So some context on Joe Biden: In mainstream terms he's a 'new Democrat'. This centrist version of the Democrat was popularized by guys like LBJ and Bill Clinton because it blended the moderate conservative views of the original democrats , later the dixicrats, and the socialist views of FDR. So the boomer democrats were fed very conflicting beliefs and it kinda went over their stupid heads to the point where their message is essentially 'oppose Republicans'. Which is why people say America has 2 right wing parties, and why younger democrats, who are actually ideologically left like AOC are so confused by the boomer dems.
Americans are pretty funny. They think they’re ‘right wing’ because ‘buy small, sell big’ or think they’re left wing because “Nathan doesn’t say he ‘loves’ immigrants as much as me”.
I'd say that calling FDR a socialist because he made the government do things is kinda silly. Also, I don't see how you could call LBJ conservative in any capacity.
I think that he is partially right but I'm thinking the main reason that people are becoming more political is due to rising economic factors along with what we're seeing right now A lot of That's a career politicians right now that are left are very similar to the status quo whenever you're looking in the western world and those that are not are left of the fringes most of them are getting older and they are associated with some of the problems that we're seeing today
@@dalegribble7939 I agree. Harder times tend to coincide with individuals clinging tighter to ideological frameworks, hoping that the frameworks will save them or at least create meaning and context for their suffering. We're heading into some deep trouble this generation.
My current ideology is Biden said, “Look, fat..., look” to some random dude and then challenged them to a push-up contest so now i’m a radical supporter of him. How is that not going to hold up in the next 10 years?
This channel has made me completely unable to interact with other human beings without bringing up controversial views on topics that I forget aren’t normal using at least like 1 layer of irony. Congratulations.
I don't mean to be a buzzkill... but I'm also a longtime viewer of the channel, and it kinda strikes me that you guys are trying a bit too hard by pretending how detached and irony-poisoned y'all are. But I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here
There needs to be a Young Americans for Normal Human-Sized Legs. This riduculous trend of young people trying to have scrawny unrealistic anime stick legs in skinny jeans are causing many to devolop blood clots in their legs. This generation will be in wheelchairs by the age of 35. Kids are dumb.
I believe its possible, and this makes me believe Jreg is at least an anarcho comunist since comunists dont believe in an armed populos, or at least hes centriest/left/libertarian
@@alexandremotkalyuk7184 The YAfL is an American Libertarian organization, they're conservative and not actually a libertarian organization. If anything, this makes me think Jreg is at least LibLeft, because he does so much against Capitalists and authoritarians.
@@prophet_master nor has anyone but what i’m saying is that he appears to be sincere you don’t need to watch the entire video to see a change also clown dead
I think that the whole generational thing isn't as big as people assume it is. The actually important thing is: are you a big city kid or a village kid? Village kids don't interact with many different people when growing up and they have to choose their friends among a small group - and no matter what they do, they will constantly run into the same people. "Don't be different" is the motto of this environment while everyone knows everything about you that somebody knows. City kids perform their identity in front of a large audience - when they make acquaintances, they can choose from a big pool, so they choose people with petformances which resonate with their performance. They are a slightly different person in every context. The internet gives us a way to exist as extreme big city kids, even if we live in small villages. One of the more interesting effects I've seen over the last maybe 15 years is that the cultural overton window has widened considerably as internet usage is common in most generations by now.
I think you hit a pretty big factor contributing to this , I live in a big city and compared to my cousin's who I've met that live in rural towns one thing I noticed is that sometimes they experience intellectual incest and I think it can happen in large cities as well maybe.
I think the whole generational thing isn’t as big as people assume it is. The actually important thing is: are you an heir or a worker? Heirs don’t interact with workers growing up and they have to choose their friends among a small group of their parents’ carefully curated social/familial circle. Don’t be different is the motto of this environment, while everyone knows you must grow up to continue your lineage and protect your own (and your class’s) interests. Workers’ kids... blah blah blah ok I’m bored of writing this copypasta but you get the idea.
@@a_tiny_orange It's easy to co strict an argument with the same structure as any given argument. That doesn't mean that that argument fits the measurable data we have.
@@alexandremotkalyuk7184 haha your coment is so self conscius about its own irony, haha, thats something i never thought, one could be double ironic .
According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The bee, of course, flies anyways. Because bees don't care what humans think is impossible.
Brace yourself for the rise of the pragmatist, the moderate, and the anti-ideological movement as this pendulum shoving reaches a crescendo and the next generation embraces borderline nihilism.
@Daniel Lourenço Affonso Individual sisyphean hedonic treadmills that exist collectively on top of a giant conveyor belt that leads off of a cliff. It's a shit forced metaphor to be sure, but that one black mirror ep with the lesbians that live forever in the computer might be a not terrible reference (though idk Hunger Games so I can't cumpare), you got that sadist club thing where people go just to feel anything at all or whatever because of the infinite virtual existence over time normalizing extremes. Or something.
The one thing I've gleamed from countless history classes is the rebelling against past generations. As ideologically driven people are today itll soon completely 180.
@[TSA]canal mais variado/ most random channel My political humor is at the point where "my political humor is at the point where "my political humor is at the point where "Trump is a leftist" made me laugh out loud" made me laugh out loud" made me laugh out loud
@Indifferent Dude With how the divide in American politics works, and Socialist Realism, I wouldn't be surprised if someone legitimately thought of that idea.
Whoah I just learned abt Mercantallism in my history class today actually. I read an excerpt from “Austria over all, of only she wills it” where the author listed the rules and Mercantallism didn’t seem like such a bad idea, but apparently Capitalism eventually drove it out?
@@thelozenger2851 Mertantilism was the forefather of modern protectionism. Both kill the innovative drive of one's state. That is the main problem. If you use tarifs and subsidies for industries, they never will be competitive against others on the global scale. And will want to have more and more of those protections. Seeing the whole state economy, all you do with tarifs or subsidies is transferring blood from your right hand into your left, spilling half of it on the ground. But in that regard we are not much better with Keynes and modern monetary theory. Editors note : Mercantilism is special in the historical context. There were protections inside most states, tarifs in different regions of the states. Those were shifted outward. So in that regard it was a capitalist evolution. Much higher productivity by getting rig of barriers of inside traffic of money and goods. Today, it would be a leap back.
@@iwankazlow2268 Mercantilism was a bit broader than you are painting it. Smith critiqued it for its protectionism, but also its belief that wealh was finite/zero sum, if you recall. That belief is why Britain would colonize a place and then sell it shit in an attempt to drain it of is gold.
I think the big thing is community. Young, secular, culturally average people don't have much to rally around and derive purpose from. They need community either way though, and they *think* they'll find it online, which ends up radicalizing them since online communities more easily devolve into echo chambers
This is called „alienation“ and was first expanded on by big boy Karl Marx and his bro Friedrich Engels. While Marx was doing economic analysis, Engels wrote extensively on subjects such as the family and „tribal communism“, the classless society before the slaveholder societies. Engels came to the conclusion that capitalism, in order to organise the economy in a more efficient way to make profit, destroyed the traditional extended family and reduced them to what is now called the „nuclear family“. Community needed to be reduced in order to create markets for childcare instead of having grandparents take care of them etc. Many leftists believe and have believed since the beginnings of fascism that this alienation is the frustration and fear needed to radicalise people to fascism. That‘s why the internet today is full of fascists, they are miserable and alienated, therefore seek community in a fascistic brotherhood. Also, it‘s what radicalises leftists, so the fallout from capitalism‘s natural development would in theory always be socialism and fascism competing over a broken society.
@Keagan T Everyone uses identity politics. Liberals and conservatives use „American“, leftists use „working class“, trump uses „real Americans/patriots“, Biden uses „black Americans“ or „working class whites“ and fascists use „white“ or „real men“ etc. Identity politics and also cancel culture are things everyone does, but I also fail to see how that tactic is fascist. What about it is fascist and what is fascism to you?
That's probably it, and I would say older people are wiser for that. Like, even if you have strong beliefs for a political ideology, you can't do anything by yourself, your actions won't change the current political events in the world, you're not in control of anything. If there's nothing you can do individually, then just live your live happy and enjoy the moment.
Reminds me of the time trump would go into the dressing rooms of young female actresses, or the dressing rooms of his show. Many many other stories. Both are shitty get over it
@Toaster Penguins remember that time where the alleged victim came out and said it didn’t happen, and Trump was one of the first people to deny meetings with Epstein after word broke out about the island? Furthermore girls who had stayed on the island have stated that they never saw trump, and the only known flight trump DID take with Epstein wasn’t even to the island?
If you think about it, he's still playing a character; specifically the character of the TH-camr Antony Guevara, which we've already seen once in the Ideology Reveal videos. I think it would be fair to say that this character is pretty similar to the IRL Antony Guevara, but I can't prove this.
30yo here: I was more ideological. I still am probably more than average. I'm less so now because it honestly just got tiring. I know that's not a good reason, but having to constantly come up with ideological backings for all my arguments just felt like a waste of time when I have more immediate, "real world" problems of making sure I don't ruin my entire life with my laziness.
Makes perfect sense, it’s literally the triangle levels of life thing that jung made, you take care of necessities before you worry about higher level shit, if you can be bothered
Probably a result of point #3: Supermarket of Ideology. Jreg's audience must necessarily know about a lot of different ideologies because Jreg talks about it all the damn time, and knowing about the variability in ideology results in variability of ideology
Jreg wanted Yang. Yang is the only person who Jreg has mentioned that is not Biden or trump. He’s a definite Libertarian and accelerationist due to how he talks and what he emphasizes by mentioning it multiple times slowly.
“I’ve talked about myself a little too much recently...” Have you? Who? Jreg has talked about himself? Greg has talked about himself? Post left has talked about queeself? This channel has so many characters and layers of irony that all meaning and communication has been rendered void! I need answers and I’m scared
True it honestly scares me. Probably becuase I am can't take looking at these large consepts. I think it's becuase of some halusiantions I have had before.
When Jreg starts talking about ideologies as "ghosts that inhabit you" and saying that if you don't believe in them you are just "spooked"... HMMMMMMMM
@kat Most Centrists these day's are essentially conservatives that no longer wish to align themselves with the republican party for various reasons. I guess the best example is someone who is a strong gun-supporter and wishes for lower taxes and fewer bureaucratic regulations across the board, but feels alienated by the heavy religious undertones and other general republican mishaps. This is purely anecdotal, but I've recently become extremely depressed as everyone in my circle is a hard-pressed leftist/socialist and I'm constantly bombarded daily with some rather vigorous anti-trump sentiment. My belief on political policy is most closely aligned to a libertarian, and so the obvious candidate for me would be Trump as a vote for Biden would be against a lot of things I truly believe in. But saying that I would support Trump makes me feel sick to my stomach, and I could hardly muster the words if you asked me irl. In fact, I probably wouldn't say anything at all in fear of ostracization. It's much the same feeling but reversed when surrounded by republican's as this time I almost feel as if I'm a liberal.
@kat I love how people are genuinely responding to you in total seriousness and not outright insulting you, and presenting information in a totally reasonable manner.
I read the website and don't even understand what YAL does. They just say the word "liberty" every other sentence and never explain what their positions are. A perfect fit for Jreg!
Most of the comments are jokes lol, but I guess I'll say this. My interaction with politics has become very unstable. I'm probably crazy, but theres this sort of culture that you HAVE to have all your political views set in stone even though you're only like 16. There's no time to digest or research or understand its just "What's your label so I know if I like you or not". It's really easy to fall down rabbit holes without really knowing where you're going
Same like people expected me to have it all figured out when I was twelve. I don't even know what I will do they next day let alone having a political ideology.
You're right, also there is not enough exposure to the actual effects of certain ideas. What I mean is when you are young even if you watch a lot of politics etc all you really get are ideas, which don't apply perfectly to the real world, and then what we are left with is a lot of people who view politics as just abstractions that don't really affect others. Edit: Also as Jreg said before the internet i feel like people had to builld up their ideas thru life expirience, seeing what a policy does etc. What i mean is that a person would slowly fall into having an ideology. In contrast to today where people first see an idea and then try to affirm it by picking and choosing which expirience to count.
I guess that's why so many people fell down the alt-right pipeline in the recent years, and there's even been talk about a leftist pipeline (although this one seems less dangerous, at least).
Almost 30. I definitely got less ideological as time went on. The reasons probably go something like this: 1. I was tired of being wrong, changing my ideology, and then being wrong again. 2. The more I learned about things the more I realized I was wrong about things. 3. I definitely understand humans and human motivation better than I use to.
@@jacobjacob5364 I mean, what could he be ironic about in this video? Methinks this is a rare peek into Jreg’s actual beliefs. Probably assisted by him destroying the mental illness clown stuff.
