the other version has the old man muted a few times when hes speaking. i had to stop watching the other one i came here its better than 1 person being muted
Your performance was inadequate. You are a disgrace to Islam. I have no doubt that leading scholars, such as Abdal Hakim Murad, are quietly embarrassed about public 'intellectuals' like you. You are, in fact, a good advert for Christianity.
Who has all the power??? To be All-Powerful you must posses ALL THE POWER. SO WHO IN THE TRINITY HAS ALL THE POWER? If they share power, then non of them are All-Powerful. You cannot be All-Powerful and share power.
John 17:3 “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”THIS IS TO KNOWING GOD THE FATHER AND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON JESUS CHRIST AND JESUS CHRIST HAS REPRESENTED GOD THE FATHER ON THIS EARTH . JOHN 14 : 8 - 9 GOD THE FATHER SHALL NEVER GIVEN PEOPLE TO BOW DOWN FOR A STONE AND KISS THIS STONE OR BOW AND KISS STATUES ,KISSING CROSS AND DOING RITUALS , THAT IS KNOWING GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST ,THE CALL IS PEOPLE TO AREPENT AND KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS .THAT IS KNOWING JESUS CHRIST ,JESUS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF MANKIND ,AND HAS GIVEN US HIS COMMANDMENTS TO KEEP BECAUSE THAT WAS JESUS LIFE, JOHN 14 : 15 THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS OF OUR GOD AND FATHER WORSHIIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH ,JOHN 4 : 24 , JOHN 1 : 1 - 14 THIS IS KNOWING THE ONE TRUE GOD THE FATHER AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST GOD THE FATHER HAS SENT ,JOHN 3 : 16 - 18
We have to thank brother Hijab for defending the Deen in the biggest plataforms in the world against the biggest debaters of the last century. Hijab, you’re an honor for the ummah.
I agree but the only thing I don't like from him is his shouting. He was great on this debate but his shouting and emotion was nonsense. May Allah take this thing from him. I thought he only use this behavior against the enemies of Islam but this Dr was nice and respectful he shouldn't behave like that
The problem is that you guys are following the teachings of pedophile and rapist. Your bloody Quran says God has a human shape and sits on a chair and is carried by his comrades/angels? How can this bloody guy be God who needs third party help? Throw this shitty god in the garbage? Also. Quran says, Allah is one of the Gods, not sons and only God and Allah is the best deceiver and conniver. Trinity is a concept and it can be interpreted in many ways. So, you reckless and brainless innately violent Muslims, pls turn away from the ideology concocted by a pedophile and rapist.
@@murthe-wise535brother craig is speaking about the Quran and the prophet ﷺ in a trivialising, demeaning manner and subtly showing them as inferior to chrsitianity and you want hijab to be soft with him? Stop being soyboy and be a man like the prophet ﷺ, showing healthy aggresiveness and passion when deemed necessary. Enough "compassion" for the ones hiding malice for us and practice shirk. think about the bigger picture.
@@murthe-wise535 Craig is attacking Islam, trying to convince people out of Islam, what else would you expect. Keep it up Hijab, May Allah SWT increase you in your Izzah. Indeed all honour is for Allah, and if you seek honour from anything except from Islam you will be humiliated. There is nothing wrong in being honoured. As Allah SWT says in Maidah 54: O believers! Whoever among you abandons their faith, Allah will replace them with others who love Him and are loved by Him. They will be humble with the believers but firm/honored towards the disbelievers, struggling in the Way of Allah; fearing no blame from anyone.
"Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as disposer of affairs" ~The Quran (4:171)
Muslims I pray you find Yeshua. We love you all. You saw today that the Trinity makes sense. Hijab pretended to not understand the flame analogy and was unable to debunk the trinity. Compare the Trinity to Tahweed and Allahs oneness. There is no way that Allah as described in the Quran created the universe. Lets discuss why Hijab knew not to talk about who and what Allah is. He mentioned Surah Al-Mu'minun - 91-101 "Allah has never had any offspring, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what he created, and they would have tried to dominate one another. Glorified is Allah above what they claim!" Lets address who Allah says he is metaphysically and how the connection between the divine and creation in Islam is problematic: God is simple and one - By rejecting the trinity, how does a simple, unitary God manifest in multiple forms or attributes without compromising His unity? I.e Allahs word. Is his word a part of him or distinct from him? I.e does Allah have parts or is islam polytheism? Allah is transcandent and operating outside of creation. - How does Allah be transcendent and interact with the world without compromising his oneness? Christianity accounts for this. Allah can't because he is very clear that he is too magnificent to operate in creation. Sunnis even give him a location as outside of creation, above the seven heavens and above his throne. Which doesnt make sense either. Allah is unlike anything in creation. He is unique in the universe. - There is nothing like Allah but he is decribed using terms such as just, powerful and merciful. These same terms are used to describe other created beings like his prophets. How does that even make sense? Allah is like his creations? Allah is very clear about who he is. The above points can not be dismissed. There is no way that Allah created the universe, because it isnt logical for a being with his self described properties to have done so Compare this to the trinity. The Triune God is immanent and involved in our world, but transcendent all at once. This balance makes sense in the trinity, but is impossible in Tahweed. God is a single divine essence existing in three distinct persons: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons are co-equal and co-eternal, sharing a single divine nature. The eternal love between the Father and the Son is the source of all creation. The Holy Spirit proceeds from this love and is involved in the creation of the universe. This same love is why the son took on flesh and became fully man for the forgiveness of our sins. There is a logical link between the divine and creation; and this link is love Christ is our Lord and redeemer and he loves you Muslims ❤️
@YeshuaIsLord7777 Well, first of all, welcome. I hope you are well. I did not understand some of what you said, but you talked about the attributes of God, such as strength, and you say that God described them in that way. Well, if I asked you, does Jesus love you, you would say yes, and if I asked you, do you love him according to your belief, would you say that you are a god because you possess the quality of love? No, I can talk about the dilemma you mentioned for hours, and since you mentioned this argument, thank you because you will help me a lot. Matter, time, and place who is affected by the three things. This is not God, Jesus peace be upon him, was affected by the elements according to the reason you mentioned. We will all be affected by the three elements What you mentioned, we are all creatures affected by the three elements. Therefore, we are all lords. O man, one god, and he used to send messengers. Notice, there are not different religions, just different laws. The divine project on earth for man is to worship him and do justice in human society. And why did Jesus die for a sin that I committed? Imagine that your grandfather killed my grandfather and I will kill you. If you ask me why, I will tell you that your grandfather killed my grandfather, is this reasonable? Why should anyone else bear what I did? I think you are following your own whims, my friend
@Skunkus_Munkus Hey, please explain for me the following. Educate me. I will take silence as you being unable to answer: 1. Divine Attributes and Unity: If Allah is absolutely one, how can He possess multiple attributes, such as being just, merciful, and powerful? Doesn't this imply a certain level of differentiation within His nature? 2. Transcendence and Interaction: If Allah is transcendent and beyond the world, how can He interact with and influence creation without compromising His absolute oneness? Doesn't this suggest a certain level of immanence or involvement? 3. Divine Uniqueness and Human Attributes: If Allah is truly unique and incomparable to anything in creation, how can He be described using terms that are commonly associated with human beings? Doesn't this suggest a certain level of similarity between Allah and His creation?
I'm sorry but Dr. William Lane Craig is supposed to be the most intellectual Christian, but he gave the analogy of God (trinity) being a 3 headed dog 😭😭 Auzubillah
With all due respect to Dr Craig, a very respectful & respected man.. If he's the best representative of Christianity today .. we can see why this religion is disappearing
I think many things he defends his religion quite well especially wit atheists but the main doctrine of trinity of his against muslims, he will fail like he did hear
William Craig isn’t the best representation for us, just because your daddy hijab says so doesn’t mean it’s true he’s only doing that to make points for himself, there are better people like James white for topics like these who hijab never debated, he literally got destroyed at a park once by a African Christian on this topic 😂, plus there are 2.9 billion Christians in the world, America isn’t the whole world.
Assalamu alikum. What you said is perfect, and I'm sorry to change the topic. Ismael the first from "safavid dynasty" did the same. Ismael was so impressed by his father's side grandparents who were Romans. He learnt how they changed the teaching of Isa alihiSalam and made Christianity. Ismael forced Iranian to 12 imamath and added many persian paganism in shiaism
@efdawahfan I only said Hamza said different, isn't he Muslim. He said nobody won , and no one proved there point . I have no say in this race I'm not Christian or Muslim . To be honest I rather hear preaching then an argument that leads to no where . It's a waste of time . Just becuase you raise your voice does not mean you are quote on quote winning an argument.
muhammad is a racist, PDF file, child grapist, wife beater, kidnapper, torturer, enslaver, s3x slaver, murderer, terrorist and orders his followers to do the same to all non-muslims. Verify for yourself in the quran and hadiths. Condemn the evil anti-christ. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
@@moe5337 says someone that calls people an atheist because they refute the Quranic bullshit written by a dictator acting as God 😹 your god is an evil soul that will send good kind people to hellfire because they don't choose Islam🤣and you call this God merciful..FFS
*Timestamps:* 00:00 - Background of the Speakers 01:47 - Today's Topic & Format of the Debate 02:18 - Dr. Craig's Opening Statement 06:17 - Br. Hijab's Opening Statement: Critique of Dr. Craig's remarks 12:03 - Critique of Dr. William Lane Craig's representation of social trinitarianism 17:51 - Discussion on the coherence of the Nicene Creed 23:17 - Discourse on the incoherence of Trinity 29:43 - Questioning the impossibility of disagreement in the Trinity 35:39 - Discussion about the nature of God as a Tri-personal being 41:19 - Explanation of causal overdetermination in relation to the Trinity's role in creation 47:18 - Discussion on the roles of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. 52:26 - Discussion on the Trinity's comparison to a cat's skeleton 58:20 - Logical inconsistencies & polytheistic implications in the Trinity
As a formal Christian, my main issue here is one that I haven't hear no body identified. Why if God had a son and the God was in the son and the spirit was Him within the spirit. 3 in 1, since the beginning of times, why did God never claimed that on the Old Testament or on the Torah? I left Christianity because the bible is NOT a book FROM Jesus. The bible is a book about what people wanted to put about Jesus. Jesus never preached what Saul/Paul preached. While researching the bible, it seems like Paul goes against what Jesus preached. I'm convinced Paul (that made part of the New Testament) was the wolf dressed with sheep clothing that Jesus warned us about. Christianity is not a religion FROM Jesus!
Jesus constantly affirmed the ONENESS of God which means God is ABSOLUTE ONE not Trinity. Jesus proclaimed his version of the Muslim shahada:- John 17.3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. The first part affirms the ONENESS OF GOD whom he called ELAH (ALLAH). The 2nd part affirms that he was His messenger sent by God to guide ONLY his own people - the lost sheep of Israel. Gentiles with pagan mindset are dogs, swine to him and are not fit to be given the pearls from his hands.
