Nostalgia for the pre-pandemic economy was always Trump's advantage and Harris's disadvantage. Nothing looks better than "the good old days" when what you are selling is something "not quite as good as the good old days." That is what the Harris campaign offered. It was a realistic and honest offer, but it was not as good as what the other guy was selling. Saying "inflation is going down" is not the same as saying, "Prices will go down." Trump did not even have to sell people on that promise (which is entirely unrealistic); he just had to ask people to "remember your grocery bill when I was president!" The voters took themselves exactly where the Trump campaign wanted them to go. That's how we got where we are today.
That is really well put. Inflation after the pandemic would have been as bad or worse under Trump but he was lucky in a way to get out of office before it happened, as he is lucky in so many things. His mishandling of Covid and of distribution of vaccines in fact made things worse and his halving of legal immigration led to worker shortages which in turn helped push up prices.
@@mikesocarras8827 maybe the dems will start having real primaries. Tricky to campaign against democracy when your candidate is picked in back rooms by donors…
Ignorance has been bliss. Now, it's time to reap what has been a long time being sown. I live in Oklahoma, so, I've long since gotten used to the reality that my fellow American is a drug-fueled ignorant racist. Unfortunately, now the better places in the world will be forced to live the Old South reality.
Being German I always had the greatest love for the USA and thought that Magas in 2016 would be a sad exception. Now I know that this is the constant dark side of America and distance myself a bit more from the US.
I don't blame you. My countrymen have just positively voted to have an authoritarian regime. Unreasonable men have triumphed and showed us how popular unreason now is in the US. This regime will no longer be a reliable friend of democratic states throughout the world.
Being Brazilian, I kinda feel the same. The US was never the shining city on a hill that it thought itself to be, but now I feel that that ideal is farther from reality than it was a couple decades ago.
I've never been to the US yet, but I'm not going anytime soon either. I prefer to visit functioning democracies. I hope the US are among them anytime soon again
I don't understand people who say "we deserve what we get" as if we are one person. Women don't deserve to die of treatable causes. Immigrants who have lived in the US for more of their lives than they have in another country do not deserve to be deported. Reporters, journalists and judges with any integrity will not deserve to be harassed. If some dude who voted for trump starts complaining about the cost of his coffee? Sure, he deserved that. But that doesn't mean shit. The people who will suffer the hardest from this election are the people who will have deserved it the least.
At some point there's enough kids in the classroom acting up that the teacher punishes the whole class because it's not worth singling out any one kid. Make more sense?
Yes and American citizens don’t deserve to have much higher cost of living and not be able to afford food. Get your priorities straight, it’s why you lost
The ppl that will suffer the hardest are the ppl who are already suffering from all the stuff that you just described. None of this is new.....yesterday is probably the most honest this country has been in a long time. Decades of picking the lesser of two evils ultimately is still decades of picking evil.
And yet it would seem that Trump made significant gains across a diverse group of voters. I’m very interested to learn more in the coming weeks as all of the data comes in.
Rural communities and states with strict abortion bans with doctor punishment will feel the effects of abortion when there are no OBGYN in their state. People were holding out hope for change, I think this election will cause doctors to leave faster.
@ArmHope That seems a little reductionist. I don't think anyone is disputing that the Democratic party failed in many ways. But, they definitely did not exist in a vacuum, get credit for what they were able to do, or create all the factors that brought them down.
@@bobbyc1120 you have the same logic of the democratic party, while they refused to have a primary a year ago because they are smarter than the electorate. You are the patronizing authoritarian who refused a primary.
David Plouffe is a moron. He miscalculated on Israel trade and the border and shat on the entire working class to chase a few ghosts of nikki haley voters
I naively thought that the fact that he's a Yankee and not a born-again Christian would turn off Americans in 'Middle America' but in hindsight, in his core, he's the most 'American' person I can think of.
That's it. Groceries and gas prices (due to covid and Russian invasion of Ukraine) frightened many people into thinking it was Biden's fault. Short-sighted, but that is it. And when we go into a real recession in a year or two people will know what's up for real..
Yes, he is not a fad, he is the symptom of "disaster nationalism" that has spread all over the world. Why should the US be different? India, China, EU, all have moved to the right based on our love of disasters. If curious, look up "Disaster Nationalism" by Richard Seymour, he has several interview and lecture on this site.