Why are young people more ideological? it's mostly the *Kids in america*, I believe that because the country is run by two parties, not a lot of other ideologies are shown, but say in a country like Germany, where I am from, we have infinite amount of ideologies that are being tested every Bundestag election, so young people or really people here get to see what actually works and what doesn't also another theory: Young people are still undeveloped, so we are still looking for an identity, that is why we will try to find any ideology that might fit our personality AKA we have no clue of the world, so we keep changing believes to keep up with our fastly changing world view(AND THE INTERNET HELPS WITH THE FAST CHANGE TOO), that's why we keep changing ideologies
Yep totally agree with your second point, just look at how often teenagers go through “phases” of what they’re into, style of dress etc (at least I did, lol). Once you grow up you mature and have a more solid worldview and understanding of your identity. Edit- also they’re more impulsive and risk taking (hence why they make perfect soldiers) so I assume that makes it easier to pick up an ideology.
It's definitely the later, Young people are more vulnerable to believe BS. It's why Marketing/Ad Agencies prime for that demographic because it's easier to morph your product to their belief and scew it your way. It's also why TEEN, Young Adult and MIGRANTS ideologies are so similar. They say that In America 16-25 will be BLUE, by the time they are 25-35 they turn RED. After that they pull away from ideologies all together , it's not until they are retired that they go back to being political, yearning for the good ol days , because OLDER people are more vulnerable too. But in LATIN AMWERICA there are several ideologies too and so many parties to choose from, in the end , they are just as bad as the party they replaced.
yeah that's pretty much it we're basically trying to explore what does or doesn't work for us and learn about different concepts, then form thoughts and opinions on them it can also feel like ideologies help form some sort of philosophy to live by, like mutualism or social darwinism
It hasn't been so long ago when there were effectively three influential parties in Germany. The conservatives, the liberals and the social democrats. Other parties existed, but were usually seen as "the rest". And when the green party rose to power, the neoliberals took over in it from the ideologues. The way majorities work now in our parliament's are very unlike what you had before. And even in the parties themselves, the youth organizations are significantly more radical than the rest of the parties
I agree with the internet part, especially since they tend to stay in their own echo chambers so when they actually have conversations where they have to defend their stance, they kind of fumble around. Atleast from my experience. A lack of exposure and life experience causes alot of people to form their views from more of a emotional stance, so realize it wont work or dont agree with it, they then switch. They are trying to find where they fit and need to try each one out beforehand. I think if more young people take the dive into figuring out the different ideologies and comparing it with themselves and in their mind what can, and can't work, we will see a more spread out field of ideologies. Young people tend to stick into the "left or right" way of things which restrict themselves from properly aligning themselves with the ideology they properly align with. While I myself jumped out abit (25), I was able to properly examine it, unlike those who say "I'm a liberal cause I dont like boomers or conservatives".
The only reason I learn about most ideologies is to make fun of them. Anarchism - Yeah, no government! Also if you don't agree with our ideas we'll fucking kill you! Communism - Everything is equally distributed! Ignore the pile of cash behind me! Capitalism - This system totally works! Ignore the thousands of sweatshops.
Hi Jreg, sounds like you’re discussing something that many call “reality tunnels” something Robert Anton Wilson talked and write about extensively. Especially with the internet the number of reality tunnels influencing people has fragmented and diversified among the world population. Where in the 1950s there was a monoculture, then 1960s mainstream vs counter culture... this fragmentation keeps splitting again and again where now there’s uncountable numbers of micro cultures and people belong to dozens of them.
The idea we don't come into conflict is pretty wrong you do get echo chambers but they are very different from real life. That's because real life is a much more like an echo chamber than the internet. You only hear what people around physically have to say. On the internet you are much likely to meet people you will never meet irl. The internet is actually more like different echo chambers that spontaneously emeet each other and then explosions happen.
You clearly havent read stirner nor understand him, he says you should have your own spook but actively acknowledge you have it (over simplification but we dont mind it here in Jreg)
Y’all really be out here like: “Are you a democrat or a republican?” Bruh, I would destroy every government in the world if I could. Haha, JK.😂 .....Unless?😳
5:50 "Andrew Yang might be considered a radical centrist." I now want to see him photoshopped into the radical centrist costume. Give him the robe and shades.
A radical moderate would be a Royalist. Back in the days of the First French Republic, the political spectrum of France considered Royalists as "too moderate" while the too radical are the Patriots, aka Revolutionaries and Jacobins
Yeah Andrew Yang is a very interesting “politician” because he seems like neither moderate dem nor progressive dem I mean that’s why I would like him run for Congress or something and see how he would vote on different things and what his deals would be because I mean I feel like he is wasting his potential if he just runs for president a position he will probably never win.
I feel like the social libertarian marker isn't too far off -- I'm probably a tad right of Andrew Yang but he is by far and away my favorite politician on the national stage.
I'm in my mid-thirties. When I was younger, it was all Left / Right or Party A / Party B. By my late twenties I was starting to see everything more in terms of competing ideologies, this forced me to confront what my actual core beliefs were.
The good thing about that is that there‘s a much wider range of beliefs. There‘s only so many parties (especially in the US), but ideology is a very flexible thing. I settled on far left a few years ago, but because I‘m in a constant dialogue with the outside world, I can take on many different opinions from the experiences I gather in political conflicts and in contact with everyday people
33 year old Aussie here. Politics aren't really a big deal here (not compared to America anyway) but even without knowing political ideologies I've always been a Leftist due to basic empathy for my fellow humans. (I'm also literally a born "Lefty" by being left handed)
People nowadays (the youth, especially) are constantly bombarded by information through the internet. Meaningfully parsing through this endless sea of info is nigh impossible without some heuristics, some mental shortcuts. I think the Information Age has basically forced us to evolve into ideology-dependent, low-attention span beings. The less time you spend looking for meaning in an infinite stream of info, the better. To make the process faster, people subscribe to ideologies with pre-packaged sets of meaning. We have somehow mistakenly thought that exposing people with more and more info about the world would somehow automatically make us into smart, critical, emphatic beings. Clearly that's not the case, as we see hundreds of thousands of people nowadays feeling "emotional burnout" from learning about too much of the horrrors currently happening around the globe. The primate brain was never meant to process this much info all at once.
Part of evolution I guess, one day we might finally make a way out in this bog, but I doudt I'd live that long or at least live long enough to witness it near my dead end. But conversely, despite all the horrors happening in the world now, let's not forget this is ironically humanity's most peaceful era, the world is progressing far faster than ever before. Even another world war might just be minor setback of a few decades before everyone stands back up again. The old owners of industry will be replaced whether they like it or not, sooner or later, it's a matter whether their descendants will catch up with the new and throw away the old inefficient methods. The consequences of global warming might snap back and freeze the earth into a medium ice age, but people are already living in those sort of conditions, so it won't too much of a problem, aside from a few billion dead. And yeah, I'm nihilist enough to think a billion is few, despite how that seriously conflicts with my optimistic belief that humans can pull through any sort of disaster nature throws at us, unless we're really stupid enough to think carpet bombing every major city with nukes is a good idea.
@@guycross493 You do know evolution requires lots of people not having sex AND getting lucky that someone's DNA fucks up in a helpful way And multiple that 100x Evolution in the past does not mesh with the societies and technology we've built
Jokes on you! Here in Northern Ireland, the young people aren’t ideological cuz our grandparents went a little overboard ideologically and the young people have enough sense not to repeat what our grandparents did. It’s sort of a rule to never bring up politics or religion among young people. TLDR: I’m a young centrist and my granddad was a terrorist
too bad the English went too ideological on Northern Island and spent almost the last 1000 years conquering and subjugating it and suppressing native practices, cultural mannerisms, and dialects
My father, who doesn't really use the internet much, identifies as (and according to other relatives has done so for quite a while) something very close to anarcho-monarchism. He of course doesn't use this term, but it really gets closest to what he thinks. And yeah. I suffer. It's hell.
@@thegoodkidboy7726 Jreg is actually being sponsered by Young Americans For Liberty, dispite shit-talking the organisation in the ad. He's tryna make us forget about BIG CD!
I'll be pushing 30 here soon, so I'm basically on the verge of senility. That being said, one thing I'm beginning to figure out in a more substantial way is that as you get older, you may tend to trust less. Whatever the specifics are of the reasons you may have for that- as well as when/if that will really happen for you personally- will depend on your own life experience. Thus, it can become more difficult to convince yourself to explore/take on new ideologies and forms of yourself; you begin to coagulate more into whatever your epiphanies drive you to recognize as important aspects of yourself and your perceived place in society(these things will probably still change with age, it's just that that change will tend over time to be driven more from within than it will from without). I imagine that to be the reason for younger people by and large being so much more progressive and willing to explore new ideas(not to mention the massively expanded marketplace of ideas that we have access to today, as you mentioned). Pair that with your level of isolation. It not only matters how isolated you are, but also *in what way* , and *with whom* . You may be isolated within a friend or peer group, or within your family... maybe even just plain isolated. You may have a family/friend/peer group, but isolate your views *from* that family/friend/peer group in some way. The main difference between the older generations and us is probably the nature of our isolation... the older generations didn't have the same methods of communication that we do, so they were stuck with the few communities they had access to. Until recently, the range of acceptable discourse has been limited by things like locality, access to peers, or media restrictions- limitations that eventually broke down completely thanks to the advent of the internet(or even just getting old enough to be able to pay for long-distance phone calls, if you want to go back a little bit further). The result is that relatively wacky ideas can thrive way more than they used to. This makes for a slew of new ways for people to inform their ideas of friendship and their political views. We spout memes, we latch on to small things that resonate with us, we don't usually hang on to most things for very long, and we sometimes arrive at the things that we decide are worth sticking with in the long run... It's like how fads are, only somehow even more embarrassing at times. I could say more, but it's a TH-cam comment, so bye
@@el_spaghetto And no need to be self-conscious-- it's the TH-cam comment section, after all. Sometimes I write a long screed just because I want to feel an idea out.
I'm pushing 40 so I know what you mean. My experience is that the more you live (in reality) the more humble you are. Reality is neither good nor bad, it just is. There is death, sickness, inequalities but also life, health and love. Like the yangyang, you need both. I learned to appreciate reality the way it is and it made me relax, become a centrist... I guess it is no so much an age thing but more about the relationship with reality one has...
As someone who has gotten less extreme over the years, I found that the internet "community" is what influences young people the most. Like you said, instead of going into politics out of interest, they go based on a community and try to justify the GROUPS positions rather than form their own positions. For example, when I was young I found myself taking the Political Compass Test and thinking "What would X answer?" After going to college, experiencing the SJW types and far left types, followed by having experiences with the far right online, you really just realize how much you disagree with it all in person. Something else important to add is that young people simply have more time to justify extreme ideologies. They have time to go out on the internet to fringe communities and try to use mental gymnastics. Older people who work and go to college are frustrated with their real life experiences and tend to find a more centrist ideology that is based on the issues they face. Ex. a minority who feels discriminated against might side with democrats since they seem like the more "pro-equality" party. Alternatively, people who feel attacked by progressivism might feel more drawn to the counter-culture side of the Republicans or Libertarians. To sum up what I'm saying, exposure to extremism, the desire to be part of a community, and time do mental gymnastics leads young people to more extremist ideologies while older, more busy people are more drawn to "common sense" ideas more related to their struggles and experiences. Though I'm not old, just 22. But I've been super political since I was like 12 holding some dumb opinions and associating with dumbasses. My outlook might still be developing; who knows.
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You're not old. Though the internet probably feels that way. Maybe now that you either left or completed college take the time to meet some leftists in your community. And remember not everyone "radicalized" because of college. Many did because of their experience in working and you'll find more of those types outside of college. Maybe you'll become far more radical then you ever thought possible. These are crazy times.
I now want to run for office just to barrel sweep the entire crowd with poor trigger discipline. I know they will appreciate such an intense display of freedom.
I would say the idea of community would be one of the strongest draws to becoming ideological. Being a part of a larger movement and feeling like your input has value and weight would help to encourage committing yourself to said ideology. While the internet is definitely a major factor in discovering said ideologies, I feel the false sense of community would be what locks someone into said ideology.
I feel like in the physical world ideas are based on your experience in life. You realize what doesn’t work throughout your life, but for younger people there is no barrier. Everything they believe in is just theory or others people’s experience. Which I don’t think is bad because it creates more dialogue about problems that aren’t talked about. I think the problem is when they adopt experience from the internet who are literally crazy or lieing.
I think that theoretically any ideology can function. The question is can it function here and now under these circumstances in this country with these politicians
@@sasi5841 I don‘t really know, they were very limited after the world war because they couldn‘t act on their desire for eternal war, because for one, fascism got fucked in the war and twice, the civil war made the people exhausted
I think another thing that could be making people ideological is that having political beliefs is becoming socially expected in certain circles. Growing up in an extremely conservative religion, I was taught as a kid some political participation was needed to get into heaven. After I left that religion I ended up in progressive circles, and there was this sentiment that not being political was harmful to minorities. Both times I took up the ideology that gave me the best social standing without questioning it.
