1. Great security man. Excellent, why aren’t they all like that? 2. Similar to last time but I’m unsure if you’ve broken any rules about filling up too many cans. My guess is “their” rules about filling up is a civil matter, if it’s the Law, maybe a police matter. 3. Acceptance of coinage. Just because you leave it with them doesn’t mean they have to accept it. They can return it, as they’re not accepting it. Acceptance is when they give you a receipt I believe. The transaction was never completed. In this context though, a red herring. If they pursued you civilly later, I’m not sure if this rejection by them is relevant or not, but I guess you don’t care and would give them the coins anyway. So a red herring here really. 4. Thus broadly the same as last time - this is a civil matter where you just settle a debt (and you still offer them only these coins). My view is fuel pumps is the difference, whereby because you can take it out, physically, it becomes a debt to settle. Gerry cans the same, importantly. It’s about dispensing the fuel on trust of payment / settlement of debt. 5. Again it depends on the signs at at the pumps. Next time video these and ask them where the signs are for “acceptable and non acceptable means of payment” . Must be visible before you fill up. At the door is too late. 6. I laughed when the lady said “you’ve been served”... it’s a meaningless phrase in this situation. Hilarious ! 7. All revolves around what was stated as “acceptable” BEFORE you filled up. Full stop. 8. A mistake to provide your name. Specific English Case Law exists regarding when an officer can execute s163 RTA 1988 off road. If you are parked at a station as here you are not obliged in my view. The determination is whether whilst on the tarmac you’re on something which forms part of a road / path which is in AND out / off and on the highway. Like a mini road in itself from the highway. But you handed over you’re details.. maybe a mistake. S163 is unclear as to what is a highway but the case law is. Google it. 9. You should have given them your solicitor name as a “means of contact” for a “civil matter”. But again, I state, get proof that nowhere is plain sight were the contract terms that these coins weren’t acceptable. 10. Was the officer legally on duty before her shift? Worth a check, I don’t know the Law here. On balance she acted as a Constable- see point 13. 11. There really needs to be a case Law where you leave contact details and drive off. The police need to try to prosecute you for theft and fail, thus confirming a civil matter of debt. The petrol station need to sue you for the debt and you win that case too. This is a grey area. Legal tender doesn’t mean they must accept it at the counter, but they should (must) as debt settlement. 12. Without prejudice or recourse, this is not legal advice and you should seek council professionally, not from the www, my view is you’d win both. 13. My view is the officer may have breached GDPR (officially on duty or not), her defence was acting in good faith. Sadly my view is you’d get nowhere if the police were bright enough to say she wasn’t on duty, wasn’t acting in behalf of the constabulary and you gave your name freely and she passed it on in the capacity of an individual. Fortunately for you they’re generally stupid, so you might get an apology, but don’t expect disciplinary action as professional Standards are there only to “appear” like something is done. Nothing will be done. So complain about her but BEFORE you do, establish in writing if she was acting as a Constable.Only then can you sue for GDPR breach. State “the express implication was she was on duty and acting in the capacity of an officer as she showed me her warrant badge and identified as a police Constable”. Once you have that, only then sue for GDPR - you must report it on a GDPR breach website First, then write to the force “data protection officer” The have one. To give you an example, in one case I handled recently, TFL gave the name and telephone of a citizen to a taxi driver who had been rude and lost his job because the citizen complained, and he was in fear of reprisal. We got £1000. In your case, your maximum loss is £230, so in Law, that’s what you’d get, maybe a bit for distress. Go for £300 on this rational. Too much and they know you won’t win. Start with your letter, then go straight to the small claims court. Their legal fees would be £1000 so they may pay to avoid this. 13. Even if you “get away” with this approach, the risk is Sainsbury’s ban you from all their UK sites (food and fuel) in reprisal. However, without your vehicle reg, it’s tough to stop you. 14. Let us know what happens ...
Thankyou for some great analysis John. What do you think about the no means to pay form which they filled out without my consent, which I believe is a contract which requires my signature?
@@julianchamberlain5399 a meaningless document to some extent. It suggests a different contract / different terms. Ignore it. You contact them at hq offering to settle your civil debt with legal tender, via your solicitors office address. If they elect not to accept then ask under what basis and to quote any and all relevant case law. Give them 14 days to reply. Copy in the R Mints website terms which state it’s legal tender and can be used to settle a debt. Put another way, make it easy for them to Accept and hard to reject.
Unbelievable, police illegally providing private companies with peoples personal data. That is one serious breach of law and conduct. I hope they throw the book at her for that.
Yet again, every time there is a situation like this ie a civil dispute, police officers turn up act as though they are employees of the corporation. Holding conversations with you in full hearing of the staff, then walking away to a huddle with the staff so that you cant hear what is being said. massive double standards.
Nice of Sainbury to give you free stuff... Ironically, if a court found that you owed them money, it would also have to accept the "legal tender" as payment. The police should not be backing the whims of corporations over the rights of the public in civil law and, in this instance have indeed breached data protection regulations.
@@saltymemesmith Sainsburys didn't pursue me to pay again. The police inspector educated WPC Linzi not to be such a naughty girl. My solicitor said its not worth prrsuing a civil case.
The member of staff who kept asking for another means of payment, should only be allowed to collect trolleys. As for the PC it was not a very good start to the day and was wrong to share your details without consent.
Dont let them get away with giving your details to a private company. They wouldn't have any hesitation in enforcing the law if you had breached data protection.who do they think they are.
Simple for the police officer, nothing to do with me and walk away. They cannot pass an opportunity to act the big I am and she will now pay for that conceit. Well played sir.
@@DashDriver-z1r They weren't rude or anything hostile. A bit jobsworth about the Jerry cans and "Bee"🐝 spoke to me inappropriately about the quantity of fuel before I paid.
So Sainsbury's went to the effort of finding out that the coins were legal tender but couldn't be bothered to find out whether they could refuse legal tender in the settlement of a debt. Policewoman couldn't be bothered to ask Sainsbury's staff whether they would ask you for your details but instead short circuited the whole process by providing them with your details. At least you're already £227 ahead, all because people can't be bothered to do their jobs properly. Well done, very entertaining.
@@ED4action What don't you understand about doing nothing illegal or unlawful... It's legal tender and it's not his fault others are not educated on the matter... Just like "ignorance is no defense"
Oh wow , that female employee was pretty sneaky throwing the coins in the car ! At least you have everything on video ! Keep us posted on what happens next ! Great video 👍
@@legobatman8353 no it couldnt do you think cps would actually take that before a judge and jury over giving a complete who went out for no other reason than to cause trouble his money back when they have told him numerous times they wont accept them and he wont take them back himself what other option was there cos the banks wont take them so they would lose 100s of £s worth of fuel
@Finky Stingers McFarthing sue him for littering for throwing the paper on the floor then if i leave for example a sweet wrapper in someones car could they then sue ne for littering and is giving
@@RIPSIRJIMMYSAVILLE if someone threw litter in your car would you keep it for later to throw it in the bin?? He told her he wasn't accepting it and she threw it in his car - it wasn't his litter, it was hers. Doesn't matter anyhow, the wpc picked up the womans litter and disposed of it. Could them throwing $!ht in his car be a breach of public order - fear of threat of violence... 😱
@@SalimKhan-gk1fh but they are legal tendor. its irrelevant if sainsburys or any other outlet want to accept them or not, they are legal coins. so he is doing nothing wrong. The banks shouldnt be allowed to refuse them as legal currency of the UK. that is where a new law needs to be introduced.
