I went through all of this in the 1990s. Finding a recruiter who will work with any officer candidate, both OCS or WOFT, is very challenging. My recommendation is to have your letters of recommendation in hand, your transcripts and your essay completed. When you walk into a recruiting office you can show the recruiter that you've done the basics. Already be studying for the SIFT (in my time it as the AFAST) and let him or her know that you've been preparing. Recruiters get extra points for successfully submitting a WOFT or OCS candidate, so it can be attractive for those who believe in you. Just make it as easy on them as you can. In my case, the Captain from the local recruiting district came up and had a mock selection board with me, gave me pointers about how to sit and address the board, etc. I already had a college degree at the time so one thing I learned is that if you have some college experience that can be a bonus for selection.
@@SFphotopince Well to be fair, I think the Air Force is probably worse when it comes to recruiting officer candidates from the street. I'm in several flying groups and a lot applicants for OTS post that the recruiters ghost them for months after they get all of their paperwork ready. My understanding is that there's only one officer recruiter per region and a lot of candidates come to them. Honestly I've found that the Navy and Marine Corps probably do it the best, they both have dedicated officer recruiting offices (usually near major universities) and their sole purpose is to work with officer candidate applicants. The Navy has generally been putting officer candidates into OCS from the street on a fairly regular basis, some aren't even waiting very long for selection. The Army is a bigger service with more needs, I wish they'd do something similar.
How the hell do you get letters of recommendation when you come from a broke family with zero connections? Never had a real job, only took college classes online because family too poor to afford a car so I can drive to class/work. This sounds like a situation for privileged white people. I’m 25 already, where the hell do I get any of that?
I was a high school to flight school guy. I was accepted in 1989, I was an Embry-Riddle college grad. The only differences that I have noted from then to now is, the reason why you want to become a Warrant letter was handwritten and in cursive. The other was your MOS going to Army basic was 09W.Addationally in my day you were a candidate for a full year with very little privileges, we all lived on Rucker in the barracks including the married WOC's, you could move off Rucker until you were a Junior WOC and after submitting a Memorandum of why you needed to move off post. I retired from the Army as a Master Aviator rated in the UH-1H, UH-60A/L/M.IP/SP/MP/ME. Des appointed ME, 26 years of Warrant service and over 7,500 hrs in the Hawk. I retired from the Army at Redstone Arsenal working for the PM of UHPO. If most of don't know what office it is who really runs the aviation programs (PEO Aviation), AMCOM is nothing more than a used parts outlet.
89? So then you must remember Cosby and the game room, along with the turtle ditches. I got smoked by that guy in Candidate school in my dress greens for just coming close to walking on his grass. The moth funeral, too.
Currently a Blackhawk mechanic Iv watched all your videos and talked to the pilots in my unit and I’m wanting to drop my packet and try to fly Blackhawks A/L
Nice job Great info. I went the high school to flight school route myself in 1979 (yes I knew the Wright brothers) and it served me well. i completed my degree through Embry Riddle while on active duty and as my initial contract with the Army ended I let the USAF spend a couple million dollars training me to to go warp snot with my hair on fire in fast movers! All in all, a life changing run and an unbelievable experience. the Warrant Officer route was awesome but I see that it has changed dramatically since 1979. My advice is check out both tracks and see which works best for you. Most importantly always remember.......................If you ain't a SCOUT PILOT you ain't s**t !!!!!!!!!
I really appreciate this video. I'm currently a e4 in the army NG as a 91-F. I really want to get into aviation as a pilot. I've asked and I keep getting told that it requires a college degree and I've look and other places say it doesn't. I'm glad to find this video explaining everything anx laying it out because it helps alot. Thank you for the video
Hey brother I am E4 NG 31B starting my journey to becoming warrant aviation after serving almost 4 years. I received a 109 GT score so my first step is to retake my ASVAB for at least a 110
I'm sixteen, and looking to become a warrant officer. This information is extremely helpful for me, so thank you very much for making it! I'm looking for every piece of information that I can find about it.
In 1985, the selection test was called a FAST test (flight aptitude selection test). the max score was 140, I got a 120 and still did not get picked up, My GT Score was 123. I was an active-duty Military Policeman. I was a Sargeant as well. So, I guess it's changed. I really wanted to go but it was not my destiny. I ended up as a Federal Investigator GS-1811 and retired as a GS-13. After 9/11 I did mostly Counter Terrorism work. I was HSI. Also, the guy forgot to tell you about WOC-D which really sucked. Go check that out. So good luck.
100%! Glad you enjoyed the video, already worth it to make if you valued it. And yes, 100%. Commissioned officers make a bit more $$, but if you want to fly and be the subject matter expert on flying.. warrant is the way to go for sure.
I saw this first hand when I was stationed in Korea. The Warrant Officers had titles like IP, SIP, and safety. Commissioned officers had to perform leadership duties like XO, CO, S-1, S-2, etc. Flying seemed secondary.
Hello! I scored over 110GT on my Asvab, about to go to meps. Then the SIFT, flight physical, and my packet. It’s definitely a slow process but I’m all in. Thank you for your videos!
@@PresidentLunt Hey! Went to MEPS and failed. They didn’t like my Hyperthyroid, and they denied the waiver. I was super bummed because I tested so high and all that was holding me back was a medical condition. Thank you for asking for an update though! Currently pursing a nursing degree, which was my plan B.
@@rehamtommi2280 Absolutely, no gatekeeping here. For the SIFT, I took a different approach, but for the ASVAB: GrammarHero on TH-cam, there are so many helpful videos. I don't sponsor him, but he has a website with practice ASVAB tests and questions. On top of all of that, it's all free! I also used the famous purple Kaplan ASVAB book and referred to the "ASVAB for Dummies" book. Setting aside a couple hours a day for a month and a half got me that score. Remember to take breaks between studying and using blue light glasses! I hope this helps, and best of luck to you out there! :)
Enjoyed your video very much. Brought back lots of memories. I was drafted during the Vietnam era…1967. During Basic Training we were offered opportunities to sign up for various branches. I signed up for the WOFT program. Our version of the SIFT was called the FAST. That and passing a Class I flight physical was all it took. There was no need to get a letter of recommendation or any other qualifiers. So off to flight training I went…to Ft Wolters, TX for primary in the TH-55, then to Hunter AAF for advanced training, all in the Huey. In those days classes were split…some went to Hunter, the other half to Rucker. After graduating I was selected to go to Cobra school. Flew Cobras in Vietnam, became a Cobra IP back at Hunter. Took a direct commission and eventually retired as an LTC, AVN Branch.