Jreg has played me so hard in the past that now I'm actually cautious and scared to admit that I enjoyed this sincere analysis and found it very insightful. Am I being PLAYED AGAIN?! Have I TAKEN THE BAIT?!
I don't think he's ever made a video that was 100% ironic. Every one of them contains some of his own sincere beliefs, but they're muddled in with the fiction so you can't ever know for sure. The video on porn addiction is a great example. He's probably not an anti-porn crusader, but some of those arguments were too well reasoned to just be mindless satire. (Also his early videos are almost all unironic. I remember liking the one about a Jake Paul music video.)
Boomer Politics: It HAS to be left or right!!! Nothing else exists outside of that! Zoomer Politics: It HAS to be against at least one group of people responsible for it all!
Seeing the lack of thorough analyses of ideology, and the fact that most culturally influential material is online, I wonder if videos like these will actually be studied one day as a way of deeply understanding the massive ideological shifts and divergences of the 21st century. Great video again Jreg.
2020 is so exhausting. I wish it was the late 1800s and I’d have my potato farm out in the west and wouldn’t have a care on the world about what John C. Calhoun is tweeting about half across the continent. This internet-fueled political new age is not healthy.
lets be real 'might makes right' and Empires were far less of a drag, just cheer for whatever team you were born into. I want to capture pointless Pacific islands and sink slaving ships whilst drinking rum and lime with my boat buddies.
Farming in the 1800s would also be exhausting. Generally you'd feel the same day to day as you do now. Although I can see the appeal, at least you'd be healthy and have your mind clear.
@@ravinmarokef wait what’s the difference between liberal libertarian and social liberalism? Because yang describes his platform as “capitalism but you don’t start at zero” which I am 100% for ubi is better than taking out loans from a bank to start your business or just save for the future.
As someone from the "older demographic"... My feeling is that I grew up in a de-ideologized time. Late 90s, early 2000s. That does not mean that there wasn't ideology around, quite the contrary. But the dominant ideology was the "end of history" narrative: The western democratic capitalist system has won, we're all free and happy now, yay! ... and even if you weren't happy, the feeling was rather that there was nothing that anyone could do, so young people were very depoliticized, minding their own business and questioning little. I'm from Germany, mind you, but I have the feeling that this was true for large parts of the "western world". Also, the internet wasn't very much a thing back then.
The decline of traditional religion has left people without a clear sense of purpose in life and without a belief system to justify all the suffering in their lives. Extremist political groups usually provide a single group on which people can blame all their problems. This is usually some sort of ruling elite, but it can be muslims, jews, the rich, the liberals, or even women. The benefits of the enormous economic growth of the past 30 years have been predominantly enjoyed by those that were already rich 30 years ago. The far-left and far-right provide reasons as to why the national economy seems to have grown while they've been left behind.
Historically religion is no different from political extremism. The soft, feel good, personal religion you're referring to is innate to the lack of political identity you're talking about
@@semi-useful5178 That's actually the funny thing. Some people assume that when you don't have a belief system to justify the suffering in your life, you buck up and take responsibility for the actions that got you where you are. But the thing is that people's suffering is not their own fault, as the world is random, chaotic, and cruel, and your misery can only be blamed on your own failures for so long before you descend into a spiral of self hatred. That's why in my mind, any belief system, be it religious or political, that allows people to make sense of an inherently chaotic and scary world is a good one.
@@benjaminteixeira4709 That is true, however, my examination has led me to the conclusion that I am responsible for the majority of my problems, once I fix myself I will go fix my external problems.
This comment is probably gonna get lost but you've really grown on me Jreg. I feel as if the level of modernity we are at now has stripped you of what was once your young hopes and dreams and replaced them with a hope to pursue a path that helps other not make the same mistakes you did or were forced to make by the environment you were put into. But the truth is you still have potential to reach the goals your denying yourself of. I hope you can find the same level of happiness in your ambitions as I do in your videos. It may mean relatively nothing but I have faith that you'll find content eventually.
I think being focused on ideology is incredibly helpful. Often times we act in ways that are in line with some aspect of us, whether it be our personalities, our mood disorders, our religious indoctrination, our personal morals, etc. Identifying what core values a person has can help predict what kinds of actions they will take. Of course this isn't perfect, or even ideal because people and their ideologies change, as you pointed out. But even for a short period of time, a person is acting in accordance to some principle and identifying that principle is important.
The boomer mentality that Jreg discusses here is essentially one of aesthetics: "how does this candidate make me feel interpersonally?" On the other hand, the internet isn't person to person but rather community to community, and that means two things: 1. Specific policy issues are less often discussed simply because they are not widely applicable/relatable enough. If people do ever bring up specific policies, it's usually as a springboard to a larger ideology (e.g. Peterson and C16). 2. If a political figurehead becomes *personally* disagreeable, they can always be replaced. Hence, presentation of one's personal brand no longer matters as much (since there are so many alternative options that everyone can find a pundit that they like), but the aesthetic of one's *community* does. For example, casting aside any pure ideological or values-based differences, consider feminism's online reputation. It's cringe. It's hyperemotional and weak and emblematic of "snowflakery". Contrast that with the aesthetic of rationality that Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro like to present. Alternatively, contrast "cool, rational" atheism on the internet with the Evangelical tradition. Your average person on the internet simply doesn't have the time to really pick through the facts, no matter how much both sides would like to claim that their ideology is fact-based. Nor can it be policy-based; again, it's simply too much work, and it won't resonate with a lot of people. This framework helps to explain a lot of the modern online political landscape. Contrapoints and Philosophy Tube are two channels with a very obvious aesthetic, and both deal with larger philosophical ideas than concrete policy issues. HBomberguy has a very recognizable style, and his most popular videos are responses to single videos, rather than a deep dive into a specific topic. Jordan Peterson is very much loves to deal with very abstract and dense philosophy as well. And, while it may seem that Ben Shapiro is more policy driven, his most famous videos are debates about ideology/philosophy, and there is no denying that those early viral videos very much defined his "facts not feelings" aesthetic. And finally, consider Milo Yiannopoulos, the darling of the alt-right with a very recognizable brand who immediately fell from grace after distasteful information leaked about him. He has since been replaced by other rising figures on the right. If Milo had been a traditional thought leader, then it would have been a huge blow to the alt-right, but since the internet has lowered the barrier of entry for so many people, he simply... disappeared. So yes, the internet has made zoomers more philosophical and ideological. But it has also made them more communal.
Ok, you had me up until "Milo Yiannopoulos, darling of the alt right." He's gay and Jewish and has black husband. Literally everything that the alt-right hates. The alt-right are white nationalists and neo-nazis you dumbass. Please stop getting your news from CNN and the Guardian, oh my god. Next you'll claim that JBP is the darling of the alt-right, or Ben Shapiro. That's how hilariously wrong you are. Otherwise, I mostly agree with your premise.
@gamer time I think Milo himself would call himself a stereotype, he leans into that for attention. But he is literally ticking every single hatebox that the alt right has and he has no affiliation with them. I don't see the point of your comment.
@gamer time You actually have no idea what you are talking about. Milo has nothing to do with the Alt Right and the Proud Boys have nothing to do with racial identitarianism. You're so laughably wrong it's hysterical. Guardian reader detected.
jreg i want more genuine sincere videos like this. i know you dont want to reveal your real political positions, one of the reasons why is because that kind of takes away from the funny, but i think you have your own reasons, and i respect that. its your ideas, its your content. but this video put into words why its so hard as a zoomer to communicate with my gen x mom about politics. and these videos are both funny, and genuinely informative and thought provoking in a way. please do more jregulation.
Soo...you invited this... I'm 57 years old. Some of the young people on one of the Discord servers I'm on (yeah, I'm on Discord) were discussing politics at the beginning of the year and mentioned your channel - I've been watching ever since. I don't consider myself politically savvy, yet I keep finding that I do actually seem to know more - both about the actual function of government and law, and how personal ideologies in *my* generation at least don't seem to influence actual voter actions so much as perception of "strong" leadership - even when a leader is so obviously, fundamentally wrong. For more on that, I suggest www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/2020/08/25/authoritarian-tendencies-in-the-american-electorate-part-1/. Informing this is Generations Theory. I'm utterly unqualified to judge it, so it may be a case of self-fulfilling prophecy or even Nostradamus syndrome, but the theory that every 4 years the "dominant" (oldest) generation acts to tear down the social structure and the next rebuilds it with improvements. I've verified that predictions made by extollers of this theory as early as 1997 do seem to be happening with almost eerie accuracy *now*. For more on this, in easily digestible form: th-cam.com/video/A-fJztLnJEE/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/TExHUZMa6_c/w-d-xo.html As a side note - since watching your videos I've made a joke of espousing "Anarcho-Centrism" - doing nothing while the extremes fight each other to exhaustion and then getting back to (a new) normal. This is basically passive encouragement of Left Accelerationism, as the Overton Window never moves right for long (long being relative, of course). A couple of the more informed young people saw Centricide 8.1 and DMed me - I'm now somewhat of a celebrity as they believe I anticipated you lol. Finally: Republicans for Bernie!
I'm 23, which makes me relatively ancient and pretty young depending on who is reading this. Just wanted to share my story. Until I was roughly 16, I didn't have any political beliefs that weren't carbon copies of my mom's. She at the time was "christian republican", so I copied her. I understood myself to be "vaguely democrat" around then, though I didn't really have a strong reason as to why. It was at about 18 when I traveled through the "alt-right pipeline". What resonated with me was anti-feminist content, and there was a LOT of it at the time. I didn't know it at the time, but I was clinging to this because I felt powerless and like I had no control over my life, and the strong personalities of that sphere filled my need for community and power. I really pushed away a lot of important people at that time. There was a split in antifeminist, "skeptic" youtube, that formed following Donald Trump's win in 2016, some who supported him as a champion of their ideas, and some who felt that he was obviously bad. I fell in with the 'obviously bad' crowd, and all of the people that I kept watching basically stopped posting anti-feminist content post 2016/17ish. Since then, I've only grown more socialist. I view myself as a "socdem" currently, but only because I'm not sure how "demsoc" ideas would manifest in the real world, though I really don't like labels. As of now, I feel like my political framework has solidified into "how can we most effectively help people out of poverty and suffering", and I've largely found the answer in socialist ideas.
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we help people who suffer and are poor by making everyone suffer and have no money!!
I’m gonna make some presumptions about your beliefs due to lack of info. Do you support public healthcare (I assume you said yes)? Here’s something you soc's don’t understand. Who do you think is better at administrating your money: the most corrupt institution in the United States of America, or you? I’d guess you said you. Do you really trust the government to put your money to good use? Do you think the most corrupt, greedy people in the US wouldn’t take a bite out of the public health care funds pie? What about the impoverished family, who opened a small clinic in order to pay for the bills? Would they be able to compete with a free service? That’s what I thought, no.
@@mikab631 Redistribution only causes poverty man. That’s what destroyed my country, Brazil. Mismanagement and corruption will always be present. That’s why I like the free market so much. He allows you to open the cake shop you’ve always dreamt about, he feeds the smart and punishes corruption. Hoppean minarchism is my choice.
@@osamabinladenmiliciano5.538 I'll explain why I support a single payer system, if I have to. The only way a health insurance company could make money is to not spend all of the money paid into it. This is an obvious consequence, they would fail otherwise. The only way they can do that is by not providing an adequate service for their customers; specific locations and doctors that they can visit, certain medications that are covered, only paying for treatment if the cost exceeds a certain amount. The ideal single payer system replaces the private market with a full coverage public funded plan, that would not be run for profit. This would streamline the insurance market, remove the corrupting influence of CEO bonuses (a plague in the current market,) and provide adequate health coverage to everyone. The private market can do great things for wealth creation. But for healthcare specifically, I don't believe theres a strong argument. It doesn't even destroy that poor struggling family owned clinic you mentioned, plus they would have full health coverage.
Just because they're more exposed to it via the internet doesnt meant they've actually dealt with anything or even understand anything theyre being exposed to.
I like how you're doing sincere analysis now. You really do have some good insight into our modern world and its ideological shift. I'm also starting to notice that your political ideology is ever changing but probably lies somewhere around the socialist right. Keep up the good work!
@@Soitisisit Well maybe somewhere in between. It seems like he has strong opinions against porn and for guns, but some cultural leanings towards the new left. And I feel like he is very clearly socialist because of his decrying of neoliberal capitalism, how he treats socialism in the centricide series, and how he talks about socialism in sincere videos.
This video was so awesome. I'm really glad someone talked about this topic, specially this channel. Bro, I'm 15 and I went from Conservative to Monarchist to Libertarian and now I'm Ancap. Help.
Read Nietzsche, then read Dostoevsky. That will pretty much summarize the consistent world views that are possible and at least then you'll be able to make an informed decision.
