I bet people would really enjoy it as well if it had a good logistics mechanic involved. And I agree if Planetside had anything close to the logistics that Foxhole had I probably would have never left Planetside.
Honestly I would love this. But its surely difficult? I mean if you want to make it like foxhole just FPS then you still gotta make it so that you don't have unlimited field of view probably as u do know already. Seems like hard to do idk lol. But it would still be fun doing all this in FPS. Building scrapping or digging trenches. Or even driving as logi
@@JustNick23 That's somewhat easy to work around. Just make sure that there is an actual fog around the player at the maximum draw distance the devs allow and have it so binoculars or stuff like NVG are the only things that can bypass it. Also, with proper terrain building, it wouldn't be this much of a problem anyway, as there would be natural barriers for the player's view.
The thing that I find most impressive is that the models and textures actually work quite well at this range and view. Even with things like the empty skybox and mostly flattened landscape, everything still looks pretty good. Shows you how much care the art team put into making everything.
It's not to bad honestly. And agreed there are a lot of little details that we miss out on looking from the top down perspective. Thanks for pointing this out!
Somehow I didn't have a problem with the flat landscape. It felt like Flanders or Northern France- which were battle zones in both world wars, so it fits the vibe!
What I'm curious. since first person mode is available for VR the transition to full 1st person mode shouldn't be too difficult to implement and 3rd person could still be available too. honestly if it was usable for an average player, I think that could create extensive boost to player population as the new best world at war game. I think devs should really check it out
I believe a community of "War photographers" who get "imbedded" in professional foxhole groups and records the battles from the front, in first person, using normal game allies to lean on, would be amazing
I actually was able to start taking press photos in the first person two or 3 years ago when I was doing photos with them. I won’t claim anything but I believe I was the first of us to be able to do it consistently It was a hard system that was a hit or miss, but there was nothing like it at the time, this was an immediate click even though I haven’t played since then
There is absolutely a minor advantage in that line of sight is trivial to judge -- in typical Foxhole gameplay, a common source of confusion and death is not knowing that some enemy was able to shoot you because you thought some interceding object was tall enough to block their line of sight when it was not. Given that the mod trades this rather minor ability for the absolutely colossal drawback of not being able to see anything that isn't in your character's line of sight, I wouldn't call it too much of a competitive advantage unless people found a way to trigger this perspective on and off freely while remaining in comfortable desktop controls all the while, which doesn't look to be possible with UEVR alone.
Yeah once you launch UEVR into the game, only way to stop it closes the game. You can get the top down view with it but swapping between that and first person isn’t fast, and at that point you’re just playing foxhole with extra motion sickness
i wonder if it makes shooting between trenches any easier. say theres 2 people across from each other standing. usually it goes back and forth for longer than it should, but if one person can see just the head and none of the body, wouldnt he have an easier time?
From what I saw in the video, your own shooting angle becomes much harder to judge though. I feel like a dedicated scout could benefit from these settings, but that is about it.
Ever since I saw a clip on reddit, it has been my dream too. Even tho I cant really try it, since I dont have a VR set, I would love to see an option to play on first person.
@@RobertLovesGames Isn't that the point of the trenches and top down perspective though? In most other games, trenches aren't all that important because it's super easy to just tap them in the head (Whereas in real war it's a lot more difficult) - The fact that you're hard to hit in a trench is the whole point, if people could just aim right at you the entire fortification system would be much less useful and engagement distance would increase massively while density decreased massively. As an example, try playing a static cover-based playstyle in battlefield and watch how long it takes before some dude just snipes you
@@Marcos-eg9lt you don't need a team for a trench to do its job, there's a reason that foxholes(basically trenches for one or two people) are so prevalent IRL. It's very hard to shoot someone when they're only barely peeking out of a trench unless you're a sniper, see WW1 for reference
in addition, the fact that shooting isn't effective vs trenches makes grenades and chemical weapons super useful for the exact job they were invented for- clearing out people from a dug-in or fortified position
Last I heard the devs were completely against it, as it sets itself apart from other FPS games. Just be happy with what it is, or move on... I sense bans possibly incoming for using this (it *has* set of anti-cheats in other games)
@@Munky332 Yeah this is some cheating bull, being able to look down the map in that degree is a clear advantage the narrator is purposefully overlooking.
This is absolutely flippin awesome. If the devs actually added a FPV to the game the player base would definitly go ecstatic, we'd have much more people doing frontline stuff, and for some reason I feel like we'd have more content creators on foxhole.
Disabled gamer here. I think your video was great. No way in heck I could play vr but it looks wild. There are tons of mil Sim fps games but only one Foxhole. Initially, I got into Foxhole after my injury because I could no longer compete in fps games. Big morale hit then boom, Foxhole released! I love that strategy, tactics, and communication win battles over sick 360° flick shots I do think VR enhances certain aspects that you highlighted, but I hope there is never a large advantage given to vr players. Great vid, dude
Just imagine running through a trench at night in the rain. Tanks driving over head. Shells landing all around. Bullets flying over head. People screaming bloody murder. And of course knowing that everything being done involves a real life person and serves a purpose. My body is ready..
Check out Squad, Squad 44, or HLL. They have everything you just described, but in FPP, and were made as FPS games, so they actually work as FPS games lol
This is amazing, I hope Devs do some kind of implementation for this and allow players to switch between which perspective they want to fight on. I think we would all agree that the top down view gets kinda boring after some time. This would give more life and a brand new way to play the game
It would be cool but I wouldn't hold your breathe for the devs to work on anything first person related with Foxhole any time soon :D But it would be really cool if they did!
