"With Lord of the Tachyon Galaxy and the all mighty Dragon Rulers right around the corner..." We have been right around the corner for like 6 weeks by now Alex
For anyone curious why Cimo wasn't playing Constellar omega+Sombre, it's because those cards came out in Lord of tachyon galaxy which is in the same set as Dragon rulers
That’s exactly what I was wondering. I played this back then and Sombre is what made the deck really potent. I pooped on dragon ruler players because of plediades getting through draccosack so easily. I never played the bear package though, was way too expensive and slow
7:59 Constellar Pollux and Evilswarm Castor have the same effects for their respective archetypes. Castor and Pollux being the brothers of Helen of Troy, the famous 'Gemini Twins' of Greek mythology.
@@DrDrao Also on purpose, since Kerykion and Sombre (the latter actually being Gem Knights Lapis Lazuli) team up in the end to defeat the Goddess Sophia in the Duel Terminal saga. "It's like poetry, it rhymes"
Evilswarm Castor was originally a Constellar, twin of Pollux, who was corrupted by the Lswarm virus. Later on, Constellar Rosalgue tried to raid the Evilswarm and steal their power to win the war, but was corrupted and become Evilswarm Kerykeion. But Kerykeion still has his sanity and used the power of the corrupted Ice Dragons to fight alongside his brothers and sisters (who fused all into Sombre) to fight Sophia. At the end of the story Sombre and Kery becomes the new gods of creation and destruct
As a past active Constellar player, I feel Cimo could have won the match or have a better game state of he actually knew Pleiades Effect was in both players field, examples (bounce pollux instead of gorz when he torrentialed in game 1 and bounce tenki when IT got mind controled in game 2)
@@oliverdeeley Exactly IT was not autopilot and any misplay or a bad use of resources was a 100% loss, thats why IT ran safe zone to pop any monster by bouncing IT with pleiades, IT reused fiendish chain, tenki and call by the haunted as well to gain more advantage And momentum.
@@Infernosab3r im not defending Cimo because regardless he would not do IT or who knows but in game 2 both xyzs did not properly summon do to T King so theres no legal target for xyz reborn
or how cimo didnt use thr Tenki ATK gain to crash Kaus into Rai-Oh and keep Pollux. granted he wouldn't get the search but he already has a ROTA but it would've been better than using multiple monsters as Rai-Oh fodder
I feel like saying Chaos ends here isn't completely true unless you mean specifically the ones using those cards since I'd argue plenty of variants of things like Thunder Dragons or Dragon Link would also classify as chaos decks
it's more that chaos as a strategy, like purposefully playing lights and darks together to enable BLS or Sorc fell off. Some decks later like B.A. and Thundra could justify running chaos cards by having either dual attributes like thundra or hand trap/tech choices to fill the other side like BA playing veiler or ogre. Even then it was mostly a teched in BLS or Levianeer.
Dragon Link fits the bill a bit better, but there's a reason its called Dragon Link and not Chaos Link, since it only uses a few Chaos monsters because they happen to be dragons.
There are definitely still chaos monsters and decks running a lot of light/dark monsters, but not really decks that only run them because they are chaos typing. Like thunder dragons runs the baby chaos dragons because they can go into seals and proc thunder effects, and the thunder dragons are light and dark - but they aren't just shuffled into any other "chaos" deck.
And don't forget Shaddolls. Honestly, I've always felt that Shaddolls were created with Chaos in mind. The main deck monsters are mostly dark types and their main boss monster is a light monster which also requires light monsters as fusion material. Coincidence? I think not!
When they get to this point in history of jank I want someone to pilot pre-LVAL Raccoons. The deck at this point in time was Junk Warrior OTK but it did have a few tricks up its sleeve like The Fabled Unicore, Frozen Fitzgerald being a budget Armades, and Wind Up Kitten being a Compulse on four legs so it gave a recurring bouncing once Ayers Rock Sunrise was released in Dragons of Legend.
The Constellar monster works similar to something like Cali Yuga, where the double summon effect resolves upon normal summon, without activating, so negating the monster does nothing, because the player has already been granted the effect to summon again.
@@tomsaer705 they do, you have to know what to look for. An effect only activates if it has a colon or a semicolon. The effect doesn't activate if those aren't present. Good examples of this are Chaos Sorcerer and Cyber Dragon. Their summon conditions don't activate, because neither punctuation is present.
@@TheMatt_SD Yeah I get that rule (competitive player and judge etc. so I know most rulings). But I do think that conditions are unclear. E.g. PK Rusty Bardiche reads: "Cannot be used as Link Material." This to me reads very similarly to effects that can be negated, such as "Cannot be destroyed by card effects." My understanding is that even if you negate Rusty's other effects, it still cannot be used as link material, but I don't think that's very clear as far as the text goes. Someone told me that the OCG has a special part of the text on their cards that separate conditions and make them more clear.
I love how they keep putting off the inevitable. D-Ruler isn't that complicated of a deck to play, especially in comparison to some of the decks they play in modern Yugioh.
It’s not a hard deck to play but because of the 2 deck format(evilswarm lul) there is a lot of depth to some of the interactions that actually make it a hard format. Similar to goat format, the fewer decks the more intricate it can be
I was at the April 2013 YCS in Columbus, running around everywhere looking for Bears. I remember people talking about XYZ Reborn because of Evilswarms. They thought it would be good to chain Reborn to the activation of Mermail Abyssteus and Abyssmegalo, bringing back Evilswarm Ophion because of Ophion’s continuous effect that level 5 and higher monsters cannot be special summoned.
We called the short time before Dark Armed Dragon Edison format, I think it'd be funny if we called the short time before the dragon rulers Tesla format or something.
This is the best yugioh I've seen to date. The entire zexal era(minus dragon rulers) has been so diverse and enjoyable like man a time ruler format for this would be great
iirc this is called the Meadowlands format after an event from the time period, there was a small tournament ran for it last week , it's currently on the front page of format library
I'm hoping they do one more match in this format. Inzektors was a really interesting deck at this time with hornet and dragonfly at 1. It lead to a really interesting deck build and was also THE ONLY YCS WIN INZEKTORS GOT. Inzektors never won when they were at full power but ended up winning their first YCS after it was limited.
They will use up the wheel before Rulers format. So two more episodes of this format. And I acutally think this a very great and diverse format that has been overlooked. This honestly deserves a discord server.
Cimo, the release of Sombre vastly helps out this deck as well as jamming a bunch of floodgates in. This deck tops later in Dragon Ruler format because Pleiades + Vanity's Emptiness/Macro Cosmos/Soul Drain is pretty much an auto-win vs Rulers/Prophecy.
+1 on this, i played the crap outta this deck and without sombre it just doesnt have the staying power much like Ophion.dek doesnt have staying power without Kerykeion.
The reason this list wasn’t playing Omega is because it came out in LTGY. Maybe if it and Sombre had come out alongside the rest of the deck it wouldn’t have been overshadowed by the Rulers, but I doubt it considering the deck lacked ways to compensate for the advantage lost by having to use two cards in hand to do anything relevant.
