The Shure SM7b Is Dead.. - The Samson Q9U
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Chapters:
0:00 - Unboxing and Overview
4:02 - Unfiltered Sound Test
6:26 - The Q9U Dealbreaker
7:04 - Keyboard Test
8:06 - PROOF THE SM7b IS DEAD
11:46 - Final Thoughts
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Be honest, would you be able to tell which mic was which after Ryan added the EQ?
Nope, not even close
Why you need yo say DEAD???
I can't even get the EQ to work on my system ..
To answer... no I don't hear any difference
Nope. But TBH, assuming the SM7B sound is what you want, it's still worth getting if you have the means because you won't need to bother with EQ.
MV7 is still very different though
Very fair criticisms of the Q9U.
Also, I don’t necessarily agree that the SM7b is dead. But I do agree that it’s not the right choice for everyone. The SM7b has become the same as the Blue Yeti. Everyone buys one because everyone they see has one. No time is spent determining if the mic is the proper mic for their voice, room, use case, etc.
I think people do too little research into Microphones in general, there are so many good options.
Hey I love your work. After watching dozens of your reviews, I decided to buy the Shure SM58 and that was one of the best stream investments. Thanks so much for all the work you put into your videos man.
@@BrianMcKee Well, if you pick any of the many good options it's not really a problem. :)
based bandrew
Bandrews always right
Make sure your wearing headphones
Me with subtitles on in class: This is fine
Why are you on your phone in class
@@justmediocrity cuz class is boring
you're*
@@GentlyUsedFrog no
@@akaYenity Yes
I've bought around 10 mics and the SM7B is the king for me. I have tons of background noise and I can't find anything that is even remotely as good as the SM7B at background noise reduction. I just get that mic as close as I can to my mouth and never worry about my sound. I will say this was before the MV-7 was out. There is no way I'd switch from my baby now... I'll rock the SM7B until I get a quite environment and I can remove the mic from my video shot.
I have the At2020 usb and i have no background noise, Just use some filters and it works pretty good, I dont think id ever spend $400 just for a mic then you gotta buy a mixer to go with it. all of it adds up. Not sure how you had a lot of problems with the background noise.
Hi, I'm not that educated on mics but if that's an issue, why not use Nvidia broadcast to block out the background noise? Is it because it's more taxing on the computer?
@@toby7647 id go against the broadcast as it’s in beta still and has its issues. But obs has filters you can use to help.
@@toby7647 it's still early in its development so it produces some audio artifacts and has some bugs
Ahh ok, thanks guys.
SM7B still is and will always be a solid mic.
of course! Michael Jackson recorded thriller on an SM7B!
and my dream mic... too sexy to forget about
Not the point.
It's a transformer-less SM58 with -19dB of rejection at the rear. This means you need much better pres for clean gain than what most entry-level interfaces can provide you.
Also, the problems in most streaming set-ups are not coming from what's behind the microphone... the main reflections are really coming from the wall behind *you*, in front of the microphone. As an audio engineer, I have to say that there is no point in paying 5x the price of an SM58 to get essentially the same mic but quieter and needing more gain. That's what an SM7B is. It's designed for singers who have so much vocal power that they might get restricted by a condenser during performance (Michael Jackson famously used this mic a lot in the studio).
It was *never* designed as a broadcasts mic at all. You can definitely use it for this purpose, but at this kind of money, you'd be much better of with either a Heil dynamic, an electro-voice RE20 - which is an *actual* legendary broadcast mic - or a Shure beta 87A if you want a condenser that reject noise very well - designed for stage use but still one of the best vocal microphones out there.
All those options are less pricey than an SM7B, which will require an external pre-amp such as a Cloud Lifter CL-1 or a Dynamite, so add-in another 100-200 bucks at the bare minimum - those are really the cheapest options for pre-amps able to drive a transformer-less dynamic mic appropriately.
The factual truth is that the SM7B is NOT the right microphone for the vast majority of broadcasting applications and is way overhyped for what it actually is. It's not versatile enough for a first microphone as well.
If you want this level of rejection, use a shotgun above your head (1-2 feet) and put a carpet on your floor.