On top down vs first person: I came to Foxhole after Helldivers (original), and I grew up playing the original CoD, so to me top down feels much more tactical and first person way more twitchy.
I have similar thoughts! I grew up playing a lot of FPS games like Halo and Call of Duty. Even though I like FPS games I don't think I would ever play Foxhole if it was FPS unless it was really polished. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
For making youtube content this is dream come true, it can give deeper, immersive and an amazing background to storytelling of Foxhole warfare, great video Rob, thank you for covering it !
same at least non scifi wise because otherwise planetside 2 was good for it till they decided to shoot themselves in the foot and lose basically the entirety of their remaining playerbase
@@polishbot horrible balancing updates is the major one I remember but I know there's been a few others that happened before and after I quit over a year ago. and I stopped really paying attention then since there was only 1000-2000 active players when I quit I wanna say there was a monetization change that was very poorly received, but I could be thinking of another game, since that's happening a lot lately
It certainly adds a more cinematic feeling to everything and for logistics at least driving and walking around in big facilities would be something great. And i wannna POV a train
the only advantage I could think of is simply being able to see players at a farther distance. from the top-down view, your sight is limited to what the screen can fit, but in first person there is really no limit to how far you can see so it gives you an edge at maneuvering around players who can't see you yet.
But you can't do that which I explain in my new 3rd person video. You can see better in that video that things don't render for you until you are within a certain distance.
Awesome video! Seeing the world from first-person in this video really gives a whole new perspective, I have to imagine actually in VR it's even more amazing
First person/top down toggle would be a, no pun intended, game changer. That is with some adjustments to make it work. Top down for officers (to keep the strategy) and backline, and first person for the grunts on the front? I think there's potential as an option. As an aside I definitely started hearing the Battlefield 1942 theme in my head, especially during the naval portions.
I would like this to be implemented to the base game in 3rd person view. It would be super cool and certanly will be cool enough to buy and play the game instead of PUBG. This is the update foxhole need right now.
I actually had some footage of a third person view. I should have added it. It would for sure feel more like old style PUBG or Fornite. I don't know if I would like that view point though :D unless they made the skybox look better. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Since the game looks so great in first person, I could totally see the devs taking the assets and making a stand alone fps game set in the foxhole world.
I was a press photographer some years ago that was the first to find a system of taking first person photos for articles and things. It was tedious and not perfect at all, so to see this made my heart warm even though I haven’t played since then.
Really glad to see it. I’ll have to make a new tutorial for the first person settings since we did find another minor improvement (gas mask mesh makes your view rise and sink a little bit as your character’s head does)
This has amazing potential for vr only, with more disadvantages to using first person than the top down view, it would allow foxhole to keep its main visuals but would add so much for content creators or casual players. Imagine piloting aircraft, or driving trucks, imagine experiencing drowned vale in vr first person.
I would have to disagree having played similar FPS games like Hell Let Loose. Being down on the ground, right in the middle of the action while all around you chaos unfolds. Not being able to tell if your buddy has been hit while you charge straight into enemy fire. Watching the towering metal war machines fire rounds into the trenchlines. It's a different feeling of big. Seeing everything unfold is nice but I prefer the unknown and listening to the war stories after the fact.
Ngl places in the foggy weather look great even without the skybox. 0:59 that really does give off some somewhat abandoned factory vibes. Does make me wonder what another game set in the same universe would be like... and traffic accidents won't increase they'll remain the same, just stay out of the road kids, logi stops for no one.
Don't you see much further? I know from other people doing vr stuff that the game doesn't render beyond a certain range, but you're basically getting binocular/max range view to see enemies which could be a huge benefit for tank spotting and the like
Yea things don't render as well at greater distances. If you could get scopes for rifles or binos to see at the long range then it would be a huge benefit for sure.
Honestly I think if devman comes out with foxhole 2 with it being an FPS instead of isometric, it might top the charts for a while. If the mechanics are right, it could experience a similar hype that Battlebit did. It would require lots of changes, and while it would change bits of what we love about the game, I do not think it would change the feel of scale and belonging to your faction one bit. I've seen you comment that you would not do logi in FP mode, however imagine how thrilling delivering crucial parts to frontline BB's would suddenly get, while driving through artillery. You've even said freighting was much more scenic than before. If the game was actually made to be experienced in this way, it could honestly combine Battlefield, Truck Sims, and Base Builders into a singular, tight experience, with regiments being the key to unlock unparalleled player longevity.
I think that the advantage could be the better perspective of surfaces which allows you to quickly adapt to terrain as seen on 3:33, you could cover yourself by simply going backwards, something which couldnt be seen from top perspective
True! I would say though the top down still has a way bigger advantage. This would be hard to balance to make them both playable in the same game. Thanks for your thoughts on this!
That is a lot of players honestly and I get it. Maybe another developer will pick up the idea in the future and make their own first person foxhole type game.
Tbh, i love this game because I can play it relaxed most of the time unlike playing smt like an actual fps and yes it is so cool to see the game in first person. Idk but if the devs give this mode a bit of support because it might be funny to just do smt like going behind even my lines since they don't have top-down and sneaking in vr would be very funny with vc ( I already love talking with enemy players when doing something goofy). So maybe the devs could support this by giving the vr players a different smt like an MC-VR player model with floating arms and smt like that (co-existing modes) I mean the game isn't fully first-person vr but if you wanna take that challenge and have some fun moment like I said would be smt the devs could give these guys made this some support and add smt to the game that players don't have to do but would be a really cool and exciting way to play the game if you want like Minecraft - the game isn't built around vr but if you want the option it's there. So what do you think should this be a light suggestion to the devs?