@cheicknacamara651 muhammad is a racist, PDF file, child grapist, wife beater, kidnapper, torturer, enslaver, s3x slaver, murderer, terrorist and orders his followers to do the same to all non-muslims. Verify for yourself in the quran and hadiths. Condemn the evil anti-christ. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
😂😂 hijab is lost his arguments are inconsistent with the doctrine saying things like “wills” as if we believe there are more than one will. Also this was moderated horribly, they would give hijab extra time especially in the minute 23:50 where they gave the guy like 40 more seconds after time was up. But what can you expect when this debate is being held by Muslims, I won’t even be surprised if my comment gets deleted as well, fyi hijab you deleting my comment proves my point.
@@MFina-mi9ii 1. Stop crying about time, you know you wouldn't be able to defend 1+1+1=1 even if you had a century. 2. The debate is hosted by Cameron Bertuzzi, a known chrsitian polemic against islam. It takes time to process such a massive, historical blunder and defeat, you'll get there.
@@a4482921 muhammad is a racist, PDF file, child grapist, wife beater, kidnapper, torturer, enslaver, s3x slaver, murderer, terrorist and orders his followers to do the same to all non-muslims. Verify for yourself in the quran and hadiths. Condemn the evil anti-christ. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
@@samuelrigaud6595 what ?? man they all liberals man there is no more christianity they all fornicate and adultary ...they know ....thery know christianity makes no sense ...they only celebrate christmass halloween and thanksgiving...thats it !!!!...its over !! finito finished...it had its best time and is dwindling.
Mashallah the champ once again completely knocked the opponent. Alhamdulillah that we Muslim has a guy like Muhammad Hijab, who's truly a blessing of Allah... بارك الله في علمك وعملك و مالك وأولادك... جزاك الله خيرا احسن الجزاء في الدنيا والآخرة.
@@elyonxx muhammad is a racist, PDF file, child grapist, wife beater, kidnapper, torturer, enslaver, s3x slaver, murderer, terrorist and orders his followers to do the same to all non-muslims. Verify for yourself in the quran and hadiths. Condemn the evil anti-christ. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
Although brother Hijab was a bit aggressive with WLC I think he won the debate easily. I think even many Christians will agree to this. May Allah SWT guide WLC and other christians to islam.
Nope, not at all. I mean I will agree that he was aggressive, and that was unfortunate. But he didn't prove anything other than he doesn't understand what Trinitarian view really is. He argued against strawmen and spent more time attacking Dr. Craig than engaging him. it was just bad.
I'm sorry I am also Muslim but this is not always true. WLC is clearly an intelligent person. There's other factors at play. I think subconsciously most Christians don't practice their faith because deep down they know it doesn't make sense. It also doesn't help there isn't really much in the way of objective ways to practice their faith that can be traced back to who they call "Jesus"
Pray that Muslims stop doing what Muhammad taught. Here are some teachings of Islam that are not acceptable. Jami at-Tirmidhi 1606 Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab: That the Messenger of Allah (saws) said: "If I live - if Allah wills - I will expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula." Sahih Muslim 1745 b It is narrated by Sa'b b. Jaththama that he said (to the Holy Prophet): Messenger of Allah, we k!11 the children of the polytheists during the night raids. He said: They are from them. Sahih al-Bukhari 2926 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (#) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so k!11 him."
World famous author, Leo Tolstoy said: “Muhammad has always been standing higher than the Christianity. He does not consider god as a human being and never makes himself equal to God. Muslims worship nothing except God and Muhammad is his Messenger. There is no any mystery and secret in it. The law of the Qur’an will prevail in the world because it agrees with reason and wisdom. I have come to understand that humanity needs only a Divine law to establish the truth and destroy falsehood. Islamic law will encompass the entire world because it is consistent with reason and agrees with wisdom and justice.”
except that's not something Tolstoy actually said, it's a very poor translation of the following: "As far as the preference of Mohammedanism to Orthodoxy is concerned, I can fully sympathize with such conversion. To say this might be strange for me who values the Christian ideals and the teaching of Christ in their pure sense more that anything else, I do not doubt that Islam in its outer form stands higher than the Orthodox Church. Therefore, if a person is given only two choices: to adhere to the Orthodox Church or Islam, any sensible person will not hesitate about his choice, and anyone will prefer Islam with its acceptance of one tenet, single God and His Prophet instead such complex and incomprehensible things in theology as the Trinity, redemption, sacraments, the saints and their images, and complicated services." It should also be pointed out, that this is more of a dig on Orthodoxy and not a preference to Islam. Tolstoy was a fairly radical Christian anarchist, and didn't favor the liturgical or magisterial offices of the Church. His understanding of Islam was also based on Ahmadiyya's, and as such was a very poor representation of Islam). If I was a Muslim, I would probably not quote someone who basically thought Islam was better because it was made for simpletons.
@@FirstnameLastname-qz9fr Tolstoy's view on Islam was not based on Ahmadiyya heretical sect what are you talking about? Tolstoy spent some time living in Kazan a Tatar region where only Sunni Muslims live most belonging to Hanafi school of jurisprudence of Islam. His understanding of Islam was based on Sunni Islam the traditional Islam which was and still is the most common sect of Islam in Russia, Eastern Europe, Central Asia and Western Europe (Islamic Spain) for many years. Ahmadiyya sect started in India and apart from India and Pakistan is not very well known in any other parts of the world except by immigrants from those countries besides the group was founded in 1889 whereas Tolstoy was born in September 9, 1828, Yasnaya Polyana, Yasnaya Polyana, Russia and Died: November 20, 1910. He wouldn't even have enough time before his death to even discover or know what Ahmadiyya was where did you even get that false information from?
I have been following reasonable faith for a while now. And in any video that gets posted by them concerning Muslims, I would debunk them in comments. Dr. William never responded but other christians tried to debate but always failed miserably. And with all honesty, Dr. William Lane Craig is one of the easiest people to debate in the whole world. And if this is the top evangelist that Christianity has to offer then Alhamdullillah, Christianity is done for.
It is evident from Islamic literature that Muhammed was a false prophet and so Islam is false. Seek the truth: the Jesus Christ of the Bible. If you find him and you stay with him, you shall live forever. Those who have not the Christ of the Bible are slaves to sin, death, and destruction.
Its actually astounding 🤦🏾 if you read the comments on the capturing Christianity channel, they actually think Craig won 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾 the level of cope from these Christians is incredible lol
Ikr. And even though I'm Muslim I'm not biased when it comes to debates. I will acknowledge when a Muslim loses a debate. Hijab had him on every point. Very weak performance from WLC.
@@EzziiG they are bots and they spam comments like islam L etc to make fools who dont want to watch the debate and read comments instead or are just plain stupid get influenced by those comments. We have to counter it by going there and doing our due dilligence.
Brother Mohammed, once again I am impressed, I already thought I got to know your style pretty well, but you always bring new positively surprising elements to your debates and never fail to deliver fundamentals in arguments you make, hence why they will never fail even if you make a small mistake from time to time which happens to the best of us. 100% spot on, thank you for not only defending Islam, but for dismantling other incoherent belief systems which were asking for their dismantling ever since their creation, with Islam.
This was very one sided. There really is no defending the incoherence of the Trinity. I find it incredibly pathetic that the latest strategy is to appeal to differences of opinion/ijtihad on God's attributes in Islam. There is no equivalence between this and the polytheism of the Trinity Good job brother hijab Respect to William Lane Craig for his demeanor. May Allah guide him and us to the path most pleasing to Him
God -who He is- is not bound by your intellectual understanding of Him. Just because you have difficulty grasping the concept of the Trinity, doesn't mean that God does not exist as a Trinity. He isn't bound by your ability to understand Him.
You are a body, soul, and spirit. Three parts. How many people are you? One. Your body, soul and spirit are uniquely you, but you're not three separate people. You yourself, created in God's image as the Bible says, are a reflection of His Triunity.
@@YeshuaLastWeapon When your spirit separates from your physical body, and you're experiencing consciousness from your spiritual body instead of your physical, will you still be you or will you be somebody else? I think the error Christians make when they defend the Trinity is that they try to describe God's oneness as something other than a unified whole. God is 3 persons, but they are one in unity and essence. That is the sense of their oneness. The one God of the Bible can not be measured by the standard of Tawheed because He is not one in the way that Muslims understand it. He is one, but not one in person. Think about a family. You have a Father, Mother and child. How many people is that? Three. But if I asked how many families is that? The answer is one. They are one family, 3 persons. In a similar way, God is 3 persons but one God. They are a unified whole.
Just looked at the comment section of the other Chanel this was uploaded and literally all of them are coping right now without debunking one thing MH said 😂 This is the ace of Christian debaters btw
@@Nitaijonjoedasaobjectively William lane Craig is a low tier Christian apologists when it comes to trinity. He didn’t even represent well compared to other Christian apologists
Try to be honest, modest and accurate in your proclamations... This kind of triggering language will act as a natural barrier towards others embracing İslam.
Ok accurately Hijab decimated the Christian faith .. with help from Billy .. no consensus of trinity , godhead anything . No reply to the arguments Hijab poses … sorry mate .. facts are facts .. finally Billy going against all of Christianity that there is no eternal begotten son in the beginning . What else to say 👍👍👍
@Golden_Scholar muhammad is a racist, PDF file, child grapist, wife beater, kidnapper, torturer, enslaver, s3x slaver, murderer, terrorist and orders his followers to do the same to all non-muslims. Verify for yourself in the quran and hadiths. Condemn the evil anti-christ. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
Genius intellectual tactical play by MH, used WLC to attack mainstream Christianity, and WLC was eager to oblige, then went ahead to decimate WLC's own trinity model 😅
There is no God but God (Allah) and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Dr William is a very likeable individual. I thank you all for making this discussion possible. You couldn’t explain it to a 5 year old could you, all this trinity doghead godhead Siamese triplet stuff. The truth is simple- God is One. He alone is worthy of worship. Praise be to The Almighty, The One and Only God. The Eternal.
When you have the absolute truth, you always have full confidence to deliver your message without mixing jeibrish. Allahamdullilha, for the pure way of life Al-Islam that I have been granted by my suprem creator Allah.
@adrianpapibuilder Absolutely without any doubt whether you believe it or not. You have a right whatever you want to believe in, but there is only one absolute truth. May the supreme creator Almighty Allah keep us on the straight path and protect us from our whims and desires as well as our egocentric and arrogance behaviors.
An absolute annihilation! Christian got flamed and then switched to preacher mode when couldn't handle it lol. Much love and respect to brother Hijab 🙌🏻🙌🏻🫡
@@TRENDING-TWISTS muhammad is a racist, PDF file, child grapist, wife beater, kidnapper, torturer, enslaver, s3x slaver, murderer, terrorist and orders his followers to do the same to all non-muslims. Verify for yourself in the quran and hadiths. Condemn the evil anti-christ. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
A majority or authority vote doesn't dictate truth. It could show immense truth or immense falsehood. And as Muslims we are proud of our monotheism. And you hope you submit to Allah/God. And stop worshipping a confusing, illogical, inunderstandable, doubtable construction of 3 Gods and 1 God, both being the same in being.
I agree, mo hijab truly destroyed him. I have higher expectations for William to atleast adress his argument about how the father or the son or the spirit can create the universe fully by itself.
