Totally agree with not relying on an App’s prediction... that’s how I got pregnant with my second baby. 😮 I’m committed to learning more and using FAM better this time around!
If you got pregnant with this method, wouldn’t it convince you to look more at conventional methods. No offense, but I would be terrified if I tried this method.
@@ihatemondays63 Maybe if you were to read some books about it it would be less terrifying though. And if you really dig deep into what synthetic hormone pills actually do to your mind and body you would probably be pretty terrified.. The copper IUD seemed like an amazing option for me when I realized what the hormones were doing to me, but after a few years of using it more information is coming to the surface about the side affects from the copper that the doctors fail to mention. This method is not as easy as just taking a pill but I'm positive it's a lot more healthy & certain methods of fertility awareness, when used correctly in conjunction with other methods can be extremely effective. Like 93 -99 percent depending on the methods you're using.
Yeah I waited 3 days after the predicted ovulation and still got pregnant :o i would normally wait a bit longer but I was convinced I'd already ovulated a few days before because I had the egg white CM
I have been OBSESSED with your videos. I have been off birth control for about a year now and was always looking for something more natural to replace it. THANK YOU for introducing me to this method. I got a basal thermometer, the kindara app, and just ordered Taking Charge of your Fertility. I am also going to track my cervical fluid once I learn more about how to do it. I am very excited to start this new journey and learn more about my body. Thank you for your amazing videos, you are awesome!!
Victoria has been amazingly helpful in answering my detailed questions via email. Recently she was on vacation and yet she answered all my questions. I am so so grateful to her for not only offering this course but being patient and detail-oriented to ensure that I understood and can follow the chart your cycle method diligently. I seriously cannot recommend her enough. I have already told all my girlfriends about her and the fact that she cares so much to make sure that you can follow the method as your birth control method means a lot. I didn't know going into it that Victoria will be so helpful patient even a year after I signed up for the course and answer all of my emails (we've a chain of 40 emails you guys 40 haha) this is serious and Victora understands that seriousness. I appreciate her thoroughness and patience beyond words! So, sign up for the course with her and do your mental and physical health a favor :)
Wakeup early on normal days to take your temperature and go back to sleep. I think you should have at least 4hrs of sleep before taking your temperature and the time variance that you’re taking your temperature at is 2hrs~. But check the times from a reliable source. Anyways, you can work it out like this😉
The Marquette method does use the clear blue easy fertility monitor, but you do have to follow their instructions especially for special circumstances. Charting methods are like birthing methods. The organizations promoting and teaching them market their brand and sometimes make too much out of small changes that don’t actually matter much. However, do the research on the actual method you’re learning and stick with it. I started charting when I was 21 and I’m 37 now. That’s over a decade of familiarity, especially considering I wasn’t sexually active until I was 29. I’ve taken classes in more than one method.
This was such a good video for me to see at this time! I've been taking my temperature and figuring out my cervical fluids, but this really gave me the kick in the pants to sit down and learn the symptothermal method in its entirety, to really start doing this thing right. Thanks for all you do!
Would be interested to hear what specific method you use - what specific things you track/monitor etc - and how you go about them on a day to day/cycle to cycle basis. You're so informative on your channel about all things FAM, but I'd love to hear a more first-hand account of how you personally adopt it day by day. Thanks for the all the content!! All the best :)
All of these yessss 🙌🏼🙌🏼. In the beginning I was definitely making some of these mistakes haha. I didn't take my temp at the same time everyday and they were all over the place. I also didn't think tracking CF was important. And now I see others making these mistakes in the Kindara community and I just want to scratch my eyes out haha. Especially when women don't know the temp shift and peak day rules. Those are the most BASIC rules of FAM, if you don't know them well enough you should definitely not be using it as a birth control method 😳.
Do you have a video that is a intro to what FAM is. I need something to show people to easily understand what the heck it is I'm doing. Something for our husbands, Moms, and friends.
I encourage everyone to buy a lady comp! It's kind of pricey, but it is so worth it if you are going to take his method seriously and dive straight in. It's made specifically to track fertility and gives you an added sense of comfort that a basal thermometer doesn't if you are new to FAM! Thank you so much for your videos Victoria!
The problem with charting devices is they use algorithms you can't really understand and they do not consider any disturbing facts (like measuring time, alcohol consumption...) PLUS as you said...they are pricey!!! Also you rely on temperature only. It's so much safer when checking the cervical fluid as well!! I can't see any benefits of lady comp (and others) as long as I'm able to read a basal thermometer ;)
Bellaballerina I think one should check cervical regardless of their temperature taking device! I still check my fluid along with my lady comp and the lady comp is built to take things like alcohol consumption or forgetting into consideration! Just my opinion and what makes me comfortable with the method! I do agree though that tracking cervical fluid should go right along with what ever you use to take temperatures!
I don't understand how to take my tempt at the same everyday aswell as soon as I wake up. Because I can wake up anywhere between 6-7am (I don't want to use an alarm)
You only take your temperature once a day. Not at a specific time say 7am and then again once you wake up. You only take your temp *once* the second you wake up. Let’s say you wake up at 8am one day and then 10am the next, that’s ok it just has to be the very first thing you do when you wake up.
so... If I decide to take it at 7 am every morning and for example: it's Saturday and I can wake up later, should I set an alarm and take it at 7 am as usual? or wake until, let's say 10 am when I wake up? and example (or question) #2, what if I went to a party and I felt sleep at 5 am, what should I do? take it at 7 am as always or wait until I wake up?
6:11 hey can you help me? You said that charting temperature can't help you prevent pregnancy because it tells you when you've ovulated.. I'm confused, isn't that why it would actually be helpful for pregnancy prevention?
Taking your temperature is effective because it confirms that ovulation has in fact occured. I would suggest talking your temperature and checking your cervical fluid in conjunction with each other
Hey Victoria!!! Have you heard of “Ava”?! The ovulation predictor bracelet? Thought it could be cool to combine with FAM... but I only trust your reviews :) can you tell us your thoughts?!
