Awesome episode!! Very deserving of getting more views. If anyone is truly a BMW enthusiast they should be watching this. Steve appears to be a true professional and Joe is excellent as always ❤
Really enjoyed that, recognising some of the drawings and where they ultimately ended up, the first 5 series wow my dad's first BMW, he was so proud of that car and why I believe i followed
I saw the podcast you did with this legend that is Steve Saxty on The Drive Torque Podcast with PetrolPed and that was an awesome video. I'd urge the viewers to watch if they haven't already. Getting 2 episodes on your channel is also special. A greatly talented guy. I've learnt so much about design of cars and BMW design especially and its so interesting. Thank you Joe 🎉
Thank you buddy! He's a very knowledgeable and interesting guy who's had some incredible access, It's been great learning about it in his books and on this podcast/video 👌
Ah, thank you - I'm glad you enjoyed them. It was fun as Joe and I met years back just as I started and helped me think this somewhat ambitious project worthwhile. More to come!
Thank you both, I've just ordered the box set as a Christmas present for my son who will be collecting his 1st ever car tomorrow (M240i LCI) from BMW Hindhead
Interesting to see some design elements from the older cars make their way back into the current line-up (e.g. iX / 4 series grille). What strikes me most is that the large vertical grille on the Nagashima 7 series works and integrates reasonably well with the whole front end. Don't see that same care and detail in the modern designs...
Highly informative video. But l thought it was Frank Stephenson that designed the BMW X5. He said he sketched while flying on the private jet that was taking him to the BMW HQ meeting.
Can Steve enlighten us about the difference between a cabriolet and a drop head coupe? I once heard that they are not the same, and I don't necessarily mean a folding metal roof, A la SLK... What was the Triumph stag if it was not a Targa?
TBH the terms are interchangeable - sort of. A convertible fabric or metal roof could be used on a sports car, SUV (think Murano, Evoque) or coupe while Drophead Coupe is a term applied to (you guessed it) a coupe. The DHC term was one we alighted on during the Rolls-Royce project I worked on as having a slightly more noble, British demeanor. Targa on the other hand tends to mean a roof with removable panels but the current 911 Targa uses the word for a folding (metal) roof but that's all Porsche branding, like using "Turbo" on an EV.
@stevesaxty4645 Thank you for that Steve. Do you think there is an argument to re-engineer design classics like the E30 absolutely precisely in appearance, ( not a modern interpretation like the Mini or Renault 5 ) in electric or hydrogen form to offset the invasion of Chinese Electric Cars. I'm thinking I would rather buy a perfectly identical electric BMW E30 than a BYD Dolphin for example. Or does modern crash testing make that impossible? I can never understand why car companies produce cars that everyone lust after in such small numbers ( The Jaguar continuation cars ) when the whole point of making cars is to sell them in large numbers and not just pander to the whims of the billionaire collectors. VW did a great job with the modern beetle, if only Mercedes and BMW did the same....
I think the answer is there in your question maybe? You certainly can’t bring back an old body shell into production and meet crash regs. Plus, it hardly sends a sign of confidence in one’s own current product. Much as I love the oldies I’d take a modern 3Series over an E46 for daily use. What’s interesting is where some like Mini and Renault 5 can work today while other retromods are duds leaning on a name as a prop
Imagine if they used the old designs as inspiration for modern BMW's. These new ones have been appallingly horrendous in design and details considering BMW's excellent and unique design history.
Such an interesting video… and sensitive touch point for BMW .. 🤣😂😅 ❤ current design ethos is nothing more than shocking. Even Frank Stephenson has given them some serious criticism.
BMW haven't been expanding for 60 years by repeating themselves, Stephenson did nothing new, tall 5er & bringing Mini into this century, i3 & i8 were NEW.
To me new BMW designs needs more time to appreciate.... it will grow n grow everyday more you look at it .... a lot of people that complained about it before are liking it more now ...😊
Yes, that explains their record 2023 on 60 years of growth & also record # trolls, they doubled volume this century in neu segments & made Spartanburg largest American exporter of vehicles.
God, if only the actual 3.0 CSL homage car looked *anything* like that render. The real CSL homage looked awful, just a G82 with a tacked on body kit and slightly different front bumper. A non-spoiler version of that render is what the current M4 *should* have looked like, 100%.
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Great episode, gents!
Thank you guys 🙏
one of the most awesome episodes; thank you for doing it!
Thanks for watching and glad you liked it!
It was really easy and fun for Joe and I to do so I hope that shows and made it fun to watch. And I hope you'll enjoy the books!
Awesome episode!! Very deserving of getting more views. If anyone is truly a BMW enthusiast they should be watching this. Steve appears to be a true professional and Joe is excellent as always ❤
Absolute GOLD, mate! Thanks so much for bringing this to us.
Superb - looking forward to the next episode!
Great to hear!
@@JoeAchilles1 Having bought everyone else's Christmas presents, I will be buying this book set as a present to me, from me!
Awesome concept Joe! Super fun :D
Glad you liked it!!
Bought the book set. Thx for the coupon Joe.
Awesome! Thank you, you won't be disappointed ❤
Thank you - enjoy the books. There are two years until the next ones so you have time!
