Gen 3 Torque Management In HP Tuners, Getting Max Power And Keeping Things In One Piece!
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I just wanna say thank you. I’m learning tuning on my personal time and this video may have saved my transmission. The truck was tuned in Texas before I bought it. I’d been having issues with my truck literally push through my brakes at lights. Found the torque management table you discussed completely zeroed out. Fixed that table and now I have good drivability back. Huge fan, keep doing what your doing.
Thanks for making this and all the other tuning info videos, I've started tuning my own swap project with HPTuners because of your videos and this one in particular led me to finding out that my previous tuner zeroed-out the transmission torque reduction tables, so thanks for essentially catching that for me and possibly saving my stock 4l60e from a sooner death :)
I just recently purchased mpvi2 suite pro link and my torque management tables don’t have as many options as you, it is in advanced mode
Does this even do anything for a manual transmission?
i have gen 4 ls3 in 2010 Camaro car was Manuel and i installed th400 and i have been fighting torque management and my RPM vs Gear is RPM based after watching this i noticed rpm is set below shift point is this my problem do all RPM need to be above shift
Setup the same for torque management and still getting dips from torque management advance. Is there other things to log that might point in the direction?
I have a t56 that I'm swapping in place of a 60e. Would I zero out all of the transmission torque management values in my tune?
youd just change trans type to manual
Great subject, I was looking at my tune that someone else did (base tune) and they zeroed a lot of the things you said not to. So I don't know what they were previously. Yes my tranny is stock 4L60 with lots of miles. Hopefully I can find a old tune.
Use the repository in the HP tuners site to find a stock tune for your platform then load it as the compare file so you can update the values.
I am doing a built 6.0L swap in my tahoe. execting 150% power of old 5.3L motor. I will be running stock 4L60E for a few months, but I don't want to destroy the transmission. Is there a way to dial back the engine torque when it shifts etc? (I am doing a built 4L60E as well just my piggy bank can only handle so much at once and I accidentally blew the 5.3 so motor is being built before the trans :( ) Assuming I can increase timing pull in that torque management table?
Bingo, you are on the right path
You'll blow it up eventually no matter what, then the rear will go. Save up!
When you say you do not want full power during shifts ,would that apply to non electronic transmissions that the computer is not connected to in any way. Like a th350 for example.
Not going to apply on those situations.
Ok thank you.
Wonder if this can be why I cant keep 60e from breaking. Now having problems with my 80e.
ive had all torqe management removed chirping tires on the 1-2 shift thru an 80e for almost 6years with a circle d converter in a crew cab sierra. and this 80e came from the junkyard with 160k on it, slapped a transgo hd2 in it and it still kicking. that 80e first gear is way too long
I have torque management on a built 60 and chirp 2nd above 40% throttle so and at wot I spin through first and into second until 55 or so with an LSD. Handles it great. What RPM are you running it to and what gears do you have?
I believe my tuner took all torque management out for both. I was running 4.10s with 3200 stall broke the trans and rear-end now I have a 3.05 it's a dog. I have a set of 3.73 that need to go in. Agreed on that first gear
any tips on what to mess with inhp tunners to make small gains to a 04 gto 5.7 ls1 t56manual 6spd na with 1/7/8th longtube headers just tryin to learn by making small changes ...any tips u could offer i wish i could change when my fan comes on it at 230 degrees .....like thats hot for the fans to be coming on lol
Random ve question. I'm a newbie and thought i was pretty close to done with SD tuning and ve tables. Now I'm spun around after watching more videos on spark and I'm questioning if I tuned ve probably.
I tuned ve with maf disabled and used afr to dial in ve table. But I wasn't making adjustments to match command afr I was making adjustments to put the afr where I thought it should be such as leaner at idle and cruise and richer 12.5-13.5 under load and wot. Then a light bulb went off and I'm now wondering if I should be matching command afr with actual with my ve adjustments and then adjusting pe tables for additional fueling during heavy load scenarios. Am I right or wrong with this?
I think you're right in your new thinking set your command at EQ right beside your actual eq, and in an ideal world they should always match. And by ideal world I mean that your tune is perfect
Matt Sanford add some pretty good tuning videos.
@@GreatLakesLogger I was overthinking it chasing my tail trying to figure out why it won’t break the tires loose. It’s a 5.3 with a sloppy stage 2 cam and 2600 stall converter. Makes awesome power but won’t break tires. Even in dirt it barely starts to. It’s an 2002 avalanche with P01 pcm. No trac control switch to disable it on dash. I switched engine function code from 1 to 0 for trac control and went through recommended “safe” to management tuning and tc tuning. It should light em up but doesn’t. I’m stumped. But that led me to question if I was tuning ve correctly. For the most part my tables are +/- 1% except where I’m at cruise at lower speeds in town. I have it leaner around 15.2 and idle is 16.5ish. Hwy speeds 70-90 mph I aired to the rich side around 14.2-14.5 with pe active at 70% throttle jumping it up to 12-12.5. It runs amazing and I’m extremely happy with the mpg. Just that traction control “on” channel seems to be my issue and no one cover or mentions it anywhere I’ve looked.