Well, shit. I'm making a lot of these mistakes. You have persuaded me to go back to using condoms until I more thoroughly study Taking Charge of Your Fertility. Thanks for getting my ass in gear.
I have to wake up multiple times throughout the night breastfeeding my daughter so my question is how can I do a more accurate reading when I'm constantly up and down? I'm up every 2 hrs usually. :(
I don’t think this method is good for Flight Attendants lol Our sleep schedule is different, sporadic and constantly disrupted. So, I wonder what I can do!?
I am about to start using the temperature method along with two others. However, I have a question and hope somebody has an answer :) I take my temperature every morning and will see a rise in it after I ovulate. I believe our bodies warm up 12 to 24 hours after we ovulate. But if sperm can live 5 days inside our bodies and an egg lives 1 day, we are most fertile just before and immediately after ovulation. So my question is what's the use of knowing that I've ovulated (because my temperature has gone up) if i was super fertile before then? Seems so risky
I highly recommend learning the sympto-thermal method. Just taking your temp and checking your fluid isn't enough until you learn the rules and guidelines to know whether you're fertile or not.
OIEG Cirencester in my class we were taught that the first 6 cycles of tracking, you just consider yourself fertile since the first day, just to be sure. After that you take the shortest cycle that you’ve had, and subtract 21 days from that amount
so should I put on an alarm to wake me up at the same time every day? because I usually wake up in a time window around 8-10am o clock so... I don't know if I just can take the temperature in any of those moments or if it has to be in the same exact hour everyday... Another question is: do I have to be absolutely quiet during the 5 minutes I´m taking my temperature? because I have a 3 years old daughter who once she sees me awake she ain´t gonna let me just be there quiet and relaxed for 5 minutes straight haha
If you already understand the female hormonal cycle and how ovulation works and happens, is reading a book on it still important to be successful in FAM?
What if you just don't wake up at the same time every day? I have a school schedule that changes and I take every opportunity to sleep in that I can! Does that mean this method will be ineffective? I hope not because I took birth control pills for 10 years, stopped cold turkey, and it messed up my body for 5 years afterwards. I'm not interested in getting pregnant right now but I'm definitely not interested in any more synthetic birth control hormone pills or devices!
Chelsea Danielle You can set an alarm to the earliest time in the week you wake up, take your temperature, and go back to sleep (except on the day you actually have to wake up ofc lmao)
Hi Victoria! Very explanatory video, Thank you! Do you have an idea what might I be doing wrong with the basal body temprature measuring part? I'm charting it day-by-day under my thongue, and following the rules (plus there is no stress/alcohol/lack of sleeping involved), yet I get quite different results every day. It change a 0,5-0,11 degrees from one day tó another. I've charted a whole cycle and was unable to tell when was the ovulation. I'm using a precision digital thermomether. Thanks for your answer!
So I have insomnia. I wake up literally 7-10 times a night. So there is no way I could ever do this. How do mother's with babies do this?! Getting up so many times how do you get an accurate temperature. And then for the discharge, if your partner ejaculates inside you, it can make you discharge different so how can you accurately chart that??? To me this just seems so easily flawed.
I have one day a week that I go to work at 6 am. There is no way I would be able to wake up at 5 am every morning just because I have to wake up at that time one day out of the week. What do you suggest for this?
Andrea Stankiewicz set an alarm for everyfay at the earliest you ever wake up for you that would be 5am. Take your temperature and if you dont have to wake up yet, go back to bed, if you do wake up and go about your day. That is what I do and it works good!
Don't worry about that one day. There are women (like me) whose temperature does not depent on the time as much. You will propably be able to chart correctly even if one day is earlier than others (or missing). Just be careful when you're close to you're temperature shift/peak day (btw not possible when using a charting computer). I think what Victoria means is simply that you are not doing yourself a favor by measuring at different times every day. That could end in a chart you can not use.
In general (please do check this for yourself with an instructor or Taking Charge of Your Fertility) your temperature rises one tenth of a degree for every half hour you sleep in. You can adjust your temperature to where it would have read had you woken at the usual time. Generally. And like the gal in the video said, do take it as soon as you wake.
The issue with every day and at the same time... I have my clock that reminds me to take it at 7 but I often wake up way before that so I try to fall back asleep until 7 and then I take it.
Don't see much difference in waking up times. I've been doing this for about 4 years or more. I always always notice a temperature drop then a significant temperature increase followed by a continuous temperature rise then a temperature drop a day before my menstruation. (Temperature fluctuations can also happen due to extreme anxiety/stress/illness/weather conditions. ) I don't know this just might be me.
I would love to use the Daysy but am currently 7 months postpartum and have an interrupted sleep cycle every night. Cycles returned after 3 months. Can I use the Daysy even if my sleep is disturbed?
Hi I've been looking for that "just keep hollering at me" shirt and I found the homepage but when I click the shirt link it doesn't seem to be there anymore.did they discontinue the shirt?
Thanks for all of your informative videos! Any suggestions for those of us who work night shifts? I work 60% overnights and 40% days. Should I just skip my temp on the overnight days? Or should I take my temp in the afternoon when I get up for work on those days?
I have a specific question about the ovulation test strips. I recently got my implant out and I am very invested in learning a natural birth control method. I’m trying to avoid pregnancy so Would it be okay to double check the days I’m 99% certain I’m not ovulating by using the strips?
