I forgot to mention you will need to set BATT_MONITOR to 4 (and reboot) to enable the voltage and current sensor. ardupilot.org/copter/docs/parameters.html#batt-monitor-battery-monitoring
Yes, you just need a UART available. The first UART will typically be used by GPS, but on these boards there is another one. Which connector it is on may need a little trial and error to find out, and you can change the value of the parameters SERIALx_PROTOCOL to assign the functionality you want (for telemetry it would be MAVLink1) These days there is better official support for these cheap boards, the options I just mentioned will be set up already, and rather than doing what I did here you would be better off to get firmware from here (use 'stable'): firmware.ardupilot.org/ Boot loader flashing (only need to do once): ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-firmware-onto-chibios-only-boards.html Firmware flashing: ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-chibios-firmware-onto-pixhawk.html btw if you have changed that little solder pad bridge to select full battery power on the video in/out + pins, double check that you're still getting only 5V on the UART connectors before connecting your telemetry/GPS. On one revision of these boards (v2.1) I found that changing that solder bridge gave me full battery power on the UART +ve pin too and I lost a cheapie telemetry radio module because of it. I would hate to see a pricey radio like the 900x get smoked!
Very cool, looking forward to the flight video. I'm getting so many ideas for "mini" autonomous planes now that we're getting Pixhawk(+) like performance out of these tiny boards...
I have the OB F4 V2.1 board from Banggood, this has product number 1143258 and is labelled V2.1. Your board appears to be the V2 board which has different component layout around the SBUS resistor and I think UART (inverted?) differences. I use INAV and both the SD card and OSD are working.
Thanks, as always, iforce2d. Your videos are excellent. FYI -- you don't need to use remote desktop for Mission Planner. It works really well under Mono.
ah, good to know. I have always had trouble with anything using serial ports under Wine, they work for quite a while and then the connection drops. In any case I already have all my MP stuff on that windows laptop so I can take it outside with me. I almost never use it at my desk.
Really well ! Not like that it's working +/-, it's still mono and c# not native linux. There is some bugs and it's pretty slow. Better yo use qgroundcontrol
Great info! Has anyone gotten serial telemetry working with these? I'm using a standard serial data modem. I'm getting data like attitude, altitude, GPS position, but the parameters are failing to load.
Hi Daniel, do you mean the parameters can't be set/changed? I have a serial modem on one of my planes with the omnibus f4 pro, and I have noticed that it's damn near impossible to change parameters while flying (maybe one in 20 or so attempts will succeed), even though the position data is being updated smoothly. But I can change parameters via the modem just fine when the plane is not flying. I never thought too much about it since I rarely change parameters in flight, but perhaps it is some kind of bug... seems odd though, if the position data is coming in the link should be ok. I know the modems are ok because I have used them with other FCs (revo-mini and Radiolink MiniPix) and I was able to change parameters in flight with those.
@@iforce2d I'm getting all the live data just fine but it seems as though the Omnibus is not responding to the GCS's request to send parameters. I'm not able to view or change parameters at any time. Seems like maybe the TX is working but not the RX? As it can't receive parameter request? I've tried this with multiple modems so pretty confident its an omnibus problem
@@rctestflight I have the same problem. I get stuck at "getting parameters"... Did you ever solve this problem? edit: I desoldered one resistor as described here www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2798125-Omnibus-F4-AIO-PRO-V2-ppm-receiver-not-talking-to-flight-controller/page2 now all the parameters come in (I am using ppm for rc). :)
I have ppm receiver it wasn't working before but after i removed that resistor u tslked about its working i think u definitely have to remove that resistor in order to work sbus/ ppm receiver
Hoping your USB reg doesn't burn out like 2 boards I had! Also the upper DFU switch top separated on one board. A normal pushbutton or jumper would be better.
Great video! Do you have a video explaining how to set up either smartport or mavlink telemetry on this board? I am having a tough time finding info on this
And how do you mission plan while flying? Like you cannot have the USB all the time. I planned using 433 telemetry with ordinal 2.4 fs-ia6b, for manual take off and then activate autopitol, if possible activate from the PC not the controller, cuz it has lower range. So I could change plans in flight, would appreciate the help.
I have installed Arduplane (fixed wing) on an Omnibus F4Pro Flight Controller, linked via FrSky X8R Rx to my Taranis X9D Plus. While sitting on the bench I am testing the various flight modes and they switch properly. My question is when I am in manual mode w/ 50% throttle and I switch to Cruise mode the motor stops - is this normal behavior on the bench? I am nervous to test it in the air as I am not sure what the response will be.
Yes I think so. It seems to know when it's really flying or not. Seems to also cut the throttle automatically after a crash too. But generally speaking, with any new mode just be ready to quickly switch back to manual immediately if something goes wrong and I don't see that it would be a serious problem even if settings are not quite right.
Hello i like your video's very much.but i have 1 question do you know how to vtail in arduplane? Or do you have a video about it.i just cant get it right. Change servo to vtail right and left (SERVO 2 AND 4 )But no Luck also reverse no Luck .I have a normal plane and is easy to set up with omnibus f4 pro v2. But vtail i cant get it right hope you can help or a link for video sould be very Nice. Also been reading all docs on Ardu site no luck. Best regards René
These days I often don't bother. But this video was partially about testing Adupilot in general on this new hardware, so I was trying all the sensors I had (compass would be necessary for multirotor)
Do you have any advice for getting an esc to calibrate in arduplane? I have been trying to get an arduplane build going for a year or so and I can never get the esc/motor to make any noise. If I go to iNav everything works fine. I use normally a Matek F405 FC.