He's just saying for streamers who want a mic like the SM7B, there's an option for less than half the price without sacrificing quality for their specific use-case.
Would a pro with a studio use the Q9U over the SM7B? Probably not. But a streamer in their bedroom or home office now doesn't have to feel obligated to pay more than $200 for a pro sounding mic, provided they put the time into learning how to make it sound good.
@@colonel_koopa sm7 but yes kinda
What I like about Q9U: cheap, versatile uses, type c connector, complements my workflow and voice. Never had the Shures because I can't afford both of them.
You definitely need to be comfortable with EQ if you want the Samson to sound anywhere close to the 7b. But as a mic that offers an affordable upgrade path the Samson has a lot to offer.
I don't think a 199 dollar mic is a nice upgrade path because that's a big step up from the el cheapo Amazon mic a lot of starters use?
Hey Junkie! What do you think about the Q2U being used for extreme vocals
@@jasperdiscovers eh I think he means people getting ready to step up their audio game. Anyone who does wouldn't get a lower tier AT2020 unless they want to sacrifice some quality, so this is a considerable option
@@CybertroninfiniteOfficial I think it might be Ok, not great, Just OK. I'm no expert in extreme vocals though. I'd be concerned about how the midrange sounded, that it may be abrasive in an undesirable way.
@@BoothJunkie what microphone do you recommend for extreme vocals? I see every metal vocalist using SM7Bs so that's the current trend
Me at the start of this video: Oh nooooo I have an MV-7! *panics* 😰
Me at the end of this video: Oh heck yeahhhhh I have an MV-7! *celebrates* 😁
Same
@DriftProYTSF looking at the video it seems to be.
@DriftProYTSF def is
@DriftProYTSF wym it sounds way more muddy
Yay new upload btw you have helped me with my TH-cam streams so much thx
Thanks Harris. SO glad you are on top of this. I was conflicted between each one of these models. Decided to move over to doing a Podcast cause I have a 'Face for Radio'.
"Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated" - the SM7B cosplaying as Mark Twain
I got the SM7B, but I'm also a musician so I know that I'll get good use out of it regardless. The MV7 or the PodMic are still my go to recommendations to anyone depending on the exact circumstance.
how about extreme vocals
Id say the RE20, or RE320 is better than the Mv7 for speaking, and the RE320 is quite a bit cheaper than the MV7. I ordered the MV7 and was super underwhelmed compared to the RE series. It is very popular, and if you do a quick search, mv7 comes up everywhere. Shure is great, and great at marketing. EV isn't as popular, but I feel they straight up make better mics for the price (minus the sm57 and 58 which are killer buys).
@@JunkBondTrader We're talking about completely different microphones though. ElectroVoice microphones don't have USB integration, so the RE320, which on its own costs the same as the MV7, also requires an audio interface. When it comes to microphone recommendations for starting streamers, I'd much rather recommend the things that allow an upgrade path rather than just throwing a shopping list at them. I love my SM7B, there's a reason that they were trying to EQ the other mic's to sound like it in the video, but that's exactly the point, especially for streaking, speaking, and podcasting, EQ can put microphones on a much closer playing field.
Agreed
I bought the SM7B after trying a few other mics, and did so quite early on in my TH-cam journey. It was definitely not a mistake, as I get a lot of compliments on my voice and the quality of it. I’ve been fortunate enough to make enough money on TH-cam, that I was able to afford one with merely 2 weeks worth of TH-cam revenue.
Good choice and good investment
Update, the monitoring on the microphone itself makes the table touches arm bumps sound way worse than they are, although they are still bad. However, I did attach a $20 shock mount marketed to SM7B users, and that helped tremendously. Vibrations aren't coming through in my recordings, despite hearing them in the built in monitoring.
I have the Q9u. This, to me, is a step up from the Q8x I use to use. My 1st mic was the Q2u, and the multi-role aspect plus price was enough for me to get vs. the blue yeti.
can you get the headphone jack in the mic working> ??? I am connecting the mic to an iphone 13pro and works and then stops...I wanted to use it simple not for crazy editing but dont seem to want to be stabble!
@@user-wp8qy6pk9d it might work. Maybe adjust your settings on your phone for your output.
