Who Wins? Weight Reduction Vs. HorsePower. Mercedes C43 AMG & See Through Car Drag Race + Burnouts!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
- How much crap do you need to take off a 220 Horsepower car to keep up with a 302 horsepower car? In this video, we find out if the lightweight V6 powered See Through Mercedes can keep up with a 302 horsepower V8 powered C43 AMG. We also do some burnouts and I show you my next mod to the super cheap 1999 C43.
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Here's how I made it faster.
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So why did he take off panels but leave all the extra seats? So confused
Good question. The original purpose of his car wasn't just to race me. He has a series on his channel on showing the car's suspension travel in slow motion among other things. We may take the seats out in the next race as it's pretty easy to do.
Thanks for watching and check out warped perception if you want to see more on the other car.
Alex
How’s he gonna take his kids to school??
And leave radio etc in the dashboard
Yeah the seats are the heavy parts
Best weight reduction is to drive on air. Best weight reduction, but it comes with a compromise, u can't drive anything XD.
That is one very unhealthy C43. Almost 2.5 seconds slower to 60mph than it should be.
Like most of the cars that are this old
Plus it is an automatic transmission.
@@JeoDestra not really, a well maintained car should make full power even if its 20 years old. Age isn't significant on an engine unless its been very badly maintained.
@@monsterGLL what u getting at?
You’re probably forgetting elevation over sea level, high elevation suffocates very bad any N/A engine
Why? Because weight reduction bro.
My 99 C43 was hitting 60 in 5.6s with 300k miles. My 94 C280 was hitting 60 in 7.5s. Your C43 is REALLY underperforming.
My 190E 2.6 would match his C43, and the 86 420SEL I used to own would consistently run 0-60 in 8.5 seconds with 3 people in the car.
th-cam.com/video/Ff0b8exjHaY/w-d-xo.html Granted, this was when she ONLY had 260k miles. And if you googled for 5 seconds you'd see there's no work to be done to improve the 4.3 AMG motor. It's topped out from factory. I still have this engine on display, enshrined forever.
Red Af Looks like he's got one of those "alternative physics" turbos that stop time, or something.
Brian Carroll holy smokes man, that thing takes off
1. Get it to run (at least close) to factory specs
2. Add nitrous
In that order please!
Eduard van Raalte Oh for sure!!
LegitStreetCars Looking forward to your next video(s)! Quite curious what’s holding the AMG back. (Likes&subscribed)
1:53 remove unnecessary seats for moar weight reduction bro.
I think that c43 missing those air filter intake tubes is killing it,it’s taking hot air from the engine into the intake instead of cool air from outside ,i don’t know if I’m right
That is a pretty sound hypothesis.
Nope
Not Hitler every ten degrees is 1 hp
It's the MAF
@Not Hitler The moment you start moving it is ambient under the hood. I've tested it because I was curious. So unless you do uphill with a caravan or heavy city traffic in scorching summer temperatures, the is no difference.
Man.. 8.8 seconds just sucks.. something's wrong with this car, completely wrong... mercedes 190 2.6 will do 7.5-8.0 seconds :)
2.6 is quoted 8.6s, at least in stock form. The Sportline package is a misnomer lol. Makes no sense that they didn't offer a 190E 3.0, would have probably
only made it low 7s 0-60 though
eh i threw a conrod in my 190 xd
forreal, something's wrong with his car!
That C43 has a fantastic exhaust note...pure AMG...
For those wondering if the C43 was down on horsepower. Here is the dyno video.
th-cam.com/video/PmBRTwLZu-0/w-d-xo.html
You think I can go 12s in the quarter with a 125 shot and drag radials??
LegitStreetCars hmm..... maybe. Whats up with the engine? Is the compression low or something.
LegitStreetCars usemy 2003 CL500 in one of your kids. It will smoke the crap out of the e320
Justin Bozeman I'm pretty sure they are aware of everything you just said.
I personally think that you my friend are not aware of the purpose of these videos.
8.3s 0-60? that's even worse than my clk 320 from 1998. also the car looks like shit from inside.
If you granny shiftin' not double clutchin' like you should, you'd be lucky that 125 shot of NOS doesn't blow your welds on the intake!!!...
lol that road was %100 not closed. Nice try though.
bdpa kaknox you can see my girl directing traffic at 6:42, Alex was telling the truth
If the road was closed you would of used both lanes, instead of dangerously trying to race in the right lane and shoulder.
Also, at 7:01 and 7:04 we can see 2 cars going
Uros Blagojevic well yes we are required to direct traffic and keep things moving
bdpa kaknox It's much easier if you keep one lane open, if you completely block a street it's about 10 times the amount of work and time as you have to redirect traffic to an alternate route, things are much different in larger cities.
Get rid of all the bondo and you can win lol.