My gosh. Her edited 60 minutes interview is nearly all you need to know. This is a person running for the highest post in the land and 60 minutes couldn’t let her speak freely - they (or the campaign…and that’s worse) just couldn’t help misinforming the public. Just a disaster. How many “producers” and “handlers” and “directors” etc were involved 100x over in the past trying to mold her into someone she wasn’t? She should have insisted on autonomy. All the cooks spoiled the broth. It aint rocket science. Imagine all the “experts” in the background with their fingers in the mix, knowing what’s best, not just for the Dem Party and Biden and Kamala and 60 Minutes and CBS and all the advertisers. Just gross.
Man, Michelle's absolute insistence on not wanting to understand the 71 million Americans who voted for Trump is so hard to listen to. It's far easier to call her political opponents hateful racists and bigots, than to actually listen to them. Ross simply encouraged the others to listen to the Theo Von and Joe Rogan interviews, and a level of audible anger rose up in Michelle. Trump voters are not the monsters that so many like Michelle make them out to be. There is great opportunity in this next season if the political left with simply acknowledge this.
Voting for a felon who tried to overturn a fair election result is morally questionable at minimum. Funny how even Mike Pence refused to endorse Trump because of that.
I voted for Harris and proudly so. However, immigration and driven the country to the right. We must slow down the flow of immigrants. We don’t have the resources. Too much too fast.
Incorrect. Immigrants provide billions in tax revenue. Deporting them and many others will COST even MORE, and that workforce and revenue will not be replaced... Or is that why minors are being allowed to work?
Are you aware that immigrants applying for asylum aren't allowed to work for the first six months they're in this country? That's six months of taking care of their needs, when they could be paying rent, buying groceries and paying taxes.
It makes their jobs easier, which also makes it seem like they're more interested in their workload than the outcome for the country. Certainly bad taste to say that.
If it was close it would’ve been sadder knowing it came down to people not going out to vote. This result just shows that the hate and lack of education in this country is the actual problem.
Yet your comment calling Kamala Harris mentally ill is completely normal and above board. So much for 78 being too old for a president. Hate and cruelty won out, and y'all are gonna pay for it with tariffs, leading to higher prices, and higher taxes. Trump promised the rich a tax cut, he's not going to provide relief for anyone but himself. Watch. We've been there already.
@@oneleggeddog They lost because they're wrong. Trump just won a historic blowout that will be remembered for decades, and they're still rambling on and on about racism, sexism, and he's Hitler and all that gaslighting, propaganda BS. Identity politics does not work, it only divides people, and yet they're STILL going to harp on it. They'll probably keep this nonsense up until 2028 and lose AGAIN. They just don't get it... and I doubt they ever will.
My sister and my friend Mudassar and not angry and nasty but they do believe that there is a liberal elite who doesnt let people say what they want, do what they want, write what they want and looks down their noses at most of the people in the country. There are absolutely an elite like that but they are not numerous but are influential.
Why can't they just admit that Kamala was an idiot? She did 0 press conferences and, with the exception of one mildly difficult 27-minute sit down with Bret Baier (in which she performed terribly), she avoided tough interviews like the plague. She insulated herself with friendly, softball interviews and media appearances wherein she failed to ever articulate a strong vision for the country, and instead opted to repeat slogans and rehearsed lines ad nauseum while obsessively demonizing Donald Trump. She was completely void of depth or substance. There's a reason she dropped out of the 2019 Democratic primaries so early. She simply was never a charismatic or rhetorically skilled candidate.
I mean, the Harris campaign made a lot of poor choices imo, but this also suggests that Trump did have an articulate vision for the country and for policy? He had concepts of plans, man. He sucked in the one debate he was willing to do against Harris and regularly said crazy, nonsensical shit and lies. Harris laid out policy ideas in interviews and in writing and in stump speeches, but her detractors effectively sold, "she never answers questions, only says Trump is bad". Her and her campaign made some dumbass decisions, but that doesn't mean the Trump campaign was good or articulate or honest or not absolutely bonkers - it's just that the electorate didn't care. Harris is a run-of-the-mill Democrat candidate who was Attorney General of the most populous US state with the largest economy and then served as a senator. Yet people believed she "wasn't qualified" or had no clue how to govern. The disinformation campaign against Harris was incredibly effective, but mostly because the people hearing it didn't take a few seconds to check any kind of facts and even if they did, they didn't believe anything but the narrative. Yes, they ran a poor campaign, but the Trump campaign didn't need to run a better one to win. The electorate just wanted fascism more than they wanted a black woman.