Was a full blown Marxist at the age of 13, at 21, I am much more of a left leaning centrist who's just in the lookout for actual solutions to our immediate problems. Definitely dreamed an extreme communist utopia at 13. 😂
What say you about using the regional independence granted by feudalism in order to test every form of government possible in order to use darwinism to create the most effective government?
@@semi-useful5178 Any proper test would require a control but by definition there can be no control group for government as even anarchy is technically a form of government
@@semi-useful5178 “Darwinism” is based on a misinterpretation of what Darwin was actually saying, but I’ll allow it because that sounds like it could be interesting
When I was 13 the only kids who cared about politics were basically miniature Ben Shapiros(in b4 “Ben Shapiro is a miniature Ben Shapiro”). There was always that one kid who brought a briefcase to school, never wore jeans, and couldn’t laugh at anything. It’s fucking bizarre to me that kids these days have political ideas that extend further than “racism is bad.”
I'm in my late 20s so I'm not sure if I'm ancient or not. I grew up in a suburban southern community, and when I was young I was "apolitical." In college I started identifying as a liberal, but by 2016 I abandoned that label and started saying I was anti-capitalist. As I've learned more about left ideologies through the internet over the past few years, I became involved with people in the prison abolition movement and started identifying as an anarchist or communist. (My political philosophy is closer to anarchism, but I say "communist" most of the time because it's a broader label, conceptually, and in my opinion contains anarchism.) I think that establishment power structures in government, media, academics, and other large institutions have created the myth of the "non-ideological" stance for the sake of mass appeal, usually to satisfy someone's profit motive or to win political control. See social media companies pretending to be able to "neutrally" enforce content policies - as if picking rules for what is and isn't allowed can ever be "neutral." Undemocratic institutions like Twitter, Amazon, and the Supreme Court constantly project an air of neutrality, not because they are or can be neutral, but because that is how they justify their lack of accountability and transparency. We sacrifice our control for empty promises that rules will be followed, while they quietly change those rules to suit their private, unspoken ideology. I don't think people simply are or are not ideological. I think that powerful institutions, like the ones who control the media you consume, the public spaces you use, and the terms of your livelihood, have worked very hard for many decades to obscure substantive political discussion and discredit those who engage in it - because if we're not talking about politics, we're not talking about whether they deserve the power that they have over everyone else. When you realize this, you must also realize that you have to understand and justify your own ideology, which leads to you consuming media about ideologies and talking about them a lot. So I don't think people are "becoming more ideological," *they're just re-investing in the idea of having an opinion* after years of being lied to that such things are for suckers.
Hi, thank you for writing this. Another oldster here. I'm a radical anti-ideologue, but am also happy with the label anti-authoritarian. In practice, it means I'm as anti-communist as I am anti-fascist, but also highly suspicious of libertarianism, capitalism, social democracy, the Greens, and of course the two limp centrist parties. I've been opposed to every government I've lived under. (And I would not want anarchy.) I agree with you that media organizations, the Supreme Court, and corporations all operate within an ideology of some kind, spoken or unspoken. But there are people, not institutions, who remain unideological. To claim that someone who has zero awareness of politics is unconsciously "an ideologue" would be an abuse of the term, in my opinion. An ideologue is someone who is aware, in the abstract, of their political choices and the potential consequences of their choices. A person living in an entirely sensory environment, like a baby, has no ideology. People older than babies might just be completely outside the realm of political theory: They could vote based entirely on their own perceived interests, as many swing voters do. Or they could conceive of politics as a series of discrete transactions without any overarching motive: Imagine someone with good standing in his community who accepts bribes from a politician (any politician) to get out the vote for that politician. Unless he's motivated by some theory of politics that allows vote-buying, such a person is not an ideologue-just a political leech. (I'm against them too.)
@E Fig it's actually a really interesting topic to read up on! It's similar to the defunding the police argument, where the funds would be used to prevent those crimes from happening in the first place or reforming those in prison to break cycles of crime. There's a lot more details to it than I can give here, but looking it up and making your own opinion can never hurt :)
So some context on Joe Biden:
In mainstream terms he's a 'new Democrat'. This centrist version of the Democrat was popularized by guys like LBJ and Bill Clinton because it blended the moderate conservative views of the original democrats , later the dixicrats, and the socialist views of FDR. So the boomer democrats were fed very conflicting beliefs and it kinda went over their stupid heads to the point where their message is essentially 'oppose Republicans'. Which is why people say America has 2 right wing parties, and why younger democrats, who are actually ideologically left like AOC are so confused by the boomer dems.
You know, that actually makes a fuckton of sense.
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Americans are pretty funny. They think they’re ‘right wing’ because ‘buy small, sell big’ or think they’re left wing because “Nathan doesn’t say he ‘loves’ immigrants as much as me”.
I'd say that calling FDR a socialist because he made the government do things is kinda silly. Also, I don't see how you could call LBJ conservative in any capacity.
Thank you!
All these boomers talking about “are you a liberal or a conservative?” I just wanna be a political extremist for gods sake!
Boomers: conservative
Millennials: liberal
Gen z: lmao what if we just yeet the government and do what we want
@@4n4rch1st7 boomers: neolib Millenials: slightly more leftist neolib Gen Z: Literally everything but neolib
@@mpowers6451 im a Gen Z Semi-Constitutional and Theocratic Social Democratic Centrist Royalist Monarchist and Meritocratic-Democratic Aristocracy
@@thekingshussar1808 lol you don't even have " with Chinese characteristics" at the end. What a centrist.
@@4n4rch1st7 once again, forget Gen X
“I essentially view ideologies as spirits and ghosts...”
Ok, Stirner
Possessed by Stirner BASED
If thats the case is being possessed by egoism similar to being controlled by the chaos god malal
oooOoOOOOOoooOoOOO prepare to be SPOOKED
i was a bit spooked when i heard him say that
Haven't you heard that a spectre is haunting Europe?
This guy looks like Yanderedevs older brother who is a doctor and has a wife and kids
That is the worlds most accurate statement ever
when i looked at the thumbnail i thought he was yanderedev rip
y-you nailed it
When I saw that one pic of yan dev I was so happy people knew about jreg then I got confused
Holy shit-
There are only two ideologies: correct and incorrect.
I like to be undecided, play both sides so I ALWAYS come out on top 😎😎😎🤘🤘🤘
a.k.a. my side and your side
@@alexandermoltz5089 Filthy centrist
@@alexandermoltz5089 CENTERIST
The left and the correct ideology 😎😎😎😎😎
He cut the red ball. He's moving on. HE'S MOVING ON. THE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. AHHHHHHHHHH
Oh, I thought it was a tomato. That makes much more sense
You didn’t even watch the video
Centrism bad. DUHOY
I thought it was a carrot for some reason...
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psychologically unstable child slices own alter ego to death on camera
That was his most realistic character too
@@marshallmcluhan33 ;;;;;;;;;))))))))
Murders self ironically on camera
OOOOH THAT WAS THE CLOWN'S NOSE! I THOUGHT HE WAS EATING A TOMATO
@@edwood4885 I too am insane/"insane", nice to meet you.
I actually like this geniune analysis, Jihad.
Jihad indeed.
Jihad, Rico
I think that he is partially right but I'm thinking the main reason that people are becoming more political is due to rising economic factors along with what we're seeing right now A lot of That's a career politicians right now that are left are very similar to the status quo whenever you're looking in the western world and those that are not are left of the fringes most of them are getting older and they are associated with some of the problems that we're seeing today
@@dalegribble7939 I agree. Harder times tend to coincide with individuals clinging tighter to ideological frameworks, hoping that the frameworks will save them or at least create meaning and context for their suffering. We're heading into some deep trouble this generation.
Jihad
My current ideology is Biden said, “Look, fat..., look” to some random dude and then challenged them to a push-up contest so now i’m a radical supporter of him. How is that not going to hold up in the next 10 years?
Bidened and bicep-pilled.
Hahaha yeah he literally just bullied him for no reason
@@ceruchi2084 *chest-tricep-abdomen-pilled
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@@full-timepog6844 thank you
This channel has made me completely unable to interact with other human beings without bringing up controversial views on topics that I forget aren’t normal using at least like 1 layer of irony. Congratulations.
Just go up a few layers to where you talk about controversial shit by not talking about it.
@@PilkScientist woah!
Honestly same. All I can talk about is something taboo. Like I almost asked who my family were voting for.
I don't mean to be a buzzkill... but I'm also a longtime viewer of the channel, and it kinda strikes me that you guys are trying a bit too hard by pretending how detached and irony-poisoned y'all are. But I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here
@@nob2243 its a habitual change via content intake, not trying just being :) you are what you eat(watch)
i refuse to believe Jreg actually got Young Americans For Liberty to sponsor this video
i thought you were joking before i got to the end of the video
There needs to be a Young Americans for Normal Human-Sized Legs. This riduculous trend of young people trying to have scrawny unrealistic anime stick legs in skinny jeans are causing many to devolop blood clots in their legs.
This generation will be in wheelchairs by the age of 35. Kids are dumb.
I believe its possible, and this makes me believe Jreg is at least an anarcho comunist since comunists dont believe in an armed populos, or at least hes centriest/left/libertarian
@@alexandremotkalyuk7184 no, hes just taking their money and shitting on them
@@alexandremotkalyuk7184 The YAfL is an American Libertarian organization, they're conservative and not actually a libertarian organization. If anything, this makes me think Jreg is at least LibLeft, because he does so much against Capitalists and authoritarians.
wait he looks sincere in this one
what did centricide do to this man i’m scared now
You didnt even finish the video yet
@@prophet_master nor has anyone
but what i’m saying is that he appears to be sincere
you don’t need to watch the entire video to see a change
also clown dead
Ah but you see if you put it at double speed to see it first.
@@jaxweby4343 True
@@jaxweby4343 you mean finished watch the whole centricide until up to date?
I think that the whole generational thing isn't as big as people assume it is. The actually important thing is: are you a big city kid or a village kid?
Village kids don't interact with many different people when growing up and they have to choose their friends among a small group - and no matter what they do, they will constantly run into the same people. "Don't be different" is the motto of this environment while everyone knows everything about you that somebody knows.
City kids perform their identity in front of a large audience - when they make acquaintances, they can choose from a big pool, so they choose people with petformances which resonate with their performance. They are a slightly different person in every context.
The internet gives us a way to exist as extreme big city kids, even if we live in small villages. One of the more interesting effects I've seen over the last maybe 15 years is that the cultural overton window has widened considerably as internet usage is common in most generations by now.
yup, gew up in rural areas, moved to a city.
I think you hit a pretty big factor contributing to this , I live in a big city and compared to my cousin's who I've met that live in rural towns one thing I noticed is that sometimes they experience intellectual incest and I think it can happen in large cities as well maybe.
I think the whole generational thing isn’t as big as people assume it is. The actually important thing is: are you an heir or a worker?
Heirs don’t interact with workers growing up and they have to choose their friends among a small group of their parents’ carefully curated social/familial circle. Don’t be different is the motto of this environment, while everyone knows you must grow up to continue your lineage and protect your own (and your class’s) interests.
Workers’ kids... blah blah blah ok I’m bored of writing this copypasta but you get the idea.
@@a_tiny_orange It's easy to co strict an argument with the same structure as any given argument. That doesn't mean that that argument fits the measurable data we have.
Yep hit the nail on the head all my mates and me grew up in a small village in England Devon all right wing
Don’t worry guys he killed the clown ironically meaning that he died ironically which mean he would come back ironically
Haha that’s so clever and funny man haha that’s some sick irony
@@witnessgem2504 haha your coment is so self conscius about its own irony, haha, thats something i never thought, one could be double ironic
@@alexandremotkalyuk7184 haha your coment is so self conscius about its own irony, haha, thats something i never thought, one could be double ironic
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God imagine if murder wasn't ironic
According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The bee, of course, flies anyways. Because bees don't care what humans think is impossible.
"Pure Ideology." -Slavoj Zizek in 'Jreg'
So I wasn't the only one who noticed the nose thingy
oh yes, a man of culture
Just watched that, lol
Slavoj Zizek possesing 'Jreg'
Mein Gott!
“People don't have ideas. Ideas have people.” ― Carl Jung
that moment when
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but people make ideas
@@thurlmusic It's a feedback loop.
@@thurlmusic the unconscious creates ideas. we are then subconsciously formed by them
Brace yourself for the rise of the pragmatist, the moderate, and the anti-ideological movement as this pendulum shoving reaches a crescendo and the next generation embraces borderline nihilism.
@Daniel Lourenço Affonso ^^^ this
Is nihilism like annihilation like that one terminator movie that's kinda weird why would that be a thing
@Daniel Lourenço Affonso next step is absolute hedonism
@Daniel Lourenço Affonso Individual sisyphean hedonic treadmills that exist collectively on top of a giant conveyor belt that leads off of a cliff. It's a shit forced metaphor to be sure, but that one black mirror ep with the lesbians that live forever in the computer might be a not terrible reference (though idk Hunger Games so I can't cumpare), you got that sadist club thing where people go just to feel anything at all or whatever because of the infinite virtual existence over time normalizing extremes. Or something.
