Top 10 First Round Draft Mistakes Since 2000
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The DiPietro pick still blows my mind. They had just used a 4th overall pick to get Loungo a few years earlier.
They then trade Loungo and Olli Jokinen for Kvasha and Parrish.
They could have had Loungo, Jokinen and Heatley/Gaborik but ended up wit DiPietro, Kvasha and Parrish....
Just horrible
It was maddening to watch Millbury swing that but I suspect ownership had more to do with those moves than anything else. The Isles were broke then and I genuinely believe they dumped Luongo, Chara and others to free themselves from perceived big salaries.
And don't forget Chara for Yashin
@Mr. [Bones] The Dipietro contract would have been a steal (outside maybe the last 2 years or so) had he actually managed to stay healthy. I think the league restrictions on contract length will benefit GMs who think short term gain vs long term health of players is more important and prevent them from doing this. The overall problems for the Islanders in the draft were that the teams ownership was a mess and so it was easy for them to make disastrous moves. I have never fully understood Millbury's logic at shedding Luongo for Dipietro without pondering if financial motives were at play.
Chara I recall was a deal in which ownership actually pressured Millbury to deal him and getting Yashin made it easy.
It was a dumb move, but youre talking about hindsight. No one knew dipetro would have all these injury problems. Jokinen seemed like a bust. No one thought much of Chara. But why they drafted Dipetro in the first place was just weird.
Heatley, Luongo, Jokinen, Chara, Dumont, Bertuzzi, and Heatley would've had them contending for many years.
And Peter Laviolette was their bench boss who would've been Al Arbour 2.0.
*Man I love how much this channel has grown over the years, literally love you, thank you Shannon for filling a void In my life, you are a legend.*
I think Flyers are gonna really regret picking Nolan Patrick over Petersson, Heiskanen and Makar
Yeah hut we got enough talent to conform us
And flyers didn’t need maker or
Heiskanenen
@@haroldlawson8771 So far this comment haven't aged well...
Sam sir your comment has aged fantastically
Yeah I think the flyers would
Love a redo. Although Patrick has/had the skill the concussions and all
That is unfortunate
I always wonder about that 2006 draft class, and how Erik Johnson and Jordan Staal got drafted ahead of Toews, Backstrom, Kessel, Giroux, Marchand, among others
jayr9676 scouts are stupid
Spicy Meat Rubber Sometimes, but it's a hard job. Easy to look back now, but I highly doubt you could do better.
jayr9676 that's why you never pick size over skill
ya fucking penguins could have crosby malkin and toews down the middle as the core center that would be fucking insane not ill admit staal was a big help winning in 09 but with toews that depth would make them contenders every single yer
i really think the league just thought larger player were more valuable. 6'4' players can be NHL ready with very little development. we all know now speed is more important then size.
You should do the greatest steals from every franchise.
Bure, Datsyuk, Lundquist, Rinne, Byfuglien, Hasek, the list goes on.
Basically a wings draft history
Selfish Coffee sabres would be hasek
Holmstrom
@@hypernova8135 Hasek was drafted by the Blackhawks
Patric Hörnqvist went LAST in 2005.
Pretty good for a seventh rounder to score 30 goals and get back-to-back Stanley cups. What happened to the other 235 picks?
And Kings drafted Doughty 2nd overall that same year,imagine if Kings got Karlsson too that year,that could've been the best first round for one team in the history of NHL.
And Tarasenko came later in the 1st round after McIlrath in 2010
Yes, the real gaffe of 2010 was LA taking Forbort with Tarasenko on the board.
Even though I'm a huge Rangers fan how could you not include their selection of Hugh Jessiman from 2003. He has played the least amount of games in the NHL (2 games) of anyone selected in the first round. Secondly considering the talent selected in later rounds, he has to be a "Hugh" (lololol) bust.
I remember playing against espisito in all the big tourneys when there was so much hype around him. It was like 1.espisito 2.couture on the scouting lists for a while. Shit happens though, i put up 100+points in AAA and over pt per game in juniors and a short lived career in ohl and im picking my nose now. Fml
Boston having 2 picks in a row and not taking Matthew Barzal 2015
It actually was three haha.
