ATS Diesel Clean Diesel Discussion: Episode 2 - DPF & After-Treatment
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- In this video, Clint Cannon, President of ATS, goes over exactly how a DPF system works and how ATS is able to maintain longevity of the system even under high horsepower levels of 600-800hp with all emissions intact.
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You've just explained to me why I need to put more money into my 7.3 PowerStroke instead of buying a new truck!
Thank God I don't have emissions bullshit where I live. When I bought my new truck this whole restrictive ass horsepower robbing money pit was the first thing to go. Now as it's intended use, t's now a permanent anchor behind my shop.
Excellent video! Thank you!
I don’t have a problem with the emissions system, I have a problem with the unrealistic count down mandated by the epa. If something goes wrong, I will fix it, that being said it may not be with in 150 miles! I need to get home first! Unfortunately the countdown left me stranded and I had to delete the entire system. Shame on the EPA for the countdown till 5mph!
If there’s so many engineering and it works like charm why aren’t the army , airlines and navi equipped with it ? Why EPA wants just us to obey with this ? And if we have to have it and new vehicles comes with it why dealership won’t warranty it passed couple miles ?
Thank you so much for articulating in great detail. My 2016 3500 Ram is 100% clogged. I need to clean my dpf.
Great video! Thanks for the education.
Excellent video
Thank god we have 2 companies That Have put in the Time and Effort So we can do this Right.
Thank you!
ATS&Banks.
Gale banks, and ATS to only two companies I would trust for a modern diesel pickup.
Awesome Instructor 🫡
This is an excellent video for all to watch. Now I even more understand why all these filters should be removed from a diesel system. One day the King's ransom will come to an end.
I commend you for taking this issue head on in order to make our diesels better in the future!!!
Thanks Jack! We hear you but there are plenty of reasons to leave them on. For example our 17’ Ford 6.7L putting down 700rwhp yesterday with all emissions intact, and 60k miles without an issue. We appreciate your feedback!
How dare you steal my childhood...how dare you !!!
@@georgec6228 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for making these! I drive a 2002 and someday it may be forced on me to add this shit, so it is good to at least semi understand it. I also enjoy seeing aftermarket upgrades coming out, gives me hope for the future. I love the environment, and I have zero issues making my truck cleaner. But the rules need to be fair and the products need to exist to do it...
You guys are real experts. Impressive knowledge. But i have an advice for you. Make the titles for your videos more understandable, just write "DPF and after-treatment explained" or something simple like that. You'll get at least 10 times more views.
Great way to explain it!!! Thanks!! I would much rather have a truck that doesn't smoke.
No one will convince me that emissions control is a good thing
thank yoy soo much the video. i learned s lot.
I appreciate your well explained this exhaust system, your video is the. "BEST" I have watched, solid pro. Thank You very much.
Excellent explication. Nice video
That thing looks like it belongs on a space shuttle!
Right? Our trucks would be $15,000 cheaper from the dealership if it weren’t for all this extra mandated emissions equipment
Awesome!!
You did a hell of a job explaining, but makes me want to buy an 06 ram.
Cures me of ever wanting to get rid of my low mile, loaded, clean 06 5.9 Ram…
Well done, thank you. So it appears that the biggest problem in the system is the DPF, and that is the least polluting portion of the system. I have wondered about just having cartridges you pull out, dump the spot in the trash and put back in.
Big semi trucks have those.. but they simply remove um and pressure clean um! We need this for small trucks!
@@d0uble_Oyes yes yes! Putting clamps on it as demonstrated is the next best thing.
This is what happens when the EPA has a company by the balls😂
If you want to see what that would look like take a look at the companies under EPA enforcement. We are growing just fine selling legal products.
my DPF is starting too loosen up. It might fall off here soon lol
I have had the same thought about the serviceability of the DPF. I could never understand why they didnt make it removable so it could be cleaned and serviced.
To charge more money, I’m planning on seeing a muffler shop to see if they can weld the flanges.
so the dealers and ford itself make more monay!! 💰
I can't find those weld in flanges for servicing the dpf filter anywhere online or on your sight. Im interested in them, where can I find them?!
Cool ideas for sure, but a large portion of us that buy diesels like to hear them and smell that good smell in the morning too. I honestly don’t find diesels nearly as cool when they drive and sound like an electric car
Awesome job!!!!! Great explanation!!
thankyou
When do you think this mod to the DPF welding the flanges, so one can remove the DPF for cleaning, I'm very interested in this?
What is able to be done for the 07.5 cummins without the scr? All I see stuff for is the 13+...Also, can a dual fueler, compound set up be tuned the same way on the old 6.7 as is done on the new 6.7 and not increase nox and soot loading? Not looking for high, high horsepower, around 500 or so is the goal.