Maybe? I would bet the devs wouldn't have time or resources to put into this without some outside help from the player base. It's a really small dev team and I'm sure they have other things to focus on. But it would be cool if they did! The light suggestion would be just more players wanting it and trying to set it up themselves honestly. If the player base can build most of it themselves and the devs just add a sprinkle of what the VR players need then I could see them maybe doing something. But again I don't think this type of thing is on their radar at all. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Remembering now some of the moments I fought through and what they could have looked like in first person.... 1. A wall of 8 tanks side by side rushing our concrete defenses to bulldoze them. 2. Fighting downhill north of deadlands trying to retake the holy land. 3. Desperate last stand in Heartlands as we wait for logi resupply. 4. Running out of ammo as I run through trenches punching randomly. If fully fleshed out and properly supported this could bring a whole new demographic to the game.
1. Add moded sky texture 2. add some war fog for chanks ( for less info of bunkers) 3. add that white line when shooting for normal guns ( like in 6:18) 4. Arty gameplay can be fun, im talking about loading (depend on player) 5. spotting needed to be changed (binos)
Hell. Yeah. Now I can more clearly and traumatically see the soldier I just revived take four steps back to the front thanking me and get turned into human paste that neatly coats my face and uniform! And don't forget getting intimately familiar with what was left of the Pvt. who didn't know you should run on the side of the road!
This is exactly what I thought would happen if Foxhole was in first person: it becomes a horror game. It's why I wished I could make my own sandbox strategy and logistics shooter...and friggin' LIMIT the amount of things players have to do themselves. Scrapping/mining should be for civilians, sorry. I'd like to have a bit of elements of Anno 1800, and be able to develop efficient towns to provide resources, instead of mining them myself.
@@RobertLovesGames I'll forgive them for almost killing the game with that map border swap and making things easier to collect bs if they invest in this
I think someone cooked well with this idea, it might actually be the key to bridge the gap between vr and larger scale multiplayer games like foxhole as currently most pvp vr games are either duel based or can handle a max of roughly 20-30 nerds at a given time. I may not speak for everyone but im sure a lot of us will be watching this modding community's career with great interest
The first person perspective looks pretty neat, but I'm a fan of the old Army Men series and the over the head gameplay mirrors that pretty well but with more refined controls.
The idea of Foxhole Dev's adding an official First Person perspective, perhaps as a toggle option, would drastically change how battles are fought, or from a cinematic standpoint do the opposite. Really cool. Since the isometric perspective and 1st person both have their benefits, one is better for close quarters while the other is better for commanding, sniping, etc. Which balances each other out.
Foxhole in first person would actually be really sick, i think the devs need to make it an option. They can keep the fog of war, everything, just make it an option thats all
Honestly if anything this would likely be a stark disadvantage. From above you have a 360 birds eye of the battlefield as it changes around you, and are less affected by things like explosions, suppression, etc... with this all of those things apply 100%.
Yea. If the devs had the smart idea to incorporate this into the actual game, where you can switch to the current camera mode for those who like it, or for when you're doing backline stuff. But can switch to the first person mode at the press of a button for combat mode, would turn this g ame from a "Pretty ok" to a "Winner"
I feel like there's a SLIGHT advantage in infantry play but not really enough overall to say vr players dominate pr anything, overall a very interesting concept which would be cool if the devs expanded on
It doesn't look like this currently enables better aiming - but only because the controls are so clunky/unofficial. I imagine if the devs wanted to actually add official support for VR play then players would expect smoother and more accurate aiming/controls, and this would most likely become an easier way to learn to aim accurately than the system currently in normal foxhole.
It does not make aiming better. And for sure if the devs wanted to focus on some of the development for this then they could make it better. Thanks for your thoughts on this!
My dream game is a first person foxhole, add character and equipment progression with tiers for what gear is usable so wars can still have tech progression, PVE with monsters and undead, replace all the boring chores with good mini games, add in sega bass fishing at home, and make driving like an arcade racer.
Planetside 2 is basically first person Foxhole, and that game's been alive and kicking for ages. I feel like the formula has a lot of potential and wish there were more games in this niche. Open world factional warfare with complex logistics and fortification building systems. The Arma series also has some of this, but requires modded servers to make it work, I'm more interested in official stuff. It feels like such an untapped niche, there's very few games I can think of that fall into it.
I use to play PS2 a lot! Then I found out about Foxhole's logistics system and fell in love with that more. if PS2 had the same level of logistics I would probably still be playing PS2. I think this game genre has a lot of potential as well if any devs ever want to tackle it. Thanks for your thoughts on this!
Devs need to make this an update. I really feel like you would pull in some of those players sitting on the fence. I know a few people that wont buy the game for the camera angle alone. The game doesn't need to be 1st person all the time but give the ability to switch between the two. They could really do something special I feel like.
That would be cool but unfortunately I don't see the devs focusing on this type of thing any time soon. And I've met players like that as well. Like I mentioned I hated the top down perspective at first but then after I played and did logistics for while I loved it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
it needs the cursor line with vertical green line for accuracy that the top-down version has, so you would have an indicator to show you if you're going to hit or not. An improved VR version of the game would sell well.