They also could have grabbed boeser
Debrusk is actually a good player so I wouldn’t really call it a mistake
tyler peters no one knew how good boeser was at the time so stop
Hard to say really given that 2 of the 3 picks are only in their 2nd year in the AHL right now.
As a blues fan, us NOT drafting Toews in 2006 and taking Erik Johnson first overall will always chap my ass. We also could have had Backstrom, but the front office insisted we needed to draft a "franchise" defenseman to replace Pronger. FUCK. Our biggest issue since the lockout has been not having a true number one center. Still resonates today.
The fact that Pittsburg could have drafted Bäckström, Toews or Giroux in 06 is crazy.
We are all forgetting the funniest mistake in hockey draft History. Yak Attack Nail Yakupov
He will get 20 points this season because he will get lots of icetime with the avs
He is still young so he can still turn it around
Jaydon Deglin ahead of Ryan Murray too. Oilers needed that
ryan murray could have helped
What about Alexandre Daigle in 1993, I know its before 2000 but still...
Your number 1 gaffe 2008 includes the leafs drafting Luke Schen 5th overall desperate for a solid defenceman. Ottawa picks up Karlsson number 15.
*In the middle of watching.*
"Whoever didn't get Karlsson, probably."
Oh, it's number one. I feel smart.
Surprised no Zach Hamill
Joe Lynch Hamill should be high on this list....
Been subbed for a few weeks now,. Love your videos! They help me get through night shift 😁
Angelo Esposito was supposed to be so dam good. It's too bad he didn't work out.
John Kennely his year before his draft year he killed it. Was gonna go no.1. Then he had a not so good draft year and never got to play in the NHL. Couldn't play in the AHL either. Pro hockey in NA just wasn't his thing
I remember Esposito as the best player I ever played against, including a couple of his Shattuck teammates who have gone on to have successful NHL careers.
He got worse after a couple knee surgeries and tearing his hip labrum
St. Louis blues drafting Eric Johnson at #1 instead of Toews at #3 man I only wish :(
Love the videos and hockey knowledge keep the vids coming!
Wow dude! I gotta say not many people who create any kind of sports content would actually give a 3 year window of development. So many people In the sports world of YT would be quick to judge a player after 1 year calling them a bust. The age of instant gratification at is finest. Love the stuff dude!
In 2015 when Boston drafted Zboril, Debrusk and Senyshyn in a row, they could've got Barzal, Chabot and Konecny.
Tarasenko was a 16th overall pick in 2010
should have been in the top 5 or top ten at the very least glad he went 16th though.
Honestly even though they have both Blues drafting Schwartz over Vladi is kinda a mistake because in hindsight it just looks risky.
Heatley can't really be considered a gaffe because Heatley was amazing for quite a while. Coming out of the lockout, he was the purest goal scorer in the NHL
2010 Kings take Derek Forbort at 15, at 16 St. Louis takes Tarasenko.
I actually hate that one much more than the Teubert or Hickey mistakes. And that's saying alot.
This video came up june 2024 lol. Keep up the great work Shannon 👍
Thank you very much for filling the hockey void in my life at this time of year with your videos.
Best steal of each draft from 2014 back until 2000
2014: Viktor Arvidsson (4th round 112th overall)
2013: Jake Guentzel (3rd round 77th overall)
2012: Shayne Gostisbehere (3rd round 78th overall)
2011: Johnny Gaudreau (4th round 104th overall)
2010: John Klingberg (5th round 131st overall)
2009: Mike Hoffman (5th round 130th overall)
2008: Cam Atkinson (6th round 157th overall)
2007: Jamie Benn (5th round 129th overall)
2006: Brad Marchand (3rd round 71st overall)
2005: Keith Yandle (4th round 105th overall)
2004: Kris Versteeg (5th round 134th overall)
2003: Joe Pavelski (7th round 205th overall)
2002: Dennis Wideman (8th round 241st overall)
2001: Mike Smith (5th round 161st overall)
2000: Henrik Lunqvist (7th round 205th overall)
Agreed or disagreed?