You could try decreasing the 'min' value for the throttle channel on the Servo Output page (under Initial setup, Mandatory Hardware). The default is 1100 which might be a little high for some ESCs, and they will not interpret it as a throttle low position. If an ESC gives me this problem I usually set that value to 1000.
Correct, there is no onboard compass. Many of these boards don't include a compass because it's better to have the compass physically separated further away from the main body of the aircraft, up on a little tower with the GPS is usually the best place.
Hello sir, this is such a great idea from you because I am confused about this....can I use mission planner in sp racing f3 flight controller for quadcopter by flashing arducopter firmware to f3...?? Please reply to me sir, it really very important....
Hi. Just a small question. Is it possible to have 3RD dongle style telemetry radios to work with inav on F3 boards? I was trying to get this to work. Can't find any examples. I have used these radios and they work with a Cube. With iNav it's not working. Not sure on any settings. Not sure where to find the information and was wondering if you've done this.
Mavlink. Mavlink is the telemetry protocol (and configuration protocol) of APM and other FCs. It has limited support in iNav and requires more bandwidth than the svelte LTM. It does however allow the use of other CGS and OSD. Mavlink one way telemetry is supported by Droid Planner 2 (Android)
I've lowered the bandwidth to 4800. I've used Droid Planner 2. I'm using UART1. Telemetry set to Mavlink. Have turned on telemetry in the Configuration Tab. Not working.
No idea sorry, haven't used iNav for a long time. Sounds like you're trying to use Ardupilot Mission Planner with iNav, I really doubt that would work well, if at all. I would try setting the 'Data' option to 'MSP' with the 'telemetry' option disabled, and just use the iNav configurator. The 3DR dongles are often 57600 baud by default, best to be certain of their speed before bothering to do anything further, that would have been shown in upper right when you were using them with the Cube.
@@iforce2d hello i did all the procedures you did but i can't activate the compass could you help me? could you send the parameters to me compare with what i'm doing thank you
By removing the resistor you are supposed to be able to power your servos directly from the board without using a BEC from the ESC. Could you pls verify that, because it would mean a few less wires. Thanks
I think I mentioned in these videos somewhere, but only the first connection (for rc input) is powered from the board. The other four connections have a common vcc rail but no power unless you connect an ESC/BEC. I would not trust the board power to run servos anyway, better to have a BEC that can supply a decent amount of current.
Sorry to bother , you surely have a better grasp of the things than i do, but there is this thread here: www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2874687-OMNIBUS-AIRBOT-F4-family-ESC_5V-Isolation that talks about it and I was wondering if it actually works. Thanks!
Just today searched for a solution like that and you showed up with the video ... do you think arduropilot will open their doors officially for that kind of FC boards? a step by step, how to do video also for windows user would be great Also some info about what boards can be used/recycled like old F1 naze32, ... Greatings from Germany keep on doing, i like your videos
I managed to compile and upload but not verify on Ubuntu 18.4 and Mint 18.4. I tried everything it just fails to verify upload with waf as if trows errors for some reason.. and omnibusf4pro cant connect over com port with MP afterwards so I guess didnt write it correctly. What version of Ubuntu you are using?
hello, I need your help !!! I followed your tutorial and installed on a card the same as yours, an ardupilot Omnibus F4 PRO firmware. the procedure went well, the GPS on the huart 3 works, but the receiver does not go (a FRSKY SBUS in D8 mode). the firmware you indicate, I can't find it (revo405): can you give me your precious advice? I thank you in advance.
I don't know what D8 means but maybe you would have more luck with PPM. In any case this video is a bit old now, these days there is better official support for these cheap boards. Get firmware from here (use 'stable'): firmware.ardupilot.org/ Boot loader flashing (only need to do once): ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-firmware-onto-chibios-only-boards.html Firmware flashing: ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-chibios-firmware-onto-pixhawk.html
You mentioned that you are going to use UART1 for telemetry, however since the SBUS-pin on the board is actually connected to UART1 at least RX is going to be quite busy. Is it possible share uart for telemetry and SBUS or did you miss the fact that they are connected? :)
I think I missed that they are connected. I could have sworn I had my radio working at the same time as having GPS working on that UART1 earlier though....
According to this, RC input is on PB8, UART1 is on PA9/PA10 and UART6 is on PC6/PC7. github.com/ArduPilot/ardupilot/blob/master/libraries/AP_HAL_ChibiOS/hwdef/omnibusf4pro/hwdef.dat I still don't get what removing that 'resistor' did or whether it was even necessary though...