Just remember that ovulation test strips can't tell you exactly when you're ovulating (only a transvaginal ultrasound can do that! haha). These test strips detect the presence of LH in your urine. The LH surge generally happens 24-72 hours _before_ ovulation, which happens up to 48 hours (but usually less) before you see a thermal shift. It is possible to have an LH surge but still not ovulate (there's even a type of cyst that occurs because of this). And not all women experience the type of LH surge you see on graphs. I'd recommend reading some scientific articles on LH to understand the complexities. But you can see how the way these time frames overlap make predicting fertility based on LH strips a bit iffy. The time you'd expect to see an LH surge would generally be during your fertile window before ovulation, so if you are using test strips to try to confirm you're NOT fertile, you might be running through a lot of test strips. But they also can't say for certain whether you're fertile. By the FAM rules recommended by Toni in TCOYF, you'll have no more than 3-5 "safe" days in your follicular phase (and those will likely be when you're bleeding). If you're not using LH strips to corroborate your ovulation prediction within a few days of when you expect to ovulate, the only other use I could see is, let's say you think you already ovulated, but it's really iffy for whatever reason (maybe you doubt your temperature's accuracy, maybe the thermal shift was not very big, or maybe you had multiple temp increases that could have been thermal shifts, etc.), maybe by the time you get 4+ days into what you _think_ is your luteal phase, you think it's safe, but you see some cervical mucus that's kinda stretchy and you wonder if maybe you actually didn't ovulate already and maybe this is fertile fluid... I could see how in a scenario like that, maybe an LH strip could be informative... if it were a clear positive (red flag). But I would be wary of relying on that alone. Since sperm can survive up to 5 days, you can still be fertile before LH surges. Also since you're testing urine, things like dehydration & fluid intake could affect results. Drinking a lot of water could help make CM more abundant, but also dilute your urine. And for some women the LH surge happens so fast that it's hard to catch unless you're testing multiple times per day. I do think they're handy at honing your ovulation prediction skills and helping you understand how your hormones work though. And they could potentially help warn you of delayed ovulation. I'd say it's ok to use them to air on the side of caution, or look for patterns, but not to justify unprotected sex. Here are a few articles if you're interested: www.fertstert.org/action/showFullTextImages?pii=S0015-0282%2812%2902135-8 www.avawomen.com/avaworld/long-lh-surge-last/ www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0018506X18301661
Can anyone answer, do you ladies when not in your fertile window still use a back method like condom or diaphragm? Or do you use nothing at all in the 'safe' zone?
Hi Victoria! Have you heard of the period pain-management device "Livia" - it supposedly works by keeping nerves firing so they cannot be used by as pain receptors. I'd be interested to know your thoughts! For some reason my gut feel was bad about it, but I also take prescription pain medication on the first 2-3 days of my period every month - which isn't good either
Hi. Can you please do a video of a specific method on how to predict when you are fertile or name a website that I could use to educate myself. Thank you.
Once you start FAM, can you ever change the time you take your temperature? I am starting this while unemployed and plan on getting up at a certain time, but if I get a job the time could change?
Can I begin tracking periods, and temps etc (fam) WHILE on a non hormonal birth control option like the copper iud? I’d like to learn more about fam and start tracking / charting but in the beginning stages I’d feel more safe if I was on bc
Does anyone know about Femometer? and if yes, what are your thoughts? i would love to see a video about it, i use it but i am not sure if it is safe. i educated myself and read a book and some articles, but i still don't trust it completely. Greetings and thank you for this amazing and educational video, xoxo
I need help wit this my chart I was told that My temps were all over the place I don’t know how I follow the rules I believe. What happened when the chart has dotted lines saying you possibly ovulated and than you get a positive opk two days later 🙄😑.
I desperately need FAM to work for me after being on BC pill and having a misplaces paragard IUD. I am a nurse and I work days and nights so my sleeping schedule is very inconsistent. Do you think that would make the FAM not work since I would have to take my temperatures at different times??
I think that if you can be as consistent as possible with your rotating schedule you can use FAM. Just make sure you're taking your temperature after 3 hours of consecutive sleep. Even if you wake up at 6 a.m. or 3 p.m.
Yeah I've been using it for about 6 months and it removes the need to take your own temp in the morning (basically takes your temp many times throughout the night and then identifies your highest one). Plus more affordable than Daisy, I think? I then sync it to its own app to get the final temp and then chart in Lily app. Just thought I'd share for reference :) @@FemmeHead
Okay, so I have a question that has not been addressed (to my knowledge) about the FAM. Sperm can live in the body for a period of days (5). So if you have sex 5 or fewer days before you ovulate, there is a feasible chance that you will become pregnant. Far too feasible for me to risk it. So how can you avoid conception with FAM when sperm poses a threat before ovulation has even begun?
Kailee Girl yes you are right, but FAM definitely addresses this, it’s covered by the ‘rules’ she mentions. When you are within that time before ovulation where sperm could survive you either abstain or use barrier contraception.
Well, you use things like your BBT (basal body temperature) and cervical fluids. There are changes as you lead up to ovulation and then other changes after you ovulate. You don't necessarily know the exact day you are going to ovulate (beforehand, you can tell for sure once its happened) but you do know when you are potentially fertile. I think the fertile window for most women (with a normal cycle) ends up being about a week, but it depends on your cycle and your BBT/cervical fluids. This is why its so important to follow the 'rules' like she talks about in the video- so you can interpret when you personally are fertile
what about clue? it predicts my ovulation on a calendar but it also has temperature and cervical fluid charts. is that reliable enough to use as a contraception method?
Clue relies on a calendar method, which isn't very good at all, so personally I would recommend another app, like kindara (but if it gives you a chart and you're the one interpreting it, any app suits the purpose, just don't trust the ovulation predictions on clue) ~ from my personal research, if I'm wrong please correct me
Lili F You can rely on your temps as long as you have at least 3H of uninterrupted sleep, temp right after you wake up before doing or saying anything, and around the same time everyday.
hello! thank you for the great content videos you make! maybe this is a silly question, but just to be sure.. all methods "bring" you to the same results, right? i mean if using TCOYF or sensiplan rules i'll figure out my temperature shift in different ways but they all will lead me to the same TS date.. correct me if i'm wrong please:)
They don't actually. And that's why they have different effectiveness measures as well. TCOYF is 2% failure rate, or 98% effective, sensiplan rules are 99.6% effective (and more restrictive).
I can confirm that: sensiplan® is actually based an a ton of studies and a dedicated research team in Germany is constantly improving it. It is the most effective method for NFP and does differ quite a bit to the TCOYF.
Shawnee Johnston you have to have been asleep at least 3hrs consistently before taking your temp. So although you take it the same time everyday if you’ve already been awake for awhile before taking it your temp will be off.