I wept as well. And yes that was always the issue when I played constellars back then. If constellars actually generated advantage I do think it easily would have been a tier 1 at one point because you catch a glimpse of it star chart builds. There was actually a one duel I had where I out paced d rulers because I was going + 3 on each of our turns. But star chart has it's own issues and only really good in multiples with other cards and cradle kinda sucked because losing the bp did suck you needed to manage your Pleiades bounces and needed just to keep smaller stuff off the board so they can't xyz next turn or just actually do damage. I do think sombre pre LTGY would have been interesting because I think macro stelars would be the way to go, but at the same time you can realistically 1 for 1 out or smartly out trade everything but mermail and in some starts dino rabbit. At the very least it would allowed for more common overlaying m7 on a omega since it is less specific then praesepe and you are normally in a winning position if your opponent doesn't kill the m7 on their turn because you get to actually get advantage back. It was heavily underrated in march 13 format though. The deal ruler match up wasn't bad if you knew to play floodgates right, evilswarm is normally free, and the floodgates kinda beat most other playable decks if you went first or you went second and didn't get hand sniped or something. Besides spellbooks. Spellbooks was a pain because you won or lost on the coin flip usually as you won if you opened tkr or deck lock down but then the game 3 you just win because you almost always just won when you go first but you had to open drool going second in the one game 2 or 3 you went second unless they somehow opened the jowgen with no protection outside a fate because then you can possibly pollux additional normal over the jowgen but you normally only get that play game 1 because they auto assume you are rulers.
Oh that Veiler-Pollux interaction takes me back haha! I remember after the events started rolling in where arguments around that card and its Evilswarm twin Castor were raging and people found out. Kaus is also a Beast-Warrior because it's a centaur. Not easy to see due to the angle and the fact he is rearing up.
0:59 THE WHEEL IS BACK!!! 2:32 So next episode Cimooo plays Inzektor's vs MBT's Mermail? 2:34 MBT's deck: Chaos Agents 6:26 Cimooooo's Deck: Constellar 11:20 Game 1 13:12 Another Rullings class in session featuring Constellar Pollux 21:33 Game 2 27:37 Game 3
That game one perfectly demonstrated why I used Star Cradle in my Constellars. There is no single Contellar that can do anything from that position, since Sombre still had a few weeks to come out.
Consteller is one of my old favorites, you can see what would become Starttellers(my favorite archetype) down the line and I love it. They weren’t the strongest but they were simple and I really like that about them, definitely wish they would get some more support
I have to say despite satellars later down the line being more consistent because of Deneb and Triverr being an absolute house I did massively miss the ability to go into rank 5s. Pleiades + set lance was a great opener but man volcasaurus into gaia dragon would absolutely steal games out of nowhere.
@@pancakes7483 Their problems were further compounded by the fact that their strongest boss monster was semi-generic. It's sad that other decks could use it more efficiently that they themselves.
Its been a blast, Chaos. From here onwards, the order of Archetypes reigns supreme. Sure there will be the occasional HAT-esk deck of mixing archetypes that synergise together, small engines that help facilitate the main deck, even the occasional wacky combo FTK but they are only small bleeps on the radar. The wildwest era is over and now is the era of skyscrapers. It came full circle with Chaos.
While LTGY gives us all of the Dragon Rulers, it also give us Constellar Sombre and Constellar Omega - both boons to the Constellar strategy. While Dragon Rulers ran around, there was a budget option to play Constellar with these additions and Vanity's Emptiness. Pleiades notably was able to bounce Blaster destruction targets to avoid losing the Emptiness.
Pleiades with Macro or d fis up was a tough moment for d rulers because you could eat up enough early advantage they would generate but then they couldn't out you with blaster. Deck lockdown is also super underrated in the main and was a great bounce back target.
38:56 No, the SIDS of yugioh is Shaddoll Invoked Dogmatika Stun. Basically a flip flop between control of Winda stays on board, and stun if she is outed early. Also the single Mechaba negate, and various hand traps. The DPE is recursive destruction and a hell of a comeback top deck.
Cimo had a line in game 2 when he had tenki and a bunch of constellars in hand vs rai oh and sorc. HGe could have summoned his 3 constellars, kaus is a beast warrior so he could have crashed with rai oh while tenki was up after using his effect to buff the levels of the others. Thought i'd share.
Cimoo...Constellars tops several times past this. It tops at least a couple of times in DRuler format and several times after that in the two formats that come after. You haven't gotten Sombre yet which is a big turning point of the deck. This deck was actually like Tier 2 for a little while in some less powerful formats at the end of 2013 into 2014.
Idea for a "season 2" of history of yugioh seeing as you can't really do a season 2 like for progression. How about a series exactly like this but following the OCG? it would be very rewarding for both viewers and you and joseph yourselves getting to learn more and play through the history of the other side of the card game. I imagine most viewers know very little of the OCG and its meta throughout the years. Not sure how familiar you guys are with it. You could start from whatever point it starts to diverge from the TCG since i know they're basically the same at the start. Only thing against it is that other people have done videos like that but if you wanted to avoid doing something thats been covered before this series wouldn't exist. I don't think the other history series have this format. And maybe as mini series you guys could do history of duel links and even master duel when that gets older.
@@windinthewillow1871 Sangan and Witch didn't need need to be on field to trigger when they were first printed in the OCG they can be discarded. There was a very consist Exodia with 3 pot, 3 graceful, 3 sangan and 3 witch. Back then the only hand destruction cards available during that format just morphing jar. Its crazy how vastly different the card pools compared to the tcg when yu-gi-oh first started in the ocg. Exodia being a dominant deck there made konami print all the hand destruction cards like forceful sentry, trap dust shoot and delinquent duo
About Cimo not using the XYZReborn during a certain match. Actual game knowledge! There were no legal targets! People in the comments always point out the misplays so I figure pointing out the opposite would be a nice change of pace.
This was a deck that my friend played back in the middle school days, and a play I remember him doing but Cimo didn't do was Pleadies bounce back the tenki to re-use him later, and him using the lv 3 way more often
Exactly. Pleiades can bounce back Call of the Haunted, Tenki or even Vanity's Emptiness for advantage. And M7 could get back your Kaus from the grave. Cimo doesn't know Constellar well enough.
Not sure if you're counting this era as one of those but they did have eight decks, they just chose to split them across two wheels to avoid mirrors & help them actually know how to play the decks.
Diversity doesn't always make a good format though.There can be multiple options in the meta but very few good and interactive match-ups between the decks.
I mean most of 2019 was 4 decks Thundra, Orcust, Salad, Striker making up the meta with various other more rogue strats popping up here and there like Dinos, Spyral and Prank Kids.
@@furkanekkiz7611 like right now. Where we technically have like 7 viable decks. But they are almost all DPE Scythe and or Halq turbo. It’s a subpar format.
Chaos Agents had some personal connection with me tbh, it's the last deck that I played competitively before I retire at the start of D. Rulers. Great performance on the deck, MBT!