I've cut open a few dpfs and parts were melted. They can also be damaged.
Can your shop work on making flanges for the diesel trucks?
, so I did the force regeneration and I’m still getting a code that the dpf is full. On the scan tool it says the dpf percentage is 512%. Could this be a faulty sensor or is it really full
I appreciate the impressive engineering here, but I'd still rather see a $500 annual "vehicle enthusiast carbon permit" because 200,000 people burning diesel in an open pit instead of driving thier heavily tuned trucks will still be less polluting than the Amazon and Walmart shopping an equivalent number of people do annually, buying everything from heavy pollutant countries is apparently fine with the EPA. All the unrestricted diesel enthusiasts in the world combined would still not add up to .01% of what emissions seaborne transport just to the USA creates annually, not even including the actual production of the goods on those ships🤦♂️
Reference my questions Lindsey Angell…I am looking at purchasing a Ford F250 King Ranch, 6.7 L High Output…
Ok so is the serviceable DPF available for 2019 6.7 powerstoke ? And what's the cost ?
I’ve read the comments stating how good this is, just wait until you’re hit with a $7k bill to replace the DPF/SCR. Or how the EGR destroys your engine after about 85k-120k miles.
Cheapest option is to either not buy a diesel, or do a delete.
yes recyleing the engine soot back to the intake is like eating your own shit Wont live long Garrey
I am not a fan of new diesel trucks. I don't care how nice they are in the inside its not work the monthly payment and the maintenance required to keep it running right. My 2006 Duramax LBZ is the work truck version and has no bells or whistle on the inside which is fine by me. All emission has been removed and the truck runs how a diesel should no restrictions. When the time comes for a rebuild I will pay for that still cheaper by far than a new truck plus old trucks are proven, these new trucks I doubt will make it 20 plus years without something major.
@@dustinryan9671 honestly won’t even make it past 5 years.
Mine was a 2017 and engine blew at 61k+ miles….
Buddy is a diesel mechanic and he says the same thing, never buying a newer diesel.
I honestly wouldn’t even do a delete because the risk of getting caught/dined is to high.
@@testicular-cancer I understand about deleting is not for everyone but I live in a fly over state with no emissions checks or anyone really caring about black smoke plus I never roll coal anyways 🤣.
@@dustinryan9671 so do I, but even still, state troopers are pulling over trucks everywhere and still getting fined for it. It’s happened to two people I know. Although, they do roll coal, so they were asking for it essentially.
With the filter...
What causes a malfunction? Is there anything I could do to fix it?
I've got my 2014 Ram 3500hd cummins the wife filled with gasoline.
I got everything cleaned out and running great but now getting the alert the filter is 100% filled.
Another alert now is going in limp mode in a few miles. Need to take to dealer for DEF repair.
With the gasoline going through crap and now getting these alerts, am I pretty well screwed and about to be paying up close to the 10,000$ to repair this truck?
Does ATS have service centers to go to…using two turbos, one regular and one larger one…to legally and efficiently increase engine longivity…ARB Head bolts…etc?
so how do we tear down and clean ?
keep talking, makes the value of my early 07 ram go higher. :)
I have 2008 F 350 6.4 can you do that to a particular for filter for this truck
Is there anyway to upgrade the dpf and aftertreatment system (like make it bigger, more flow filter) or no, or are y'all working on that?
Bullydog dpf
I modified Cummins 2.8 DPF with V-Band clamp and can now very easilly replace inner element 3rd of the price of cleaning 1/8 price of replacement.IAus
Great video. I have a 2013 Ram diesel with only 50k miles on it. At around 30k it started giving me messages to have the DEF system serviced. After a while the messages go away and come back regularly. On my vacation a warning came on that in 300 miles the 15mph cripple will happen. I drove on and after a few of these messages they stopped and I continued on my 2500 mile vacation trip. I want to delete my truck and reprogram the computer. However after watching your video it seems that instead of removing and replacing the exhaust system, I could just drill out the DPF. What do you think?
Nope. ECU will notice the lack of back pressure at the DPF and cripple you. You could stealth delete by drilling it out and changing tuning.
From everything I have been around the dpf is 1st then the scr where there def fluud is injected as I do not think you can add def fluid to a dpf. The dpf gets fuel to clean the dpf then goes to scr(secondary catalyst reduction)
Who has the cleanest tunes for a 6.7 cummins
So soot is unburned fuel ??
I'll be following along. Thank you for sharing. I've tuned smelly older diesels for years. I added a 2020 powerstroke as my new daily and I enjoy the quietness, smoothness and clean exhaust. I plan to do my own tuning once out of warranty and leaving emmissions intact and appreciate some of the tips on tuning and properly setting up an engine to maintain the emissions equipment and not impacting soot loading and reliability. I imagine eventually we will see the day of 1000hp emissions intact trucks possibly with an aftermarket dpf etc.