@juniormunoz6157 you do realise William Craig was on the defensive and all he could answer on his personal limited subjective (let alone heretic) view of chirstianity was to basically say that he thinks there is 'no good reason not to accept that its a reasonable conclusion', paraphrasing, than to actually give justification for his views which he failed to. How on earth did he do a good job? Lol coz he thinks there is good historic evidence for crucifiction of Jesus? That's his best argument? Or was it his special animal analogies onto God. And that's what you're here defending? Lol
God doesn't need to kill himself to forgive our sins. God forgives all our sins above His blessed Throne. Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “When a Muslim or a believer washes his face in ablution, every sin that he committed with his eyes will be washed away with the last drop of water. When he washes his hands, every sin that he committed with his hands will be washed away with the last drop of water. When he washes his feet, every sin that he committed with his feet will be washed away with the last drop of water, until he emerges purified from sin.” Sahih Muslim 244
@iberplayz9849 Allah is the All-Forgiving. Even Ezekiel 18:20-22 says God would forgive past sins if one turns away from his sins. We don't need pagan human sacrifice.
@@JesusIsWithYouNowPrayToHim Allah forgives our sins when we repent to him. We Muslims and Jews don't believe in pagan human sacrifice. Christianity was created by the white man.
Respect to islam. From a Christian but I am genuinely shocked that people thought WLC lost this debate, even the consensus from atheists was, the debate was won by WLC Hijab just shouted and the candle analogy absolutely blew my mind with ignorance, seriously volume doesn’t equal it being right.
Even the bible does not endorse the trinity John 17 3 Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” The trinity literally destroys Christianity. Christians should just move on to the original model of god the father being the greatest: jesus and the holy spirit as his subordinates that makes way more sense
@@JesusIsWithYouNowPrayToHim read verse 4 too for that I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. it says the same thing in verse 4 that Jesus finished the work of the father. If God the father, the ghost and the son were all co-equal jesus should have referred to the holy ghost as well. And he is asking the father again to glorify him meaning the father possess the ultimate power and i.e trinity is incoherent. Passing glory can mean anything maybe some sort of rank that jesus had in the heavens same thing matthew 24:36 But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father. Again where is the holy ghost. He should have mentioned to keep the trinity in place. And jesus being god should have also known this right ? cause he was god in human flesh.
@@Cine95 The Bible is true because it speaks of people like you!!! You ask Spiritual questions but you are not a Spiritual man that is why you can't understand the Spiritual things!! When Jesus says Father Glorify me (Son) and your problem is He is not including the Holy Spirit I the conversation you are truly lost, YOU DONT KNOW THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, IN CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM, YOU CANT PRAY TO GOD WITHOUT THE SPIRIT OF GOD INFLUENCING YOU!!!! So the mere fact Jesus , the Son speaks with the Father, all of this is done through the Holy Spirit, so you claim that the Trinity is incoherent fails!!! Like other uninformed Muslims would say why don't you pray to the Holy Spirit but only to the Father and Son, these Muslims don't know that the only way you can pray to the Father and Son is *through the Holy Spirit* so you are greatly mistaken!! Now you say maybe Jesus had some rank while he was in Heaven??? What?? So you as a Muslim admit Jesus is uncreated??? You are lost man, first when Jesus said l have finished the work, he was referring to what was to come, i.e his death that is why on the cross He said, *It is Finished* and When Jesus says He wants the Father to give him the Glory He had what does that mean?? Which other Prophet had Glory??? Is Glory not only for God?? So this teaches that Jesus is claiming to be God but you just quote it as if it's nothing!!! Okay for the passage of God the Father only know the hour l would like you to go read *Phillipians 2:5-11* it will tell you why Jesus did not know the hour whiel He was here on Earth!!!
It blows my mind that the Christian’s and atheists here actually think William Craig did a good job 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Hijab literally used Craig’s own books and logic against him and Craig had no leg to stand on. This is embarrassing, actually ridiculous 😂 Hijab did a great job. But I’m surprised, that Hijab didn’t use biblical verses. Like if Craig is saying they are all equal and they all created the universe together means they have the same will, but when Jesus according to the bible was begging the father to take the cup away not by his will but the fathers will and when he was on the cross screaming why have you forsaken me, shows they have different wills and not always do they agree, and shows the father has the stronger will if Jesus couldn’t take himself off the cross.
@@Nitaijonjoedasa WLC failed to prove how 3 Gods have the same will. if he says there nature is the same he is implying that One is bound to Think like the other implying that God is bound by other factors[ lack of freewill ].
Would you like to discuss one of the points in the debate, when the topic of the Trinity was discussed, and not personally Dr. Craig (to be fair, Dr. Craig does hold to heretical views) that you believe Hijab prevailed on? Pick the one you are most confident in discussing, if you choose to engage. Also, provide a timestamp, for anyone who would like to follow the discussion.
John 17:3 “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”THIS IS TO KNOWING GOD THE FATHER AND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON JESUS CHRIST AND JESUS CHRIST HAS REPRESENTED GOD THE FATHER ON THIS EARTH . JOHN 14 : 8 - 9 GOD THE FATHER SHALL NEVER GIVEN PEOPLE TO BOW DOWN FOR A STONE AND KISS THIS STONE OR BOW AND KISS STATUES ,KISSING CROSS AND DOING RITUALS , THAT IS KNOWING GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST ,THE CALL IS PEOPLE TO AREPENT AND KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS .THAT IS KNOWING JESUS CHRIST ,JESUS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF MANKIND ,AND HAS GIVEN US HIS COMMANDMENTS TO KEEP BECAUSE THAT WAS JESUS LIFE, JOHN 14 : 15 THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS OF OUR GOD AND FATHER WORSHIIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH ,JOHN 4 : 24 , JOHN 1 : 1 - 14 THIS IS KNOWING THE ONE TRUE GOD THE FATHER AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST GOD THE FATHER HAS SENT ,JOHN 3 : 16 - 18
Islam is a threat to humanity. There are plenty of muslims countries. If you are not in one of them already, please go and live there and let the rest of the world in peace. All you guys want to do is setting obsolete, cruel, and barbaric rules to live under. Live by them in your piece of land and let the west, china and japan and all non-Muslim countries in peace
How can God have two right arms how can God appoint a pedophile to be a prophet How can God switch bodies of Christ on the cross and replace him with a man with no name or record of it’s existence and lastly how can God replace His covenant with the same people who enslaved His lost sheep debate Muslims and moors plus Catholics because you’re all the same 😂
Qur'an 109:1-6. 1. Say, "O disbelievers, 2. I do not worship what you worship 3. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. 4. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. 5. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. 6. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
you can ask him this Bring me one theological and reasonable excuse to why the son and the holy spirit co exist while they won't differ with the father and at the same time the father is capable of creating the universe by himself as he said ?
Trinity is ancient paganism. Egyptian Trinity Father Osiris, mother Isis and son Horus Hindu Trinity Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva Christian Trinity Father, son Jesus and Holy Spirit "If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians . . . was changed, by the Church of Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief." Edward Gibbon's History of Christianity.
Pagan roots? That's really surprising: Have a look at this. I don't think he has done his homework on the roots of Islam or he conveniently forgot about it. Did you know that Ishmael forsook the God of his forefathers? ITEM #26 WILL SHOCK YOU: (1). Does the Qur'an define the word "Allah"? No. (2). Was the name "Allah" revealed for the first time in the Qur'an? No (3). Does the Qur'an assume that its readers have already heard of "Allah"? Yes (4). Should we look into pre-Islamic Arabian history to see who "Allah" was before Muhammad? Yes. (5). According to Muslim tradition, was Muhammad born into a Christian family and tribe? No (6). Was he born into a Jewish family or tribe? No (7). What religion was his family and tribe? Pagans (8). What was the name of his pagan father? Abdullah (Abd + Allah) (9). Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? Yes (10). Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes (11). Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes (12). Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes (13). Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes (14). What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah. (15. Was the title "al-ilah" (the god) used of the Moon-god? Yes (16). Was the word "Allah" derived from "al- ilah?" Yes (17). Was the pagan "Allah" a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes. (18). Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes. (19). Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes Video will play (20). Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes. (21). At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes. (22). Was the Kabah thus the "house of the Moon-god"? Yes. (23). Did the name "Allah" eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes. (24). Did they call the Kabah the "house of Allah"? Yes (25). Did the pagans develop religious rites in connection with the worship of their gods? Yes. (26). Did the pagans practice the Pilgrimage, the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out the nose, praying several times day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc.? Yes. (27). Did Muhammad command his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca? Yes (Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78). (28). Did Islam go on to adopt these pagan religious rites? Yes. (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80). (29). Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called "the daughters of Allah"? Yes. (30). Did the Qur'an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20. (31). Have those verses been "abrogated" out of the present Qur'an? Yes. (32). What were they called? "The Satanic Verses." Yes. (33). Was the crescent moon an ancient pagan symbol of the Moon-god throughout the ancient world? Yes. (34). Was it the religious symbol of the Moon-god in Arabia? Yes (35). Were stars also used as pagan symbols of the daughers of Allah? Yes Did the Jews or the Christians of Arabia use the crescent moon with several stars next to it as symbols of their faith? No (36). Did Islam adopt the pagan crescent moon and stars as it religious symbol? Yes. (37). As Islam developed over the centuries, did it adopt pagan names, pagan ceremonies, pagan temples and pagan symbols? Yes (38). Is it possible that most Muslims do not know the pagan sources of the symbols and rites of their own religion? Yes. (39). Are they shocked to find out the true sources of their ceremonies and stories? Yes (40). Can Islam be the religion of Abraham if it is derived from paganism? No (41). What then is Islam? A modern version of one of the ancient fertility cults. (42). Is the "Allah" of the Qur'an, the Christian God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? No
Dr William Lane Craig was just all over the place and one could easily see his lack of conviction and incoherence. His unconventional and "heretic" views on the concept of trinity exhibit his confusion on the matter. Great job brother Muhammad Hijab. 👍
Christianity was finally ended today, today is the day of history, the best and most intellectual christian academic of the last century was completely defeated. If a christian even after this persists in his beliefs and doesn't sincerely want to look into islam, then you have noone but yourself to blame for hell.
@@samuelrigaud6595ya okay but didn’t you know that most of your ancestors did the same if not worse? Oh no😮 bust your bubble there hey? In fact if you went back a thousand years and told your ancestors what they did was disgusting they would just laugh at you. It was a norm. Life expectancy those times was extremely low due to diseases etc so women married as young as possible and had as many children as possible.
@@samuelrigaud6595 then you don't know anything, if you were a sincere believer you will look at the refutation for that and full context and explanation from the muslim side, but you aren't sincere, you're afraid of the truth, you wanna bury it. You will be asked by God why you didn't educate yourself. Prepare yourself.
@@samuelrigaud6595If you believe in Aisha marrying Muhammad (pbuh) because of the hadith, you must be intellectually consistent and accept other hadiths too from the same source. Like where he split the moon (through the permission of Allah) and gave hundreds of people to drink water and predicted the future etc.
