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I always thought "Jason Goes to Hell" was literally about Jason killing his way through demons and the damned in a burning hellscape. I've never been so disappointed.
how come we dont have a super smash brothers-esque fighting game with our fav horror characters yet 1. Michael Myers 2. Jason vorhees 3. Chucky 4. Ghostface 5. Leather face 6. Freddy Kruger 7. Hellraiser 8. The Creeper 9. Xenomorph 10. The Predator 11. Candyman 12. The Leprechaun 13. Pennywise 14. Hookman
That "Get the hell away from her, Ed!" Implies that Jason can talk, but he just chooses not to. It also implies that Jason is actually still smart as a human being, and he's not just a big brain-dead zombie like he may seem.
He was a normal boy once so there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to talk. Since his mother probably homeschooled him it's safe to assume he can also read and has the most basic understanding of math. He knows his ABCs and 123s he's just never been in a situation as an adult where he's had to communicate because you don't need to talk just to kill people.
17:23 I feel so happy hearing the name Robert Kurtzman. I met his daughter a few years ago and she was telling me all about her dad and how she got to meet many celebrities over her childhood (she dropped some awesome A list names) and then she mentioned Robert Englund and I mentioned I was a huge fan. Long story short, she met up with him over the next few weeks and came back to me with an autograph from Robert Englund and I’m forever in her debt ♥️
These recounts have made every Friday morning so much better. I'm going to be sad when it's over, but hopefully they revisit some other classic slashers.
i think he wanted to get to hannibal (all movies) and hellraiser asap i dont think he has the time to do another recount esp with the size of the halloween franchise but trust me in 2 or 3 yrs he will definetly do it who knows maybe even next year but i doubt it
I really wish we got to see ACTUAL Kane Hodder get possessed, would have been so cool to just see Kane Hodder killing people, such a missed opportunity
Some producer, twice in a row: "We need to turn this franchise into a viable property again. Let's hire some dude who basically wandered in off the street to direct."
I mean, this time they didn't even have the damn name of the franchise at their disposal. When you can't even call it a Friday the 13th film, there's no reason to not just say "fuck it, anything goes."
@@drpibisback7680 It's funny that this guy made Jason a deadite, doesn't have the rights to the name to the original name, "Friday the 13th" yet he claims his film is canon... Lmao, yeah maybe for the other "Jason" movies it's canon, but I don't see how it would be canon to the Friday the 13th movies. Just funny because he had the nerve to be like, "YES it's canon, DEAL WITH IT‼️😏"
That's how I felt watching it the first time. Haven't been able to get through it again since. It's one giant "WTF?!" in regards to the whole F13th series IMO.
alucard624 Yeah The fact he says the others are too complicated is ridiculous too. They’re some of the most straight forward slasher films I’ve ever seen. This film is annoying complicated, annoyance from Jason’s Death to the end. I’m still confused on many decisions made for this film and I don’t know if I should be more annoyed with Adam or Sean, Sean has shown his jerk side in recent years so probably him more but Adam may be a good guy but he’s way too full of himself too! “My films different so it’s good” so was Jason X and everyone hates that film. I love it however, Jason in space! It gave what it promised and it’s a super fun time
@@q.h.s5051 I think Marcus was mocking the complaints that the story was nonsensical rather than being overcomplicated - essentially "Why is Jason being a deadite who possesses people beyond the pale, but it's fine for him to be a deformed mutant who became a zombie after being struck by lightning, then fought a psychic and was defeated by the New York City sewer system?" The film _is_ hard to follow, but a lot of that is down to inexperience rather than being too clever. An experienced writer/director could have salvaged the film from being overlong and subsequently being hacked up in the editing bay, but Adam Marcus probably just hadn't developed the skills to fix the holes left behind when it had to be trimmed. The real problem lies with New Line not recognizing that the movie was turning into a tangled mess and needed serious reworking to be coherent - at very least, they should have asked for a second draft of the script that ended in a 2 hour original cut.
@@user-jn1wm3tb8v With how many cut scenes it might as well be. But horrible joke aside I was thinking of from dusk till dawn so that's on me and I apologize
The third one made more sense and that movie was made mostly for the 3D effects. This film could have been great if it was more coherent The idea around the knife could have been good if they explained it properly in the film. Jason should have been utilised more because his appearance was cool. Also why would the heart cause a person to eat it? There was no explanation for it. It would have made more sense for Jason to just process him like a ghost. Also why would Jason shave some guy's back and then kill him? Such a weird and creepy scene which made no sense considering Jason is not into that kind of stuff. He is basically childlike because he never had a childhood. I like all the films including Part 5 but this film rubbed me the wrong way. Burns had a blue mask which indicated a different person. Roy and Jarvis were basically a legacy of Jason as one survived him and one became him to sought vengeance. This film basically featured some spitir taking people over and nothing to do with the real Jason who got gunned down by the FBI, which was the best scene. You could even argue that the spirit was not Jason as the director tied this into Evil Dead as he had the Necronomicon on a table in one of the scenes.
I love how you went from absolutely hating the leprechaun to kinda loving him over the course of the kill counts you did on the movies and now add him into other counts.😄
13:37 okay, I have a theory for this. People possessed by Jason is likely unable to feel pain(like Jason was, seeing how HE only grunts when shot at by a whole circus), and it's possible that Jason, being intelligent enough while possessed, can probably fake some minor pain such as being slashed, but can't replicate the genuine reaction to some more major agony like breaking fingers, making it a good way of telling someone is possessed by Jason or not
It's a shame that he directed this so young, he seems like a fun smart guy and if he was able to direct a Friday film 5 years later I'm sure it would've been incredible, inclusive, stylised, and most importantly, coherent
The saddest part is that this film could have one of the best. The FBI scene should have been in the middle of the film then he could try and possess people which then results him actually going to hell at the end. We could then see him trying to escape. That could lead to the sequel of him gaining new abilities and actually getting the pitchfolk like Savini Jason from the game. The 90s sadly only had one film.