Bit of a naive question I apologise but did you/do you ever use condoms, if not, why not for you? Been watching a lot of your videos today and I'm really excited to start charting. I don't want to be using condoms forever as it interrupts the flow/ it's wasteful etc. but hormonal birth control is also a big no no. Thank you for all of the information, sorry if you've already answered this somewhere and i've missed it x
Sophie_ Joanne_ I use FAM, mainly I use the Daysy to give me that extra safety. And on the days when you are considered fertile you should either use a barrier method, non penetrative methods or abstain, it's not as wasteful because you'll only be using condoms for a small percentage of the time compared to when you don't track at all.
Sophie_ Joanne_ I've only been using it a small amount of time but so far, so good. I mainly rely on the Daysy but I would love to know more about how to manually track it too. I know everyone seems to recommend reading Taking charge of your fertility. Hope this helps :)
I currently have paragard and have really been thinking of taking it out been having a lower Back pain off and on, and discharge😣 I'm interested in FAM can I just take my temp with a normal thermometer? Or do I need the daysy don't really have the funds. I have 2 boys under 2 and want to abstain from more atm. or even point me to another video thanks in advance
I have just had my IUD taken out about a month ago, so I know it can be scary. But I got a crazy infection that just wouldn't heal up with it in, so that's why it had to come out. I hope you find the best way for you to work this. Given the type of question, I think you should definitely get the book 'Taking Charge of Your Fertility' by Toni Weschler. All of these types of questions, and much much more (lots of general female health info is in it too) are answered in it. There's a kindle version for it too, if you need it this right hot minute.
Annalise how long have you had the Paragard? The first three-four months are kinda crampy and painful for most people and loads of discharge is a normal side effect :) talk to your ObGyn if you feel uncomfortable maybe.
Thanks for making these videos! I've been doing FAM... but as I've been tracking my cycle, I'm concerned they're a bit short. 26 days in the past few months, with three days of bleeding (but in the 100 ml range in those three days--which seems like too much!). I'm wondering if this is normal or not, or if my hormones are a bit out of wack. Thinking about taking vitex as a means to sort out a hormonal imbalance, but I'd like to learn as much as I can before I do this. (Not trying to get pregnant atm, though!) Anyone in this comments section have thoughts for me?? :D
Marary R 100ml is indeed too much, you should only lose up to 80ml. But it's a small difference, so you probably don't have to worry :) for some women, taking Ibuprofen while they're on their periods reduces their menstrual flow. It never worked for me, but you have nothing to lose x)
This is all so interesting. I havent been on birth control for 7 years but I havent charted or tracked anything. We just use condoms and I guess blind faith and intuition hahahah and that works for me but I would like to start charting to learn about my body because I feel like they didnt teach shit in health class?
Hi!!! Love the video! I'd love to start using Daysy, but I have a question, hopefully someone could help me :) I work as a baker 4 days a weeks, what means that I don't have a exactly hour of waking up every day, sometimes it could be a 2 am, 7 am or 9 am. Will Daysy work for me? I really want to know before to invest that amount of money on it. Thank you.
Don’t use daysy. Track your own cycle and watch for cervical fluid, position, and temp. Daysy is not reliable they retracted their 99.4% accuracy claim.
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Totally agree with not relying on an App’s prediction... that’s how I got pregnant with my second baby. 😮 I’m committed to learning more and using FAM better this time around!
If you got pregnant with this method, wouldn’t it convince you to look more at conventional methods. No offense, but I would be terrified if I tried this method.
@@ihatemondays63 Maybe if you were to read some books about it it would be less terrifying though.
And if you really dig deep into what synthetic hormone pills actually do to your mind and body you would probably be pretty terrified..
The copper IUD seemed like an amazing option for me when I realized what the hormones were doing to me, but after a few years of using it more information is coming to the surface about the side affects from the copper that the doctors fail to mention.
This method is not as easy as just taking a pill but I'm positive it's a lot more healthy & certain methods of fertility awareness, when used correctly in conjunction with other methods can be extremely effective. Like 93 -99 percent depending on the methods you're using.
Yeah I waited 3 days after the predicted ovulation and still got pregnant :o i would normally wait a bit longer but I was convinced I'd already ovulated a few days before because I had the egg white CM
I have been OBSESSED with your videos. I have been off birth control for about a year now and was always looking for something more natural to replace it. THANK YOU for introducing me to this method. I got a basal thermometer, the kindara app, and just ordered Taking Charge of your Fertility. I am also going to track my cervical fluid once I learn more about how to do it. I am very excited to start this new journey and learn more about my body. Thank you for your amazing videos, you are awesome!!
Morgan Mahoney a year on how is it going?
Any unintended or unplanned pregnancies?
Victoria has been amazingly helpful in answering my detailed questions via email. Recently she was on vacation and yet she answered all my questions. I am so so grateful to her for not only offering this course but being patient and detail-oriented to ensure that I understood and can follow the chart your cycle method diligently. I seriously cannot recommend her enough. I have already told all my girlfriends about her and the fact that she cares so much to make sure that you can follow the method as your birth control method means a lot. I didn't know going into it that Victoria will be so helpful patient even a year after I signed up for the course and answer all of my emails (we've a chain of 40 emails you guys 40 haha) this is serious and Victora understands that seriousness. I appreciate her thoroughness and patience beyond words! So, sign up for the course with her and do your mental and physical health a favor :)
I fell in love with my fertility
What if my work requires me to wake up at different times? Sometimes for work I wake up at 3am and normal days I wake up around 1030am. What can I do
Buy a tempdrop for $150. Best investment ever.
You can do real birth control. Or plan on having one or more kids
Wakeup early on normal days to take your temperature and go back to sleep. I think you should have at least 4hrs of sleep before taking your temperature and the time variance that you’re taking your temperature at is 2hrs~. But check the times from a reliable source. Anyways, you can work it out like this😉
@@A_Girl_named_nick by real do you mean artificial hormonal birth control or do you mean understanding your cycle ..?