Calling it Trumpism proves you still don't get it. My Voting Record is Obama x2, Bernie, Trump x3. You keep trying to make it about Trump and his personality when it's not about him. It's entirely about the economy and foreign policy. It's center-populism. My '28 vote will go to the whoever the most anti-war, socially libertarian, but economically nationalist/populist candidate is. The last three elections that has been Trump. If there isn't a libertarian populist in '28 then my vote will go to whoever is closest. If that's a left-leaning populist like RFK or a right-leaning populist like Tucker... social issues matter less to me. But if Republicans go back to nominating neocons or think that I'd ever vote for a McCain or Bush they don't understand me either.
I don't think Trumpism is necessarily a negative term. I think it sounds better than MAGA. I think it's just the name that people are using to describe the movement like with Karl Marx and Marxism. It doesn't have a positive or negative connotation, it's just a description.
"Trumpism Is Not a Fad" Maybe so but you certainly are NYT editors and staff, perhaps better do yourself a favour and stop talking in absolutes as you're more likely to miss than hit IMHO.
@@hussainwaseem1542 LOL no. The time for coalition building has passed. Trump did not win by building a coalition. It's time for a real, radical message that sounds like the truth in a roomful of lies. It's time to stop compromising.
Love the sperging in these comments from sore loser libs. Watching the value of your dollar decrease in real time while your taxes concurrently raise year over year is extremely demoralizing and frustrating, especially when you are just starting out like me. I entered the job market early on during the Biden admin and my quality of life has demonstrably decreased despite bonuses and raises. I’m a college educated male professional that lives in a big city, nothing the democrats are selling resonates with me in the slightest. Huge victory last night, can’t wait for the next four years. MAGA!
@@EtowahEdits im not a sore loser. I am sad that the US will never be a superpower again and that I will have to leave in order to avoid persecution and imprisonment. But I've accepted it. The US economy will never, ever recover from this to regain its current position that it has held for decades. And that is OK.
I am a Republican in Georgia. I voted for Trump. However, I do not like Trump. I also do not like the grocery prices, the cost of housing, the immigration problem, the world politics, etc. I also do not like Kamala Harris (remind you, no one voted for her). And if you are a democrat trying to win Georgia and N. Carolina-picking Tim Waltz as VP is a sure way to fall short. We aren’t down with tampons in boys bathrooms. Democrats will never learn. It’s insane to me.
If Trump does like half of what he's campaigned on, grocery prices and the cost of housing will get worse. I hope I'm super wrong and it's a true economic golden age ahead of us, I would love to be wrong on this. But tariffs on everything coming from China? That's hugely inflationary no matter which way it goes. Even if it's for something that we already have manufacturing capacity and facilities for here in the US, levying a 15% tariff on everything coming from China means those importing from China charge 15% more to the consumer (you and me) and those manufacturing domestically get to increase their prices by 14% and still be the competitive choice for consumers. And since we import SO much from China, we do not currently have the manufacturing infrastructure available to replace those imports with a domestic supply. OK, so that means more manufacturing jobs in the US, right? Great, I love that, wish they never left. But how long before companies have this infrastructure up and running to be able to create a competitive domestic alternative to the import at scale? That doesn't sound super fast, which means a lot of time we're stuck paying that 15% tariff on everything that's been passed down to us at the cash register. Once the infrastructure is there, what company is going to make less profit than is absolutely possible? So now you have effectively a ~14% tariff on these domestically produced options, obviously could be less, but what company in their right mind would choose to sell at the old price before the tariffs when they're among the only viable game in town? Oh, and what about the people working these new domestic manufacturing jobs? They're going to have to pay more than the ludicrously low wages foreign and offshored companies were paying before, even if they're just paying the federal minimum wage. Which means wage increases would need to account for less than a 14% price markup on the domestic goods, because if it costs more than that, the domestic manufacturer has to charge the same or more as the foreign manufacturer to be able to remain competitive and profitable. I mean there's even more steps in this chain of events but the driving force is companies trying to maximize what they charge us and minimize what they pay us. Yeah, let's bring manufacturing back to the US, hell yeah, but along with that you're going to need worker and labor protections which are anathema to corporate interests and why not just keep your costs low, charge 15% more to the consumer, and not have to invest any capital in infrastructure or cut into profits through increased wages? And that's just the tariff plan, man. Let's deport millions of immigrants on top of that? They're the ones already doing a lot of the jobs of this nature that still exist in this country, and even still, the cost of deporting TWENTY MILLION (even though the estimates of undocumented immigrants currently in the country are closer to like 13 or 15 million) people, like just the logistics of it, is going to be astronomical if it's even possible. If they manage to "round them all up", guarantee there's going to be a point where someone looks at the balance sheet