Great video, I keep sending this to every person I know who wants to go Warrant. Although I will say the commissioned route was great for me, but it takes a lot of effort to be an effective unit manager and proficient pilot at the same time as I’m sure you are aware. Keep up the great work brother, you are inspiring and motivating many!
Note!!! You must have a GT Score of 110 nonwaivable as well. If you don't have that I suggest if you are currently serving active duty, you should go to BSEP to up your GT Score.
I’m at the very absolute beginning of this process. Like day one lol. Prior Air Force trying to pursue my dream of flying. This video and the links are super helpful. Thank you!
@@TheToradora97 so my journey has been incredibly frustrating. I did all the requirements for my flight physical, went to MEPS, the whole thing. On the first flight physical, the nurse ordered an xray for my back. Did that, they said I had kyphosis and I would have to wait a year to do another one. So here I am, doing all the requirements all over again. My recruiter has never done a Street to Seat before so he isn’t helpful at all. Doing it pretty much on my own. There is a TON of paperwork for the package. Your recommendation letters need to be from people like SQ CC and equivalent if possible. From what i saw, most candidates selected have a SIFT score of 60 or higher and almost all have a Bachelor’s Degree. I’ve learned a lot about this whole process over the last year so if you have any questions I’ll definitely tell you what I know!
When I was drafted into the Army in 1968 I was given the opportunity to attend OCS, WOFT and the West Point Preparatory Academy. I would have chosen the academy but I found I would have been too old when I graduated from West Point so that was out. Chose OCS and graduated Aug 1969 class 27-69. Released from active duty as Captain in Mar 1972.
Thank you for this video! I’m currently at AIT for flight operations and I’m looking to drop my packet in about a year and a half after I get my bachelors. You’re not wrong about 10 years being detrimental to army aviation. The main reason I joined the army was to get into flight school and after experiencing some of the “joys” the army can give you I’m a bit nervous to commit 10 years but it’s my dream so I hope I go through with it when the time comes. Thanks again!
Good informative video. I would say as a current naval aviator you made the right choice being commissioned over warrant. I’d take 0-1 over W-1 anyday…especially if you plan on making a career out if it. Both fields are very rewarding though.
I went the opposite route…since I didn’t have a degree at the time, and was drafted, the WO route was my only option. Later I applied for and was accepted as a commissioned officer. The Army is different, though. Army commissioned officers find that their hours in the cockpit become limited. Our WOs are the backbone of Army Aviation. As commissioned officers we spend more time in leadership roles, especially as we move up in rank, and less time in the cockpit. So, a senior WO will still be focused on aviating, an officer will be focused on leadership, commanding, supervision, training development and execution. I was always glad to get out and fly, but my performance was evaluated primarily on how good I did my job as officer, not so much on my flying skills. I was always jealous of Naval and Air Force aviators as they could do all those things…but hey…was always proud I had my wings working my way up to becoming a Master Army Aviator! Hooah!
Been going through this for awhile. Longest wait is the flight physical due to Rucker / Novosel being back logged, mine took about 3 months to complete. I have buddies that have been waiting for 4+ months. You need a minimum of a 110 GT score. No waivers. Pass your SIFT, you only get 2 chances EVER. I never meet anyone that has taken it more than once. If you are a NCO, make sure you have ALL your NCOERs and hopefully they are good. If you have poor NCOERs have really really strong LORs.
I’m currently deployed rn and I’m really wanting to drop a flight packet and go warrant can you give me any more tips? I’m curious how your progress is going to
You're right about the recruiters. They just don't seem interested at all in helping with a warrant officer packet. I'm going through this dilemma now, and I'm even here at Bragg.... Army everywhere and it's still difficult.
When I joined in the late '80s I had asked the MEPs recruiter about becoming a helicopter pilot, remembering the 'Right out of high school to flight school' commercials the Army had at one time. I was told it wasn't an option. Maybe not at the time. I scored well on the ASVAB. It wouldn't be the first time a recruiter lied...
Excellent video. Wish something like this had been available in ‘77. 😅 Amazed how many similarities still exist. I had dropped out of the UofA in my junior yr. Went to the Swan St Recruiting office. After telling them I wanted flight school they took a few moments to collect themselves before they got down to business. After I got all the requirements and paperwork met I had to wait because all 6 slots for Az had been filled. Did my flight physical at DM and the flight surgeon asked if I was heading to the Air Force Academy. He seemed perplexed that I was going to Rucker. 😮 I made the cut for the next year but no deferred entry until a school date. I lost a year before a date was finally given. Only got 6 mo deferred. Hit basic at almost the perfect time of year, Sept at Ft Dicks NJ. The heat was subsiding and got out of there before the snow. In-processed at mutha’ Rucker and put a yellow hat on. First assignment was the 3ID in Deutschland in Oct ‘80 flying Hueybagos. Short stint in OH58A but did the rest of my career in Hueys. High point was Medevac for a tour. Also Desert Storm. Sadly only 16 yrs, was a victim of the Klinton drawdown in ‘95 and early retired. Now I just tell “there I was stories.” 😁
Thank you Christopher! And that’s perfect, that’s the time to start making moves towards it. You can apply in 2 years. I’ve known a couple pilots who got picked up as a warrant officer pilot at 18!