The Marquette method does use the clear blue easy fertility monitor, but you do have to follow their instructions especially for special circumstances. Charting methods are like birthing methods. The organizations promoting and teaching them market their brand and sometimes make too much out of small changes that don’t actually matter much. However, do the research on the actual method you’re learning and stick with it. I started charting when I was 21 and I’m 37 now. That’s over a decade of familiarity, especially considering I wasn’t sexually active until I was 29. I’ve taken classes in more than one method.
This was such a good video for me to see at this time! I've been taking my temperature and figuring out my cervical fluids, but this really gave me the kick in the pants to sit down and learn the symptothermal method in its entirety, to really start doing this thing right. Thanks for all you do!
Would be interested to hear what specific method you use - what specific things you track/monitor etc - and how you go about them on a day to day/cycle to cycle basis. You're so informative on your channel about all things FAM, but I'd love to hear a more first-hand account of how you personally adopt it day by day. Thanks for the all the content!! All the best :)
Yes, I get shocked by some Kindara users who seem so blase about the method, having to take the morning after pill and about falling pregnant!
All of these yessss 🙌🏼🙌🏼. In the beginning I was definitely making some of these mistakes haha. I didn't take my temp at the same time everyday and they were all over the place. I also didn't think tracking CF was important. And now I see others making these mistakes in the Kindara community and I just want to scratch my eyes out haha. Especially when women don't know the temp shift and peak day rules. Those are the most BASIC rules of FAM, if you don't know them well enough you should definitely not be using it as a birth control method 😳.
Hi Jessica, I'm new to this and wanted to ask if you check your cervical mucus during your period? If so, how would you be able to see it?
Do you have a video that is a intro to what FAM is. I need something to show people to easily understand what the heck it is I'm doing. Something for our husbands, Moms, and friends.
I encourage everyone to buy a lady comp! It's kind of pricey, but it is so worth it if you are going to take his method seriously and dive straight in. It's made specifically to track fertility and gives you an added sense of comfort that a basal thermometer doesn't if you are new to FAM! Thank you so much for your videos Victoria!
The problem with charting devices is they use algorithms you can't really understand and they do not consider any disturbing facts (like measuring time, alcohol consumption...) PLUS as you said...they are pricey!!! Also you rely on temperature only. It's so much safer when checking the cervical fluid as well!! I can't see any benefits of lady comp (and others) as long as I'm able to read a basal thermometer ;)
Bellaballerina I think one should check cervical regardless of their temperature taking device! I still check my fluid along with my lady comp and the lady comp is built to take things like alcohol consumption or forgetting into consideration! Just my opinion and what makes me comfortable with the method! I do agree though that tracking cervical fluid should go right along with what ever you use to take temperatures!
I don't understand how to take my tempt at the same everyday aswell as soon as I wake up. Because I can wake up anywhere between 6-7am (I don't want to use an alarm)
You only take your temperature once a day. Not at a specific time say 7am and then again once you wake up. You only take your temp *once* the second you wake up. Let’s say you wake up at 8am one day and then 10am the next, that’s ok it just has to be the very first thing you do when you wake up.
What's more important-- taking your temp at the same time each day, or taking it as soon as you wake up?
Taking it as soon as you wake up before you do anything, but it is also really important that you're consistent with the time as well.
so... If I decide to take it at 7 am every morning and for example: it's Saturday and I can wake up later, should I set an alarm and take it at 7 am as usual? or wake until, let's say 10 am when I wake up?
and example (or question) #2, what if I went to a party and I felt sleep at 5 am, what should I do? take it at 7 am as always or wait until I wake up?
6:11 hey can you help me? You said that charting temperature can't help you prevent pregnancy because it tells you when you've ovulated.. I'm confused, isn't that why it would actually be helpful for pregnancy prevention?
Taking your temperature is effective because it confirms that ovulation has in fact occured. I would suggest talking your temperature and checking your cervical fluid in conjunction with each other
Soo glad your doing this cux I nearly 20 and need education like this n help
I felt like this before too! I have plenty of resources on my channel as well. Hope that helps x
Does anyone else have to pee first thing in the morning? How do you take your temp first 😅😅😅
Hey Victoria!!! Have you heard of “Ava”?! The ovulation predictor bracelet? Thought it could be cool to combine with FAM... but I only trust your reviews :) can you tell us your thoughts?!
Well, shit. I'm making a lot of these mistakes. You have persuaded me to go back to using condoms until I more thoroughly study Taking Charge of Your Fertility. Thanks for getting my ass in gear.
I have to wake up multiple times throughout the night breastfeeding my daughter so my question is how can I do a more accurate reading when I'm constantly up and down? I'm up every 2 hrs usually. :(
Are you exclusively breastfeeding and have your periods returned yet?
Buy a tempdrop for $150!! Best purchase
U should sleep for about 5hrs straight to take ur temperature
I don’t think this method is good for Flight Attendants lol Our sleep schedule is different, sporadic and constantly disrupted. So, I wonder what I can do!?
what if i don’t have a regular sleep cycle cause of work and don’t wake up at the same time everyday? what shall i do?
I am about to start using the temperature method along with two others. However, I have a question and hope somebody has an answer :) I take my temperature every morning and will see a rise in it after I ovulate. I believe our bodies warm up 12 to 24 hours after we ovulate. But if sperm can live 5 days inside our bodies and an egg lives 1 day, we are most fertile just before and immediately after ovulation. So my question is what's the use of knowing that I've ovulated (because my temperature has gone up) if i was super fertile before then? Seems so risky
I highly recommend learning the sympto-thermal method. Just taking your temp and checking your fluid isn't enough until you learn the rules and guidelines to know whether you're fertile or not.
OIEG Cirencester in my class we were taught that the first 6 cycles of tracking, you just consider yourself fertile since the first day, just to be sure. After that you take the shortest cycle that you’ve had, and subtract 21 days from that amount
so should I put on an alarm to wake me up at the same time every day? because I usually wake up in a time window around 8-10am o clock so... I don't know if I just can take the temperature in any of those moments or if it has to be in the same exact hour everyday...