The one thing I've gleamed from countless history classes is the rebelling against past generations. As ideologically driven people are today itll soon completely 180.
My political humor is at the point where "Trump is a leftist" made me laugh out loud.
@Eriko. Oy the bestist
@[TSA]canal mais variado/ most random channel My political humor is at the point where "my political humor is at the point where "my political humor is at the point where "Trump is a leftist" made me laugh out loud" made me laugh out loud" made me laugh out loud
@Indifferent Dude With how the divide in American politics works, and Socialist Realism, I wouldn't be surprised if someone legitimately thought of that idea.
@Indifferent Dude No, Hitler was a socialist.
@@benrex7775 Bernie Sanders is a fascist.
"you will never run into a person who identifies as a mercantalist"
ha ha, trade war with china go burrr
I live in the south and have never met a single person who genuinely likes the government.
*Signs the Declaratory Act at you*
Whoah I just learned abt Mercantallism in my history class today actually. I read an excerpt from “Austria over all, of only she wills it” where the author listed the rules and Mercantallism didn’t seem like such a bad idea, but apparently Capitalism eventually drove it out?
@@thelozenger2851 Mertantilism was the forefather of modern protectionism. Both kill the innovative drive of one's state. That is the main problem. If you use tarifs and subsidies for industries, they never will be competitive against others on the global scale. And will want to have more and more of those protections.
Seeing the whole state economy, all you do with tarifs or subsidies is transferring blood from your right hand into your left, spilling half of it on the ground.
But in that regard we are not much better with Keynes and modern monetary theory.
Editors note :
Mercantilism is special in the historical context. There were protections inside most states, tarifs in different regions of the states. Those were shifted outward. So in that regard it was a capitalist evolution. Much higher productivity by getting rig of barriers of inside traffic of money and goods. Today, it would be a leap back.
@@iwankazlow2268 Mercantilism was a bit broader than you are painting it. Smith critiqued it for its protectionism, but also its belief that wealh was finite/zero sum, if you recall. That belief is why Britain would colonize a place and then sell it shit in an attempt to drain it of is gold.
I think the big thing is community. Young, secular, culturally average people don't have much to rally around and derive purpose from. They need community either way though, and they *think* they'll find it online, which ends up radicalizing them since online communities more easily devolve into echo chambers
This
Jordan Peterson mentioned a lot of this, the “community” thing, the “ideological possession” thing...etc. I wonder where the original paper on this is
This is called „alienation“ and was first expanded on by big boy Karl Marx and his bro Friedrich Engels. While Marx was doing economic analysis, Engels wrote extensively on subjects such as the family and „tribal communism“, the classless society before the slaveholder societies. Engels came to the conclusion that capitalism, in order to organise the economy in a more efficient way to make profit, destroyed the traditional extended family and reduced them to what is now called the „nuclear family“. Community needed to be reduced in order to create markets for childcare instead of having grandparents take care of them etc. Many leftists believe and have believed since the beginnings of fascism that this alienation is the frustration and fear needed to radicalise people to fascism. That‘s why the internet today is full of fascists, they are miserable and alienated, therefore seek community in a fascistic brotherhood. Also, it‘s what radicalises leftists, so the fallout from capitalism‘s natural development would in theory always be socialism and fascism competing over a broken society.
@Keagan T Everyone uses identity politics. Liberals and conservatives use „American“, leftists use „working class“, trump uses „real Americans/patriots“, Biden uses „black Americans“ or „working class whites“ and fascists use „white“ or „real men“ etc. Identity politics and also cancel culture are things everyone does, but I also fail to see how that tactic is fascist. What about it is fascist and what is fascism to you?
@@ljlt2822 Bruh where have I said that? Can you read or are you actually part of the silent generation?
Young people have more energy, they don't have experience. Old people are just tired and don't give a fuck, they think nothings going to change
yeah thats basically it
That's probably it, and I would say older people are wiser for that.
Like, even if you have strong beliefs for a political ideology, you can't do anything by yourself, your actions won't change the current political events in the world, you're not in control of anything.
If there's nothing you can do individually, then just live your live happy and enjoy the moment.
"Biden goes around, touching things." He certainly does
Let’s not forget the sniffing
@@marshallmcluhan33 Reminds me of Frollo sniffing Esmeralda's hair.
Reminds me of the time trump would go into the dressing rooms of young female actresses, or the dressing rooms of his show. Many many other stories. Both are shitty get over it
@@nateharris5012 I mean yeah I do find it funny. I don't understand what's so bothersome about it
@Toaster Penguins remember that time where the alleged victim came out and said it didn’t happen, and Trump was one of the first people to deny meetings with Epstein after word broke out about the island? Furthermore girls who had stayed on the island have stated that they never saw trump, and the only known flight trump DID take with Epstein wasn’t even to the island?
wait a second, liberal and conservative aren’t the only two political ideologies?! news to me Jreg
No, there's also bdsm
@@lazergurka-smerlin6561 yes bdsm thanks for mentioning my ideology
And there's no food ideology
@@lordbivash6491 seems kinda g a y to me
wtf is this pic, look like youre straight out an asylum
My doctor: Unironic Jreg isn’t real he can’t hurt you
Unironic Jreg:
What makes you think this is unironic?
some many layers of irony maaaaan
@@naomikasumier6843 Maybe the Irony is that he made a genuine video, while we were expecting to go off the deep end really fast?
If you think about it, he's still playing a character; specifically the character of the TH-camr Antony Guevara, which we've already seen once in the Ideology Reveal videos. I think it would be fair to say that this character is pretty similar to the IRL Antony Guevara, but I can't prove this.
@@noahegler9131 I thought his name was Greg?
30yo here: I was more ideological. I still am probably more than average. I'm less so now because it honestly just got tiring. I know that's not a good reason, but having to constantly come up with ideological backings for all my arguments just felt like a waste of time when I have more immediate, "real world" problems of making sure I don't ruin my entire life with my laziness.
Makes perfect sense, it’s literally the triangle levels of life thing that jung made, you take care of necessities before you worry about higher level shit, if you can be bothered
that’s capitalism, baby! Wears you down until you can’t focus on anything but staying alive!
@@jackieAZ
Actually the "triangle thing" is Maslow's hierarchy. Just an fyi.
@@MinecraftMasterNo1 ah yep my bad, thx for correction
@E S I noticed you don’t have a profile pic, care to get one so the rest of us can judge?
Its fun listening to Jreg when he isn't being completely ironic
Maybe he’s being ironic about being not ironic
He's clearly a thoughtful guy. No wonder his comedy is so good.
ironic jreg is funny until the dread sets in. unironic jreg is funny, witty and interesting all the time.
Im post-ironically watching an ironically unironic video by an irony channel
@@poifish7442 I am unironically ironing my unironed shirt
I had an amusing thought: Jreg probably has among the most ideologically-diverse of fan bases.
Its quite interesting because most are radicals and the ensuing battle royale is quite interesting to watch
i know the subreddit leans lib, specially lib left, but its still pretty diverse!
Probably a result of point #3: Supermarket of Ideology. Jreg's audience must necessarily know about a lot of different ideologies because Jreg talks about it all the damn time, and knowing about the variability in ideology results in variability of ideology
Nah, we're all off compass libleft
@@pacotaco1246 Speak for yourself
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Jreg is technically a Zoomer
BASED
What age even is Jebediah Reg?
@@barkingmad7090 23 I think
based zoomer
Based
May 1997.
23 years old.
Jreg wanted Yang. Yang is the only person who Jreg has mentioned that is not Biden or trump. He’s a definite Libertarian and accelerationist due to how he talks and what he emphasizes by mentioning it multiple times slowly.
Imagine liking yang
@@Ahmed-qn5wj Free money! Oh, what are my other policies? Free money!
@@chancellorpalpatine7486 that's a bizzare oversimplification
@@chancellorpalpatine7486 says the technocratic Fascist
@@pallen1665 What are you talking about? I love democracy
“I’ve talked about myself a little too much recently...”
Have you? Who? Jreg has talked about himself? Greg has talked about himself? Post left has talked about queeself? This channel has so many characters and layers of irony that all meaning and communication has been rendered void! I need answers and I’m scared
Your need of answers is what makes you weak.
Weakness is Centrism.
Do you want to be a centrsit?
True it honestly scares me. Probably becuase I am can't take looking at these large consepts. I think it's becuase of some halusiantions I have had before.
come on, queeself is like saying sheself, it's quemself
did you watch centricide 7
*quemself
Whelp, everybody. He did it. He said he'd do it, and he did it.
The Clown is dead.
The Crown is dead.
_Long live the Crown._
When Jreg starts talking about ideologies as "ghosts that inhabit you" and saying that if you don't believe in them you are just "spooked"... HMMMMMMMM
He's a post leftist... oh shit
I'm a liberalist|| centricide 7.spook
Clean your brain, buckbeak
"You'll get more conservative as you get closer to 30."
Me at 28: Burn it all down!
You at 30: Burn *half* of it down
@@perverse_ince And drown the the other half
I'm 30 and have gone even further left
Probably because you don’t own anything,so don’t care as much if the system falls compared to others that have a stake in stability
Me at 27.5: No god exists. Democracy is a dream. Hope is lost. Children are hungry.
*F I V E*
You're gonna piss of the anarchists using words like "Top Down"
does not matter, lib left has become too post left to care and lib right is to busy rolling in cash
@@OMGwtfSTFUbrb a libleft criticizing other people who are libleft, is this r/politicalcompassmemes?
@@nunkatsu i liked this
@Celtic Revival / Adfywiad Celtaidd based
Honestly that one sentence made me think so much I think I want to write an essay about it
Post-ironic neo-sincerity Jreg is a twist I did not anticipate. Neat!
Ay nice profile
Why look at one direction for your politics when you can look in EVERY direction? Thank you jreg for teaching me that.
Or you can just not look. Lucky dip is definitely the way to go
I was alt-right, Until I went outside.
Now I'm a radical centrist.
**sigh of relief**
I was far left before until I opened my eyes... now I am a Anarcho super extremist anti centrist accelerationist supreme
@kat why stop at Republicans?
@kat Most Centrists these day's are essentially conservatives that no longer wish to align themselves with the republican party for various reasons. I guess the best example is someone who is a strong gun-supporter and wishes for lower taxes and fewer bureaucratic regulations across the board, but feels alienated by the heavy religious undertones and other general republican mishaps. This is purely anecdotal, but I've recently become extremely depressed as everyone in my circle is a hard-pressed leftist/socialist and I'm constantly bombarded daily with some rather vigorous anti-trump sentiment. My belief on political policy is most closely aligned to a libertarian, and so the obvious candidate for me would be Trump as a vote for Biden would be against a lot of things I truly believe in. But saying that I would support Trump makes me feel sick to my stomach, and I could hardly muster the words if you asked me irl. In fact, I probably wouldn't say anything at all in fear of ostracization. It's much the same feeling but reversed when surrounded by republican's as this time I almost feel as if I'm a liberal.
@kat I love how people are genuinely responding to you in total seriousness and not outright insulting you, and presenting information in a totally reasonable manner.
I am not American, and I did not understand what Jreg was even promoting at the end, but I am now convinced to join the cause.
FOR THE CONSTITUTION!
I read the website and don't even understand what YAL does. They just say the word "liberty" every other sentence and never explain what their positions are. A perfect fit for Jreg!
It’s the NRA
FOR THE *unspecified argument that has led to dictatorship and horrors
Most of the comments are jokes lol, but I guess I'll say this. My interaction with politics has become very unstable. I'm probably crazy, but theres this sort of culture that you HAVE to have all your political views set in stone even though you're only like 16. There's no time to digest or research or understand its just "What's your label so I know if I like you or not". It's really easy to fall down rabbit holes without really knowing where you're going
That's why we should look at eachother as humans and not labels..
Same. I've been all over the fucking compass lmao.
Same like people expected me to have it all figured out when I was twelve. I don't even know what I will do they next day let alone having a political ideology.
You're right, also there is not enough exposure to the actual effects of certain ideas. What I mean is when you are young even if you watch a lot of politics etc all you really get are ideas, which don't apply perfectly to the real world, and then what we are left with is a lot of people who view politics as just abstractions that don't really affect others.
Edit: Also as Jreg said before the internet i feel like people had to builld up their ideas thru life expirience, seeing what a policy does etc. What i mean is that a person would slowly fall into having an ideology. In contrast to today where people first see an idea and then try to affirm it by picking and choosing which expirience to count.
I guess that's why so many people fell down the alt-right pipeline in the recent years, and there's even been talk about a leftist pipeline (although this one seems less dangerous, at least).
He is using a greenscreen. "Green" screen. Therefore he is being sincere.