USA Retired. In 4/1968 I was drafted. After testing and processing I was submitted to Sargents who's job was to get you to enlist, and I did so I could control my future. I was told I could be anything I wanted to be in the Army, but they only had openings for infantry, artillery, armor, and warrant officer's. 4 year commitment. Flight school required 2 tours of 'Nam, so I didn't take that, though I wanted to be a pilot. I chose SF - what a dumb ass - I had to jump out of aircraft. I won't bore you with my very interesting short career after I got into a fight with a Full Bird. I only wanted to point out that I didn't have to go thru any of the stuff they put you through today to be an officer and or a pilot. You just had to say you wanted to do it. I am 75 now and still want to be a pilot so as soon as I can pass the medical it's off to get my license. Bravo to you guys who are just going straight into flight training.
Hmmm…I was drafted in April 1967, started WOFT in July 1967. Then it was a 3-year commitment. Most of us went to Vietnam, but a select few went to Germany or S. Korea…and never made it to Vietnam.
If you submit and you don't get selected the first time, you get an automatic second look. If you don't get selected on your 2nd look then you are deemed Non-competitive Non-select and you'll wait a full year from the time your DA61 was signed. So don't be discouraged if you don't get selected on your first go. Talk to a recruiter and update your board file for your second look.
Does the process change at all when my contract is up? Worried that since I have a year left, it's 50/50 that I get selected and if I don't, would have to apply for civilian WOFT program? Only thing I can think of is having to re-up to keep trying at it.
During my senior year in college I took the written tests for Army Warrant Officer Flight Training and failed them outright. Oddly enough, I received very high scores on the AQT/FAR, the Navy's tests for pilot applicants. Go figure.
What is the tattoo policy for the program? I'm enlisted 18x currently. My hand tattoos were approved by the army when I enlisted but I'd like to know if I can apply for the pilot program.
You get the flight physical prior to submitting the packet for Warrant Officer correct ? Are you able to get that flight physical ahead of time if I were to choose to go the commission route? I’m looking into all of my options but I want to make sure I’m actually medically qualified before I start the process.
It’s just leftover racist nonsense. People from the lower classes can’t get these. I’m a smart person. I have a top percentile law school entrance exam score on record, but I’m a broke kid from immigrant parents and I have ZERO connections. This LOR crap feels like it’s designed to keep people like me out and give all the opportunity to privileged middle class whites.
Dude. You have to be white and middle class. Can’t see this happening any other way unless it was a war time period and they desperately needed more people
Both Commissioned Officers and Warrant Officers must maintain the minimum hours as pilots. Officer Evaluation Reports never mention pilot tasks. All officers are evaluated on how well they perform additional duties and their can be many. OERs are evaluated and scored by promotion boards. For aviation warrant officers, the quicker you get tracked into instructor pilot or safety officer, the better. These Warrant Officers are not given any additional duties because their jobs do not allow the time. I was a warrant officer for 8 years on active duty. Not becoming an IP or safety officer hurt my career and I was passed over for promotion to CW3.
Thanks for the video, you made it very easy to understand. Do you know if the steps are any different when trying to go for fixed wing as opposed to helicopter?
It’s the same entry process. Once selected the Army will decide which track you’ll pursue. You might be able to express a preference, but the Army will decide. Very, very few go to FW training. I’d recommend staying in RW because of greater opportunities and assignments…work on FW on your own time. It’s all good!
It's like dragonpilot said. Everyone going to Army flight school goes through and becomes rotary wing rated. Upon graduation, there is an opportunity to attend fixed wing training. It would most likely be the C-12 (military version of the KingAir, I believe) that the Army primary operates, although there are some others. Other transitions would include the Chinook, Apache, etc. Sometime around graduation, I think you could put in a dream sheet, but very few get fixed wing. Around 1 or so each graduating class, although you could always be selected later in your career. Needs of the Army and, of course, who you know. Sometimes, it's just pure luck and timing. Most of my friends who went fixed wing though said they missed flying rotary.
was an 11b and got out to go to college. boutta graduate this spring and thinking of going this route. it is quite a daunting task to get this packet all situated, but this video helped!
If I want to do this through the national guard would I have to go to flight school full time? Or is there a once or twice a month program? I work full time.
Hey I don’t know if you will see this but I’m currently in ROTC and I’m wondering the best way to get in contact with multiple guard aviation units to apply to see if they have slots. Any advice would be great!
Do you have to be a certain rank before they accept you? I just enlisted in october for army national guard, soon as i'm done basic and ait school I want to drop a packet but my question is, if i'm only a pv2 or pfc is my chances lower? I also have previous flight experience, would that help any.
It's all the same process, however, fixed wing is not guaranteed. After you complete the initial flight training in UH-72, your class will have a selection day. Every class is different. There were no available slots for fixed wing when my class selected.
Thus was literally so helpful. Warrant officer helo pilot is what I've been looking into. You mentioned the street to seat option or from already enlisted members but I left the navy, I'm civilian now, what are the chances of me getting in? My re entry code require a waiver.
Oh Lielvārde base! @Damion Bailey do you know if it’s possible to join US army and work there as a pilot if you’re currently a pilot in other country’s military?
Yes absolutely, just look up the requirements, like getting a flight physical, call a flight department at a military hospital and schedule it. SIFT, call a ROTC program and go take it there ect.. you don’t need a recruiter.
Hey Damion your videos have been super helpful and informative. I am going a route similar to yours. ROTC to a National guard Aviation unit in Colorado. Do you have any information on commissioned officers transitioning to warrant officer? Is that something that happens? How hard is the process?
I was supposed to leave for October start date and flight school date march 2025...but I got a concussion at JRTC flight surgeon rescinded their decision and disqualified me... What is next?
Very informative video Sir, when is the earliest time as a commissioned officer that you can switch to warrant? do you have to wait until the ADSO is completed?
If you are branched as an Aviation Officer there is a Milper message released every year outlining the process. As a non-Aviation Officer there is not time limit. You actually need a wavier if you have over 48 months of service. You will be required to get a few more documents than a standard packet to include a branch release and resignation of Commision. All the documents can be found on the Warrant Officer recuriting website. You can only apply to the May and November boards. As for ADSO's you will have to submit a wavier when you are going through the REFRAD process through HRC after being selected.
