He's even forced to hold a Life Orb, he has absolutely no value to Ghetsis. Ghetsis even managed to force him to evolve early, imagine the stresses, maybe even tortures, it takes to do that. He's just a tool for Ghetsis, Hydreigon knows it very well and *despises* him for that.
Not just with a passion. Full-powered frustration means it physically cannot hate him more. He would need to beat this thing regularly to even APPROACH how much it despises him.
I mean those two at least successfully committed a few crimes, even though the crimes were loitering and financial fraud. What did Archer even do at all?
And I’m betting they are gonna slap a Roseli Berry and/or Flash Cannon on him in the remakes like they did with Cynthia’s Garchomp having a Yache Berry and Poison Jab.
I only play casually but I use a Tera Steel Hydreigon with Flash Cannon and you'd be surprised how many games I've won by catching Flutter Manes off guard
Honestly, my favourite thing about Ghetsis has to be the fact that his cruelty is reflected in his pokemon. His teams are well suited to counter N, y'know, in case the boy gets any ideas about a revolution. Aside from his ace, he uses the most henchmen pokemon ever: Seismitoad and Bouffalant are the one getting off to diving head first into a wall; Bisharp,Drapion and Toxicroak are the ones that ran around with scissors back in the nurseries; Cofagrigus and Eelektross, suitable to instill trauma into anyone they get their pinchers on. And of course, Hydreigon, that is evolved ten levels early, wears a marble that gives it even more power in exchange for some life expectancy and the fact that this absolute hedge of a specimen knows max power Frustration, as in, it is so pissed off at its trainer, it can tear open a volcano. You just know Ghetsis was mean to this bunch, Bisharp just evolved at level 52, immediatly thrown into battle, Hydreigon was catching the end of that cane 6 times before it went to sleep and another 6 when it was supposed to get up, had to forcefully evolve to at least open its eyes up and gain a pair(?) of wings in case things got messy.And I just love that, I adore how much of a dickhead they made this pale, dried-lime-haired old man in every aspect.
We are talking about the man who bullied a legendary pokémon feigned as the most powerful dragon type in the world into submission so I have no doubt that everything you said could be absolutely true and confirmed by gamefreak someday
I respect Lysander as a villain for one reason: he canonically charges money to join Team Flare, and it ain’t cheap neither he puts his goons into debt just to follow him and even an Elite Four member paid it. If that ain’t evil, I don’t know what is 🤣
TBH that's the big reason I disrespect him. You're gonna go about gassing on about how much you hate greed, and then go around charging people to not get genocided? He's SUCH a hypocrite and they don't say shit about it. Like, yeah, I get it, I hate capitalism too, but this ain't it chief.
True but he is a villain so a little bit of hypocrisy should be present to help highlight the fact that they are wrong. Do agree that someone in universe should have called him out on it though.
Ghetsis' plan was pretty amazing for a power grab in the Pokemon world. Being the only one with Pokemon would be absolutely broken in such a relatively passive world.
@@emblemblade9245Who cares, the “king” of the region who he has under his influence has a legendary on his team. Cynthia can definitely stand up to N, but then Ghetsis comes and cleans up after N softens her up.
That’s what I’m saying! At the end of black and white, when you’re in the Castle, one of the plasma scientists even mentions they took notice of how Team Rocket/Galactic/etc failed because they’re shady operations were far too much in the public eye and made sure they didn’t make the same mistakes. Team plasma doing all they’re scheming behind the scenes while maintaining their “humane activist group” image in the public eye is why Ghetsis’ plan is very impressive. Literally using public opinion and mob mentality to make people feel the need to release their Pokémon, all because the new champion N said so. It’s a damn good plan, ngl.
Keep in mind, Volo isn’t as vile as Ghetsis or as methodical as Giovanni, but he accomplished something no other villain could, and that’s making a pact of equal partnership with a literal God in Giratina. Giratina hates Arceus for being banished and Volo wants to become a god in his own right. An alliance based on hating Arceus bringing these two together is exactly why he is a fantastic villain to me. He doesn’t control Giratina, they’re equal partners, and he didn’t even need to use mind control to do it, like how Ghetsis used Kyurem.
Yeah, a God helping a mortal of their own choice rather than a god being controlled by a mortal is much more terrifying. Atleast with the latter, you can almost always count on the fact that once broken free, the enraged god will turn on the mortal. With the former there is no such guarantee. You're messing with the mortal that this god favours.
Also, man's definitely immortal. That line about centuries was not a throwaway bit, Volo knows shit he absolutely should NOT and he takes it VERY personally.
@@demi-femme4821 I like to interpret that line as his will would carry on, not him being an immortal. If he did not find Arceus, then someone in his lineage would, which ultimately came true because Cynthia saw Arceus first hand in the Sinjoh ruins event in HGSS.
@@mr.lantern1111 he fed Giratina the power it needed to try and fight Arceus and in exchange, he offered Volo that strength. A partnership between these two makes them far more terrifying, in my opinion. Not only that, but it shows Giratina is cunning and willing to work with others to achieve its goal. That kinda, in a strange way, makes Giratina quite humble, ironically, seeing how his lore effectively makes him the satan of Pokémon.
That Scooby Doo comparison, every member even fills the same role. Penny is Velma (the smart observant one), Nemona is Daphne (rich girl who's talented in whatever the plot needs her to be, in this case battling), Arven is Shaggy (guy who just wants to eat sandwiches with his dog), and the protagonist is Fred (appointed leader for some reason, while not really having much of a personality, and provides the ride)
Now being fair to Archer he knows he's a side man because the whole point of team rocket in the gold silver games was to bring the big bad boss Giovanni back and if he succeed he would of slinked back to his original position so give him credit for that
Naw man. We needed starscream. Archer should have been trying to get Gio out of the way gen 1. Then taking over gen 2. But you know, gen 2 wasn’t exactly planned. They still could have come up with something better. I think the video is right about the rival stealing the villain energy.
What is this guy talking about?? Archer at LAST??! He was OVERLEVELED when you fight him at like lvl 35 trying to bring back his leader who STOLE from many and KILLED pokemon Also Houndoom is a very powerful mon and should be used by villains sadly he is the only villain that uses Houndoom (Oops I forgot Cyrus exists) but Flint Karen and who else also use houndoom which should not have happened have you seen it's pokedex entry??