Let’s also remember that he literally destroyed the red circle at the beginning, further proving that this is definitely not a lie.
And threw away the clown wig
Please, I don't want to fall back down that rabbit hole
@@dr.seesaw8894 is everything I want
Green... like in the political compass?! Jreg is AnCom!?!
Almost 30. I definitely got less ideological as time went on. The reasons probably go something like this:
1. I was tired of being wrong, changing my ideology, and then being wrong again.
2. The more I learned about things the more I realized I was wrong about things.
3. I definitely understand humans and human motivation better than I use to.
Jreg just talking normally is unnerving now.
I found it oddly comforting. Like, being genuine is such a pleasant feeling, whether it’s you doing it or if it’s someone doing it to you.
@@jasonfrancese8359 is he being genuine, or is he just 10 layers of irony deep that we can't comprehend the joke
@@jasonfrancese8359 welcome to a parasocial relationship.
@@jacobjacob5364 I mean, what could he be ironic about in this video? Methinks this is a rare peek into Jreg’s actual beliefs. Probably assisted by him destroying the mental illness clown stuff.
@@jasonfrancese8359 does destroying the clown now end weird ironic content? This is deep lore shit
"I'm gonna posit something people might disagree with."
Holy shit the character development! He's having and expressing opinions on topics!
Why are young people more ideological?
it's mostly the *Kids in america*, I believe that because the country is run by two parties, not a lot of other ideologies are shown, but say in a country like Germany, where I am from, we have infinite amount of ideologies that are being tested every Bundestag election, so young people or really people here get to see what actually works and what doesn't
also another theory:
Young people are still undeveloped, so we are still looking for an identity, that is why we will try to find any ideology that might fit our personality AKA we have no clue of the world, so we keep changing believes to keep up with our fastly changing world view(AND THE INTERNET HELPS WITH THE FAST CHANGE TOO), that's why we keep changing ideologies
Yep totally agree with your second point, just look at how often teenagers go through “phases” of what they’re into, style of dress etc (at least I did, lol). Once you grow up you mature and have a more solid worldview and understanding of your identity.
Edit- also they’re more impulsive and risk taking (hence why they make perfect soldiers) so I assume that makes it easier to pick up an ideology.
It's definitely the later, Young people are more vulnerable to believe BS. It's why Marketing/Ad Agencies prime for that demographic because it's easier to morph your product to their belief and scew it your way. It's also why TEEN, Young Adult and MIGRANTS ideologies are so similar.
They say that In America 16-25 will be BLUE, by the time they are 25-35 they turn RED. After that they pull away from ideologies all together , it's not until they are retired that they go back to being political, yearning for the good ol days , because OLDER people are more vulnerable too.
But in LATIN AMWERICA there are several ideologies too and so many parties to choose from, in the end , they are just as bad as the party they replaced.
yeah that's pretty much it
we're basically trying to explore what does or doesn't work for us and learn about different concepts, then form thoughts and opinions on them
it can also feel like ideologies help form some sort of philosophy to live by, like mutualism or social darwinism
It hasn't been so long ago when there were effectively three influential parties in Germany. The conservatives, the liberals and the social democrats. Other parties existed, but were usually seen as "the rest". And when the green party rose to power, the neoliberals took over in it from the ideologues.
The way majorities work now in our parliament's are very unlike what you had before.
And even in the parties themselves, the youth organizations are significantly more radical than the rest of the parties
@@AlexBermann except for the CSU were the young people are surprisingly less radical
I agree with the internet part, especially since they tend to stay in their own echo chambers so when they actually have conversations where they have to defend their stance, they kind of fumble around. Atleast from my experience. A lack of exposure and life experience causes alot of people to form their views from more of a emotional stance, so realize it wont work or dont agree with it, they then switch. They are trying to find where they fit and need to try each one out beforehand. I think if more young people take the dive into figuring out the different ideologies and comparing it with themselves and in their mind what can, and can't work, we will see a more spread out field of ideologies. Young people tend to stick into the "left or right" way of things which restrict themselves from properly aligning themselves with the ideology they properly align with. While I myself jumped out abit (25), I was able to properly examine it, unlike those who say "I'm a liberal cause I dont like boomers or conservatives".
The only reason I learn about most ideologies is to make fun of them.
Anarchism - Yeah, no government! Also if you don't agree with our ideas we'll fucking kill you!
Communism - Everything is equally distributed! Ignore the pile of cash behind me!
Capitalism - This system totally works! Ignore the thousands of sweatshops.
Hi Jreg, sounds like you’re discussing something that many call “reality tunnels” something Robert Anton Wilson talked and write about extensively. Especially with the internet the number of reality tunnels influencing people has fragmented and diversified among the world population. Where in the 1950s there was a monoculture, then 1960s mainstream vs counter culture... this fragmentation keeps splitting again and again where now there’s uncountable numbers of micro cultures and people belong to dozens of them.
These micro cultures always existed, they're just disassociated from eachother and there's almost a lack of a clear zietgiest.
Yes! Here's one of Robert's Anton Wilson's book on it (Prometheus Rising): www.whale.to/c/Prometheus%20Rising.pdf
The idea we don't come into conflict is pretty wrong you do get echo chambers but they are very different from real life. That's because real life is a much more like an echo chamber than the internet. You only hear what people around physically have to say. On the internet you are much likely to meet people you will never meet irl. The internet is actually more like different echo chambers that spontaneously emeet each other and then explosions happen.
a big shout out to "YOUNG AMERICANS for LIBERTY" for keeping the proletariat armed
2A applies to everyone, even dirty commies
@@slicedGabe pretty sure we have 10 times the hygiene of sweaty, basement dwelling auth-right
The workers shall resist attempts to disarm them, by force if necessary.
@@user-zy6uo8it2f "Everyone I don't like is a fascist", my favorite rebuttal
@@user-zy6uo8it2f why must you project your insecurities on others lmao
"You cant not be possessed by a ghost"
Max stirner and his spookbuster 3000 will like to have a word with you
This made me think, what if the ghosts of evola, rand, kim and guevara were possessed too when they were alive.
Ah well that would be chaotic.
You clearly havent read stirner nor understand him, he says you should have your own spook but actively acknowledge you have it (over simplification but we dont mind it here in Jreg)
>stirner
ego is the biggest spook
Calling things spooks is a spook
Y’all really be out here like: “Are you a democrat or a republican?” Bruh, I would destroy every government in the world if I could. Haha, JK.😂 .....Unless?😳
Based
based moment
This is a certified edit: thanks for the kind gold stranger bruh-pilled based classic moment.
@@gjones9282 wholesome big chungus elon musk moment
The dark ages ending from Deus Ex?
5:50 "Andrew Yang might be considered a radical centrist."
I now want to see him photoshopped into the radical centrist costume. Give him the robe and shades.
So true though, I’ve never been able to pin him down, the closest i got was liberal populist, however contradictory it sounds
A radical moderate would be a Royalist. Back in the days of the First French Republic, the political spectrum of France considered Royalists as "too moderate" while the too radical are the Patriots, aka Revolutionaries and Jacobins
Yeah Andrew Yang is a very interesting “politician” because he seems like neither moderate dem nor progressive dem I mean that’s why I would like him run for Congress or something and see how he would vote on different things and what his deals would be because I mean I feel like he is wasting his potential if he just runs for president a position he will probably never win.
I feel like the social libertarian marker isn't too far off -- I'm probably a tad right of Andrew Yang but he is by far and away my favorite politician on the national stage.
@@ravinmarokef same boat my compass puts me at Social Libertarian or Lib Center. Decriminalize drugs and give America UBI #YangGang
The ending is especially funny when you remember he's Canadian
please dont milk your cat again
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HUCIVIGKKSIC
wait WHAT
I'm in my mid-thirties. When I was younger, it was all Left / Right or Party A / Party B.
By my late twenties I was starting to see everything more in terms of competing ideologies, this forced me to confront what my actual core beliefs were.
Thanks for sharing your stories grandpa. Really interesting.
I think im going through something similar now
The good thing about that is that there‘s a much wider range of beliefs. There‘s only so many parties (especially in the US), but ideology is a very flexible thing. I settled on far left a few years ago, but because I‘m in a constant dialogue with the outside world, I can take on many different opinions from the experiences I gather in political conflicts and in contact with everyday people
33 year old Aussie here. Politics aren't really a big deal here (not compared to America anyway) but even without knowing political ideologies I've always been a Leftist due to basic empathy for my fellow humans.
(I'm also literally a born "Lefty" by being left handed)
this feels like my first school project with all the pauses and hand movments
imagine thinking jreg’s channel is about politics LMAOOOOOO couldn’t be me
I mean he actually said this was an arts channel
@Zodore i don’t want politics in my witcher 3 epic chungus keanu reeves moments
What an elitist
politics are too complex for my ant brain
The jreg channel it's stressful like that...
The sarcasm of not being sarcastic. The irony of not being ironic.
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jrejg
We are in hell
Googles _"How sound to insane using sanity in an insane world"_
shut
People nowadays (the youth, especially) are constantly bombarded by information through the internet. Meaningfully parsing through this endless sea of info is nigh impossible without some heuristics, some mental shortcuts. I think the Information Age has basically forced us to evolve into ideology-dependent, low-attention span beings. The less time you spend looking for meaning in an infinite stream of info, the better. To make the process faster, people subscribe to ideologies with pre-packaged sets of meaning.
We have somehow mistakenly thought that exposing people with more and more info about the world would somehow automatically make us into smart, critical, emphatic beings. Clearly that's not the case, as we see hundreds of thousands of people nowadays feeling "emotional burnout" from learning about too much of the horrrors currently happening around the globe. The primate brain was never meant to process this much info all at once.
Indeed, humans are not machine learning algorithms. And even they have their own struggles with bad data samples lol.
Part of evolution I guess, one day we might finally make a way out in this bog, but I doudt I'd live that long or at least live long enough to witness it near my dead end. But conversely, despite all the horrors happening in the world now, let's not forget this is ironically humanity's most peaceful era, the world is progressing far faster than ever before. Even another world war might just be minor setback of a few decades before everyone stands back up again. The old owners of industry will be replaced whether they like it or not, sooner or later, it's a matter whether their descendants will catch up with the new and throw away the old inefficient methods. The consequences of global warming might snap back and freeze the earth into a medium ice age, but people are already living in those sort of conditions, so it won't too much of a problem, aside from a few billion dead. And yeah, I'm nihilist enough to think a billion is few, despite how that seriously conflicts with my optimistic belief that humans can pull through any sort of disaster nature throws at us, unless we're really stupid enough to think carpet bombing every major city with nukes is a good idea.
@@guycross493 You do know evolution requires lots of people not having sex AND getting lucky that someone's DNA fucks up in a helpful way
And multiple that 100x
Evolution in the past does not mesh with the societies and technology we've built
@Why Boo Our furless thing butts? naw
@Lö Nubz_95 You know that will fail thanks to some good old sexism, racism, classism ALL the 'isms
Jokes on you! Here in Northern Ireland, the young people aren’t ideological cuz our grandparents went a little overboard ideologically and the young people have enough sense not to repeat what our grandparents did. It’s sort of a rule to never bring up politics or religion among young people.
TLDR: I’m a young centrist and my granddad was a terrorist
too bad the English went too ideological on Northern Island and spent almost the last 1000 years conquering and subjugating it and suppressing native practices, cultural mannerisms, and dialects
I get what you mean. My friend's entire family line has been involved with the IRA, up until his dad I think.
Don't worry, your children and children's children will go crazy in the future
Do you hold hands with your friend on your night patrols?
Lmap
Oh, he really did kill the clown
lol
Good
The only good clown is a dead clown.
Really didn't get what the clown zone was about in centricide 7
@@hakira2725 if you didn't get it you should rewatch the whole Centricide 7 again
My father, who doesn't really use the internet much, identifies as (and according to other relatives has done so for quite a while) something very close to anarcho-monarchism. He of course doesn't use this term, but it really gets closest to what he thinks.
And yeah. I suffer. It's hell.
also I can't believe this YAL bs link is actually real oh god
@@MajorLeagueBassboost 2nd post.
wut?
@@thegoodkidboy7726 Jreg is actually being sponsered by Young Americans For Liberty, dispite shit-talking the organisation in the ad.
He's tryna make us forget about BIG CD!
@@thecynth3820 You mean Big DVD case.
The misdirect is clearly working.
@@E4439Qv5 shit. Well, time to go and ironically kill myself
I'll be pushing 30 here soon, so I'm basically on the verge of senility. That being said, one thing I'm beginning to figure out in a more substantial way is that as you get older, you may tend to trust less. Whatever the specifics are of the reasons you may have for that- as well as when/if that will really happen for you personally- will depend on your own life experience. Thus, it can become more difficult to convince yourself to explore/take on new ideologies and forms of yourself; you begin to coagulate more into whatever your epiphanies drive you to recognize as important aspects of yourself and your perceived place in society(these things will probably still change with age, it's just that that change will tend over time to be driven more from within than it will from without). I imagine that to be the reason for younger people by and large being so much more progressive and willing to explore new ideas(not to mention the massively expanded marketplace of ideas that we have access to today, as you mentioned).