It's so absolutely baffling to me that Joseph literally read "Unlike conditions, they are card effects, so they can potentially be negated." out loud and they still both went "well someone on the internet who had reason to push for it not being negated said it's not negated, that must be how it works!"
Its not wrong though. The official response from Konami after YCS Meadowlands in May of 2013 where judges ruled it could be negated was that if the effects aren't negated the moment they are on the field(such as by skill drain) then the effect applies for the rest of the turn no matter what happens to the monster. So technically if they were at the tournament in May 2013, the Veiler would have been legal and stopped the extra normal, but immediately after the tournament Konami would state it doesn't actually work that way. It always couldn't be negated by Veiler in the OCG btw
2013 was fun because it had a bunch of win cons available for decks that couldn't hang with the best 2. There were a bunch of decks that could auto win if they drew a one of x but would have to play crazy smart to beat them straight up
i gotta say, chaos does have 1 last time it comes up. in shaddoll when denko sekka came out, bls and snatch steal was insane....ill never forget as a BA player at the time
I played Constellar as a meta call for a huge $1000 cash tournament around this time. I mained triple safe zone and triple cardcar d because it helped keep the hand up because the deck got gassed in long games. I dumpstered Evilswarm all day and took first lol
Oooo I was just going to be onboard with night wish til you reminded me Pleiades wasn’t properly summoned. Thank you for this. I’m eating my words during the game lol.
Praesepe was one of my first 3 Xyz monsters. (Tiger King and Grenasaurus were my other 2.) For some reason, the guy was selling Secret Rares for a dollar.
@@KaitlynFedrick Indeed, that's a Stellarknight monster. So you are actually not talking about Constellar but Stellarknights. Different archetypes with the same lore. Look it up.
@@pandaman1331 it is also a Constellar monster. It's literally in the name I'm aware that Tellarknights and Constellars are heavily linked in DT lore, but Tellarknight Constellar Diamond is Constellar monster and not a Satellarknight one (though it is a Tellarknight one)
You can literally look up the 2015 meta on yugioh topdecks. It's not even up for debate. It's factual that Stellarknight toped in 2015 against Shaddolls and Burning Abyss and not Cobstellar. The boss monster only has Constellar in it's name because it shares the lore about star "constellations". Look at the alternative summoning condition. It literally states that a stellarknight XYZ monster is required. It's not possible to do it with a Constellar monster. It even has Stellarknight in it's name. That should make it clear enough.
Oh god yeah playing Constellar before Sombre is giga cope, this was ROUGH. I feel like this match really showed why bombs were important in yugioh. Joseph’s deck was playing several bomb cards and Alex’s basically had none, which gave Joseph things to work towards while Constellars didn’t really have an endgame.
Constellars without sombre is a sad saaad sight to behold. Once you lose the pleiades and enter topdeck mode its game over when the deck you're against has multiple 2500+ drops they can rip as demonstrated by MBT.
Cimo should have used effect veiler on rai oh around 26:30. Could have used tiras after to kill rai oh deal 700 and use the effect to pop sorc. Then on the next turn activate call, mbt has to decree it (or die) then heavy storm, the mst is kinda gone at that point so if it's used to save the decree, cimo could xyz reborn back pleiades and attack for lethal. If mbt is more scared of what the reborn could be more than the heavy storm cimo is still only 1200 short. And with 4400 facing down an empty board, I think he could have closed it out on the next turn regardless. In any case he should have used veiler on rai oh.
And now, a moment of silence in honor of Chaos. You were the terror of many formats, born from the power of CED. Rest in peace, and let this last victory be a worthy send-off.
@@gabrielpelletier6202 Lmaoo dead my ass still competes with t1 just has a bad match up against swordsoul and shits been hit like 30 times elpy agarpain colossus baby dragons striker could name like 5 more tbh
Not really, chaos decks are called that because they had bls and chaos sorc as bosses/end goals, and ced before them, decks which use chaos cards today only use them as extension and in thunder's case, because they proc thunder dragons' effects
@@andrejv.2834 did you forget about chaos ruler? Dragon link specifically plays a correct ratio of light attribute hand traps so their chaos monsters work. Playing the deck is all about balancing your light and dark monsters as well. Playing seals(light) before you are locked into darks. Hot red requires a dark. Wyverbuster… collapserpent… chaos ruler…
@@cooldes4593 but which chaos monster in dlink is a boss they end on, bls or ced were bosses chaos decks used to be built around to get them out on the field as blowout cards, dlink uses all those guys as just extenders because they happen to be dragons
@@andrejv.2834 Technically Thunder Dragons IS Chaos. At minimum it was always intended to be a successor to the deck. And works as a modern take on it. Only falling out of play due to it's core cards getting banned/limited. Much like how Dragon Link was technically a successor of Chaos Dragons.
@@andrejv.2834 i have to disagree. Levianeer and chaos ruler are boss monsters that the deck clearly plays. It plays the chaos pieces like seyfert, wyverbuster, and collapserpent, and it also plays chaos boss monsters as well.
27:17 Couldn’t Cimoooo use Xyz Reborn there? He had turns upon turns to use it, so why didn’t he? Edit: I just remembered that since their summons were negated, they cannot be summoned from the graveyard.
Nobody gonna mention XYZ reborn was live for multiple turns to which MBT had no out for, even on the scoop when MST was chained to call of the haunted, XYZ reborn target was still a larger attacker than MBT currently controlled
I feel like Game One Cimo should have bounced his own monster rather than Gorz, with the anticipation that he was going to Torrential. The worst MBT can do from that position without committing more to the board is put Cimo on a 2 turn clock. Which still leaves Cimo more time to build resources and maybe find some outs.
This really takes me back to when I played in this time and game 2 I saw the thunder king and instantly had pain because it was painful dealing with it in constellars and considering the spot Cimo was in, he should have really not made pleiades but made a weaker xyz to force the tkr negate. Losing the fiendish chain honestly just sucked because it forced the tkr getting 2 for 1 instead of getting the tenki for bear next turn.
Pain I just saw the second Tkr and knew where this was going. Tkr was really just that much of a demon in the match up unless you played the br to 1 for 1 it and actually drew it. It's also why constellars would probably be better in the latter formats but at the same time part of it is this build. It really should have really been play tkr itself because even though you can't search under it, your opponent has to deal with or lose and it's arguably the best ns in the game then along with being light. And this build plays significant backrow which is even better for thunder king. More then anything this build in particularly for this time needed some more work imo even though I do see there's a lot right here.
Bounce gorz and make m7 was 100% the play. Mbt's lp was low enough any direct attack would kill him, gorz would just brick his hand, and prevents the token crash.
tbh im ready for dragon rulers at this point, just because the longer it takes to get to them, the longer we have to wait to then get out of them. might as well rip the bandaid off at this rate.
Something interesting with Constellars. Creature Swap sometimes saw use in builds with more copies of Sheratan. Swapping a copy to your opponent while setting up a hand for a big follow up next turn was brutal. Defensive buildscould even get you into positions where you reasonable go T1 Sheratan search Sheratan set 4 -> T2 Sheratan OL 3 COL M7. A disgusting control line for slower control mirrors. Really wish this deck got Sombre before LotTG.
