Rachmaninov himself praised Horowitz' interpretation of the Third Piano Concerto and refused to perform it himself after hearing Horowitz play it, so we cannot rule out the possibility that Rachmaninov would also consider this performance superior to his own. That is how awesome Horowitz is!
There is a story that Rachmaninov never considered it among his best work, and after playing it as a request (demand?) for several decades he came to hate playing it. Perhaps this was a convenient excuse to no longer do so?
This recording is by English pianist Martin Jones, and it's appeared on the MusicBank label several times, beginning in 2001. The recording technology sounds like it's from much earlier, perhaps the 1960's. Maestro Jones has recorded prolifically during his long career and is active today. Horowitz probably could have performed this work at the drop of a hat, had he cared to, but as far as is known, he never recorded it, nor did he perform it at any known concert.
Wow, well spotted. Definitely sounds like the identical recording to Martin Jones here: th-cam.com/video/JszYVl6IBKc/w-d-xo.html You can hear the same two pedal noises at 4:09 and 4:12, and the same twangy out-of-tune unison on the high Ab at 4:15. Martin Jones is a very fine pianist, but in that recording not playing on a top-notch piano (and perhaps with less than top-notch recording engineering).
Thanks. I found this recording today and I just had a feeling that it could not been from Horowitz. Thanks, I just checked and you are absolutely right!!
I cannot say for certain whether or not this is Horowitz. I can say that this is probably the best recording of this prelude I've ever heard. So let's just be grateful for it either way.
Seems like the earlier pianists played romantic pieces a fraction slower yet more expressive than nowadays. Honestly, I'm impressed by perfection of speed and technique though the expression is important.One of my favourite keys, being C# minor, I rank this piece 2nd, last movement of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata 3rd, & my favourite in this key as Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu. Amazing how each of these 3 have similarities but are completely distinct from each other - the beauty of composing music
This is the first recording I heard of this song and I absolutely adored it. I proceeded to listen to... countless other recordings, and always ended up back at this one. That changed, recently. I implore anyone who reads this comment to search "Gilels prelude C sharp minor" - it should be the first video - and listen to that. It has so much more raw energy; it is utterly captivating. :) Thanks for listening to my rant (if you could call it that :P)
It cannot be either Horowitz or Ashkenazy since the performance contains very common beginner mistakes, among them the most common and notable - playing D's instead of D-sharps on 0:40 and in similar places. This is a mistake a professional performer in highly unlikely to make, because it sounds very obviously off to a professional ear.
@@andreiyudin1 That D is marked as a natural in some scores; there is debate over whether that note is a D or a D Sharp. When I learned this piece, even though my score was marked as D Sharp, my teacher and I had a lengthy discussion on whether or not to change it to a natural. Professional performances are split roughly half and half on that note.
Those block C# Minor chords he plays in the end (instead of just the octaves), feels like a giveaway. I don't recall seeing that fleshed out in any versions I've seen.
I'll betcha dollars to doughnuts this performance is by Martin Jones and not Vladimir Ashkenazy. Interpretively identical in places to known recordings of Jones. Ashkenazy has a different take. 💵 🍩
My friend played this the other day, and it was amazing, so I want to learn it soon. I've been playing piano for about 7 years now, and I believe I'm almost ready...
I probably would be a horrible piano teacher because I arranged the song to where there would be one existing version that’s technically and robotically unplayable even though I hadn’t read sheet music. Technically, you wouldn’t want a piano teacher that doesn’t read piano notes whether their experienced or not.
I would just start practising. I was about grade 7 standard when I started this piece earlier this year. Before school started, I spent hour practising the piece, and after two more weeks of practising two or three hours a day, I could play the piece, despite it being way out of my ability. Edit: didn't see that original comment was 12 years old haha
In the Schonberg's book (Horowitz: 'His Life and Music') there is full list of Horowitz's recording - but there isn't this 'Prelude'. A simple request - Horowitz never recorded the work.
I appreciate how Horowitz doesn't soar through the descending triplet chords before the Tempo Primo. Every time I've heard this piece, that section has been rushed to the point where you can't distinguish the notes (I'm guilty of that myself, actually).
@bekirwicz This work was one of the first the 19‑year‑old Rachmaninoff composed as a "Free Artist", after he graduated from the Moscow Conservatory on 29 May 1892. Because at the time Russia was not party to the 1886 Berne Convention, Russian publishers did not pay royalties, so the only financial return he ever received for this piece was a 40 ruble (about two months' wage of a factory worker) publishing fee.
I seriously want to play this, but my hands are a tad small. Will most definitely give it a try, though. Rachmaninov surely is amazing. Arguably the last true Modern Era composer.