Pair that with your level of isolation. It not only matters how isolated you are, but also *in what way* , and *with whom* . You may be isolated within a friend or peer group, or within your family... maybe even just plain isolated. You may have a family/friend/peer group, but isolate your views *from* that family/friend/peer group in some way. The main difference between the older generations and us is probably the nature of our isolation... the older generations didn't have the same methods of communication that we do, so they were stuck with the few communities they had access to. Until recently, the range of acceptable discourse has been limited by things like locality, access to peers, or media restrictions- limitations that eventually broke down completely thanks to the advent of the internet(or even just getting old enough to be able to pay for long-distance phone calls, if you want to go back a little bit further). The result is that relatively wacky ideas can thrive way more than they used to. This makes for a slew of new ways for people to inform their ideas of friendship and their political views. We spout memes, we latch on to small things that resonate with us, we don't usually hang on to most things for very long, and we sometimes arrive at the things that we decide are worth sticking with in the long run... It's like how fads are, only somehow even more embarrassing at times. I could say more, but it's a TH-cam comment, so bye
I hope that helped somebody in some way, because I can't help but feel like I basically just drooled on your comment section.
@@el_spaghetto I thought it was a good read ^^
@@el_spaghetto And no need to be self-conscious-- it's the TH-cam comment section, after all. Sometimes I write a long screed just because I want to feel an idea out.
@@el_spaghetto I literally gasped when I hit "read more", got to the end so I am demanding a cookie. Jokes aside, thanks for sharing man :)
I'm pushing 40 so I know what you mean. My experience is that the more you live (in reality) the more humble you are. Reality is neither good nor bad, it just is. There is death, sickness, inequalities but also life, health and love. Like the yangyang, you need both. I learned to appreciate reality the way it is and it made me relax, become a centrist... I guess it is no so much an age thing but more about the relationship with reality one has...
As someone who has gotten less extreme over the years, I found that the internet "community" is what influences young people the most. Like you said, instead of going into politics out of interest, they go based on a community and try to justify the GROUPS positions rather than form their own positions. For example, when I was young I found myself taking the Political Compass Test and thinking "What would X answer?" After going to college, experiencing the SJW types and far left types, followed by having experiences with the far right online, you really just realize how much you disagree with it all in person. Something else important to add is that young people simply have more time to justify extreme ideologies. They have time to go out on the internet to fringe communities and try to use mental gymnastics. Older people who work and go to college are frustrated with their real life experiences and tend to find a more centrist ideology that is based on the issues they face. Ex. a minority who feels discriminated against might side with democrats since they seem like the more "pro-equality" party. Alternatively, people who feel attacked by progressivism might feel more drawn to the counter-culture side of the Republicans or Libertarians.
To sum up what I'm saying, exposure to extremism, the desire to be part of a community, and time do mental gymnastics leads young people to more extremist ideologies while older, more busy people are more drawn to "common sense" ideas more related to their struggles and experiences.
Though I'm not old, just 22. But I've been super political since I was like 12 holding some dumb opinions and associating with dumbasses. My outlook might still be developing; who knows.
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You're not old. Though the internet probably feels that way.
Maybe now that you either left or completed college take the time to meet some leftists in your community. And remember not everyone "radicalized" because of college. Many did because of their experience in working and you'll find more of those types outside of college.
Maybe you'll become far more radical then you ever thought possible. These are crazy times.
Based on
"Clown to clown communication"
The best definition of political discussions on the Internet
Pies.
Pies everywhere.
"Look, I dont wanna flex on you to much with my gun skills But here is just a taste"
BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA
I now want to run for office just to barrel sweep the entire crowd with poor trigger discipline. I know they will appreciate such an intense display of freedom.
You finally killed it
Nice
Also the answer is because we’re always on our darn phones
Edit: i was right :)
Also great video I’ve finished it now
I would say the idea of community would be one of the strongest draws to becoming ideological. Being a part of a larger movement and feeling like your input has value and weight would help to encourage committing yourself to said ideology. While the internet is definitely a major factor in discovering said ideologies, I feel the false sense of community would be what locks someone into said ideology.
Sorry Jjreggins, I cannot watch right now. I’m in class. I’ll be back later
Sin
Damn... that fucking sucks. Maybe you should punch your teacher in the face so you go to jail and can watch the video there
Shame I just watched in class.
Sin
Just leave the class ironically, so the teacher understands.
I feel like in the physical world ideas are based on your experience in life. You realize what doesn’t work throughout your life, but for younger people there is no barrier. Everything they believe in is just theory or others people’s experience. Which I don’t think is bad because it creates more dialogue about problems that aren’t talked about. I think the problem is when they adopt experience from the internet who are literally crazy or lieing.
I think that theoretically any ideology can function. The question is can it function here and now under these circumstances in this country with these politicians
@@CMCSS-to3to I‘d say fascism can‘t possibly function but almost anything else I‘d agree with
@@rurak2727 it worked for spain
@@sasi5841 I don‘t really know, they were very limited after the world war because they couldn‘t act on their desire for eternal war, because for one, fascism got fucked in the war and twice, the civil war made the people exhausted
@@rurak2727 how do you know they had a desire for external war
I think another thing that could be making people ideological is that having political beliefs is becoming socially expected in certain circles. Growing up in an extremely conservative religion, I was taught as a kid some political participation was needed to get into heaven. After I left that religion I ended up in progressive circles, and there was this sentiment that not being political was harmful to minorities. Both times I took up the ideology that gave me the best social standing without questioning it.
Based
Very based
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A little bit based, I guess
This is I think he first unironic Jreg video I've ever watched. Good shit dude.
Jreg has played me so hard in the past that now I'm actually cautious and scared to admit that I enjoyed this sincere analysis and found it very insightful. Am I being PLAYED AGAIN?! Have I TAKEN THE BAIT?!
Yes.
But also... yes.
I don't think he's ever made a video that was 100% ironic. Every one of them contains some of his own sincere beliefs, but they're muddled in with the fiction so you can't ever know for sure. The video on porn addiction is a great example. He's probably not an anti-porn crusader, but some of those arguments were too well reasoned to just be mindless satire. (Also his early videos are almost all unironic. I remember liking the one about a Jake Paul music video.)
Boomer Politics: It HAS to be left or right!!! Nothing else exists outside of that!
Zoomer Politics: It HAS to be against at least one group of people responsible for it all!
God I hate that kind of Zoomer politics
I hate those kind of people.
"those damn nazis"
"those damn socialists"
"those damn rich people"
"those damn * insert nationality and/or religion *"
You know I was actually taught in school from a young age the all of politics is liberal to conservative. It's terrible.
To be fair, boomer politics is basically become left vs right rather than left or right
When the clown shows how monsterous society is, he shouldn't be suprised when the society tears him apart like monsters.
~Joker, 2019
excuse me?
~jonkler 2019 BC
*surprised
Seeing the lack of thorough analyses of ideology, and the fact that most culturally influential material is online, I wonder if videos like these will actually be studied one day as a way of deeply understanding the massive ideological shifts and divergences of the 21st century. Great video again Jreg.
That may have been a visual metaphor at the beginning but all it made me want is "cooking with Jreg"
2020 is so exhausting. I wish it was the late 1800s and I’d have my potato farm out in the west and wouldn’t have a care on the world about what John C. Calhoun is tweeting about half across the continent. This internet-fueled political new age is not healthy.
Sounds like Agrarianism.
ok yeoman
lets be real 'might makes right' and Empires were far less of a drag, just cheer for whatever team you were born into. I want to capture pointless Pacific islands and sink slaving ships whilst drinking rum and lime with my boat buddies.
Farming in the 1800s would also be exhausting. Generally you'd feel the same day to day as you do now.
Although I can see the appeal, at least you'd be healthy and have your mind clear.
@@LancesArmorStriking Work is great for body and mind! Until you overdo it, then you get hurt. :-)
YANG GANG 2020! *sobs quietly in a corner while chanting*
This is a personal Attack
I wish man but now im going for jo Jorgensen cause biden suck ass
Yang Gang / Humanity Forward 2024! We're still out here! Also do y'all think a social libertarian is the best descriptor for him?
We have 4 years to prep. The future is still ahead of us
@@ravinmarokef wait what’s the difference between liberal libertarian and social liberalism? Because yang describes his platform as “capitalism but you don’t start at zero” which I am 100% for ubi is better than taking out loans from a bank to start your business or just save for the future.
As someone from the "older demographic"... My feeling is that I grew up in a de-ideologized time. Late 90s, early 2000s. That does not mean that there wasn't ideology around, quite the contrary. But the dominant ideology was the "end of history" narrative: The western democratic capitalist system has won, we're all free and happy now, yay! ... and even if you weren't happy, the feeling was rather that there was nothing that anyone could do, so young people were very depoliticized, minding their own business and questioning little. I'm from Germany, mind you, but I have the feeling that this was true for large parts of the "western world". Also, the internet wasn't very much a thing back then.
Clowns: Exist
Jreg: *STOMP*
People have replaced religion with political ideologies
This.
Fact
Yeah, that is exactly what has happened
I havent heard this before and I love it.
If only that were true...
The decline of traditional religion has left people without a clear sense of purpose in life and without a belief system to justify all the suffering in their lives. Extremist political groups usually provide a single group on which people can blame all their problems. This is usually some sort of ruling elite, but it can be muslims, jews, the rich, the liberals, or even women.
The benefits of the enormous economic growth of the past 30 years have been predominantly enjoyed by those that were already rich 30 years ago. The far-left and far-right provide reasons as to why the national economy seems to have grown while they've been left behind.
Nah, scapegoating has been around for ages. Consider the Chirstian treament of Jews in the medieval period.
Historically religion is no different from political extremism. The soft, feel good, personal religion you're referring to is innate to the lack of political identity you're talking about
So my scapegoat is myself? neat.
@@semi-useful5178 That's actually the funny thing. Some people assume that when you don't have a belief system to justify the suffering in your life, you buck up and take responsibility for the actions that got you where you are. But the thing is that people's suffering is not their own fault, as the world is random, chaotic, and cruel, and your misery can only be blamed on your own failures for so long before you descend into a spiral of self hatred. That's why in my mind, any belief system, be it religious or political, that allows people to make sense of an inherently chaotic and scary world is a good one.
@@benjaminteixeira4709
That is true, however, my examination has led me to the conclusion that I am responsible for the majority of my problems, once I fix myself I will go fix my external problems.
This is the most serious Jreg video I’ve ever seen
You're right Jreg, my ideology often hovers behind me like a stand~
This comment is probably gonna get lost but you've really grown on me Jreg. I feel as if the level of modernity we are at now has stripped you of what was once your young hopes and dreams and replaced them with a hope to pursue a path that helps other not make the same mistakes you did or were forced to make by the environment you were put into. But the truth is you still have potential to reach the goals your denying yourself of. I hope you can find the same level of happiness in your ambitions as I do in your videos. It may mean relatively nothing but I have faith that you'll find content eventually.
this appeared in my recommended with the note "death grips viewers also watch this channel"
can confirm
I think being focused on ideology is incredibly helpful. Often times we act in ways that are in line with some aspect of us, whether it be our personalities, our mood disorders, our religious indoctrination, our personal morals, etc. Identifying what core values a person has can help predict what kinds of actions they will take. Of course this isn't perfect, or even ideal because people and their ideologies change, as you pointed out. But even for a short period of time, a person is acting in accordance to some principle and identifying that principle is important.
The boomer mentality that Jreg discusses here is essentially one of aesthetics: "how does this candidate make me feel interpersonally?"
On the other hand, the internet isn't person to person but rather community to community, and that means two things:
1. Specific policy issues are less often discussed simply because they are not widely applicable/relatable enough. If people do ever bring up specific policies, it's usually as a springboard to a larger ideology (e.g. Peterson and C16).
2. If a political figurehead becomes *personally* disagreeable, they can always be replaced. Hence, presentation of one's personal brand no longer matters as much (since there are so many alternative options that everyone can find a pundit that they like), but the aesthetic of one's *community* does. For example, casting aside any pure ideological or values-based differences, consider feminism's online reputation. It's cringe. It's hyperemotional and weak and emblematic of "snowflakery". Contrast that with the aesthetic of rationality that Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro like to present. Alternatively, contrast "cool, rational" atheism on the internet with the Evangelical tradition.
Your average person on the internet simply doesn't have the time to really pick through the facts, no matter how much both sides would like to claim that their ideology is fact-based. Nor can it be policy-based; again, it's simply too much work, and it won't resonate with a lot of people.