Delete your truck now. Black smoke forever!
So to get cleaner air our diesels burn more fuel by about 3 mpg and then you have to run it up to another 30 minutes periodically just to complete regeneration. Has anyone tested this in real world?
Ever since they started this diesel particulate filter, the mileage has gone to shit. This is all a bunch of crap that costs the American consumer bunches!
I have a clogged dpf on a 2008 6.7 Cummins, what’s you’re thoughts on using cataclean vs taking it off and cleaning the dpf?
I have same truck same problem. What did you end up doing with yours
Shop said they can replace it for around 9,000 dollars or delete it for 2300. I wanna just clean it if that's possible
Last summer I was towing my boat and looked in the passenger mirror and there was slight black smoke coming out the back I was slowly loosing boost. I pulled off the road had my pops come grab the boat, after an hour with the truck sitting there I fired it back up and it was still the same I took off and drove the truck back to his place about 10 miles away I was rolling coal on a stock truck. I had an injector that was stuck open that’s why I was rolling coal not a bad turbo. I had gotten the exhaust manifold hot and it warped. I took off the exhaust system as well it wasn’t too bad to do and cleaned it with a vacuum and air compressor and then a dpf liquid cleaner. Bad turbo = white smoke, lack of boost = warped exhaust manifold, you may have a crack in the honey comb in your dpf system. What’s your truck acting like? The mechanic charged me $1,300 to get the exhaust manifold redone with new gaskets.
Is serviceable DPF available yet for the 6.7 Powerstroke?
I have the same question. Was this question ever answered?
Is there anyone on here that could help me answer 9 questions for an aftertreatment test?
Now that you have me onboard to forgoing a delete, I just have to figure out how Ill get my hands on your allison trans before I do anything or this 68rfe will bust as soon as I add any HP dammit
That’s Exactly what I’m thinking and going to try to do.
So much money though.. I want to pay cash, I don’t like debt.
Any luck? 2 years later.
I want the new dpf removable filter please
Hopefully a very "high quality" light weight replacment filter hits the market one day. A test filter or something🤣
Ok
can any one tell me parpiculate hole size is and what the tread size the old one twisted off ??? please help me THANK
I wonder if that would really work or if it’ll give some malfunction code.
What if you just put a hole in the DPF so it never truly builds up?
Knock the guts out, like an old cat.
youd still have to tune it out . Modern trucks have pressure sensors looking for that backpressure difference caused by the filter.
engineer for econmy cleans up the soot
Imagine if these were serviceable from the factory. If individual components were all just flanged or V-clamped together it would be so easy to clean out or replace parts.
But no f the customers right?
what an amazing piece of technology that isn't on a truck
They have lawsuits out trying to get this thing off because of the damage it’s causing to the atmosphere
So a BANKS added OBD System is not a great idea?
Yes. My heavily modded 5.9 is smelly and loud. My 2021 6.7 Ram is much nicer.
When they get to the point that the catalytic converter gets to, ill go back to a clean diesel
I have 96 freightliner I need ATS all the system can You told me it's a kid can install
So yes you keep all the emissions systems intact but would a fully outfitted truck producing 800 hp realy pass emissions, on top of that your saying that you will have to service them more if you tune them because your will be useing more fuel and soot loading them
Crown Lifestylist our 2015 running 650-700hp just passed emissions in Colorado with .01% opacity. We are installing all the testing equipment to begin emissions testing in house. 800hp is the top end of where you will see some soot loading. As with most high horsepower vehicles there are some trades off at the highest power levels and can be turned up and down accordingly depending on application. Go up to 800hp for the track, maybe knock it down to 650-700hp to tow and DD. Again, let’s remember they are ZERO other legal options like this on the market.
@@ATSDieselPerformance how about mpg numbers wouldn't the draw of such horsepower drain fuel, and what about your transmission, your transmission you sell some to be more of a reliable replacement for stock horsepower do your rfe 68 transmission have the ability to handle 800 horsepower?
Crown Lifestylist If you drive it with your foot to the floor using all that power all the time you will see lower mpg. Yes we have transmission modifications that will hold 800hp. We have a full video series on all the upgrades we do to the 68rfe. Please stay tuned for more videos that go in depth into the 68 valve body. Thank you for your interest!
@@ATSDieselPerformance omg, you guys are amazing, and you provide information and clarification in detail for anyone who wants it! Wich is more then you can say for alot of companies thank you
I could deal with a 100,000 mile service interval, although not fantastic having to spend a grand to service the exhaust, its the EGR that is the thorn in my side. Putting raw exhaust back into the intake is a deal breaker. Why not run ALL of the exhaust through....well, the exhaust! Running an EGR to me with the so-called advances they are making these days, its not well thought out. EGR's strip life from a Diesel engine.