@@JasonFairchild-i7d did you check out Matt's video on doing a burnout tune? Looks like you got some things covered, but maybe there's something to see in abuse, idk. Transmission, rear end, and tire size all makes a difference too. 4l60 has a shorter first gear, so is a lot easier to light em up. 4l80 is a significantly taller gear, and requires a lot higher stall speed to gain that mechanical advantage in first gear
@ yea I followed his burnout tune video. I have a 4l60. I try not to beat on it because I’d rather not break it. But I should still be able to spin tires on a wet road or over some sand. This truck is like 6000 lbs though. I have 3.73s and a 32inch all season tire. It should have too much issue. I’m missing something somewhere.
So. Timing and torque management is holding back horsepower. Since I added a cam that makes more torque the system is still trying to keep at stock cam. Ok ok. Then how do I find the right amount of torque for my cam swap to add to the system. ?? Maybe not a clear question on this but ya I’m dumb gotta hold my hand.
Please help, Man I'm trying to take all this in and I'm getting an information overload. Should i work on optimizing idle first or ve table? I raised idle 225 across the board and it quit cutting off at red lights. 02 1500 Silverado 4l80 swapped, Comp thumper cam and cheap bolt ons. Throttle body spacer, short headers, 9"lift 37s, 513 gear, cold air (that's not very cold) I'm getting lost in the information and don't know where to start.
Can I tune my C5 4L60E transmission the same way or or would you recommend a different type of tune for it?
on the transmission tab under torque management the table for desired torque does that get maxed out as well or left alone?
Sooo my falcon just won’t skid, if I remove all the limiters it should wanna skid hey
Can I use torque management as a traction control? I’m trying to pull timing by gear and can’t get it to work, I do not have traction control.
It can be done. But it will never be as good as GT car TCS. You need a combination of engine power management as well as brake pressure management for good traction control that will add ver6 meaningful lap time.
That one group in torque management where you put those values to 10,000...I saw another tuner on here say not to touch those. Something about putting the engine in limp mode?
our max available torque says 6,042 under torque vs rpm, so we were going to take it up to 6000, when doing that the color changed from green to red does that mean their is a problem? We also dont have the same table that you have, ours are by gear.
Did you ever figure this out ?
@@willjohnson6140 no i will just end up getting it tuned by the pros
Each gear needs to be 6,042
Hi bro , I got chevy cruze 1.8 , when the shift in N or P the rpm not go beyond 3000 RPM how can I remove this limiter ?
In engine page I have only spark map which is RPM VS mg/stroke there is no torque management in engine page .. but I have torque management in my transmission , is stall Torque mgt RPM related to this ?
Thanks you so much in advance
If I am wanting to disable traction control with a manual transmission I still wouldn't want to zero out the torque management?
Super video! Really like the shorter more on point format. On a Gen 3 LS Swap into a 70s truck is there even a need to disable Traction Control, or since there are no sensors present in the wheels or what ever the thing won't ever kick it or confuse the PCM, forgive me for asking but I am a Neanderthal when it comes to modern day trucks and their fancy features
So I had my truck tuned. He pulled all tq management out but for some reason it is feels like it it still pulling timing on hard acceleration. What would cause that? Gen 3 5.3. But my buddy has a gen 3 4.8 5sp truck completely stock that will roast tires.
Need to log timing and see if that's what is actually happening and then try and find the source that is limiting it.
Have you done a video on gen 4 like this.it would be awesome. Keep up the good work
Man iv looked through most all your videos and actually tuned my car and learned a lot about tuning from your videos ,but do you have one that shows idle setup? I couldn’t find one ,but with all the other info I thought you would have one.iv got a gen3 (01 ss) with a 228r camshaft with 110lsa and it is a mother to get the idle right.but I know I’m not using all the stuff I could be using to get it to idle at it’s best..
I'll try and put one out soon!
Thank you sir I’ve tried a few different ways people make them idle good iv herd the russk method is a good way to go but haven’t tried it yet I would love to see you make a video,again thank you love your content and how informative your videos are.
Any insight on tuning a truck with a manual valve body th400? Anything to do about having no VSS?
What kind of issues are you having, Cody?
Goat Rope Garage nothing as of right this moment but I’m starting my tuning journey as soon as my fuel pump relays show up in the mail. I have a mvb th400 and I’ve heard the trans settings in hp tuners needs to be set to a manual trans? And something with the tune needs to be changed since I no longer have a VSS? I’ve been watching your videos and learning what I can about my gen3 2004 Silverado. First turbo vehicle, first time tuning.