Weight reduction trumps everything. Plus you need less of everything too: power, brakes, suspension.
My 5.7 V8 Commander weights 2.5tons. The ND Miata 1.5 is about 985Kg. Power to weight on both is 0,132, with the Miata having a slight edge, and there's no contest about which one is the overall fastest car.
Iñigo Zapata But with less weight you need stickier tyres to grip since your taking weight off the tyres your losing grip.
Shabuti R18 Downforce.
With the Miata you can just brake and turn harder
No Name Downforce increases weight.... Thats what weight does.
And downforce only occurs at speed, you are still going to need that extra grip to get to those speeds safely.
Downforce wont solve your problem.
Shabuti R18 ? Why do you need extra grip at low speeds?
And secondly, mods to the aerodynamics could actually decrease the weight of the car, because theyre often made from light materials like carbon.
The trend of light and powerful cars with huge amounts of downforce can be seen all through racing.
F1, Rally... etc.
“And my shifter just fell off”
You won the second and third race. If a car or it's driver is not able to change into second gear, that's not a great race car/driver. Can you imagine Usain Bolt losing a race and saying: "Nah bruh I honestly won because, you know, I didn't move my legs fast enough because I had a mistake, so since it was a mistake I truly won, so sorry real winner, I'll take the prize" That's ridiculous isn't it? Same with this
You just motivated me to build a full carbon fibre stock standard e320, Thank You , and there's plenty more weight in a merc!
"Simplify and add lightness"
The motto of racing driver and fast car Yoda, Colin Chapman. He founded Lotus, so he knew what he was talking about, and proved that underpowered light cars will beat overpowered heavy cars every time.
I think the C43 could use some love :) i think it's lost half it's horsepower haha :)
Jonas Hansson he dyno tested it and it has only lost 1 hp over the years
We tend to view the cars we like the best as better than they are, but this Mercedes was never really "that" fast.
I had a '98 C43 from '99-'12, putting 227K on it. 8+ second 0-60 means you're seriously down on power at the rear wheels (but you knew that). Good luck getting it closer to spec performance.
First question though; have you dyno'ed it yet? It would help to know what's actually hitting the road.
Have fun with it. I lost mine when a very stupid deer decided to cross a road.
I still miss that car.
Good stuff this.
Zero BS just 2 guys having fun and being entertaining!
That poor poor m113 engine! Someone really trashed that C43. I find it to be so sad, and whats worse is that the car is not worth saving from a financial standpoint. Its only value now is in parts only.
Simple: Time to LS swap it
Ruin car with muscle engine?:)
Better use RB/JZ engine.
Just use JDM Legend Engine
Integrafreak1 yeah cheap, reliable power, simple, small& compact, light and it breathes good and murica
Tony Valdez overrated
Coyote swap
You have come so far with your channel. Still super content like earlier when you started the channel. Keep going like this and you will be the most loved car channel in YT, zero bullshit or clickbait. Nice
Thanks so much. Appreciate you watching.
Alex
It's killing him that an AMG car is losing to an E320, but I've seen too many videos of these AMG engines blowing up and from the start he had a vacuum leak. In another video someone's AMG engine threw a rod cause of a bad seal for the oil pump system. I'm not so sure that engine is putting out 302 horsepower after all these years.
Demetrius Lolos since when did you hear m113 43 engines blowing up lmfao that rarely happens
There's a video of a guy who was racing his AMG and threw a rod cause of a dried up oring seal for the oil pickup in his engine. Then he got another engine that was fine but tore that apart to find the same problem, just not as bad as his was. It's a E55 not a C43 but still.
th-cam.com/video/lUAB7lKoIt0/w-d-xo.html
Who's Cletus MacFarlane???
That see thru car must be Leroy's twice removed cousin or something,,,, Hell yeah brother!!!
No forest preserve roads for this guy!, Let's take this to the hood!
Power to weight ratio = name of the game
The see through merc is quicker off the line because both cars have similar grip, but alot less weight in the see through. Force =mass X acceleration. Force is engine power turning the wheels and gripping the road surface. In 1st and second gears, full power in both cars will spin the wheels easily, so amount of force you can put onto the road, and the amount of power being used will be lower than max because grip is similar and the see through uses a higher percentage of its available power. Acceleration =force/mass. Force is similar at low speeds before wind resistance takes effect, so by far the biggest difference is just weight. Basically, the amg cannot use all its power at slow speed, and the other car can use a similar amount.