The "coherent" part... definitely the biggest issue with this movie! I always *think* I like this movie, because there are so many individual scenes in it that I like... but then when I sit down and try to watch it, it's just a mess.
@@Cletus-Hellfire The FBI trying to kill Jason should have been its own film, really. My personal idea (partially drawn from some things I heard were either cut ideas or from spinoffs) would be the government trying to kill Jason and having to bring in his many foes to put him down - imagine Tommy Jarvis, Tina lastnameIcan'trememberfrompart7, and Creighton Duke becoming an elite anti-Jason task force, perhaps bringing in the lore from this movie so we could get Jessica and the magic Voorhees dagger too. It wouldn't have been possible since they couldn't get the rights to Tommy (couldn't even get the rights to the damn name of the series!), but it would have been a way cooler movie if it could have happened. Edit: Shepard! Tina Shepard was her name!
Duke’s “death” would have only caused him to be a paraplegic at about the T6 level resulting in poor, or no trunk control and leg function. He for sure would have pooped or peed himself. He could have passed out from the trauma alone; a vasovagal response triggered by pain and stress.
If there's 1 thing that I can appreciate about movies & t.v. is that they never get that detail (people peeing & pooping themselves at some truly terrible times-especially after death) right. 'cause it would suck to see.
"I'll count Jason Voorhees as dead for a second time in this film, as the hands pull him underground. It's only forever, not long at all. Jessica and Steven kiss, their heads turn into the sun, and no one can blame them for walking away." Labyrinth references in a kill count. Nice.
As weird as making Jason a deadite was, the lore did play a huge part in Freddy vs Jason vs Ash which is a really damn fun comic, so I don't mind the strange retcon
Jason as a deadite actually works pretty well. Ruthless bulldozer like killing machine that favors over-the-top murders with improvised weapons. Plus only massive bodily damage can put him down even then its only temporary. You have to replace spells from the Necronomican with pre-marital sex in the woods though. However, that could be cribbed with Pamela incorporating that into Jason's deadite-fication on purpose. It actually turns the first 7ish films into something like a coherent timeline. "New Beginning" was Jason incompletely manifesting in the paramedic killer. It also explains if clumsily why Tommy Jarvis had a premonition of how he and a meatbag friend inadvertently restored Jason's original deadite form.
I honestly like a lot of the pieces of lore this movie added: the fact that Jason is inherently a supernatural being, the fact that Pamela Vorheez had other children, the solidification as Elias existing in this canon, Duke, and even that Jason can talk, simply choosing not to most of the time.
Honestly, the way I make sense of the usually mute Jason with this movie is that he knows how to talk, but after he became zombie Jason, his body physically couldn't talk anymore.
honestly i love marcus’s ambitions with this movie, even if the movie as a whole is a mess. the ideas he makes work are great and even if his more out there ideas were too convoluted, it’s so charming and relatable to have those kind of “headcanon” ideas as if he was just a fan like the rest of us
I think this director honestly had some good ideas and he’s really funny! It’s like this movie could have actually been unique AND good if the script didn’t get sent to hell like jason did.
@@jesusramirezromo2037 I’m inclined to believe the inclusion of Dean Lorey was what kept the movie from being unwatchable. He’s certainly had more prominent writing credits to suggest as much.
Fun Fact: A Deleted Scene Character Called David who was Vicki’s Boyfriend that didn’t make the final Film was played by Jonathan Penner who Competed in 3 seasons of Survivor (Cook Islands, Micronesia, and Philippines) I thought that was cool
I’ve been loving these recounts, but the Labyrinth references towards the end of this one are making this become my favorite. Keep it up man, can’t wait to see more!
Friday the 13th vengeance has a similar interpretation, but concentrates more on Jasons Dad (and it has a bunch of great kills lol ) It tries to repllicate the original part 7 script I think
@@KumaoftheForest The comic only exists because of the inability to create a three way crossover after the abysmal overhead returns from the Freddy vs. Jason movie
19:12 "So, just puttin' it out there that you can cast me in your movie! I won't mind." and then james and chelsea were in the new Scream movie in a cameo
Love seeing these re-counts. Was here since the first Friday count and just seeing how much you and the channel have evolved and grown makes me so happy, I remember when you shared that you were leaving your job to do this full time the happiness that filled my body was something else. So excited to see where this keeps going and can’t wait to be part of the journey
I love Chelsea doing Kill Count trailers at the end. It's always great seeing y'all together, and a welcome surprise when she pops up as characters in Kill Counts. This is just like a little taste of those moments, and I'm LIVING for it!
This had so much potential that got squandered away! The end when Freddy's Hand comes up from the dirt from hell was beyond epic Unfortunately nothing came after that until a decade or so later
Its werid becaues Jason X released after this but if you look into it it makes more sence that Freddy Vs Jason came first in the timeline then Jason X they should have made Freddy Vs Jason first
@@Chicanochars ah well i do like some parts of the Movie and love both Jasons designs we got the movie was not that great and it was hard as to where it would be in the timeline not an outright bad movie by any means but as you said that is why the movie was made
You’d be surprised at the delicious food combinations used for some of the nastiest effects. I believe James even mentioned in the Zombieland kill counts that the vomit and mouth blood in those flicks were made with banana pudding/granola and chocolate syrup/coffee. In the Sixth Sense, Mischa Barton’s ghost “vomited” a sweet oatmeal that she said tasted pretty good.
I really love how much behind-the-scenes footage and interview material they made for this series. It probably makes James' life a lot easier and increases the amount of content in these videos.
Hey James, just wanted to say I am LOVING these recounts. So nice to see the movies that started this series getting the new Dead Meat treatment. Many props to you and the whole Dead Meat team!
I'm probably wrong about this, but I'd heard that the plan was to make Jason either a Deadite or at least Deadite adjacent. Because Freddy vs Jason was supposed to be Freddy vs Jason vs Evil Dead and it was supposed to be a three way fight between Jason, Freddy, and Ash. Or maybe that was what they were planning to do with the sequel that never happened.