I was honestly shook when he put Giovanni in second. I knew Unova's villain was going to be up there but I never thought he'd put him in front of his man.
@@kjellandrebakken6775 Keep in mind as well that in the USUM Rainbow Rocket arc, the alternate universe Ghetsis blatantly states that he has plans to usurp and dispose of RR's Giovanni in order to take over as leader of Rainbow Rocket and amass even more power. Obviously he's evil, but more than that, he's arrogant and power hungry. Looking at their prime universe counterparts, it's my personal view that Giovanni would probably consider Ghetsis and his actions abhorrent and monstrous, going way too far according to Giovanni's own standards and crossing lines he never would. In fact, I think it would be fair to say Giovanni in the prime universe might try to destroy Ghetsis himself if they were to meet, even if he just wrote it off as "Having a maniac like that running around would be bad for business" as a reason. And you can bet that if RR's Ghetsis had gotten the chance to try and take down RR's Giovanni, he would've tried to have that monster of a Hydreigon turn Giovanni into roast chicken just to sadistically watch him suffer. The best fictional character I could compare Ghetsis to would probably be Killzone's Scolar Visari. In other words, a man who is at once a skilled persuasive speaker whilst also be a completely nepotistic, cruel, and spiteful dictator to those beneath him just because he can. Granted, I don't necessarily think Ghetsis's character has quite the same nuance or historical inspiration, but he does cut the figure of a ruthless dictator who only cares about power and his own ego at the expense of everyone and everything else.
Well, Volo is Cynthia's ancestor. No wonder he's broken as hell. Granted, Cynthia can clobber you in a fair fight while Volo needs a little help from Satan after his team softens you up but the dude has "overpowered" in his DNA.
@@tomnorton4277 Cynthia got her bullshit power from Volo tbf, not the other way around. I think it's way more impressive to have a Cynthia level team, AND a legendary pokemon as your FRIEND ready to just jump on sight. Volo was really on some ''Giratina strike them down!'' shit centuries before Cynthia was even a swimmer in her dads sack lol
Another thing about Ghetsis... his Hydreigon knows Frustration. His Hydreigon actively hates him. All this blustering about why Cyrus has a Crobat who evolves when they become good friends with their trainer must have really irritated Game Freak, because then they make a villain whose star Pokemon is seriously considering eating his trainer. Ghetsis' battle theme is also very in line with his character because if you listen close enough, you'll hear the cracking of whips.
He's even forced to hold a Life Orb, he has absolutely no value to Ghetsis. Ghetsis even managed to force him to evolve early, imagine the stresses, maybe even tortures, it takes to do that. He's just a tool for Ghetsis, Hydreigon knows it very well and *despises* him for that.
@@shouldveusedsafesearch8099 Well from a stat perspective, of course it is. I'm talking from a lore and story perspective. Any ten year old worth their salt can utilize a Hydreigon with powerful special moves like Surf and Flamethrower, but it takes a special kind of monster to go out of their way make their Pokemon get a 102 for Frustration and actively maintain that. Let me put it this way: Winning makes your Pokemon like you more. Walking around with it makes it like you more. Feeding your Pokemon berries and vitamins makes it like you more. There are certain actions that lower friendship, but they are far fewer than the ones that improve it. What this means is even if the Hydreigon wins, it will be made to lose. If it eats, it's a diet of Herbal Medicine and for a carnivore, that's hell. If it ever gets remotely close to Ghetsis, it will be made to suffer.
Man I had to instantly click on this because if I don't I'll get furry swiped from galarian Meowth next time I step into the pub to give myself a nice buzz
As someone who’s first pokemon generation was 5, Growing up is in part realising how absolutely horrifying ghetsis was in retrospect. Anyway every one of your videos manages to be more entertaining than the last, cackled out loud more times than I can count on this one 👍
@@BJGvideos i think i was maybe 7 or 8 at the time of playing pokemon white? i didnt have the brain capacity to process all of the bizarre culty undertones and implied child abuse. excluding the obvious attempt on the player's life in bw2 there's a lot of alarmingly dark theming that only really registers when your frontal lobe develops enough to think about it a little bit harder
With Team Rocket its "If I don't win this battle, these people are going to steal my Pokemon!" With Cyrus it's "If I don't win this battle, there could be cataclysmic damage to the world as we know it!" But with Ghetsis, it's "If I don't win this battle, this man is going to kill me."
With Ghetsis, the imminent fear is bigger, but with Cyrus I would have half a mind to just beat him to death upon losing. If I lose, I don't die, the entirety of reality including all of my loved ones is just erased from existence, while this gelled up dickhead makes his own black and white old timey cartoon ass universe.
As fantastic as the Ghetsis rant was, truly couldn’t have summed him up better myself, I’m surprised you didn’t bring up what he tries to pull in Ultra. Man tried pulling the same shit he did with N on Giovanni, it’s implied by Ghetsis having the dragon that he actually killed N, and then when he loses he threatens to kill Lillie with his bare hands if Elio/Selene doesn’t back off.
Yeah, I mentioned that above. The man truly has no morals. I honestly believe, given that Giovanni at least has some lines he won't cross, that the prime universe version of Giovanni would try to destroy Ghetsis even if he just wrote it off as "Keeping that maniac alive would be bad for business" or some other such dubious reasoning. Truly, Ghetsis stands out to me as the most evil Pokemon evil team leader. For the most evil team or organization, I've got to go with Cipher in Coliseum and XD. Their cruelty, the crimes they commit on the regular against both other people and Pokemon, and just the sheer audacity they have in creating Shadow Pokemon (which literally have been made into vicious soulless killing machines by Pokemon standards) puts them above literally any main series evil team in my estimation.
Come to think of it, I'm surprised the leaders of Cipher (Evice in Coliseum and Greevil in XD) didn't get any mention at all. Man, I guess people really do forget those games even existed.
This script is brilliant. Gliscor being a wild card is not only funny but also refers to how versatile it is in the games. And Lysandre being of two minds about whether to destroy the world or not refers to how his goals are to either kill everybody or give them eternal life depending on which game you're playing. Managing to slip those references in without explaining them and still maintaining the flow of the video takes serious skill.
