I love Ryan's No BS, straight to the point. vids. Love my Performabuilt trans. Was behind a built 383 LTx, now it's getting ready for more abuse from a built LS2. I've had it since 2002 and no complaints. Only thing to ever fail was the converter that my tuner broke on the dyno. I may just send it to Ryan to have it inspected and possibly updated with all his new stuff.
I'm only stopping after the 4L70 because im tired and have to work tomorrow early. But I'll watch the rest tomorrow. Great info dude, thanks for taking the time to film and edit. This answers a shot load of questions I have about the 4L series.
Let me just say thank you so much for this ive been rebuilding my 4l60e or so i thought its actually a 4l70e , unfortunately for me i got a replacement case and its the 4l60 and wont accept the compression seal. This video just saved me from a big headache down the road
@@PerformaBuiltTransmissions Been there done that but I have been confused a bit as to which parts are used in the different vintages of 4l60e like harnesses and valve body components. I have C5 Vettes and a cherry 2010 GMC canyon with the 5.3 v8 option and low rider handling kit so they all have different 4l60 requirements. Thank Again.
Valve body and harness setup for the c5 from 1997 to 2004 will be the same and you can use any valve body and harness out of any 4l60e or 65e from 1997 to 2006. The gmc canyon has a unique core and is set up in the style of 2009-2013 model valve body and harness. The only time the 4l60e got super weird is the three standalone years i.e 1993, 1994, and 1995.
One question my friend what's the difference between a 2002 4l60e and a 2004 4l60e ? I'm asking because there's some rebuild kits that say 04 and up Thanks
Thanks for the honest information brother. I have a 07 Chevy Silverado Crew Cab 4.8L 2wd and i needed to know the right stock remanufactured transmission replacement to go back into it. Which of these transmissions you talked about should i get to put back in it? If it was your truck? Which stock trans would you put in it?
in an AWD truck, like a 2003 Silverado SS, can a 4l70 be used? do you make adapters for the AWD transfer case? I know the 4L80's need new drive shafts, a new adapter to connect to the Tcase, and a wiring harness adapter.
My 4L60e in my ‘02 Sierra has crapped the bed, and a friend has given me a great condition 4L70e (case code 6KMD) to swap in. I’m assuming I can just do a direct swap using my current harness and ignore that additional speed sensor…?
I have a 4L60E and a Terminator X Max and added a pressure sensor. Are the standard pressure setting ok or do you have a base recommended starting point? To find someone with knowledge and the Holley is hard to find.
Hate your delivery but love your facts and knowledge. I have run a cammed 5.3 LS with a 4L60 in an S10 up to roughly 475hp with great success. My current ride, A '68 C10 has a similar engine with a hotter cam and long tubes and I opted for the 4L80 because of the weight of the truck, larger tunnel and available space. Both trucks are very reliable and in a cruiser IMHO the 4L60 works just great, want to step it up ? 5 pinion planets and all the aftermarket goodies are out there for the 60 so have at it but the 80 handles the power and doesn't cost you an arm and a leg.
In the inner talks of the industry, the 80 isnt going to be cheaper much longer. Cores are getting destroyed and harder to get, the drums cant turn near as much rpm and are costly for aluminum ones. Reid just increased their prices immensely a few days ago. The 80 is about to cost more than the 60 by alot.
I have about 800hp going through a highly modified 4L70E... in a Saab 9-7X Aero. I'm seeing a little more metal flake than I like in the fluid but have done 0-60 in 3.37 w/ 1 ft rollout. 3.69 w/o.
Might need to check your converter spacing as in its too tight past 1/8 or more likely your flexplate is wearing out and chewing up the pump backing. Not alot sheds metal flake in these transmissions except that.
@@PerformaBuiltTransmissions did that recently & was correct per Yank instructions. Thanks 4 reply! I will see when I open it up if it gets worse or stops working I guess. I just figured heavy vehicle + power = clutch wear? By "shavings" meant glitter btw...
Well, if you don't wear panties they can't get in a bunch. Love the vids Ryan. Keep doing what you do. People will always find a reason to be offended by the truth. Good night! What's this world coming to?!
So are all with the speed sensor a 70 because i rebuild a trans for a friend for an like 08 silverado and it did but i was under the impression it was a 60 and i think the kit i got used the power pack with thinner steels and clutches so there was already a lot more in the 3-4 clutch pack but im pretty sure it had 4 pin planetarys
Not all 70s came with 5 pinions, only the trailblazer ss 4l70 from 2006 to 2008 did. All other 4l70s did not have 5 Pinions. If it was 08 its a 70 nomatter what vehicle.