I liked the opening to JTGH since the first time I watched it. It brought a spark of realism to the lore that really intrigued me on how they were gonna up the anty. The possession and body swapping made sense to me. I would like to see more horror monsters confronted with real life scenarios.
Connecting the timeline here isn't too hard if we make a few assumptions about how things played out. If we roll with the idea that Pamela Voorhees is Diana's mother, we can assume she was born shortly before the first movie happened. That movie ends, Alice says "he's still out there," and the cops search the woods and find a crying baby left behind in the Voorhees house. She's adopted off and years go by. Some people might say that makes her too young to be a grandmother in this, but consider: Every Friday moving starting with New Blood is set in the future. That movie starts in the present when Tina was a little girl, then jumps ahead several years to start the plot. That would mean Diana would be in her mid to late 30s in this movie, which isn't that much different from her actress' age at the time of filming. Then we have Jason inexplicably not being a shitty wet child, but that isn't too hard to figure out, either. The radioactive shit water might have made him a child again for a little while, but he probably just grew back to adulthood quickly because it's radioactive shit water. It even explains why his skin grew over his mask now, since he's radioactive and that's not good. At the end of this movie, he does, indeed, go to Hell, at least until Freddy wakes him back up in their movie (Deadite magic probably made him a new body). Since Jason beats Freddy and keeps on living, that means he can still be alive for David Cronenberg and the gang to kidnap him in Jason X, at which point he's frozen and sent to the future.
It occurs to me that it’s perfectly viable, and possibly a really cool idea to create a mcu-like universe for horror villains. I’m not talking combined movies like the Freddy v Jason thing, but having little things like the necronomicon being the basis for some of the weird shit that happens, or a cabin in the woods organisation explaining how stuff moves around and stuff isn’t investigated. Just a reference here, a book there, and a man in black to set things in motion would be all it would need.
My favorite part of this movie (aside from the tent kill that I saw when I watched it for the very first time renting it on VHS) was the fact that during the opening chase scene, you can clearly see that the actress is wearing combat boots as she runs through the woods at one point.
I'm just going to go on record to say that the sponsor commercials are some of my favorite parts of Deadmeat. The look at the camera winks or smiles are so comforting. The characters in Final Friday are the only good thing about this movie.
"A new one, and an old one." This intro is class. 'Jason goes to Hell' was my entry point (what 13 year old could resist those VHS previews!) and is still my favourite of the lot.
"In my professional opinion,this guy's deader than shit. Um,strike that last comment from the record." That line really hit me,I'm flattered. I like it though and it's the best.
I laugh every time I see the coroner eating the heart. Because right before he goes to pick it up, he makes a face that says, "fuck it, I'm hungry" lol. It cracks me up every time I see it.
This movie is literally so much fun. Body Snatchers, Halloween, Evil Dead, Nightmare, Hellraiser, Alien. This movie has so much fun kills and nods to horror, I cant help but love it.
I do love how much Adam Marcus' love for horror movies shines in this film. The references to horror legends (characters named after John Landis, Robert Englund, Lewis Abernathy, and Bruce Campbell); "Cunningham County" badges on the cops paying homage to Sean; effects reminiscent of Cronenberg and David Lynch films; Easter Eggs of the Necronomicon and Evil Dead dagger, crate from Creepshow, and the actual jungle gym from the set of The Birds; Creighton Duke's line ("For that, you get the mask, the machete, the whole damn thing") that paraphrases Quint's line from Jaws. Probably even more I haven't picked up on.
@@amqru Yes, it is. Actually, it’s pretty much awful. It’s also probably my favorite in the series. Not saying others in the series aren’t much better, but I like the fun and camp.
I mean, the other films do make sence... All you have to accept is zombies and telekiesis, there where no souls, demons, magic daggers, hell babbies, body switching, etc
@@balabanasireti The timeline is simple tho, with it only geting complex from newline's movies And Jason surviving is waaaay more realistic and simple than the shit Marcus came up with; with Pamela reviving him from the dead with the Necronomicom, yet never seeing him
@@jesusramirezromo2037 Didn't Part 3 happen 2-3 days after Part 3 and yet that one guy wanted to avenge his sister as if it happened months or a year ago? Also, I don't think that a little boy surviving his whole life in the woods is that realistic.
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I love how sad James sounds when Marcus says “it’s canon, deal with it.”
I get why James is sad but it’s both funny and cool
Oh.. okee
I'm sad too, power hungry nerds like to George Lucas stuff when they get the chance.
I was all Jim Carry like, "I was not expecting that"
16:17 is where it’s at btw
I always thought "Jason Goes to Hell" was literally about Jason killing his way through demons and the damned in a burning hellscape. I've never been so disappointed.
Same. I thought it was gonna be Jason as doom guy.
@@imkaneforever Duuude that’d have been so much better.
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That would be fucking awesome Jesus chirst
The film we really need
18:24 is my favorite part of this entire movie.
"I got a gun."
"Fuck that, I got a a gun."
*Intense Comedic Stare down*
say that again
dipshit randy is my favorite
This whole movie is a comedic masterpiece
Imagine how hyped the horror fans were back then, when they saw Freddy's hand drag Jason's mask to hell
Yeah, it would be a real shame if they had to wait a decade between this scene and the FvJ movie.
Never stop commenting
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And imagine their annoyed sigh when a crossover finally happened...in 2009
Yeah.
"You can use Jason, but not Tommy Jarvis." - The weirdest priorities.
And not the name either
Yeah.
how come we dont have a super smash brothers-esque fighting game with our fav horror characters yet
1. Michael Myers
2. Jason vorhees
3. Chucky
4. Ghostface
5. Leather face
6. Freddy Kruger
7. Hellraiser
8. The Creeper
9. Xenomorph
10. The Predator
11. Candyman
12. The Leprechaun
13. Pennywise
14. Hookman
@@selfstorage3112 I legit just canceled my reservation for a public storage place less than fifteen minutes ago. This is comical to me.