Another question is: do I have to be absolutely quiet during the 5 minutes I´m taking my temperature? because I have a 3 years old daughter who once she sees me awake she ain´t gonna let me just be there quiet and relaxed for 5 minutes straight haha
I work night shift 3-4 nights a week, any suggestions on how to temp
If you already understand the female hormonal cycle and how ovulation works and happens, is reading a book on it still important to be successful in FAM?
Yes, I definitely recommend taking the time to learn a method thoroughly, whether that's a book like TCOYF or a course.
I’m going to be ordering the Daysy next month! Do you have a recommendation for a book I can order to understand the Daysy method for FAM? 🤗
Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler!
Very thorough tips Victoria! :) Thank you
Why shouldn't opk/strips ? Can you elaborate or did I miss something? I want to get off BC
What if you just don't wake up at the same time every day? I have a school schedule that changes and I take every opportunity to sleep in that I can! Does that mean this method will be ineffective? I hope not because I took birth control pills for 10 years, stopped cold turkey, and it messed up my body for 5 years afterwards. I'm not interested in getting pregnant right now but I'm definitely not interested in any more synthetic birth control hormone pills or devices!
Chelsea Danielle You can set an alarm to the earliest time in the week you wake up, take your temperature, and go back to sleep (except on the day you actually have to wake up ofc lmao)
@@vulgargrape3335 It's not very healthy for you to interrupt your sleep patterns like that... For me, that would be a No-Go :(
Kailee Girl tbh idk what else she could do :/
Hi Victoria! Very explanatory video, Thank you! Do you have an idea what might I be doing wrong with the basal body temprature measuring part? I'm charting it day-by-day under my thongue, and following the rules (plus there is no stress/alcohol/lack of sleeping involved), yet I get quite different results every day. It change a 0,5-0,11 degrees from one day tó another. I've charted a whole cycle and was unable to tell when was the ovulation. I'm using a precision digital thermomether. Thanks for your answer!
What if you wake up different times everyday? When should I take the temperature?
So I have insomnia. I wake up literally 7-10 times a night. So there is no way I could ever do this.
How do mother's with babies do this?! Getting up so many times how do you get an accurate temperature. And then for the discharge, if your partner ejaculates inside you, it can make you discharge different so how can you accurately chart that??? To me this just seems so easily flawed.
The book Taking Charge of your Fertility touches on those subjects to better clarify specifics.
Has running affected your period at all? Just wondering! ❤️
I have one day a week that I go to work at 6 am. There is no way I would be able to wake up at 5 am every morning just because I have to wake up at that time one day out of the week. What do you suggest for this?
Andrea Stankiewicz set an alarm for everyfay at the earliest you ever wake up for you that would be 5am. Take your temperature and if you dont have to wake up yet, go back to bed, if you do wake up and go about your day. That is what I do and it works good!
Don't worry about that one day. There are women (like me) whose temperature does not depent on the time as much. You will propably be able to chart correctly even if one day is earlier than others (or missing). Just be careful when you're close to you're temperature shift/peak day (btw not possible when using a charting computer).
I think what Victoria means is simply that you are not doing yourself a favor by measuring at different times every day. That could end in a chart you can not use.
In general (please do check this for yourself with an instructor or Taking Charge of Your Fertility) your temperature rises one tenth of a degree for every half hour you sleep in. You can adjust your temperature to where it would have read had you woken at the usual time. Generally. And like the gal in the video said, do take it as soon as you wake.
The issue with every day and at the same time... I have my clock that reminds me to take it at 7 but I often wake up way before that so I try to fall back asleep until 7 and then I take it.
If you wake up within 3 hours of your alarm just go ahead and take your temperature then.
Don't see much difference in waking up times.
I've been doing this for about 4 years or more. I always always notice a temperature drop then a significant temperature increase followed by a continuous temperature rise then a temperature drop a day before my menstruation.
(Temperature fluctuations can also happen due to extreme anxiety/stress/illness/weather conditions. )
I don't know this just might be me.
I would love to use the Daysy but am currently 7 months postpartum and have an interrupted sleep cycle every night. Cycles returned after 3 months. Can I use the Daysy even if my sleep is disturbed?
Reading the comments on your last video I thought, 'do they actually listen to anything you say?' 😂 great video love the info👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I been looking into this and i heard the best way to do it it to use all 3 method temp charting and your fluid??? Or did i hear wrong??
Hi I've been looking for that "just keep hollering at me" shirt and I found the homepage but when I click the shirt link it doesn't seem to be there anymore.did they discontinue the shirt?
Thanks for all of your informative videos! Any suggestions for those of us who work night shifts? I work 60% overnights and 40% days. Should I just skip my temp on the overnight days? Or should I take my temp in the afternoon when I get up for work on those days?
I would go ahead and still take your temperature after your night shifts. Just make sure to note that it was a different time than normal.
What if my cycle comes only once in like two and a half months? How can I follow anything? (It's been like that from the start, 13 years).
What do you think of the Mira Fertility Tracker?
I have a specific question about the ovulation test strips. I recently got my implant out and I am very invested in learning a natural birth control method. I’m trying to avoid pregnancy so Would it be okay to double check the days I’m 99% certain I’m not ovulating by using the strips?