Would have been amazing. I loved constellars to death and did well with them in 2013-2015 but I skipping this whole tcg format to play ocg because no sombre and omega and that would have been massive here. The only real awful match up was mermail or rabbit but the side deck does much work vs mermail and rabbit was doable if you don't open bad/depends on your main deck and who goes first.
@@brandonreeds9587 I disagree on that. BA maybe, but that was a game ended rather then extended. But Thunder dragon chaos was the name and used an extensive Chaos engine, things like BLS, the baby chaos dragons, Levi, and the Thunder dragon level 8 monster, were bombs as well as extenders. Dragon link today is more chaos than anything else and the point of the deck is too play light/dark monsters to facility chaos typings. Also, let’s not forgot that the chaos deck MBT played literally played 2 chaos monsters (Sorc and BLS), while these decks have double or triple that
@@Dylan-vs6sf I mean the situation 26:29 in which he had XYZ Reborn set right after the Rai-Oh negation in Cimos MP1. He could have continued with the XYZ Reborn. Or could have chained it to the MST later in the game.
@@Smitecrawler Yeah that would have been an illegal play. If the summon gets negated it wasn't properly special summoned and thus is not a valid target
Ok first off. Why no cyber dragon? Easy bait for trap holes and it can get over T king before you xyz summon. Plus with him and kaus thats a rank 5. But the addition on sombre and omega really made the deck pop.
Hmm, reminds me of when oppoents fussed about those monsters being able to normal summon another monster after pot of duality on dueling book in the past.
14:15 If Pollux is actually an unclassified effect, it can be negated. It's not a condition. So Veiler should work unless the rules have changed. Maybe the guy that topped with it accidentally cheated? Lol.
It can be negated as long as it is negated from the moment it is on the field. IE: A face up skill drain already on the field. However the effect does not cause a chain and lasts till the end of turn even if the card is later negated thus effect veiler does nothing. We can confirm 100% this is how it works, because Konami flat out said so after a YCS had judges ruling the opposite
I know that feeling of "winning until you're losing" from Game 1 all too well. Not surprised people like going for OTKs and negate security blankets with how frustrating it can be to get trampled after having the life point lead up until the final turn(which is sometimes as soon as 1 turn after a big push). Overextending has always been terrible in this game though, board wipes have been a thing since its inception. That's probably why I prefer controlling boards based on stealing momentum(and monsters) rather than flipping floodgates, as backrow isn't safe from nuking either(this is a game where Harpie's Feather Duster was conceived before Mystical Space Typhoon after all).
"With Lord of the Tachyon Galaxy and the all mighty Dragon Rulers right around the corner..."
We have been right around the corner for like 6 weeks by now Alex
"Heavy Storm taught players to be conservative" ~Alex Cimo, Turning Point Domino City
Better that than the other way.
1d ago.
Here we go again
when you step on a lego
@@cba_2442 What other way?
For anyone curious why Cimo wasn't playing Constellar omega+Sombre, it's because those cards came out in Lord of tachyon galaxy which is in the same set as Dragon rulers
That’s exactly what I was wondering. I played this back then and Sombre is what made the deck really potent. I pooped on dragon ruler players because of plediades getting through draccosack so easily.
I never played the bear package though, was way too expensive and slow
7:59 Constellar Pollux and Evilswarm Castor have the same effects for their respective archetypes.
Castor and Pollux being the brothers of Helen of Troy, the famous 'Gemini Twins' of Greek mythology.
Their best cards, kerk and sombre also have effectively the same effect.
@@DrDrao Also on purpose, since Kerykion and Sombre (the latter actually being Gem Knights Lapis Lazuli) team up in the end to defeat the Goddess Sophia in the Duel Terminal saga.
"It's like poetry, it rhymes"
Evilswarm Castor was originally a Constellar, twin of Pollux, who was corrupted by the Lswarm virus. Later on, Constellar Rosalgue tried to raid the Evilswarm and steal their power to win the war, but was corrupted and become Evilswarm Kerykeion. But Kerykeion still has his sanity and used the power of the corrupted Ice Dragons to fight alongside his brothers and sisters (who fused all into Sombre) to fight Sophia. At the end of the story Sombre and Kery becomes the new gods of creation and destruct
That sounds like the perfect idea for an adaptation. Konami get on it.
@@phoney4258 They started the Sky Striker manga. MAYBE they understood that their own lore is cool AF.
As a past active Constellar player, I feel Cimo could have won the match or have a better game state of he actually knew Pleiades Effect was in both players field, examples (bounce pollux instead of gorz when he torrentialed in game 1 and bounce tenki when IT got mind controled in game 2)
Agreed. Like Evilswarm, Constellars was a deck that you needed really know the tiny details of the deck to fully play efficiently.
@@oliverdeeley Exactly IT was not autopilot and any misplay or a bad use of resources was a 100% loss, thats why IT ran safe zone to pop any monster by bouncing IT with pleiades, IT reused fiendish chain, tenki and call by the haunted as well to gain more advantage And momentum.
Don't forget actually using xyz reborn to revive Pleiades which he ignored all game in game 2
Reading is a power ;p
@@Infernosab3r im not defending Cimo because regardless he would not do IT or who knows but in game 2 both xyzs did not properly summon do to T King so theres no legal target for xyz reborn
it hurts to see how cimo... never thought of bouncing back his own tenki with Pleiades.
or how cimo didnt use thr Tenki ATK gain to crash Kaus into Rai-Oh and keep Pollux.
granted he wouldn't get the search but he already has a ROTA but it would've been better than using multiple monsters as Rai-Oh fodder
This is precisely why he was the most annoying boss monster post laggia
I feel like saying Chaos ends here isn't completely true unless you mean specifically the ones using those cards since I'd argue plenty of variants of things like Thunder Dragons or Dragon Link would also classify as chaos decks
it's more that chaos as a strategy, like purposefully playing lights and darks together to enable BLS or Sorc fell off. Some decks later like B.A. and Thundra could justify running chaos cards by having either dual attributes like thundra or hand trap/tech choices to fill the other side like BA playing veiler or ogre. Even then it was mostly a teched in BLS or Levianeer.
Dragon Link fits the bill a bit better, but there's a reason its called Dragon Link and not Chaos Link, since it only uses a few Chaos monsters because they happen to be dragons.
There are definitely still chaos monsters and decks running a lot of light/dark monsters, but not really decks that only run them because they are chaos typing. Like thunder dragons runs the baby chaos dragons because they can go into seals and proc thunder effects, and the thunder dragons are light and dark - but they aren't just shuffled into any other "chaos" deck.
They’re also kind of ignoring Grass decks
And don't forget Shaddolls. Honestly, I've always felt that Shaddolls were created with Chaos in mind. The main deck monsters are mostly dark types and their main boss monster is a light monster which also requires light monsters as fusion material. Coincidence? I think not!