With the board you have the ability to choose between using SBUS (UART1) or PPM (no UART). You do this by connecting the pin (via soldering) to either PPM or SBUS. In your case i guess it was already connected to both SBUS and PPM at the same time, and to have a clear UART1 that can be used for something else you need to remove the connection of the pin to SBUS. If you look at the comment for the PB8-pin you can see that they want you to remove the resistor connecting SBUS to the pin and instead use PPM. This makes the UART available for telemetry. If you don't remove the SBUS-resistor the reciever will interfere with the UART if you try to use it for something else :)
In other words, both PB8 and PA10 can be connected to the pin. You remove the connection to PA10 by removing that resistor and thus you have a free UART1. This does however mean that you have to use PPM (since SBUS requires an UART). If you are currently using SBUS and it works, then I think you might have removed the wrong resistor
I just double-checked and I can run the GPS on UART1 and sbus at the same time with no problems. I have not checked running UART1, UART6 and sbus at the same time though, I'll do that a little later. I think I understand what you're saying about the pins being physically connected and needing to be detached, and by that logic it should not work. But I'm wondering if you are thinking about all this from a Betaflight point of view? The default behavior for Ardupilot is that you can use ppm or sbus on the same pin without making any settings in the configurator - it self-detects the protocol being used. So perhaps Ardupilot is able to handle UART input on a pin that is not a real hardware UART.... ?
How many serial ports does that controller have? I've been looking at it myself with the intention of flashing it with ardupilot but the specs seem to suggest 2 serials, I need 3 so I can run GPS telemetry and osd.
Two accessible serials. As I showed at 3:48 it has integrated SD card and OSD on the bottom side. These are both now supported in Ardupilot. ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-osd-overview.html ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-firmware-onto-chibios-only-boards.html
@@iforce2d the integrated osd works? I must have been reading out of date documentation on it, the info I was reading said it wasent working on ardupilot yet, thankyou!!!
I have the Omnibus F4 V3 (non-pro). I successfully loaded the F4 V3 Pro version firmware on the controller but I cannot get the GPS to work. I have not made any wiring changes from my iNav configuration where the GPS worked perfectly. I am using UART3. Does anyone have any solution? The GPS locks properly but it shows GPS: No GPS in Mission Planner.
In the full parameters list, try changing the serial protocol for the UARTs to be GPS until you find which one you're plugged into. I forget the name of them, but if you type "proto" in the search field, this will find them. You'll need to reboot to have this change take effect. I don't think it's ever serial0 so leave that alone... usually it's serial 1 or serial 5 in my experience, I have not tried a non-pro board, but I suppose it would make no difference.
@@iforce2d Thanks for getting back to me. Here is an update: I've tried two different boards with same results. Then I discovered the culprit but I don't know what it means or how to resolve the problem. I unplugged my SBus receiver, FrSky x8r and, BINGO, the GPS came right up. Plugged receiver back in, No GPS again. I have my receiver using UART1 which worked perfectly with INAV. UPDATE: Upon further investigation I found this on the ArduPilot Wiki: "PPM solder pad/resistor should be soldered and “S-BUS” resistor/solder pad removed Otherwise, UART1 or UART6 or RCIN will not work." Also, GPS on UART3 won't work either.
Are you using the night_ghost build? I mentioned that in the video, he is pretty fast at implementing things but due to the stability issues reported I have decided to wait for the ChibiOS version to progress.
If you just want RTH for when you lose radio contact, not much. But if you're asking the broader question of what features does Ardupilot have over iNav, it's hard to know where to start. Ardupilot is not just for planes and multirotors, you can use it to control ground vehicles, boats, submarines, conventional helicopters, VTOL aircraft and even antenna trackers (personally, I bought this board to eventually use on an antenna tracker). You can find all the basic info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArduPilot But what I find to be the most important features would be: - ground station to view and control plane in flight, and make all settings wirelessly - remote logging via telemetry - good support for aerial mapping missions (terrain following, interaction with camera) - various other useful mission commands like DO_SERVO, not just waypoints - many many years more mature and well-tested platform If you were to expand the scope to all hardware and not just the board I have in this video, then Ardupilot is also capable of using multiple GPS, multiple IMU sensors for redundancy. Overall I think the plane flies more stably, holds altitude better, and tracks better in wind with Arduplane.
From a software perspective, ardupilot is robust and proven in industrial applications and iNav is much less used. Even if you only want RTH, Ardupilot can also to SmartRTH, Inav will fly in a line straight back to you, even if that line has a tree or hill in the way.
no, you need F4. And not just any F4. Check the firmware downloads in the docs here ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-chibios-firmware-onto-pixhawk.html
I had never heard of that board until you mentioned it, but looking over the specs just now it looks like there is no onboard OSD or voltage/current sensor. So your OSD and power sensing would need to be on separate boards, just a matter of convenience of wiring I guess. Price is not that different at $36 vs $48 so not really a big decision factor.
iforce2d actually the power module isn’t a big deal but now that you mentioned it I was forgetting about those new F4 boards having built in osd which is a huge deal for me. There’s a lot more wiring involved when having to add an MinimOSD or even Micro osd. So using this F4 with its built in osd imo is a huge plus.
cdn-global-hk.hobbyking.com/media/file/o/m/omnibus_f4_pro_v.2_-_quick_manual.pdf Under "Pin map", left hand side image, you can use either the connector labelled J25 or the connector labelled J24. In Ardupilot you may need to set the SERIAL_PROTOCOL to Mavlink for Serial1 or Serial5, I forget which is for which connector, try both I guess.