BRO! Ever since Arrowhead took Helldivers from top down to Helldivers 2 being 3rd/1st person (while aiming) I've been wishing Foxhole would follow suit!
If this concept came out as an FPS I have no doubt it would be on top charts everywhere. The logistics is what planetside2 was missing.
I bet people would really enjoy it as well if it had a good logistics mechanic involved. And I agree if Planetside had anything close to the logistics that Foxhole had I probably would have never left Planetside.
Honestly I would love this. But its surely difficult? I mean if you want to make it like foxhole just FPS then you still gotta make it so that you don't have unlimited field of view probably as u do know already. Seems like hard to do idk lol. But it would still be fun doing all this in FPS. Building scrapping or digging trenches. Or even driving as logi
YES! Logi in Planetside was missing so bad!
Yeah, there are some cool moments when you attack en masse but is otherwise boring.
@@JustNick23 That's somewhat easy to work around. Just make sure that there is an actual fog around the player at the maximum draw distance the devs allow and have it so binoculars or stuff like NVG are the only things that can bypass it. Also, with proper terrain building, it wouldn't be this much of a problem anyway, as there would be natural barriers for the player's view.
The thing that I find most impressive is that the models and textures actually work quite well at this range and view. Even with things like the empty skybox and mostly flattened landscape, everything still looks pretty good. Shows you how much care the art team put into making everything.
It's not to bad honestly. And agreed there are a lot of little details that we miss out on looking from the top down perspective.
Thanks for pointing this out!
Somehow I didn't have a problem with the flat landscape. It felt like Flanders or Northern France- which were battle zones in both world wars, so it fits the vibe!
What I'm curious. since first person mode is available for VR the transition to full 1st person mode shouldn't be too difficult to implement and 3rd person could still be available too.
honestly if it was usable for an average player, I think that could create extensive boost to player population as the new best world at war game.
I think devs should really check it out
The older vehicles still missing a floor as with tradition.
The ships look great though shows how far devs modelling talent has went.
A slightly nicer skybox would be cool but it totally works as a low poly style.
If you dont get PTSD from normal Foxhole you can get it now with VR for 100%
XDDDD
fr like imagine seeing your buddie blow from an arty shot
For real!! Lol
@@Electro_410that’s what helldivers 2 is like, and it’s hilarious.
@DaaClaptain imagine trying to be edgy on the internet by saying other people are trying to be edgy on the internet. You really are a joke.
@DaaClaptain its not that deep brother go touch some grass or something
I feel like somehow, this captures the scale of foxhole much more.
Agreed! You can easily forget how big everything is from the top down perspective.
I believe a community of "War photographers" who get "imbedded" in professional foxhole groups and records the battles from the front, in first person, using normal game allies to lean on, would be amazing
That would be really cool!
Wait, aren't Press guys already a thing?
@@darykeng Yes but now they are eating GOOD
I actually was able to start taking press photos in the first person two or 3 years ago when I was doing photos with them. I won’t claim anything but I believe I was the first of us to be able to do it consistently
It was a hard system that was a hit or miss, but there was nothing like it at the time, this was an immediate click even though I haven’t played since then
@@Mr.Spade1 2 lazy to look for it, please send youtuber names
There is absolutely a minor advantage in that line of sight is trivial to judge -- in typical Foxhole gameplay, a common source of confusion and death is not knowing that some enemy was able to shoot you because you thought some interceding object was tall enough to block their line of sight when it was not.
Given that the mod trades this rather minor ability for the absolutely colossal drawback of not being able to see anything that isn't in your character's line of sight, I wouldn't call it too much of a competitive advantage unless people found a way to trigger this perspective on and off freely while remaining in comfortable desktop controls all the while, which doesn't look to be possible with UEVR alone.
Yeah once you launch UEVR into the game, only way to stop it closes the game. You can get the top down view with it but swapping between that and first person isn’t fast, and at that point you’re just playing foxhole with extra motion sickness
i wonder if it makes shooting between trenches any easier. say theres 2 people across from each other standing. usually it goes back and forth for longer than it should, but if one person can see just the head and none of the body, wouldnt he have an easier time?
From what I saw in the video, your own shooting angle becomes much harder to judge though. I feel like a dedicated scout could benefit from these settings, but that is about it.
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This has been my dream for quite a while now, can’t wait for this war to end to try it.
Woo! Have fun! Let me know how your experience goes!
Ever since I saw a clip on reddit, it has been my dream too. Even tho I cant really try it, since I dont have a VR set, I would love to see an option to play on first person.
I agree this is all I have wanted for awhile
Add a fog filter to hide the pop ins and then you'd have a horrifying war game. In fact, FPS Foxhole would essentially be WW2 online.
That sounds great! I'm for it!
I would turn off the texture filtering too so we get ps1 Silent Hill experience
@@Slick9600 Downscale the resolution and turn of AA while we're at it.
Having Foxhole in 1st person is a dream come true
Woo! I know a lot of players have always wanted to see or try it!
1:58 gamer discovers manual labor for the first time
Nah brah I can speak from experience when I say manual labor with a headset strapped to your face is next level torture.
lol for real!
The advantage of first person is that you get real WWI shellshock.
For real! lol
I think something like this would be good since trench warfare is very annoying when its impossible to aim at the enemy instead of above them
I agree that trench battles would be a lot cooler in first person!