When they get to this point in history of jank I want someone to pilot pre-LVAL Raccoons. The deck at this point in time was Junk Warrior OTK but it did have a few tricks up its sleeve like The Fabled Unicore, Frozen Fitzgerald being a budget Armades, and Wind Up Kitten being a Compulse on four legs so it gave a recurring bouncing once Ayers Rock Sunrise was released in Dragons of Legend.
The Constellar monster works similar to something like Cali Yuga, where the double summon effect resolves upon normal summon, without activating, so negating the monster does nothing, because the player has already been granted the effect to summon again.
I never knew this! What a crazy ruling. I do feel like the one thing that should change with YGO card text is stating clearly what 'conditions' are
@@tomsaer705 they do, you have to know what to look for. An effect only activates if it has a colon or a semicolon. The effect doesn't activate if those aren't present.
Good examples of this are Chaos Sorcerer and Cyber Dragon. Their summon conditions don't activate, because neither punctuation is present.
I love that kali works that way cause it means it can out an active mystic mine from under it
Does the same apply to Noble Knight Custennin?
@@TheMatt_SD Yeah I get that rule (competitive player and judge etc. so I know most rulings). But I do think that conditions are unclear. E.g. PK Rusty Bardiche reads: "Cannot be used as Link Material." This to me reads very similarly to effects that can be negated, such as "Cannot be destroyed by card effects." My understanding is that even if you negate Rusty's other effects, it still cannot be used as link material, but I don't think that's very clear as far as the text goes. Someone told me that the OCG has a special part of the text on their cards that separate conditions and make them more clear.
I love how they keep putting off the inevitable. D-Ruler isn't that complicated of a deck to play, especially in comparison to some of the decks they play in modern Yugioh.
Yeah it isn't complicated to nesscarily pilot but the mirror will easily show whos better.
It’s not a hard deck to play but because of the 2 deck format(evilswarm lul) there is a lot of depth to some of the interactions that actually make it a hard format. Similar to goat format, the fewer decks the more intricate it can be
No said the deck is complicated lol. Just that the 2 deck format just shits on every other deck thats all 🤣
Isn’t prophecy though one of the harder decks?
not complicated but it is boring
I was at the April 2013 YCS in Columbus, running around everywhere looking for Bears. I remember people talking about XYZ Reborn because of Evilswarms. They thought it would be good to chain Reborn to the activation of Mermail Abyssteus and Abyssmegalo, bringing back Evilswarm Ophion because of Ophion’s continuous effect that level 5 and higher monsters cannot be special summoned.
We called the short time before Dark Armed Dragon Edison format, I think it'd be funny if we called the short time before the dragon rulers Tesla format or something.
This is the best yugioh I've seen to date. The entire zexal era(minus dragon rulers) has been so diverse and enjoyable like man a time ruler format for this would be great
iirc this is called the Meadowlands format after an event from the time period, there was a small tournament ran for it last week , it's currently on the front page of format library
If you take drulers and propechy out march 2013 is super fun too
I'm hoping they do one more match in this format. Inzektors was a really interesting deck at this time with hornet and dragonfly at 1. It lead to a really interesting deck build and was also THE ONLY YCS WIN INZEKTORS GOT. Inzektors never won when they were at full power but ended up winning their first YCS after it was limited.
They will use up the wheel before Rulers format. So two more episodes of this format. And I acutally think this a very great and diverse format that has been overlooked. This honestly deserves a discord server.
@@pandaman1331 pretty sure this is known as Meadowlands format in Format Library. I think it already has its own server as well.
@@rhystictomato5635 Neat. I gotta look it up. Gotta show these fools how to play Constellar properly just for them to school me about it xD
Cimo and MBT making my friday lunch at work the best it can be thanks guys
Cimo, the release of Sombre vastly helps out this deck as well as jamming a bunch of floodgates in.
This deck tops later in Dragon Ruler format because Pleiades + Vanity's Emptiness/Macro Cosmos/Soul Drain is pretty much an auto-win vs Rulers/Prophecy.
+1 on this, i played the crap outta this deck and without sombre it just doesnt have the staying power much like Ophion.dek doesnt have staying power without Kerykeion.
Let's not forget that you can bounce your floodgates to make removal whiff,
The reason this list wasn’t playing Omega is because it came out in LTGY. Maybe if it and Sombre had come out alongside the rest of the deck it wouldn’t have been overshadowed by the Rulers, but I doubt it considering the deck lacked ways to compensate for the advantage lost by having to use two cards in hand to do anything relevant.
Game 3 when Cimo didn’t chain Pleiades to Mind Control I wept lol
I wept as well. And yes that was always the issue when I played constellars back then. If constellars actually generated advantage I do think it easily would have been a tier 1 at one point because you catch a glimpse of it star chart builds. There was actually a one duel I had where I out paced d rulers because I was going + 3 on each of our turns. But star chart has it's own issues and only really good in multiples with other cards and cradle kinda sucked because losing the bp did suck you needed to manage your Pleiades bounces and needed just to keep smaller stuff off the board so they can't xyz next turn or just actually do damage. I do think sombre pre LTGY would have been interesting because I think macro stelars would be the way to go, but at the same time you can realistically 1 for 1 out or smartly out trade everything but mermail and in some starts dino rabbit. At the very least it would allowed for more common overlaying m7 on a omega since it is less specific then praesepe and you are normally in a winning position if your opponent doesn't kill the m7 on their turn because you get to actually get advantage back. It was heavily underrated in march 13 format though. The deal ruler match up wasn't bad if you knew to play floodgates right, evilswarm is normally free, and the floodgates kinda beat most other playable decks if you went first or you went second and didn't get hand sniped or something. Besides spellbooks. Spellbooks was a pain because you won or lost on the coin flip usually as you won if you opened tkr or deck lock down but then the game 3 you just win because you almost always just won when you go first but you had to open drool going second in the one game 2 or 3 you went second unless they somehow opened the jowgen with no protection outside a fate because then you can possibly pollux additional normal over the jowgen but you normally only get that play game 1 because they auto assume you are rulers.
Yeah the rulers would usually eat boss set 5 decks hard
Oh that Veiler-Pollux interaction takes me back haha! I remember after the events started rolling in where arguments around that card and its Evilswarm twin Castor were raging and people found out.
Kaus is also a Beast-Warrior because it's a centaur. Not easy to see due to the angle and the fact he is rearing up.
I just built constellars for time wizard format and played it in locals, really fun deck, sombre is actually goated
0:59 THE WHEEL IS BACK!!! 2:32 So next episode Cimooo plays Inzektor's vs MBT's Mermail?
2:34 MBT's deck: Chaos Agents 6:26 Cimooooo's Deck: Constellar
11:20 Game 1 13:12 Another Rullings class in session featuring Constellar Pollux
21:33 Game 2
27:37 Game 3
And that kids is why Rai-Oh was on the semi-limited/limited list for many years.
And now it’s a joke……. Zexal-Arc v era really was intresting.
That game one perfectly demonstrated why I used Star Cradle in my Constellars. There is no single Contellar that can do anything from that position, since Sombre still had a few weeks to come out.
MBT: last time chaos decks topped.