You need to complain to the Data Protection Commissioner, Directly, forget complaining the police as they will take ni action. If you complain to the Commisisoner and he upholds your complaint then she will no longer be allowed collect or handle data of any kind. This means that she cannot work for the police in any position where she comes into contact with personal data. She has effectively dismissed herself!
I'd be interested to see how this one plays out. For clarification, a Constable can come on duty at any time, irrespective of their shift patterns. When executing her office, this Constable is effectively 'on duty.' I would contend that you are absolutely correct in that this coinage is legal tender, that it was accepted at the point of payment and that this is clearly a civil dispute. You are also correct in that you didn't have to identify yourself to the police officer or the store staff. They could have identified you as the driver of that motor car at that time through subsequent checks, which may be unlawful per se. The officer should not have surrendered your personal details to the store staff and this would be a disciplinary matter for the force that you can follow up. Pls do let us know how this proceeds.
Also, no criminal intention to avoid payment by either theft of deception. No law broken so police officer should have excused herself? There must be a conscious decision to deceive, or the police have zero authority.
If a counterfeit note is given in payment along with legal tender notes and the clerk while counting the notes finds the counterfeit note. Because the clerk has handled the notes does this then become an acceptance. Surly the tendered money can be examined before it becomes accepted. All the types of payment should be displayed at the point of sale, not posted elsewhere to be read later. Bring back the pump attendants !!!!!
@Nehemiah Scudder It's the interpretation of acceptance that bothers me in that the staff were examining the coins and then put them back on the counter saying they were unacceptable, but because the staff touched them in his eyes they accepted payment. I do not dispute they are Legal Tender yet banks won't accept them from retailers. Until the whole system works it's a pointless exercise. The point has been proved and should be left at that.
@@TheByard Your point about counterfeit is valid ,but the legitimacy of the coinage was never in dispute ,their security(top bloke) confirmed that they had verified it was legal tender. You are right about pump attendants!!! ,although it would stop the dozens of calls my brother attends a week where someone (not always women but.....) has filled up with the wrong fuel.
@@Audit-The-Auditors LoL, Hearsay. The Officer would NEED a Colleague to certify Her Verbal state of Mind (STATEMENT) LoL. If the Officer did NOT see it am SHORE The Camera as a WITNESS shall NOT change its version or feel intimidated to change its visual coverage.
@@WizzdummHeadley They were when I was younger where I lived anyway obviously cannot speak for everyone just my personal experience. They were polite ,helpful,obliging also smart nice uniform none of this chewing gum,scruffy lot now.
Security should be promoted to customer service boss. I have to admire your ability to remain calm when dealing with idiots incapable of rational thought.
Very fascinating. It's like Police have totally forgotten that the role they are being employed to fulfill is "law enforcement". Looking forward to seeing how this plays out.
As a police officer, during training were are told most people officers don’t follow the rules and do have an ego trip. We’re taught by the book, unfortunately people seem to slip up whether intentionally or not. We know there’s fuck ups so do hold them into account. Some of my colleagues have questionable attitudes.
To clarify, legally you have paid and they have gifted you that money in return. A rather incredulous transaction! I would suggest it would be in order for your to undertake a DVLA check for that officer's vehicle registration to obtain her details in order that she may be listed as a witness in private proceedings.
Its the number one thing police are prosecuted for. It is the reason you should never give your name unless you are legally obliged to. Even when they aren't taking backhanders for data, they leak like a sieve.
@@johnvienta7622 Jesus Christ, I have no idea how this video came into my recommendations but reading through the comments - you guys a real bunch of snowflakes 🤣 breach of human rights 🤦♂️
Certainly can and if the data breach causes alarm distress or danger to safety and or life, it can very quickly become misconduct in public office. If you cannot resolve your complaint as Sgt or inspector level, request the case be sent to DPS, (professional standards) whilst most in the job wouldn't help you, some of us don't like corrupt or rogue police officers, they create a problem for us decent one's and I for one would rather they be gone. We take an oath to preserve life, protect the public and uphold common and statutory law, not make people feel uncomfortable, abuse the powers of our warrant and or abuse pace. That's not what most of us joined the job for, although public opinion is changing because of power hungry, moronic police officers, something I'm not and I'm speaking for 99% of us here. Only a minority in the job are power hungry morons, and they put the rest of us in danger, as well as the public.
Personally, I would look at suing the police force that she works for, that officer not only used what must be a personal device but also unlawfully divulged your information. I would also raise a case with the ICO since she is acting in the capacity of a police officer.
I think you're still entitled a VAT receipt for the original transaction. The fact they chose to give you a gift afterwards doesn't alter the fact you paid.
I think that "no means to pay" form is a contract where you agree to return and pay within a certain amount of time. It should be filled out and signed by the person making the contract. The WPC abused her power to request my details and the allow the staff to fraudulently fill out the form. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a forged signature on it too. Bossuk runs the scheme to recover unpaid contracts that people have made using those forms and the police deal with people who make off without paying. I'm in neither of those camps, as I paid. Its not everyday that some stranger throws £230 in your car..
@@julianchamberlain5399 I thought the same, they negated the debt lol you played that well and by the book. Extremely unprofessional police officer looks like she came in her personal car too & wasn’t even versed on the matter (they usually radio in for advice?) Curious: what do you plan on doing regarding the data protection breach?
You're filming in a public place and thats another civil matter. But he's filming you because its private property and they can do what they like. What ?
@@onnatca I've logged a complaint on 101. An inspector rang last night at 12.30am to discuss with me. He understood the coin issue. I've messaged my solicitor about it to take civil action against them.
If educating uneducated childish public servants who don't know the law is a hassle then we have no hope, is it not better to educate and stop this constant infringement on our rights. Thank you Julian for taking this stand, Look forward to your follow up.
That is a wonderful example of a legal transaction and so nice to see them forgive your debt. Now taking action against the PC for a breach of your data is the cherry on top. Love it !
I've had dealings with Exeter police when I was arrested for an alleged historic domestic and sexual abuse charge whilst going through a messy divorce. Which I was totally cleared of. Exeter police came to my workplace and forcably removed me at the start of my shift. I spent all day in a cell waiting for 2 officers that were travelling down from the north west to interview me. I wish I'd know what I know now and taken them to court after I'd been completely exonerated of the charges.
People really have to stop calling members of the Constabulary officers they are men and women who hold the ancient office of Constable we do not abbreviate their rank to PO but to PC which means Police Constable. You always want to deal with them under Common Law jurisdiction but if you call them officer you are stepping out of Common Law into their corporate jurisdiction and their legal la la land.