That is the part that I cant get past either... Just can't talk me into forcing that crap back in the intake being ok.
Believe it or not it cools the engine combustion thus reducing nox. Is it an power robber? Of course. Is it bad for the engine? I guess that is debatable, cooling the combustion chamber might be helpful for longevity. Will it clog and be a pain in the ass? Yup.
@@jeffreygoss8109 also introducing soot to your intake, building up on the valves, etc.
in no way is it good for your engine and there’s far better ways to “cool the combustion chamber”.
There’s a reason why custom high horsepower builds do no such thing. It’s basically shitting where you eat.
Don't like that they put the SCR between nthe DOC and DPF.
The DOC can burn the injected diesel and help the DPF to regenerate so it should be just before the DPF. And the injector to the Urea would not get soot on it of it was after. Plus the Heat from the regeneration help prevent small crystal build-up happen in the SCR and around the Urea injector
I guess this video is why I'll most likely be spending the cash on head studs new injectors and a built transmission for my EFI live set up 08.5 dodge 6.7 VS buying a new truck that is nothing but emotions I mean emissions headaches .
So it short it takes large smoke particles and burns it into smaller particles but still the same particles lol.
Cummins has a better design putting the SCR down stream from the DPF
It’s not a mystery that it cost money over and over again
Nice video, but I don't want to reduce my nox or hc's though.
Thank you Skylar! Why don’t you want to reduce your NOx?
step 1 .... buy tune step 2. take it off and throw it away!
I have 1 million miles on mt dpf clean them with muratic acid that kills the ash never back them
I use that shit to clean my pool filters so I’ll give it a shot. Do you soak it in a diluted solution?
Did he really say Cadallatic converter? Hummmmm...
You said the EGR its your friend just for keep doing business you know that's is BS
Paul, when you burn the fuel clean enough EGR is cleaner and has much less negative impact than soot loading it. It’s not BS it’s called fuel atomization and increased airflow.
@@ATSDieselPerformance , whatever, clean tune its a factory tune and the egr and egr cooler clogged around 70,000 miles, second all that exhaust gases enter to ours intake manifold without filtering you know i respect your company but please don't make this kind of videos saying what other people want to said because no one in the live create a machine to be self-destruct. I know its a new era we need to used all that kind off stuff buts that's no mean in any circumstance its healthy to the Engine.
Paul Otero in this new era we have to play by the rules. Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, these are the parameters we have to work within. It’s not our first choice by any means but we will continue to strive to make legal power solutions for our customers. Thank you for your comments!
The engine killer.
Cleaning the filter only gives you 75% after. And you clean it again you only get 50%. This EPA bullshit is actually killing the engine.
Cool story bro but I think I’ll stick to a straight pipe lol
Same here!!
Until you get pulled into a random roving EPA smog dyno and get a massive fine. It sucks but it is happening in many areas and coming to more areas.
@@anthonyca hahaha calm down bro I don’t live in Comifornia I live in a free state, I drive a DOT vehicle for work with a trailer and all I get is complements from the feds 😂
Step 1... drive new truck off lot. Step 2.... delete and tune. Step 3 drive 1 million miles. Or you can break down every 30k miles and pay 5k to fix it. Oh and your lucky to get 200k miles out of the truck.
Why don't you tell everyone about how that system cut the your engine life in half
Wel all know the best thing todo with that hunk of junk
I have another solution take the damn thing off
All the emissions crap on all these trucks should be lifetime covered with free maintenance and or replacement. It's a money making scam.
It’s crazy, think about how many diesel trucks are sold in America? If we all came together and demanded this crap is removed from our trucks.
The sound is like a diesel type writer
They cost more money to maintain (def)
They are prone for issues (bad def, limp mode)
They cost more to manufacture
They are not environmentally friendly (plastic container, cardboard box, more metal for the exhaust system)
Lol he said clean exhaust. The DEF is killing vegetation around road ways because of the ammonia.
Then add the fact that you are burning more fuel during regen as much as 50% more. As the trucks get older they go into regen a lot more often.
Sorry but a clean tune with all that shit removed is far better as mpg go up a ton. So in the long run it’s a clean tune not black smoke along with less fuel burned. Delete delete delete
get to the point please
Strange every semi I’ve “worked” on
It’s goes doc-dpf-scr
And what happens when you are 1500 miles from home, dealer cant get you in for 4 weeks, DEF pump is needed and on national backorder, and this truck is used for work. Quit carrying the water for the EPA, "We The People" don't want this shit!
I think we need to use diesel as a base carrier fuel that is thinned out with a different combustive liquid compound instead of trying to clean up the mess it makes.