The night_ghost build does already, but he is using an entirely different codebase than the official Ardupilot, and apparently has some stability issues. But it looks like it shouldn't be too far away to have it in the official source as well. th-cam.com/video/LLDyIyrKOsg/w-d-xo.html
iforce2d the future sounds bright...the only reason I haven’t even put a pixracer in my small wings is because off all the extra crap that has to go along side it....inav will have to step it up soon.
Built this last week no problems. Did a pull from git today and now I'm getting this when i run ./waf configure --board omnibusf4pro. Error: Bad channel for PWM PB0 TIM1_CH2N TIM1 AF1 PWM1 chan_str=N
@@iforce2d I was thinking more on the reliability side, I know something like a F7 board would be more updated specs wise things like smart audio blheli 32 etc but for a bigger quad 500mm size would this new boards be the future?
Lol wow I think I lost 5 years of my life with this video.. I must have fallen asleep while watching some of your videos and it started on this one and the first couple set of them loud beeping sound scared the crap out of me because my phone is right beside my head but anyways I went back and watch the video again and I really need to get into this stuff
I so wanted to learn this stuff to make it happen on my boards as well but i got lost with the dfu-util program. This is everything else but easy by faaar. Well, i`m on windows too, maybe that`s the case. Anyway, just going to wait until someone figures it out how to load arduplane onto omnibus more human way.
Try this method maybe, less steps to go through :) th-cam.com/video/kmRq_y5MHqw/w-d-xo.html Docs have been updated recently too: ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-firmware-onto-chibios-only-boards.html
That`s really awesome. Got it working. Connected to mission planner and all. Now that`s what i am talking "more human way". I really appreciate your help here. Cheers!
If you just want RTH for when you lose radio contact, not much. But if you're asking the broader question of what features does Ardupilot have over iNav, it's hard to know where to start. Ardupilot is not just for planes and multirotors, you can use it to control ground vehicles, boats, submarines, conventional helicopters, VTOL aircraft and even antenna trackers (personally, I bought this board to eventually use on an antenna tracker). You can find all the basic info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArduPilot But what I find to be the most important features would be: - ground station to view and control plane in flight, and make all settings wirelessly - remote logging via telemetry - good support for aerial mapping missions (terrain following, interaction with camera) - various other useful mission commands like DO_SERVO, not just waypoints - many many years more mature and well-tested platform If you were to expand the scope to all hardware and not just the board I have in this video, then Ardupilot is also capable of using multiple GPS, multiple IMU sensors for redundancy. Overall I think the plane flies more stably, holds altitude better, and tracks better in wind with Arduplane.
If you get this GPS and compass module it has the combined connector and depending on the pinout should plug straight in - www.gearbest.com/rc-quadcopter-parts/pp_1693357.html?wid=1433363
Hi, I just started to have my f4 v2 board with arduplane setup but I'm not sure if I can use traditional receiver Pwm on this board and where to connect the pwm wire to the board and how to setting up the arduplane.
I forgot to mention you will need to set BATT_MONITOR to 4 (and reboot) to enable the voltage and current sensor.
ardupilot.org/copter/docs/parameters.html#batt-monitor-battery-monitoring
I have done this setup on my omnibus f4 pro like u have but my horizon is inverted in roll axsis how to revert it
I think there must be a Command For it,
@@TanM can u pps tell me the command for that
Is it possible to connect a telemetry radio such as the RFDesign 900X to the Omnibus F4?
Yes, you just need a UART available. The first UART will typically be used by GPS, but on these boards there is another one. Which connector it is on may need a little trial and error to find out, and you can change the value of the parameters SERIALx_PROTOCOL to assign the functionality you want (for telemetry it would be MAVLink1)
These days there is better official support for these cheap boards, the options I just mentioned will be set up already, and rather than doing what I did here you would be better off to get firmware from here (use 'stable'):
firmware.ardupilot.org/
Boot loader flashing (only need to do once):
ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-firmware-onto-chibios-only-boards.html
Firmware flashing:
ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-chibios-firmware-onto-pixhawk.html
btw if you have changed that little solder pad bridge to select full battery power on the video in/out + pins, double check that you're still getting only 5V on the UART connectors before connecting your telemetry/GPS. On one revision of these boards (v2.1) I found that changing that solder bridge gave me full battery power on the UART +ve pin too and I lost a cheapie telemetry radio module because of it. I would hate to see a pricey radio like the 900x get smoked!
@@iforce2d Thank you! I really appreciate you sharing all your knowledge and coming out with all these great videos
@@rctestflight likewise buddy - I was watching your videos before I even knew what a lipo was :)
Very cool, looking forward to the flight video. I'm getting so many ideas for "mini" autonomous planes now that we're getting Pixhawk(+) like performance out of these tiny boards...
I have the OB F4 V2.1 board from Banggood, this has product number 1143258 and is labelled V2.1. Your board appears to be the V2 board which has different component layout around the SBUS resistor and I think UART (inverted?) differences. I use INAV and both the SD card and OSD are working.
Thanks, as always, iforce2d. Your videos are excellent.