@@jabarishabazz5928 horrordrome.
That "Get the hell away from her, Ed!" Implies that Jason can talk, but he just chooses not to. It also implies that Jason is actually still smart as a human being, and he's not just a big brain-dead zombie like he may seem.
He was a normal boy once so there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to talk. Since his mother probably homeschooled him it's safe to assume he can also read and has the most basic understanding of math. He knows his ABCs and 123s he's just never been in a situation as an adult where he's had to communicate because you don't need to talk just to kill people.
maybe in the later movies he is unable to talk? after he gets revived in the grave n shit. His body is falling apart.
@@trickq5883 He was OBVIOUSLY a mentally handicapped boy.
so michael from halloween returns 2018?
Better put that in the baby book
"I got a gun" is honestly the best bit of the movie for me.
Drop the gun
My dog died
@@Warrior_101 LETS GOOO!!!
Meme time
“Fuck that I got a gun”
"WEEEE AREN'T MAKING SENSE ! HAVE YOU SEEN THE OTHER MOVIES!"
This guy sounds like fun
Listen to the commentary on the DVD. HE IS!!!
Exactly!
Yeah.
@@garinsparks7041 This. I watch this movie with commentary every time because he is very entertaining and obviously had a blast making this.
@@givingtechnology8161 you gotta love that
17:23
I feel so happy hearing the name Robert Kurtzman.
I met his daughter a few years ago and she was telling me all about her dad and how she got to meet many celebrities over her childhood (she dropped some awesome A list names) and then she mentioned Robert Englund and I mentioned I was a huge fan. Long story short, she met up with him over the next few weeks and came back to me with an autograph from Robert Englund and I’m forever in her debt ♥️
"nobody's gonna touch that fuckin' ray of sunshine" is the best line of the whole franchise
Where’d you find that pfp
"sticking a hot dog through a donut hole" tops it!
@@MrOldboy360 It’s up there
"tent of penetration" is at the same time hilarious and just plain disturbing.
Well played, James.
Lol
19:16 “you can cast me in your movie, I won’t mind”
6 months later is in Scream 6
Follow your dreams folks
Scream 5, actually
"World's most secure towel."
Nah fam, nobody can beat Sam's magic towel from Until Dawn.
But you gotta think a movie is live action and the game the developers just make it that way ha but I get where your going with it lol
if i was being pursued in a huge cabin in the woods that towel would be falling off left and right
@@suga3565 For me, it would fall off left...and then that's it. My pride is not more important than the fact that a killer is chasing after me.
Sam's towel is immortal lol, been a long time i played Until Dawn
I think he actually mentioned that in the original kill count of this movie, which is pretty hilarious.
These recounts have made every Friday morning so much better. I'm going to be sad when it's over, but hopefully they revisit some other classic slashers.
They can definitely do the Scream movies again. There was SO much info that wasn't included in the original Kill Counts.
I wish that he would redo the Halloween or Alien counts but he said he won’t do Halloween again
i think he wanted to get to hannibal (all movies) and hellraiser asap i dont think he has the time to do another recount esp with the size of the halloween franchise but trust me in 2 or 3 yrs he will definetly do it who knows maybe even next year but i doubt it
with the chucky series on syfy we might get a childs play recount
He said on a live he would do a recount for the scream kill counts when it gets closer to the 5th one to come out next year.
I really wish we got to see ACTUAL Kane Hodder get possessed, would have been so cool to just see Kane Hodder killing people, such a missed opportunity
And putting on a hockey mask.
@@AnomalyINC not even that, i just wanna see jason without makeup killing people man
Some producer, twice in a row: "We need to turn this franchise into a viable property again. Let's hire some dude who basically wandered in off the street to direct."
And now watching further I almost feel bad because he seems like the coolest guy ever, just super inexperienced.
I mean, this time they didn't even have the damn name of the franchise at their disposal. When you can't even call it a Friday the 13th film, there's no reason to not just say "fuck it, anything goes."
@@drpibisback7680 It's funny that this guy made Jason a deadite, doesn't have the rights to the name to the original name, "Friday the 13th" yet he claims his film is canon... Lmao, yeah maybe for the other "Jason" movies it's canon, but I don't see how it would be canon to the Friday the 13th movies. Just funny because he had the nerve to be like, "YES it's canon, DEAL WITH IT‼️😏"
A plan Disney uses nowadays
adam marcus was on set of the original.
Honestly, this feels more like a parody than it’s own canon movie
That's how I felt watching it the first time. Haven't been able to get through it again since. It's one giant "WTF?!" in regards to the whole F13th series IMO.
alucard624 Yeah
The fact he says the others are too complicated is ridiculous too. They’re some of the most straight forward slasher films I’ve ever seen. This film is annoying complicated, annoyance from Jason’s Death to the end.
I’m still confused on many decisions made for this film and I don’t know if I should be more annoyed with Adam or Sean, Sean has shown his jerk side in recent years so probably him more but Adam may be a good guy but he’s way too full of himself too! “My films different so it’s good” so was Jason X and everyone hates that film. I love it however, Jason in space! It gave what it promised and it’s a super fun time
@@q.h.s5051 I think Marcus was mocking the complaints that the story was nonsensical rather than being overcomplicated - essentially "Why is Jason being a deadite who possesses people beyond the pale, but it's fine for him to be a deformed mutant who became a zombie after being struck by lightning, then fought a psychic and was defeated by the New York City sewer system?"
The film _is_ hard to follow, but a lot of that is down to inexperience rather than being too clever. An experienced writer/director could have salvaged the film from being overlong and subsequently being hacked up in the editing bay, but Adam Marcus probably just hadn't developed the skills to fix the holes left behind when it had to be trimmed. The real problem lies with New Line not recognizing that the movie was turning into a tangled mess and needed serious reworking to be coherent - at very least, they should have asked for a second draft of the script that ended in a 2 hour original cut.