@@RobertLovesGames Isn't that the point of the trenches and top down perspective though? In most other games, trenches aren't all that important because it's super easy to just tap them in the head (Whereas in real war it's a lot more difficult) - The fact that you're hard to hit in a trench is the whole point, if people could just aim right at you the entire fortification system would be much less useful and engagement distance would increase massively while density decreased massively.
As an example, try playing a static cover-based playstyle in battlefield and watch how long it takes before some dude just snipes you
@@jyrigtrenches should work because of team work not just because it’s just impossible to shoot at
@@Marcos-eg9lt you don't need a team for a trench to do its job, there's a reason that foxholes(basically trenches for one or two people) are so prevalent IRL. It's very hard to shoot someone when they're only barely peeking out of a trench unless you're a sniper, see WW1 for reference
in addition, the fact that shooting isn't effective vs trenches makes grenades and chemical weapons super useful for the exact job they were invented for- clearing out people from a dug-in or fortified position
Id come back to foxhole if first person was an actual option
Nice! Unfortunately I don't see it happening any time soon to be honest with you ha :D
Last I heard the devs were completely against it, as it sets itself apart from other FPS games. Just be happy with what it is, or move on... I sense bans possibly incoming for using this (it *has* set of anti-cheats in other games)
@@Munky332 no
@@Munky332 Yeah this is some cheating bull, being able to look down the map in that degree is a clear advantage the narrator is purposefully overlooking.
@@lordfarquaad1195the models don’t work past a certain point, and it limits what you can see behind u so it makes it balanced in a way
This is absolutely flippin awesome. If the devs actually added a FPV to the game the player base would definitly go ecstatic, we'd have much more people doing frontline stuff, and for some reason I feel like we'd have more content creators on foxhole.
It is really cool! And as I mentioned we would see another group of players join Foxhole if it was more polished for sure!
Disabled gamer here. I think your video was great. No way in heck I could play vr but it looks wild.
There are tons of mil Sim fps games but only one Foxhole. Initially, I got into Foxhole after my injury because I could no longer compete in fps games. Big morale hit then boom, Foxhole released! I love that strategy, tactics, and communication win battles over sick 360° flick shots
I do think VR enhances certain aspects that you highlighted, but I hope there is never a large advantage given to vr players. Great vid, dude
Thank you so much! And glad you found a home in Foxhole and enjoy it! That's great to hear!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Just imagine running through a trench at night in the rain. Tanks driving over head. Shells landing all around. Bullets flying over head. People screaming bloody murder. And of course knowing that everything being done involves a real life person and serves a purpose.
My body is ready..
That would be awesome! Or a really big snow storm where you can't see very far!
Check out Squad, Squad 44, or HLL. They have everything you just described, but in FPP, and were made as FPS games, so they actually work as FPS games lol
This is amazing, I hope Devs do some kind of implementation for this and allow players to switch between which perspective they want to fight on. I think we would all agree that the top down view gets kinda boring after some time. This would give more life and a brand new way to play the game
It would be cool but I wouldn't hold your breathe for the devs to work on anything first person related with Foxhole any time soon :D But it would be really cool if they did!
@@RobertLovesGames yeah yeah, it's not a must do. But it would be really cool, cheers Robert!
On top down vs first person: I came to Foxhole after Helldivers (original), and I grew up playing the original CoD, so to me top down feels much more tactical and first person way more twitchy.
I have similar thoughts! I grew up playing a lot of FPS games like Halo and Call of Duty. Even though I like FPS games I don't think I would ever play Foxhole if it was FPS unless it was really polished.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
For making youtube content this is dream come true, it can give deeper, immersive and an amazing background to storytelling of Foxhole warfare, great video Rob, thank you for covering it !
No problem! And I agree this type of perspective can add a lot to Foxhole if implemented correctly!
Thanks for your kind words! Appreciate it!
@@RobertLovesGames o7
It's legit like a war reporter's perspective... if a war reporter had submachine guns
This is honestly the kind of game that I am waiting for. A first person large scale war where everything is player made
same at least non scifi wise because otherwise planetside 2 was good for it till they decided to shoot themselves in the foot and lose basically the entirety of their remaining playerbase
@@Angelic_Hero haven't heard of ps2's shenanigans, qrd please?
@@polishbot horrible balancing updates is the major one I remember but I know there's been a few others that happened before and after I quit over a year ago. and I stopped really paying attention then since there was only 1000-2000 active players when I quit
I wanna say there was a monetization change that was very poorly received, but I could be thinking of another game, since that's happening a lot lately
i saw a clip of someone doing this on the subreddit the other day and was disappointed that i couldnt find any other footage of it so ty for this lol
No problem! Tugsten was probably the player you saw on reddit who helped me make this :D
It certainly adds a more cinematic feeling to everything and for logistics at least driving and walking around in big facilities would be something great. And i wannna POV a train
Agreed! Really cool for cinematic shots! And yes I want some train footage as well! That would be cool.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
@@RobertLovesGames If I get to build another Caoivish Military Museum this war, that might be a good opportunity for some first person shots as well
the only advantage I could think of is simply being able to see players at a farther distance. from the top-down view, your sight is limited to what the screen can fit, but in first person there is really no limit to how far you can see so it gives you an edge at maneuvering around players who can't see you yet.
But you can't do that which I explain in my new 3rd person video. You can see better in that video that things don't render for you until you are within a certain distance.