FYI -- you don't need to use remote desktop for Mission Planner. It works really well under Mono.
ah, good to know. I have always had trouble with anything using serial ports under Wine, they work for quite a while and then the connection drops. In any case I already have all my MP stuff on that windows laptop so I can take it outside with me. I almost never use it at my desk.
Really well ! Not like that it's working +/-, it's still mono and c# not native linux. There is some bugs and it's pretty slow. Better yo use qgroundcontrol
Great info! Has anyone gotten serial telemetry working with these? I'm using a standard serial data modem. I'm getting data like attitude, altitude, GPS position, but the parameters are failing to load.
Hi Daniel, do you mean the parameters can't be set/changed? I have a serial modem on one of my planes with the omnibus f4 pro, and I have noticed that it's damn near impossible to change parameters while flying (maybe one in 20 or so attempts will succeed), even though the position data is being updated smoothly. But I can change parameters via the modem just fine when the plane is not flying. I never thought too much about it since I rarely change parameters in flight, but perhaps it is some kind of bug... seems odd though, if the position data is coming in the link should be ok.
I know the modems are ok because I have used them with other FCs (revo-mini and Radiolink MiniPix) and I was able to change parameters in flight with those.
@@iforce2d I'm getting all the live data just fine but it seems as though the Omnibus is not responding to the GCS's request to send parameters. I'm not able to view or change parameters at any time. Seems like maybe the TX is working but not the RX? As it can't receive parameter request? I've tried this with multiple modems so pretty confident its an omnibus problem
@@rctestflight I have the same problem. I get stuck at "getting parameters"... Did you ever solve this problem?
edit: I desoldered one resistor as described here www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2798125-Omnibus-F4-AIO-PRO-V2-ppm-receiver-not-talking-to-flight-controller/page2 now all the parameters come in (I am using ppm for rc). :)
That is the board I'm trying to use on the follow me quad. Nice board
Love your informative videos, please keep them coming.
I have ppm receiver it wasn't working before but after i removed that resistor u tslked about its working i think u definitely have to remove that resistor in order to work sbus/ ppm receiver
Hoping your USB reg doesn't burn out like 2 boards I had!
Also the upper DFU switch top separated on one board. A normal pushbutton or jumper would be better.
Great video! Do you have a video explaining how to set up either smartport or mavlink telemetry on this board? I am having a tough time finding info on this
Flight Therapy **BullisticFPV** I’m wondering the same thing. Have you found anything?
masha Allah fantastic work brother, very interested in this setup, looking forward how far this can go, good luck
This will be amazing when osd and SD card finally work
They are working now: ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-osd-overview.html
And how do you mission plan while flying? Like you cannot have the USB all the time.
I planned using 433 telemetry with ordinal 2.4 fs-ia6b, for manual take off and then activate autopitol, if possible activate from the PC not the controller, cuz it has lower range.
So I could change plans in flight, would appreciate the help.
I have installed Arduplane (fixed wing) on an Omnibus F4Pro Flight Controller, linked via FrSky X8R Rx to my Taranis X9D Plus. While sitting on the bench I am testing the various flight modes and they switch properly. My question is when I am in manual mode w/ 50% throttle and I switch to Cruise mode the motor stops - is this normal behavior on the bench? I am nervous to test it in the air as I am not sure what the response will be.
Yes I think so. It seems to know when it's really flying or not. Seems to also cut the throttle automatically after a crash too. But generally speaking, with any new mode just be ready to quickly switch back to manual immediately if something goes wrong and I don't see that it would be a serious problem even if settings are not quite right.
Hello i like your video's very much.but i have 1 question do you know how to vtail in arduplane? Or do you have a video about it.i just cant get it right. Change servo to vtail right and left (SERVO 2 AND 4 )But no Luck also reverse no Luck .I have a normal plane and is easy to set up with omnibus f4 pro v2. But vtail i cant get it right hope you can help or a link for video sould be very Nice. Also been reading all docs on Ardu site no luck. Best regards René
I’m planing to get same setup like yours but I’m new to this stuff can you please make a full arduplane setting video tutorial ?
If you look at my video uploads around this time I think I have probably covered it at some point.
What application are you using to run windows (mission planner) on mac? This looks like a great project!
I'm using remote desktop on my Linux machine, Mission Planner is running on my Windows laptop.
Hi iforce2d Just wondering why you use a compass for planes if apparently you don't need one according to some.
BTW great vids
These days I often don't bother. But this video was partially about testing Adupilot in general on this new hardware, so I was trying all the sensors I had (compass would be necessary for multirotor)
Do you have any advice for getting an esc to calibrate in arduplane? I have been trying to get an arduplane build going for a year or so and I can never get the esc/motor to make any noise. If I go to iNav everything works fine. I use normally a Matek F405 FC.
You could try decreasing the 'min' value for the throttle channel on the Servo Output page (under Initial setup, Mandatory Hardware). The default is 1100 which might be a little high for some ESCs, and they will not interpret it as a throttle low position. If an ESC gives me this problem I usually set that value to 1000.
@@iforce2d I have tried between 900 and 1100 and had no luck. Any other ideas?
@@sams9716 you changed the trim value too right? I've never had any problems with 1000, 1000, 1900 for min, trim, max.
@@iforce2d The trim value in the radio?