Different Thunder Dragon versions during link era: Are we a joke to you?
Consteller is one of my old favorites, you can see what would become Starttellers(my favorite archetype) down the line and I love it. They weren’t the strongest but they were simple and I really like that about them, definitely wish they would get some more support
I have to say despite satellars later down the line being more consistent because of Deneb and Triverr being an absolute house I did massively miss the ability to go into rank 5s. Pleiades + set lance was a great opener but man volcasaurus into gaia dragon would absolutely steal games out of nowhere.
Constellar was one of the coolest decks for a whole month and that makes me sad.
What do you mean "was"?
The saddest part is that the best cards in the deck (Omega and Sombre) were released in the same set that made constellar irrelevant.
@@pandaman1331 it was cool until we knew the deck was mid and it loses to a lot of things in the game.
@@pancakes7483 Their problems were further compounded by the fact that their strongest boss monster was semi-generic. It's sad that other decks could use it more efficiently that they themselves.
@@pandaman1331 yeah... I just want the deck to get a lot of support so it can shin and challenge if not beat the annoying meta we have.
Its been a blast, Chaos. From here onwards, the order of Archetypes reigns supreme. Sure there will be the occasional HAT-esk deck of mixing archetypes that synergise together, small engines that help facilitate the main deck, even the occasional wacky combo FTK but they are only small bleeps on the radar. The wildwest era is over and now is the era of skyscrapers. It came full circle with Chaos.
Are you aware that the current meta is comprised of almost entirely entirely decks that mix a ton of archetypes together?
Yes, the order of Archetypes seems to currently be ending, with the Engine Empire conquering it
@@jacobjensen7704 a thing can be true applying to a period of time, it's a historical series
While LTGY gives us all of the Dragon Rulers, it also give us Constellar Sombre and Constellar Omega - both boons to the Constellar strategy.
While Dragon Rulers ran around, there was a budget option to play Constellar with these additions and Vanity's Emptiness.
Pleiades notably was able to bounce Blaster destruction targets to avoid losing the Emptiness.
Pleiades with Macro or d fis up was a tough moment for d rulers because you could eat up enough early advantage they would generate but then they couldn't out you with blaster. Deck lockdown is also super underrated in the main and was a great bounce back target.
@@LightshaverConstellation I neglected to mention Deck Lockdown. Good call-out. That card got pricey during that stint.
"with dragon rulers right around the corner"-the past 4-5 episodes. Geez this has been a long corner.
This is a very interesting format, made even more interesting by the sheer stubborn attempts to avoid their fates and play rulers
Constellar is my favorite deck. And god does this decklist take me back
"Truly the Sudden Infant Death Syndrome of decks" - MBT 2022
Dragon Rulers right around the corner for over a month now lul
I remember taking Constellar to nationals when the archtype came out and be the only one to play it because it was mostly Evilswarm
Constellar actually had a wicked matchup against Ophion.dek. Nothing they could do against pleiades. This is all of course after sombre came out.
I have fond memories of playing yugioh legacy of the duelist and constantly getting sacked by constellar pleadies good times...... Good times 😓
The Constellar dude in the story mode was a real wake-up call for us yugi-boomers going into the game.
38:56 No, the SIDS of yugioh is Shaddoll Invoked Dogmatika Stun.
Basically a flip flop between control of Winda stays on board, and stun if she is outed early.
Also the single Mechaba negate, and various hand traps.
The DPE is recursive destruction and a hell of a comeback top deck.
Cimo dominating History becauseJoseph is dominating Jank.
Cimo had a line in game 2 when he had tenki and a bunch of constellars in hand vs rai oh and sorc. HGe could have summoned his 3 constellars, kaus is a beast warrior so he could have crashed with rai oh while tenki was up after using his effect to buff the levels of the others.
Thought i'd share.
I was thinking the same thing. It always makes me said when the play poorly and lose but blame it on the deck being bad.
Cimo running into my struggle with Constellars back in the day. "This deck is so cool!" .... "Why does this deck actually suck so much?"
Cimoo...Constellars tops several times past this. It tops at least a couple of times in DRuler format and several times after that in the two formats that come after. You haven't gotten Sombre yet which is a big turning point of the deck.
This deck was actually like Tier 2 for a little while in some less powerful formats at the end of 2013 into 2014.
Ah yes, veiler pollux, the classic that everyone does at some point and then realize Pollux is kinda cracked
Idea for a "season 2" of history of yugioh seeing as you can't really do a season 2 like for progression. How about a series exactly like this but following the OCG? it would be very rewarding for both viewers and you and joseph yourselves getting to learn more and play through the history of the other side of the card game. I imagine most viewers know very little of the OCG and its meta throughout the years. Not sure how familiar you guys are with it. You could start from whatever point it starts to diverge from the TCG since i know they're basically the same at the start.
Only thing against it is that other people have done videos like that but if you wanted to avoid doing something thats been covered before this series wouldn't exist. I don't think the other history series have this format. And maybe as mini series you guys could do history of duel links and even master duel when that gets older.
Sangan and Witch one of the few cards that got errated before getting printed in the TCG. That would be crazy
What was the Sangan and Witch errata?? Sent to graveyard from anywhere?
@@windinthewillow1871 Sangan and Witch didn't need need to be on field to trigger when they were first printed in the OCG they can be discarded. There was a very consist Exodia with 3 pot, 3 graceful, 3 sangan and 3 witch. Back then the only hand destruction cards available during that format just morphing jar.
Its crazy how vastly different the card pools compared to the tcg when yu-gi-oh first started in the ocg. Exodia being a dominant deck there made konami print all the hand destruction cards like forceful sentry, trap dust shoot and delinquent duo
@@blenderowl6495 Oh wow that's pretty interesting
About Cimo not using the XYZReborn during a certain match. Actual game knowledge! There were no legal targets!
People in the comments always point out the misplays so I figure pointing out the opposite would be a nice change of pace.
We’re there no legal targets because their special summons were negated? I was wondering about that.
@@Gingercornbread yeah! I missed it myself and thought cimo misplayed but I looked it up and that actually the case. Nice catch by him
Right around the corner for 6 weeks
Damn boys, we are threading near History of Jank at this point
Cimo's biggest obstacle with constellars (aside of rai-oh) was probably that Trag and Gorz punish the use of Pleidas.
I've been loving this era of Yugioh on history. I made this damn agent list. Nostalgic as hell.
1st competitively built deck, so it has a special place in my heart. Went 2-2, but still enjoyed it playing it... now I'm a PendulumGudShit player.
This was a deck that my friend played back in the middle school days, and a play I remember him doing but Cimo didn't do was Pleadies bounce back the tenki to re-use him later, and him using the lv 3 way more often
Exactly. Pleiades can bounce back Call of the Haunted, Tenki or even Vanity's Emptiness for advantage. And M7 could get back your Kaus from the grave. Cimo doesn't know Constellar well enough.
Cannot overstate how hyped I am for infernity.
Love to see the wheel. Can’t wait to find an era with >5 options again. Sad how rare these formats have been in Yu-Gi-Oh!’s history.