Its because they are the same in general. No difference that matters in function except the 70 iss if your vehicle requires it and is not on a standalone.
I have a 2004 gmc yukon 5.3L vin code z with a 4L60e thats got a failing pwm torque converter. Can i swap it out for a 4L65e or 4L70e with no modifications or problems? Will the computer system be ok with the newer trans? Any info is greatly Appreciated disabled dad in need if help.
@@PerformaBuiltTransmissions thank you so much for your response!! 2nd question..will running John Deere Hygard low viscosity tighten up the torque converter and buy me some time? lot of old timers recommend this but don't know the veracity if such a claim
Casting is slightly thicker around the starter and dustcover area. Was meant for 4x4 trucks mostly and gm cut the ears off of each side for Fbodies because the cut would weaken the non K case around the cut area.
Gosh DAMN IT! i just routed all my harnesses for my Terminator X max yesterday!! Is this 13 pin connector absolutely necessary? Only thing i see in the instructions from Holley is pre-2009 4L60-65e W/1.75 second gear ratio or W/1.63 second gear ratio
Holley x max usually requires a 15 pin not a 13. They list it broadly from 1996 to 2008 but left out the part that 2007 and 2008 are totally different from 1996 to 2005 / some 2006s. Consult your controller and harness you posess for a pin count. 13 is 60e and 15 is 70e
Ive tried both. Short videos it seems in automotive esp on this channel tend to do better. I think its not so much length people are after but i feel they just want a direct answer to their issue and dont care about anything otherwise.
Dude I’ve got a 87 blazer with a vortec 350 fully freed motor and 700r4 and man I love it but hill climbs I just lose so much speed momentum power idk but she drops the trans is healthy so idk where to go more tq n hp or better trans?!
Might be might not be. For the sake of video time and todays attention spans i did not cover every little vehicle. Some 06 models did have 70s like the trailblazer ss but its is extremely extremely rare. Youll just have to start running numbers your vin and rpo codes.
2008 silverado needs a 4l70E because of the electronics. You cant use a 4L60E. I would sell you our level 2 as well, you can veiw it and order at www.performabuilt.com
An ISS does not make it a 4L70E. There are 4L60E RPO M30 with an ISS, these had 4 pinion planetaries and controlled by a TCM. I believe when GM went from PCMs that controlled both the engine and trans to separate ECM and TCM that the TCM required an ISS, so to keep using the 4L60E it had to be upgraded to have an ISS. The 4L65E RPO M32 has 5 pinion planetaries, 7 clutches in the 3-4 pack, stronger input shaft, and a stronger forward sprag. The 4L70E RPO M70 has the same upgrades as a 4L65 plus a stronger output shaft. A 4L70E RPO M70 was only found in the TrailBlazer SS, 2006 GMT800 with LQ9 engine, and 2007 and 2008 GMT900 with L76 engine.
99 percent of this was mentioned in the video minus codes... most people watching this dont want to get that into it and want it put simply. Simply is, The biggest difference between the 70 and the rest being basically a iss sensor is the key and major difference that came about in 2006 and primarily in 2007 and 2008 various model codes. Transmission slang is 2007 and 08 were pretty much in fact dubbed the 4l70e unofficially by nearly everyone in and out of the industry. Said 2006 trailblazer was mentioned in being the true 70 as well. You can also change most pcms or tcm iss input selection from fitted to not fitted as it was not an essential peice at all. Great info thats more detailed than i was tho.
BTW, Ryan, I emailed you a while back about doing a vid on standalone controllers. I've had 3 guy, recently, ask me. I just told them to call you. I can't recommend something good that I don't know about.
Sorry, Working on it. And its been on my list. A video like that takes alot of time to put together and its getting peiced together but it will be awhile before all the screen captures are edited in. Im having staffing issues and a high demand lately so ive had to put alot of these kinds of things for youtube on the back burner for now. Quick videos like this dont require alot of work.
@PerformaBuilt Transmissions Not true. Truck has a 4l70e. Even the brochure they gave me says it when I bought the truck brand new. It is a Vortecmax with a LQ9. Reason is because it does not have a T42 TCM. ECU still controlled the trans. No point of installing a sensor.
I am extremely condecending. I dont do feelings, just information. Im sick of people whining about every little thing tbh. If you had to deal with what i do everyday for the past decade + ... youd be pretty numb and fed up too
I love Ryan's No BS, straight to the point. vids. Love my Performabuilt trans. Was behind a built 383 LTx, now it's getting ready for more abuse from a built LS2. I've had it since 2002 and no complaints. Only thing to ever fail was the converter that my tuner broke on the dyno. I may just send it to Ryan to have it inspected and possibly updated with all his new stuff.