What an awesome episode cannot wait for the next one👍👍
Thank you, next one coming on Sat 🎬
Really enjoyed that, recognising some of the drawings and where they ultimately ended up, the first 5 series wow my dad's first BMW, he was so proud of that car and why I believe i followed
Suprinsingly interesting. I really enjoyed watching it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I saw the podcast you did with this legend that is Steve Saxty on The Drive Torque Podcast with PetrolPed and that was an awesome video. I'd urge the viewers to watch if they haven't already. Getting 2 episodes on your channel is also special. A greatly talented guy. I've learnt so much about design of cars and BMW design especially and its so interesting. Thank you Joe 🎉
Thank you buddy! He's a very knowledgeable and interesting guy who's had some incredible access, It's been great learning about it in his books and on this podcast/video 👌
Ah, thank you - I'm glad you enjoyed them. It was fun as Joe and I met years back just as I started and helped me think this somewhat ambitious project worthwhile. More to come!
Favorite car favorite brand thanks for this great vedio 🙏🏻
That Z8 looks gorgeous! Looking forward to seeing how the upcoming 'Neue Klasse’ designs pan out.
Beautiful isn't it! The Neue Klassé features in episode 2 actually 👌
Great video, Steve is such a knowledge guy. I've ordered the book set, I just need to persuade my partner that she's bought it me for Christmas 🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣 Amazing and good luck! Glad you enjoyed the video, can't wait to share episode 2 soon 🎬
You’re lucky. My wife thinks I dont deserve a copy 😅
thank u ❤❤❤❤
Thank you both, I've just ordered the box set as a Christmas present for my son who will be collecting his 1st ever car tomorrow (M240i LCI) from BMW Hindhead
You’ll enjoy it. And enjoy the books. You’ll see a bit of 2 series birth in there.
Love to see these oils and drawings in a full blown art exhibition! Any plans to do it?
Absolutely LOVE Sunset Orange as a colour. I really wanted it for the G20 we have but couldn't get the spec we have so had to settle for BSM.
Interesting to see some design elements from the older cars make their way back into the current line-up (e.g. iX / 4 series grille). What strikes me most is that the large vertical grille on the Nagashima 7 series works and integrates reasonably well with the whole front end. Don't see that same care and detail in the modern designs...
New or old designs...i love BMWs
Highly informative video. But l thought it was Frank Stephenson that designed the BMW X5. He said he sketched while flying on the private jet that was taking him to the BMW HQ meeting.
Something different Joe 🙏great show
Great video
Can Steve enlighten us about the difference between a cabriolet and a drop head coupe? I once heard that they are not the same, and I don't necessarily mean a folding metal roof, A la SLK... What was the Triumph stag if it was not a Targa?
TBH the terms are interchangeable - sort of. A convertible fabric or metal roof could be used on a sports car, SUV (think Murano, Evoque) or coupe while Drophead Coupe is a term applied to (you guessed it) a coupe. The DHC term was one we alighted on during the Rolls-Royce project I worked on as having a slightly more noble, British demeanor. Targa on the other hand tends to mean a roof with removable panels but the current 911 Targa uses the word for a folding (metal) roof but that's all Porsche branding, like using "Turbo" on an EV.
@stevesaxty4645 Thank you for that Steve. Do you think there is an argument to re-engineer design classics like the E30 absolutely precisely in appearance, ( not a modern interpretation like the Mini or Renault 5 ) in electric or hydrogen form to offset the invasion of Chinese Electric Cars.
I'm thinking I would rather buy a perfectly identical electric BMW E30 than a BYD Dolphin for example. Or does modern crash testing make that impossible?
I can never understand why car companies produce cars that everyone lust after in such small numbers ( The Jaguar continuation cars ) when the whole point of making cars is to sell them in large numbers and not just pander to the whims of the billionaire collectors. VW did a great job with the modern beetle, if only Mercedes and BMW did the same....
I think the answer is there in your question maybe? You certainly can’t bring back an old body shell into production and meet crash regs. Plus, it hardly sends a sign of confidence in one’s own current product. Much as I love the oldies I’d take a modern 3Series over an E46 for daily use. What’s interesting is where some like Mini and Renault 5 can work today while other retromods are duds leaning on a name as a prop
This is the most bullshit episode you have ever done.
Imagine if they used the old designs as inspiration for modern BMW's. These new ones have been appallingly horrendous in design and details considering BMW's excellent and unique design history.
Pure joy 🥹
Glad you enjoyed it!
Brits are loving the German cars more than their own 😂
Definitely 🫣
Why not talk about M3?
Such an interesting video… and sensitive touch point for BMW .. 🤣😂😅 ❤ current design ethos is nothing more than shocking. Even Frank Stephenson has given them some serious criticism.
BMW haven't been expanding for 60 years by repeating themselves, Stephenson did nothing new, tall 5er & bringing Mini into this century, i3 & i8 were NEW.
#BMW_Z8 #SaxtySexy HaHa
The current set of bmw car designs are the worst bmw have released, that new m2🤢 the m5🤢 and so many others
This video is about BMW classics 1970-2000.
To me new BMW designs needs more time to appreciate.... it will grow n grow everyday more you look at it .... a lot of people that complained about it before are liking it more now ...😊
New M2 is already a timeless classic
Yes, that explains their record 2023 on 60 years of growth & also record # trolls, they doubled volume this century in neu segments & made Spartanburg largest American exporter of vehicles.
Thanks Joe, my order just arrived - 0889/1500
The quality of the books is amazing
God, if only the actual 3.0 CSL homage car looked *anything* like that render. The real CSL homage looked awful, just a G82 with a tacked on body kit and slightly different front bumper.
A non-spoiler version of that render is what the current M4 *should* have looked like, 100%.
Yes, why they sell for 6 figures.
If only so much BMW design wasn’t catered towards Chinese tastes. There are some beautiful cars mixed with some absolute pigs.
Bigot🐽.
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