate Damar's Cardassian resistance movement. And she immediately reverted back to her regular uniform once the Dominion War was over.
DS0 was my favorite of the 90'sera Star Trek shows. Oh, I love TNG and VOY too. But DS9 hooked me from the start with the pilot episode. Sisko's trauma and grudge, while still raising his son; Maj. Kira was this kick-butt powerhouse(with good reasons for her feelings) an instant like, and different from Ro Laren. Terry Farrell as Jadzia Dax, so interesting, with the "Old Man" history. Odd, this grumpy, yet fair being. O'Brien, already known from TNG given a chance to shine. Dr. Bashir as this very naive guy fresh out of the Academuy immediately insulting Kira without knowing why. Quark as this excellently shady character who shows glimmers of more, a conscience usually hidden, who raises some very valid criticis\s of humanity and Starfleet and the Federation. Nog and Jake forming this great friendship, where both outgrow their kid selves to become outstanding men. Rom, who breaks out of a very small submissive role to become much more. Gary, this smarmy tailor and spy, but who also has more to him than we would first guess. And dang it, Morn, who I wish had become more than a running gag about being silent only on camera. Also, I wish we had gotten more of Kai Osaka, whom I thought was a fantastic character and actress. Gulp Ducat, the consummate villain, who always thinks he's right, never sees what he's doing as wrong. DS0 did a great job with its recurring characters and with the difficult spots where things were not so rosy and bright, more realistic. I'd (as usual) like to point out Diane Duane's novel, the Wounded Sky, which has some interesting similarities to the Bajoran Wormhole Prophet Aliens, while being very different, predating DS0. I loved seeing the What We Left Behind documentary. I wish we'd get a movie or special or miniseries, something, but in the original timeline. I was so happy to see how Lower Decks did the episode. This did great for Kira and Quark, although I wish we'd had more. Also, I'd love to see more depth and development of the Ferengi. When I rewatched the first few seasons of TNG, DS9, and VOY, I noticed a few things about the old-style Fereni (before the Quark DS0 redesign) that, together with the Quark-era Ferengi, make for greater potential for them to be tweaked again and show more in-depth. Thanks to all the DS0 cast and writers for such an amazing show, still with so much untapped potential and so much depth we did get to see. Oh, and Vic Fontaine needs a shout out too.
The Strange new Pod podcast pointed out a difference between Bajoran culture and humans: Kira and Shaxs are both eager to give the other credit and not take too much credit for their own heroics. They're eager to owe each other a debt of gratitude for helping / saving each other or other people, doing good / heroic deeds; while humans tend to take credit for themselves. The podcast folks thought this was partly Bajoran religious philosophy and partly overall cultural outlook. I was impressed by their take on it. Overall, they had some very good things to say, analysis of the episode.They were thrilled to have so much good stuff about DS9 and the depth of story and character that Lower Decks gives. Great podcast, they're a lot of fun as well as smart.
About Ferengi and Quark == Not only do we get a few times when Quark chooses to help someone or save lives, and his defense of peace as an economics lesson refuting a Vulcan's logic; but also, in the Mirror DS9 universe, Mirror Quark does not squeal and whine in fear when he's taken into custody to be killed. Instead, he snarls and struggles to resist Klingons and Cardassians much bigger than a Ferengi. So Ferengi do have a strong, fierce, brave side. He also stands up for a Klingon woman, even though he's fearful of the Klingons. And then there's the ep where a female Ferengi disguises herself as a male in order to do business and make profits. Quark has trouble with this until he comes to terms with her and has some limited support. -- I thought the bit with Quark so moved that he snarls and fights, was a refreshing and revealing point. So many other small bits from Armin, Max, Aron, and others over the years, show there's more to the Ferengi than we've guessed. I wish we'd get to delve into that more with our known Ferengi characters and new ones. A tweak or just a more in-depth look into Ferengi cultures could be really interesting. Oh, this doesn't mean we need to drop anything we've already seen. Don't. Just build on and modify a little. After all, aliens should have more than just one thing about them. There should be differences within alien societies. (Also, for some reason, the few times we see Ferengi on vacation, at Risa or elsewhere, I liked too.)
I have always wondered what the exact real-world color of the Bajoran technicians uniforms were. They always looked slightly different in different lighting. Sometimes, they read as a sort of taupe or a very grey chocolate milk color, and other times, a sort of lavender or lilac grey, so an off-grey. Even so, I thought those and the rust / terra cotta command uniforms always looked good. (I kind of wanted a pine green / dark sea green Bajoran uniform color, something like Rom later wears, except his uniform has grey arm instead of a variation on the pine green.)
I was always curious about one of the background extras. I don't think she ever had a speaking part. A black Bajoran woman in an off-grey technician's uniform was seen in Ops at one of the consoles, and elsewhere, a few times in the first season or two, maybe further, but then I think she didn't later appear. It would've been cool to have her with a speaking part in a minor recurring role. -- And I wonder now if there was more variation in Bajoran nose ridges, size, proportions, how far they covered the nose and forehead. -- I have Laso wondered about the Bajoran earrings: caste or clan or what? Religious sect? Region on the planet? I wish we'd gotten more about the Bajorans. I loved how Deep Space Nine gave us differing viewpoints, not everyone on Bajor believed the same things, so you had competing ideas, not all one culture. I wonder, what about seasonal clothing, costuming? What would Bajorans wear in cold climates or to climates? All sorts of questions. :D
Man, that Vince Carter shirt is everywhere these days. Hopefully more than a few Americans will notice the next time Toronto wins the finals, haha!
Holy crap, does Nana Visiter ever age???
She looks incredible, always has.
I think every fan of Star Trek is waiting on baited breath for the return of The Emissary.
I LOVE Nana and Armin, such amazing people. Amazing actors, so humble and give their time.
T’was a lovely episode. I had a smile on my face the entire time but it was very bittersweet without the ol gang.
Just out of curiosity are all of you going on the Star Trek cruise 🛳?