Thanks for the video! Super helpful. Just curious, I am set to meet with an Army recruiter next week for the first time. I have been studying for the SIFT for the last month. However, is it required to take the ASVAB first? I’ve gotten conflicting answers I’m my research
It doesn't. The primary route is rotary wing. Everyone goes through Rotary Wing Qual. If you're lucky, you might pick up a fixed wing transition after graduation. Most of the Army fixed wing aircraft are C12's, although they do have some other types. Most of my friends who went into a fixed wing follow-on transition said that they missed flying helicopters, though.
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I am going through this now. Can confirm the process can take over a year...😀 I've got some vids up especially if you're looking for more on that age waiver 🤝
Any prior service is fine, just watch your age, they don't always issue waivers, our Command is not keen on it. Enlisted rank is immaterial also, you don't have to be an E5 for WOFT
I am making the switch from Air Force. If anyone would like info or advice feel free to reach out. My biggest piece of advice is just be willing to do everything yourself and be diligent at sourcing the people and documents you need.
@@HashSlingingtrades I’m an enlisted aviator (a back seater, not a pilot) so fortunately I got a lot of aviation experience there. Otherwise, I only have 10 hours of actual civilian flight time.
@@zacharypennington1868 do you think doing this program straight out of high school is a bad idea? I want to fly in the military regardless, but I'm not sure if 10 years off the bat is a bad idea or not
I actually will once my time as a captain is up. I have about 4 more years and then I’ll transition over to being a warrant. Chief Bailey has a nice ring to it 🤣
@@rico4658rico I am currently getting the last bit of my things together for the board in March, can I get some info as to what your packet looked like that way I can have a comparison of what the packet of someone who got in looks like?
Absolutely not. You are, however, promoted to E-5 (Warrant Officer Candidate) upon entry to WOC School, if you are not an E-5 already. If you are E-6 or higher, you retain that grade until appointment as a W-1.
@terryheo3464 SERE-C, you get to go to Camp Slappy. I think they changed it to before flight school now, so if you wash out, they aren't sending you to flight school. If you're high school to flight school, as they call it, you probably either get reclassed to a new MOS or separated, not sure. Just don't wash out, and you won't have to find out. It was not a requirement when I went in '89, but I had gone to Jungle School in Panama, so when for a short time, they were trying to make everyone go, they didn't really bother me.
@terryheo3464 Sorry, I didn't get back sooner. Yes, you do. I can't speak to it as I never went, wasn't required in '89. For a time, anyone who hadn't gone, had to go before attending advanced schooling, but I had Jungle Survival School under my belt, so I was waived. Much has changed over the years, but it's like anything else in the Military, you just shrug and deal with it.
Dude. How TF do you even get letters of recommendation. I don’t know anyone. I come from a lower class family, what college I have was all online… where do you even begin to look? I want to be an aviator more than anything but this just feels unfair and gives advantage to well off people with connections.
I just got accepted into WOFT. I’m going to enlist this Thursday. Thank you for these videos!
Im 18 I also want to do this🔥
Congratulations! Study hard! Graduate with high marks and you might get selected to attend AH-64 or CH-47 transition.
Mind if i send you a pm? I have some questions that sure could use some answers
Sure! I’ve been off grid for a week.
How is it?
I went through all of this in the 1990s. Finding a recruiter who will work with any officer candidate, both OCS or WOFT, is very challenging. My recommendation is to have your letters of recommendation in hand, your transcripts and your essay completed. When you walk into a recruiting office you can show the recruiter that you've done the basics. Already be studying for the SIFT (in my time it as the AFAST) and let him or her know that you've been preparing. Recruiters get extra points for successfully submitting a WOFT or OCS candidate, so it can be attractive for those who believe in you. Just make it as easy on them as you can. In my case, the Captain from the local recruiting district came up and had a mock selection board with me, gave me pointers about how to sit and address the board, etc. I already had a college degree at the time so one thing I learned is that if you have some college experience that can be a bonus for selection.
I agree with this
hah that's prolly why army retention is trash now. none of the recruiters are professional.
@@SFphotopince Well to be fair, I think the Air Force is probably worse when it comes to recruiting officer candidates from the street. I'm in several flying groups and a lot applicants for OTS post that the recruiters ghost them for months after they get all of their paperwork ready. My understanding is that there's only one officer recruiter per region and a lot of candidates come to them. Honestly I've found that the Navy and Marine Corps probably do it the best, they both have dedicated officer recruiting offices (usually near major universities) and their sole purpose is to work with officer candidate applicants. The Navy has generally been putting officer candidates into OCS from the street on a fairly regular basis, some aren't even waiting very long for selection. The Army is a bigger service with more needs, I wish they'd do something similar.
How the hell do you get letters of recommendation when you come from a broke family with zero connections? Never had a real job, only took college classes online because family too poor to afford a car so I can drive to class/work. This sounds like a situation for privileged white people. I’m 25 already, where the hell do I get any of that?
I did all this back during paper and phone days. I'm still surprised that I got accepted, coming from the Marines! I flew for 16 years, retired CW4.
I was a high school to flight school guy. I was accepted in 1989, I was an Embry-Riddle college grad. The only differences that I have noted from then to now is, the reason why you want to become a Warrant letter was handwritten and in cursive. The other was your MOS going to Army basic was 09W.Addationally in my day you were a candidate for a full year with very little privileges, we all lived on Rucker in the barracks including the married WOC's, you could move off Rucker until you were a Junior WOC and after submitting a Memorandum of why you needed to move off post. I retired from the Army as a Master Aviator rated in the UH-1H, UH-60A/L/M.IP/SP/MP/ME. Des appointed ME, 26 years of Warrant service and over 7,500 hrs in the Hawk. I retired from the Army at Redstone Arsenal working for the PM of UHPO. If most of don't know what office it is who really runs the aviation programs (PEO Aviation), AMCOM is nothing more than a used parts outlet.
89? So then you must remember Cosby and the game room, along with the turtle ditches. I got smoked by that guy in Candidate school in my dress greens for just coming close to walking on his grass. The moth funeral, too.