While the debate styles of Mohammed Hijab and Dr. Craig are quite different, Hijab raises some strong philosophical and theological points that deserve attention: 1. Inhibitions within the Trinity: This argument hinges on the idea that if each person of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is fully capable of creating the universe independently, as Dr Craig's claimed, then the need for other persons would imply a limitation or inhibition on each individual’s power. This challenges the concept of omnipotence. If their powers are dependent on each other, Hijab argues that this compromises their status as fully divine. 2. Responsibility for Creation: Hijab points out a logical issue with the idea that all three persons of the Trinity can be 100% responsible for creation. The point about the inability of the Trinity to be 100% responsible for creation raises a logical problem for Dr. Craig's model. Hijab likens this to the problem of multiple mothers giving birth to the same child or the candle lighting analogy, suggesting that each person in the Trinity would either need to have a divisible share (e.g., 33% each) or contribute fully in a way that leads to logical contradictions. Hijab critiques Craig’s attempt to avoid such a division of responsibility as incoherent. 3. Blasphemy and Mainstream Christian Doctrine: Hijab’s third point involves showing that Dr. Craig’s views are not aligned with mainstream Christian theology, suggesting that even Christian scholars critique his interpretation of the Trinity. By citing Christian sources, Hijab shifts the burden of proof to Craig to defend his position not just against Islamic objections but also within the Christian theological tradition. Overall, while Dr. Craig’s calm and methodical style might appeal to some, Hijab’s arguments are philosophically and theologically solid and were not fully addressed in the debate.
Another significant point in the debate between Dr. William Lane Craig and Muhammad Hijab was Dr. Craig's attempt to draw a parallel between the concept of Tawheed in Islam and the Trinity in Christianity. Dr. Craig tried to argue that Islam faces similar challenges in understanding the attributes of God, just as Christians do with the Trinity. However, Hijab responded by clarifying that this comparison is not reasonable due to the distinct nature of the 'whoness' and 'whatness' of God in Islam. Hijab explained that the 'whoness' of God, which refers to His oneness, is the essence of Tawheed. Muslims, regardless of their sects or groups, all believe in the absolute oneness of God-He was neither begotten nor does He beget, and nothing is like Him (as stated in Surah Al-Ikhlas). Since Dr. Craig's question involved the 'whoness' of God, it is not comparable to the concept of the Trinity, which also concerns the 'whoness' of God but in a different theological framework. When it comes to the 'whatness' of God, i.e., His attributes, Hijab argued that this becomes irrelevant to the discussion, as it does not relate to the nature of the Trinity since also the topic of the verse was directed to Mary. Another notable point in the debate was Dr. Craig’s agreement with the reasoning in Islam that rejects the concept of the second person of the Trinity (the Son) being begotten. Unfortunately, from the beginning of the debate, Dr. Craig seemed to diverge from the main topic by focusing on two points: 1. Misinterpretation of the Quranic Verse: Dr. Craig claimed that Hijab misunderstood the doctrine of the Trinity by referencing a Quranic verse. Hijab countered by explaining that the verse in question (where God asks Jesus if he told people to take himself and his mother as deities besides Allah) does not address the Trinity at all. The use of the term "two gods" (إلهين) makes it clear that the verse is not related to the concept of the Trinity, which involves three persons. 2. Diversion to Tawheed: From the outset, Dr. Craig seemed to divert the discussion to the topic of Tawheed, which indicated his reluctance to address the core issue of the Trinity in detail.
They1 say, “The Most Compassionate has offspring.” You have certainly made an outrageous claim, by which the heavens are about to burst, the earth to split apart, and the mountains to crumble to pieces. Astagfirallah may allah keep us on our deen
You know someone has lost the argument when they start going ad hominem. The Mojab goes ad hominem from the outset. He knows it’s a debate he can’t win, so he attacks his interlocutor. Wm Lane Craig has it in the bag from the outset.
If each person in the trinity must have the same will as each other that means the singular person dose not actually constitutes free will because its inhibited always by the other two persons.
Another way to to refute Trinitarians is to ask them "if Jesus is god, then why is the Lord's prayer addressed only to the Father and not to to the son?" Its like as if Jesus is not want to be prayed or worshipped to.
The Jewish scribes were waiting for three people to come after John. John 1:19-21. 19. And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20. And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. Then in verse 25, they question John again: John 1:25. And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? They clearly knew three distinct people were prophesied to come. 1. John denied being 'Christ', which was obviously Jesus. 2. John denied being 'Elias', which was Elijah. 3. John then denied beings the 'prophet', which was Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). The Prophet like Moses: Deuteronomy 18:18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. John 16:13. John 16:13. ... for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
When one employs logic and Rationale to identify the basic attributes of God, there is no way that they would come to a conclusion of more than one being, being God.
1 CORINTHIANS 2:11-16 11 For who among men knows the depths of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the depths of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the depths graciously given to us by God, 13 of which depths we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual depths with spiritual words. 14 But a natural man does not accept the depths of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he can not understand them, because they are spiritually examined. 15 But he who is spiritual examines all things, yet he himself is examined by no one. 16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will direct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.
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@@MohammedHijab God of Bible crucified himself again after watching this debate 😢🥲
Completely dismantled him, more power to M Hijab❤❤❤
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Your performance was inadequate. You are a disgrace to Islam. I have no doubt that leading scholars, such as Abdal Hakim Murad, are quietly embarrassed about public 'intellectuals' like you. You are, in fact, a good advert for Christianity.
Excellent job. Mā-shā-a-Allāh. May Allah accept it from you Mohammed!
Hamza you destroyed Krauss and Hijab decapitated Craig. Nice combo!
Aaameeen
اللهم آمين
What did hijab actually do in this debate WLC was on trial here not the Trinity 😂😂 nobody won
Excellent job? Did you not watch the debate? Mr Hijab was absolutely clueless.
Who has all the power??? To be All-Powerful you must posses ALL THE POWER.
SO WHO IN THE TRINITY HAS ALL THE POWER? If they share power, then non of them are All-Powerful.
You cannot be All-Powerful and share power.
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John 17:3
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”THIS IS TO KNOWING GOD THE FATHER AND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON JESUS CHRIST AND JESUS CHRIST HAS REPRESENTED GOD THE FATHER ON THIS EARTH . JOHN 14 : 8 - 9 GOD THE FATHER SHALL NEVER GIVEN PEOPLE TO BOW DOWN FOR A STONE AND KISS THIS STONE OR BOW AND KISS STATUES ,KISSING CROSS AND DOING RITUALS , THAT IS KNOWING GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST ,THE CALL IS PEOPLE TO AREPENT AND KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS .THAT IS KNOWING JESUS CHRIST ,JESUS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF MANKIND ,AND HAS GIVEN US HIS COMMANDMENTS TO KEEP BECAUSE THAT WAS JESUS LIFE, JOHN 14 : 15 THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS OF OUR GOD AND FATHER WORSHIIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH ,JOHN 4 : 24 , JOHN 1 : 1 - 14 THIS IS KNOWING THE ONE TRUE GOD THE FATHER AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST GOD THE FATHER HAS SENT ,JOHN 3 : 16 - 18
Coach zahabi is it !
Thats it coach summed it up there
Well put coach
We have to thank brother Hijab for defending the Deen in the biggest plataforms in the world against the biggest debaters of the last century. Hijab, you’re an honor for the ummah.
He’s a liar and his father is a scam artist. It’s sad seeing people believe this piece of trash.
I agree but the only thing I don't like from him is his shouting. He was great on this debate but his shouting and emotion was nonsense. May Allah take this thing from him. I thought he only use this behavior against the enemies of Islam but this Dr was nice and respectful he shouldn't behave like that
The problem is that you guys are following the teachings of pedophile and rapist. Your bloody Quran says God has a human shape and sits on a chair and is carried by his comrades/angels? How can this bloody guy be God who needs third party help? Throw this shitty god in the garbage? Also. Quran says, Allah is one of the Gods, not sons and only God and Allah is the best deceiver and conniver. Trinity is a concept and it can be interpreted in many ways. So, you reckless and brainless innately violent Muslims, pls turn away from the ideology concocted by a pedophile and rapist.
@@murthe-wise535brother craig is speaking about the Quran and the prophet ﷺ in a trivialising, demeaning manner and subtly showing them as inferior to chrsitianity and you want hijab to be soft with him?
Stop being soyboy and be a man like the prophet ﷺ, showing healthy aggresiveness and passion when deemed necessary. Enough "compassion" for the ones hiding malice for us and practice shirk. think about the bigger picture.
@@murthe-wise535 Craig is attacking Islam, trying to convince people out of Islam, what else would you expect. Keep it up Hijab, May Allah SWT increase you in your Izzah. Indeed all honour is for Allah, and if you seek honour from anything except from Islam you will be humiliated. There is nothing wrong in being honoured. As Allah SWT says in Maidah 54: O believers! Whoever among you abandons their faith, Allah will replace them with others who love Him and are loved by Him. They will be humble with the believers but firm/honored towards the disbelievers, struggling in the Way of Allah; fearing no blame from anyone.
"Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as disposer of affairs"
~The Quran (4:171)
Muslims I pray you find Yeshua. We love you all. You saw today that the Trinity makes sense. Hijab pretended to not understand the flame analogy and was unable to debunk the trinity. Compare the Trinity to Tahweed and Allahs oneness. There is no way that Allah as described in the Quran created the universe. Lets discuss why
Hijab knew not to talk about who and what Allah is. He mentioned Surah Al-Mu'minun - 91-101
"Allah has never had any offspring, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what he created, and they would have tried to dominate one another. Glorified is Allah above what they claim!"
Lets address who Allah says he is metaphysically and how the connection between the divine and creation in Islam is problematic:
God is simple and one
- By rejecting the trinity, how does a simple, unitary God manifest in multiple forms or attributes without compromising His unity? I.e Allahs word. Is his word a part of him or distinct from him? I.e does Allah have parts or is islam polytheism?
Allah is transcandent and operating outside of creation.
- How does Allah be transcendent and interact with the world without compromising his oneness? Christianity accounts for this. Allah can't because he is very clear that he is too magnificent to operate in creation. Sunnis even give him a location as outside of creation, above the seven heavens and above his throne. Which doesnt make sense either.
Allah is unlike anything in creation. He is unique in the universe.
- There is nothing like Allah but he is decribed using terms such as just, powerful and merciful. These same terms are used to describe other created beings like his prophets. How does that even make sense? Allah is like his creations?
Allah is very clear about who he is. The above points can not be dismissed. There is no way that Allah created the universe, because it isnt logical for a being with his self described properties to have done so
Compare this to the trinity.
The Triune God is immanent and involved in our world, but transcendent all at once. This balance makes sense in the trinity, but is impossible in Tahweed. God is a single divine essence existing in three distinct persons: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons are co-equal and co-eternal, sharing a single divine nature. The eternal love between the Father and the Son is the source of all creation. The Holy Spirit proceeds from this love and is involved in the creation of the universe. This same love is why the son took on flesh and became fully man for the forgiveness of our sins.
There is a logical link between the divine and creation; and this link is love
Christ is our Lord and redeemer and he loves you Muslims ❤️
@@YeshuaIsLord7777 God did not send his messengers to be worshipped. We love Jesus, you worship him.
@YeshuaIsLord7777
Well, first of all, welcome. I hope you are well. I did not understand some of what you said, but you talked about the attributes of God, such as strength, and you say that God described them in that way. Well, if I asked you, does Jesus love you, you would say yes, and if I asked you, do you love him according to your belief, would you say that you are a god because you possess the quality of love? No, I can talk about the dilemma you mentioned for hours, and since you mentioned this argument, thank you because you will help me a lot. Matter, time, and place who is affected by the three things. This is not God, Jesus peace be upon him, was affected by the elements according to the reason you mentioned. We will all be affected by the three elements
What you mentioned, we are all creatures affected by the three elements. Therefore, we are all lords. O man, one god, and he used to send messengers. Notice, there are not different religions, just different laws. The divine project on earth for man is to worship him and do justice in human society.