Most of these movies have that feel to it
@@alucard624 really, that’s what you think?? I’m hurt 😒
Anyways I had tons of good movies
F13, F13P2, F13P3, and IV
I sure hope James uses “junkies shooting up drugs in an alley” as a measurement of time, which is 20 seconds btw
"The world's most secure bath towel."
I dunno James, Sam's towel in Until Dawn would give that towel a run for its money.
IM SO GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO REMEMBERS THAT,,,
same with Greta's towel in The Boy
I do like that movie
@@Tahu33446 that...isn't a film.
@@user-jn1wm3tb8v With how many cut scenes it might as well be. But horrible joke aside I was thinking of from dusk till dawn so that's on me and I apologize
The reaction of the director going “we didn’t make any sense” was the best reaction I’ve heard of a director defending his movie
Definitely
The third one made more sense and that movie was made mostly for the 3D effects. This film could have been great if it was more coherent The idea around the knife could have been good if they explained it properly in the film. Jason should have been utilised more because his appearance was cool. Also why would the heart cause a person to eat it? There was no explanation for it. It would have made more sense for Jason to just process him like a ghost. Also why would Jason shave some guy's back and then kill him? Such a weird and creepy scene which made no sense considering Jason is not into that kind of stuff. He is basically childlike because he never had a childhood. I like all the films including Part 5 but this film rubbed me the wrong way. Burns had a blue mask which indicated a different person. Roy and Jarvis were basically a legacy of Jason as one survived him and one became him to sought vengeance. This film basically featured some spitir taking people over and nothing to do with the real Jason who got gunned down by the FBI, which was the best scene. You could even argue that the spirit was not Jason as the director tied this into Evil Dead as he had the Necronomicon on a table in one of the scenes.
Almost every Friday film has been a straight forward slasher. The only one that truly makes no sense is Part 8. Excuses excuses
You forgot the question mark, it was more of a defense than you think
@@q.h.s5051 the franchise from part 2 and foward except five is literally built on a shitty retcon paradoxical mess
I love how you went from absolutely hating the leprechaun to kinda loving him over the course of the kill counts you did on the movies and now add him into other counts.😄
Fun Fact: Tony Todd had auditioned for the role of Creighton Dukes character
Imagine Candyman in this movie 👀
Oh man, he'd have crushed that.
@@kimd7835 yeah he would've he was one hell of a good actor
@@kimd7835 he was the coroner in final destination
I do like this Duke but Tony Todd should not have to audition for that role
I died laughing when I heard “Junkie shooting up in an ally” again.
Shooting up drugs in an alley
@@elhopper3735 mmmm drugs
@@Rorschach220 mmmm DONUTS
@@BMarks9709Mhhhhh chocolate
Mmmmmmm hotdogs
13:37 okay, I have a theory for this. People possessed by Jason is likely unable to feel pain(like Jason was, seeing how HE only grunts when shot at by a whole circus), and it's possible that Jason, being intelligent enough while possessed, can probably fake some minor pain such as being slashed, but can't replicate the genuine reaction to some more major agony like breaking fingers, making it a good way of telling someone is possessed by Jason or not
J-Dog’s grunting sounds like he’s a disappointed dad
Pfff
My dumb baby brain thinking about Hollywood undead:
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@@moezfoez haha same
@@moezfoez same lmao
It's a shame that he directed this so young, he seems like a fun smart guy and if he was able to direct a Friday film 5 years later I'm sure it would've been incredible, inclusive, stylised, and most importantly, coherent
The saddest part is that this film could have one of the best. The FBI scene should have been in the middle of the film then he could try and possess people which then results him actually going to hell at the end. We could then see him trying to escape. That could lead to the sequel of him gaining new abilities and actually getting the pitchfolk like Savini Jason from the game. The 90s sadly only had one film.
Nahh
The "coherent" part... definitely the biggest issue with this movie! I always *think* I like this movie, because there are so many individual scenes in it that I like... but then when I sit down and try to watch it, it's just a mess.
And it had very good characters, the only part I didn't like was not seeing jason in action most of the movie
@@Cletus-Hellfire The FBI trying to kill Jason should have been its own film, really. My personal idea (partially drawn from some things I heard were either cut ideas or from spinoffs) would be the government trying to kill Jason and having to bring in his many foes to put him down - imagine Tommy Jarvis, Tina lastnameIcan'trememberfrompart7, and Creighton Duke becoming an elite anti-Jason task force, perhaps bringing in the lore from this movie so we could get Jessica and the magic Voorhees dagger too. It wouldn't have been possible since they couldn't get the rights to Tommy (couldn't even get the rights to the damn name of the series!), but it would have been a way cooler movie if it could have happened.
Edit: Shepard! Tina Shepard was her name!
Therapist: Jason Voorhees reading a magazine doesn't exist and can't hurt you
Jason Voorhees reading a magazine: 23:01
Wth why are you here
@@Kaijuchainsaw63 i enjoyed watching his vids nothing of the ordinary
@@HelenaSan425k
I remember James' story about getting his head slammed on a car door in the old kill count
@Random Task Nigga James said it just left a bruise on his forehead for a week.
@@GAMEPRODELTA i think he was going to prom or something like that
I expected that kill to be dull machete since he said it’s not a fatal injury
Did he thlam his head in the car door?
@@offcialaa2progamr OOOULOOUOUUUO
The original kill count of Jason Goes to Hell was my introduction to this amazing channel.
Same
Mine was 'The Banana Splits Movie'
Yeah
I love how this movie has the best gore of the entire series despite how ridiculous this movie is
Mine was the scream 2 kill count, we og’s
*I can imagine the Friday fans reaction of seeing Freddy Krueger’s hand pulling Jason‘s mask down to hell*
"No one touches that fucking ray of sunshine" is one my favorite lines in the entire series.