My hands do cramp after playing a piece with octaves. I won't say that I play it comfortably, but that doesn't stop me playing my beloved instrument. I'll definitely give this piece a go. Thanks so much for your comment, I have quite a bit of patience, which I think will help in this case.
Hi, try this octave technique that "livingpianosvideos" shared on youtube about 10 days ago. The vid is called "a secret octave technique" basically if you use your wrists to play octaves it helps out! Good luck!
Thank you Brown. Everyone already knows that it's not horowitz's playing. Maybe you want to write it one more time to make sure that the truth is completely revealed ? For the sixth time ? I'm sure you called the police and did all you can but calm down... Everybody realizes this video is fake and it is not going to compromise yours. Horowitz's legacy is back under control, you can sleep well.
My comments don't need to be remembered. You only need to understand that you are boring. Besides, I don't know what is your contribution here.. Calling the cops maybe? You didn't even get this video removed. Terrible.
The key to why Horowitz did not play this piece is because Rachmaninoff himself grew tired of it. He was asked to play it ad nauseum. It's the same with the longer cadenza from the Rach 3. Rachmaninoff didn't play it, so neither did Horowitz.
I was told by my piano teacher in the late forties in Hungary, that Rachmaninovff admired Alexander Puskin's works a lot. He also had a dream, that Puskin was buried alive, hence the piece. Did anyone heard about this?
I heard the story was that he had a dream that there was a coffin on a faraway hill. He begins to walk toward it, the piece is building, and then at 2:31 he opens the coffin, only to find himself inside of it.
HankDrake is absolutely correct. This is a fake. I call upon the channel owner to take it down ASAP. TH-cam prohibits misattributed pieces from making money by advertising.
There are recordings of him that have been manipulated to improve the quality. A friend gave me the album, "A Window In Time", from the Music Rolls Performances. It is excellent. However, I have to say that I prefer this interpretation to the particular Rachmaninoff recording on the album, but it is still amazing to here such a good quality rendering of him playing his own music! I'd really recommend it.
@KegPatcha I'd be interested to know on what recording you find this performance? As I mentioned below - and you can easily verify this with respect to Horowitz's discography which is well known - he did not record this prelude.
@ImmortalSpecies Based on the fact that Horowitz never recorded this piece. Also, I recognise the performance- particularly the really bizarre sounding piano. It's played by the pianist Martin Jones.
@bekirwicz Dollars? No. He composed this piece after waking up from a dream of him burning in fire so he began to compose this piece. When published he earned around 25 cents.
This interpretation is the best recording of this piece. The best recording of any piece is played by Horowitz. Therefore, this interpretation is played by Horowitz. (This is called a valid syllogism. If TH-cam commenters would study logic and argumentation, the Internet could potentially be more enlightening.)
@jthaw Yeah, Horowitz has said in interviews that Rach was almost fatherly to him...But I think Horowitz could have still recorded the piece.. Also remember that when Rach told him to change the tempo of Tchaikovsky Concerto, Horowitz did not cos he was sure it was right...And Rach, I think hated the prelude cos it overshadowed the other 23 preludes though he felt many were better than Op3 No2..Not because he felt it was poor...
W książce Harolda C. Schonberg'a znajduje się pełna lista nagrań Horowitza - tego utworu jednak nigdzie nie ma. Stąd prosty wniosek - Horowitz nigdy nie nagrał tego dzieła i chyba niewiele o nim wspomina o owej książce - mówi tylko, że Rachmaninoff tego preludium nie lubił.
@satyu131089 For some reason, an earlier response of mine did not post, and if it eventually does, then my apologies for duplicate information. What I said was that, to my knowledge, Horowitz never recorded this particular prelude. This sounds very much like Lazar Berman and his recording IS on TH-cam. Also, Horowitz had a very close personal relationship with Rachmaninoff and I find it hard to imagine that he recorded this piece. Why? Because Rachmaninoff came to loath this prelude!
Rachmaninoff was a very humble man and as well as Horowitz he underestimated himself, words mean nothing. I sincerely prefer Rachmaninoff recordings of his own pieces, sadly since many or most of them have bad audio quality we can't expect hearing much feeling in them. Horowitz never claimed himself to be a good pianist neither better than Rachmaninoff, but then again they are just words they mean nothing, Horowitz as well as Rachmaninoff were legends but they shouldn't be compared.
This is a bad joke i suppose for many reasons,Horowitz never perforemed this prelude to start with (except if you can announce the company that recoreded and serial number of cd ofcourse) not to mention the dynamic which is not even close to the style of horowitz, and so on and on.