And why did Jesus die for a sin that I committed? Imagine that your grandfather killed my grandfather and I will kill you. If you ask me why, I will tell you that your grandfather killed my grandfather, is this reasonable? Why should anyone else bear what I did? I think you are following your own whims, my friend
@Skunkus_Munkus
Hey, please explain for me the following. Educate me. I will take silence as you being unable to answer:
1. Divine Attributes and Unity:
If Allah is absolutely one, how can He possess multiple attributes, such as being just, merciful, and powerful? Doesn't this imply a certain level of differentiation within His nature?
2. Transcendence and Interaction:
If Allah is transcendent and beyond the world, how can He interact with and influence creation without compromising His absolute oneness? Doesn't this suggest a certain level of immanence or involvement?
3. Divine Uniqueness and Human Attributes:
If Allah is truly unique and incomparable to anything in creation, how can He be described using terms that are commonly associated with human beings? Doesn't this suggest a certain level of similarity between Allah and His creation?
Goosebumps, AllahuAkbar 😭🔥🔥
I'm sorry but Dr. William Lane Craig is supposed to be the most intellectual Christian, but he gave the analogy of God (trinity) being a 3 headed dog 😭😭 Auzubillah
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where did he say that?
Hamza says different and he is muslim
@@TheOnlyAndOddPath yo I follow you on Twitter 😅
basic strawman. it was never an analogy; stop putting words in his mouth
With all due respect to Dr Craig, a very respectful & respected man..
If he's the best representative of Christianity today .. we can see why this religion is disappearing
2.6 billions Christians
I think many things he defends his religion quite well especially wit atheists but the main doctrine of trinity of his against muslims, he will fail like he did hear
@@samuelrigaud6595 and decreasing
William Craig isn’t the best representation for us, just because your daddy hijab says so doesn’t mean it’s true he’s only doing that to make points for himself, there are better people like James white for topics like these who hijab never debated, he literally got destroyed at a park once by a African Christian on this topic 😂, plus there are 2.9 billion Christians in the world, America isn’t the whole world.
@samuelrigaud6595 nah...western Christianity, the anchor of the Christian world is disappearing fast.
Romans: "We mixed paganism and monotheism and made Christianity."
Perfect way to summarize
Nothing better then Mohamed and Borak ,Demon possessed prophet !
Just like mythological gods who have children with mortal humans
@@puncastle5150exactly.
Assalamu alikum. What you said is perfect, and I'm sorry to change the topic. Ismael the first from "safavid dynasty" did the same. Ismael was so impressed by his father's side grandparents who were Romans. He learnt how they changed the teaching of Isa alihiSalam and made Christianity.
Ismael forced Iranian to 12 imamath and added many persian paganism in shiaism
Even though Dr. Craig is an intellectual but still Preacher mode is something which he shares with his many Christian apologists
Hamza says different he reacted live .
More like intellectually bankrupt...
@@bklynoctorious498lol...stop using hamza. He said hijab was far superior
@@bklynoctorious498 hamza said what ?? so he wasnt preaching ?? im sorry you need to rewatch
@efdawahfan I only said Hamza said different, isn't he Muslim. He said nobody won , and no one proved there point . I have no say in this race I'm not Christian or Muslim . To be honest I rather hear preaching then an argument that leads to no where . It's a waste of time . Just becuase you raise your voice does not mean you are quote on quote winning an argument.
William Lane Craig tried to desperately escape by bringing the argument of crucifixion.
Trinity is an insult to intellect🤯 Thank you brother Hijab may Allah reward you
What a refutation 😂
muhammad is a racist, PDF file, child grapist, wife beater, kidnapper, torturer, enslaver, s3x slaver, murderer, terrorist and orders his followers to do the same to all non-muslims. Verify for yourself in the quran and hadiths. Condemn the evil anti-christ. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
Yet believing in angels and moon splitting isn't 😂the double standards of Muslims never cease to amaze me
@@TheKaveshan says an atheist 0+0+0 at infinty =1 lol
@@moe5337 says someone that calls people an atheist because they refute the Quranic bullshit written by a dictator acting as God 😹 your god is an evil soul that will send good kind people to hellfire because they don't choose Islam🤣and you call this God merciful..FFS
*Timestamps:*
00:00 - Background of the Speakers
01:47 - Today's Topic & Format of the Debate
02:18 - Dr. Craig's Opening Statement
06:17 - Br. Hijab's Opening Statement: Critique of Dr. Craig's remarks
12:03 - Critique of Dr. William Lane Craig's representation of social trinitarianism
17:51 - Discussion on the coherence of the Nicene Creed
23:17 - Discourse on the incoherence of Trinity
29:43 - Questioning the impossibility of disagreement in the Trinity
35:39 - Discussion about the nature of God as a Tri-personal being
41:19 - Explanation of causal overdetermination in relation to the Trinity's role in creation
47:18 - Discussion on the roles of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit.
52:26 - Discussion on the Trinity's comparison to a cat's skeleton
58:20 - Logical inconsistencies & polytheistic implications in the Trinity
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As a formal Christian, my main issue here is one that I haven't hear no body identified. Why if God had a son and the God was in the son and the spirit was Him within the spirit. 3 in 1, since the beginning of times, why did God never claimed that on the Old Testament or on the Torah?
I left Christianity because the bible is NOT a book FROM Jesus. The bible is a book about what people wanted to put about Jesus. Jesus never preached what Saul/Paul preached. While researching the bible, it seems like Paul goes against what Jesus preached. I'm convinced Paul (that made part of the New Testament) was the wolf dressed with sheep clothing that Jesus warned us about. Christianity is not a religion FROM Jesus!
Jesus constantly affirmed the ONENESS of God which means God is ABSOLUTE ONE not Trinity.
Jesus proclaimed his version of the Muslim shahada:-
John 17.3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
The first part affirms the ONENESS OF GOD whom he called ELAH (ALLAH).
The 2nd part affirms that he was His messenger sent by God to guide ONLY his own people - the lost sheep of Israel.
Gentiles with pagan mindset are dogs, swine to him and are not fit to be given the pearls from his hands.
Come to islam
Salam aleykum the win 🏆 is guaranteed when it’s Muhammad Hijab speaking Masha Allah
Hamza says different isn't he muslim
@@bklynoctorious498 Hamza said Hijab won, stop lying🤣🤣
@cheicknacamara651 muhammad is a racist, PDF file, child grapist, wife beater, kidnapper, torturer, enslaver, s3x slaver, murderer, terrorist and orders his followers to do the same to all non-muslims. Verify for yourself in the quran and hadiths. Condemn the evil anti-christ. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
Moderator was very fair and polite.
Great discussion, M. Hijab did well and challenged him immensely.
Hijabs response was that it's not logical but my question is why would it be?
@@remotAge because God it’s not man
@@youssefelsayed8025 who does believe that?
@@remotAgeUmm, not you ?? Jesus isn't man ?
@@themuhammadalifan8693 he incarnated as a man yes, but that he is forever a man in the way we are
The champ has once again showed his intellectual prowess. Great job Brother Hijab
No one won
@@bklynoctorious498 dude hijab did 70:30 in his favour
@bklynoctorious498 hijab definitely supported his point of view well, much better than the other guy.
😂😂 hijab is lost his arguments are inconsistent with the doctrine saying things like “wills” as if we believe there are more than one will. Also this was moderated horribly, they would give hijab extra time especially in the minute 23:50 where they gave the guy like 40 more seconds after time was up. But what can you expect when this debate is being held by Muslims, I won’t even be surprised if my comment gets deleted as well, fyi hijab you deleting my comment proves my point.
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1. Stop crying about time, you know you wouldn't be able to defend 1+1+1=1 even if you had a century.
2. The debate is hosted by Cameron Bertuzzi, a known chrsitian polemic against islam.
It takes time to process such a massive, historical blunder and defeat, you'll get there.
This was the most unexpectedly one-sided religious debate I've ever seen.
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Hamza says different and he is muslim , isn't he ?
It was a slaughter by hijab and it isn't even bakrid yet 😭😭😭
@@bklynoctorious498he doesn't understand philosophy bro 😂
Source? Even if hamza said otherwise that doesn't change reality@@bklynoctorious498
MashaAllah brother Hijab great as usual. May Allah guide Mr. Craig to Islam, he is a respectable man.
Why doesn't Allah guide Craig to Islam?
And why are you imposing what you want on Allah...
@@a4482921 muhammad is a racist, PDF file, child grapist, wife beater, kidnapper, torturer, enslaver, s3x slaver, murderer, terrorist and orders his followers to do the same to all non-muslims. Verify for yourself in the quran and hadiths. Condemn the evil anti-christ. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
Ask 500 Christians about the Trinity and you will get 500 different explanations.
Cope
@@ikaika3113
Christianity is false. My channel debunks Christianity and that pagan trinity.
@@ikaika3113nah you cope harder.
@@JesusisaMuslimJesus is a Jew
Muhammad was a sex deprived loser
@@ikaika3113😂😂
May Allah accept this deed from you Hijab, keep us all firm on Islam and reunite us in jannat ul firdaws
Ameen
Craig: “I’m defending the pages of the New Testament.”
Yeah, and so does every other Christian. All other 1,000+ sects whom you disagree with.
Didnt the father send the son. Can a subservient being be equal to the one he is subservient/submitting to?! NEVER.
I lost braincells reading the Christian chat. Coping cause their religion is dying in almost every single country.
No Islam is dying cause of the internet
2.6 billions Christians
@@JathelyHelliya Lmao, Islam is the fastest growing religion, whilst Christianity is dying, cope harder
@@samuelrigaud6595 what ?? man they all liberals man there is no more christianity they all fornicate and adultary ...they know ....thery know christianity makes no sense ...they only celebrate christmass halloween and thanksgiving...thats it !!!!...its over !! finito finished...it had its best time and is dwindling.
@@samuelrigaud6595west Christianity is finished.
Mashallah the champ once again completely knocked the opponent. Alhamdulillah that we Muslim has a guy like Muhammad Hijab, who's truly a blessing of Allah...
بارك الله في علمك وعملك و مالك وأولادك... جزاك الله خيرا احسن الجزاء في الدنيا والآخرة.
We've just witnessed a slaughter and it isn't even bakrid yet
Yeah, poor Hijab needs a hug after the spanking he got.
@@elyonxx muhammad is a racist, PDF file, child grapist, wife beater, kidnapper, torturer, enslaver, s3x slaver, murderer, terrorist and orders his followers to do the same to all non-muslims. Verify for yourself in the quran and hadiths. Condemn the evil anti-christ. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
Now this i a great example of how strong is the Islamic argument and how empty the Christianity argument is
Masha Allah brilliantly done. Trinity is finished!
Although brother Hijab was a bit aggressive with WLC I think he won the debate easily. I think even many Christians will agree to this. May Allah SWT guide WLC and other christians to islam.
Hamza says different.
Nope, not at all. I mean I will agree that he was aggressive, and that was unfortunate. But he didn't prove anything other than he doesn't understand what Trinitarian view really is. He argued against strawmen and spent more time attacking Dr. Craig than engaging him. it was just bad.