Duke’s “death” would have only caused him to be a paraplegic at about the T6 level resulting in poor, or no trunk control and leg function. He for sure would have pooped or peed himself. He could have passed out from the trauma alone; a vasovagal response triggered by pain and stress.
I like that this is all very technical and cool and definitely something I have no knowledge of, but also you said "pooped and peed" so I must laugh.
If there's 1 thing that I can appreciate about movies & t.v. is that they never get that detail (people peeing & pooping themselves at some truly terrible times-especially after death) right. 'cause it would suck to see.
the actor was in supernatural I could imagine a cross over between two franchisees
@@braykusan3804 pre- or post- pooped his pants?
@@braykusan3804 that’s what I was thinking, clearly this is Rufus’ origin story.
RIP leslie jordan
1955 - 2022
"I'll count Jason Voorhees as dead for a second time in this film, as the hands pull him underground. It's only forever, not long at all. Jessica and Steven kiss, their heads turn into the sun, and no one can blame them for walking away."
Labyrinth references in a kill count. Nice.
Their heads turn into the sun?!
I love that we're seeing more of Chelsea and Zoran on the Kill Count!!
No
@@TeRraAwTisM F tier comment
“i want clout!”
Ok and? Never asked
Lots of weird babies replying to this comment lmao apparently no one's allowed an opinion anymore
“Whats worse Jason goes to hell or Jason takes Manhattan?”
“Holy shit dude… never make me think about that again”
I’m LIVING for the more intricate “to the numbers…” bits (OH and seeing more Chelsea in KC content 🥰)
Me 2 😍
Chelsea needs a only fans
@cj is up he
Chelsea should host a few episodes
@@brokenfacedclown1045 Gross bro, go outside
As weird as making Jason a deadite was, the lore did play a huge part in Freddy vs Jason vs Ash which is a really damn fun comic, so I don't mind the strange retcon
Wish it was elaborated more on in the films though like how Pamela originally used to to resurrect Jason Voorhees from the dead the first time
Jason as a deadite actually works pretty well. Ruthless bulldozer like killing machine that favors over-the-top murders with improvised weapons. Plus only massive bodily damage can put him down even then its only temporary. You have to replace spells from the Necronomican with pre-marital sex in the woods though. However, that could be cribbed with Pamela incorporating that into Jason's deadite-fication on purpose.
It actually turns the first 7ish films into something like a coherent timeline. "New Beginning" was Jason incompletely manifesting in the paramedic killer. It also explains if clumsily why Tommy Jarvis had a premonition of how he and a meatbag friend inadvertently restored Jason's original deadite form.
That exists!? I gotta se it!
@@Apollo_Vanron its a graphic novel but yes
@@sctumminello You can customise your deadite? Cool.
I honestly like a lot of the pieces of lore this movie added: the fact that Jason is inherently a supernatural being, the fact that Pamela Vorheez had other children, the solidification as Elias existing in this canon, Duke, and even that Jason can talk, simply choosing not to most of the time.
Honestly, the way I make sense of the usually mute Jason with this movie is that he knows how to talk, but after he became zombie Jason, his body physically couldn't talk anymore.
"He had it coming. He had it coming all along" Not James quoting a murderess musical
I didn't do it... but if I did it, how could you tell me that I was wrong?
Ah ah.....
Yooo my high school is actually doing that musical this year and am In it lol
what musical?
@@diogee5738 it’s called Chicago
I love the little nod to David Bowie and the labyrinth with James saying “it’s only forever that’s not long at all”
honestly i love marcus’s ambitions with this movie, even if the movie as a whole is a mess. the ideas he makes work are great and even if his more out there ideas were too convoluted, it’s so charming and relatable to have those kind of “headcanon” ideas as if he was just a fan like the rest of us
Knowing Duke, that gasp he made after he got his back broken was probably him just messing with us
Jason decompressed his spine and he had to take a nap after.
Perhaps he had been holding in a fart.
I think this director honestly had some good ideas and he’s really funny! It’s like this movie could have actually been unique AND good if the script didn’t get sent to hell like jason did.
His script was aperatnly WAY worse, This was the ''coherent'' rewrite
@@jesusramirezromo2037
I’m inclined to believe the inclusion of Dean Lorey was what kept the movie from being unwatchable. He’s certainly had more prominent writing credits to suggest as much.
Fun Fact: A Deleted Scene Character Called David who was Vicki’s Boyfriend that didn’t make the final Film was played by Jonathan Penner who Competed in 3 seasons of Survivor (Cook Islands, Micronesia, and Philippines) I thought that was cool
I’ve been loving these recounts, but the Labyrinth references towards the end of this one are making this become my favorite. Keep it up man, can’t wait to see more!
Fun Fact: Pamela using the Necronomicon to resurrect Jason as a deadite was also deemed canon in the Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash comic series.
Hopefully they give us the movie version of that comic
Friday the 13th vengeance has a similar interpretation, but concentrates more on Jasons Dad (and it has a bunch of great kills lol )
It tries to repllicate the original part 7 script I think
Honestly they should make an animated Freddy vs Jason Vs Ash have Bruce Campbell and Robert England reprise their roles.
@@KumaoftheForest The comic only exists because of the inability to create a three way crossover after the abysmal overhead returns from the Freddy vs. Jason movie
19:12 "So, just puttin' it out there that you can cast me in your movie! I won't mind." and then james and chelsea were in the new Scream movie in a cameo
Love seeing these re-counts. Was here since the first Friday count and just seeing how much you and the channel have evolved and grown makes me so happy, I remember when you shared that you were leaving your job to do this full time the happiness that filled my body was something else. So excited to see where this keeps going and can’t wait to be part of the journey
I love Chelsea doing Kill Count trailers at the end. It's always great seeing y'all together, and a welcome surprise when she pops up as characters in Kill Counts. This is just like a little taste of those moments, and I'm LIVING for it!