Thank you so much for this video
Under, trans, torque reduction, normal, mine was zeroed from factory...the performance tab had values in it. Weird huh?
Not always, there are so many tables on these ECMs that are used on specific platforms but not others so empty tables are common
Have a 2000 Silverado with P01. The tune is struggling at idle only when my foot is on the brake. Is there a way to disable at idle?
I have not had this problem, but you may take a look at this...
th-cam.com/video/nXv4zrv6ZuU/w-d-xo.html
I did a lq4 swap into 02 avalanche with a 4l60, im curious if you would be intersested in looking at my base tune, and give me your opinion. good , bad , needed changes or things to consider?
6.0 with a 60e you should probably add some torque management at least on the trans side
ETC LIMITS - ETC TPS MAX.
This entire table you max out @100.
(This is the speed at which the throttle blade is opening to its commanded).
It's the "cable replacement"
Is it not already maxed?
@GoatRopeGarage late but only 100% throttle it is maxed, 97.5% is 65 max
Does this apply to a G8 GT with a 6L80e?
So to completely disable traction control and stability control what would I do? Would the TC Spark Retard vs RPM be set to 0 across the board?
Would basically the same apply on 4x4
Awesome stuff dude
You do not recommend disabling the Transmission Abuse Mode?
Nope, not unless you're built
I have a 411 in my 02 sierra. How do I get it to do a burnouts? 😂 it won't go over 1500-1800 rpm and I've been told its becaise of torque management.
Crank up the torque seeing under the TCS portion, see if that helps
@@GoatRopeGarage thank you. I'll try it once I get hp tuners. I also want to thank you for the videos. You've explained it in such a way that I actually feel comfortable enough to buy the tuner and try my hand at it. Thank you for these videos and keep them up. Are you on sloppy FB page by chance?
Nah, I don't do FB
I’m in the same boat. 02LQ9 I can’t do a damn burn out.? Did you ever fix your problem?
Good stuff 👌
Well have you tried the torque Management on your car
Great video, thanks
Waiting on your ecoboost tunes!
I got a 4l80 built and now the engine won't accelerate at all with Factory tune until you get going about 10 miles an hour
Had a 4L80 already?
Yes it's an 02 Chevy 3500 cab and Chassis. It idles and revs up fine in neutral or park but when you drop it in gear it feels like it's being derated
@@jonathancunningham2686 Did you figure this out? I'd look at the converter real hard.
@@Chubbza5 it was the converter
@@jonathancunningham2686 mines kind of shitting up the same way you described. Any insight as to mfg or what the issue was?
I try this on Gen 4 and get no throttle pedal truck goes into REP mode. Someone please make a how to on the bastard child Gen 4 E67 torque management.
my corvette just roasts the tires even with traction control on haha
I see no problems here...
what about if you have a t56
Dial back your engine TM as much as you want
So it’s irrelevant on a 6 speed basically? Any benefit to changing anything at all in the section?
@@jimmiemiller4327 Yeah, most of it's already disabled on the manuals.
so is it a good idea to zero out retard vs % torque production on a t56?
I've been wondering this myself
It's really lucky they go all the way upto 41,000,000 ft lbs of torque. My new 6.2L is making 39,999,999 ft lbs so Luckily I have a little room to spare if I run Premium.. lol Where The hell did they come up with that number? lol
It's simply the limit of the (presumably unsigned) integer data type they are using.
WHAT IS IT? pretty sure it doesn't have a dyno to measure torque or does it rely on a g sensor? almost seems like he barley understands 7:30 ok this is just just seems like some kind of glitch in the matrix, so it puts it in a more safe tune? this is some kind of fail safe,
It probably does a calculation using airflow, fueling, and ignition advance to accurately monitor engine torque output.
Since this is such a madddddd channel and your such a awesome teacher, think you can send mpvi2 to me in aus? I’ll pay for it and postage but to buy in aus it’s 700+ dollars.... not happy jan!
Reece Bitunjac can’t you order from the US and have it shipped there?
SS OFFSHORE I tried that last night, went to order it and it said can not ship to your location even though I asked the seller and he said yes and says on amazon that it does. Get to check out and it doesn’t.
SS OFFSHORE I can order it from different sites but still 700 plus dollars..
Reece, search for HP Tuners dealer Australia, there should be a couple of local options that will allow you to get it at a better price.
Goat Rope Garage once you buy the interface, which is min $500 here plus credits x2 $150 here it’s nearly $700 tried all my options... so lucky over there for $370 you get the tuner plus 2 credits.
Gen 4 gen 4 :D
It coming soon!
Go pokes
gen 4????
This doesn't look like a garage