Very nice job Ryan. One of the most no nonsense, easy to understand transmission videos on YT. Thank you !!
I'm only stopping after the 4L70 because im tired and have to work tomorrow early. But I'll watch the rest tomorrow. Great info dude, thanks for taking the time to film and edit. This answers a shot load of questions I have about the 4L series.
Love the way you break it down for the guys that just have money to spend and don't know shit about anything else.
Thats 95% of the car community sadly. And stubborn boomers.
Thanks for the video, very informative. I was considering a 4l70 for a mostly daily but now reconsidering to a 4l65.
Always a informative video . Thanks for you time putting these out.
Your welcome!!
Let me just say thank you so much for this ive been rebuilding my 4l60e or so i thought its actually a 4l70e , unfortunately for me i got a replacement case and its the 4l60 and wont accept the compression seal. This video just saved me from a big headache down the road
I’m glad I watched your video. I have a 4L65e that needs rebuilt. I was going to get a 70e but now I’ll spend that $$ and upgrade the 65.
Thanks kid, I have been wondering how to order the right parts for my 4l60e rebuild.
Very helpful.
Check out some of my older build videos for performance parts suggestions if you havent already
@@PerformaBuiltTransmissions Been there done that but I have been confused a bit as to which parts are used in the different vintages of 4l60e like harnesses and valve body components. I have C5 Vettes and a cherry 2010 GMC canyon with the 5.3 v8 option and low rider handling kit so they all have different 4l60 requirements. Thank Again.
Valve body and harness setup for the c5 from 1997 to 2004 will be the same and you can use any valve body and harness out of any 4l60e or 65e from 1997 to 2006. The gmc canyon has a unique core and is set up in the style of 2009-2013 model valve body and harness. The only time the 4l60e got super weird is the three standalone years i.e 1993, 1994, and 1995.
@@PerformaBuiltTransmissions Appreciated Ryan, Thanks.
Excellent Video! I have ADDDDDDD and watched the whole video. I'm lying, I listened to the video while I read the comments. LOL
Is a 03 4l60 interchangeable with a 03 4l65? Current 4l60 shredded reverse have an option to pick up a 4l65 is it plug and play?
yes interchangeable
Hi, I have a Trailblazer SS and its 4L70e transmission is broken. Can I put a 4L60e or 4L65e transmission? Will there be a difference in acceleration?
One question my friend what's the difference between a 2002 4l60e and a 2004 4l60e ? I'm asking because there's some rebuild kits that say 04 and up
Thanks
No difference in 4l60s from 1998 to 2005.
@PerformaBuiltTransmissions thanks I appreciate it
Thanks for the honest information brother. I have a 07 Chevy Silverado Crew Cab 4.8L 2wd and i needed to know the right stock remanufactured transmission replacement to go back into it. Which of these transmissions you talked about should i get to put back in it? If it was your truck? Which stock trans would you put in it?
You actually might have a rare exception because most of those came with 4L60Es not 4L70Es.
in an AWD truck, like a 2003 Silverado SS, can a 4l70 be used? do you make adapters for the AWD transfer case? I know the 4L80's need new drive shafts, a new adapter to connect to the Tcase, and a wiring harness adapter.
Why do you want a 70 in a 2003?
With stock motor with the same power can I go faster if I just change 4065e to a 70e or 80e with the same horsepower.
Ratio reasearch and stall speed reasearch are what you want to explore
My 4L60e in my ‘02 Sierra has crapped the bed, and a friend has given me a great condition 4L70e (case code 6KMD) to swap in. I’m assuming I can just do a direct swap using my current harness and ignore that additional speed sensor…?
Will work just fine. Pcm wont see the sensor
Can a 60 be used where a 70 once resided? What type of codes would it have and can hptuners tune out the fault code?
It can but you will have to go into the pcm and change the iss function from fitted to not fitted. This wont work with all pcms but most of them.
I have a 4L60E and a Terminator X Max and added a pressure sensor.
Are the standard pressure setting ok or do you have a base recommended starting point?
To find someone with knowledge and the Holley is hard to find.
Depends on your trans builders build. We require a stock line pressure setting for ours.