I don't want to believe that Horowitz would have made such a big mistake: at 0:38 and 2:52 in this video there's D natural, that ruins the whole prelude...
Yes. Shortly after I posted that, I started thinking about it. A piano roll is basically an 88-bit byte of information not unlike the 8-bit byte punched paper tape we used for computer storage in the dark ages (college - 1976). And I figured that an extra bit or two could be added to control volume to some extent. But I still think the video I was referring to probably has too much sensitivity & variation to have been recorded in a punched medium, although I may be wrong. watch?v=mXGSfJn3nKQ
I hope you won’t take this personal, Abram, I’m only trying to show that enlightment might not be such a simple thing, and that thinking actually takes time and effort.. In my opinion :D Ok,, maybe I am taking this way to seriously .. :D haha lols. Cheers!
That doesn't compel him to play it exactly as he wrote it. Composer's opinions are not static; they can change their minds constantly, in this case about how good something sounds. There are multiple examples of Rach playing his own compositions differently to how he wrote them, e.g. he slightly changes the beginning of his own second concerto and the end of his Prelude in G minor.
@satyu131089 Sathya, yes, of course Horowitz could have recorded this prelude. However, the question is: did he? As I mentioned, there is really no reliable evidence that he ever recorded this particular prelude. If you have evidence, then let's see it. As for Rachmaninoff's feelings about his famous prelude, it seems he came to loathe it from being asked to perform it so often. Of course, it's a fine piece of piano literature. I don't think anyone is arguing to the contrary.
@capncoolio try rachs own version! Well, it's a roll alright, but still carrying the soul of a great man!.. Although I admire Gilels especially for this prelude, and Horowitz who has a league of his own with dynamic touch, the sense of timing with rach is just dazzling...
@satyu131089 Yes, I agree. This recording, though very good, does not have the Horowitz stamp. I happen to like this particular prelude, though as I mentioned in another post, Rachmaninoff came to despise it. In fact, he referred to it as "It"! So I am rather dubious about this being Horowitz since they had a close personal relationship - father and son - and out of respect for Rachmaninoff, Horowitz likely would NOT have recorded this, though he surely played it.
Very weird piano style keyboard! Does the code compile? I use visual studio 2010 for most of my C# projects. Did nt know that there are so old programmers either! Cool! Nice background music btw (PIPA might sue you for it?)
The video that purports to be Rachmaninoff playing on a player piano cannot in fact be. A player piano cannot record variation in touch and volume but that recording does. It is very likely taken from an old 78 rpm record and it may or may not actually be Rachmaninoff.
I have my doubts that this is Horowitz. Rachmaninoff himself was sick and tired of being asked to play this piece. He was quoted as saying the 2nd Piano Concerto is uncomfortable to play, and I've heard no evidence that Horowitz played it. Because of the 30-year age difference between them, I think Horowitz considered him a father figure. I think he would follow Rachmaninoff's likes and dislikes.
Obviously not Horowitz. For one, he would never have played on this awful instrument. Totally not Horowitz's style of playing. Of course there's the fact that Horowitz never recorded this piece, too. It's strange. Not sure why someone would make a post like this. Some sort of personality disorder? Someone who thinks his own playing could pass for that of Horowitz perhaps?
Do you realise how pompous and snobby you sound. I love music, it thrills me and can invigorate me, make me weep like no other artistic medium. There is NOTHING wrong with this, I was in fact, thinking what a great hifi recording it actually is too, so many piano pieces on TH-cam distort and have ghost notes. Get over yourself (selves!)
+Bob Bitch - can you tell the difference between a big mac and a prime rib? if you order prime rib and you get served a tofu burger, and you send it back, does that make you a pompous snob? sounds like YOU are the one who is embarrassed that you couldn't tell the difference so you have to lash out at those that could. do you realize how triggered and illiterate you sound? there is a great deal "wrong" with the video, starting with it's a total misrepresentation. it is NOT horowitz playing. add to that it's a very pedestrian performance on a very crappy keyboard, quality of recording not withstanding. in fact, the technical quality of the recording is what makes it possible to discern just how crappy the instrument is. now, does that mean you can't like it? of course not. you are free to like whatever you choose, including mediocre crap. but some people do NOT have a tin ear, and are able to tell immediately that this is not horowitz and not a real piano. if that offends you, maybe YOU need to get over YOURself. snowflake.
And sorry, but if we take a look on the consequences of this syllogism - in what position would that place any other pianist? Are we then to judge every other pianist on a scale of how 'horrowichian' they appear, or should we just ignore them? Would that be fair, or help me understanding music and pianism?