2004: Pekka Rinne (7th round 258th overall)
Nail Yakupov was drafted first overall because he was so good in the OHL with 170 points in 107 games I was so surprised he was not that good in the pros
he was developed poorly 2 years in the ahl would have changed his career imo
@@justinkoerner9595
Him going 1st overall made going to the AHL impossible. Don't think we will ever see a 1st overall pick go straight to the AHL unless there was injury and a conditioning stint or whatever
His style of game was built for the KHL unfortunately not the NHL
2008 The NJ Devils select Matias freaking Tedenby 24th overall instead of Jersey native John Carlson who goes 27th.
Video idea: 2003 full first round re-draft
The growth in the 5 year span from this to what you do now is amazing!
That's funny, "the habs don't need Carey price", if 2015-2016 showed, Carey price is the Montreal Canadiens
Price was the reason I stayed a Habs fan for so long. He kept them relevant on top of being a great goalie. The Habs need goal scorers now since the goaltending has been taken care of.
The draft is often a crapshoot. Who is picked a couple spots later doesn't really constitute a "mistake". A mistake is when you go way off the board and the player is a bust. Like how Boston squandered 2 of their 3 consecutive first round picks a few years ago. Mark Scheifele for example would have been a mistake, if he had been a career AHLer instead of a multiple time All Star, because the pick was considered a reach. Nail Yakupov was a relatively small mistake. Central Scouting had him as the best player of that draft, which lessens the Oilers liability for picking him.
2015 Boston Bruins 1st round. All three picks were well of the board and they missed K. Connor (15), M. Barzal (16), T. Konecy (24), O. Kylington (60). I included Kylinton because he was expected to go mid-1st round but fell drasticly. He is still a top prospect with the Flames. Also he was featured in Rhys Jessop's amazing tweet.
Cussing Tortoise don't forget boeser
I always giggle a little thinking about a guy named Fowler on the ducks
Another issue I see with redrafts is there is no time machine that gets you to the same place on an alternate timeline. Or more specifically, if a player is taken by organization A in the 3rd round and develops into a stud; the outcome isnt guaranteed as if they were taken by organization B in the 2nd round. Different organizations have different depth charts, different development plans, different systems and coaches that may or may not maximize a player potential.
You could be a defensive centre stuck behind 2 established centres and a couple of vets, you get outplayed and try to switch the wing turn into a grinder. Not everyone can be successful at adapting their game and finding a roster spot.
7x9=63...that's one of my fav math problems I would say.
Everybody who anguishes over their team need look no further than missed draft picks. The team you might have had. Like you note, some of these would be difference makers. I like and respect your knowledge and well reasoned opinions. Good job Lad.
In 2014 Winnipeg drafted Nikolaj Ehlers in the 9th spot,he also should have been taken higher and he was passed over by a few teams as well. Bob.
Hornqvist is probably the best last overall pick of all time
Florida Panthers take Keaton Ellerby at 10 in 2007. Ryan McDonagh went 12th. Do I need to continue?
I like that TH-cam has started recommending your older videos to me :)
Kucherov @ No.58 in 2011
Ranger fan here. In 2010, Tarasenko was drafted 16th. That hurts
I feel like you could do a list for draft picks no one picked until 4th round or something that many many teams could have (ie Johnny gaudreau
2012 Edm Yakupov 1st overall
Galchenyuk 3rd
Reilly 5th
Trouba 9th
F. Forsberg 11th
Vasilevsky 19th
Maybe it’s difficult to defend taking any of those players first overall at the time but Brian Burke famously said Yakupov was the worst draft interview he ever had and one scout wanted to fight him.
Its criminal that Oilers' Nail Yakupov gaffe is not here. He was the 1st pick overall, which makes this gaffe even more crazy.
The worst is Boston having picks 13,14,15 (Picking Zboril,Debrusk and Senshyn) and then picks 16,17,18 were Barzal,Connor and Chabot. Imagine Boston with those 3 players right now.