Hi, good this vidéo, but why are you using a compass magnetic sensor module ? Your Omnibus doesn't have one integrated inside ? Thank you
Correct, there is no onboard compass. Many of these boards don't include a compass because it's better to have the compass physically separated further away from the main body of the aircraft, up on a little tower with the GPS is usually the best place.
Ok thank you, i've found a GPS with compass included :
www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B07G1TXG2T/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A2G1LQ171LZBPF&psc=1
Hello sir, this is such a great idea from you because I am confused about this....can I use mission planner in sp racing f3 flight controller for quadcopter by flashing arducopter firmware to f3...??
Please reply to me sir, it really very important....
Hi. Just a small question. Is it possible to have 3RD dongle style telemetry radios to work with inav on F3 boards? I was trying to get this to work. Can't find any examples. I have used these radios and they work with a Cube. With iNav it's not working. Not sure on any settings. Not sure where to find the information and was wondering if you've done this.
Mavlink. Mavlink is the telemetry protocol (and configuration protocol) of APM and other FCs. It has limited support in iNav and requires more bandwidth than the svelte LTM. It does however allow the use of other CGS and OSD. Mavlink one way telemetry is supported by Droid Planner 2 (Android)
I've lowered the bandwidth to 4800. I've used Droid Planner 2. I'm using UART1. Telemetry set to Mavlink. Have turned on telemetry in the Configuration Tab. Not working.
No idea sorry, haven't used iNav for a long time. Sounds like you're trying to use Ardupilot Mission Planner with iNav, I really doubt that would work well, if at all. I would try setting the 'Data' option to 'MSP' with the 'telemetry' option disabled, and just use the iNav configurator. The 3DR dongles are often 57600 baud by default, best to be certain of their speed before bothering to do anything further, that would have been shown in upper right when you were using them with the Cube.
@@iforce2d hello i did all the procedures you did but i can't activate the compass could you help me? could you send the parameters to me compare with what i'm doing thank you
By removing the resistor you are supposed to be able to power your servos directly from the board without using a BEC from the ESC. Could you pls verify that, because it would mean a few less wires. Thanks
I think I mentioned in these videos somewhere, but only the first connection (for rc input) is powered from the board. The other four connections have a common vcc rail but no power unless you connect an ESC/BEC. I would not trust the board power to run servos anyway, better to have a BEC that can supply a decent amount of current.
Sorry to bother , you surely have a better grasp of the things than i do, but there is this thread here:
www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2874687-OMNIBUS-AIRBOT-F4-family-ESC_5V-Isolation
that talks about it and I was wondering if it actually works.
Thanks!
Just today searched for a solution like that and you showed up with the video ... do you think arduropilot will open their doors officially for that kind of FC boards?
a step by step, how to do video also for windows user would be great
Also some info about what boards can be used/recycled like old F1 naze32, ...
Greatings from Germany keep on doing, i like your videos
Yes, this is running the official ardupilot code.
I managed to compile and upload but not verify on Ubuntu 18.4 and Mint 18.4.
I tried everything it just fails to verify upload with waf as if trows errors for some reason.. and omnibusf4pro cant connect over com port with MP afterwards so I guess didnt write it correctly. What version of Ubuntu you are using?
16.04, although I think that is probably not relevant :)
I am using omnibus f4 v3 and the external Compass not working, any clue?
Me too. I don't know what to do
hello, I need your help !!! I followed your tutorial and installed on a card the same as yours, an ardupilot Omnibus F4 PRO firmware. the procedure went well, the GPS on the huart 3 works, but the receiver does not go (a FRSKY SBUS in D8 mode). the firmware you indicate, I can't find it (revo405): can you give me your precious advice? I thank you in advance.
I don't know what D8 means but maybe you would have more luck with PPM. In any case this video is a bit old now, these days there is better official support for these cheap boards.
Get firmware from here (use 'stable'):
firmware.ardupilot.org/
Boot loader flashing (only need to do once):
ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-firmware-onto-chibios-only-boards.html
Firmware flashing:
ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-chibios-firmware-onto-pixhawk.html
@@iforce2d thanks!!!!!!
You mentioned that you are going to use UART1 for telemetry, however since the SBUS-pin on the board is actually connected to UART1 at least RX is going to be quite busy. Is it possible share uart for telemetry and SBUS or did you miss the fact that they are connected? :)
I think I missed that they are connected. I could have sworn I had my radio working at the same time as having GPS working on that UART1 earlier though....
According to this, RC input is on PB8, UART1 is on PA9/PA10 and UART6 is on PC6/PC7.
github.com/ArduPilot/ardupilot/blob/master/libraries/AP_HAL_ChibiOS/hwdef/omnibusf4pro/hwdef.dat
I still don't get what removing that 'resistor' did or whether it was even necessary though...