Forever an eagle 🦅
Currently a Blackhawk mechanic Iv watched all your videos and talked to the pilots in my unit and I’m wanting to drop my packet and try to fly Blackhawks A/L
Go get it brother.
What’s your mos bro ? 15T ?
This was very well done, young man. You're a good public speaker.
Nice job
Great info. I went the high school to flight school route myself in 1979 (yes I knew the Wright brothers) and it served me well.
i completed my degree through Embry Riddle while on active duty and as my initial contract with the Army ended I let the USAF spend a couple million dollars training me to to go warp snot with my hair on fire in fast movers! All in all, a life changing run and an unbelievable experience. the Warrant Officer route was awesome but I see that it has changed dramatically since 1979. My advice is check out both tracks and see which works best for you.
Most importantly always remember.......................If you ain't a SCOUT PILOT you ain't s**t !!!!!!!!!
I really appreciate this video. I'm currently a e4 in the army NG as a 91-F. I really want to get into aviation as a pilot. I've asked and I keep getting told that it requires a college degree and I've look and other places say it doesn't. I'm glad to find this video explaining everything anx laying it out because it helps alot. Thank you for the video
Hey brother I am E4 NG 31B starting my journey to becoming warrant aviation after serving almost 4 years. I received a 109 GT score so my first step is to retake my ASVAB for at least a 110
I'm sixteen, and looking to become a warrant officer. This information is extremely helpful for me, so thank you very much for making it! I'm looking for every piece of information that I can find about it.
In 1985, the selection test was called a FAST test (flight aptitude selection test). the max score was 140, I got a 120 and still did not get picked up, My GT Score was 123. I was an active-duty Military Policeman. I was a Sargeant as well. So, I guess it's changed. I really wanted to go but it was not my destiny. I ended up as a Federal Investigator GS-1811 and retired as a GS-13. After 9/11 I did mostly Counter Terrorism work. I was HSI. Also, the guy forgot to tell you about WOC-D which really sucked. Go check that out. So good luck.
Video was super helpful! Warrant Officer definitely seems like the route to take.
100%! Glad you enjoyed the video, already worth it to make if you valued it. And yes, 100%. Commissioned officers make a bit more $$, but if you want to fly and be the subject matter expert on flying.. warrant is the way to go for sure.
I saw this first hand when I was stationed in Korea. The Warrant Officers had titles like IP, SIP, and safety. Commissioned officers had to perform leadership duties like XO, CO, S-1, S-2, etc. Flying seemed secondary.
Hello! I scored over 110GT on my Asvab, about to go to meps. Then the SIFT, flight physical, and my packet. It’s definitely a slow process but I’m all in. Thank you for your videos!
Update plz
@@PresidentLunt Hey! Went to MEPS and failed. They didn’t like my Hyperthyroid, and they denied the waiver. I was super bummed because I tested so high and all that was holding me back was a medical condition. Thank you for asking for an update though! Currently pursing a nursing degree, which was my plan B.
May I ask what helped you to score that high on your ASVAB?
@@rehamtommi2280I know you asked the OP but, I scored 121GT and 89AFQT. Just use the study books like ASVAB for dummies
@@rehamtommi2280 Absolutely, no gatekeeping here. For the SIFT, I took a different approach, but for the ASVAB: GrammarHero on TH-cam, there are so many helpful videos. I don't sponsor him, but he has a website with practice ASVAB tests and questions. On top of all of that, it's all free! I also used the famous purple Kaplan ASVAB book and referred to the "ASVAB for Dummies" book. Setting aside a couple hours a day for a month and a half got me that score. Remember to take breaks between studying and using blue light glasses! I hope this helps, and best of luck to you out there! :)
Enjoyed your video very much. Brought back lots of memories. I was drafted during the Vietnam era…1967. During Basic Training we were offered opportunities to sign up for various branches. I signed up for the WOFT program. Our version of the SIFT was called the FAST. That and passing a Class I flight physical was all it took. There was no need to get a letter of recommendation or any other qualifiers. So off to flight training I went…to Ft Wolters, TX for primary in the TH-55, then to Hunter AAF for advanced training, all in the Huey. In those days classes were split…some went to Hunter, the other half to Rucker. After graduating I was selected to go to Cobra school. Flew Cobras in Vietnam, became a Cobra IP back at Hunter. Took a direct commission and eventually retired as an LTC, AVN Branch.
Great video, I keep sending this to every person I know who wants to go Warrant. Although I will say the commissioned route was great for me, but it takes a lot of effort to be an effective unit manager and proficient pilot at the same time as I’m sure you are aware. Keep up the great work brother, you are inspiring and motivating many!
Note!!! You must have a GT Score of 110 nonwaivable as well.
If you don't have that I suggest if you are currently serving active duty, you should go to BSEP to up your GT Score.
I’m at the very absolute beginning of this process. Like day one lol. Prior Air Force trying to pursue my dream of flying. This video and the links are super helpful. Thank you!
How's it for you? Did you make it? I'm also on day one..6 years Air Force SSgt trying to cross into the WO pilot life 😅
@@TheToradora97 so my journey has been incredibly frustrating. I did all the requirements for my flight physical, went to MEPS, the whole thing. On the first flight physical, the nurse ordered an xray for my back. Did that, they said I had kyphosis and I would have to wait a year to do another one.
So here I am, doing all the requirements all over again. My recruiter has never done a Street to Seat before so he isn’t helpful at all. Doing it pretty much on my own.
There is a TON of paperwork for the package. Your recommendation letters need to be from people like SQ CC and equivalent if possible. From what i saw, most candidates selected have a SIFT score of 60 or higher and almost all have a Bachelor’s Degree.
I’ve learned a lot about this whole process over the last year so if you have any questions I’ll definitely tell you what I know!
When I was drafted into the Army in 1968 I was given the opportunity to attend OCS, WOFT and the West Point Preparatory Academy. I would have chosen the academy but I found I would have been too old when I graduated from West Point so that was out. Chose OCS and graduated Aug 1969 class 27-69.