No Christian agrees😂😂 Islam is a big fat joke thanks to Mohamed hijab
@brianmendes9298 What specifically do you disagree with with Islam?
@@bklynoctorious498I see ur spamming this everywhere to feel better about the “debate”.
Great debate good job Mohammad
May Allah make this debate a means of guidance to our brothers in humanity from the Christine faith
it becomes clear how high the intellectual price tag of Christianity is. A price that an intelligent person would not be willing to pay.
I'm sorry I am also Muslim but this is not always true. WLC is clearly an intelligent person. There's other factors at play. I think subconsciously most Christians don't practice their faith because deep down they know it doesn't make sense. It also doesn't help there isn't really much in the way of objective ways to practice their faith that can be traced back to who they call "Jesus"
Christianity will keep changing values and the Bible words nonstop.
We are from Palestine 🇵🇸 I ask you to pray, for us 🤲🏻❤💙
May Allah give you victory
Asalaamu Alaikum wa Rahmatulahi
We are and will and doing more within our ability to cause change. May protect you , unite and grant us tawfeeq
@@Sarah1from1Palestine I’m a Christian, but I’ve definitely been praying for the innocents in Palestine.
@@JaredPowell-e2xgod bless you and guide you to him ❤
Pray that Muslims stop doing what Muhammad taught. Here are some teachings of Islam that are not acceptable.
Jami at-Tirmidhi 1606
Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:
That the Messenger of Allah (saws) said: "If I live - if Allah wills - I will expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula."
Sahih Muslim 1745 b
It is narrated by Sa'b b. Jaththama that he said (to the Holy Prophet):
Messenger of Allah, we k!11 the children of the polytheists during the night raids. He said: They are from them.
Sahih al-Bukhari 2926
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (#) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so k!11 him."
World famous author, Leo Tolstoy said:
“Muhammad has always been standing higher than the Christianity. He does not consider god as a human being and never makes himself equal to God. Muslims worship nothing except God and Muhammad is his Messenger. There is no any mystery and secret in it. The law of the Qur’an will prevail in the world because it agrees with reason and wisdom. I have come to understand that humanity needs only a Divine law to establish the truth and destroy falsehood. Islamic law will encompass the entire world because it is consistent with reason and agrees with wisdom and justice.”
The first of the paragraph is ambiguous. Please fix
@@iberplayz9849
How can I fix someone else's quote? Cope harder.
Source ? @@JesusisaMuslim
except that's not something Tolstoy actually said, it's a very poor translation of the following:
"As far as the preference of Mohammedanism to Orthodoxy is concerned, I can fully sympathize with such conversion. To say this might be strange for me who values the Christian ideals and the teaching of Christ in their pure sense more that anything else, I do not doubt that Islam in its outer form stands higher than the Orthodox Church. Therefore, if a person is given only two choices: to adhere to the Orthodox Church or Islam, any sensible person will not hesitate about his choice, and anyone will prefer Islam with its acceptance of one tenet, single God and His Prophet instead such complex and incomprehensible things in theology as the Trinity, redemption, sacraments, the saints and their images, and complicated services."
It should also be pointed out, that this is more of a dig on Orthodoxy and not a preference to Islam. Tolstoy was a fairly radical Christian anarchist, and didn't favor the liturgical or magisterial offices of the Church. His understanding of Islam was also based on Ahmadiyya's, and as such was a very poor representation of Islam). If I was a Muslim, I would probably not quote someone who basically thought Islam was better because it was made for simpletons.
@@FirstnameLastname-qz9fr Tolstoy's view on Islam was not based on Ahmadiyya heretical sect what are you talking about? Tolstoy spent some time living in Kazan a Tatar region where only Sunni Muslims live most belonging to Hanafi school of jurisprudence of Islam. His understanding of Islam was based on Sunni Islam the traditional Islam which was and still is the most common sect of Islam in Russia, Eastern Europe, Central Asia and Western Europe (Islamic Spain) for many years. Ahmadiyya sect started in India and apart from India and Pakistan is not very well known in any other parts of the world except by immigrants from those countries besides the group was founded in 1889 whereas Tolstoy was born in September 9, 1828, Yasnaya Polyana, Yasnaya Polyana, Russia and Died: November 20, 1910. He wouldn't even have enough time before his death to even discover or know what Ahmadiyya was where did you even get that false information from?
I have been following reasonable faith for a while now.
And in any video that gets posted by them concerning Muslims, I would debunk them in comments. Dr. William never responded but other christians tried to debate but always failed miserably.
And with all honesty, Dr. William Lane Craig is one of the easiest people to debate in the whole world. And if this is the top evangelist that Christianity has to offer then Alhamdullillah, Christianity is done for.
Mashallah, very proud of my brother Mohammed Hijab, its on my bucket list to meet you brother
One of the best Mohammed hijab's debate ever !
Absolute master class performance 👏
God bless you brother .
😂😂😂
@@mohammed-mp4vj You are Hijabs sock account aren’t you. 😂
It is evident from Islamic literature that Muhammed was a false prophet and so Islam is false.
Seek the truth: the Jesus Christ of the Bible. If you find him and you stay with him, you shall live forever. Those who have not the Christ of the Bible are slaves to sin, death, and destruction.
@@thesonsoflightt Compelling argument
😂😂
Its actually astounding 🤦🏾 if you read the comments on the capturing Christianity channel, they actually think Craig won 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾 the level of cope from these Christians is incredible lol
Ikr. And even though I'm Muslim I'm not biased when it comes to debates. I will acknowledge when a Muslim loses a debate. Hijab had him on every point. Very weak performance from WLC.
Yes and most of them belives in eternal generation aswell which William line craig deny
Remember these same people thought that Daniel Haqiqatjou lost to Sam Shamoun !!
@@EzziiG they are bots and they spam comments like islam L etc to make fools who dont want to watch the debate and read comments instead or are just plain stupid get influenced by those comments. We have to counter it by going there and doing our due dilligence.
Christians - craig won
Muslims - Hijab won
That is called confirmation bias.
Brother Mohammed, once again I am impressed, I already thought I got to know your style pretty well, but you always bring new positively surprising elements to your debates and never fail to deliver fundamentals in arguments you make, hence why they will never fail even if you make a small mistake from time to time which happens to the best of us. 100% spot on, thank you for not only defending Islam, but for dismantling other incoherent belief systems which were asking for their dismantling ever since their creation, with Islam.
This was very one sided. There really is no defending the incoherence of the Trinity. I find it incredibly pathetic that the latest strategy is to appeal to differences of opinion/ijtihad on God's attributes in Islam. There is no equivalence between this and the polytheism of the Trinity
Good job brother hijab
Respect to William Lane Craig for his demeanor. May Allah guide him and us to the path most pleasing to Him
And I’m not kidding: the argument against the attributes of Allah is the best argument christianity has to defend the trinity.
God -who He is- is not bound by your intellectual understanding of Him. Just because you have difficulty grasping the concept of the Trinity, doesn't mean that God does not exist as a Trinity. He isn't bound by your ability to understand Him.
You are a body, soul, and spirit. Three parts. How many people are you? One. Your body, soul and spirit are uniquely you, but you're not three separate people. You yourself, created in God's image as the Bible says, are a reflection of His Triunity.
@@Dylan-j2z6s Yes, but I’m not saying my soul is fully me.
@@YeshuaLastWeapon When your spirit separates from your physical body, and you're experiencing consciousness from your spiritual body instead of your physical, will you still be you or will you be somebody else?
I think the error Christians make when they defend the Trinity is that they try to describe God's oneness as something other than a unified whole. God is 3 persons, but they are one in unity and essence. That is the sense of their oneness. The one God of the Bible can not be measured by the standard of Tawheed because He is not one in the way that Muslims understand it. He is one, but not one in person.
Think about a family. You have a Father, Mother and child. How many people is that? Three. But if I asked how many families is that? The answer is one. They are one family, 3 persons. In a similar way, God is 3 persons but one God. They are a unified whole.
Barak Allahu feek brother Muhammad! Very good job!
The Christian apologists need to hire a crisis management team.
Why?
@@bklynoctorious498because Christians were exposed as the polytheist pagans as they are
@@bklynoctorious498you got dismantled
@@bklynoctorious498 As I just said they gathered their puppets to review the debate.
it wont help ..nobody can help falsehood...a lie is a lie hiding it for a long time in the dungeons of the churches ...doesnt make it true.
Just looked at the comment section of the other Chanel this was uploaded and literally all of them are coping right now without debunking one thing MH said 😂
This is the ace of Christian debaters btw
You must be brain dead 💀
@@Nitaijonjoedasaobjectively William lane Craig is a low tier Christian apologists when it comes to trinity. He didn’t even represent well compared to other Christian apologists
What is d link to the other channel?
The comment sections of both pages are nearly identical.
@@Isa87-oe7hv Sure they are Hijab. 😘
This will be a legendary debate, Hijab absolutely decimated William Lane Craig.
Try to be honest, modest and accurate in your proclamations...
This kind of triggering language will act as a natural barrier towards others embracing İslam.
Ok accurately Hijab decimated the Christian faith .. with help from Billy .. no consensus of trinity , godhead anything . No reply to the arguments Hijab poses … sorry mate .. facts are facts .. finally Billy going against all of Christianity that there is no eternal begotten son in the beginning . What else to say 👍👍👍
@Golden_Scholar muhammad is a racist, PDF file, child grapist, wife beater, kidnapper, torturer, enslaver, s3x slaver, murderer, terrorist and orders his followers to do the same to all non-muslims. Verify for yourself in the quran and hadiths. Condemn the evil anti-christ. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
@@Nitaijonjoedasathey don’t know they just jump on the hijab band wagon even though the Quran stole from other religion who has a pdf file cult leader
Genius intellectual tactical play by MH, used WLC to attack mainstream Christianity, and WLC was eager to oblige, then went ahead to decimate WLC's own trinity model 😅
There is no God but God (Allah) and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.
Dr William is a very likeable individual.
I thank you all for making this discussion possible. You couldn’t explain it to a 5 year old could you, all this trinity doghead godhead Siamese triplet stuff. The truth is simple- God is One. He alone is worthy of worship. Praise be to The Almighty, The One and Only God. The Eternal.
All prophets came before the shahada
There is no god than god ?
@@densel6587
There is no God except Allah.
Allah is the Arabic word for God.
There is only One God. The only God. The Creator of all that exists.
@@samuelrigaud6595okay? Sorry I'm not really understanding your point here
@@samuelrigaud6595 all prophets believed in one God
A good example to knowledge as muslim man! May Allah increase you in wealth and strength
Ameen
This is just a beautiful way brother Hijab took him down Alhamdulliah.
The trinity goes like this: in the beginning was confusion, confusion was with delusion, confusion was delusion.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
In the beginning was ONE.
ONE saw Hindu God multiplies into many.
ONE multiplies itself but can only make it into THREE.
Wait isnt trinity 3? Confusion and delusion is only 2. Wheres the third one?
Jazaka allah khayr you did great in this discussion 👏
When you have the absolute truth, you always have full confidence to deliver your message without mixing jeibrish. Allahamdullilha, for the pure way of life Al-Islam that I have been granted by my suprem creator Allah.