I had to adjust volume about 3 times, because it was either too loud (and woke up my brother) or too quiet (and I didn't hear a thing). So not good at nightttime when you haveto be carefull with volume :)
@ImmortalSpecies I wouldn't be prone to immediately dismiss this a performance by Horowitz, but it lacks a lot of the mercurial temperament, extreme voicing and rubato, and brilliance of sound usually found in his playing. I would at least say that it sounds a bit out-of-character.
This is a worthwhile interpretation, but it’s very unlike Horowitz. Very suspicious, too, that no verifiable evidence is given as to where this is from. To my knowledge, Horowitz never recorded this.
Sorry, but this is NOT Vladimir Horowitz performing. As far as I know, he never recorded this piece. To my ears, it sounds a bit like Lazar Berman, though perhaps someone out there with time to kill can verify that.
Not to put too fine a point on my argument that this is NOT Horowitz, but let me add that the chord triplets that begin at measure 36 are just not performed with the kind of shimmering brilliance that Horowitz would bring to this. Though this particular performance is nicely done, it just does NOT have the raw power and stunning finger work that Horowitz would surely bring to this piece.
@langlois1 I think in this recording there's nothing about misreadings or mistakes like the performer didn't know about them, he makes the D natural willful, otherwise it wouldn't be present in both places of the major relative chord, E. Hence I think this is a performer fantasy, not a Rach's choise of express. The major seventh on the relative and it's 'resolving' depict Rachmaninoff somehow naturally, you don't need to be a musicologist to observe that.. show me a score with the damn D natural
@kingurfay Have you heard the controversial (1968?) Carnegie Hall performance in its unedited version? Also, even Richter had some misreadings and even very sloppy playing at times. I hardly think a couple of misreadings or mistakes are grounds for dismissal of this as an authentic Horowitz performance. Also, ruining the whole prelude? You must be kidding . . .
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Rachmaninov himself praised Horowitz' interpretation of the Third Piano Concerto and refused to perform it himself after hearing Horowitz play it, so we cannot rule out the possibility that Rachmaninov would also consider this performance superior to his own.
That is how awesome Horowitz is!
Listen to Emil Giles playing it
There is a story that Rachmaninov never considered it among his best work, and after playing it as a request (demand?) for several decades he came to hate playing it. Perhaps this was a convenient excuse to no longer do so?
This recording is by English pianist Martin Jones, and it's appeared on the MusicBank label several times, beginning in 2001. The recording technology sounds like it's from much earlier, perhaps the 1960's. Maestro Jones has recorded prolifically during his long career and is active today.
Horowitz probably could have performed this work at the drop of a hat, had he cared to, but as far as is known, he never recorded it, nor did he perform it at any known concert.
Wow, well spotted. Definitely sounds like the identical recording to Martin Jones here: th-cam.com/video/JszYVl6IBKc/w-d-xo.html You can hear the same two pedal noises at 4:09 and 4:12, and the same twangy out-of-tune unison on the high Ab at 4:15. Martin Jones is a very fine pianist, but in that recording not playing on a top-notch piano (and perhaps with less than top-notch recording engineering).
Thanks. I found this recording today and I just had a feeling that it could not been from Horowitz. Thanks, I just checked and you are absolutely right!!
I cannot say for certain whether or not this is Horowitz. I can say that this is probably the best recording of this prelude I've ever heard. So let's just be grateful for it either way.
Seems like the earlier pianists played romantic pieces a fraction slower yet more expressive than nowadays. Honestly, I'm impressed by perfection of speed and technique though the expression is important.One of my favourite keys, being C# minor, I rank this piece 2nd, last movement of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata 3rd, & my favourite in this key as Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu. Amazing how each of these 3 have similarities but are completely distinct from each other - the beauty of composing music
This is the first recording I heard of this song and I absolutely adored it. I proceeded to listen to... countless other recordings, and always ended up back at this one.
That changed, recently. I implore anyone who reads this comment to search "Gilels prelude C sharp minor" - it should be the first video - and listen to that. It has so much more raw energy; it is utterly captivating. :)
Thanks for listening to my rant (if you could call it that :P)
checked the entire discography of Horowitz and he never recorded this prelude. Credit should be given to the correct performer.
It's pretty unlikely that Horovitz never recorded this famous prelude. Anyway, it sounds a bit like Horovitz, but it's nor for sure.
@@gunnarzab2771 hasn't it become popular only recently?
It’s Vladimir Ashkenazy.
It cannot be either Horowitz or Ashkenazy since the performance contains very common beginner mistakes, among them the most common and notable - playing D's instead of D-sharps on 0:40 and in similar places. This is a mistake a professional performer in highly unlikely to make, because it sounds very obviously off to a professional ear.