Awesome video! Seeing the world from first-person in this video really gives a whole new perspective, I have to imagine actually in VR it's even more amazing
Thank you! And yes it really does!
The top down perspective is what actually got me into foxhole in the first place
That's awesome to hear! I've heard that a couple of times from people that really love RTS type games.
Thanks for sharing that!
First person/top down toggle would be a, no pun intended, game changer. That is with some adjustments to make it work.
Top down for officers (to keep the strategy) and backline, and first person for the grunts on the front? I think there's potential as an option.
As an aside I definitely started hearing the Battlefield 1942 theme in my head, especially during the naval portions.
lol! Would be awesome! Would love to see that!
this would be a dream come true if this became a vanilla option in some way
It would be really cool! Also I love Halo! Halo 2 and 3 were my main games as a child and are still my favorite games today!
@@RobertLovesGames thanks yeah still love them this day even if its past the glory days found this pic thought it was the perfect profile pic
0:54 he came out of nowhere lol
lol! Seriously couldn't see him at all!
I would like this to be implemented to the base game in 3rd person view. It would be super cool and certanly will be cool enough to buy and play the game instead of PUBG. This is the update foxhole need right now.
I actually had some footage of a third person view. I should have added it. It would for sure feel more like old style PUBG or Fornite. I don't know if I would like that view point though :D unless they made the skybox look better.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Personally I feel like a third or first person view would turn the game into COD or god forbid Fortnite and take away a lot of its charm
You mean the zoomed down view?
Like when you hold Control and mousewheel down.
ima try this, i have always wondered how great foxhole would be in first person!
Do it! Let me know how your experience goes playing it in first person!
Since the game looks so great in first person, I could totally see the devs taking the assets and making a stand alone fps game set in the foxhole world.
Trying to do a stand alone game would be awesome! Like I mentioned start it out on a small scale like 30 vs 30 or something.
Foxhole
New title: Entrenchment
I was a press photographer some years ago that was the first to find a system of taking first person photos for articles and things. It was tedious and not perfect at all, so to see this made my heart warm even though I haven’t played since then.
That's awesome to hear! Thanks for sharing that! Hope you come back again and do that again :D
Really glad to see it. I’ll have to make a new tutorial for the first person settings since we did find another minor improvement (gas mask mesh makes your view rise and sink a little bit as your character’s head does)
That would be cool! Do it! Thanks for all your work with first person mode!
This has amazing potential for vr only, with more disadvantages to using first person than the top down view, it would allow foxhole to keep its main visuals but would add so much for content creators or casual players. Imagine piloting aircraft, or driving trucks, imagine experiencing drowned vale in vr first person.
Agreed! Driving trucks looks rough but maybe with some improvements it could be better.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
@@RobertLovesGames The main advantage is better view in front of you, very important for vehicles (but not ships) and when enemy comes from one side.
very nice. hope this gets added as a camera angle option
this will be so cool for the news guys to get really cool pictures of the battles
For sure! It does give a really cool cinematic view!
People forget that the top down perspective is what makes the world and combat feel big. Idk this just makes it all look and feel so small.
Exactly! Foxhole would lose a lot of its charm if it was first person perspective.
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
I would have to disagree having played similar FPS games like Hell Let Loose. Being down on the ground, right in the middle of the action while all around you chaos unfolds. Not being able to tell if your buddy has been hit while you charge straight into enemy fire. Watching the towering metal war machines fire rounds into the trenchlines. It's a different feeling of big. Seeing everything unfold is nice but I prefer the unknown and listening to the war stories after the fact.
@@RobertLovesGamesmmmh i think its better more imersive.
Ngl places in the foggy weather look great even without the skybox.
0:59 that really does give off some somewhat abandoned factory vibes. Does make me wonder what another game set in the same universe would be like... and traffic accidents won't increase they'll remain the same, just stay out of the road kids, logi stops for no one.
VR only lobbies would be neat.
That would be cool!
Don't you see much further? I know from other people doing vr stuff that the game doesn't render beyond a certain range, but you're basically getting binocular/max range view to see enemies which could be a huge benefit for tank spotting and the like
Yea things don't render as well at greater distances. If you could get scopes for rifles or binos to see at the long range then it would be a huge benefit for sure.
Honestly I think if devman comes out with foxhole 2 with it being an FPS instead of isometric, it might top the charts for a while. If the mechanics are right, it could experience a similar hype that Battlebit did. It would require lots of changes, and while it would change bits of what we love about the game, I do not think it would change the feel of scale and belonging to your faction one bit. I've seen you comment that you would not do logi in FP mode, however imagine how thrilling delivering crucial parts to frontline BB's would suddenly get, while driving through artillery. You've even said freighting was much more scenic than before. If the game was actually made to be experienced in this way, it could honestly combine Battlefield, Truck Sims, and Base Builders into a singular, tight experience, with regiments being the key to unlock unparalleled player longevity.
That thumbnail is downright cursed. Absolutely cursed. As a gen Z Boomer, totally get now what's going on on a bunch of subreddits
Cursed? What do you mean?
I think that the advantage could be the better perspective of surfaces which allows you to quickly adapt to terrain as seen on 3:33, you could cover yourself by simply going backwards, something which couldnt be seen from top perspective
True! I would say though the top down still has a way bigger advantage. This would be hard to balance to make them both playable in the same game.
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
I feel like this would be perfect for people who like to play as frontline commanders
Agreed! It would be really cool!