Released from active duty as Captain in Mar 1972.
10 years whew that’s a long time I’m ok if it was 6 maybe
Thank you for this video! I’m currently at AIT for flight operations and I’m looking to drop my packet in about a year and a half after I get my bachelors. You’re not wrong about 10 years being detrimental to army aviation. The main reason I joined the army was to get into flight school and after experiencing some of the “joys” the army can give you I’m a bit nervous to commit 10 years but it’s my dream so I hope I go through with it when the time comes. Thanks again!
Go for it and don't look back
Good informative video. I would say as a current naval aviator you made the right choice being commissioned over warrant. I’d take 0-1 over W-1 anyday…especially if you plan on making a career out if it. Both fields are very rewarding though.
I went the opposite route…since I didn’t have a degree at the time, and was drafted, the WO route was my only option. Later I applied for and was accepted as a commissioned officer. The Army is different, though. Army commissioned officers find that their hours in the cockpit become limited. Our WOs are the backbone of Army Aviation. As commissioned officers we spend more time in leadership roles, especially as we move up in rank, and less time in the cockpit. So, a senior WO will still be focused on aviating, an officer will be focused on leadership, commanding, supervision, training development and execution. I was always glad to get out and fly, but my performance was evaluated primarily on how good I did my job as officer, not so much on my flying skills. I was always jealous of Naval and Air Force aviators as they could do all those things…but hey…was always proud I had my wings working my way up to becoming a Master Army Aviator! Hooah!
Been going through this for awhile. Longest wait is the flight physical due to Rucker / Novosel being back logged, mine took about 3 months to complete. I have buddies that have been waiting for 4+ months.
You need a minimum of a 110 GT score. No waivers.
Pass your SIFT, you only get 2 chances EVER. I never meet anyone that has taken it more than once.
If you are a NCO, make sure you have ALL your NCOERs and hopefully they are good. If you have poor NCOERs have really really strong LORs.
I’m currently deployed rn and I’m really wanting to drop a flight packet and go warrant can you give me any more tips? I’m curious how your progress is going to
Just finished 4 years active duty infantry. Getting out to join border patrol but I'll be reenlisting in the NG to fly helis.
I’m currently on my 6 year contract and I wanted to go aviation butttt that 10 year obligation is holding me back frfr
No you should go and don't look back. 10 years is nothing. You don't want to hit 40 and regret not making the jump.
You're right about the recruiters. They just don't seem interested at all in helping with a warrant officer packet. I'm going through this dilemma now, and I'm even here at Bragg.... Army everywhere and it's still difficult.
10yrs AND unlike other WO MOS's your time in grade for CW2 plus service obligation don't start until flight school completion.
How long is flight school?
When I joined in the late '80s I had asked the MEPs recruiter about becoming a helicopter pilot, remembering the 'Right out of high school to flight school' commercials the Army had at one time. I was told it wasn't an option. Maybe not at the time. I scored well on the ASVAB. It wouldn't be the first time a recruiter lied...
Excellent video. Wish something like this had been available in ‘77. 😅
Amazed how many similarities still exist.
I had dropped out of the UofA in my junior yr. Went to the Swan St Recruiting office. After telling them I wanted flight school they took a few moments to collect themselves before they got down to business.
After I got all the requirements and paperwork met I had to wait because all 6 slots for Az had been filled. Did my flight physical at DM and the flight surgeon asked if I was heading to the Air Force Academy. He seemed perplexed that I was going to Rucker. 😮
I made the cut for the next year but no deferred entry until a school date. I lost a year before a date was finally given. Only got 6 mo deferred. Hit basic at almost the perfect time of year, Sept at Ft Dicks NJ. The heat was subsiding and got out of there before the snow.
In-processed at mutha’ Rucker and put a yellow hat on. First assignment was the 3ID in Deutschland in Oct ‘80 flying Hueybagos. Short stint in OH58A but did the rest of my career in Hueys. High point was Medevac for a tour. Also Desert Storm.
Sadly only 16 yrs, was a victim of the Klinton drawdown in ‘95 and early retired. Now I just tell “there I was stories.” 😁
I’m 70 so, but you were informative and entertaining.
Great video! Im 16 but have goals of being a MEDEVAC Pilot!
Thank you Christopher! And that’s perfect, that’s the time to start making moves towards it. You can apply in 2 years. I’ve known a couple pilots who got picked up as a warrant officer pilot at 18!
When I did this back in the early 80s it was called the FAST test to get into WOFT.
USA Retired. In 4/1968 I was drafted. After testing and processing I was submitted to Sargents who's job was to get you to enlist, and I did so I could control my future. I was told I could be anything I wanted to be in the Army, but they only had openings for infantry, artillery, armor, and warrant officer's. 4 year commitment. Flight school required 2 tours of 'Nam, so I didn't take that, though I wanted to be a pilot. I chose SF - what a dumb ass - I had to jump out of aircraft. I won't bore you with my very interesting short career after I got into a fight with a Full Bird. I only wanted to point out that I didn't have to go thru any of the stuff they put you through today to be an officer and or a pilot. You just had to say you wanted to do it. I am 75 now and still want to be a pilot so as soon as I can pass the medical it's off to get my license. Bravo to you guys who are just going straight into flight training.
Hmmm…I was drafted in April 1967, started WOFT in July 1967. Then it was a 3-year commitment. Most of us went to Vietnam, but a select few went to Germany or S. Korea…and never made it to Vietnam.
If you submit and you don't get selected the first time, you get an automatic second look. If you don't get selected on your 2nd look then you are deemed Non-competitive Non-select and you'll wait a full year from the time your DA61 was signed. So don't be discouraged if you don't get selected on your first go. Talk to a recruiter and update your board file for your second look.
Does the process change at all when my contract is up? Worried that since I have a year left, it's 50/50 that I get selected and if I don't, would have to apply for civilian WOFT program?
Only thing I can think of is having to re-up to keep trying at it.