Just remember that ovulation test strips can't tell you exactly when you're ovulating (only a transvaginal ultrasound can do that! haha). These test strips detect the presence of LH in your urine. The LH surge generally happens 24-72 hours _before_ ovulation, which happens up to 48 hours (but usually less) before you see a thermal shift. It is possible to have an LH surge but still not ovulate (there's even a type of cyst that occurs because of this). And not all women experience the type of LH surge you see on graphs. I'd recommend reading some scientific articles on LH to understand the complexities. But you can see how the way these time frames overlap make predicting fertility based on LH strips a bit iffy. The time you'd expect to see an LH surge would generally be during your fertile window before ovulation, so if you are using test strips to try to confirm you're NOT fertile, you might be running through a lot of test strips. But they also can't say for certain whether you're fertile. By the FAM rules recommended by Toni in TCOYF, you'll have no more than 3-5 "safe" days in your follicular phase (and those will likely be when you're bleeding). If you're not using LH strips to corroborate your ovulation prediction within a few days of when you expect to ovulate, the only other use I could see is, let's say you think you already ovulated, but it's really iffy for whatever reason (maybe you doubt your temperature's accuracy, maybe the thermal shift was not very big, or maybe you had multiple temp increases that could have been thermal shifts, etc.), maybe by the time you get 4+ days into what you _think_ is your luteal phase, you think it's safe, but you see some cervical mucus that's kinda stretchy and you wonder if maybe you actually didn't ovulate already and maybe this is fertile fluid... I could see how in a scenario like that, maybe an LH strip could be informative... if it were a clear positive (red flag). But I would be wary of relying on that alone. Since sperm can survive up to 5 days, you can still be fertile before LH surges. Also since you're testing urine, things like dehydration & fluid intake could affect results. Drinking a lot of water could help make CM more abundant, but also dilute your urine. And for some women the LH surge happens so fast that it's hard to catch unless you're testing multiple times per day.
I do think they're handy at honing your ovulation prediction skills and helping you understand how your hormones work though. And they could potentially help warn you of delayed ovulation. I'd say it's ok to use them to air on the side of caution, or look for patterns, but not to justify unprotected sex.
Here are a few articles if you're interested:
www.fertstert.org/action/showFullTextImages?pii=S0015-0282%2812%2902135-8
www.avawomen.com/avaworld/long-lh-surge-last/
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0018506X18301661
Can anyone answer, do you ladies when not in your fertile window still use a back method like condom or diaphragm? Or do you use nothing at all in the 'safe' zone?
Allergy medicine can affect your CF?? I never knew this and I've been relying on just that for my BC for the past 6 months!
YO she looks like that girl from “orange is the new black” her name is piper. Look her up
Hi Victoria! Have you heard of the period pain-management device "Livia" - it supposedly works by keeping nerves firing so they cannot be used by as pain receptors. I'd be interested to know your thoughts! For some reason my gut feel was bad about it, but I also take prescription pain medication on the first 2-3 days of my period every month - which isn't good either
Hi. Can you please do a video of a specific method on how to predict when you are fertile or name a website that I could use to educate myself. Thank you.
Sympto-thermal method is my favorite :)
Once you start FAM, can you ever change the time you take your temperature? I am starting this while unemployed and plan on getting up at a certain time, but if I get a job the time could change?
Yes! Just note the first couple days it changes and stay consistent at the new time!
What should I do when I travel to different time zones?
Can I begin tracking periods, and temps etc (fam) WHILE on a non hormonal birth control option like the copper iud?
I’d like to learn more about fam and start tracking / charting but in the beginning stages I’d feel more safe if I was on bc
heyy, as far as i know the iud stops ovulation, so i don't think you would see much happening
This is a late response but *copper* iuds do not affect ovulation and therefore yes - you can track your periods and temps all the same.
Does anyone know about Femometer? and if yes, what are your thoughts? i would love to see a video about it, i use it but i am not sure if it is safe. i educated myself and read a book and some articles, but i still don't trust it completely. Greetings and thank you for this amazing and educational video, xoxo
I need help wit this my chart I was told that My temps were all over the place I don’t know how I follow the rules I believe. What happened when the chart has dotted lines saying you possibly ovulated and than you get a positive opk two days later 🙄😑.
Sorry what was the name of the app you like? Kondaro?
Kindara
Great info! Thanks!
But I'm okay if I use condoms regardless of being fertile or not, right?
How do allergy medications effect your cervical fluid?
I desperately need FAM to work for me after being on BC pill and having a misplaces paragard IUD. I am a nurse and I work days and nights so my sleeping schedule is very inconsistent. Do you think that would make the FAM not work since I would have to take my temperatures at different times??
I think that if you can be as consistent as possible with your rotating schedule you can use FAM. Just make sure you're taking your temperature after 3 hours of consecutive sleep. Even if you wake up at 6 a.m. or 3 p.m.
Ojalá hubiera más de esta info en español
Love this video. Have you heard of Tempdrop?
I've heard a lot of people talking about Tempdrop, and think I might have to get my hands on one for when I start charting again.
Yeah I've been using it for about 6 months and it removes the need to take your own temp in the morning (basically takes your temp many times throughout the night and then identifies your highest one). Plus more affordable than Daisy, I think? I then sync it to its own app to get the final temp and then chart in Lily app. Just thought I'd share for reference :) @@FemmeHead
Okay, so I have a question that has not been addressed (to my knowledge) about the FAM. Sperm can live in the body for a period of days (5). So if you have sex 5 or fewer days before you ovulate, there is a feasible chance that you will become pregnant. Far too feasible for me to risk it. So how can you avoid conception with FAM when sperm poses a threat before ovulation has even begun?
Kailee Girl yes you are right, but FAM definitely addresses this, it’s covered by the ‘rules’ she mentions. When you are within that time before ovulation where sperm could survive you either abstain or use barrier contraception.
@@adzabz444 So how will you know when you're a week before ovulation?
Well, you use things like your BBT (basal body temperature) and cervical fluids. There are changes as you lead up to ovulation and then other changes after you ovulate. You don't necessarily know the exact day you are going to ovulate (beforehand, you can tell for sure once its happened) but you do know when you are potentially fertile. I think the fertile window for most women (with a normal cycle) ends up being about a week, but it depends on your cycle and your BBT/cervical fluids. This is why its so important to follow the 'rules' like she talks about in the video- so you can interpret when you personally are fertile
Thank you so much for the info!
what about clue? it predicts my ovulation on a calendar but it also has temperature and cervical fluid charts. is that reliable enough to use as a contraception method?