It really does hold up surprisingly well, graphically
Besides the skybox I agree ha :D
THEY NEED TO MAKE THIS A FEATURE! (for anyone, a camera switch option. omg....)
For sure!!
The lack of First person mode is the only reason dissuading me from buying Foxhole.
That is a lot of players honestly and I get it. Maybe another developer will pick up the idea in the future and make their own first person foxhole type game.
would totally come back for a first person version of foxhole
Nice! I know a bunch of players that have said the same thing!
As terrifying a mad bayo boi is in the base game imagine one getting in the trenches in VR
Would be a jump scare for sure!
- Me joking about Foxhole VR in worldchat for years
- Some crazy modders : ''Hold my canteen''
Ha! You started all of this! This blood is on your hands!
I can´t be the only one that wants a Hell let loose kinda game with the Foxhole concept
I do as well!
Tbh, i love this game because I can play it relaxed most of the time unlike playing smt like an actual fps and yes it is so cool to see the game in first person. Idk but if the devs give this mode a bit of support because it might be funny to just do smt like going behind even my lines since they don't have top-down and sneaking in vr would be very funny with vc ( I already love talking with enemy players when doing something goofy). So maybe the devs could support this by giving the vr players a different smt like an MC-VR player model with floating arms and smt like that (co-existing modes) I mean the game isn't fully first-person vr but if you wanna take that challenge and have some fun moment like I said would be smt the devs could give these guys made this some support and add smt to the game that players don't have to do but would be a really cool and exciting way to play the game if you want like Minecraft - the game isn't built around vr but if you want the option it's there.
So what do you think should this be a light suggestion to the devs?
Maybe? I would bet the devs wouldn't have time or resources to put into this without some outside help from the player base. It's a really small dev team and I'm sure they have other things to focus on. But it would be cool if they did!
The light suggestion would be just more players wanting it and trying to set it up themselves honestly. If the player base can build most of it themselves and the devs just add a sprinkle of what the VR players need then I could see them maybe doing something. But again I don't think this type of thing is on their radar at all.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Remembering now some of the moments I fought through and what they could have looked like in first person....
1. A wall of 8 tanks side by side rushing our concrete defenses to bulldoze them.
2. Fighting downhill north of deadlands trying to retake the holy land.
3. Desperate last stand in Heartlands as we wait for logi resupply.
4. Running out of ammo as I run through trenches punching randomly.
If fully fleshed out and properly supported this could bring a whole new demographic to the game.
i want this as a normal mode
I feel like they should have a hybrid system being able to switch to first and third person that both views have there benefits and downsides
That would be cool! Maybe some day!
1. Add moded sky texture
2. add some war fog for chanks ( for less info of bunkers)
3. add that white line when shooting for normal guns ( like in 6:18)
4. Arty gameplay can be fun, im talking about loading (depend on player)
5. spotting needed to be changed (binos)
Great suggestions! Love it! Thanks for sharing this!
It gives you combat awareness !
It does! I think I mentioned that :D
Big advantage with this in infantry combat hell of a lot easier to see terrain elevations and dips that can block shots
Good point! Elevations from the top down perspective is so confusing!
I agree, though good luck controlling how you aim with those elevations and dips in mind lol
Oh give it a month or so someone will figure out how to get aiming to work right lol
Hell. Yeah. Now I can more clearly and traumatically see the soldier I just revived take four steps back to the front thanking me and get turned into human paste that neatly coats my face and uniform! And don't forget getting intimately familiar with what was left of the Pvt. who didn't know you should run on the side of the road!
lol exactly! Best new way to experience Foxhole :D
If foxhole actually added this as a feature outside of VR, it would be amazing.
It would be really cool! Maybe some day another developer will try and make a game like it!
Holy shit this looks so much better than playing top-down. I want in on this.
Ha! Better get a VR headset for now then!
This is amazing. I wish there was a game like Foxhole that was first person.
Maybe some developer team will take it on some day! Would be cool to see!
This is exactly what I thought would happen if Foxhole was in first person: it becomes a horror game.
It's why I wished I could make my own sandbox strategy and logistics shooter...and friggin' LIMIT the amount of things players have to do themselves. Scrapping/mining should be for civilians, sorry. I'd like to have a bit of elements of Anno 1800, and be able to develop efficient towns to provide resources, instead of mining them myself.
The advantage is having a better experience.
Ha for sure!
foxhole vr just looks like the old call of duties, the ones on pc discs, can't wait to see this type of stuff though being performed heavily
Agreed! Be cool if one day some other dev team works on this more or comes up with a more polished version.
@@RobertLovesGames I'll forgive them for almost killing the game with that map border swap and making things easier to collect bs if they invest in this
man i would never stop playing this game if it was in first person
Maybe one day another developer will try out this concept!
What I'm getting from this video is that a proper horror game set up like foxhole first-person needs to be made.
I think so! Some indie dev should get on it! Set it up in some WW1/WW2 setting.
I think someone cooked well with this idea, it might actually be the key to bridge the gap between vr and larger scale multiplayer games like foxhole as currently most pvp vr games are either duel based or can handle a max of roughly 20-30 nerds at a given time.
I may not speak for everyone but im sure a lot of us will be watching this modding community's career with great interest
Mixed view perspectives are also an option, that would make it more realistic and immersive
True! That could be cool!
The first person perspective looks pretty neat, but I'm a fan of the old Army Men series and the over the head gameplay mirrors that pretty well but with more refined controls.
That would be cool to see as well! Thanks for sharing that!