24:35 that line is the best part
This had so much potential that got squandered away!
The end when Freddy's Hand comes up from the dirt from hell was beyond epic Unfortunately nothing came after that until a decade or so later
Its werid becaues Jason X released after this but if you look into it it makes more sence that Freddy Vs Jason came first in the timeline then Jason X they should have made Freddy Vs Jason first
@@Ryderboycolor9 jason x was made with the same reason as goes to hell, to keep the franchise fresh on the mind of everyone
@@Chicanochars ah well i do like some parts of the Movie and love both Jasons designs we got the movie was not that great and it was hard as to where it would be in the timeline not an outright bad movie by any means but as you said that is why the movie was made
@@Chicanochars yes, just like every slasher movie they dumped in theathers in the 1990's before Scream came around and revitalized the genre
@@DodoRibeiro-ts6po the early 1990s before scream really where the dark times in horror
“ i want just as much naked men as much as there are naked women, let’s even the score something for the ladies” good morals I’ll give him that
As weird and as bad this movie was, he really tried to do something new
Yeah I ain't a gay so just give us titties.
@@GODCONVOYPRIME idk man seems pretty gay to me
@@GODCONVOYPRIME cringe. go watch porn lmao, movies being inclusive is a good thing
@@GODCONVOYPRIME You're down bad
19:13 total success (he was in Scream 2022)
Seeing the coroner eat the heart: "ewww"
"This thing was made of gelatin and filled with grape jelly."
Now *I* want to eat it.
Apparently it made Richard Gant vomit after he ate it.
@@mrmusickhimself
ewww
You’d be surprised at the delicious food combinations used for some of the nastiest effects. I believe James even mentioned in the Zombieland kill counts that the vomit and mouth blood in those flicks were made with banana pudding/granola and chocolate syrup/coffee. In the Sixth Sense, Mischa Barton’s ghost “vomited” a sweet oatmeal that she said tasted pretty good.
I do too
I would also probably vomit, that's disgusting
Yet another awesome “to the numbers” bit in a row
Good job James
14:40 who tf says this ever about a baby in a restaurant? 🤣
"Pull him underground. It's only forever, not long at all" I love it when James makes a reference to Bowie.
I wondered if that was intentional and then the “no one can blame them for walking away” nailed it lol
"He had it coming." Thanks, James. Now I'll have Cellblock Tango in my head all day.
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James-“Does that make sense to you”
Sheriff “I don’t think so”
James- “we’ll I do woodsy Cowboy, and it’s my show”
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I really love how much behind-the-scenes footage and interview material they made for this series. It probably makes James' life a lot easier and increases the amount of content in these videos.
It has been.
Rusty Schwimmer came to my highschool to talk to our theatre classes. She was one of the funniest and most honest people ever, a real great person.
Apparently she went to school with the sister of Michael Madsen who played Bill's brother in Kill Bill.
@@Cletus-Hellfire After doing some research probably New Trier in Winnetka IL, known around here for notable alumni
@@chucklebutt4470 I don't
RIP Leslie Jordan
1955 - 2022
Hey James, just wanted to say I am LOVING these recounts. So nice to see the movies that started this series getting the new Dead Meat treatment. Many props to you and the whole Dead Meat team!
I think the “Business!” gimmick is my favorite on the channel.
13:08 "Since Josh's body pulled a Mikey MyMy and said good byebye" lmfaoooo i love the references to other classic horror movies
“I got a gun”
“Fuck that I got a gun”
*Jason appears* “Fuck that I have a machete”
@Jessica💋 Sweety Hotgirl - Vlogs you literally just copying what Grayson gaming just said. 😒
Ashley Williams appears: Fuck that, I got a chainsaw and a shotgun.
@@beckylynchgirl859 😂👍💯
Freddy Krueger appears: Fuck that, I got a finger knife glove!
@@traviscummings9178 😂👍
“slipping her the slug” is just a phrase I’m really not down for 😂😂😂
The return of “BUSINESS!” James always makes me happy
"Blown to shitereens" my new favourite phrase
Considering how hard it is to kill Jason, being a deadite would kinda make sense
I guess. But in that case, why hasn't Jason crossed over with Ash?
@@Saltyaf38 he has u should check Freddy vs Jason vs ash
@@Saltyaf38 it’ll never happen live action since Bruce Campbell is done with the character, but the comic exists
@@PesteRattus No shit, obviously it's never gonna happen. It would be cool tho
I'm probably wrong about this, but I'd heard that the plan was to make Jason either a Deadite or at least Deadite adjacent. Because Freddy vs Jason was supposed to be Freddy vs Jason vs Evil Dead and it was supposed to be a three way fight between Jason, Freddy, and Ash. Or maybe that was what they were planning to do with the sequel that never happened.
I liked the opening to JTGH since the first time I watched it. It brought a spark of realism to the lore that really intrigued me on how they were gonna up the anty. The possession and body swapping made sense to me. I would like to see more horror monsters confronted with real life scenarios.
Hundreds of views in under 5 minutes.
Dead meat is one of the best channels. Every Friday I look forward to these videos
as soon as James posts, we come running faster than someone going to a house when their love interest is the only one there
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James: My parents aren't home
The fans:
Connecting the timeline here isn't too hard if we make a few assumptions about how things played out.
If we roll with the idea that Pamela Voorhees is Diana's mother, we can assume she was born shortly before the first movie happened. That movie ends, Alice says "he's still out there," and the cops search the woods and find a crying baby left behind in the Voorhees house. She's adopted off and years go by.
Some people might say that makes her too young to be a grandmother in this, but consider: Every Friday moving starting with New Blood is set in the future. That movie starts in the present when Tina was a little girl, then jumps ahead several years to start the plot. That would mean Diana would be in her mid to late 30s in this movie, which isn't that much different from her actress' age at the time of filming.