Hate your delivery but love your facts and knowledge. I have run a cammed 5.3 LS with a 4L60 in an S10 up to roughly 475hp with great success. My current ride, A '68 C10 has a similar engine with a hotter cam and long tubes and I opted for the 4L80 because of the weight of the truck, larger tunnel and available space. Both trucks are very reliable and in a cruiser IMHO the 4L60 works just great, want to step it up ? 5 pinion planets and all the aftermarket goodies are out there for the 60 so have at it but the 80 handles the power and doesn't cost you an arm and a leg.
In the inner talks of the industry, the 80 isnt going to be cheaper much longer. Cores are getting destroyed and harder to get, the drums cant turn near as much rpm and are costly for aluminum ones. Reid just increased their prices immensely a few days ago. The 80 is about to cost more than the 60 by alot.
I have about 800hp going through a highly modified 4L70E... in a Saab 9-7X Aero. I'm seeing a little more metal flake than I like in the fluid but have done 0-60 in 3.37 w/ 1 ft rollout. 3.69 w/o.
My 4L70E has 5 pinion planet, 800hp Saab 9-7x Aero. (TBSS)
Might need to check your converter spacing as in its too tight past 1/8 or more likely your flexplate is wearing out and chewing up the pump backing. Not alot sheds metal flake in these transmissions except that.
@@PerformaBuiltTransmissions did that recently & was correct per Yank instructions. Thanks 4 reply! I will see when I open it up if it gets worse or stops working I guess. I just figured heavy vehicle + power = clutch wear? By "shavings" meant glitter btw...
Well, if you don't wear panties they can't get in a bunch. Love the vids Ryan. Keep doing what you do. People will always find a reason to be offended by the truth.
Good night! What's this world coming to?!
So are all with the speed sensor a 70 because i rebuild a trans for a friend for an like 08 silverado and it did but i was under the impression it was a 60 and i think the kit i got used the power pack with thinner steels and clutches so there was already a lot more in the 3-4 clutch pack but im pretty sure it had 4 pin planetarys
Not all 70s came with 5 pinions, only the trailblazer ss 4l70 from 2006 to 2008 did. All other 4l70s did not have 5 Pinions. If it was 08 its a 70 nomatter what vehicle.
Great information thanks
would a aftermarket transmissions from you guys need to be programmed if i were to swap out my stock one? or is it simply plug and play?
They all need tuned accurately. No plug n play. Im very strict on that subject.
I like the long videos I mix a drink and sit back 🙂
I have a tbss with lsa with piston rod and stage one cam stocks transmission went out, so I don’t know what transmission should I get?
To spec out a build you must call us at 888-744-6542
I work part time at Orielly’s Auto Parts. The 4L60, 4L65, and 4L70 are priced the same. Trying to figure out which one to get.
Its because they are the same in general. No difference that matters in function except the 70 iss if your vehicle requires it and is not on a standalone.
I have a 2004 gmc yukon 5.3L vin code z with a 4L60e thats got a failing pwm torque converter. Can i swap it out for a 4L65e or 4L70e with no modifications or problems? Will the computer system be ok with the newer trans? Any info is greatly Appreciated disabled dad in need if help.
Yes, You can swap it out for a 4l65 or 70 and there will be 0 issues with the computer.
@@PerformaBuiltTransmissions thank you so much for your response!! 2nd question..will running John Deere Hygard low viscosity tighten up the torque converter and buy me some time? lot of old timers recommend this but don't know the veracity if such a claim
I have lots of people that use hyguard no issue.
Guys a beast!...😎👊🏻
I have a 2007 4L60E can I use it in a 99-06 application
Ys you can
Hey man, whats the real difference on the 1 Piece K housing and the non K housing on Fbody cars?
Casting is slightly thicker around the starter and dustcover area. Was meant for 4x4 trucks mostly and gm cut the ears off of each side for Fbodies because the cut would weaken the non K case around the cut area.
Gosh DAMN IT! i just routed all my harnesses for my Terminator X max yesterday!! Is this 13 pin connector absolutely necessary? Only thing i see in the instructions from Holley is pre-2009 4L60-65e W/1.75 second gear ratio or W/1.63 second gear ratio
Holley x max usually requires a 15 pin not a 13. They list it broadly from 1996 to 2008 but left out the part that 2007 and 2008 are totally different from 1996 to 2005 / some 2006s. Consult your controller and harness you posess for a pin count. 13 is 60e and 15 is 70e
In late 2024 people are wanting longer videos. It seems more people are watching TH-cam on televisions.
Ive tried both. Short videos it seems in automotive esp on this channel tend to do better. I think its not so much length people are after but i feel they just want a direct answer to their issue and dont care about anything otherwise.