@Julia57 just me So I guess we don't have "a Head of State" in the UK........and we don't have the position "Secretary of State".... you are misinformed/wrong
Very interesting video, I look forward to any follow ups. It’s already been said but again, that security guard was a breath of fresh air, everyone else with a name badge in that video could learn from him.
Unlikely. Deliberate but only one individual and rights and freedoms not necessarily affected by a great deal. If reported to the ICO, they will give the Police a stern undertaking at best. Can always take out an individual complaint though and see how it goes.
Don't pay their demand ... take them to court for not accepting legal tender. Don't report the pig on 101 we all know nothing will come of that ... see a solicitor about the pigs serious breach of GDPR .... You will be quids in
Throwing ‘some undetermined and unproven amount of money’ back into your vehicle doesn’t verify a refund or a cancelled transaction. No proof that you were given a full refund. In fact I’d allege you were assaulted when they threw the item at you?
Royal mint creates a coin of legal tender, sells it to Joe public then instructs banks not to accept them back? Can one man take on the Bank of England? Maybe. Oh, and thanks for adjusting those lights!
My daughter drives for a limo bus company. She picked up a group of tourist from England and drove from the marina to a casino, 2 hour drive. 6 couples each tipped her 50 pound notes. Never seeing one herself she polity said Thank You and went about her day. She didn't realize they just tipped her $414 US dollars for a bus trip! No problem at the bank at all.
Security had a great approach to his job role, shame there are not more security caught on camera like this one. Legal tender, paid in full! I believe they accepted the payment which in turn finalised the sale. The fact that they came out to your car and gave you some money in my belief appears to be a monetary gift to you on behalf of Sainsbury's. I also believe in na civil court, the judge should find that they are legal tender and that you would not have to pay the bill a second time. I think Sainsbury's want the payment twice lol First. when you paid, and second when they take you to a civil court. Whats the worst that could happen, maybe just giving them the money back that they gifted to you through the window... I don't think they would be wise to waste any money on a civil matter when all it's going to do is cost them more money to potentially get the same money back that they gave you in the first place. I believe the police officer breached GDPR and gave your details to a third party nothing to do with her job as a police officer. She also said she understands that you paid! Police officer now accepts that you paid lol
33:40 the police officer confirmed they wanted another form of payment which means the police officer is stating it is acceptable for payment but not wanted by Sainsbury's to be accepted. Police officer realised she has breached GDPR whoops! Civil matter gone wrong for the police and all on camera, well done and a great civilised interaction by all parties in the matter.
Julian,I've linked this video to Auditing Britain. YT channel. As on his last video a pc shouted his full name in public.... hope it gets more viewers for you also. As I'm from S W also
How have I missed your channel, now subbed you. This was a brilliant audit with so many things that Sainsbury’s and the copper did wrong. Please please take this further, I can’t wait to see what happens. That copper was a disgrace, she not only breached data protection but took Sainsbury’s side instead of being impartial. Also, that chubby kid with the hi viz on, did anyone notice he stood there for the whole duration with his hands in his pockets, so unprofessional.
@@Audit-The-Auditors The correct response from the police was to say that its a civil dispute and nothing to do with the police. Instead she said "I'll get his details so you can fill out the no means to pay agreement while you put the coins in a bag and throw them back in his car" They want me to fill out the form and give me back the coins. I wanted them to accept my lawful payment. She clearly, erroneously and unlawfully took their side. Do you think she handled it correctly? I assume you are a police constable.
@@Audit-The-Auditors Its only an unusual situation due to the distorted reality that we now find ourselves in. How on earth can the police with a sworn oath to serve the Queen be arresting one of her subjects and bringing him before her court, for using one of her coins? A few hundred years ago the traitors would have been executed. But now , in the the new normal that you defend, a law abiding citizen is viewed as the wrong doer against a corrupt police who support the corporations and the system of things. My goal is to spend the coins as it is a legislated right.
@@Audit-The-Auditors Its a fair comment. I dont just do it for youtube. Its a matter of principle. I do appreciate it is quite an interesting and difficult conundrum and hard to compute on the spur of the moment. Thats why its quite interesting. Police are pretty good in this country generally. If you watched all my video encounters, the only bad policeman is Tony who arrested me for being called Julian. By testing the boundaries we maintain our rights.
If they had clear signage they only accept rabbit skins then thats what you'd have to pay. It was clear that I had to pay GBP pounds sterling which exactly what I offered for payment.
Doesn't this remind you of when Bitcoin was first used in a coffee shop as payment - the coffee shop refused....if only hey, now bitcoin is riding high.
Having the window down, I captured incriminating evidence that she was the ring leader of the plan to use her authority as a police officer to gain my details, fraudulently impersonate me in a written contract and encourage the staff to throw Sainsburys money in my car.
The little Sainsbury twerp that talked to whilst you were waiting for the police was an absolute nutcase. Didn't listen, didn't want to understand, had the wrong ideas about the law both on legal tender & photography. Plus he was rude and unprofessional with passive aggressive thrown in for good measure.
Cracking video. You set up a wonderful scenario that would have puzzled most of us. I must say that the best part of your videos is your demeanour. Doesn't give 'them' something to rail against. Btw, I've noticed in some of the posts that the question of the cop being on/off duty. Surely irrelevant if she identified as a constable rather than an 'off duty constable' when you asked if she was a sergeant? Think you scared her shitless there. If only more cops would choose to leave when they've been smashed. Usually they hang about, talk in riddles, attempt to intimidate, & do anything else that gives them more time to think up an array of charges they can concoct.
The PC broke DPA2018 and GDPR, a straight case for the ICO. Police IRU dept complaint ( DPA2018 Section 165 ), and a Police PSD complaint of unlawful action of the Officer of giving personal sensitive information to a 3rd party.
I love all this type of stuff and fair play to the security guard for being so calm and not heavy handed. The way I see it is this... either the coinage IS legal tender as declared by the ROYAL MINT or it is not and the ROYAL MINT are committing fraud. Personally I think the Royal mint are correct. I understand that there is regulation on the amount of coinage that companies will accept for payment but this normally covers the smaller denomination coin and not high value ones such as this gentleman used. It is a shame to use the coins in this way though as they'll probably be worth quite a lot in a few years time.
Yes, she committed an offence. She broke the data protection act law. Similar happen to me about 5-6 years ago. I had a fare dispute with British Rail. TOLD BR to call the police, police came I gave them my details, police gave BR my details. Walked right into my trap. Police broke the data protection act. No case.
It started with a bloke buying 2million quids worth from the mint because they was giving air miles away with them. He paid off his card and debt by selling the miles on I think eBay. Then cashed in his 2million of coins as legal tender. Something along them line's.
@@briancohenthepfjmassive.4769 I think he bought £30k from the mint on a credit card to get air miles and then paid the credit card with the coins. Royal Mint advised the banks not to accept them as their profitable little scam would unravel. The shops and supermarkets etc would be happy to accept them if it wasn't for the banks which are private institutions largely bailed out by the public.