Clue relies on a calendar method, which isn't very good at all, so personally I would recommend another app, like kindara (but if it gives you a chart and you're the one interpreting it, any app suits the purpose, just don't trust the ovulation predictions on clue)
~ from my personal research, if I'm wrong please correct me
Thank you for this :) :)
How about someone with sleeping issues? My insomnia is back and if sleeping seriously impacts the temperature, does it mean it's not safe?
Lili F You can rely on your temps as long as you have at least 3H of uninterrupted sleep, temp right after you wake up before doing or saying anything, and around the same time everyday.
alexandra thanks but my problem is the 3 hours of uninterrupted sleep :'D
Lili F How many hours of sleep do you have per night?
I'm on CD 2 but want to start charting, can I start tomorrow or do I have to wait until next cycle?
You can start at any point in your cycle! Go ahead and start :)
Great video!
how should i take my temperature if i work 6:30pm to 7:30am?
Brooke Winland Everyday?
hello! thank you for the great content videos you make! maybe this is a silly question, but just to be sure.. all methods "bring" you to the same results, right? i mean if using TCOYF or sensiplan rules i'll figure out my temperature shift in different ways but they all will lead me to the same TS date.. correct me if i'm wrong please:)
They don't actually. And that's why they have different effectiveness measures as well. TCOYF is 2% failure rate, or 98% effective, sensiplan rules are 99.6% effective (and more restrictive).
angelfoodcake1979 wow! thank you for the suuper important info!!!
I can confirm that: sensiplan® is actually based an a ton of studies and a dedicated research team in Germany is constantly improving it. It is the most effective method for NFP and does differ quite a bit to the TCOYF.
Does any one know why my temps could be all over the place i take them at the same time everyday but they're crazy.
Shawnee Johnston you have to have been asleep at least 3hrs consistently before taking your temp. So although you take it the same time everyday if you’ve already been awake for awhile before taking it your temp will be off.
Bit of a naive question I apologise but did you/do you ever use condoms, if not, why not for you? Been watching a lot of your videos today and I'm really excited to start charting. I don't want to be using condoms forever as it interrupts the flow/ it's wasteful etc. but hormonal birth control is also a big no no. Thank you for all of the information, sorry if you've already answered this somewhere and i've missed it x
Sophie_ Joanne_ I use FAM, mainly I use the Daysy to give me that extra safety. And on the days when you are considered fertile you should either use a barrier method, non penetrative methods or abstain, it's not as wasteful because you'll only be using condoms for a small percentage of the time compared to when you don't track at all.
Has this been a reliable method for you for a while? Thanks for the reply Bryony xxx
Sophie_ Joanne_ I've only been using it a small amount of time but so far, so good. I mainly rely on the Daysy but I would love to know more about how to manually track it too. I know everyone seems to recommend reading Taking charge of your fertility. Hope this helps :)
You can use the Caya diaphragm along with the Caya gel (combined with withdrawal if you're strictly trying to avoid pregnancy) on your fertile days.
I currently have paragard and have really been thinking of taking it out been having a lower Back pain off and on, and discharge😣 I'm interested in FAM can I just take my temp with a normal thermometer? Or do I need the daysy don't really have the funds. I have 2 boys under 2 and want to abstain from more atm. or even point me to another video thanks in advance
I have just had my IUD taken out about a month ago, so I know it can be scary. But I got a crazy infection that just wouldn't heal up with it in, so that's why it had to come out. I hope you find the best way for you to work this. Given the type of question, I think you should definitely get the book 'Taking Charge of Your Fertility' by Toni Weschler. All of these types of questions, and much much more (lots of general female health info is in it too) are answered in it. There's a kindle version for it too, if you need it this right hot minute.
Annalise how long have you had the Paragard? The first three-four months are kinda crampy and painful for most people and loads of discharge is a normal side effect :) talk to your ObGyn if you feel uncomfortable maybe.
Jacqueline Goede about 7 months now, I'm going in on Friday
I wish you the best and that you find a solution :))
Annalise You definitely don't need Daysy, just a Basal Body Temperature thermometer.
Are we allowed to skip temperature on period days
Miss Babe No
Anyone else have they're hair fall out when taking vitex?? And feeling very low?
Lori Bullock If you have any side effects from Vitex, you should stop taking it immediately.
Thanks for making these videos!
I've been doing FAM... but as I've been tracking my cycle, I'm concerned they're a bit short. 26 days in the past few months, with three days of bleeding (but in the 100 ml range in those three days--which seems like too much!). I'm wondering if this is normal or not, or if my hormones are a bit out of wack. Thinking about taking vitex as a means to sort out a hormonal imbalance, but I'd like to learn as much as I can before I do this. (Not trying to get pregnant atm, though!)
Anyone in this comments section have thoughts for me?? :D
Marary R 100ml is indeed too much, you should only lose up to 80ml. But it's a small difference, so you probably don't have to worry :) for some women, taking Ibuprofen while they're on their periods reduces their menstrual flow. It never worked for me, but you have nothing to lose x)
This is all so interesting. I havent been on birth control for 7 years but I havent charted or tracked anything. We just use condoms and I guess blind faith and intuition hahahah and that works for me but I would like to start charting to learn about my body because I feel like they didnt teach shit in health class?
Haha, no I don't feel like I was taught much of anything in health class. I definitely recommend learning how to chart. It's eye-opening!
awesome video
Is the clue app considered FAM or rhythmic?
Anna A no, it’s just a period tracker
How’s your life going?? I miss you
Hi!!! Love the video! I'd love to start using Daysy, but I have a question, hopefully someone could help me :)
I work as a baker 4 days a weeks, what means that I don't have a exactly hour of waking up every day, sometimes it could be a 2 am, 7 am or 9 am. Will Daysy work for me? I really want to know before to invest that amount of money on it.
Thank you.
Don’t use daysy. Track your own cycle and watch for cervical fluid, position, and temp. Daysy is not reliable they retracted their 99.4% accuracy claim.
Hi there, what reliable sources (articles, websites, books) can you recommend to learn more about the temperature method?
Taking Charge of Your Fertility. Plus I have plenty of videos talking about other books on my channel.
Fam!!
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