Thanks for those reviews, they are awesome! And your points on the Q9U are 100% correct in my opinion.
I personally COULD work with the Q9U and an EQ as a studio beginner but someone without proper headphones and trained ears to detect the frequencies you have to work with, this is just too much work if you can get the MV7 instead and adjust in 5 minutes, just my 2 cents.
I have the MV7 for voice work, podcasting, and streaming and couldn’t be happier. It’s really nice. Thanks for your honest reviews 😁
i dont fully understand what youre saying every time but i appreciate the nerding out on frequencies and audio in general.
I bought the SM7B about 12 years ago to step up my mic game for recording vocals and music at home and when I decided to start streaming I had no idea it had become the most popular and kind of trendy mic on the bloc. Just a bonus win for me.
Can someone explain what's wrong with me when the unfiltered sound test, i only liked the Q9U?
To me the Q9U sounds like the person is actually here, and the other two sound like his voice is coming from a singular earphone lying on the table few meters away from me?
Harris I have a problem with my Wave 3 I have to many input drives at the volume button at the bottom right of my screen. And why can't I hear any game play with my headset while connected to the Wave 3 headphone input on the back of the device
I ended up canceling my pre order for the Q9U back in September when it got delayed. I'm glad I did. I went with the Rode Pod Mic w/ a foam cover it works great even without any EQ (and because I don't know what I'm doing 😅)
Can’t wait until I can start streaming, thanks for the vids man! :D
What platform are you going to stream on
and what are you waiting for? aaaaaand what are you going to stream? aaaaaaand happy streaming!
@@yeetblitz I’m still not sure yet. Harris said in past videos to stream on twitch and make separate long form content on TH-cam but the way twitch is doing things I might stream on TH-cam instead
@@janphilip192 I don’t have a webcam yet and I would like a second monitor before I start. And ideally a new mic because I have the HyperX solo cast which is a pretty decent mic but it’s really sensitive to vibrations which can get annoying. If I can get a new mic I’ll probably get the Rode pod mic and a GoXLR mini. Mostly Minecraft content probably but there are a lot of other games I like so I may do more variety (Apex legends, CSGO, TF2, Valorant, Rust, Satisfactory, indie titles etc.). Minecraft id my favorite game though so I’ll probably mostly stream that if I can. Do some hypixel streams and maybe start a hardcore world (might be a twitch or TH-cam series haven’t decided yet). Would be nice to be in an SMP with some other creators as well but that’s a lot further down the line once I start to grow my audience
@@linkling5497 oh ok. Also if you upgrade your mic get a ride podmic and a scarlet solo if you are on a single pc. If you need any help I don’t mind helping :)
What equalizer do you use?
Hey! Could you review the PD-70 and recommend a decently priced interface with it?
Would love to see what the results are if the Q9U is far further away. more like an 'overhead' kinda mic. I've the idea it would balance out the EQ response a bit more.
I was waiting for this video for so long 🙏🏿
Yo dude! 2 questions. What if I specifically play in/record a lot of metal and hardcore bands? The reason I've settled on a Shure sm7b is it being the go to mic for recording Metal/Hardcore/"screaming" type vocals AS WELL as being the go-to mic for twitch streaming and podcasting - is this mic going to have that same versatility for me, in that it gets used equally to record bands and record my streams? Cause if not this doesn't even hold a candle to the 7B for my particular use case, although I see how for just streaming this thing is a very nice option. 2nd question HOW are you guys using a reaper Mic EQ in obs? I've been using reaper for years/much longer than I've been streaming, I didn't know I COULD eq my mic for OBS in reaper! Do you have a video on how that works? Thanks for the videos dude!
My main issue with looking for a mic is for work. I am stuck with no ability to add software control of modifications to the mic (and webcam). I kinda of need the best solution that is available out of the box, or with driverless hardware. I do video streaming training facilitation. Currently I use an MXL tempo and logitech c920 through MS Teams. With OBS and my personal PC, I have no issues when streaming, but I need a solution to improve my main work setup (which allows me to buy this stuff) that does not allow any software installation. Any advice or opinions on my situation?
What is an good xlr mic for gaming and ? I'm looking at podmic or the blue ember? Got the Q2U didn't really like it.
have you tried Maono mics?