@@julianchamberlain5399 thanks I don't know how the 2million got there. You should write a bit about that and paste it on a few video's. It's like the man who got X amount of air miles for buying all the bananas he could from Tesco's and give them away at the door.
@@briancohenthepfjmassive.4769 This is the story you are thinking of. www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-3390519/I-buy-Royal-Mint-commemorative-coins-bulk-credit-card-gain-airmiles-cash-bank-s-refusing-accept-them.html
Legal tender has a very narrow and technical meaning in the settlement of debts. It means that a debtor cannot successfully be sued for non-payment if he pays into court in legal tender. It does not mean that any ordinary transaction has to take place in legal tender or only within the amount denominated by the legislation. Both parties are free to agree to accept any form of payment whether legal tender or otherwise according to their wishes.
I thoroughly enjoyed your video! Personally, I would have taken the coins back to them along with their stupid form and left the whole lot on the counter. ‘Paid in full’ written right across the form, signed and dated. Their problem not yours my friend. The WPC doesn’t seem to want to abide by the law. Breaking data protection tut tut tut !!!! We need an update on that one please.
The officer did not witness you drive the car, so why admit you drove the car and give details!?😳 you behind the wheel is irrelevant. They initially collected the coins then threw them back into your car.. you should have thrown the coins and paper work back out and accuse them of littering your car.
Your really brave. On behalf of all women and vulnerable people - thank you. 😁 Look after yourself - it's alot to be dealing with. You are appreciated 💕
@@julianchamberlain5399 me personally , would write them out a promissory note , that would bring trust law in to play , (use your bond) equity , (man holds no liability) remember that mate 💪👍
Get names and addresses of people you deal with , never answer questions , civil matter , no crime , so the constables are not acting under their oath , all what happened to you was unlawful
1. Great security man. Excellent, why aren’t they all like that?
2. Similar to last time but I’m unsure if you’ve broken any rules about filling up too many cans. My guess is “their” rules about filling up is a civil matter, if it’s the Law, maybe a police matter.
3. Acceptance of coinage. Just because you leave it with them doesn’t mean they have to accept it. They can return it, as they’re not accepting it. Acceptance is when they give you a receipt I believe. The transaction was never completed. In this context though, a red herring. If they pursued you civilly later, I’m not sure if this rejection by them is relevant or not, but I guess you don’t care and would give them the coins anyway. So a red herring here really.
4. Thus broadly the same as last time - this is a civil matter where you just settle a debt (and you still offer them only these coins). My view is fuel pumps is the difference, whereby because you can take it out, physically, it becomes a debt to settle. Gerry cans the same, importantly. It’s about dispensing the fuel on trust of payment / settlement of debt.
5. Again it depends on the signs at at the pumps. Next time video these and ask them where the signs are for “acceptable and non acceptable means of payment” . Must be visible before you fill up. At the door is too late.
6. I laughed when the lady said “you’ve been served”... it’s a meaningless phrase in this situation. Hilarious !
7. All revolves around what was stated as “acceptable” BEFORE you filled up. Full stop.
8. A mistake to provide your name. Specific English Case Law exists regarding when an officer can execute s163 RTA 1988 off road. If you are parked at a station as here you are not obliged in my view. The determination is whether whilst on the tarmac you’re on something which forms part of a road / path which is in AND out / off and on the highway. Like a mini road in itself from the highway. But you handed over you’re details.. maybe a mistake. S163 is unclear as to what is a highway but the case law is. Google it.
9. You should have given them your solicitor name as a “means of contact” for a “civil matter”. But again, I state, get proof that nowhere is plain sight were the contract terms that these coins weren’t acceptable.
10. Was the officer legally on duty before her shift? Worth a check, I don’t know the Law here. On balance she acted as a Constable- see point 13.
11. There really needs to be a case Law where you leave contact details and drive off. The police need to try to prosecute you for theft and fail, thus confirming a civil matter of debt. The petrol station need to sue you for the debt and you win that case too. This is a grey area. Legal tender doesn’t mean they must accept it at the counter, but they should (must) as debt settlement.
12. Without prejudice or recourse, this is not legal advice and you should seek council professionally, not from the www, my view is you’d win both.
13. My view is the officer may have breached GDPR (officially on duty or not), her defence was acting in good faith. Sadly my view is you’d get nowhere if the police were bright enough to say she wasn’t on duty, wasn’t acting in behalf of the constabulary and you gave your name freely and she passed it on in the capacity of an individual. Fortunately for you they’re generally stupid, so you might get an apology, but don’t expect disciplinary action as professional Standards are there only to “appear” like something is done. Nothing will be done.
So complain about her but BEFORE you do, establish in writing if she was acting as a Constable.Only then can you sue for GDPR breach. State “the express implication was she was on duty and acting in the capacity of an officer as she showed me her warrant badge and identified as a police Constable”. Once you have that, only then sue for GDPR - you must report it on a GDPR breach website First, then write to the force “data protection officer” The have one.
To give you an example, in one case I handled recently, TFL gave the name and telephone of a citizen to a taxi driver who had been rude and lost his job because the citizen complained, and he was in fear of reprisal. We got £1000. In your case, your maximum loss is £230, so in Law, that’s what you’d get, maybe a bit for distress. Go for £300 on this rational. Too much and they know you won’t win. Start with your letter, then go straight to the small claims court. Their legal fees would be £1000 so they may pay to avoid this.
13. Even if you “get away” with this approach, the risk is Sainsbury’s ban you from all their UK sites (food and fuel) in reprisal. However, without your vehicle reg, it’s tough to stop you.
14. Let us know what happens ...
Well argued and great advice- personally it’s something I wouldn’t do. It’s like eating a meal in a restaurant and then offering to pay by washing up.
Thankyou for some great analysis John. What do you think about the no means to pay form which they filled out without my consent, which I believe is a contract which requires my signature?
@@ryandonagheylovescash4710 Its not. The contract is that I take fuel and then pay the required amount of GBP sterling which is exactly what I did.
@@julianchamberlain5399 a meaningless document to some extent. It suggests a different contract / different terms. Ignore it.
You contact them at hq offering to settle your civil debt with legal tender, via your solicitors office address. If they elect not to accept then ask under what basis and to quote any and all relevant case law. Give them 14 days to reply. Copy in the R Mints website terms which state it’s legal tender and can be used to settle a debt. Put another way, make it easy for them to Accept and hard to reject.
I was going to write TLDNR but I read every word and was pis sed off I couldn't copy and paste it.
Security guard is a proper legend, give him the chief constables job 💯
30 Ltd max of highly flammable petrol,not diesel.
Policewoman's job at least.
Professional attitude from security guard. He needs promoting.
Please ,please keep us posted on the outcome especially about the police complaint!
Unbelievable, police illegally providing private companies with peoples personal data. That is one serious breach of law and conduct. I hope they throw the book at her for that.
Doubt it
So does some certain transport sites GOV
She will most likely get a promotion the police love people like her
Wow, she was bang out of order. Please follow up the complaint towards that PC and let us know the outcome. Good work.