@@andreiyudin1 That D is marked as a natural in some scores; there is debate over whether that note is a D or a D Sharp. When I learned this piece, even though my score was marked as D Sharp, my teacher and I had a lengthy discussion on whether or not to change it to a natural. Professional performances are split roughly half and half on that note.
This is Vladimir Ashkenzay
Those block C# Minor chords he plays in the end (instead of just the octaves), feels like a giveaway. I don't recall seeing that fleshed out in any versions I've seen.
Patrick Dunn The block chords are in the original
I'll betcha dollars to doughnuts this performance is by Martin Jones and not Vladimir Ashkenazy. Interpretively identical in places to known recordings of Jones. Ashkenazy has a different take. 💵 🍩
My friend played this the other day, and it was amazing, so I want to learn it soon. I've been playing piano for about 7 years now, and I believe I'm almost ready...
I probably would be a horrible piano teacher because I arranged the song to where there would be one existing version that’s technically and robotically unplayable even though I hadn’t read sheet music. Technically, you wouldn’t want a piano teacher that doesn’t read piano notes whether their experienced or not.
@@jonathanreeves8836 hein?! Are you a piano teacher??
I would just start practising. I was about grade 7 standard when I started this piece earlier this year. Before school started, I spent hour practising the piece, and after two more weeks of practising two or three hours a day, I could play the piece, despite it being way out of my ability.
Edit: didn't see that original comment was 12 years old haha
From the first note, this doesn't sound much like Horowitz
0hno - the way he plays the F sharp with his left hand and the C minor is striking! This adagio soltanto excerbo is superbe
This piece personifies my life...
In the Schonberg's book (Horowitz: 'His Life and Music') there is full list of Horowitz's recording - but there isn't this 'Prelude'. A simple request - Horowitz never recorded the work.
This is all about inner turmoil and not making your mind up; confusion; conflict
I appreciate how Horowitz doesn't soar through the descending triplet chords before the Tempo Primo. Every time I've heard this piece, that section has been rushed to the point where you can't distinguish the notes (I'm guilty of that myself, actually).
I just looked it up and if this is indeed from "The Best of Rachmaninov" on ASV then the pianist is Martin Jones. Very well-played though.
I played that, too. Listening to that version was a big help to practise for myself. It`s just amazing!
@bekirwicz
This work was one of the first the 19‑year‑old Rachmaninoff composed as a "Free Artist", after he graduated from the Moscow Conservatory on 29 May 1892. Because at the time Russia was not party to the 1886 Berne Convention, Russian publishers did not pay royalties, so the only financial return he ever received for this piece was a 40 ruble (about two months' wage of a factory worker) publishing fee.
Whomever is the interpreter deserves the credit for this great performance
Andrea M. Exactly
Andrea M. It is not great. It is terrible. Worst performance I ever heard.
if Andrea M. like's it, she like it. Stop being such a frigging snob and using hyperbole. You havent heard me play the piano yet
I seriously want to play this, but my hands are a tad small. Will most definitely give it a try, though. Rachmaninov surely is amazing. Arguably the last true Modern Era composer.
My hands do cramp after playing a piece with octaves. I won't say that I play it comfortably, but that doesn't stop me playing my beloved instrument. I'll definitely give this piece a go. Thanks so much for your comment, I have quite a bit of patience, which I think will help in this case.
Hi, try this octave technique that "livingpianosvideos" shared on youtube about 10 days ago. The vid is called "a secret octave technique" basically if you use your wrists to play octaves it helps out! Good luck!
This is not Horowitz, please change the description.
Max Eckemoff Total fake.
Thank you Brown. Everyone already knows that it's not horowitz's playing. Maybe you want to write it one more time to make sure that the truth is completely revealed ? For the sixth time ? I'm sure you called the police and did all you can but calm down... Everybody realizes this video is fake and it is not going to compromise yours. Horowitz's legacy is back under control, you can sleep well.
Thank you Gluglug69 for a worthwhile contribution. It will be long-remembered.
My comments don't need to be remembered. You only need to understand that you are boring. Besides, I don't know what is your contribution here.. Calling the cops maybe? You didn't even get this video removed. Terrible.
33 take a chill pill bruh, thx
The key to why Horowitz did not play this piece is because Rachmaninoff himself grew tired of it. He was asked to play it ad nauseum. It's the same with the longer cadenza from the Rach 3. Rachmaninoff didn't play it, so neither did Horowitz.
great sound quality, thanks for upload....