You can also be a complete ignorante, think you know the truth and look confidente 😂. Moho's case here
@adrianpapibuilder Absolutely without any doubt whether you believe it or not. You have a right whatever you want to believe in, but there is only one absolute truth. May the supreme creator Almighty Allah keep us on the straight path and protect us from our whims and desires as well as our egocentric and arrogance behaviors.
So wait dr William Craig says tawheed is confusing while the trinity is clear and simple? Lmao
An absolute annihilation! Christian got flamed and then switched to preacher mode when couldn't handle it lol. Much love and respect to brother Hijab 🙌🏻🙌🏻🫡
Hijab’s cooking is on another level, William Craig almost fainted 🤣
That is Islam 😡 always aggressive
@@TRENDING-TWISTS muhammad is a racist, PDF file, child grapist, wife beater, kidnapper, torturer, enslaver, s3x slaver, murderer, terrorist and orders his followers to do the same to all non-muslims. Verify for yourself in the quran and hadiths. Condemn the evil anti-christ. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
@@densel6587The truth is aggressive against falsehood. The truth is never weak, shy or meek! Alhamduliallah for the Truth! Falsehood will perish!
With all due respect how the heck can someone study Islamic theology and not accept Islam?!
How can you study islam and not join Isis ?
If you read it properly you would have joined it
jazaka allah khayr for this master piece debate . you did a great job how incoherent is Christinity
HIJAB ROCKED AS ALWAYS❤❤
Litterally lost to 81%
@@arthurgoonie4596 on a christian channel, lmao ofc more christian will watch there, and vote there
@@arthurgoonie4596 LOL, you really think we'd judge the debate by comment Section Crusaders ?? you guys are bots.
A majority or authority vote doesn't dictate truth. It could show immense truth or immense falsehood.
And as Muslims we are proud of our monotheism.
And you hope you submit to Allah/God.
And stop worshipping a confusing, illogical, inunderstandable, doubtable construction of 3 Gods and 1 God, both being the same in being.
Cope harder@@arthurgoonie4596
Well done bro. Dismantled Craig. He clearly kept avoiding the central arguments and tried to digress to Tawheed which he also misrepresented.
What debate did you watch? 😂
I agree, mo hijab truly destroyed him. I have higher expectations for William to atleast adress his argument about how the father or the son or the spirit can create the universe fully by itself.
@juniormunoz6157 you do realise William Craig was on the defensive and all he could answer on his personal limited subjective (let alone heretic) view of chirstianity was to basically say that he thinks there is 'no good reason not to accept that its a reasonable conclusion', paraphrasing, than to actually give justification for his views which he failed to. How on earth did he do a good job? Lol coz he thinks there is good historic evidence for crucifiction of Jesus? That's his best argument? Or was it his special animal analogies onto God. And that's what you're here defending? Lol
Without lies, Christianity dies
With lies Islam thrives 😂
Jazak Allah khair brother Muhammad hijab , amazing points.
God doesn't need to kill himself to forgive our sins. God forgives all our sins above His blessed Throne.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “When a Muslim or a believer washes his face in ablution, every sin that he committed with his eyes will be washed away with the last drop of water. When he washes his hands, every sin that he committed with his hands will be washed away with the last drop of water. When he washes his feet, every sin that he committed with his feet will be washed away with the last drop of water, until he emerges purified from sin.”
Sahih Muslim 244
A potential Christian reply would be that God is also All-Just.
So how can Allah arbitrarily forgive us if Allah is All-Just ?
@iberplayz9849
Allah is the All-Forgiving. Even Ezekiel 18:20-22 says God would forgive past sins if one turns away from his sins. We don't need pagan human sacrifice.
@@JesusisaMuslimdelusional
So it's okay that Allah forgives your sins by sacrificing Christians and Jews but it's bad that the Son of God came to die for our sins???
@@JesusIsWithYouNowPrayToHim
Allah forgives our sins when we repent to him. We Muslims and Jews don't believe in pagan human sacrifice. Christianity was created by the white man.
Respect to islam. From a Christian but I am genuinely shocked that people thought WLC lost this debate, even the consensus from atheists was, the debate was won by WLC
Hijab just shouted and the candle analogy absolutely blew my mind with ignorance, seriously volume doesn’t equal it being right.
The greatest Christian debater of the last century has been dramatically dismantled by brother Hijab today 🎉
lol 😂. You wish
More power to Mohammad Hijab....Love from Kashmir India
Even the bible does not endorse the trinity
John 17 3
Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
The trinity literally destroys Christianity. Christians should just move on to the original model of god the father being the greatest: jesus and the holy spirit as his subordinates that makes way more sense
Okay
Okay since you can explain Bible verse and understand them more than Christians please explain verse 5 of Chapter 17 that is John 17,5😊
@@JesusIsWithYouNowPrayToHim read verse 4 too for that
I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
it says the same thing in verse 4 that Jesus finished the work of the father. If God the father, the ghost and the son were all co-equal jesus should have referred to the holy ghost as well. And he is asking the father again to glorify him meaning the father possess the ultimate power and i.e trinity is incoherent.
Passing glory can mean anything maybe some sort of rank that jesus had in the heavens
same thing matthew 24:36
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father.
Again where is the holy ghost. He should have mentioned to keep the trinity in place. And jesus being god should have also known this right ? cause he was god in human flesh.
@@Cine95 The Bible is true because it speaks of people like you!!! You ask Spiritual questions but you are not a Spiritual man that is why you can't understand the Spiritual things!!
When Jesus says Father Glorify me (Son) and your problem is He is not including the Holy Spirit I the conversation you are truly lost, YOU DONT KNOW THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, IN CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM, YOU CANT PRAY TO GOD WITHOUT THE SPIRIT OF GOD INFLUENCING YOU!!!!
So the mere fact Jesus , the Son speaks with the Father, all of this is done through the Holy Spirit, so you claim that the Trinity is incoherent fails!!! Like other uninformed Muslims would say why don't you pray to the Holy Spirit but only to the Father and Son, these Muslims don't know that the only way you can pray to the Father and Son is *through the Holy Spirit* so you are greatly mistaken!!
Now you say maybe Jesus had some rank while he was in Heaven??? What?? So you as a Muslim admit Jesus is uncreated???
You are lost man, first when Jesus said l have finished the work, he was referring to what was to come, i.e his death that is why on the cross He said, *It is Finished* and When Jesus says He wants the Father to give him the Glory He had what does that mean?? Which other Prophet had Glory??? Is Glory not only for God?? So this teaches that Jesus is claiming to be God but you just quote it as if it's nothing!!!
Okay for the passage of God the Father only know the hour l would like you to go read *Phillipians 2:5-11* it will tell you why Jesus did not know the hour whiel He was here on Earth!!!
There is none in the heavens or the earth who will not return to the Most Compassionate in full submission. (Quran)
It blows my mind that the Christian’s and atheists here actually think William Craig did a good job 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Hijab literally used Craig’s own books and logic against him and Craig had no leg to stand on. This is embarrassing, actually ridiculous 😂 Hijab did a great job. But I’m surprised, that Hijab didn’t use biblical verses. Like if Craig is saying they are all equal and they all created the universe together means they have the same will, but when Jesus according to the bible was begging the father to take the cup away not by his will but the fathers will and when he was on the cross screaming why have you forsaken me, shows they have different wills and not always do they agree, and shows the father has the stronger will if Jesus couldn’t take himself off the cross.
@@Nitaijonjoedasa WLC failed to prove how 3 Gods have the same will. if he says there nature is the same he is implying that One is bound to Think like the other implying that God is bound by other factors[ lack of freewill ].
@@Talhatahir-wp9rdThey have different wills as persons not as a being or essence read John 5:19
Would you like to discuss one of the points in the debate, when the topic of the Trinity was discussed, and not personally Dr. Craig (to be fair, Dr. Craig does hold to heretical views) that you believe Hijab prevailed on?
Pick the one you are most confident in discussing, if you choose to engage.
Also, provide a timestamp, for anyone who would like to follow the discussion.
@@Nitaijonjoedasa Still the same, he is bound by something implies lack of free will.
@@youknowtherules5681 According to WLC all three of them Have the same nature thats why they think the same, this also implies lack of free will.
That conjoined twin analogy is a good one Mohammed! Masha Allah
Islam is the one true Religion
No
John 17:3
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”THIS IS TO KNOWING GOD THE FATHER AND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON JESUS CHRIST AND JESUS CHRIST HAS REPRESENTED GOD THE FATHER ON THIS EARTH . JOHN 14 : 8 - 9 GOD THE FATHER SHALL NEVER GIVEN PEOPLE TO BOW DOWN FOR A STONE AND KISS THIS STONE OR BOW AND KISS STATUES ,KISSING CROSS AND DOING RITUALS , THAT IS KNOWING GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST ,THE CALL IS PEOPLE TO AREPENT AND KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS .THAT IS KNOWING JESUS CHRIST ,JESUS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF MANKIND ,AND HAS GIVEN US HIS COMMANDMENTS TO KEEP BECAUSE THAT WAS JESUS LIFE, JOHN 14 : 15 THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS OF OUR GOD AND FATHER WORSHIIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH ,JOHN 4 : 24 , JOHN 1 : 1 - 14 THIS IS KNOWING THE ONE TRUE GOD THE FATHER AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST GOD THE FATHER HAS SENT ,JOHN 3 : 16 - 18
Not even close
Nope Jesus is the truth
Islam is a threat to humanity. There are plenty of muslims countries. If you are not in one of them already, please go and live there and let the rest of the world in peace. All you guys want to do is setting obsolete, cruel, and barbaric rules to live under. Live by them in your piece of land and let the west, china and japan and all non-Muslim countries in peace
May God reward brother Hijab for his efforts to spread Islam!
Mohammed I exposed Christian prince next will be Sam and Godlogic but I’m saving you for last see you soon
How can God have two right arms how can God appoint a pedophile to be a prophet
How can God switch bodies of Christ on the cross and replace him with a man with no name or record of it’s existence and lastly how can God replace His covenant with the same people who enslaved His lost sheep debate Muslims and moors plus Catholics because you’re all the same 😂
As always..Another amazing win Brother hijab..May Allah reward you❤
Qur'an 109:1-6. 1. Say, "O disbelievers,
2. I do not worship what you worship
3. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
4. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
5. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
6. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
god bless you brother mohamed hijab and againe thank god for being a muslim
you can ask him this
Bring me one theological and reasonable excuse to why the son and the holy spirit co exist while they won't differ with the father and at the same time the father is capable of creating the universe by himself as he said ?
34:18 This man says that god is contingent. meaning god depends on something else, hence limited in power. William lane craig, out of lane.
Great argument
Trinity is ancient paganism.
Egyptian Trinity
Father Osiris, mother Isis and son Horus
Hindu Trinity
Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva
Christian Trinity
Father, son Jesus and Holy Spirit
"If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians . . . was changed, by the Church of Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief."
Edward Gibbon's History of Christianity.
If it paganism, then why is in the Islam accepted for a men to married with a christan and not with a Hindu or Budist
Sure buddy what ever you say🫠
Pagan roots? That's really surprising:
Have a look at this. I don't think he has done
his homework on the roots of Islam or he
conveniently forgot about it. Did you know
that Ishmael forsook the God of his
forefathers? ITEM #26 WILL SHOCK YOU:
(1). Does the Qur'an define the word
"Allah"? No.