Dude I’ve got a 87 blazer with a vortec 350 fully freed motor and 700r4 and man I love it but hill climbs I just lose so much speed momentum power idk but she drops the trans is healthy so idk where to go more tq n hp or better trans?!
Stall speed, and rear gearing adjustment. Many videos available on the math to acheive what your trying to do.
My 2006 Sierra Vortec Max code claims to be a 4L70. Thanks for any information
Might be might not be. For the sake of video time and todays attention spans i did not cover every little vehicle. Some 06 models did have 70s like the trailblazer ss but its is extremely extremely rare. Youll just have to start running numbers your vin and rpo codes.
my 06 4l60e has a wedge pump seal.
Some 05-06 4l60s did.
Is the 60e just as strong as the 75e other than the pinions.
Depends how you build it. Making hard parts strong and last through function starts with the basic fundamentals of hydraulics.
I'm in the market looking for 4L60e that can handle up to 500hp for my 2008 silverado. Monster trying to sell me stage 2 4L70e.
2008 silverado needs a 4l70E because of the electronics. You cant use a 4L60E. I would sell you our level 2 as well, you can veiw it and order at www.performabuilt.com
An ISS does not make it a 4L70E. There are 4L60E RPO M30 with an ISS, these had 4 pinion planetaries and controlled by a TCM. I believe when GM went from PCMs that controlled both the engine and trans to separate ECM and TCM that the TCM required an ISS, so to keep using the 4L60E it had to be upgraded to have an ISS. The 4L65E RPO M32 has 5 pinion planetaries, 7 clutches in the 3-4 pack, stronger input shaft, and a stronger forward sprag. The 4L70E RPO M70 has the same upgrades as a 4L65 plus a stronger output shaft. A 4L70E RPO M70 was only found in the TrailBlazer SS, 2006 GMT800 with LQ9 engine, and 2007 and 2008 GMT900 with L76 engine.
99 percent of this was mentioned in the video minus codes... most people watching this dont want to get that into it and want it put simply. Simply is, The biggest difference between the 70 and the rest being basically a iss sensor is the key and major difference that came about in 2006 and primarily in 2007 and 2008 various model codes. Transmission slang is 2007 and 08 were pretty much in fact dubbed the 4l70e unofficially by nearly everyone in and out of the industry. Said 2006 trailblazer was mentioned in being the true 70 as well. You can also change most pcms or tcm iss input selection from fitted to not fitted as it was not an essential peice at all. Great info thats more detailed than i was tho.
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But 70 is more than 60 or 65
BTW, Ryan, I emailed you a while back about doing a vid on standalone controllers. I've had 3 guy, recently, ask me. I just told them to call you. I can't recommend something good that I don't know about.
Sorry, Working on it. And its been on my list. A video like that takes alot of time to put together and its getting peiced together but it will be awhile before all the screen captures are edited in. Im having staffing issues and a high demand lately so ive had to put alot of these kinds of things for youtube on the back burner for now. Quick videos like this dont require alot of work.
US Quick Shift is awesome. I have one running my Heavy Hauler.. TCI's EZ TCU sucked.
Thumbs up right off the bat for doggin on the smooth brain dudes that can't stand to sit still and pay attention long enough. LMAO
Its sad too many people want a racecar but shouldnt have one
Know for years the 60e just needed better internals.
My 06 Sierra has a 4l70e.
Yes. Quote "Some 2006s namely the trailblazer ss" please rewatch
What I am getting at is that those are the oddball years, because mine does not have a ISS. It has a 13 pin green plug. But has M70 RPO code.
@@sierravmax Then its not a 4L70E. a 13 pin non iss 70 does not exist. If it has that code, it has to have ISS.
@PerformaBuilt Transmissions Not true. Truck has a 4l70e. Even the brochure they gave me says it when I bought the truck brand new. It is a Vortecmax with a LQ9. Reason is because it does not have a T42 TCM. ECU still controlled the trans. No point of installing a sensor.
@@sierravmax we can agree to disagree. you may have a rare case but overall its not truely correct, no iss means its just a glorified 4l65E
Really good info but you come off extremely condescending
I am extremely condecending. I dont do feelings, just information. Im sick of people whining about every little thing tbh. If you had to deal with what i do everyday for the past decade + ... youd be pretty numb and fed up too
Well he's building your transmission, not trying to marry you. Ryan looks like a "No Filter Included" guy I'd drink a beer with.
I think it's just a general public idea of the customer is always right, when you're not, he's not mincing his words and that's about it.
You better harden up. This world isn't a kind place for soft people.
Nothing wrong with being stern and short.