Then we have Jason inexplicably not being a shitty wet child, but that isn't too hard to figure out, either. The radioactive shit water might have made him a child again for a little while, but he probably just grew back to adulthood quickly because it's radioactive shit water. It even explains why his skin grew over his mask now, since he's radioactive and that's not good. At the end of this movie, he does, indeed, go to Hell, at least until Freddy wakes him back up in their movie (Deadite magic probably made him a new body). Since Jason beats Freddy and keeps on living, that means he can still be alive for David Cronenberg and the gang to kidnap him in Jason X, at which point he's frozen and sent to the future.
What would happen if I drank the radioactive shit water? Is it like the fountain of youth?
@@ogbobbyjohnson7311 yeah the magic radioactive shit water has whatever properties the writers need to justify the bullshittery
It occurs to me that it’s perfectly viable, and possibly a really cool idea to create a mcu-like universe for horror villains. I’m not talking combined movies like the Freddy v Jason thing, but having little things like the necronomicon being the basis for some of the weird shit that happens, or a cabin in the woods organisation explaining how stuff moves around and stuff isn’t investigated. Just a reference here, a book there, and a man in black to set things in motion would be all it would need.
The dream demons could def be explained as entities adjacent to the beings talked about in the Necronomicon
My favorite part of this movie (aside from the tent kill that I saw when I watched it for the very first time renting it on VHS) was the fact that during the opening chase scene, you can clearly see that the actress is wearing combat boots as she runs through the woods at one point.
Yeah also her stopping and waiting for Jason it catch up to spring the trap was a nice touch too.
James should have became Jason at the end and transfer his soul to Chelsea and have her do the numbers bit. That would have been cool to see.
They did something like that once, I forget which kill count it was, but Chelsea did the numbers once
Or Lucy!
@@brainkiller7503 freaky*
I'm just going to go on record to say that the sponsor commercials are some of my favorite parts of Deadmeat. The look at the camera winks or smiles are so comforting. The characters in Final Friday are the only good thing about this movie.
Fun fact: the guy playing coroner Phil is George Washington Duke in Rocky V
For real?
Only in America
@@mrwarming6601 Yep!
@@donlapham1265 thats cool
Fun fact go away
Sean S. Cunningham: Get that mask out of the movie
Some Fans: THE MASK IS WHAT MAKES HIM
Part 2: Am I a joke to you?
RIP Leslie Jordan
the way james says "oh, ok" at 16:20 is both adorable and hilarious
"A new one, and an old one." This intro is class. 'Jason goes to Hell' was my entry point (what 13 year old could resist those VHS previews!) and is still my favourite of the lot.
The way Ward tossed around that pistol was freakin awesome! 19:28
Honestly my favorite part of these videos is not the kills or the movie but the behind the scenes stuff
JASON HAS A SISTER,
FREDDY HAS A DAUGHTER,
THEY ALWAYS DO THIS!!!
The commentary on this one was so great, I was laughing even more than usual. So glad this series got a kill count remake
Marcus: NO! Its canon! Jason is a deadite! It's in the movie it's canon! Deal with it!!
James: Oh okay :(
lol
It’s like your sibling saying “your not the boss of me” while ruining your lego Death Star
@@graystark240 That sounds oddly specific.
"In my professional opinion,this guy's deader than shit. Um,strike that last comment from the record." That line really hit me,I'm flattered. I like it though and it's the best.
The numbers bits for these recounts have been ON POINT
I laugh every time I see the coroner eating the heart. Because right before he goes to pick it up, he makes a face that says, "fuck it, I'm hungry" lol. It cracks me up every time I see it.
I’m in love with these kill counts
So why don't you marry them
@@BobbySacamano no clue
This movie is literally so much fun. Body Snatchers, Halloween, Evil Dead, Nightmare, Hellraiser, Alien. This movie has so much fun kills and nods to horror, I cant help but love it.
Same 👍
Ehhhhh I'd prefer less body snatchers and evil dead I also wish him being a.... a fucking deadite! Wasn't canon
I like that James calls us family. I'm glad to be a part of it.
I've been loving these "Get to the Numbers" bits a lot recently, keep em coming James!
I do love how much Adam Marcus' love for horror movies shines in this film. The references to horror legends (characters named after John Landis, Robert Englund, Lewis Abernathy, and Bruce Campbell); "Cunningham County" badges on the cops paying homage to Sean; effects reminiscent of Cronenberg and David Lynch films; Easter Eggs of the Necronomicon and Evil Dead dagger, crate from Creepshow, and the actual jungle gym from the set of The Birds; Creighton Duke's line ("For that, you get the mask, the machete, the whole damn thing") that paraphrases Quint's line from Jaws. Probably even more I haven't picked up on.
FINALLY, let's get to Jason X, my favorite of the series! I really, REALLY hope James still loves it. Fingers crossed!
Last time he said he kind of enjoyed it I believe
Jason x is bad
@@amqru Yes, it is. Actually, it’s pretty much awful. It’s also probably my favorite in the series. Not saying others in the series aren’t much better, but I like the fun and camp.
"We didn't make any sense? Did you watch any of the other films?" HAHAHA Touché!
I mean, the other films do make sence...
All you have to accept is zombies and telekiesis, there where no souls, demons, magic daggers, hell babbies, body switching, etc
@@jesusramirezromo2037 And Jason surviving as a child somehow. And him killing teenagers in unrealistic ways as an adult. And the timeline. And...
@@balabanasireti The timeline is simple tho, with it only geting complex from newline's movies
And Jason surviving is waaaay more realistic and simple than the shit Marcus came up with; with Pamela reviving him from the dead with the Necronomicom, yet never seeing him
its just zombies, gore, and booba
@@jesusramirezromo2037 Didn't Part 3 happen 2-3 days after Part 3 and yet that one guy wanted to avenge his sister as if it happened months or a year ago?
Also, I don't think that a little boy surviving his whole life in the woods is that realistic.
I'm loving these recounts! You mix the trivia with the kills perfectly! Looking forward to the next one!