Not sure if you're counting this era as one of those but they did have eight decks, they just chose to split them across two wheels to avoid mirrors & help them actually know how to play the decks.
Diversity doesn't always make a good format though.There can be multiple options in the meta but very few good and interactive match-ups between the decks.
I mean most of 2019 was 4 decks Thundra, Orcust, Salad, Striker making up the meta with various other more rogue strats popping up here and there like Dinos, Spyral and Prank Kids.
@@furkanekkiz7611 like right now. Where we technically have like 7 viable decks.
But they are almost all DPE Scythe and or Halq turbo.
It’s a subpar format.
We've still got the best ever format ahead of us. H.A.T. No format had ever so much diversity as this one. Besides maybe the early 2016 format.
The amount of times someone would try to veiler a Pollux or Castor back in the day still makes me laugh
Chaos Agents had some personal connection with me tbh, it's the last deck that I played competitively before I retire at the start of D. Rulers. Great performance on the deck, MBT!
History of Yu-Gi-Oh! episode wins
Cimoooooooo: 41
MBT: 39
It's so absolutely baffling to me that Joseph literally read "Unlike conditions, they are card effects, so they can potentially be negated." out loud and they still both went "well someone on the internet who had reason to push for it not being negated said it's not negated, that must be how it works!"
Its not wrong though.
The official response from Konami after YCS Meadowlands in May of 2013 where judges ruled it could be negated was that if the effects aren't negated the moment they are on the field(such as by skill drain) then the effect applies for the rest of the turn no matter what happens to the monster.
So technically if they were at the tournament in May 2013, the Veiler would have been legal and stopped the extra normal, but immediately after the tournament Konami would state it doesn't actually work that way.
It always couldn't be negated by Veiler in the OCG btw
2013 was fun because it had a bunch of win cons available for decks that couldn't hang with the best 2. There were a bunch of decks that could auto win if they drew a one of x but would have to play crazy smart to beat them straight up
"And then it stops topping... Forever"
Somebody tell Joseph he forgot about Chaos Thundra
Listens to the intro for the 3rd episode:
How many corners are there?
16:53 one of those constellars is already a lvl increased from the prior turn, so a rank 5 was impossible
Yeah and cimoo could just increase one monster level. Not an important mistake.
29:30. cimo could have just chained pleiades targeting his own tenki, making the mind con absolutely void
i gotta say, chaos does have 1 last time it comes up. in shaddoll when denko sekka came out, bls and snatch steal was insane....ill never forget as a BA player at the time
I played Constellar as a meta call for a huge $1000 cash tournament around this time. I mained triple safe zone and triple cardcar d because it helped keep the hand up because the deck got gassed in long games. I dumpstered Evilswarm all day and took first lol
Why didn't Cimo activate the XYZ Reborn? He had a Pleiades in grave the whole time after it got Raioh'd that could have bounced the Sorc.
It was not properly summoned
Oooo I was just going to be onboard with night wish til you reminded me Pleiades wasn’t properly summoned. Thank you for this. I’m eating my words during the game lol.
Dragon Link bought back and has kept Chaos going in our hearts 😂
Praesepe was one of my first 3 Xyz monsters. (Tiger King and Grenasaurus were my other 2.)
For some reason, the guy was selling Secret Rares for a dollar.
they need to make a special ep where they play the historical 2222 cards deck that create the deck size limit ruling in the game
I dont think they can do that without it being irl...wait...that would be dope!
Ahh, we finally reach the archetype known for combatting the Burning Abyss/Shadoll meta
You are mistaking Constellar for Stellarknight. They share the same lore but are different archetypes.
@@pandaman1331 no I'm referring to Constellars and specifically Tellarknight Constellar Diamond
@@KaitlynFedrick Indeed, that's a Stellarknight monster. So you are actually not talking about Constellar but Stellarknights. Different archetypes with the same lore. Look it up.
@@pandaman1331 it is also a Constellar monster. It's literally in the name
I'm aware that Tellarknights and Constellars are heavily linked in DT lore, but Tellarknight Constellar Diamond is Constellar monster and not a Satellarknight one (though it is a Tellarknight one)
You can literally look up the 2015 meta on yugioh topdecks. It's not even up for debate. It's factual that Stellarknight toped in 2015 against Shaddolls and Burning Abyss and not Cobstellar. The boss monster only has Constellar in it's name because it shares the lore about star "constellations". Look at the alternative summoning condition. It literally states that a stellarknight XYZ monster is required. It's not possible to do it with a Constellar monster. It even has Stellarknight in it's name. That should make it clear enough.
Oh god yeah playing Constellar before Sombre is giga cope, this was ROUGH. I feel like this match really showed why bombs were important in yugioh. Joseph’s deck was playing several bomb cards and Alex’s basically had none, which gave Joseph things to work towards while Constellars didn’t really have an endgame.
Constellars without sombre is a sad saaad sight to behold. Once you lose the pleiades and enter topdeck mode its game over when the deck you're against has multiple 2500+ drops they can rip as demonstrated by MBT.
Cimo should have used effect veiler on rai oh around 26:30. Could have used tiras after to kill rai oh deal 700 and use the effect to pop sorc. Then on the next turn activate call, mbt has to decree it (or die) then heavy storm, the mst is kinda gone at that point so if it's used to save the decree, cimo could xyz reborn back pleiades and attack for lethal. If mbt is more scared of what the reborn could be more than the heavy storm cimo is still only 1200 short. And with 4400 facing down an empty board, I think he could have closed it out on the next turn regardless. In any case he should have used veiler on rai oh.
Effect Veiler has a little line of text that says "During your opponents main phase"
You can't use Veiler to negate on your turn
And now, a moment of silence in honor of Chaos. You were the terror of many formats, born from the power of CED. Rest in peace, and let this last victory be a worthy send-off.
Shit ton of d link formats chaos thunder
It's dead in the tcg, though.
@@gabrielpelletier6202 Lmaoo dead my ass still competes with t1 just has a bad match up against swordsoul and shits been hit like 30 times elpy agarpain colossus baby dragons striker could name like 5 more tbh
@@thomash8513 those aren't chaos decks
@@andrejv.2834 but they are ur forcing urself to play dark and light to facilate ur combos Levi chaos ruler
3:10
“Chaos stops topping… forever”
Does dragon link not count as chaos? Thunder?
Not really, chaos decks are called that because they had bls and chaos sorc as bosses/end goals, and ced before them, decks which use chaos cards today only use them as extension and in thunder's case, because they proc thunder dragons' effects
@@andrejv.2834 did you forget about chaos ruler? Dragon link specifically plays a correct ratio of light attribute hand traps so their chaos monsters work.
Playing the deck is all about balancing your light and dark monsters as well. Playing seals(light) before you are locked into darks. Hot red requires a dark. Wyverbuster… collapserpent… chaos ruler…
@@cooldes4593 but which chaos monster in dlink is a boss they end on, bls or ced were bosses chaos decks used to be built around to get them out on the field as blowout cards, dlink uses all those guys as just extenders because they happen to be dragons
@@andrejv.2834
Technically Thunder Dragons IS Chaos. At minimum it was always intended to be a successor to the deck. And works as a modern take on it. Only falling out of play due to it's core cards getting banned/limited.