Makes sense, imagine a 3 kg, 3 hp versus 10 kg on 10 hp car, and the 3 hp car wins, you need at least a 13 hp car to match the 3/3, and 14 hp in the 10 kg car, to 'win' from the 3/3 car. The higher you go, the higher the difference has to be, though percentage wise, it will be similar with the example I gave. Weight reduction always wins from hp gain. An indication is the speed with which you go from 0-20, as opposed to the speed from 240-260, or, if you leave the throttle at 260, as opposed to leaving the throttle at 120. At 260 your speed diminishes really fast, at 120 it diminishes much slower. Gravity always wants to keep you at one spot, whilst 'allowing' you to accelerate slower rather than faster, and vice versa. Unless your car gets to weigh more than planet Earth, you don't have to worry, lol.
Yeah some of my vacuum tubing is a sprinkler pipe
It’s great
"roads were blocked off in this video" *Ford Edge drives by*
Oh man good video, warp perception man with you, I like the idea when two youtuber works together, greetings
I had a car that I raced and I did some serious weight reduction and it really helped it go faster. It’s all about power to weight ratio. Try pulling 600 lbs out of a big block dodge and see for your self if you doubt it
Sooo, no one gonna mention dudes hand?
Doty Rd? Instead of stripping that E320 Matt should've added armor plating, and bulletproof glass driving through that hood... lol. Good vid as always!
Kamil Zieba Haha, so true
Kamil Zieba everyone was very nice actually, the people around there love Mercedes.
Man that C43 in inexplicably slow. I know it was hot out but the car's Na. That burnout seemed to take about as much effort as my w202 c230k with a welded diff!
Weight Reduction reduces Grip but increases Acceleration
For sure weight reduction does a better run
Turn ignition switch on hold the gas pedal down for 60 seconds it will reset the ECM for a new driving style. I had a CLK that was like that a old lady on it and it shifted real slow and sluggish.
Bro, who the fuck is driving the weight reduced car? Dude's having a hard time driving a damn automatic my god.
When new, C43 did approx 6.5s to 60 and E320 with all body panels around 7.5s
That c43 needs a new maf, or new spark plugs I PROMISE you the Maf is main issue with w202
I reckon that c43 probably doesn't have the 80hp advantage anymore dyno it to see how much power it's lost
thanos mousios I did! It made almost the same power as it did new. It was a few videos ago, check it out
Blow that shit up. Would be super cool to see how much NOS it takes until it blows.
"Road closed off"
*sees chrysler Pacifica drive by*
😂😂
Americans are just now catching on to weight reduction . europiens have been doing that since the 70s. just look at lotus.
I read somewhere online😂 that approx 600lbs in weight reduction = 50 more hp equivalent
Weight, air and mechnical resistants are enemies for speed. Plus lightweight and low air drag are most efficient(Low fuel, low power, low braking zone and most cornering ability). Like F1, planes and bicycles
I was told for 7 pounds removed was like adding 1 horsepower. After doing more research more people say it's about 10. So by that your supposed 80 horsepower advantage would be 20. And have more weight to push. But neither car was running great.
Not only in acceleration the lighter car have advantage... It also had better cornering, better at braking and also can conserved tires way better too...!!!
I'm a Mercedes fanboy so this was cool to watch.
I dont mean to sound rude but that is one battered C43, I think a well maintained one would perform to its factory claims. That chopped up E class is pretty cool though and to think the diesel version is even faster :0 lol. The C43 does have a wonderful engine!
So basically you just said, I lost to a car that didn't have to work as hard because of the weight, so to beat it this time I am going to push my engine harder with nitrous, lol have fun rebuilding your engine in 6 months
Stay tuned!!
I will, and if you pull it off I will be your biggest supporter, but increasing heat and pressure, isn't always the best way to go
Great videos... thanks for sharing. How much weight do you think you could take out of the C43 to improve off the line?
You’re lucky WP doesn’t have an E500... He would’ve smoke you
please do another run when the seethrough car repair the transmission
somewhere the ghost of Colin Chapman is not surprised
Long live NA V8 Mercedes AMGs
This is the new ricer weight reduction
1. Do a 5.5L M113 swap first. Same ECU, plug and play. Hoon. Hoon more.
2. Add turbo.
We all know that's where this is going... RIGHT?!
*Edit - And don't even utter the letters LS unless in jest. You know what must be done.
Haha, all bets are off with this car. LS would be sweet but I think I'll start with some nitrous
Also works. I'd say you'd get more views going my route but I dunno if it's worth the extra few stacks vs. just blowing it up with nitrous because also views lol... just to play devil's advocate though, here's a fun build from the U.K...best of luck either way man, great content as usual.
th-cam.com/video/u8jBC1CQ2KQ/w-d-xo.html
Please order a GENUINE maf for the c43 the difference will be night and day.
Its because the C320 is a much newer car, its base platform is much newer than that old AMG. V8 doesnt mean u win in this case
Wouldn’t the lack of panels fuck up the aero?
I see nothing strange here ...
With weight reduction ... you will get a faster starts with the same power ...