and realizes it's just cheaper to "liquidate" these liabilities (i.e. our fellow human beings) than properly deport them. I don't understand what Trump is going to bring to world politics that will be positive, but I'm happy to turn out wrong on that too. It was not his strong suit his first time in office and even if he just focuses on helping out Putin, that's not good for anybody but Putin. Putin's been very open about wanting to reclaim the territory of the USSR and if handed Ukraine, its neighbors will be under huge threat if not outright invaded. Also Ukraine has a shit ton of natural resources that we'd just be handing to Putin because... it owns the libs? I bet you and I want the same things as everybody else - the ability to keep our families safe and fed and have the best opportunities possible for our children. Neither of our political parties are actually interested in giving this to us, but Trump and the current day Republican party are openly telling us what they will do to make our lives worse. At best, the Democrats will maintain a fucked up status quo but will probably just do the same shit but slower. And yeah, I feel that remaining trapped in a pile of garbage is better than voluntarily lighting the pile of garbage you're trapped in on fire, but WHY MUST THESE BE OUR CHOICES? We the people have let ourselves be duped and pitted against each other. We need to UNITE. We need to fight for what should be everyone's rights in this country: to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We're not all the same, we do not all hold the same beliefs, but we all deserve those same basic freedoms and the more accessible they are for all of us, the better for all of us. We've let these politicians drive us so far apart from one another, but the whole point of our nation is to freely and peacefully exist next to each, out from under the thumb of unrepresentative authorities. Find me a single American today that feels like their government sufficiently represents them. We need to fix the system and the builder won't let you dismantle his house using his own tools.
Okay, now let's take out all the bias, all the blaming, all the hate, the policies, and the economy. Let’s just think for a minute. Just a minute, okay? First, people are still confused about why Harris lost. I’ll make it short and clear: Harris lost because the Democrats did not run an effective election campaign. That’s a harsh fact. She did not perform well enough. You see, the election campaign isn't about who is more right or wrong; it never was. It’s about who’s more hated and who’s less hated. I know this election can be very tricky to understand, but it wasn’t about moral ethics or anything like that. It was about winning and learning to use hate. Trump did this very well. He effectively capitalized on hate, even against the Hillary campaign. He made people hate the other side vehemently. Now, for the left, Harris did not use hate. Honestly, she did not stir up enough anger. She did not engage in name-calling or say anything provocative enough to generate hate and anger. Trump used this tactic masterfully; he ensured that people hated illegal immigrants, hated Biden, and hated everything about the Democratic Party. This was real, complete hate. People hated so much that they voted Biden and Harris out of anger, just as Americans did against Trump. Hate is a very strong emotion that lasts for a long time. So how do you defeat someone like Trump in an election? It’s simple. You don’t just call his supporters stupid or morons for their hate. Instead, you need to argue strongly against the topics they attack you on. If they attack Harris about the borders, she should have fought back vigorously in debates against Trump supporters, even if they wouldn’t listen. Harris didn’t need to say anything fancy; she just needed to assert, “I’ve done so much work on the borders,” and keep repeating that Trump is all promises and no action. She could have kept emphasizing, “I can do this. I know how to do this.” She just had to keep shouting those phrases, stirring up the crowd, and fighting against MAGA. Even if MAGA doesn’t listen, it can help form a larger blue coalition. You can’t hold back. If they say something bad about you, reply back hard and strong. Scream if you have to. Trying to be a nice candidate is NOT going to work anymore. No more politeness and ethics in the campaign. You need to hit back with words. That’s how you defeat Trump. If he says something, shout and scream back. Keep doing that. Keep engaging with people who don’t like you; that’s how you earn charisma and strength. If a candidate is afraid of failure and ridicule, it will only get worse. Just participate in the debates and SCREAM BACK and ROAR, even if they mock you. Keep doing that, and that’s how you gain attention.
Still don't get it, do you. Keep harping on sexism, racist, hate, Trump is Hitler, and on and on and on. People are sick of these lies. The only hate millions of people see is from the left and their massive echo chamber that took a huge beating last night. But no worries... so many of you will refuse to leave the bubble, will stick to your foolish guns, will repair the bubble, and get ready for 2028... and lose for the same reasons all over again.
You are so very, very wrong and misguided on why Harris lost. The hate came hard and fast the entire four years of the Biden Harris administration. The. hate of Trump and his voters came from the three legacy networks who called Trump and his supporters natzis and fascists. The hate came from relentless attempts to kick the opposing candidate off ballots and prevent him from running, from jailing and arresting and suing and prosecuting the opponent and supporters, the hate came from the current President calling supporters garbage and the media telling their dwindling viewers that life would end and the world would blow up if their non-chosen candidate didn't win. Yet you think the left leaning haters should have hated more.