With the board you have the ability to choose between using SBUS (UART1) or PPM (no UART). You do this by connecting the pin (via soldering) to either PPM or SBUS. In your case i guess it was already connected to both SBUS and PPM at the same time, and to have a clear UART1 that can be used for something else you need to remove the connection of the pin to SBUS. If you look at the comment for the PB8-pin you can see that they want you to remove the resistor connecting SBUS to the pin and instead use PPM. This makes the UART available for telemetry. If you don't remove the SBUS-resistor the reciever will interfere with the UART if you try to use it for something else :)
In other words, both PB8 and PA10 can be connected to the pin. You remove the connection to PA10 by removing that resistor and thus you have a free UART1. This does however mean that you have to use PPM (since SBUS requires an UART). If you are currently using SBUS and it works, then I think you might have removed the wrong resistor
I just double-checked and I can run the GPS on UART1 and sbus at the same time with no problems. I have not checked running UART1, UART6 and sbus at the same time though, I'll do that a little later. I think I understand what you're saying about the pins being physically connected and needing to be detached, and by that logic it should not work. But I'm wondering if you are thinking about all this from a Betaflight point of view? The default behavior for Ardupilot is that you can use ppm or sbus on the same pin without making any settings in the configurator - it self-detects the protocol being used. So perhaps Ardupilot is able to handle UART input on a pin that is not a real hardware UART.... ?
How many serial ports does that controller have? I've been looking at it myself with the intention of flashing it with ardupilot but the specs seem to suggest 2 serials, I need 3 so I can run GPS telemetry and osd.
Two accessible serials. As I showed at 3:48 it has integrated SD card and OSD on the bottom side. These are both now supported in Ardupilot. ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-osd-overview.html
ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-firmware-onto-chibios-only-boards.html
@@iforce2d the integrated osd works? I must have been reading out of date documentation on it, the info I was reading said it wasent working on ardupilot yet, thankyou!!!
How do you set an osd? Do you need a minimOSD, and how/ where do you connect it?Thanks
ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-osd-overview.html
I have the Omnibus F4 V3 (non-pro). I successfully loaded the F4 V3 Pro version firmware on the controller but I cannot get the GPS to work. I have not made any wiring changes from my iNav configuration where the GPS worked perfectly. I am using UART3. Does anyone have any solution? The GPS locks properly but it shows GPS: No GPS in Mission Planner.
In the full parameters list, try changing the serial protocol for the UARTs to be GPS until you find which one you're plugged into. I forget the name of them, but if you type "proto" in the search field, this will find them. You'll need to reboot to have this change take effect. I don't think it's ever serial0 so leave that alone... usually it's serial 1 or serial 5 in my experience, I have not tried a non-pro board, but I suppose it would make no difference.
ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-telemetry-port-setup-for-apm-px4-and-pixhawk.html
@@iforce2d Thanks for getting back to me. Here is an update: I've tried two different boards with same results. Then I discovered the culprit but I don't know what it means or how to resolve the problem. I unplugged my SBus receiver, FrSky x8r and, BINGO, the GPS came right up. Plugged receiver back in, No GPS again. I have my receiver using UART1 which worked perfectly with INAV.
UPDATE: Upon further investigation I found this on the ArduPilot Wiki:
"PPM solder pad/resistor should be soldered and “S-BUS” resistor/solder pad removed Otherwise, UART1 or UART6 or RCIN will not work."
Also, GPS on UART3 won't work either.
Excellent!!
OSD works on mine. Also SD card logging works, but with some cards the board freezes after a while
Are you using the night_ghost build? I mentioned that in the video, he is pretty fast at implementing things but due to the stability issues reported I have decided to wait for the ChibiOS version to progress.
Yep, the night_ghost build. Following these instructions: www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3070417&goto=newpost
Can you please send me wiring up diagrams of 3 axis compass with gps
What are the advantages over iNav?
If you just want RTH for when you lose radio contact, not much. But if you're asking the broader question of what features does Ardupilot have over iNav, it's hard to know where to start. Ardupilot is not just for planes and multirotors, you can use it to control ground vehicles, boats, submarines, conventional helicopters, VTOL aircraft and even antenna trackers (personally, I bought this board to eventually use on an antenna tracker). You can find all the basic info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArduPilot
But what I find to be the most important features would be:
- ground station to view and control plane in flight, and make all settings wirelessly
- remote logging via telemetry
- good support for aerial mapping missions (terrain following, interaction with camera)
- various other useful mission commands like DO_SERVO, not just waypoints
- many many years more mature and well-tested platform
If you were to expand the scope to all hardware and not just the board I have in this video, then Ardupilot is also capable of using multiple GPS, multiple IMU sensors for redundancy.
Overall I think the plane flies more stably, holds altitude better, and tracks better in wind with Arduplane.
From a software perspective, ardupilot is robust and proven in industrial applications and iNav is much less used. Even if you only want RTH, Ardupilot can also to SmartRTH, Inav will fly in a line straight back to you, even if that line has a tree or hill in the way.
can i do the same with my f3 flight controller. please help
no, you need F4. And not just any F4. Check the firmware downloads in the docs here
ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-chibios-firmware-onto-pixhawk.html
Doesn’t the pixhawk mini do just about the same. I purchased one for $48 with gps and power modules
I had never heard of that board until you mentioned it, but looking over the specs just now it looks like there is no onboard OSD or voltage/current sensor. So your OSD and power sensing would need to be on separate boards, just a matter of convenience of wiring I guess. Price is not that different at $36 vs $48 so not really a big decision factor.
iforce2d actually the power module isn’t a big deal but now that you mentioned it I was forgetting about those new F4 boards having built in osd which is a huge deal for me. There’s a lot more wiring involved when having to add an MinimOSD or even Micro osd. So using this F4 with its built in osd imo is a huge plus.
how to wire up a 3dr telemetry to Omnibus F4 Pro v2?
cdn-global-hk.hobbyking.com/media/file/o/m/omnibus_f4_pro_v.2_-_quick_manual.pdf
Under "Pin map", left hand side image, you can use either the connector labelled J25 or the connector labelled J24. In Ardupilot you may need to set the SERIAL_PROTOCOL to Mavlink for Serial1 or Serial5, I forget which is for which connector, try both I guess.
wouldnt it be awesome if ardupilot could use the onboard osd chips a lot of the f4 boards....