But ... after building up some speed ... factors will flip over immediately, especially the aerodynamics.
Suggest you do some work to your engine, my c43 dose 0-60 less than 6 seconds and its stock with 160k miles.
Mine needs lots of work.
Im very excited to see what will you do to yours
I forgot to mention the transmission fluid check it out bro and make sure if your car takes off on the 1st shift.
Plenty more weight to come off the see through still.
Love this stuff
If the road was blocked off for you guys to do this why did you cram in one lane like that?
Not having any doors is gonna suck air into the air and act like a parachute and slow the car down due to tons of drag. You probably should've put something lightweight just to cover it up
Can't wait to see your c43 go with nitrous, ha ha that will be interesting!
This is similar to the old hot rod magazine article from the 80s called caddy hack.
They took a big land yacht old Cadillac and got it to rip mid 13s without touching the engine, by cutting things off.
A lot of things.
Good times with hashtagweightreductionbrah
MrHillfolk I remember an article in the 90’s where they took a junkyard big block and crammed it in a tiny car and ended up running 10’s. Was funny since you could see the back half of the motor inside the car.
Stunning
will a 200 pound reduction help increase acceleration a tiny bit?
It will but it will make more positive difference on handling
Is this why Takumi was able to keep up with Keisuke ?
You need to close the openings. The drag slow down and will fuck up the comparison when you get up to a decent speed.
manual vs conventional automatic in almost same power to weight ratio?
He should remove the rear windscreen on the seethrough e320 as it is creating a lot of drag because the car has no doors.
Wtf with that steering column mate?
You should also try swapping drivers
Great fun to watch !
Many thanks.
Quick question...can the supercharger from the E55 be swapped onto the C55?? That'd be awesome to have E55 power with C55 weight.
I'm sure it's possible but there is a lot more to it then just bolting the blower on. Fuel system, intercooler, tuning etc. The NA 55 engine was a lot higher compression too.
Common question. Many people take the M113 out of the C55 and replace it with the M113K. It drops right in. I’ve seen people do it for $6k including the cost of the M113K. Cooling and traction become an issue and reliability isn’t as great. The C55 is the Camry of AMG cars and swapping in the M113K defeats that purpose for most. It’s better just to buy an E55 for the weekend and a C55 daily. I love my C55 as a daily.
This w211 is have more disadvantage by the drag than advantage by the weightreduction
Alex, can you recommend a set of wheels and drag radials for an E55? If not any input to help me launch and not spin like crazy would be helpful.
Im always at Doty in my clk 55. Let me kno when u go again so we can film at drag race!!
yeah lets do another collab, I may have to go back there very soon.
I haven't seen anybody mention if they were both 5 speeds or if the 320 had a newer 7 speed? Also, because of less torque, the 320 would have a higher ratio differential which would translate to a quicker shot out of the hole. But, with the torque of the 4.3, the AMG would take it higher speeds which makes total sense...
benzitoracer They both have the 5 speed auto
benzitoracer well that won't apply to my car in this case, I barely have three gears, in the first race which was the most straightforward, I got up to 3rd gear and that was it. I'm going to try to fix the problem with the trains next week. But I had no gears most of the time
Warped Perception can we expect to see more see-through car content? I loved those vids.
That was fun . . . DO MORE !
It would have been a lot worse if that newer mercedes was a E220 diesel😂😂😂
If you are over 2 seconds slower than the real 0-60 for the C43, then it's probably not making that much more than the C320 and seeing you fix the engine to make it perform better would be more interesting than just slapping a nitrous kit on it in my opinion. And the performance increase would probably be the same if it should do just over 6 seconds to 60 stock.
Now duct tape the open car around... It'll be way faster lol
What does he do with that car lol, he’s done with the see through car series isn’t he? Umm. Mate his car is like 1 pound.. why are you surprised lol
No not yet, I have like three more episodes to go (they are insane), but I ended up helping out Alex with his video instead.
Try to get them both on a dyno! It's my first time tuning in but I love it!!
Should do a rear mount like stav-techs old e55
The car with the 80 HP should a ET .22 faster. the rule of thumb is a ET .10 or a .12 difference. Like 10hp can be a ET .10 or .12 and the 100 pounds can be a ET .10 or .12 difference.. To me I think I like the weight saving .
Im glad you fixed the car before you raced
Remove the seats on the E320. Those things weigh a ton.
Is it possible that the transmission on the C43 is slipping in 1st or the converter is always locked up? Seems that when it hits 2nd gear it goes good. Dyno is done in 3rd or 4th?
i used to have the c36 amg and oh my that car was surprisingly quick! ive always wanted another c36 or c43 and boost it!
@6:12 Tell us again about the closed highway
Does 0 to 60 in 8 sec, cries.
Indians: woah, supercar
"Closed off road" *car drives by*