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Nostalgia for the pre-pandemic economy was always Trump's advantage and Harris's disadvantage. Nothing looks better than "the good old days" when what you are selling is something "not quite as good as the good old days." That is what the Harris campaign offered. It was a realistic and honest offer, but it was not as good as what the other guy was selling. Saying "inflation is going down" is not the same as saying, "Prices will go down." Trump did not even have to sell people on that promise (which is entirely unrealistic); he just had to ask people to "remember your grocery bill when I was president!" The voters took themselves exactly where the Trump campaign wanted them to go. That's how we got where we are today.
That is really well put. Inflation after the pandemic would have been as bad or worse under Trump but he was lucky in a way to get out of office before it happened, as he is lucky in so many things. His mishandling of Covid and of distribution of vaccines in fact made things worse and his halving of legal immigration led to worker shortages which in turn helped push up prices.
Cope lmao Harris was simply an awful candidate and voters did not appreciate her being forced onto them.
what’s forced on who? and you’re masochistic
American's have confirmed that we are by and large short sited, intellectually uncurious, rude, hateful, and greedy. We deserve what we get.
@@mikesocarras8827 maybe the dems will start having real primaries. Tricky to campaign against democracy when your candidate is picked in back rooms by donors…
Have another swig of that Kool-Aid. Or, consider you are being gaslight by the media.
You could be describing the British here.
Ignorance has been bliss. Now, it's time to reap what has been a long time being sown.
I live in Oklahoma, so, I've long since gotten used to the reality that my fellow American is a drug-fueled ignorant racist. Unfortunately, now the better places in the world will be forced to live the Old South reality.
And not educated enough to spell common phrases correctly
Being German I always had the greatest love for the USA and thought that Magas in 2016 would be a sad exception.
Now I know that this is the constant dark side of America and distance myself a bit more from the US.
@@yesnotesinfo as the Afd rises in Deutschland aber… es ist so traurig mit beiden
I don't blame you. My countrymen have just positively voted to have an authoritarian regime. Unreasonable men have triumphed and showed us how popular unreason now is in the US. This regime will no longer be a reliable friend of democratic states throughout the world.
Being Brazilian, I kinda feel the same. The US was never the shining city on a hill that it thought itself to be, but now I feel that that ideal is farther from reality than it was a couple decades ago.
I've never been to the US yet, but I'm not going anytime soon either. I prefer to visit functioning democracies. I hope the US are among them anytime soon again
Americans have been garbage for the EU since your wall fell, wake up to that. Trump is just more in your face - xoxo from Southern Europe
I don't understand people who say "we deserve what we get" as if we are one person. Women don't deserve to die of treatable causes. Immigrants who have lived in the US for more of their lives than they have in another country do not deserve to be deported. Reporters, journalists and judges with any integrity will not deserve to be harassed. If some dude who voted for trump starts complaining about the cost of his coffee? Sure, he deserved that. But that doesn't mean shit. The people who will suffer the hardest from this election are the people who will have deserved it the least.
At some point there's enough kids in the classroom acting up that the teacher punishes the whole class because it's not worth singling out any one kid.
Make more sense?
@@Shmayes81188 No, what you just said is irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
Yes and American citizens don’t deserve to have much higher cost of living and not be able to afford food. Get your priorities straight, it’s why you lost
The ppl that will suffer the hardest are the ppl who are already suffering from all the stuff that you just described. None of this is new.....yesterday is probably the most honest this country has been in a long time. Decades of picking the lesser of two evils ultimately is still decades of picking evil.
"The people who will suffer the hardest from this election are the people who will have deserved it the least." THIS
Lots of Trump's win rests on key values of American society: isolationism, "the American dream", celebrity culture, racism, individualism...
Absolutely
Still don't get it.
And also misogyny. Don't forget the misogyny and racism
All tools born from Capitalism and the billionaire traitors who purchased the traitor president elect.
And yet it would seem that Trump made significant gains across a diverse group of voters. I’m very interested to learn more in the coming weeks as all of the data comes in.
True… It's not a fad… It’s a fatal disease…
Don't want to hear a single MAGA voter complain about prices and taxes going forward. You got duped, yet again.
Even if prices go up or things are bad-- who's to say the Dems would have done better?
@@gnoufignon Dems weren't talking about tariffs.
@@gnoufignon History and facts. But I understand MAGAts don't understand what either of those are.
things were great duringTrump’s first four years, so why would I have any reason to believe things will be bad now when they were good before?
Nobody ever thinks they are the ones who will be hated on.