I totally agree on the Ghetsis pick. While Giovanni may be more iconic ghetsis was just straight evil while also being my favorite evil boss as well. Black 2 will always be my favorite main series game
Hey man, been watching your videos of pokemon rankings for years, so I would like to leave a suggestion for a future video: All trainer classes ranked. Maybe do a 2 part video since there are so many of them. Would love to know your take on all of them
Ghetsis is one of the reasons why I always have a Hydreigon on my team if I can because that pokemon just screams "now you f*cked up now!" But I also like to think if you give Hydreigon the Stitch treatment he'll be a good boi.
I like to think Iris gets ahold of his Hydreigon and within a few months of intensive therapy she's got this three headed dragon literally eating out of her hand. She's giving it belly rubs and saying what a good dragon it is.
I know it's few months late, but same. I remember seeing Ghetsis send out his Hydreigon in my first playthrough of White and I was like "I need to get one of those". Always have a Hydreigon on my team whenever I can ever since.
Yall know that even thou Giovanni wasn't the evilest..... But he was by FAR the best stand alone villain.... Man knew how to run that shit and secure the bag
Man got locked out of OU for a couple months so he had to sneak in with a disguise, but he just decided to keep up the ruse even after home dropped. That's devious, surprised landorus isn't at the top of the villain list.
Colress, not considering him as a villain but as a character, is absolutely amazing. His design is great, one of my favorites, his teams are pretty solid, overall he’s a pretty solid character. He is the lesser of the villains for Plasma, but he’s above even N for characters in general for me.
For all Lysander is mocked for, he basically almost successfully enacted class warfare such that only the rich live when the Weapon was fired. If Team Flare were not buffoons, that would be scary.
You see, Piers might not technically be evil, but raiding the Rose Tower because your sister and her friends ask him to is perfection 😂 and tops it off with an impromptu Zigzagoon summoning concert because why not?
Lysander: i will cleanse this world and make it beautiful The president post great war: well isn't that what we..... the enclave are doin to the wasteland Lysander: wasteland? President: well you see i come from a universe where a 8 minutes war destroyed civilization all over the globe Lysander: how did a war lasting 8 minutes destroy all of civilization? President: one word........... nukes
This guy's also a really good writer. Did you notice that Lysandre's "I was in two minds about it" referred to how his motivations are slightly different in X and Y and Gliscor being "a bit of a wild card" referred to how versatile it is? It takes serious writing skill to slip those in so naturally and the delivery flows so beautifully that most people wouldn't even notice how clever those lines are.
I'd give Giovanni the #1 slot for what he did in Ultra Sun & Moon. The man rallied up all the other big bads from different universes and actually managed to convince all of these villains to work for him. His Mega Mewtwo alone would spark out of the rest of them so that probably helped. The AI professors were out here pouring all their resources and knowledge into breaking the dimensional barrier to achieve their goals. Giovanni went from being you're average mob boss to essentially, the king pin of the multiverse. And he STILL decides to just, have a bit of fun with it. Even after the game's done he's standing on a cliff thinking "Now who should I terroize next?" and teleports away. The man is still out there. The ONLY villain to canonically not be truly defeated. Absolute legend Giovanni.
30:12 Ghetsis actually did that in the manga. When N saved him from falling from a cliff, Ghetsis beat N to a bloody pulp with his cane while calling him a freak.
I know the scene. One thing I think they should’ve done. Is remove N’s eye. So it could parallel his father. Maybe he has a Blue eye as Ghetsis has Red.
So glad to see the man ghetsis getting the rep for the absolute psycho he is. I've been saying for ages that he's the best pokemon villain because of just how evil he truly is
Ghetsis was going to beat Lillie to death if the player didn't back down. He gets points for looking at the tweens who beat him and saying "wait a minute. These are children. I have experience here!" and then beating up one of them to assert dominance.
You thought you could trick me into rage watching seeing N in F in the thumbnail, but the joke's on you! I was gonna watch the moment I saw you uploaded regardless!
I'd imagine that probably being the MOST depressed character in all of Pokemon would make you age like shit, considering how he just doesn't care about anything at all.
Rose's plan gets even dumber when you realize an entire lighthouse was powered and maintained by one pokemon just vibin by itself back in gold and silver.
You just know that Giovanni's got a big red button on the underside of his desk that opens a trapdoor in front of it that leads straight to Hippowdon's den
Considering that Hydreigon's favorite thing in life is wanton death and destruction, how poorly did Ghetsis treat that Pokemon that it _physically cannot hate him more_ (max power frustration)? I think a Hydreigon would bounce off of Ghetsis's psychopathy extremely well, but this Hydreigon despises him. Either Ghetsis owns the only pacifist Hydreigon in the Universe, or that poor Pokemon has been subjected to such horrific experiments and mistreatments that "E for everyone" can only have nightmares about it. Considering it evolved 10 levels early and is holding a Life Orb, I imagine it's unfortunately the latter, and that's terrifying.
The only good aspect of Rose is that facial hair. I can appreciate a man cultured enough to cut his beard into the shape of the TCG symbol for his type specialty. But that's it. That's all he has going for him.
i just have to say that i really dont think colress had a redemption arc, he's still the same guy, i 100% believe the unovan government just pardoned him for his research.
Colress never had a redemption arc as a person, he was just convinced to switch sides. The singular thing he obsessively cares about is the strength of pokemon and how to best achieve it, the player character proves that raising your pokemon with love and care while teaching them to be virtuous is objectively stronger than raising them villainously, so he becomes a virtuous person. He's never had any morals or any strong emotions, he's only motivated by his goal, an emotionless machine directed by its primary objective is perfect for a steel-type specialist like him.
Ghetsis is the only villain to have ever hurt another villain's child. In Ultra SM, he hurts Lillie. If he met Silver, he would have tossed that kid across the room too.
“If you didn’t look at lysandre and immediately know he’s the villain then you deserve to have your shoes stolen”. Nah in my defence I was a dumbass 7 year old when I played that game.
Dude holy shit, the Scooby-Doo comparison is so spot on that I can’t believe I didn’t realize it sooner. The writing in this man’s videos are some of the best not only in the Pokémon community, but on TH-cam in general
I'm still convinced Colress fled to Alola because he was wanted in Unova. The guy froze an entire city so naturally he'd be of some interest to Unova's authorities
what about the tier 0 villain, Rainbow Giovanni. He figured out not only how to jump through dimensions, but the lad also found and lead a team filled with all the team villains that were successful in their dimensions. He commands Syrus who actually had his plan work and became god and all that good stuff. And unlike prime Giovanni, this Giovanni flexed hard enough to get Mewtwo to follow him without asking questions.