The night_ghost build does already, but he is using an entirely different codebase than the official Ardupilot, and apparently has some stability issues. But it looks like it shouldn't be too far away to have it in the official source as well. th-cam.com/video/LLDyIyrKOsg/w-d-xo.html
iforce2d the future sounds bright...the only reason I haven’t even put a pixracer in my small wings is because off all the extra crap that has to go along side it....inav will have to step it up soon.
OSD and SD logging are working now: ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-osd-overview.html
Hi. Do you think its possible to connect a spektrum satellite?
nevermind.. asked to soon :) great video, Thanks
no, they are different radio systems
Can this work for copter, rover etc or just planes?
should be fine for copter too, although I have not tried it myself
Built this last week no problems. Did a pull from git today and now I'm getting this when i run ./waf configure --board omnibusf4pro.
Error: Bad channel for PWM PB0 TIM1_CH2N TIM1 AF1 PWM1 chan_str=N
wrong branch
Actually the night-ghost fork and ardupilot main branch are broken for omnibusf4pro
The fix github.com/ArduPilot/ardupilot/pull/8597
What is the voltage of the GPS, 5v or 3.3V
Midnight Mike iirc either is ok
Can you use like 2 or more GPS's with like andurino so the andurino will average the values and give you a lot more accurate position ?
It won't give you a much more accurate position because the gps should give the same amount of error, more than 1 gps is for redundancy.
If its a clone it doesn't have mpu 6000 sensor on it
how dows this compare to a pixhawk ?
If you mean technical specs, I'm sure you can find the specs of each online. If you mean something else, let me know exactly what
@@iforce2d I was thinking more on the reliability side, I know something like a F7 board would be more updated specs wise things like smart audio blheli 32 etc but for a bigger quad 500mm size would this new boards be the future?
are you sure IBUS is working? if so how
sbus, not ibus
did you get full 10 channels or just 8?
what kind of jtag programmer you have use?
I actually don't even know what that is... I mentioned the uploading procedure at about 5:41
ok, but you have done it with usb cable o sd card
Lol wow I think I lost 5 years of my life with this video.. I must have fallen asleep while watching some of your videos and it started on this one and the first couple set of them loud beeping sound scared the crap out of me because my phone is right beside my head but anyways I went back and watch the video again and I really need to get into this stuff
I so wanted to learn this stuff to make it happen on my boards as well but i got lost with the dfu-util program. This is everything else but easy by faaar. Well, i`m on windows too, maybe that`s the case. Anyway, just going to wait until someone figures it out how to load arduplane onto omnibus more human way.
Try this method maybe, less steps to go through :)
th-cam.com/video/kmRq_y5MHqw/w-d-xo.html
Docs have been updated recently too:
ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-loading-firmware-onto-chibios-only-boards.html
That`s really awesome. Got it working. Connected to mission planner and all. Now that`s what i am talking "more human way". I really appreciate your help here. Cheers!
What version of linux do you use ?
Fedora XFCE
will this connect via Mavlink.
yes th-cam.com/video/1PBAtcs0_YQ/w-d-xo.html
What’s the benefit over inav?
If you just want RTH for when you lose radio contact, not much. But if you're asking the broader question of what features does Ardupilot have over iNav, it's hard to know where to start. Ardupilot is not just for planes and multirotors, you can use it to control ground vehicles, boats, submarines, conventional helicopters, VTOL aircraft and even antenna trackers (personally, I bought this board to eventually use on an antenna tracker). You can find all the basic info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArduPilot
But what I find to be the most important features would be:
- ground station to view and control plane in flight, and make all settings wirelessly
- remote logging via telemetry
- good support for aerial mapping missions (terrain following, interaction with camera)
- various other useful mission commands like DO_SERVO, not just waypoints
- many many years more mature and well-tested platform
If you were to expand the scope to all hardware and not just the board I have in this video, then Ardupilot is also capable of using multiple GPS, multiple IMU sensors for redundancy.
Overall I think the plane flies more stably, holds altitude better, and tracks better in wind with Arduplane.
iforce2d cool thanks for the detail reply
how to flashback to inav?
the same way you originally flashed iNav
If you get this GPS and compass module it has the combined connector and depending on the pinout should plug straight in - www.gearbest.com/rc-quadcopter-parts/pp_1693357.html?wid=1433363
Beat me to it 😀
I like the number E 😅
Hi, I just started to have my f4 v2 board with arduplane setup but I'm not sure if I can use traditional receiver Pwm on this board and where to connect the pwm wire to the board and how to setting up the arduplane.
You need a receiver with either PPM or SBUS output.
So I can't use pwm receiver? What about dsmx?