Oh yes.... Need to know how they wangle this one, cheeky twats
Yet again, every time there is a situation like this ie a civil dispute, police officers turn up act as though they are employees of the corporation. Holding conversations with you in full hearing of the staff, then walking away to a huddle with the staff so that you cant hear what is being said. massive double standards.
That's because there's no distinction between state and corporation.
The police DO work for them.
At last a security guard with common sense and manners.
She bolted quick once she realised you caught her breaking the data protection act and caught it all on camera
Wasn't that comical. 'Right, I'm out of here.'
Ha she shit the bed
she left like a bat out of hell
Exactly what I was going to say.
So now what? Followup? 🤟🏽🐻
The security guard comes across as far more personable and intelligent than the majority of police you see in these interaction.
Of course the security was spot on very calm professional.
I guess some security are highly educated
@@abdulharoon9597 It was bound to happen sooner or later, there's always an exception that proves the rule.
Of course the security professionalism was spot on police are not behaving like them.
Of course they would never hire a guy like this in a police roll, he knows his grounds and common courtesy too well.
Nice of Sainbury to give you free stuff... Ironically, if a court found that you owed them money, it would also have to accept the "legal tender" as payment. The police should not be backing the whims of corporations over the rights of the public in civil law and, in this instance have indeed breached data protection regulations.
Spot on.
@@julianchamberlain5399 Julian Buddy what was the final outcome with this interaction? Super interesting!
@@saltymemesmith Sainsburys didn't pursue me to pay again. The police inspector educated WPC Linzi not to be such a naughty girl. My solicitor said its not worth prrsuing a civil case.
The member of staff who kept asking for another means of payment, should only be allowed to collect trolleys. As for the PC it was not a very good start to the day and was wrong to share your details without consent.
Dont let them get away with giving your details to a private company. They wouldn't have any hesitation in enforcing the law if you had breached data protection.who do they think they are.
Simple for the police officer, nothing to do with me and walk away. They cannot pass an opportunity to act the big I am and she will now pay for that conceit. Well played sir.
Absolutely right, the filth nowadays are concrete brained, can't back down, no matter how wrong they are, bullies.
@@simontuffs4106 I suspect you are the type known to my colleagues with that stinking attitude of yours.
The security guard had better customer care/ communication skills than the actual sainsbury employees.....
He was a gentleman. Im heartened by all the praise and kind words he has received. I hope he gets to read them.
This store isn’t far from me and they seem very good and polite
@@DashDriver-z1r They weren't rude or anything hostile. A bit jobsworth about the Jerry cans and "Bee"🐝 spoke to me inappropriately about the quantity of fuel before I paid.
@@malfromthetoon6705 I hope you mean the guy in hi-viz, not the one at the start of the vid.
Make sure you sue the person who assaulted you by throwing coins at you. Andy England 🇬🇧👍
@@Audit-The-Auditors yes officer
"Surname or place of birth?"
"Both"
Every corrupt cops worst nightmare is a camera 📷 ALWAYS RECORD COPS 🎥 this new breed of policing is at its worst 🤬🤬🤬
Nothing new, its been happening for yonks, only now we are seeing evidence of it in action thanks to cameras,social media etc!
Only one person is unequivocally right. A clue, he's sitting in his car having paid for his fuel.
So Sainsbury's went to the effort of finding out that the coins were legal tender but couldn't be bothered to find out whether they could refuse legal tender in the settlement of a debt. Policewoman couldn't be bothered to ask Sainsbury's staff whether they would ask you for your details but instead short circuited the whole process by providing them with your details. At least you're already £227 ahead, all because people can't be bothered to do their jobs properly. Well done, very entertaining.
i'm in the usa, were those coins worth more than face value as collector items? they kinda looked like real silver?
@D. i kinda get the "feeling" he's trying to get paid from being falsely arrested for spending collector coins.
yet again. thicko police
@@ED4action fuck it why not
@@ED4action
What don't you understand about doing nothing illegal or unlawful... It's legal tender and it's not his fault others are not educated on the matter... Just like "ignorance is no defense"
Oh wow , that female employee was pretty sneaky throwing the coins in the car ! At least you have everything on video ! Keep us posted on what happens next ! Great video 👍
Could be classed as assault or battery.
@@legobatman8353 no it couldnt do you think cps would actually take that before a judge and jury over giving a complete who went out for no other reason than to cause trouble his money back when they have told him numerous times they wont accept them and he wont take them back himself what other option was there cos the banks wont take them so they would lose 100s of £s worth of fuel
@Finky Stingers McFarthing sue him for littering for throwing the paper on the floor then if i leave for example a sweet wrapper in someones car could they then sue ne for littering and is giving
@@RIPSIRJIMMYSAVILLE if someone threw litter in your car would you keep it for later to throw it in the bin??
He told her he wasn't accepting it and she threw it in his car - it wasn't his litter, it was hers.
Doesn't matter anyhow, the wpc picked up the womans litter and disposed of it.
Could them throwing $!ht in his car be a breach of public order - fear of threat of violence... 😱
@@SalimKhan-gk1fh but they are legal tendor. its irrelevant if sainsburys or any other outlet want to accept them or not, they are legal coins. so he is doing nothing wrong. The banks shouldnt be allowed to refuse them as legal currency of the UK. that is where a new law needs to be introduced.
You need to complain to the Data Protection Commissioner, Directly, forget complaining the police as they will take ni action. If you complain to the Commisisoner and he upholds your complaint then she will no longer be allowed collect or handle data of any kind. This means that she cannot work for the police in any position where she comes into contact with personal data. She has effectively dismissed herself!
I'd be interested to see how this one plays out. For clarification, a Constable can come on duty at any time, irrespective of their shift patterns. When executing her office, this Constable is effectively 'on duty.' I would contend that you are absolutely correct in that this coinage is legal tender, that it was accepted at the point of payment and that this is clearly a civil dispute. You are also correct in that you didn't have to identify yourself to the police officer or the store staff. They could have identified you as the driver of that motor car at that time through subsequent checks, which may be unlawful per se. The officer should not have surrendered your personal details to the store staff and this would be a disciplinary matter for the force that you can follow up. Pls do let us know how this proceeds.
Also, no criminal intention to avoid payment by either theft of deception. No law broken so police officer should have excused herself?
There must be a conscious decision to deceive, or the police have zero authority.
If a counterfeit note is given in payment along with legal tender notes and the clerk while counting the notes finds the counterfeit note. Because the clerk has handled the notes does this then become an acceptance. Surly the tendered money can be examined before it becomes accepted.
All the types of payment should be displayed at the point of sale, not posted elsewhere to be read later.
Bring back the pump attendants !!!!!
@Nehemiah Scudder It's the interpretation of acceptance that bothers me in that the staff were examining the coins and then put them back on the counter saying they were unacceptable, but because the staff touched them in his eyes they accepted payment.
I do not dispute they are Legal Tender yet banks won't accept them from retailers.
Until the whole system works it's a pointless exercise. The point has been proved and should be left at that.
@@TheByard Your point about counterfeit is valid ,but the legitimacy of the coinage was never in dispute ,their security(top bloke) confirmed that they had verified it was legal tender.