The smart observant one, the talented rich girl, the guy who just wants to eat sandwiches with his dog, and the defacto leader with no real personality who provides the gang's transportation
@dimetrodon2250 also if we take into account the player's drive to obsessively fixate on rushing through the story events, and spend weeks worth of time shiny hunting or grinding competitive teams, we then get the only real personality trait of Fred (a hyperfixation on whatever random thing caught his eye this week)
In Rose's defense, in his mind Leon was supposed to capture Eternamax. He was still wrong, but at least he tried. Also, can we talk about those two brothers with sword and shield hair? Like, fuck them in particular.
Oh god they should have been the overarching villains. Especially since the plot of SwSh is very "the price of fame". They're fading stars desperate to cling to relevancy.
One thing that wasn't mentioned: Ghetis ESCAPED from captivity. At the end of BW, he's getting arrested. By B2W2, not only has he already escaped, he's pulling a plan that is debatably bigger. No other villain, heck, no other character has done anything like that. Giovanni fled to "never be seen again", Lusamine, Arthur and Maxie just stay put after realising what they did, Cyrus hangs out in another dimension. Lysandre is crushed by the Ultimate Weapon. Ghetis is there and he wants blood, vengeance and even more power.
Ah yes. Professor Sada/Turo. They became so enveloped in their research of different time periods and their Time Machine, they ended up losing their lives along with threatening to destroy the space time continuum by having their Time Machine operate without a fail safe. Bringing life forms from different time periods to the present without any concern of the effects they could have on Paldea’s ecosystem or the ethical issue of altering the time line permanently. Even their AI counterparts knew that what they were doing was extremely dangerous. Unfortunately, they weren’t given the free will to overcome their programming.
I feel like they ultimately did overcome their programming. They couldn't act on it on their own which is why they needed the player character, but they still had the will to do it. God I just hope the AIs are happy.
Keep in mind Ghetsis’s Hydreigon in B/W2 has a full powered frustration in it’s move set, the implication being that he HATES Ghetsis with a passion.
He's even forced to hold a Life Orb, he has absolutely no value to Ghetsis.
Ghetsis even managed to force him to evolve early, imagine the stresses, maybe even tortures, it takes to do that.
He's just a tool for Ghetsis, Hydreigon knows it very well and *despises* him for that.
@@MaximeLafreniere433very telling that he has a cane in B2W2. Maybe Hydreigon had enough before Ghetsis put him back in his place.
@@calebhoward6775 Food for thought: How'd he lose an eye?
@@CryoJnik likely ghetsis lost most of his left body from kyurem
Not just with a passion. Full-powered frustration means it physically cannot hate him more.
He would need to beat this thing regularly to even APPROACH how much it despises him.
I love how Piers and Cassiopeia aren't even villainous, but they still got a higher placement than Archer
I mean those two at least successfully committed a few crimes, even though the crimes were loitering and financial fraud. What did Archer even do at all?
@@GilvaSinnerpiers also got noise complaints
@@GilvaSinner Penny is literally committing white collar crime, and I find that so hilarious
@@GilvaSinner I mean he did take over a radio tower. The problem with Archer is not that he doesn’t do anything. It’s just that he’s so freaking lame.
Penny literally embezzled funds from the Pokémon league, she's done more crime than the glorified grunt that's Archer
If Fairy Types didn't exist, Hydregion would still be a massive threat like it was on Ghetsis's team
And I’m betting they are gonna slap a Roseli Berry and/or Flash Cannon on him in the remakes like they did with Cynthia’s Garchomp having a Yache Berry and Poison Jab.
I only play casually but I use a Tera Steel Hydreigon with Flash Cannon and you'd be surprised how many games I've won by catching Flutter Manes off guard
If my aunty had wheels she would’ve been a bike vibe
@@leetfukkbrainlet flutter mane users when someone can kill their mon: surprised Pikachu face
They literally had to create a type to balance this unit
Honestly, my favourite thing about Ghetsis has to be the fact that his cruelty is reflected in his pokemon.
His teams are well suited to counter N, y'know, in case the boy gets any ideas about a revolution.
Aside from his ace, he uses the most henchmen pokemon ever: Seismitoad and Bouffalant are the one getting off to diving head first into a wall; Bisharp,Drapion and Toxicroak are the ones that ran around with scissors back in the nurseries; Cofagrigus and Eelektross, suitable to instill trauma into anyone they get their pinchers on.
And of course, Hydreigon, that is evolved ten levels early, wears a marble that gives it even more power in exchange for some life expectancy and the fact that this absolute hedge of a specimen knows max power Frustration, as in, it is so pissed off at its trainer, it can tear open a volcano.
You just know Ghetsis was mean to this bunch, Bisharp just evolved at level 52, immediatly thrown into battle, Hydreigon was catching the end of that cane 6 times before it went to sleep and another 6 when it was supposed to get up, had to forcefully evolve to at least open its eyes up and gain a pair(?) of wings in case things got messy.And I just love that, I adore how much of a dickhead they made this pale, dried-lime-haired old man in every aspect.
My god you really picked up on some of Mr1upz’s style of talking in these vids, love it
We are talking about the man who bullied a legendary pokémon feigned as the most powerful dragon type in the world into submission so I have no doubt that everything you said could be absolutely true and confirmed by gamefreak someday
“9/11 2 is gonna bang.”
-Chairman Rose, 2019
I respect Lysander as a villain for one reason: he canonically charges money to join Team Flare, and it ain’t cheap neither he puts his goons into debt just to follow him and even an Elite Four member paid it. If that ain’t evil, I don’t know what is 🤣
Reminds me, wouldn't Malva be the only evil team member that's canonically stronger than the boss?
Considering you face her AFTER defeating Lysander, yeah she would be 🤣
TBH that's the big reason I disrespect him. You're gonna go about gassing on about how much you hate greed, and then go around charging people to not get genocided?
He's SUCH a hypocrite and they don't say shit about it. Like, yeah, I get it, I hate capitalism too, but this ain't it chief.
True but he is a villain so a little bit of hypocrisy should be present to help highlight the fact that they are wrong. Do agree that someone in universe should have called him out on it though.
Or it’s all a facade. Used to make people believe his team is just a group of bandits when their leader have the goal of murder all humans.
Ghetsis' plan was pretty amazing for a power grab in the Pokemon world. Being the only one with Pokemon would be absolutely broken in such a relatively passive world.