Rural communities and states with strict abortion bans with doctor punishment will feel the effects of abortion when there are no OBGYN in their state. People were holding out hope for change, I think this election will cause doctors to leave faster.
They don’t care
“Rally people around to hate on an other.” This.
Next 4 years will be a Shakespearean experience in America and in the rest of the World.
Good luck in Washington!
Pretty sad that they are talking about scapegoating and then refusing to admit that it was the Democratic Party that failed and no one else
@ArmHope That seems a little reductionist. I don't think anyone is disputing that the Democratic party failed in many ways. But, they definitely did not exist in a vacuum, get credit for what they were able to do, or create all the factors that brought them down.
@@natepinsonDon't argue with him. You can't win against people like that.
@@bobbyc1120 you have the same logic of the democratic party, while they refused to have a primary a year ago because they are smarter than the electorate. You are the patronizing authoritarian who refused a primary.
Ignorance and fear won. Build your camps, smile for history.
David Plouffe is a moron. He miscalculated on Israel trade and the border and shat on the entire working class to chase a few ghosts of nikki haley voters
I naively thought that the fact that he's a Yankee and not a born-again Christian would turn off Americans in 'Middle America' but in hindsight, in his core, he's the most 'American' person I can think of.
Whats-her-name has a meltdown at 11:35
This how you choose to celebrate your victory? shows alot about your chartacter.
On the bright side neoliberalism is likely over or on the way out. However, I can’t say I like what will replace it
guys come on. it was just people complaining about inflation
That's it. Groceries and gas prices (due to covid and Russian invasion of Ukraine) frightened many people into thinking it was Biden's fault. Short-sighted, but that is it. And when we go into a real recession in a year or two people will know what's up for real..
I’m not waiting to work for Democrats in 2026. We’ve got to elect Abigail Spanberger Governor of Virginia next year …
The *Criminal-in-Chief* reigns again. 😢
You’re weird and nobody agrees with you bro. Trump won in a huge landslide. Stay home and focus on other stuff besides politics
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Michelle is so not Zen right now
She needs to realigned her chakras... I feel her chest chakra needs to open up more.
More people didn’t vote for him. Fewer people voted for the Democrats. So some people just gave up on both parties and this what you get.
Nope. We can't blame this on apathy. This is what people want, apparently.
Many democrats didn’t vote for Democrats because deep down they knew the Dems were the worst candidate
Duh 🙄 what’s wrong with you people? Can you help us with this horrible horrible result?
Yes, he is not a fad, he is the symptom of "disaster nationalism" that has spread all over the world. Why should the US be different? India, China, EU, all have moved to the right based on our love of disasters.
If curious, look up "Disaster Nationalism" by Richard Seymour, he has several interview and lecture on this site.
As opposed to Islamic theocracies , as you so preach
What's wrong with nationalism?
@@andrewpirr There is nothing wrong with healthy nationalism. However, Disaster Nationalism is when it becomes a massive problem.
Disturbing
My gosh. Her edited 60 minutes interview is nearly all you need to know. This is a person running for the highest post in the land and 60 minutes couldn’t let her speak freely - they (or the campaign…and that’s worse) just couldn’t help misinforming the public. Just a disaster. How many “producers” and “handlers” and “directors” etc were involved 100x over in the past trying to mold her into someone she wasn’t? She should have insisted on autonomy. All the cooks spoiled the broth. It aint rocket science. Imagine all the “experts” in the background with their fingers in the mix, knowing what’s best, not just for the Dem Party and Biden and Kamala and 60 Minutes and CBS and all the advertisers. Just gross.
How is "My opponent will be a fascist dictator" not a compelling narrative?
Man, Michelle's absolute insistence on not wanting to understand the 71 million Americans who voted for Trump is so hard to listen to. It's far easier to call her political opponents hateful racists and bigots, than to actually listen to them. Ross simply encouraged the others to listen to the Theo Von and Joe Rogan interviews, and a level of audible anger rose up in Michelle.
Trump voters are not the monsters that so many like Michelle make them out to be. There is great opportunity in this next season if the political left with simply acknowledge this.
Ya she needs to consider the “anger” filter is in her brain
agree. and only by acknowledging that can the left in the US ever win again.
She's legitimately mentally ill
Voting for a felon who tried to overturn a fair election result is morally questionable at minimum. Funny how even Mike Pence refused to endorse Trump because of that.
Oh but the USA is really full of hateful bigots and fascists, there is no doubt about it now.
Lmao at the comments here. Keep blaming the electorate. That will work! I’m sure of it!