What about letters of recommendation for civilians attempting street to seat?
going in as a 15U in a month. I plan on dropping my packet after all my training
During my senior year in college I took the written tests for Army Warrant Officer Flight Training and failed them outright. Oddly enough, I received very high scores on the AQT/FAR, the Navy's tests for pilot applicants. Go figure.
What is the tattoo policy for the program? I'm enlisted 18x currently. My hand tattoos were approved by the army when I enlisted but I'd like to know if I can apply for the pilot program.
Great job. Thanks!
Great information, good job, thanks
You get the flight physical prior to submitting the packet for Warrant Officer correct ? Are you able to get that flight physical ahead of time if I were to choose to go the commission route? I’m looking into all of my options but I want to make sure I’m actually medically qualified before I start the process.
Video of the U.S.Army pilot shortage and how they plan to fix it.
I don't get why a letter of recommendation. Seems odd to essentially say look who I know..
It’s just leftover racist nonsense. People from the lower classes can’t get these. I’m a smart person. I have a top percentile law school entrance exam score on record, but I’m a broke kid from immigrant parents and I have ZERO connections. This LOR crap feels like it’s designed to keep people like me out and give all the opportunity to privileged middle class whites.
Thanks for this video!
No problem!
Great video!
Great job sir. Thanks
What about prior service?
Thank you for making this video!
I simply walked into the recruiting office back in 2008 and said hey I want to fly Blackhawks! Been doing it ever since, really no mystery to it 😉
How the fuck. Ill try to do the same I guess
Dude. You have to be white and middle class. Can’t see this happening any other way unless it was a war time period and they desperately needed more people
Thank you, very informative!
Would want more info please ? Thanks
Both Commissioned Officers and Warrant Officers must maintain the minimum hours as pilots. Officer Evaluation Reports never mention pilot tasks. All officers are evaluated on how well they perform additional duties and their can be many. OERs are evaluated and scored by promotion boards. For aviation warrant officers, the quicker you get tracked into instructor pilot or safety officer, the better. These Warrant Officers are not given any additional duties because their jobs do not allow the time. I was a warrant officer for 8 years on active duty. Not becoming an IP or safety officer hurt my career and I was passed over for promotion to CW3.
Thanks for the video, you made it very easy to understand. Do you know if the steps are any different when trying to go for fixed wing as opposed to helicopter?
It’s the same entry process. Once selected the Army will decide which track you’ll pursue. You might be able to express a preference, but the Army will decide. Very, very few go to FW training. I’d recommend staying in RW because of greater opportunities and assignments…work on FW on your own time. It’s all good!
It's like dragonpilot said. Everyone going to Army flight school goes through and becomes rotary wing rated. Upon graduation, there is an opportunity to attend fixed wing training. It would most likely be the C-12 (military version of the KingAir, I believe) that the Army primary operates, although there are some others. Other transitions would include the Chinook, Apache, etc. Sometime around graduation, I think you could put in a dream sheet, but very few get fixed wing. Around 1 or so each graduating class, although you could always be selected later in your career. Needs of the Army and, of course, who you know. Sometimes, it's just pure luck and timing. Most of my friends who went fixed wing though said they missed flying rotary.
was an 11b and got out to go to college. boutta graduate this spring and thinking of going this route. it is quite a daunting task to get this packet all situated, but this video helped!
Excellent. Thx
Hello Damion, would you have any tips on how to become successful at WOCS for the WOFT program?
If I want to do this through the national guard would I have to go to flight school full time? Or is there a once or twice a month program? I work full time.
Is reserve taking WOFT applicants this year?
Hey I don’t know if you will see this but I’m currently in ROTC and I’m wondering the best way to get in contact with multiple guard aviation units to apply to see if they have slots. Any advice would be great!
Do you have to be a certain rank before they accept you? I just enlisted in october for army national guard, soon as i'm done basic and ait school I want to drop a packet but my question is, if i'm only a pv2 or pfc is my chances lower? I also have previous flight experience, would that help any.
is the process the same for fixed wing warrant as well
It's all the same process, however, fixed wing is not guaranteed. After you complete the initial flight training in UH-72, your class will have a selection day. Every class is different. There were no available slots for fixed wing when my class selected.
Thus was literally so helpful. Warrant officer helo pilot is what I've been looking into. You mentioned the street to seat option or from already enlisted members but I left the navy, I'm civilian now, what are the chances of me getting in? My re entry code require a waiver.
3:03 Regarding the SIFT test is it possible to take it more than once ?
You can take it twice; that’s if you fail. If you pass it, you can’t take it again to up your score
How many warrant officer pilots stay after 10 years vs. Officer s ?
Oh Lielvārde base! @Damion Bailey do you know if it’s possible to join US army and work there as a pilot if you’re currently a pilot in other country’s military?
Is it possible to complete the package by yourself i.e., without a recruiter that is not helping you.
Yes absolutely, just look up the requirements, like getting a flight physical, call a flight department at a military hospital and schedule it. SIFT, call a ROTC program and go take it there ect.. you don’t need a recruiter.
Hey Damion your videos have been super helpful and informative. I am going a route similar to yours. ROTC to a National guard Aviation unit in Colorado. Do you have any information on commissioned officers transitioning to warrant officer? Is that something that happens? How hard is the process?
I’m prior enlisted as an 11B, my contract ended in Nov ‘20.. could I apply under street to seat in the guard?
I was supposed to leave for October start date and flight school date march 2025...but I got a concussion at JRTC flight surgeon rescinded their decision and disqualified me... What is next?
What about if u're from another country
This apply for fixed wing as well?
Do you know what it would look like for prior service personnel?
Do those recommendations have to be from CW3/O4 and higher or is that just a recommendation?
Very informative video Sir, when is the earliest time as a commissioned officer that you can switch to warrant? do you have to wait until the ADSO is completed?
If you are branched as an Aviation Officer there is a Milper message released every year outlining the process.
As a non-Aviation Officer there is not time limit. You actually need a wavier if you have over 48 months of service. You will be required to get a few more documents than a standard packet to include a branch release and resignation of Commision. All the documents can be found on the Warrant Officer recuriting website. You can only apply to the May and November boards.