5:45 lmao i was on that ship, i was just behind the vr guy
Nice! Looked like a fun time :D
@@RobertLovesGames naval is not fun for me so no
I would love first-person Foxhole. It would be everything I wanted Planetside 2 to be.
Exactly! If PS2 had the logistics that Foxhole had I might have never left PS2
new dlc real life scroop hammers with vr trackers so that when you scroop you also get buffed irl
This is so scuffed but super neat to see
For sure lol! That's exactly how I feel.
The idea of Foxhole Dev's adding an official First Person perspective, perhaps as a toggle option, would drastically change how battles are fought, or from a cinematic standpoint do the opposite. Really cool. Since the isometric perspective and 1st person both have their benefits, one is better for close quarters while the other is better for commanding, sniping, etc. Which balances each other out.
Finally have a reason to play this game
Woo! I've heard this from a lot of people :D
Foxhole in first person would actually be really sick, i think the devs need to make it an option. They can keep the fog of war, everything, just make it an option thats all
Yes it would! They should start off with smaller servers and try it out.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
I know people say they are sick of first person but it is THE most immersive perspective and Foxhole looks amazing in it
Dude this looks insane! Hopefully this mod gets better.
For sure! Moding community works pretty hard in Foxhole which is awesome!
Honestly if anything this would likely be a stark disadvantage. From above you have a 360 birds eye of the battlefield as it changes around you, and are less affected by things like explosions, suppression, etc... with this all of those things apply 100%.
Exactly! First person is a cool experience but not optimal currently. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
You definitely are able to enjoy the weapons and vehicle models in a whole new perspective.
Yea. If the devs had the smart idea to incorporate this into the actual game, where you can switch to the current camera mode for those who like it, or for when you're doing backline stuff. But can switch to the first person mode at the press of a button for combat mode, would turn this g ame from a "Pretty ok" to a "Winner"
I would use 1st person perspective for 'war correspondents' or basically, front-line reporters.
That would be awesome!
I feel like there's a SLIGHT advantage in infantry play but not really enough overall to say vr players dominate pr anything, overall a very interesting concept which would be cool if the devs expanded on
Agreed! Maybe another developer will pick this concept up one day!
Interesting! Immersive (as long as you don't drive a vehicle)!
True! Vehicles are awful!
It doesn't look like this currently enables better aiming - but only because the controls are so clunky/unofficial. I imagine if the devs wanted to actually add official support for VR play then players would expect smoother and more accurate aiming/controls, and this would most likely become an easier way to learn to aim accurately than the system currently in normal foxhole.
It does not make aiming better. And for sure if the devs wanted to focus on some of the development for this then they could make it better.
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
"Everything feels so huge."
That's what she said
lol! Nice!
I wished i had vr (i have a headset but no controllers) and now i wish i had it even more
Some day! Maybe once it becomes more mainstream there will be some cheaper options in the future!
My dream game is a first person foxhole, add character and equipment progression with tiers for what gear is usable so wars can still have tech progression, PVE with monsters and undead, replace all the boring chores with good mini games, add in sega bass fishing at home, and make driving like an arcade racer.
Amazing! Now we have proof of concept now devs need to refine it and implement first person option
Ha! I wouldn’t hold your breath. Probably not on their radar at all.
bro there should be a special event where u fight the war in first person
That would be cool! Do it over resistance phase!
Planetside 2 is basically first person Foxhole, and that game's been alive and kicking for ages. I feel like the formula has a lot of potential and wish there were more games in this niche. Open world factional warfare with complex logistics and fortification building systems. The Arma series also has some of this, but requires modded servers to make it work, I'm more interested in official stuff. It feels like such an untapped niche, there's very few games I can think of that fall into it.
I use to play PS2 a lot! Then I found out about Foxhole's logistics system and fell in love with that more. if PS2 had the same level of logistics I would probably still be playing PS2.
I think this game genre has a lot of potential as well if any devs ever want to tackle it.
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
11/10 video. thanks. this looks amazing. foxhole is like a glimmer of hope when gaming is being ruined
Thank you! And I agree! Foxhole is a diamond in the rough for those that enjoy games like this!
Now there is a good chance I will be buying this game. Holy crap!
Nice! Feel free to DM me on discord if you have any questions or need help learning!
the short render distance reminds me of an old PS1 game called Army Men 3D
Lol basically! I remember playing that with my cousins a lot!
you talked few times ago about wars with a specific game mode, 1st person war could be a good start
For sure! Do something like this for resistance phase on small scale!
Devs need to make this an update. I really feel like you would pull in some of those players sitting on the fence. I know a few people that wont buy the game for the camera angle alone. The game doesn't need to be 1st person all the time but give the ability to switch between the two. They could really do something special I feel like.
That would be cool but unfortunately I don't see the devs focusing on this type of thing any time soon.
And I've met players like that as well. Like I mentioned I hated the top down perspective at first but then after I played and did logistics for while I loved it.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
it needs the cursor line with vertical green line for accuracy that the top-down version has, so you would have an indicator to show you if you're going to hit or not. An improved VR version of the game would sell well.
For sure! That would be cool!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
BRO! Ever since Arrowhead took Helldivers from top down to Helldivers 2 being 3rd/1st person (while aiming) I've been wishing Foxhole would follow suit!
That would be awesome! This needs a lot more polish to get to that level ha
In my opinion it depends from diffrent people, i would love to try that in VR
True! Seems like a lot of people would love to try it out.