I've seen reviews where they say is great
Would love to hear what you think!
Like everything in life. Always depends on what you are comfortable with and what you can make work. I made the Røde podmics work while I saved for an earthworks icon pro. You can make anything sound passable if you put the time into knowing your gear.
Can you guys do an EQ setting that makes the mv7 sound like a sm7b :3 or just provide a screenshot like you did for the Q9U
Am i strange if i liked the q9u out of the box the most. I just love the great base for voices. oh and i have my mount on the Wall so.... why not?
I bought a Samson C01U about ten years ago because I thought I would do some music recording as a hobby. Turns out I just started using it for discord calls and streaming but I love it.
Wondering if you ever tested it Harris, would love to hear your and Ryan's thoughts about it
You go on a lot about streaming and setting up streams etc (and I understand it's the basis of the channel lol) but can you apply EQ to a mic to be permanently used when in the likes of discord or zoom?
This is a valuable video for someone who is just starting out. I play Star Citizen with my husband and I was thinking about starting a channel because there aren't many women who play and kinda wanted to make a place from my point of view!
I’d be down to watch that
Dooo it!
Do it
Do it. You won’t!
anyone know what microphone is used primarily to make this video? I'm interested to know what he's using off camera.
I selected the SM7B after doing quite a bit of research, works amazing for both my singing/theater stuff, and my stream.
I bought MV7 because of your original review and have looooved it. Glad to hear more praise for it!
Yay new vid btw you are so helpful for my TH-cam streams
Yup they've upped my game significantly
This is like the third time I've been beginning research into buying something and you manage to inform me with good information. Thanks for being my Guardian Angel of Streaming Harris!
I am new to Audio, but I have a question. How to set up the sound "On the air"? I understand it, if this is a pre-made recording in which you can make minor edits, but when you stream, but without Hardware, how to programmatically pass the sound through the equalizer and transmit everything to the stream?
Well, about the product. Here on TH-cam there are a lot of videos, how to make cheap Mics sound like SM7B. As for a novice user, this is fine for me if I need it purely for a regular Skype / Discord conversation, or for recording vlogs/PodCasts, with subsequent sound settings. And taking a product for $ 200, which I will then tweak for a long time to bring out "Perfect Sound", as an ordinary user, I do not see the point in this. As a professional sound engineer, maybe I would have thought.
But still, as a regular user, I would take the MV7, since as an initial user I need something simple, Plug and Play. That's why the Yeti and MV 7 are just better. You connect and use them. The less detail between me and the final listener, the easier it is for me. I myself recently bought SM7B for myself, and I will tell you honestly, you need to suffer a little with it, since it may require a Preamp because the microphone is "Quiet". So I have to order Cloudlifter or Fethead now. And so, I cut the gain on my Scarlett 2i2 almost to the maximum.
Is the Maona AU-PM422 good? I’m looking for a budget mic bundle and so far this is the best one I could find
I know it might be a longer video but I'm okay with this but can you do a $200-$400 comparison with like blue, rode, shure, and maybe samson xlr microphones. There is so many people i feel with $100 entry mics and a goxlr or something similar that are looking what to get next. I'm have a rode procaster and just not happy with it anymore.
As someone who no experience but who also just bought a Q9U, is there any recommended software to learn how to "EQ" or "boost" with?
So besides the shure sm7b what would be really good options for dynamic mics? For recording/streaming games?
I think the Rode Procaster would be a great alternative for less than half the price of the Shure SM7B.
This microphone has a bass rolloff switch. Why didn't you guys try that?
On the reaper plugin you can set a lot of bands...I have 7 at the moment and I think you can go to at least 10.
Would you review/compare the Trust GXT 258 Fyru USB microphone?
Sir, what does -20DB mean? I have a mic, AKG Perception 420, it has -20DB switch. I am curious what does it do?
I will consider this when I transition to an XLR mic setup. I’ve recently realized that a dynamic mic would be much much better for me but I’m trying to save rn.
I have a Rod PodMic and have this issue with some boom arms where it picks up all the noise from my PC and such. It sucks!
hmmm, what are your thoughts about the re20 black version?