You are right about pump attendants!!! ,although it would stop the dozens of calls my brother attends a week where someone (not always women but.....) has filled up with the wrong fuel.
Maybe they could say it wasn't accepted and that's why no receipt was given or received.
Did they state that You had lawfully provided them with legal tender which they then kindly refunded You back in plain sight of the officer???
@@Audit-The-Auditors LoL, Hearsay. The Officer would NEED a Colleague to certify Her Verbal state of Mind (STATEMENT) LoL. If the Officer did NOT see it am SHORE The Camera as a WITNESS shall NOT change its version or feel intimidated to change its visual coverage.
That security man was incredible,sensible,reasonable used his common sense. I remember when the police were like that gentleman.
He'd actually make a good PC!
When were police officers ever like that ?! Because people I've spoken to from the early 1900's on NEVER described them in that way !!!???
@@WizzdummHeadley They were when I was younger where I lived anyway obviously cannot speak for everyone just my personal experience. They were polite ,helpful,obliging also smart nice uniform none of this chewing gum,scruffy lot now.
@@marypettyfer4640Fair enough as long as you understand that because you happened to have nice experiences with some of them doesn't make them nice !?
Security should be promoted to customer service boss. I have to admire your ability to remain calm when dealing with idiots incapable of rational thought.
Very fascinating. It's like Police have totally forgotten that the role they are being employed to fulfill is "law enforcement". Looking forward to seeing how this plays out.
As a police officer, during training were are told most people officers don’t follow the rules and do have an ego trip. We’re taught by the book, unfortunately people seem to slip up whether intentionally or not. We know there’s fuck ups so do hold them into account. Some of my colleagues have questionable attitudes.
To clarify, legally you have paid and they have gifted you that money in return. A rather incredulous transaction! I would suggest it would be in order for your to undertake a DVLA check for that officer's vehicle registration to obtain her details in order that she may be listed as a witness in private proceedings.
he got her name and number anyway
Got to report that police officer for giving your details...
Plz keep us up to date plz
The security guard was great , so professional and reasonable , to hear him say they are being ridiculous was awesome
Data protection breach, excellent.
Its the number one thing police are prosecuted for. It is the reason you should never give your name unless you are legally obliged to. Even when they aren't taking backhanders for data, they leak like a sieve.
She's f**ked!!!
@@michaelfulthorpe1910 she'll get a slap on the wrist.. they protect their own.
@@MDM1992 usually.
She should be disciplined for that. She won't be of course.
I wouldn't mind disciplining her. Or letting her discipline me. I don't care which direction but let's just have some fun! :)
Wow I think she knew she was in the wrong when she walked away so fast did you complain to 101
Yes, and her inspector called and went through my complaint with me.
@@julianchamberlain5399 hopeful an inspector that will discipline. Let us know both outcomes
@@julianchamberlain5399 , this must be very close to a breach of human rights, not just data protection.
@@johnvienta7622 Jesus Christ, I have no idea how this video came into my recommendations but reading through the comments - you guys a real bunch of snowflakes 🤣 breach of human rights 🤦♂️
@@sherlockgnomes8971 quite embarrassing you don’t know the law with a TH-cam name like that. Jokes on you. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
How many times is this guy gonna ask if you have another means of payment after you have told him that you do not?
It would be interesting to hear the outcome. The pc was bang out of order for divulging private details to a third party.
Oh dear that wpc is in trouble. You can get compensation too for a data protection breach... 🙄🙄🙄🙄🤔🤔🤔🤔
Certainly can and if the data breach causes alarm distress or danger to safety and or life, it can very quickly become misconduct in public office. If you cannot resolve your complaint as Sgt or inspector level, request the case be sent to DPS, (professional standards) whilst most in the job wouldn't help you, some of us don't like corrupt or rogue police officers, they create a problem for us decent one's and I for one would rather they be gone. We take an oath to preserve life, protect the public and uphold common and statutory law, not make people feel uncomfortable, abuse the powers of our warrant and or abuse pace. That's not what most of us joined the job for, although public opinion is changing because of power hungry, moronic police officers, something I'm not and I'm speaking for 99% of us here. Only a minority in the job are power hungry morons, and they put the rest of us in danger, as well as the public.
How thick are those people, I'm aghast.
Please keep us up to date.
Personally, I would look at suing the police force that she works for, that officer not only used what must be a personal device but also unlawfully divulged your information. I would also raise a case with the ICO since she is acting in the capacity of a police officer.
Love it, best one yet...the levels are going up in tandem with your confidence. Keep it up and thanks !
This is very interesting, you learn something every day! Respect!!
Keep us updated on this ASAP that is outrageous the police divulging your personal details
I think you're still entitled a VAT receipt for the original transaction. The fact they chose to give you a gift afterwards doesn't alter the fact you paid.
Your reaction when they had your details on the form was priceless 😂😂😂
I think that "no means to pay" form is a contract where you agree to return and pay within a certain amount of time. It should be filled out and signed by the person making the contract. The WPC abused her power to request my details and the allow the staff to fraudulently fill out the form. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a forged signature on it too. Bossuk runs the scheme to recover unpaid contracts that people have made using those forms and the police deal with people who make off without paying. I'm in neither of those camps, as I paid. Its not everyday that some stranger throws £230 in your car..
@@julianchamberlain5399 I thought the same, they negated the debt lol you played that well and by the book. Extremely unprofessional police officer looks like she came in her personal car too & wasn’t even versed on the matter (they usually radio in for advice?)
Curious: what do you plan on doing regarding the data protection breach?
You're filming in a public place and thats another civil matter. But he's filming you because its private property and they can do what they like. What ?
@@doveronefoxtrot4417 that Sainsbury’s guy was really thick, you could hear it in his voice
@@onnatca I've logged a complaint on 101. An inspector rang last night at 12.30am to discuss with me. He understood the coin issue. I've messaged my solicitor about it to take civil action against them.
If educating uneducated childish public servants who don't know the law is a hassle then we have no hope, is it not better to educate and stop this constant infringement on our rights. Thank you Julian for taking this stand, Look forward to your follow up.
Respect to security guy. Shame the average PoPo not up to his standard.
Good for you civil action is the only action that is affective
That is a wonderful example of a legal transaction and so nice to see them forgive your debt. Now taking action against the PC for a breach of your data is the cherry on top. Love it !
I've had dealings with Exeter police when I was arrested for an alleged historic domestic and sexual abuse charge whilst going through a messy divorce. Which I was totally cleared of. Exeter police came to my workplace and forcably removed me at the start of my shift. I spent all day in a cell waiting for 2 officers that were travelling down from the north west to interview me. I wish I'd know what I know now and taken them to court after I'd been completely exonerated of the charges.
You should of done
People really have to stop calling members of the Constabulary officers they are men and women who hold the ancient office of Constable we do not abbreviate their rank to PO but to PC which means Police Constable. You always want to deal with them under Common Law jurisdiction but if you call them officer you are stepping out of Common Law into their corporate jurisdiction and their legal la la land.