Much like how Dragon Link was technically a successor of Chaos Dragons.
@@andrejv.2834 i have to disagree. Levianeer and chaos ruler are boss monsters that the deck clearly plays. It plays the chaos pieces like seyfert, wyverbuster, and collapserpent, and it also plays chaos boss monsters as well.
Man I miss playing chaos agents easily in my top three favorite decks I ever played and it was the first deck to get me a national invite
27:17 Couldn’t Cimoooo use Xyz Reborn there? He had turns upon turns to use it, so why didn’t he?
Edit: I just remembered that since their summons were negated, they cannot be summoned from the graveyard.
Synchro infernity is so awesome I love it
Nobody gonna mention XYZ reborn was live for multiple turns to which MBT had no out for, even on the scoop when MST was chained to call of the haunted, XYZ reborn target was still a larger attacker than MBT currently controlled
TKR negates the special summon of a monster. If the summon is negated, then it's not properly summoned.
Please can we have dragon rulers now
No more wind up rabbit, no more hornet pops, no more mermail (for a bit) lets roll! Onward and upward!
28:45 why not chain pleaides to bounce itself or the tenki in response to mind control
7:50 Constellar Pollux is not a condition, it is an unclassified effect.
I feel like Game One Cimo should have bounced his own monster rather than Gorz, with the anticipation that he was going to Torrential. The worst MBT can do from that position without committing more to the board is put Cimo on a 2 turn clock. Which still leaves Cimo more time to build resources and maybe find some outs.
This really takes me back to when I played in this time and game 2 I saw the thunder king and instantly had pain because it was painful dealing with it in constellars and considering the spot Cimo was in, he should have really not made pleiades but made a weaker xyz to force the tkr negate. Losing the fiendish chain honestly just sucked because it forced the tkr getting 2 for 1 instead of getting the tenki for bear next turn.
Pain I just saw the second Tkr and knew where this was going. Tkr was really just that much of a demon in the match up unless you played the br to 1 for 1 it and actually drew it. It's also why constellars would probably be better in the latter formats but at the same time part of it is this build. It really should have really been play tkr itself because even though you can't search under it, your opponent has to deal with or lose and it's arguably the best ns in the game then along with being light. And this build plays significant backrow which is even better for thunder king. More then anything this build in particularly for this time needed some more work imo even though I do see there's a lot right here.
cimoment, when cimo makes pleiades with a lv5 and lv6 (kaus effect isn't until the end of the turn, it's a permanent increase for some reason)
heart of the cards carried me my entire 2008-2013 Yu-Gi-Oh career
Please do your top 5 meta decks for the month series again
Bounce gorz and make m7 was 100% the play. Mbt's lp was low enough any direct attack would kill him, gorz would just brick his hand, and prevents the token crash.
i don't comment often. As an all time die hard all time favorite deck Constellar. RIP.
MBT really said just draw better. Simply top deck Venus and every crazy card in the deck
tbh im ready for dragon rulers at this point, just because the longer it takes to get to them, the longer we have to wait to then get out of them. might as well rip the bandaid off at this rate.
Something interesting with Constellars. Creature Swap sometimes saw use in builds with more copies of Sheratan. Swapping a copy to your opponent while setting up a hand for a big follow up next turn was brutal. Defensive buildscould even get you into positions where you reasonable go T1 Sheratan search Sheratan set 4 -> T2 Sheratan OL 3 COL M7. A disgusting control line for slower control mirrors. Really wish this deck got Sombre before LotTG.
Would have been amazing. I loved constellars to death and did well with them in 2013-2015 but I skipping this whole tcg format to play ocg because no sombre and omega and that would have been massive here. The only real awful match up was mermail or rabbit but the side deck does much work vs mermail and rabbit was doable if you don't open bad/depends on your main deck and who goes first.
Just wanna say, when MBT says “Chaos is dead”…someone forgot chaos BA…and Thunder Chaos, and just Dragon link as a whole
Dragon Link, Thunder and BA all used Chaos as an extender rather than a win condition
@@brandonreeds9587 I disagree on that. BA maybe, but that was a game ended rather then extended. But Thunder dragon chaos was the name and used an extensive Chaos engine, things like BLS, the baby chaos dragons, Levi, and the Thunder dragon level 8 monster, were bombs as well as extenders. Dragon link today is more chaos than anything else and the point of the deck is too play light/dark monsters to facility chaos typings. Also, let’s not forgot that the chaos deck MBT played literally played 2 chaos monsters (Sorc and BLS), while these decks have double or triple that
26:48 why he doesn't use Xyz reborn?
I yelled the second game because Cimo seems to have forgotten one important trap...
Assuming your talking about XYZ reborn this is more Cimo knowing how negating summons works when it comes to reborn effects
@@Dylan-vs6sf I mean the situation 26:29 in which he had XYZ Reborn set right after the Rai-Oh negation in Cimos MP1. He could have continued with the XYZ Reborn. Or could have chained it to the MST later in the game.
@@Smitecrawler Yeah that would have been an illegal play. If the summon gets negated it wasn't properly special summoned and thus is not a valid target
I vote you bring back the auction series
Ok first off. Why no cyber dragon? Easy bait for trap holes and it can get over T king before you xyz summon. Plus with him and kaus thats a rank 5. But the addition on sombre and omega really made the deck pop.
Off all mistake in this game that the comment think is important it the kaius is one level higher lol.
At 20:56 why didn't cimo add a card of sheratan?
Rai-Oh has an effect that says players can't add cards to their hand except by drawing
Hmm, reminds me of when oppoents fussed about those monsters being able to normal summon another monster after pot of duality on dueling book in the past.
14:15 If Pollux is actually an unclassified effect, it can be negated. It's not a condition. So Veiler should work unless the rules have changed. Maybe the guy that topped with it accidentally cheated? Lol.
It can be negated as long as it is negated from the moment it is on the field. IE: A face up skill drain already on the field.
However the effect does not cause a chain and lasts till the end of turn even if the card is later negated thus effect veiler does nothing.
We can confirm 100% this is how it works, because Konami flat out said so after a YCS had judges ruling the opposite
@@Dylan-vs6sf Ah you're right. I didn't realize it said "during the turn this card is normal summoned"
still petitioning for this format to be called "unruley format"
As much as I still love chaos it always plays second fiddle to a different strategy.
I know that feeling of "winning until you're losing" from Game 1 all too well. Not surprised people like going for OTKs and negate security blankets with how frustrating it can be to get trampled after having the life point lead up until the final turn(which is sometimes as soon as 1 turn after a big push). Overextending has always been terrible in this game though, board wipes have been a thing since its inception. That's probably why I prefer controlling boards based on stealing momentum(and monsters) rather than flipping floodgates, as backrow isn't safe from nuking either(this is a game where Harpie's Feather Duster was conceived before Mystical Space Typhoon after all).