I dont understand what software would you need for usb interface.
Final note - Harris you are just awesome. You just keep me wanting to keep trying to be a better creator.
hi guys! I have issues with the headphones when connected to my iphone to the Samson Q9U. With an adaptor OTG in between the USBC and then to an iphone 13 pro was working totally fine and then stopped. Thought was faulty but bought another new microphone and no luck either! Is like there is not enough power coming from the mic getting from the iphone to use the headphones? totally confused....anyone can help?
Everything was fine and now no way to get it working with:
NEW CABLES
NEW IPHONE
NEW HEADPHONES
NEW ADAPTOR...
What is going on!!!
Harris, have you heard of the PreSonus Revelator? It’s pretty new and it resembles the Wave 3 in a lot of ways at a very similar price...
Knowing how much you like the Elgato Wave series, I think it might be worth checking it out! I have one and really like it!
The Samson Q9U sounds really good if you pair it with the a7ws windscreen (large windscreen for Shure SM7B) and speak at a closer distance. Also, in my case, I have the mic stand mounted to a shelf on the wall behind the monitor, so the shock mount is of no importance. I'd also say whether you think it is too dark sounding etc, is somewhat depending on the person's voice. In my case, I prefer darker sounding mics (probably because my voice is not particularly dark). In the end when I purchased, $200 was about the top I was willing to pay, I also want to use this on my laptop that does not have a XLR interface, most of the time, but like the possibility of using it on my other pc that does have that. The MV7 would be the closer competitor but a bit much, and the MV7X would be about the same, but no USB functionality which would make it tricky for me to use 80% of the time..
Can, you also include the Podmic in the comparison next time as you previously mentioned that it is better than the SM7B
I would love to see what the Ryan could do with a budget usb mic like the Neewer nw-7000 USB.
What software did you use to apply the EQ Guys?
I have the sm7b paired with the goxlr because it’s the only mic I’ve found that I can cancel out my sharp inhaling when I’m in an intense fight without losing sound quality the rest of the time.
What macOS software is ryan using for the eq settings?
Oh I may have several microphones about this that you may have missed 😂
That was honestly the funniest slip ever.
Anyone know what headphones they are using and would it be good for gaming?
So if you don't recommend the SM7B as the best streamer/content creator microphone. Then what Microphone do you recommend?
I jumped from Blue yeti to SE Electronic 2200A MKII C then to the SM7B but the SM7B seems like a lot of work. Using EQ, compression, noise gate to force the SM7B to work seems counterintuitive. I could've done that with any other microphone
Wow been waiting for this thing to come out since september, can't believe its finally here
Can we hear your opinion on the revelator microphone ?
what do you think of mxl 770?
I remember how much I wanted to like the Q9U when they announced it last year but delays ruined that hype. Ended up getting a Rode Podmic (already had an XLR interface so no added cost to me) and really do love that mic. That with a windscreen, a little compression, and slight EQ really milks as much performance out of a $100 dynamic mic as possible to the point where I stopped lusting over the SM7B. If you don’t have an interface or NEED to be able to use a USB mic for your streaming situation (perhaps a travel setup, IRL streams on a secondary setup), by all means the MV7 will serve you better. But think about if you’re going to have one main setup and one main mic (the case for almost all streamers). You can get the Rode Podmic or PreSonus PD70 and an interface under $180 and be able to have so much potential for audio on your streams. Then maybe in the future when you can justify it, you can further invest into a different mic.
How come you didn't include the Rode Pod mic in this? That is also widely used.
what do you think about the mxl bcd-1
would anyone be able to do these eq settings on voicemeter for the Q9U and share it ?
Samson Q9U sounds so good with eq
can you get the modmic 5 sound good using voicemeeter or is it to personal? lol
Hey there! Does the Shure SM7b sound good out of box, or do I need to change a lot of settings to make it sound better than my USB microphone?
Im new at this as well but I’m pretty sure all xlr mic you have to adjust to the way you need it for which is why it’s usually better than usb mics and depending on your audio interface you might need to power it more with a cloud lifter.
HARRIS!!! I strongly suggest you take a look at the Earthworks Icon Pro!! I feel like it would suit your voice very nicely and its extremely elegant!