I was told by my piano teacher in the late forties in Hungary, that Rachmaninovff admired Alexander Puskin's works a lot. He also had a dream, that Puskin was buried alive, hence the piece. Did anyone heard about this?
I heard the story was that he had a dream that there was a coffin on a faraway hill. He begins to walk toward it, the piece is building, and then at 2:31 he opens the coffin, only to find himself inside of it.
Horowitz never recorded this piece - not on disc, not on tape, not on piano roll. It wasn't even in his repertoire.
HankDrake :'((
HankDrake is absolutely correct. This is a fake. I call upon the channel owner to take it down ASAP. TH-cam prohibits misattributed pieces from making money by advertising.
There are recordings of him that have been manipulated to improve the quality. A friend gave me the album, "A Window In Time", from the Music Rolls Performances. It is excellent. However, I have to say that I prefer this interpretation to the particular Rachmaninoff recording on the album, but it is still amazing to here such a good quality rendering of him playing his own music! I'd really recommend it.
Yes, it will be the piece played prior to eulogies at my funeral (hopefully not too soon). Dark & foreboding with deepness and verve.
I'm just happy to see that I have ever played this wonderful piece...Even though if it is not as marvellous as the Horowitz's rendition!!
One must compare this with Rachmaninoff Plays Rachmaninoff, one of the most sensational performances ever captured on a player piano.
thanks Mr Horowitz...
@KegPatcha I'd be interested to know on what recording you find this performance? As I mentioned below - and you can easily verify this with respect to Horowitz's discography which is well known - he did not record this prelude.
@ImmortalSpecies Based on the fact that Horowitz never recorded this piece. Also, I recognise the performance- particularly the really bizarre sounding piano. It's played by the pianist Martin Jones.
Semplicemente perfetta e stupenda interpretazione
@bekirwicz Dollars? No. He composed this piece after waking up from a dream of him burning in fire so he began to compose this piece. When published he earned around 25 cents.
And a very interesting rendition.
This interpretation is the best recording of this piece.
The best recording of any piece is played by Horowitz.
Therefore, this interpretation is played by Horowitz.
(This is called a valid syllogism. If TH-cam commenters would study logic and argumentation, the Internet could potentially be more enlightening.)
and i can still play the piece
Simply powerful!
dropkicknicos the piece is wonderful but the performance is terrible and not by Horowitz.
@jthaw Yeah, Horowitz has said in interviews that Rach was almost fatherly to him...But I think Horowitz could have still recorded the piece.. Also remember that when Rach told him to change the tempo of Tchaikovsky Concerto, Horowitz did not cos he was sure it was right...And Rach, I think hated the prelude cos it overshadowed the other 23 preludes though he felt many were better than Op3 No2..Not because he felt it was poor...
He is the best!
Anyone else smell someone chain-smoking?
crazy! And I wondered about the passage 2:17 to 2:25. This strange performance could be met even by me...
W książce Harolda C. Schonberg'a znajduje się pełna lista nagrań Horowitza - tego utworu jednak nigdzie nie ma. Stąd prosty wniosek - Horowitz nigdy nie nagrał tego dzieła i chyba niewiele o nim wspomina o owej książce - mówi tylko, że Rachmaninoff tego preludium nie lubił.
@satyu131089 For some reason, an earlier response of mine did not post, and if it eventually does, then my apologies for duplicate information. What I said was that, to my knowledge, Horowitz never recorded this particular prelude. This sounds very much like Lazar Berman and his recording IS on TH-cam. Also, Horowitz had a very close personal relationship with Rachmaninoff and I find it hard to imagine that he recorded this piece. Why? Because Rachmaninoff came to loath this prelude!
Rachmaninoff was a very humble man and as well as Horowitz he underestimated himself, words mean nothing. I sincerely prefer Rachmaninoff recordings of his own pieces, sadly since many or most of them have bad audio quality we can't expect hearing much feeling in them. Horowitz never claimed himself to be a good pianist neither better than Rachmaninoff, but then again they are just words they mean nothing, Horowitz as well as Rachmaninoff were legends but they shouldn't be compared.
This is a bad joke i suppose for many reasons,Horowitz never perforemed this prelude to start with (except if you can announce the company that recoreded and serial number of cd ofcourse) not to mention the dynamic which is not even close to the style of horowitz, and so on and on.
ГЕНИАЛЬНО. Я в консерватории играл . Обожаю эту прелюдию.
I don't want to believe that Horowitz would have made such a big mistake: at 0:38 and 2:52 in this video there's D natural, that ruins the whole prelude...
I actually just shazammed this three times and each time it said this was performed by Vladimir Ashkenazy. Still a beautiful interpretation though.
pavioc16 not Horowitz, not Ashkenazy .
great.