Who else is to blame? The people chose what they wanted.
I voted for Harris and proudly so. However, immigration and driven the country to the right. We must slow down the flow of immigrants. We don’t have the resources. Too much too fast.
there arent that many immigrants. the ones there are prop up our economy and SS system. This was never a problem until trump made it one.
Curious that those who voted for trump has no problem with him keeping the immigration issue alive by directing the GOP to kill the Langford bill
Incorrect. Immigrants provide billions in tax revenue. Deporting them and many others will COST even MORE, and that workforce and revenue will not be replaced... Or is that why minors are being allowed to work?
Are you aware that immigrants applying for asylum aren't allowed to work for the first six months they're in this country? That's six months of taking care of their needs, when they could be paying rent, buying groceries and paying taxes.
You people are ridiculous.
You're glad the election wasn't close?
It makes their jobs easier, which also makes it seem like they're more interested in their workload than the outcome for the country. Certainly bad taste to say that.
If it was close it would’ve been sadder knowing it came down to people not going out to vote. This result just shows that the hate and lack of education in this country is the actual problem.
@@Henrysweenienope. Voters didn't show for either of the. If Biden voters had showed up for Harris she would have done easily
They didn't want violence. That's the MAGA way.
@@Henrysweenieactually, more people did not vote for Trump, 15 million fewer people voted Democrat.
The NYT has had a lot of unhinged podcasts posted in the past few hours, this might be amongst the most unhinged
This is incredibly wild yes
Yet your comment calling Kamala Harris mentally ill is completely normal and above board.
So much for 78 being too old for a president.
Hate and cruelty won out, and y'all are gonna pay for it with tariffs, leading to higher prices, and higher taxes. Trump promised the rich a tax cut, he's not going to provide relief for anyone but himself. Watch. We've been there already.
Abortion was NOT "her best issue". Caring for the environment was and still is her best issue
There’s alotta copium getting huffed here😅
Keep sitting there in your studio crying as your city rots due to the very policies the American people rejected last night.
still...coping...gosh...learn to admit
Admit what?
@@oneleggeddog They lost because they're wrong. Trump just won a historic blowout that will be remembered for decades, and they're still rambling on and on about racism, sexism, and he's Hitler and all that gaslighting, propaganda BS. Identity politics does not work, it only divides people, and yet they're STILL going to harp on it. They'll probably keep this nonsense up until 2028 and lose AGAIN. They just don't get it... and I doubt they ever will.
@@yangbomb2 yeah admit what?
Is it me, or is the female participant's voice mixed quite a bit lower than the two male voices?
The lady has a massive load of TDS
No such thing. Civility, care, and compassion are clearly not values that you or your majority co-voters care about. TDS is not a thing.
TDS is completely rational
The D stands for derangement. Derangement is rational; thanks for setting the bar for orwelian double think.
@@Shapeguydude You do realize that Derangement is the middle word there, right? Derangement and rationale are diametrically opposed.
Let the winner (Ross) talk!
You people are clueless about America.
They're clueless about a lot of things.
I think they've lost the plot.
Worse.. they dont even know how to read the book
@@real_Leo_Chang They're still reading f**king hieroglyphics and determining which ones are most racist.
12:19 well said.
horrible analysis
My sister and my friend Mudassar and not angry and nasty but they do believe that there is a liberal elite who doesnt let people say what they want, do what they want, write what they want and looks down their noses at most of the people in the country. There are absolutely an elite like that but they are not numerous but are influential.
Your sister and Mudassar are correct.
Why can't they just admit that Kamala was an idiot?
She did 0 press conferences and, with the exception of one mildly difficult 27-minute sit down with Bret Baier (in which she performed terribly), she avoided tough interviews like the plague. She insulated herself with friendly, softball interviews and media appearances wherein she failed to ever articulate a strong vision for the country, and instead opted to repeat slogans and rehearsed lines ad nauseum while obsessively demonizing Donald Trump. She was completely void of depth or substance.
There's a reason she dropped out of the 2019 Democratic primaries so early. She simply was never a charismatic or rhetorically skilled candidate.
Arrogant people have a hard time admitting they're wrong.
@@nicholasrova3698 Not just arrogant people.
I mean, the Harris campaign made a lot of poor choices imo, but this also suggests that Trump did have an articulate vision for the country and for policy? He had concepts of plans, man. He sucked in the one debate he was willing to do against Harris and regularly said crazy, nonsensical shit and lies. Harris laid out policy ideas in interviews and in writing and in stump speeches, but her detractors effectively sold, "she never answers questions, only says Trump is bad". Her and her campaign made some dumbass decisions, but that doesn't mean the Trump campaign was good or articulate or honest or not absolutely bonkers - it's just that the electorate didn't care. Harris is a run-of-the-mill Democrat candidate who was Attorney General of the most populous US state with the largest economy and then served as a senator. Yet people believed she "wasn't qualified" or had no clue how to govern.