And nobody would ever think to go back on their ideals when they know the “truth”.
It falls apart so hard as soon as he tries to expand outside Unova though.
Still, top tier villain
@@emblemblade9245Who cares, the “king” of the region who he has under his influence has a legendary on his team. Cynthia can definitely stand up to N, but then Ghetsis comes and cleans up after N softens her up.
@@Thorozak Also despite getting a full heal after Black/White Kyruem, he’s still technically using 7 Pokémon ala Greevil.
That’s what I’m saying! At the end of black and white, when you’re in the Castle, one of the plasma scientists even mentions they took notice of how Team Rocket/Galactic/etc failed because they’re shady operations were far too much in the public eye and made sure they didn’t make the same mistakes.
Team plasma doing all they’re scheming behind the scenes while maintaining their “humane activist group” image in the public eye is why Ghetsis’ plan is very impressive.
Literally using public opinion and mob mentality to make people feel the need to release their Pokémon, all because the new champion N said so. It’s a damn good plan, ngl.
“Imagine a Cynthia led Team Galactic. She’d have been having Arceus eatin out of her dog bowl” 😂😂😂 truer words have never been said
She's be having every Pokemon eating out of a dog bowl, except the bipedal/humanoid ones, they'd be her friends/bodyguards.
Tbf she could do the same to me
Keep in mind, Volo isn’t as vile as Ghetsis or as methodical as Giovanni, but he accomplished something no other villain could, and that’s making a pact of equal partnership with a literal God in Giratina.
Giratina hates Arceus for being banished and Volo wants to become a god in his own right. An alliance based on hating Arceus bringing these two together is exactly why he is a fantastic villain to me.
He doesn’t control Giratina, they’re equal partners, and he didn’t even need to use mind control to do it, like how Ghetsis used Kyurem.
Yeah, a God helping a mortal of their own choice rather than a god being controlled by a mortal is much more terrifying. Atleast with the latter, you can almost always count on the fact that once broken free, the enraged god will turn on the mortal. With the former there is no such guarantee. You're messing with the mortal that this god favours.
Also, man's definitely immortal. That line about centuries was not a throwaway bit, Volo knows shit he absolutely should NOT and he takes it VERY personally.
Its simple negotiation: he appealed to something he knew Giratina wanted, and was able to communicate to him as an equal because of it.
@@demi-femme4821 I like to interpret that line as his will would carry on, not him being an immortal. If he did not find Arceus, then someone in his lineage would, which ultimately came true because Cynthia saw Arceus first hand in the Sinjoh ruins event in HGSS.
@@mr.lantern1111 he fed Giratina the power it needed to try and fight Arceus and in exchange, he offered Volo that strength. A partnership between these two makes them far more terrifying, in my opinion. Not only that, but it shows Giratina is cunning and willing to work with others to achieve its goal. That kinda, in a strange way, makes Giratina quite humble, ironically, seeing how his lore effectively makes him the satan of Pokémon.
That Scooby Doo comparison, every member even fills the same role. Penny is Velma (the smart observant one), Nemona is Daphne (rich girl who's talented in whatever the plot needs her to be, in this case battling), Arven is Shaggy (guy who just wants to eat sandwiches with his dog), and the protagonist is Fred (appointed leader for some reason, while not really having much of a personality, and provides the ride)
Oh my god how is this a major revelation for me?
... i hate you.
It just clicked to me.
Hey! Don't you say that about my boy Fred!
Fred was a lovable dummy
Now being fair to Archer he knows he's a side man because the whole point of team rocket in the gold silver games was to bring the big bad boss Giovanni back and if he succeed he would of slinked back to his original position so give him credit for that
Giovanni decided to stay retired when he heard his side man trying to wear the big pants.
Naw man. We needed starscream. Archer should have been trying to get Gio out of the way gen 1. Then taking over gen 2.
But you know, gen 2 wasn’t exactly planned. They still could have come up with something better. I think the video is right about the rival stealing the villain energy.
What is this guy talking about?? Archer at LAST??!
He was OVERLEVELED when you fight him at like lvl 35 trying to bring back his leader who STOLE from many and KILLED pokemon
Also Houndoom is a very powerful mon and should be used by villains sadly he is the only villain that uses Houndoom (Oops I forgot Cyrus exists) but Flint Karen and who else also use houndoom which should not have happened have you seen it's pokedex entry??
This man's videos nourish my soul
Fax
I was honestly shook when he put Giovanni in second. I knew Unova's villain was going to be up there but I never thought he'd put him in front of his man.
Well, giovanni is basically a mafia boss while ghetsis is Just plain evil. Would say that ghetsis has giovanni beat in this regard
@@kjellandrebakken6775 I agree as well, im just saying that because Mr. One dad is a Giovanni fan yano
@@kjellandrebakken6775 Keep in mind as well that in the USUM Rainbow Rocket arc, the alternate universe Ghetsis blatantly states that he has plans to usurp and dispose of RR's Giovanni in order to take over as leader of Rainbow Rocket and amass even more power. Obviously he's evil, but more than that, he's arrogant and power hungry. Looking at their prime universe counterparts, it's my personal view that Giovanni would probably consider Ghetsis and his actions abhorrent and monstrous, going way too far according to Giovanni's own standards and crossing lines he never would. In fact, I think it would be fair to say Giovanni in the prime universe might try to destroy Ghetsis himself if they were to meet, even if he just wrote it off as "Having a maniac like that running around would be bad for business" as a reason. And you can bet that if RR's Ghetsis had gotten the chance to try and take down RR's Giovanni, he would've tried to have that monster of a Hydreigon turn Giovanni into roast chicken just to sadistically watch him suffer.
The best fictional character I could compare Ghetsis to would probably be Killzone's Scolar Visari. In other words, a man who is at once a skilled persuasive speaker whilst also be a completely nepotistic, cruel, and spiteful dictator to those beneath him just because he can. Granted, I don't necessarily think Ghetsis's character has quite the same nuance or historical inspiration, but he does cut the figure of a ruthless dictator who only cares about power and his own ego at the expense of everyone and everything else.
The 9/11 2 joke for Chairman rose was golden. Especially considering Rose is coming from a GOVERMENT like company hiding things behind the scenes 😭
It's astounding that Volo got the #5 spot despite literally being the only person in his "organization". His team is just that cracked.