(2). Was the name "Allah" revealed for the
first time in the Qur'an? No
(3). Does the Qur'an assume that its readers
have already heard of "Allah"? Yes
(4). Should we look into pre-Islamic Arabian
history to see who "Allah" was before
Muhammad? Yes.
(5). According to Muslim tradition, was
Muhammad born into a Christian family and
tribe? No
(6). Was he born into a Jewish family or
tribe? No
(7). What religion was his family and tribe?
Pagans
(8). What was the name of his pagan father?
Abdullah (Abd + Allah)
(9). Did Muhammad participate in the pagan
ceremonies of Mecca? Yes
(10). Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times
worship 360 gods? Yes
(11). Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun,
moon and the stars? Yes
(12). Did the Arabs built temples to the
Moon-god? Yes
(13). Did different Arab tribes give the
Moon-god different names/titles? Yes
(14). What were some of the names/titles?
Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.
(15. Was the title "al-ilah" (the god) used of
the Moon-god? Yes
(16). Was the word "Allah" derived from "al-
ilah?" Yes
(17). Was the pagan "Allah" a high god in a
pantheon of deities? Yes.
(18). Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.
(19). Was Allah only one of many Meccan
gods? Yes
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(20). Did they place a statue of Hubul on top
of the Kabah? Yes.
(21). At that time was Hubul considered the
Moon-god? Yes.
(22). Was the Kabah thus the "house of the
Moon-god"? Yes.
(23). Did the name "Allah" eventually
replace that of Hubul as the name of the
Moon god? Yes.
(24). Did they call the Kabah the "house of
Allah"? Yes
(25). Did the pagans develop religious rites
in connection with the worship of their
gods? Yes.
(26). Did the pagans practice the
Pilgrimage, the Fast of Ramadan, running
around the Kabah seven times, kissing the
black stone, shaving the head, animal
sacrifices, running up and down two hills,
throwing stones at the devil, snorting water
in and out the nose, praying several times
day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday
prayers, etc.? Yes.
(27). Did Muhammad command his
followers to participate in these pagan
ceremonies while the pagans were still in
control of Mecca? Yes (Yusuf Ali, fn. 214,
pg. 78).
(28). Did Islam go on to adopt these pagan
religious rites? Yes. (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg.
80).
(29). Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called
"the daughters of Allah"? Yes.
(30). Did the Qur'an at one point tell
Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and
Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.
(31). Have those verses been "abrogated"
out of the present Qur'an? Yes.
(32). What were they called? "The Satanic
Verses." Yes.
(33). Was the crescent moon an ancient
pagan symbol of the Moon-god throughout
the ancient world? Yes.
(34). Was it the religious symbol of the
Moon-god in Arabia? Yes
(35). Were stars also used as pagan
symbols of the daughers of Allah? Yes
Did the Jews or the Christians of Arabia use
the crescent moon with several stars next to
it as symbols of their faith? No
(36). Did Islam adopt the pagan crescent
moon and stars as it religious symbol? Yes.
(37). As Islam developed over the centuries,
did it adopt pagan names, pagan
ceremonies, pagan temples and pagan
symbols? Yes
(38). Is it possible that most Muslims do not
know the pagan sources of the symbols and
rites of their own religion? Yes.
(39). Are they shocked to find out the true
sources of their ceremonies and stories?
Yes
(40). Can Islam be the religion of Abraham if
it is derived from paganism? No
(41). What then is Islam? A modern version
of one of the ancient fertility cults.
(42). Is the "Allah" of the Qur'an, the
Christian God of Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit? No
@faithgurl08 So Islam got rid of paganism in Arabia? Thanks for helping the Islamic cause.
@@faithgurl08Also 26 is a complete lie. I also find it funny how you included giving alms hahaha. How dare people give alms
42:18 😂 you have a fantastic book on logic, I recommend it for children..
Dr William Lane Craig was just all over the place and one could easily see his lack of conviction and incoherence. His unconventional and "heretic" views on the concept of trinity exhibit his confusion on the matter. Great job brother Muhammad Hijab. 👍
Wow Muhammad Hijab won, alhamdulliah!
Hamza says different, isn't he muslim?
@@bklynoctorious498show me where hamza said it differently😂
@@bklynoctorious498 Brother if Hamza saying differently then he not muslim hahah
So basically if hamza is only a Muslim if he says hijab won? Lol
@@bklynoctorious498 he didn't
Christianity was finally ended today, today is the day of history, the best and most intellectual christian academic of the last century was completely defeated. If a christian even after this persists in his beliefs and doesn't sincerely want to look into islam, then you have noone but yourself to blame for hell.
Mohamed and Aisha stops me✋🏾🛑🚫
@@samuelrigaud6595bachelor Jesus and little boys😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@samuelrigaud6595ya okay but didn’t you know that most of your ancestors did the same if not worse? Oh no😮 bust your bubble there hey? In fact if you went back a thousand years and told your ancestors what they did was disgusting they would just laugh at you. It was a norm. Life expectancy those times was extremely low due to diseases etc so women married as young as possible and had as many children as possible.
@@samuelrigaud6595 then you don't know anything, if you were a sincere believer you will look at the refutation for that and full context and explanation from the muslim side, but you aren't sincere, you're afraid of the truth, you wanna bury it. You will be asked by God why you didn't educate yourself. Prepare yourself.
@@samuelrigaud6595If you believe in Aisha marrying Muhammad (pbuh) because of the hadith, you must be intellectually consistent and accept other hadiths too from the same source. Like where he split the moon (through the permission of Allah) and gave hundreds of people to drink water and predicted the future etc.
Amazing discussion! Saw william lane craig in a very weak stance and then moving to preacher mode for te first time
While the debate styles of Mohammed Hijab and Dr. Craig are quite different, Hijab raises some strong philosophical and theological points that deserve attention:
1. Inhibitions within the Trinity: This argument hinges on the idea that if each person of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is fully capable of creating the universe independently, as Dr Craig's claimed, then the need for other persons would imply a limitation or inhibition on each individual’s power. This challenges the concept of omnipotence. If their powers are dependent on each other, Hijab argues that this compromises their status as fully divine.
2. Responsibility for Creation: Hijab points out a logical issue with the idea that all three persons of the Trinity can be 100% responsible for creation. The point about the inability of the Trinity to be 100% responsible for creation raises a logical problem for Dr. Craig's model. Hijab likens this to the problem of multiple mothers giving birth to the same child or the candle lighting analogy, suggesting that each person in the Trinity would either need to have a divisible share (e.g., 33% each) or contribute fully in a way that leads to logical contradictions. Hijab critiques Craig’s attempt to avoid such a division of responsibility as incoherent.
3. Blasphemy and Mainstream Christian Doctrine: Hijab’s third point involves showing that Dr. Craig’s views are not aligned with mainstream Christian theology, suggesting that even Christian scholars critique his interpretation of the Trinity. By citing Christian sources, Hijab shifts the burden of proof to Craig to defend his position not just against Islamic objections but also within the Christian theological tradition.
Overall, while Dr. Craig’s calm and methodical style might appeal to some, Hijab’s arguments are philosophically and theologically solid and were not fully addressed in the debate.
Another significant point in the debate between Dr. William Lane Craig and Muhammad Hijab was Dr. Craig's attempt to draw a parallel between the concept of Tawheed in Islam and the Trinity in Christianity. Dr. Craig tried to argue that Islam faces similar challenges in understanding the attributes of God, just as Christians do with the Trinity. However, Hijab responded by clarifying that this comparison is not reasonable due to the distinct nature of the 'whoness' and 'whatness' of God in Islam.
Hijab explained that the 'whoness' of God, which refers to His oneness, is the essence of Tawheed. Muslims, regardless of their sects or groups, all believe in the absolute oneness of God-He was neither begotten nor does He beget, and nothing is like Him (as stated in Surah Al-Ikhlas). Since Dr. Craig's question involved the 'whoness' of God, it is not comparable to the concept of the Trinity, which also concerns the 'whoness' of God but in a different theological framework. When it comes to the 'whatness' of God, i.e., His attributes, Hijab argued that this becomes irrelevant to the discussion, as it does not relate to the nature of the Trinity since also the topic of the verse was directed to Mary.
Another notable point in the debate was Dr. Craig’s agreement with the reasoning in Islam that rejects the concept of the second person of the Trinity (the Son) being begotten.
Unfortunately, from the beginning of the debate, Dr. Craig seemed to diverge from the main topic by focusing on two points:
1. Misinterpretation of the Quranic Verse: Dr. Craig claimed that Hijab misunderstood the doctrine of the Trinity by referencing a Quranic verse. Hijab countered by explaining that the verse in question (where God asks Jesus if he told people to take himself and his mother as deities besides Allah) does not address the Trinity at all. The use of the term "two gods" (إلهين) makes it clear that the verse is not related to the concept of the Trinity, which involves three persons.
2. Diversion to Tawheed: From the outset, Dr. Craig seemed to divert the discussion to the topic of Tawheed, which indicated his reluctance to address the core issue of the Trinity in detail.
Life is short...
Alhamdullilah for Islam, good job Mohammed Hijab
They1 say, “The Most Compassionate has offspring.”
You have certainly made an outrageous claim,
by which the heavens are about to burst, the earth to split apart, and the mountains to crumble to pieces.
Astagfirallah may allah keep us on our deen
The Christian’s coping with this one 😂
Thanks for the debate. I respect WLC as a scholar but I dont think he properly defended The Trinity here today, unfortunately.
You know someone has lost the argument when they start going ad hominem. The Mojab goes ad hominem from the outset. He knows it’s a debate he can’t win, so he attacks his interlocutor. Wm Lane Craig has it in the bag from the outset.
If each person in the trinity must have the same will as each other that means the singular person dose not actually constitutes free will because its inhibited always by the other two persons.
Another way to to refute Trinitarians is to ask them "if Jesus is god, then why is the Lord's prayer addressed only to the Father and not to to the son?" Its like as if Jesus is not want to be prayed or worshipped to.
Cope
@@ikaika3113my friend .. trinity got dismantled from your own scholars admittance
Answer pagan @@ikaika3113
Christian cope on their chat is mind blowing
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The Jewish scribes were waiting for three people to come after John.
John 1:19-21. 19. And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
20. And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Then in verse 25, they question John again:
John 1:25. And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
They clearly knew three distinct people were prophesied to come.
1. John denied being 'Christ', which was obviously Jesus.
2. John denied being 'Elias', which was Elijah.
3. John then denied beings the 'prophet', which was Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). The Prophet like Moses:
Deuteronomy 18:18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
John 16:13. John 16:13. ... for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Great work MH!
Absolutely destroyed, come on dr Craig make the final step towards Islam.
When one employs logic and Rationale to identify the basic attributes of God, there is no way that they would come to a conclusion of more than one being, being God.
1 CORINTHIANS 2:11-16
11 For who among men knows the depths of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the depths of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the depths graciously given to us by God,
13 of which depths we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual depths with spiritual words.
14 But a natural man does not accept the depths of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he can not understand them, because they are spiritually examined.
15 But he who is spiritual examines all things, yet he himself is examined by no one.
16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will direct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Yahweh made it very simple and clear that God is NOT a man with a circumcised dck.
How much simpler did you want Him to say it?