As for ADSO's you will have to submit a wavier when you are going through the REFRAD process through HRC after being selected.
Thanks for the video! Super helpful. Just curious, I am set to meet with an Army recruiter next week for the first time. I have been studying for the SIFT for the last month. However, is it required to take the ASVAB first?
I’ve gotten conflicting answers I’m my research
Yes, I believe so. I think they want to see your asvab GT score of a 110 or higher. Which is also required for the packet either way..
Thanks again for the info! Passed with 130 GT and 61 SIFT. Your video has been super helpful as I put together my packet
@@ryanspeer3236 Good luck buddy I’m doing the same thing you are, hope you get selected!
You as well! Maybe see ya at Rucker soon haha
@@ryanspeer3236 when is the board youre planning for, mine is next month
How do you get your top security clearance?
Holy Toledo that first TAC Officer in the video was our Senior TAC earlier this year 😂😂😂 Great guy
great info
If you're open to being either helicopter/fixed wing pilot, how does this process change?
It doesn't. The primary route is rotary wing. Everyone goes through Rotary Wing Qual. If you're lucky, you might pick up a fixed wing transition after graduation. Most of the Army fixed wing aircraft are C12's, although they do have some other types. Most of my friends who went into a fixed wing follow-on transition said that they missed flying helicopters, though.
Me: a 34 year old with no military or flight experience. "hmm this is good info to know" why am I like this?
Do they contact you and tell you where the board will be held at? I'm stationed in Colorado, is it on post in the aviation hangars?
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Can you join with a corrected Vision? Like LASIK?
Yes, I had lasik in 2016 and completed flight training in 2022
How should I study for the ASVAB
I am going through this now. Can confirm the process can take over a year...😀 I've got some vids up especially if you're looking for more on that age waiver 🤝
@@Somerandomdud33 Appreciate it!
Submitted for the January board hoping for the best!
Do you have a college degree? 🥺
@@whosdante yes but it isn't required
What is the huge nest age they’ll waiver too
Is a prior enlisted USAF able to go warrant officer? Im still in my IRR portion of my enlistment.
Yes, in my class we had prior service from other branches
Any prior service is fine, just watch your age, they don't always issue waivers, our Command is not keen on it. Enlisted rank is immaterial also, you don't have to be an E5 for WOFT
Dam I turn 34 this October and I don’t get out until next August from the Navy 😢 I can get a conditional release but I’ll be 34
He said on a case by case basis they can give a waiver
If i want to specifically fly the apache and the apache only is that a thing i can do or do i end up flying all helos
Selection rate
thankyou so much brother 🫂💙
I am making the switch from Air Force. If anyone would like info or advice feel free to reach out. My biggest piece of advice is just be willing to do everything yourself and be diligent at sourcing the people and documents you need.
We’re you enlisted? Any prior flight time?
@@HashSlingingtrades I’m an enlisted aviator (a back seater, not a pilot) so fortunately I got a lot of aviation experience there. Otherwise, I only have 10 hours of actual civilian flight time.
@@zacharypennington1868 do you think doing this program straight out of high school is a bad idea? I want to fly in the military regardless, but I'm not sure if 10 years off the bat is a bad idea or not
Hey, how has the process been for you??
Ur making a huge mistake. Stay in the airforce
Why don’t you try to become a warrant now? It’s not impossible, right?
I actually will once my time as a captain is up. I have about 4 more years and then I’ll transition over to being a warrant. Chief Bailey has a nice ring to it 🤣
I am an Infantry Officer who just got selected during the November Board to become an Aviation Warrant. Looking forward to it!
@@rico4658rico I am currently getting the last bit of my things together for the board in March, can I get some info as to what your packet looked like that way I can have a comparison of what the packet of someone who got in looks like?
Would you be willing to promote a study center I’m opening for flight students here at Novosel?
Do army warrant officers go to basic training? My recruiter just told me that I have to go to enlisted basic training first
Yes you must go through basic training first.
Got a question about this. Isn’t there another requirement of being e5 or higher to apply?
Absolutely not. You are, however, promoted to E-5 (Warrant Officer Candidate) upon entry to WOC School, if you are not an E-5 already. If you are E-6 or higher, you retain that grade until appointment as a W-1.
Do we need to go through boot camp for high school to flight school or do we go to flight school immediately?
You have to go through boot camp first. Then flight school is your AIT
@@petehaack5228 Ah.... I also heard that pilots need to go through tough training called sere
@terryheo3464 SERE-C, you get to go to Camp Slappy. I think they changed it to before flight school now, so if you wash out, they aren't sending you to flight school. If you're high school to flight school, as they call it, you probably either get reclassed to a new MOS or separated, not sure. Just don't wash out, and you won't have to find out. It was not a requirement when I went in '89, but I had gone to Jungle School in Panama, so when for a short time, they were trying to make everyone go, they didn't really bother me.
@terryheo3464 Sorry, I didn't get back sooner. Yes, you do. I can't speak to it as I never went, wasn't required in '89. For a time, anyone who hadn't gone, had to go before attending advanced schooling, but I had Jungle Survival School under my belt, so I was waived. Much has changed over the years, but it's like anything else in the Military, you just shrug and deal with it.
@@AncientReDo they kick out candidates during the flight school if their grade is horrible?
I got an 88 AFQT but mine doesn't say my GT score. How can I find this out?
ask your recruiter
Nowadays they don't care if you have official or unofficial. Just an FYSA
Can I get a letter of recommendation 😂😂
Dude. How TF do you even get letters of recommendation. I don’t know anyone. I come from a lower class family, what college I have was all online… where do you even begin to look? I want to be an aviator more than anything but this just feels unfair and gives advantage to well off people with connections.
Facebook groups and Reddit was what worked for me.
in order to become a warrant officer pilot, do you have to enlist first to be selected to become a warrant officer?
i believe if you want to be a pilot you can start as wo1
It’s high school to flight school but you’ll have to attend Basic Training first. Prior service not required.