Well, Volo is Cynthia's ancestor. No wonder he's broken as hell. Granted, Cynthia can clobber you in a fair fight while Volo needs a little help from Satan after his team softens you up but the dude has "overpowered" in his DNA.
@@tomnorton4277 Cynthia got her bullshit power from Volo tbf, not the other way around. I think it's way more impressive to have a Cynthia level team, AND a legendary pokemon as your FRIEND ready to just jump on sight. Volo was really on some ''Giratina strike them down!'' shit centuries before Cynthia was even a swimmer in her dads sack lol
Volo just has almost the same Team. 5/6 the same Guys, not sure if they got perfect IVs like Cynthias do though
Another thing about Ghetsis... his Hydreigon knows Frustration. His Hydreigon actively hates him. All this blustering about why Cyrus has a Crobat who evolves when they become good friends with their trainer must have really irritated Game Freak, because then they make a villain whose star Pokemon is seriously considering eating his trainer. Ghetsis' battle theme is also very in line with his character because if you listen close enough, you'll hear the cracking of whips.
I'd argue his B/W Hydreigon is still the bigger threat. Hydreigon is primarily a Special Attacker and his B/W Hydreigon uses only Special Attacks.
I like the theory that his hydreigon attacked him and thats hes missing an arm and an eye
He's even forced to hold a Life Orb, he has absolutely no value to Ghetsis.
Ghetsis even managed to force him to evolve early, imagine the stresses, maybe even tortures, it takes to do that.
He's just a tool for Ghetsis, Hydreigon knows it very well and *despises* him for that.
Guess that shows Cyrus can possibly be humbled/redeemed like what happened in Adventures manga.
@@shouldveusedsafesearch8099 Well from a stat perspective, of course it is. I'm talking from a lore and story perspective. Any ten year old worth their salt can utilize a Hydreigon with powerful special moves like Surf and Flamethrower, but it takes a special kind of monster to go out of their way make their Pokemon get a 102 for Frustration and actively maintain that. Let me put it this way: Winning makes your Pokemon like you more. Walking around with it makes it like you more. Feeding your Pokemon berries and vitamins makes it like you more. There are certain actions that lower friendship, but they are far fewer than the ones that improve it. What this means is even if the Hydreigon wins, it will be made to lose. If it eats, it's a diet of Herbal Medicine and for a carnivore, that's hell. If it ever gets remotely close to Ghetsis, it will be made to suffer.
Man I had to instantly click on this because if I don't I'll get furry swiped from galarian Meowth next time I step into the pub to give myself a nice buzz
Can we agree penny has the best theme
furry swiped 💀
@@Waddleboyadvance7187yes, yes we can
As someone who’s first pokemon generation was 5, Growing up is in part realising how absolutely horrifying ghetsis was in retrospect. Anyway every one of your videos manages to be more entertaining than the last, cackled out loud more times than I can count on this one 👍
Holy shit you just made me feel old
Same man gen 5 was elite
In retrospect? You must have been pretty young when you initially played
@@BJGvideos i think i was maybe 7 or 8 at the time of playing pokemon white? i didnt have the brain capacity to process all of the bizarre culty undertones and implied child abuse. excluding the obvious attempt on the player's life in bw2 there's a lot of alarmingly dark theming that only really registers when your frontal lobe develops enough to think about it a little bit harder
With Team Rocket its "If I don't win this battle, these people are going to steal my Pokemon!"
With Cyrus it's "If I don't win this battle, there could be cataclysmic damage to the world as we know it!"
But with Ghetsis, it's "If I don't win this battle, this man is going to kill me."
With Ghetsis, the imminent fear is bigger, but with Cyrus I would have half a mind to just beat him to death upon losing. If I lose, I don't die, the entirety of reality including all of my loved ones is just erased from existence, while this gelled up dickhead makes his own black and white old timey cartoon ass universe.
As fantastic as the Ghetsis rant was, truly couldn’t have summed him up better myself, I’m surprised you didn’t bring up what he tries to pull in Ultra. Man tried pulling the same shit he did with N on Giovanni, it’s implied by Ghetsis having the dragon that he actually killed N, and then when he loses he threatens to kill Lillie with his bare hands if Elio/Selene doesn’t back off.
Yeah, I mentioned that above. The man truly has no morals. I honestly believe, given that Giovanni at least has some lines he won't cross, that the prime universe version of Giovanni would try to destroy Ghetsis even if he just wrote it off as "Keeping that maniac alive would be bad for business" or some other such dubious reasoning. Truly, Ghetsis stands out to me as the most evil Pokemon evil team leader. For the most evil team or organization, I've got to go with Cipher in Coliseum and XD. Their cruelty, the crimes they commit on the regular against both other people and Pokemon, and just the sheer audacity they have in creating Shadow Pokemon (which literally have been made into vicious soulless killing machines by Pokemon standards) puts them above literally any main series evil team in my estimation.
Come to think of it, I'm surprised the leaders of Cipher (Evice in Coliseum and Greevil in XD) didn't get any mention at all. Man, I guess people really do forget those games even existed.
This script is brilliant. Gliscor being a wild card is not only funny but also refers to how versatile it is in the games. And Lysandre being of two minds about whether to destroy the world or not refers to how his goals are to either kill everybody or give them eternal life depending on which game you're playing. Managing to slip those references in without explaining them and still maintaining the flow of the video takes serious skill.
"And therefore like a Pyrorar would be very weak to my own pair of hands" NAH, that sent me. This Lysandre section is absolutely goat'd
I totally agree on the Ghetsis pick. While Giovanni may be more iconic ghetsis was just straight evil while also being my favorite evil boss as well. Black 2 will always be my favorite main series game
Hey man, been watching your videos of pokemon rankings for years, so I would like to leave a suggestion for a future video:
All trainer classes ranked.
Maybe do a 2 part video since there are so many of them. Would love to know your take on all of them
Ghetsis is one of the reasons why I always have a Hydreigon on my team if I can because that pokemon just screams "now you f*cked up now!" But I also like to think if you give Hydreigon the Stitch treatment he'll be a good boi.
I like to think Iris gets ahold of his Hydreigon and within a few months of intensive therapy she's got this three headed dragon literally eating out of her hand. She's giving it belly rubs and saying what a good dragon it is.
I know it's few months late, but same. I remember seeing Ghetsis send out his Hydreigon in my first playthrough of White and I was like "I need to get one of those". Always have a Hydreigon on my team whenever I can ever since.