What a great example of a very honest and diplomatic security Guy Somebody promote this Man !
OMG... an officer of the state disclosing personal details in a civil dispute
@Julia57 just me
Yes an officer of the state...
@Julia57 just me
"the state" = "the government"
Is a police officer an officer of the state... google says definitely yes 😳
@Julia57 just me So I guess we don't have "a Head of State" in the UK........and we don't have the position "Secretary of State"....
you are misinformed/wrong
Very interesting video, I look forward to any follow ups.
It’s already been said but again, that security guard was a breath of fresh air, everyone else with a name badge in that video could learn from him.
Security guy was sound if only more were like that
Breech of GDPR that carries a hefty fine for the force.
Unlikely. Deliberate but only one individual and rights and freedoms not necessarily affected by a great deal. If reported to the ICO, they will give the Police a stern undertaking at best. Can always take out an individual complaint though and see how it goes.
@@Mozza107 of course it carries a fine if proven and say no more the evidence is there what are you on
@@amybaccellini5438 you clearly know very little if anything of confidentiality breaches and the application of fines under GDPR and DPA18.
I just want to echo... the security guard is a total professional, polite and honourable. A decent fella. 👌
Once they acknowledged that the payment method was legal tender, you stuck around longer than I would have.
There wouldn't be a TH-cam video if he did.
Don't pay their demand ... take them to court for not accepting legal tender.
Don't report the pig on 101 we all know nothing will come of that ... see a solicitor
about the pigs serious breach of GDPR .... You will be quids in
Let's hope if he wins he's not paid in more of these coins!
Serious breach of GDPR don’t make me laugh
Throwing ‘some undetermined and unproven amount of money’ back into your vehicle doesn’t verify a refund or a cancelled transaction. No proof that you were given a full refund.
In fact I’d allege you were assaulted when they threw the item at you?
Royal mint creates a coin of legal tender, sells it to Joe public then instructs banks not to accept them back? Can one man take on the Bank of England? Maybe. Oh, and thanks for adjusting those lights!
A very illuminating comment.
Make sure you do make a COMPLAINT and don't let it go! What a silly COP. WHENWILL.THEY EVER LEARN? CHEERIO CHEERIO
XXC
My daughter drives for a limo bus company. She picked up a group of tourist from England and drove from the marina to a casino, 2 hour drive. 6 couples each tipped her 50 pound notes. Never seeing one herself she polity said Thank You and went about her day. She didn't realize they just tipped her $414 US dollars for a bus trip! No problem at the bank at all.
I'm glad for your daughter ,you'd probably be surprised how few people still tip in the UK a practice that has almost vanished over the last 40 years.
@@Evilroco because service employees are less corrupt now and don't stiff their employers?
I'm addicted already. First time I ever seen this. Nice. Love it. Watched the whole thing. On the edge of my seat. More please.
Security had a great approach to his job role, shame there are not more security caught on camera like this one. Legal tender, paid in full! I believe they accepted the payment which in turn finalised the sale. The fact that they came out to your car and gave you some money in my belief appears to be a monetary gift to you on behalf of Sainsbury's. I also believe in na civil court, the judge should find that they are legal tender and that you would not have to pay the bill a second time. I think Sainsbury's want the payment twice lol First. when you paid, and second when they take you to a civil court. Whats the worst that could happen, maybe just giving them the money back that they gifted to you through the window... I don't think they would be wise to waste any money on a civil matter when all it's going to do is cost them more money to potentially get the same money back that they gave you in the first place. I believe the police officer breached GDPR and gave your details to a third party nothing to do with her job as a police officer. She also said she understands that you paid! Police officer now accepts that you paid lol
33:40 the police officer confirmed they wanted another form of payment which means the police officer is stating it is acceptable for payment but not wanted by Sainsbury's to be accepted. Police officer realised she has breached GDPR whoops! Civil matter gone wrong for the police and all on camera, well done and a great civilised interaction by all parties in the matter.
Of COURSE they can bank it.
Go to a bank and pay it in.
How difficult is that?
See my video at Barclays Bank.
Same as banking foreign coins, the bank will refuse them.
They won't accept State approved money, but accept fiat contactless .
Keep us updated on this one too mate (Sharing your details and the payment). I really enjoyed that interaction and stand with you on it ... 👏👏👏
Julian,I've linked this video to
Auditing Britain. YT channel. As on his last video a pc shouted his full name in public.... hope it gets more viewers for you also. As I'm from S W also
Yes, that is the one who said that her friend told her AB's real name. Crimebodge may also be interested.
How have I missed your channel, now subbed you. This was a brilliant audit with so many things that Sainsbury’s and the copper did wrong. Please please take this further, I can’t wait to see what happens.
That copper was a disgrace, she not only breached data protection but took Sainsbury’s side instead of being impartial. Also, that chubby kid with the hi viz on, did anyone notice he stood there for the whole duration with his hands in his pockets, so unprofessional.
Yes, mentioned it to myself as he kept on doing it.
Informative, enlightening, educational, engaging, entertaining, wonderfully handled - subbed! And credit to the Security guy! 😉👍👏👏👏
Just started watching your content was put on to it by News Now yorkshire. I'm enjoying your work so far. Keep it up bud
Thankyou.
You silly girl 😂 well done mate for calling out a tyrant
just subscribed great video !! yes you went to the sainsburys at Alphington not at Pinhoe
Yay...been waiting for an upload! Thank you Julian, nice one 👍🙂
Anyone familiar with A.P.Herbert's "Misleading Cases" will recognise this as being in the same tradition - brilliant!
I've just listened to one on TH-cam, very well written and humorous. How the BBC has fallen from its glory days.
Is that officer working for the supermarket. Andy England 🇬🇧👍
@@Audit-The-Auditors yes officer
@@Audit-The-Auditors Not impartially though.
@@Audit-The-Auditors The correct response from the police was to say that its a civil dispute and nothing to do with the police. Instead she said "I'll get his details so you can fill out the no means to pay agreement while you put the coins in a bag and throw them back in his car" They want me to fill out the form and give me back the coins. I wanted them to accept my lawful payment. She clearly, erroneously and unlawfully took their side. Do you think she handled it correctly? I assume you are a police constable.
@@Audit-The-Auditors Its only an unusual situation due to the distorted reality that we now find ourselves in. How on earth can the police with a sworn oath to serve the Queen be arresting one of her subjects and bringing him before her court, for using one of her coins? A few hundred years ago the traitors would have been executed. But now , in the the new normal that you defend, a law abiding citizen is viewed as the wrong doer against a corrupt police who support the corporations and the system of things. My goal is to spend the coins as it is a legislated right.
@@Audit-The-Auditors Its a fair comment. I dont just do it for youtube. Its a matter of principle. I do appreciate it is quite an interesting and difficult conundrum and hard to compute on the spur of the moment. Thats why its quite interesting. Police are pretty good in this country generally. If you watched all my video encounters, the only bad policeman is Tony who arrested me for being called Julian. By testing the boundaries we maintain our rights.
So if I walked in and slapped 5x£20 and they said "I'm sry but we only except rabbit skins. Wtf do you do then...