Una de las melodias que mas me inspiran bellesa intensa y sutil inspiracion divina de rachmaninoff
@langlois1 That having been said, it is a good performance, no matter who is actually playing!
@MetalNicola Are you quite sure? It does sound like Horowitz to me - at least in the beginning.
I have not been able to find this for sale anywhere. This makes me wonder if it really is Horowitz.
epic music i love it
Yes. Shortly after I posted that, I started thinking about it. A piano roll is basically an 88-bit byte of information not unlike the 8-bit byte punched paper tape we used for computer storage in the dark ages (college - 1976).
And I figured that an extra bit or two could be added to control volume to some extent.
But I still think the video I was referring to probably has too much sensitivity & variation to have been recorded in a punched medium, although I may be wrong.
watch?v=mXGSfJn3nKQ
He does not play as it is written, but that does not mean that it cannot be the best recording.
I hope you won’t take this personal, Abram, I’m only trying to show that enlightment might not be such a simple thing, and that thinking actually takes time and effort.. In my opinion :D
Ok,, maybe I am taking this way to seriously .. :D haha lols.
Cheers!
That doesn't compel him to play it exactly as he wrote it. Composer's opinions are not static; they can change their minds constantly, in this case about how good something sounds. There are multiple examples of Rach playing his own compositions differently to how he wrote them, e.g. he slightly changes the beginning of his own second concerto and the end of his Prelude in G minor.
@satyu131089 Sathya, yes, of course Horowitz could have recorded this prelude. However, the question is: did he? As I mentioned, there is really no reliable evidence that he ever recorded this particular prelude. If you have evidence, then let's see it. As for Rachmaninoff's feelings about his famous prelude, it seems he came to loathe it from being asked to perform it so often. Of course, it's a fine piece of piano literature. I don't think anyone is arguing to the contrary.
It is not Horovitz playing, it's actually Bela Lugosi
@capncoolio try rachs own version! Well, it's a roll alright, but still carrying the soul of a great man!.. Although I admire Gilels especially for this prelude, and Horowitz who has a league of his own with dynamic touch, the sense of timing with rach is just dazzling...
BEST. INTERPRETATION. EVER. :D
NomadRussian are you ironic??
this is actually performed by Martin jones .
@EduOrta142536 they're great pianists, that's why )))
i'm learning it now and really struggling with right hand in that part
@satyu131089 Yes, I agree. This recording, though very good, does not have the Horowitz stamp. I happen to like this particular prelude, though as I mentioned in another post, Rachmaninoff came to despise it. In fact, he referred to it as "It"! So I am rather dubious about this being Horowitz since they had a close personal relationship - father and son - and out of respect for Rachmaninoff, Horowitz likely would NOT have recorded this, though he surely played it.
Гений!!!
There are some incredible voicings in this interpretation but i think i still prefer the Rachmaninoff recording (assuming they are both real)
First time listening to this through superior headphones - its is a completely different performance. Absolutely ethereal.
unfortunately youtube compression still does a number on it
Nor should, in my view, any two performers be compared. Ever.
The emotion of God is in this piece.
2:32 just great. EMOTION
it's so dark and so fuckin deep
Very weird piano style keyboard! Does the code compile? I use visual studio 2010 for most of my C# projects. Did nt know that there are so old programmers either!
Cool!
Nice background music btw (PIPA might sue you for it?)
there MUST BE D sharp. Rachmaninoff played D sharp, you can hear it on vinyl disks
敬愛なるホロヴィッツ…とても素敵で好きな演奏なのですが本当にホロヴィッツの演奏なのでしょうか？ そう思えたり、もっと爆音😂の気もしたり。
CDをいくら検索してもこの曲は出てきません。
@kingurfay I'm not entirely clear on the point that you are making . . . and the hostility of your final remark?
The video that purports to be Rachmaninoff playing on a player piano cannot in fact be. A player piano cannot record variation in touch and volume but that recording does. It is very likely taken from an old 78 rpm record and it may or may not actually be Rachmaninoff.
I play way darker than anything in the world. I rearranged it to where the section that one finger slipped on gets harder.
@KegPatcha How long were you holding it in? That's not healthy.
I have my doubts that this is Horowitz. Rachmaninoff himself was sick and tired of being asked to play this piece. He was quoted as saying the 2nd Piano Concerto is uncomfortable to play, and I've heard no evidence that Horowitz played it. Because of the 30-year age difference between them, I think Horowitz considered him a father figure. I think he would follow Rachmaninoff's likes and dislikes.