What is the EQ program you two are using Harris??
As someone who has a higher pitch cartoonish voice I have been struggling to find a mic that really fleshes out those tones. A lot of the mics yall seem to mess with and talk about really bring out the low tones in your voice. anyone have any recommendations for xlr mics that can help me out?
Any thought on Electro-Voice RE 20 or RE 27 for streaming? Pokimane uses RE 20. Great vids!
Hey Harris! Is it possible to give your EQ modifications in a file or on a picture and drop them in your discord? Specifically i wish to have one for each microphone you have, so the people can orient themselvs.
No pressure, only guilt.
So I'm not sure if it was my headphones, but I couldn't hear a difference between the SM7B and the Q9U. I could however hear the brightness of the MV7 that Harris was talking about.
Edit: After the EQ though, The Q9U sounded remotely brighter than the other two mics. And the MV7 and SM7B sounded the same.
I'd like to know about noise rejection with this mic, which no one seems to talk about except Bandrew. I think that's one of the main points of interest for the SM7B. I have a noisy rig with 9 fans and I can't always have RTX voice running if a game has RTX enabled (it seems to mess with RTX if it's on and you're using NVidia broadcast - I'm guessing due to it using the same RTX cores?). The SM7B has great noise rejection, that seems to be a major point.
Hi, Harris… I recently found your TH-cam videos during my microphone research. I’m not a gamer or anything… I’m just on a lot of work Zooms all day. I learned a lot from your all your videos, but I really don’t want the mic visible in my videos. Any advice on placement and which mic would be best further away from my mouth?
look up "shotgun microphone", they're the best at picking up sounds from far away.
Or, you could look into getting a "lapel mic", like they use on the news or panel shows
When I always hear professionals in studio that say never mix on headphones, always do it on pair of studio monitors and I think I agree, listening to headphones while mixing cat benefit in reducing some background noise or noise in the microphone itself but when you listen on headphones and think it sound great, listen to it on any speakers and it would sound different and you would propably not like it. I have that experience
Can you and ryan make a video on showing us how to add the plug ins and adjust the eq. I would love something like that
Harris how do you think this mic compares against the electrovoice re20? I have the re20 but kinda like the way the sm7b looks.
Sam went from an re20 to an SM7b. There was no discernible difference. You’d be buying it entirely for the look.
@@Senpai Thanks for the reply! I knew it would be narrowed down to looks.
is the Samson Q9U compatible with the Go XLR ??
I’m curious to see a SM7B with the wave XLR interface with clipguard tech. That to me is going to be the “buy once cry once” solution.
I just purchased this microphone. As a person with a very deep speaking/broadcaster style voice, this mic sounds tremendous. If you have more of a tenor timbre quality to your voice, then I agree this is not the mic for you. I agree 1000% on the handling noise issue, and I wonder what other shock mount options might be available to correct this issue. I really don't want to use a floor stand.
This is for streamers who has a budget and can who can afford it. Do you mind making a Blue Snowball iCe sound better for streaming(for starter streamer)?
you can add bands to the reque plugin.. like as much as you want. i have 5 on my OBS reque currently cause of isiah lucians tutorials and such.
Are you sure that is mid boost? I think that switch is to lowcut on/off
In head phones I heard a distinct difference post EQ when comparing the mics. SM7B just sonds more buttery, MV7 is second place, all of the EQ on the samson gives it some weird harsh frequencies.
The Samson Q2U (yes, Q2U) is more than enough for anyone streaming on TH-cam or Twitch due to the compression involved. The Q2U is like $50-60 and with some EQ, sounds effectively the same as any quality mic like the SM7b or Q9U if you're ONLY looking to stream games or make YT videos. You can spend the rest of the money on a good quality XLR interface or sound treating the room
Woulda likes to see the Podmic in this comparison and maybe some cheaper mic than that to try to maybe drive home the point about the sm7b not being the best choice for a majority of streamers
Can we talk about 10:33 when he's track-padding the desk?? lmfao?! 😂
I tried two different sets of headphones and could not hear a difference in the first test
Should I get the q2u for a nice budget option or should I go with the razer seiren mini
q2u ofc