If they had clear signage they only accept rabbit skins then thats what you'd have to pay. It was clear that I had to pay GBP pounds sterling which exactly what I offered for payment.
@@julianchamberlain5399 I agree 100%.
Where's this place you're on about ? I've got a shitload of rabbit skins...
Great vid.
@@Doug791 lol
If your only allowed to put 30 liters in a container then surely they should switch the pump off when you get to that amount.
Doesn't this remind you of when Bitcoin was first used in a coffee shop as payment - the coffee shop refused....if only hey, now bitcoin is riding high.
I saw a video from a US airport where a security guard said the auditor had a bag full of bitcoins.
There other crypto currencies that have made me loads in the last 12 months
@@legobatman8353 That was funny as fook mate 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Never lower youre window dude!!
Having the window down, I captured incriminating evidence that she was the ring leader of the plan to use her authority as a police officer to gain my details, fraudulently impersonate me in a written contract and encourage the staff to throw Sainsburys money in my car.
Risking being given £230 in cash.. nobody wants that... no wait...yeah they do!
The little Sainsbury twerp that talked to whilst you were waiting for the police was an absolute nutcase. Didn't listen, didn't want to understand, had the wrong ideas about the law both on legal tender & photography. Plus he was rude and unprofessional with passive aggressive thrown in for good measure.
He was a bit of a Karen..
Very interesting work ...
@@brianbickle7395 what?
@@brianbickle7395 you're watching it... 😂
@@brianbickle7395 Jesus 😂 are you the cop he's done in for a load of dosh/done out of a job or something?
Cracking video. You set up a wonderful scenario that would have puzzled most of us. I must say that the best part of your videos is your demeanour. Doesn't give 'them' something to rail against.
Btw, I've noticed in some of the posts that the question of the cop being on/off duty. Surely irrelevant if she identified as a constable rather than an 'off duty constable' when you asked if she was a sergeant?
Think you scared her shitless there. If only more cops would choose to leave when they've been smashed. Usually they hang about, talk in riddles, attempt to intimidate, & do anything else that gives them more time to think up an array of charges they can concoct.
The PC broke DPA2018 and GDPR, a straight case for the ICO.
Police IRU dept complaint ( DPA2018 Section 165 ), and a Police PSD complaint of unlawful action of the Officer of giving personal sensitive information to a 3rd party.
She did it lawfully
@@livestream3946 How is it lawful?
Good Onya Bro I Like Your Style
Blessings From Birmingham England :)
I lost a 2 pound coin once .I'm still devasted about it to this day!
I found a 2 pound coin once. I couldn't believe my luck!
I love all this type of stuff and fair play to the security guard for being so calm and not heavy handed. The way I see it is this... either the coinage IS legal tender as declared by the ROYAL MINT or it is not and the ROYAL MINT are committing fraud. Personally I think the Royal mint are correct. I understand that there is regulation on the amount of coinage that companies will accept for payment but this normally covers the smaller denomination coin and not high value ones such as this gentleman used.
It is a shame to use the coins in this way though as they'll probably be worth quite a lot in a few years time.
They don’t have means to bank it, so they just have a pile of cash out the back!
Yes, she committed an offence. She broke the data protection act law. Similar happen to me about 5-6 years ago. I had a fare dispute with British Rail. TOLD BR to call the police, police came I gave them my details, police gave BR my details. Walked right into my trap.
Police broke the data protection act.
No case.
Not correct. It’s lawful for them to do so to enable a civil action to be brought.
@@livestream3946 incorrect hence why she ran away when challenged
You learn things everyday, I didn’t realise that you can spend them I thought you just collect them and they are worth more money the older the coins
It started with a bloke buying 2million quids worth from the mint because they was giving air miles away with them.
He paid off his card and debt by selling the miles on I think eBay. Then cashed in his 2million of coins as legal tender. Something along them line's.
@@briancohenthepfjmassive.4769 I think he bought £30k from the mint on a credit card to get air miles and then paid the credit card with the coins. Royal Mint advised the banks not to accept them as their profitable little scam would unravel. The shops and supermarkets etc would be happy to accept them if it wasn't for the banks which are private institutions largely bailed out by the public.
@@julianchamberlain5399 thanks I don't know how the 2million got there. You should write a bit about that and paste it on a few video's. It's like the man who got X amount of air miles for buying all the bananas he could from Tesco's and give them away at the door.
@@briancohenthepfjmassive.4769 This is the story you are thinking of.
www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-3390519/I-buy-Royal-Mint-commemorative-coins-bulk-credit-card-gain-airmiles-cash-bank-s-refusing-accept-them.html
@@julianchamberlain5399 I just read it. That means the 100 coin is worth about as much as my Peter Shilton coin from the shell garage in the 80s.
Legal tender has a very narrow and technical meaning in the settlement of debts. It means that a debtor cannot successfully be sued for non-payment if he pays into court in legal tender. It does not mean that any ordinary transaction has to take place in legal tender or only within the amount denominated by the legislation. Both parties are free to agree to accept any form of payment whether legal tender or otherwise according to their wishes.
Compare that to the Bank of England website definition
And why ate Sainsburys employing 12 year old anyway?
Thank you kolee berks... Brought me here...massively entertaining guy.. Throwing it back in your car was a sad move on their part
Cheers for this fella.
@@sidbroughton8750 for?
@@alsoknOwnAs4 sorry I was thanking kolee Berks for finding this you tuber.
I thought it was very charitable. Its not everyday some stranger throws £230 in your car and runs away.
@@julianchamberlain5399 yea i suppose.
Shot off as soon as you took her to task about your personal details, great vid, very interesting 👍🏻
What a waste of people’s time this is. What does any of this really achieve?
A clear breach of “GDPR”!
I thoroughly enjoyed your video! Personally, I would have taken the coins back to them along with their stupid form and left the whole lot on the counter. ‘Paid in full’ written right across the form, signed and dated. Their problem not yours my friend. The WPC doesn’t seem to want to abide by the law. Breaking data protection tut tut tut !!!! We need an update on that one please.
The officer did not witness you drive the car, so why admit you drove the car and give details!?😳 you behind the wheel is irrelevant.
They initially collected the coins then threw them back into your car.. you should have thrown the coins and paper work back out and accuse them of littering your car.
Your really brave. On behalf of all women and vulnerable people - thank you. 😁 Look after yourself - it's alot to be dealing with. You are appreciated 💕
Are they not dishonouring the queen by not accepting it ?
She commited treason in my opinion.
@@julianchamberlain5399 me personally , would write them out a promissory note , that would bring trust law in to play , (use your bond) equity , (man holds no liability) remember that mate 💪👍
Get names and addresses of people you deal with , never answer questions , civil matter , no crime , so the constables are not acting under their oath , all what happened to you was unlawful
We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing,typical police
What about a 10 kilo gold coin from the Royal Mint?
That would be a pretty big coin!! 😳😂🤣
@@Marc-Anthony00 Queens beast. Value £400,000 plus
One of the most interesting auditing content I have ever seen!
Thankyou.