The best is Patrick stefan I mean he can almost score on an empty net
The thing with teams missing out on Karlsson is mostly because he was projected to go in the 3-4th round and also when he was drafted he was under-sized like mad, under 70kg. That's a pretty risky pick in the 1st round. There's a fantastic interview with Anders Forsberg, former scout for the Ottawa Senators where he describes how they eventually drafted him, and hard he had to push to get him drafted. Unfortunately it's in Swedish.
The one i always regret the habs doing not to long ago is trading 2 second round picks to chicago for andrew shaw, one of those second round picks became ALEX DEBRINCAT!!.......
Oh boy! Considering the number of gaffes the Capitals made, I'm surprised the team dodged a bullet and avoided your list. But for those who want a refresher:
2005: Washington wanted Marc Staal, but the Rangers snagged him first, and they took Sasha Pokulok. Taken at #29 is Matt Niskanen, and even though he's playing for the team now, you wonder if some of the Capitals' defense woes could have been plugged earlier.
2008: Washington took Anton Gustafsson cause of his father, when Jordan Eberle was available (and taken by Edmonton) with the next pick. Maybe the Filip Forsberg gaffe may be justified if Eberle was on the Capitals' depth chart. Luckily, the Capitals redeemed themselves by picking John Carlson and later on, Braden Holtby, two cornerstones of the current team.
2012: Putting Filip Forsberg aside, I'm still wondering if picking Tom Wilson was the right move, cause considering their defense woes in the early 10s, you wonder if Cody Ceci, Olli Maatta or Brady Skjei would have been smarter choices.
Hindsight is 20/20.
Ken Hamada welp, they have a cup now
My number one gaffe was Detroit drafting Tom McCollum number 30 overall, when guy named Braden Holtby (93rd overall) was still on the board. Um... I don't know if that is a steal, a gaffe by Detroit, or just great player development by Washington's system. But drafting McCollum at all was a gaffe.
No mention of Toronto trading up to pick up Tyler Biggs? And the picks they gave up became John Gibson and Rikard Rakell for Anaheim. Also, in the same draft, they used their other 1st round pick on Staurt Percy and missed out on guys like Brandon Saad, Gibson, Rakell, Kucherov etc.
Easy to make these judgement now, but it's so hard to predict how a player will turn out when they are so young
Since you mention luongo I would like to let everybody know that Bobby Lou was a leaf draft pick. When the idiot Toronto sportscasters called for the return of Wendell. The leafs traded a 1st round draft choice and a future 3 time all star defenceman for a broken down Wendell. Not Wendell’s fault he gave it his all. I remember fletcher saying you wanted it when he made the trade. So he was pressured into making the trade. Wendell lasted 2 more years and retired.
Man, the Kings would have been deadly with Karlson and Doughty as a pairing.
2012 Sabres grab C Mikhail Grigorienko at 12 and trade up to grab C Zemgus Girgensons at 14, 17th overall was Thomas Hertl and Scott Laughton went 20th overall, Girgensons is still a 4th line player for the Sabres but both Hertl and Laughton would've been much better options. Grigorienko was traded to Colorado with Nikita Zadorov and J.T. Compher in exchange for Jamie McGinn and Ryan O'Reilly.
I wish the Blackhawks gave Kyle Beach a NHL shot he was good for the IceHogs until he got traded
As an Oilers fan, I am surprised, confused and appreciative a certain first overall Russian was not mentioned.
1995 Sharks take Teemu Riihijärvi 12th overall. 13th overall was J-S Giguere by Hartford.
2005, Ottawa takes Lee two spots before Kopitar goes. In 06-07 Sens would have had Spezza/Kopitar/Fisher down the middle and maybe Anze would have been the difference in the series vs Anaheim.
The Flyers reached for Giroux in 2006 as most scouts had him going in the second round I believe in the 50's and I recall a lot of media made a big deal about Philly going way off the board for him. It made sense given that Giroux was small and the League was just then making its shift to a faster smaller player friendly game. Its clear some GM's were quite timid at going after the little guys too early.