9:57 Front-facing Primal Groudon is one of the most horrifying shots from a non-horror anime I have ever seen
"Monster drinkers" is the PERFECT description of Team Yell 😂
Yall know that even thou Giovanni wasn't the evilest..... But he was by FAR the best stand alone villain.... Man knew how to run that shit and secure the bag
6:16 Instead of hunting for monsters they’re hunting for Paradox Pokemon. They unmask Great Tusk only to find Landorus underneath.
Man got locked out of OU for a couple months so he had to sneak in with a disguise, but he just decided to keep up the ruse even after home dropped. That's devious, surprised landorus isn't at the top of the villain list.
"And I would've upheld my place as the Therianator 8OU if it wasn't for you meddling wankers"
Colress, not considering him as a villain but as a character, is absolutely amazing. His design is great, one of my favorites, his teams are pretty solid, overall he’s a pretty solid character. He is the lesser of the villains for Plasma, but he’s above even N for characters in general for me.
This channel has found a niche that was really missing and needed in the pokemon community, and my god does he fill it perfectly
Yes! He actually did it, I’ve asked for this video multiple times! Great day when the madman uploads 🔥
I appreciate the gliscor characterization here.
DA CLAMPS!
‘Nah, guys trust me. I know the first time it was a bit of a mare alright. But 9/11 2 is gonna bang’ 😂😂 That fucking sent me 😂
It baffles me how Pokémon went from genuinely great antagonists like N and Ghetsis just to get Lysandre and team Flare the generation after.
And then go into Guzma and Lusamine, who were fantastic, right after that. Only to slide back down with Rose, and then up again with Sada and Turo.
With a bit of Volo in between.
And yeah he was phenomenal.
0:51 “Who stalk your little sister.” Lmfao
For all Lysander is mocked for, he basically almost successfully enacted class warfare such that only the rich live when the Weapon was fired. If Team Flare were not buffoons, that would be scary.
Except his goal wasn't about the wealthy. Many Flare members talk about how they had to scrimp and save for the entry fee, or steal it, etc
It's always a good day when Señor 1upz uploads
30:11 Funfact in the Pokemon aventure Manga in the B2W2 Chapter, GHETSIS DID INDEED DO THAT!
7:14 Having Pokemon X show up on screen when he mentions Twitter is so funny
18:34 Speaking of which, when are we gonna get some of that juicy Mystery Dungeon discourse
You see, Piers might not technically be evil, but raiding the Rose Tower because your sister and her friends ask him to is perfection 😂 and tops it off with an impromptu Zigzagoon summoning concert because why not?
God damn poor Piers. That was one of the most thorough verbal undressings I've ever heard.
Lysander: i will cleanse this world and make it beautiful
The president post great war: well isn't that what we..... the enclave are doin to the wasteland
Lysander: wasteland?
President: well you see i come from a universe where a 8 minutes war destroyed civilization all over the globe
Lysander: how did a war lasting 8 minutes destroy all of civilization?
President: one word........... nukes
Thankyou my liege, you have blessed us with another holy screening
5:04 lmao “look like such a monster drinker” is so… accurate lmao
This channel is so underrated for some of these banger of lines being delivered
This guy's also a really good writer. Did you notice that Lysandre's "I was in two minds about it" referred to how his motivations are slightly different in X and Y and Gliscor being "a bit of a wild card" referred to how versatile it is? It takes serious writing skill to slip those in so naturally and the delivery flows so beautifully that most people wouldn't even notice how clever those lines are.
I'd give Giovanni the #1 slot for what he did in Ultra Sun & Moon. The man rallied up all the other big bads from different universes and actually managed to convince all of these villains to work for him. His Mega Mewtwo alone would spark out of the rest of them so that probably helped. The AI professors were out here pouring all their resources and knowledge into breaking the dimensional barrier to achieve their goals. Giovanni went from being you're average mob boss to essentially, the king pin of the multiverse. And he STILL decides to just, have a bit of fun with it. Even after the game's done he's standing on a cliff thinking "Now who should I terroize next?" and teleports away. The man is still out there.
The ONLY villain to canonically not be truly defeated. Absolute legend Giovanni.
"If Velma was a Pound, Cassiopeia would be a Penny"
Shiiiiieeeeeet, my man's a straight up poet
Your content never ceases to make me smile and laugh. Every single time, Mr1upz.
The cyrus theme kicking in on #3 hyped me up so much omg hes definitely my favourite and that original theme SLAPS
it's always a good day when 1upz uploads
30:12 Ghetsis actually did that in the manga. When N saved him from falling from a cliff, Ghetsis beat N to a bloody pulp with his cane while calling him a freak.
I know the scene. One thing I think they should’ve done. Is remove N’s eye. So it could parallel his father. Maybe he has a Blue eye as Ghetsis has Red.
the team rocket away kit !🤣, this guy's banter is ALWAYS SPOT ON !
So glad to see the man ghetsis getting the rep for the absolute psycho he is. I've been saying for ages that he's the best pokemon villain because of just how evil he truly is
Ghetsis was going to beat Lillie to death if the player didn't back down. He gets points for looking at the tweens who beat him and saying "wait a minute. These are children. I have experience here!" and then beating up one of them to assert dominance.
You thought you could trick me into rage watching seeing N in F in the thumbnail, but the joke's on you! I was gonna watch the moment I saw you uploaded regardless!
I always thought Cyrus was meant to be at least 50 years old, ain't no way that man is only 27
Being dead inside ages you prematurely
I'd imagine that probably being the MOST depressed character in all of Pokemon would make you age like shit, considering how he just doesn't care about anything at all.
Banger, one of your best chief
"Do they not have twitter or something?"
Well we dont even have twitter anymore lmao
Rose's plan gets even dumber when you realize an entire lighthouse was powered and maintained by one pokemon just vibin by itself back in gold and silver.
You just know that Giovanni's got a big red button on the underside of his desk that opens a trapdoor in front of it that leads straight to Hippowdon's den
The way you do these commentaries 😂😂😂 man youre a legend . Love the style keep it up for years to come
Cyrus is what happens when you realize you might be working retail for the rest of your life
I feel like that's more Volo, who DOES work retail.
I wonder just how shitty life in Sinnoh/Hisui must be for that region to keep pumping out omnicidal villains
Considering that Hydreigon's favorite thing in life is wanton death and destruction, how poorly did Ghetsis treat that Pokemon that it _physically cannot hate him more_ (max power frustration)? I think a Hydreigon would bounce off of Ghetsis's psychopathy extremely well, but this Hydreigon despises him.