This framework helps to explain a lot of the modern online political landscape. Contrapoints and Philosophy Tube are two channels with a very obvious aesthetic, and both deal with larger philosophical ideas than concrete policy issues. HBomberguy has a very recognizable style, and his most popular videos are responses to single videos, rather than a deep dive into a specific topic.
Jordan Peterson is very much loves to deal with very abstract and dense philosophy as well. And, while it may seem that Ben Shapiro is more policy driven, his most famous videos are debates about ideology/philosophy, and there is no denying that those early viral videos very much defined his "facts not feelings" aesthetic.
And finally, consider Milo Yiannopoulos, the darling of the alt-right with a very recognizable brand who immediately fell from grace after distasteful information leaked about him. He has since been replaced by other rising figures on the right. If Milo had been a traditional thought leader, then it would have been a huge blow to the alt-right, but since the internet has lowered the barrier of entry for so many people, he simply... disappeared.
So yes, the internet has made zoomers more philosophical and ideological. But it has also made them more communal.
Ok, you had me up until "Milo Yiannopoulos, darling of the alt right."
He's gay and Jewish and has black husband. Literally everything that the alt-right hates. The alt-right are white nationalists and neo-nazis you dumbass.
Please stop getting your news from CNN and the Guardian, oh my god. Next you'll claim that JBP is the darling of the alt-right, or Ben Shapiro. That's how hilariously wrong you are.
Otherwise, I mostly agree with your premise.
@@Capt.Thunder
Apparently you have not seen the majority of the "Alt-right" fantasising about having a cute jewish trad-wife.
@gamer time I think Milo himself would call himself a stereotype, he leans into that for attention. But he is literally ticking every single hatebox that the alt right has and he has no affiliation with them. I don't see the point of your comment.
@gamer time You actually have no idea what you are talking about. Milo has nothing to do with the Alt Right and the Proud Boys have nothing to do with racial identitarianism. You're so laughably wrong it's hysterical.
Guardian reader detected.
last time I was this early Jreg's name was still pronounced as Jreg
its pronounced "jreg"
Jreeg
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Jreg? And unironic actual opinion? Centricide really changed him, man...
jreg i want more genuine sincere videos like this. i know you dont want to reveal your real political positions, one of the reasons why is because that kind of takes away from the funny, but i think you have your own reasons, and i respect that. its your ideas, its your content. but this video put into words why its so hard as a zoomer to communicate with my gen x mom about politics. and these videos are both funny, and genuinely informative and thought provoking in a way. please do more jregulation.
them: “How’s college?”
me: 0:19
all viewers over 24 are the ones that lied about their birthyear when creating their gmail
Can confirm i did that once but I need to do that cause I'm 18
Soo...you invited this...
I'm 57 years old. Some of the young people on one of the Discord servers I'm on (yeah, I'm on Discord) were discussing politics at the beginning of the year and mentioned your channel - I've been watching ever since.
I don't consider myself politically savvy, yet I keep finding that I do actually seem to know more - both about the actual function of government and law, and how personal ideologies in *my* generation at least don't seem to influence actual voter actions so much as perception of "strong" leadership - even when a leader is so obviously, fundamentally wrong.
For more on that, I suggest www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/2020/08/25/authoritarian-tendencies-in-the-american-electorate-part-1/.
Informing this is Generations Theory. I'm utterly unqualified to judge it, so it may be a case of self-fulfilling prophecy or even Nostradamus syndrome, but the theory that every 4 years the "dominant" (oldest) generation acts to tear down the social structure and the next rebuilds it with improvements.
I've verified that predictions made by extollers of this theory as early as 1997 do seem to be happening with almost eerie accuracy *now*.
For more on this, in easily digestible form:
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As a side note - since watching your videos I've made a joke of espousing "Anarcho-Centrism" - doing nothing while the extremes fight each other to exhaustion and then getting back to (a new) normal. This is basically passive encouragement of Left Accelerationism, as the Overton Window never moves right for long (long being relative, of course).
A couple of the more informed young people saw Centricide 8.1 and DMed me - I'm now somewhat of a celebrity as they believe I anticipated you lol.
Finally: Republicans for Bernie!
Thank you for sharing your experience with us. As a zoomer in grad school, I'm just hoping we can all start making sense of this mess together.
I'm 23, which makes me relatively ancient and pretty young depending on who is reading this. Just wanted to share my story.
Until I was roughly 16, I didn't have any political beliefs that weren't carbon copies of my mom's. She at the time was "christian republican", so I copied her. I understood myself to be "vaguely democrat" around then, though I didn't really have a strong reason as to why.
It was at about 18 when I traveled through the "alt-right pipeline". What resonated with me was anti-feminist content, and there was a LOT of it at the time. I didn't know it at the time, but I was clinging to this because I felt powerless and like I had no control over my life, and the strong personalities of that sphere filled my need for community and power. I really pushed away a lot of important people at that time.
There was a split in antifeminist, "skeptic" youtube, that formed following Donald Trump's win in 2016, some who supported him as a champion of their ideas, and some who felt that he was obviously bad. I fell in with the 'obviously bad' crowd, and all of the people that I kept watching basically stopped posting anti-feminist content post 2016/17ish. Since then, I've only grown more socialist. I view myself as a "socdem" currently, but only because I'm not sure how "demsoc" ideas would manifest in the real world, though I really don't like labels.
As of now, I feel like my political framework has solidified into "how can we most effectively help people out of poverty and suffering", and I've largely found the answer in socialist ideas.
we help people who suffer and are poor by making everyone suffer and have no money!!
@ My man, you don't even know what I believe. Stop being so impulsive and judgemental. Send me a dm on twitter if you wanna talk some time. Cheers.
I’m gonna make some presumptions about your beliefs due to lack of info.
Do you support public healthcare (I assume you said yes)? Here’s something you soc's don’t understand. Who do you think is better at administrating your money: the most corrupt institution in the United States of America, or you? I’d guess you said you. Do you really trust the government to put your money to good use? Do you think the most corrupt, greedy people in the US wouldn’t take a bite out of the public health care funds pie? What about the impoverished family, who opened a small clinic in order to pay for the bills? Would they be able to compete with a free service? That’s what I thought, no.
@@mikab631 Redistribution only causes poverty man. That’s what destroyed my country, Brazil. Mismanagement and corruption will always be present. That’s why I like the free market so much. He allows you to open the cake shop you’ve always dreamt about, he feeds the smart and punishes corruption. Hoppean minarchism is my choice.
@@osamabinladenmiliciano5.538 I'll explain why I support a single payer system, if I have to. The only way a health insurance company could make money is to not spend all of the money paid into it. This is an obvious consequence, they would fail otherwise. The only way they can do that is by not providing an adequate service for their customers; specific locations and doctors that they can visit, certain medications that are covered, only paying for treatment if the cost exceeds a certain amount.
The ideal single payer system replaces the private market with a full coverage public funded plan, that would not be run for profit. This would streamline the insurance market, remove the corrupting influence of CEO bonuses (a plague in the current market,) and provide adequate health coverage to everyone.
The private market can do great things for wealth creation. But for healthcare specifically, I don't believe theres a strong argument.
It doesn't even destroy that poor struggling family owned clinic you mentioned, plus they would have full health coverage.
Also don't forget that the young of today have dealt with a lot more socioeconomic turbulence than other recent generations.
Just because they're more exposed to it via the internet doesnt meant they've actually dealt with anything or even understand anything theyre being exposed to.
@@bophadesknutz7798 nah bro the 2008 crash and 2020 covid one which has caused a lot of young ones growing up in those times
I like how you're doing sincere analysis now. You really do have some good insight into our modern world and its ideological shift. I'm also starting to notice that your political ideology is ever changing but probably lies somewhere around the socialist right. Keep up the good work!
Socialist right? Please explain
@@Soitisisit Well maybe somewhere in between. It seems like he has strong opinions against porn and for guns, but some cultural leanings towards the new left. And I feel like he is very clearly socialist because of his decrying of neoliberal capitalism, how he treats socialism in the centricide series, and how he talks about socialism in sincere videos.
This video was so awesome. I'm really glad someone talked about this topic, specially this channel. Bro, I'm 15 and I went from Conservative to Monarchist to Libertarian and now I'm Ancap. Help.
It's fine as long as you don't become a Commie.
Be paleo then
Join Young Americans for Liberty! We'd love to have you!
Read Nietzsche, then read Dostoevsky. That will pretty much summarize the consistent world views that are possible and at least then you'll be able to make an informed decision.
@@costakeith9048 Thanks for the advice!
Was a full blown Marxist at the age of 13, at 21, I am much more of a left leaning centrist who's just in the lookout for actual solutions to our immediate problems.
Definitely dreamed an extreme communist utopia at 13. 😂
I feel you, I am basically the exact same way.
What say you about using the regional independence granted by feudalism in order to test every form of government possible in order to use darwinism to create the most effective government?
@@semi-useful5178
Any proper test would require a control but by definition there can be no control group for government as even anarchy is technically a form of government
@@semi-useful5178
“Darwinism” is based on a misinterpretation of what Darwin was actually saying, but I’ll allow it because that sounds like it could be interesting
When I was 13 the only kids who cared about politics were basically miniature Ben Shapiros(in b4 “Ben Shapiro is a miniature Ben Shapiro”). There was always that one kid who brought a briefcase to school, never wore jeans, and couldn’t laugh at anything. It’s fucking bizarre to me that kids these days have political ideas that extend further than “racism is bad.”
🦀THE CLOWN IS GONE🦀
I just turned 25, just now, so I'm now part of the "old part" of the audience.
Better go get my walking frame I guess
You’re basically a fossil in tik tok years.
@@northslate4850 Hello ! I'm 28, I remember when Pokémon Gold came out, it was a big event.
make sure its got solid framework
Dude get a pimp cane its way more fun.
Also this way people can more easily see your pain
I'm in my late 20s so I'm not sure if I'm ancient or not. I grew up in a suburban southern community, and when I was young I was "apolitical." In college I started identifying as a liberal, but by 2016 I abandoned that label and started saying I was anti-capitalist. As I've learned more about left ideologies through the internet over the past few years, I became involved with people in the prison abolition movement and started identifying as an anarchist or communist. (My political philosophy is closer to anarchism, but I say "communist" most of the time because it's a broader label, conceptually, and in my opinion contains anarchism.)
I think that establishment power structures in government, media, academics, and other large institutions have created the myth of the "non-ideological" stance for the sake of mass appeal, usually to satisfy someone's profit motive or to win political control. See social media companies pretending to be able to "neutrally" enforce content policies - as if picking rules for what is and isn't allowed can ever be "neutral." Undemocratic institutions like Twitter, Amazon, and the Supreme Court constantly project an air of neutrality, not because they are or can be neutral, but because that is how they justify their lack of accountability and transparency. We sacrifice our control for empty promises that rules will be followed, while they quietly change those rules to suit their private, unspoken ideology.
I don't think people simply are or are not ideological. I think that powerful institutions, like the ones who control the media you consume, the public spaces you use, and the terms of your livelihood, have worked very hard for many decades to obscure substantive political discussion and discredit those who engage in it - because if we're not talking about politics, we're not talking about whether they deserve the power that they have over everyone else. When you realize this, you must also realize that you have to understand and justify your own ideology, which leads to you consuming media about ideologies and talking about them a lot. So I don't think people are "becoming more ideological," *they're just re-investing in the idea of having an opinion* after years of being lied to that such things are for suckers.
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I agree that these media companies suck, they act like publishers while claiming to be (and get the benefits of being) platforms.
Hi, thank you for writing this. Another oldster here. I'm a radical anti-ideologue, but am also happy with the label anti-authoritarian. In practice, it means I'm as anti-communist as I am anti-fascist, but also highly suspicious of libertarianism, capitalism, social democracy, the Greens, and of course the two limp centrist parties. I've been opposed to every government I've lived under. (And I would not want anarchy.) I agree with you that media organizations, the Supreme Court, and corporations all operate within an ideology of some kind, spoken or unspoken. But there are people, not institutions, who remain unideological. To claim that someone who has zero awareness of politics is unconsciously "an ideologue" would be an abuse of the term, in my opinion. An ideologue is someone who is aware, in the abstract, of their political choices and the potential consequences of their choices. A person living in an entirely sensory environment, like a baby, has no ideology. People older than babies might just be completely outside the realm of political theory: They could vote based entirely on their own perceived interests, as many swing voters do. Or they could conceive of politics as a series of discrete transactions without any overarching motive: Imagine someone with good standing in his community who accepts bribes from a politician (any politician) to get out the vote for that politician. Unless he's motivated by some theory of politics that allows vote-buying, such a person is not an ideologue-just a political leech. (I'm against them too.)
@E Fig it's actually a really interesting topic to read up on!
It's similar to the defunding the police argument, where the funds would be used to prevent those crimes from happening in the first place or reforming those in prison to break cycles of crime.
There's a lot more details to it than I can give here, but looking it up and making your own opinion can never hurt :)