As to 2008 I marvel at the retrospective of that draft. It was loaded with strong D and the Kings made off with Drew Doughty at #2. The Kings had drafted Thomas Hickey the year prior at 4 who at the time was touted as a high end free flowing scoring D-man and Tuebert was supposed to be the big tough stay at home type. I clearly see LA trying to round out their prospect pool after grabbing Doughty who was a lock to be a big time player and Tuebert expected to be the balance. Furthermore Karlsson was another player tagged for the 2nd round and Bryan Murray actually traded up 3 spots to select him, a move that had his own fanbase ridiculing him all over town. How ironic given how great he turned out.
Love how Jack Campbell has panned out. You can’t count out goalies Shannon. Campbell I think has earned that 11th spot now!
In 2008 LA already picked Doughty and could've picked Karlsson with the 14th, that would've been the greatest d-pair of our time if they had managed to keep both. As a sens fan I'm so glad they didn't xD
When Boston had three straight picks and missed on Kyle Connor, Barzel and Thomas Chabot. They did get Debrusk but damn...
Does St.Louis drafting Erik Johnson with the 1st overall pick count as a mistake?
2003 Washington Capitals
18. Eric Fehr (WSH)
19. Ryan Getzlaf (ANA)
20. Brent Burns (MIN)
Could you imagine a Getzlaf/Backstrom tandem in the early Ovechkin years. Also, a Mike Green/Brent Burns tandem would've been awesome too.
the fact that the flyers got giroux is still very surprising to me im happy but surprised
You need to do an updated version of this video
Surprised Andrei Kostitsyn isn’t on here for the habs. Jeff Carter, Dustin Brown, Brent Seabrook, Zach Parise, Ryan Getzlaf and Brent Burns all drafted within 10 picks afterwards
Well I guess the real gaff is the rangers with Hugh Jessiman only 2 picks after
Also in 2010 many teams could have gotten Taresanko
Pacioretty was the result of the Rivet trade. Imagine him as a Sabre?
Giroux is a Franco-Ontarian (like Julien and Hartley). Even though he played in Gatineau, Hearst is pretty deep in Ontario, and it is a francophone town.
I always wonder how EK slipped to #15, maybe its Ottawa's lightning strike. Fowler was another one who slipped.
How about picks who turned out to be Rikard Rakell and John Gibson, became Tyler Biggs :(
Ottawa 2005 draft Brian Lee at #9 following picks luc bourdon#10 anze kopitar#11 Marc stall #12 Martin hamza #17 tuuka rask #21
Oilers drafting Yakupov 1st overall ahead of Ryan Murray in 2012
In 2006 Jordan staal was picked by Pittsburgh at 2 and Jonathan toews was picked by Chicago at 3
TheHockeyTalk THT Staal was still a good player
damn Pastrnak should have not been available at 25 in 2014.. :) Nylanders linemate in Sweden btw. ;)
22. Max Pacioretty
26. David Perron
Perron actually has more career points than Max, albeit in a season's less of games.
Surprised you don’t have the oilers taking Nail Yakupov 1st overall in 2012 instead of Morgan Rielly who went 5th overall, or Filip Forsberg who went 11th overall, or Andrei Vasilevsky who went 19th overall. That’ll always be the worst one in my opinion
Giroux not getting picked by Montreal is the Biggest mistake in this list, as a leafs fan I'm hysterical 🤣
Got to agree with a lot of things you said. I was living in Ottawa at that time when Yashin and Daigle were starting their careers. A lot of people questioned Ottawa's management being faithful to Daigle, as it was pretty clear in the first few seasons of playing together that Yashin was better.
Ottawa made horrible decisions at that time.. Giving away Demitra, who, at that time, Yashin said was one of the few good players to play with, and favouring Daigle with a richer contract offer. Got to say though that the league and owners were probably starting to crack down on offering young players good money. Think about the problem Eric Lindros caused. You know it's probably more convenient to direct the blame away from him towards a European, especially one who is Russian.
The times though were much different then. Beforehand, Lebron kind of James attitudes then were almost non-existent, and it was rare to sit out or make a trade request. Got to blame Yashin for it in a way. This early negative impact on him may have affected him personally too in future years to come. It's all speculative, but he was made out to be a person who played for himself only. I'm not sure if this is entirely fair. When he played for the Islanders in the beginning he was swaying it the other way. But not so long after, public opinion criticized his poor play in important moments, including playoffs. But in general, I think your look at Yashin is pretty fair and objective.