Either Ghetsis owns the only pacifist Hydreigon in the Universe, or that poor Pokemon has been subjected to such horrific experiments and mistreatments that "E for everyone" can only have nightmares about it. Considering it evolved 10 levels early and is holding a Life Orb, I imagine it's unfortunately the latter, and that's terrifying.
The only good aspect of Rose is that facial hair. I can appreciate a man cultured enough to cut his beard into the shape of the TCG symbol for his type specialty. But that's it. That's all he has going for him.
1:31 knowing that your ass had to copy and paste dozens of Cena's head over and over again for this one second gag. That's the real hustle. Respect.
I just now recognized the joke at 7:12
saying "do they not have Twitter or something?"
and showing the logo for Pokemon X
freaking genius
I relish when you drop a video, GOAT
To be fair, penny is basically fighting you using her pets. They all have baby doll eyes. They arent for battles
i just have to say that i really dont think colress had a redemption arc, he's still the same guy, i 100% believe the unovan government just pardoned him for his research.
colress got paperclipped lol
"Look, we know you glassed an entire city and was in charge of an entire terrorist organization... but you did give us the IPhone, so you get a pass."
Colress never had a redemption arc as a person, he was just convinced to switch sides. The singular thing he obsessively cares about is the strength of pokemon and how to best achieve it, the player character proves that raising your pokemon with love and care while teaching them to be virtuous is objectively stronger than raising them villainously, so he becomes a virtuous person. He's never had any morals or any strong emotions, he's only motivated by his goal, an emotionless machine directed by its primary objective is perfect for a steel-type specialist like him.
Ghetsis is the only villain to have ever hurt another villain's child. In Ultra SM, he hurts Lillie. If he met Silver, he would have tossed that kid across the room too.
Not even Saul would’ve saved Ghetsis
Ghetsis would never have a Crobat, cause that man is heartless. My favorite villain in the franchise!
Bruh, that 9/11 joke is an absolute banger. Had me rolling!
Always a good day when you see a fresh minted Mr1upz vid in the queue.
Yeahhhh baby, Señor1Upz let’s get it
He’s back the goat
Bro that whole roast of chairman rose had me dead bro "9/11-2 is gonna bang" bro I'm dead 💀💀
“If you didn’t look at lysandre and immediately know he’s the villain then you deserve to have your shoes stolen”. Nah in my defence I was a dumbass 7 year old when I played that game.
I love you man, your videos always put a smile on my face! You keep killing it bro
seeing Mr1upz has uploaded again makes my tonsillitis filled world that little bit more enjoyable. "9/11 two" had me rolling
Dude holy shit, the Scooby-Doo comparison is so spot on that I can’t believe I didn’t realize it sooner. The writing in this man’s videos are some of the best not only in the Pokémon community, but on TH-cam in general
I'm still convinced Colress fled to Alola because he was wanted in Unova. The guy froze an entire city so naturally he'd be of some interest to Unova's authorities
It’s always a good day when big man senior1upz uploads
what about the tier 0 villain, Rainbow Giovanni. He figured out not only how to jump through dimensions, but the lad also found and lead a team filled with all the team villains that were successful in their dimensions. He commands Syrus who actually had his plan work and became god and all that good stuff. And unlike prime Giovanni, this Giovanni flexed hard enough to get Mewtwo to follow him without asking questions.
3:29 Real Babadooks star of the channel vibes
Bro spent like 3 minutes exclusively roasting the living crap out of Archer 😅😂❤
After watching this video, Ghetsis' original battle theme went from ominous to terrifying for me.
“9/11 two is gonna bang”
Its terrifying how good of a description this is of chairman rose
the paldean professors are even beating out lusamine at child neglect, which is impressive
Lusamine was directly abusive though. The professors just ditched Arven.
scooby doo group dynamic is the perfect way to describe them
The smart observant one, the talented rich girl, the guy who just wants to eat sandwiches with his dog, and the defacto leader with no real personality who provides the gang's transportation
@dimetrodon2250 also if we take into account the player's drive to obsessively fixate on rushing through the story events, and spend weeks worth of time shiny hunting or grinding competitive teams, we then get the only real personality trait of Fred (a hyperfixation on whatever random thing caught his eye this week)
In Rose's defense, in his mind Leon was supposed to capture Eternamax. He was still wrong, but at least he tried.
Also, can we talk about those two brothers with sword and shield hair? Like, fuck them in particular.
Oh god they should have been the overarching villains. Especially since the plot of SwSh is very "the price of fame". They're fading stars desperate to cling to relevancy.
“If Velma were a pound, Cassiopeia would be a penny”
1UPZ OUT HERE SPITTIN!!!
With Ghetsis, at that point you’d just give him the chair, even a life-sentence is to much of a gamble!
6:51 Ever since Colosseum, I will literally be damned if I get surprised by a twist villain in a Pokemon.
Yeah, Colress owes people money. Team Plasma are leveraged up to the eyeballs trying to fund their underground castle.
24:00 ciyrus was so evil Satan decide to save the day
You've got to be a special kind of evil for the Devil himself to pipe up and say "dude, you need help!"
One thing that wasn't mentioned: Ghetis ESCAPED from captivity.
At the end of BW, he's getting arrested. By B2W2, not only has he already escaped, he's pulling a plan that is debatably bigger. No other villain, heck, no other character has done anything like that.
Giovanni fled to "never be seen again", Lusamine, Arthur and Maxie just stay put after realising what they did, Cyrus hangs out in another dimension. Lysandre is crushed by the Ultimate Weapon.
Ghetis is there and he wants blood, vengeance and even more power.
Ah yes. Professor Sada/Turo. They became so enveloped in their research of different time periods and their Time Machine, they ended up losing their lives along with threatening to destroy the space time continuum by having their Time Machine operate without a fail safe. Bringing life forms from different time periods to the present without any concern of the effects they could have on Paldea’s ecosystem or the ethical issue of altering the time line permanently. Even their AI counterparts knew that what they were doing was extremely dangerous. Unfortunately, they weren’t given the free will to overcome their programming.
I feel like they ultimately did overcome their programming. They couldn't act on it on their own which is why they needed the player character, but they still had the will to do it.
God I just hope the AIs are happy.