Hey there, where can i download that in wav ? Paying is np, thanks
Great performance, but I don't think this is Horowitz playing. Not at all.
Alex Lopes It is not Horowitz. This is a fake.
I'm not sure but when it started getting faster did he slowdown like he was lost? This is one of my favorite pieces...
@MetalNicola Yes but who is it then ? It's still a very nice interpretation.
Obviously not Horowitz. For one, he would never have played on this awful instrument. Totally not Horowitz's style of playing. Of course there's the fact that Horowitz never recorded this piece, too. It's strange. Not sure why someone would make a post like this. Some sort of personality disorder? Someone who thinks his own playing could pass for that of Horowitz perhaps?
hnkahl So harsh but hilarious
AlexJamesGTV you shure??
hnkahl agreed. This does not sound like Horowitz at all
Do you realise how pompous and snobby you sound. I love music, it thrills me and can invigorate me, make me weep like no other artistic medium. There is NOTHING wrong with this, I was in fact, thinking what a great hifi recording it actually is too, so many piano pieces on TH-cam distort and have ghost notes. Get over yourself (selves!)
+Bob Bitch - can you tell the difference between a big mac and a prime rib? if you order prime rib and you get served a tofu burger, and you send it back, does that make you a pompous snob? sounds like YOU are the one who is embarrassed that you couldn't tell the difference so you have to lash out at those that could.
do you realize how triggered and illiterate you sound? there is a great deal "wrong" with the video, starting with it's a total misrepresentation. it is NOT horowitz playing. add to that it's a very pedestrian performance on a very crappy keyboard, quality of recording not withstanding. in fact, the technical quality of the recording is what makes it possible to discern just how crappy the instrument is. now, does that mean you can't like it? of course not. you are free to like whatever you choose, including mediocre crap. but some people do NOT have a tin ear, and are able to tell immediately that this is not horowitz and not a real piano. if that offends you, maybe YOU need to get over YOURself. snowflake.
@jpr53196 good luck with the hard parts like the beginning, the middle, and the end.
And sorry, but if we take a look on the consequences of this syllogism - in what position would that place any other pianist? Are we then to judge every other pianist on a scale of how 'horrowichian' they appear, or should we just ignore them? Would that be fair, or help me understanding music and pianism?
I had to adjust volume about 3 times, because it was either too loud (and woke up my brother) or too quiet (and I didn't hear a thing). So not good at nightttime when you haveto be carefull with volume :)
and everytime im playin im just wondering how on earth this pianist could make this sound
@ImmortalSpecies I wouldn't be prone to immediately dismiss this a performance by Horowitz, but it lacks a lot of the mercurial temperament, extreme voicing and rubato, and brilliance of sound usually found in his playing. I would at least say that it sounds a bit out-of-character.
This is a worthwhile interpretation, but it’s very unlike Horowitz. Very suspicious, too, that no verifiable evidence is given as to where this is from. To my knowledge, Horowitz never recorded this.
"Played by" ? Sounds like a computer generated MIDI keyboard piece.
I want to know what computer capable of this
Sorry, but this is NOT Vladimir Horowitz performing. As far as I know, he never recorded this piece. To my ears, it sounds a bit like Lazar Berman, though perhaps someone out there with time to kill can verify that.
Not to put too fine a point on my argument that this is NOT Horowitz, but let me add that the chord triplets that begin at measure 36 are just not performed with the kind of shimmering brilliance that Horowitz would bring to this. Though this particular performance is nicely done, it just does NOT have the raw power and stunning finger work that Horowitz would surely bring to this piece.
I think he's Santiago Rodriguez or Steven OSborne
It's this recording: th-cam.com/video/JszYVl6IBKc/w-d-xo.html
when was this piano roll recorded?
how the hell does the grat pianists make the accents very well performed in this piece(agitato)!!!
this is on an upright piano or close to it - this is emphatically not horowitz. come on, guys, use your ears.
@langlois1 I think in this recording there's nothing about misreadings or mistakes like the performer didn't know about them, he makes the D natural willful, otherwise it wouldn't be present in both places of the major relative chord, E. Hence I think this is a performer fantasy, not a Rach's choise of express. The major seventh on the relative and it's 'resolving' depict Rachmaninoff somehow naturally, you don't need to be a musicologist to observe that.. show me a score with the damn D natural
@kingurfay Have you heard the controversial (1968?) Carnegie Hall performance in its unedited version? Also, even Richter had some misreadings and even very sloppy playing at times. I hardly think a couple of misreadings or mistakes are grounds for dismissal of this as an authentic Horowitz performance.
Also, ruining the whole prelude? You must be kidding . . .