But if I can say one thing. The kind of players, especially star players, are able to get away with these things fairly often nowadays. Many of them, fair enough, may be better playoff players than Yashin was, but it was inevitable that, even if Yashin never came along, that there was going to be players like him to blame.
It's still hard to think my canes took Zach fucking Boychuck over Erik Karlsson
You know what they say... He who gaffs last, gaffs loudest 😂😂
The caps taking Brett Connolly 8th overall over Taresanko, he could have been the difference maker to get them past the second round!
2012- Leafs got Rielly at 5.
Yakupov, Murray, Galchenyuk, and G.Reinhart all went before Morgan did. As a Leaf fan, this has turned out well so far. The only player I'd want is Galch. Seeing as the Leafs weakest spot is D, this was great for us, but poor for the other teams ahead (minus the Habs)
ironically the draft that yielded the best player in ottawa franchise history was the draft that was held in ottawa. Maybe they should ask the nhl if they can host another draft and have alfredsson announce another swede? another franchise player could be born.
Red Wings:
McCollum 2008, 30th in the 1st round
B.Smith 2007, 27th in the 1st round
Kindl 2005, 19th in the 1st round
The worst was J.Ericsson last pick, 9th round in 2002
In 2010 the goofs continued as some kid named Tarasenko slipped to 15th. And I can see all that teams that passed on Vilardi this year regretting it. Especially the Rangers, since they traded a 1st line centre or starting goalie for that pick.
I would suggest Erik Johnson #1 overall in 2006 by the Blues. His career hasn't been a total bust and Jordan Staal #2 is similar in production. BUT #3 was Toews, #4 Backstrom and even #5 Kessel would have been better choices. OMG Toews as a Blue? 2006 was not a great class for defensemen, and maybe there's the clue that was overlooked. The next 6 D drafted in round one played a TOTAL of 76 NHL games.
Caps drafting Ovechkin over Malkin
Don't let this comment distract you from the fact Detroit picked Brendan Smith over PK Subban and picked Jakub Kindl in the first round full stop.
Colorado missed out on Kuznetsov and Pastrnak because they picked Joey Hishon and Conner Bleackley instead. :/
Thanks for not throwing Pavel Zacha by the Devils in there. He gets such a raw deal by Devils fan. I still have hopes for him. Considering the players that went after (Provorov would have helped a lot for the defensive problems with the Devils, Barzal has been amazing to watch, Werenski has become a stellar defenseman, Meier has been good for the Sharks, Rantanen has become a fixture for Colorado, DeBrusk has become one of the go-to guys for Boston and would have added much needed grit to the team, Chabot would have helped a lot with the defense, and Boeser has become a tremendous player for Vancouver) his selection it's easy why you call Zacha a busy. Especially for a guy who went 6th overall. But he has shown flashes of the player the Devils thought he would be, especially at the end if the past season. He's also great on the PK and he may just be a late bloomer. Here's hoping that's the case. The Devils haven't surrounded him with much talent and he's a guy that needs other talent to thrive. Making him a winger after this draft and seeing how he plays when/if the Devils add some talent in the off-season (outside of the draft) will be interesting.
Zacha still mediocre bro lol devils did right getting rid of him and look what happened in the playoffs
Andrei Kostitsyn by Montreal when Getzlaf was still available... oh boy
As a lighting fan I hate to say but drafting Connolly over Skinner.
Seems like swedish players keeps getting underrated alot.
William Nylander slipped in his draft due to many scouts feeling his father was a selfish player and he being his son might end up like that. This is legit I learned this last year i forget the source but it is a silly reason if you ask me. I never saw his father play or how he conducted his career but it helped my favorite team so im happy thus far.
The canucks passed on both nylander and pastrnak in the same draft. Same situations both players too, canucks had a pick 2 before both nylander and pastrnak got picked and didnt take either of them