The disinformation campaign against Harris was incredibly effective, but mostly because the people hearing it didn't take a few seconds to check any kind of facts and even if they did, they didn't believe anything but the narrative. Yes, they ran a poor campaign, but the Trump campaign didn't need to run a better one to win. The electorate just wanted fascism more than they wanted a black woman.
@@PenStab100%
dudes in your video have TDS lmao
wait. they can define what a woman is now? When did that happen?
Calling it Trumpism proves you still don't get it. My Voting Record is Obama x2, Bernie, Trump x3. You keep trying to make it about Trump and his personality when it's not about him. It's entirely about the economy and foreign policy. It's center-populism. My '28 vote will go to the whoever the most anti-war, socially libertarian, but economically nationalist/populist candidate is. The last three elections that has been Trump. If there isn't a libertarian populist in '28 then my vote will go to whoever is closest. If that's a left-leaning populist like RFK or a right-leaning populist like Tucker... social issues matter less to me. But if Republicans go back to nominating neocons or think that I'd ever vote for a McCain or Bush they don't understand me either.
I don't think Trumpism is necessarily a negative term. I think it sounds better than MAGA. I think it's just the name that people are using to describe the movement like with Karl Marx and Marxism. It doesn't have a positive or negative connotation, it's just a description.
"Trumpism Is Not a Fad" Maybe so but you certainly are NYT editors and staff, perhaps better do yourself a favour and stop talking in absolutes as you're more likely to miss than hit IMHO.
Calling other people angry and nasty, makes you sound angry and nasty. It’s time to listen to eachother folks.
They're gone. Just enjoy the spiral.
@@hussainwaseem1542 LOL no. The time for coalition building has passed. Trump did not win by building a coalition.
It's time for a real, radical message that sounds like the truth in a roomful of lies.
It's time to stop compromising.
Love the sperging in these comments from sore loser libs.
Watching the value of your dollar decrease in real time while your taxes concurrently raise year over year is extremely demoralizing and frustrating, especially when you are just starting out like me. I entered the job market early on during the Biden admin and my quality of life has demonstrably decreased despite bonuses and raises.
I’m a college educated male professional that lives in a big city, nothing the democrats are selling resonates with me in the slightest. Huge victory last night, can’t wait for the next four years. MAGA!
@@EtowahEdits im not a sore loser. I am sad that the US will never be a superpower again and that I will have to leave in order to avoid persecution and imprisonment. But I've accepted it.
The US economy will never, ever recover from this to regain its current position that it has held for decades. And that is OK.
I am a Republican in Georgia.
I voted for Trump. However, I do not like Trump.
I also do not like the grocery prices, the cost of housing, the immigration problem, the world politics, etc.
I also do not like Kamala Harris (remind you, no one voted for her). And if you are a democrat trying to win Georgia and N. Carolina-picking Tim Waltz as VP is a sure way to fall short. We aren’t down with tampons in boys bathrooms.
Democrats will never learn. It’s insane to me.
If Trump does like half of what he's campaigned on, grocery prices and the cost of housing will get worse. I hope I'm super wrong and it's a true economic golden age ahead of us, I would love to be wrong on this. But tariffs on everything coming from China? That's hugely inflationary no matter which way it goes. Even if it's for something that we already have manufacturing capacity and facilities for here in the US, levying a 15% tariff on everything coming from China means those importing from China charge 15% more to the consumer (you and me) and those manufacturing domestically get to increase their prices by 14% and still be the competitive choice for consumers.
And since we import SO much from China, we do not currently have the manufacturing infrastructure available to replace those imports with a domestic supply. OK, so that means more manufacturing jobs in the US, right? Great, I love that, wish they never left. But how long before companies have this infrastructure up and running to be able to create a competitive domestic alternative to the import at scale? That doesn't sound super fast, which means a lot of time we're stuck paying that 15% tariff on everything that's been passed down to us at the cash register. Once the infrastructure is there, what company is going to make less profit than is absolutely possible? So now you have effectively a ~14% tariff on these domestically produced options, obviously could be less, but what company in their right mind would choose to sell at the old price before the tariffs when they're among the only viable game in town?
Oh, and what about the people working these new domestic manufacturing jobs? They're going to have to pay more than the ludicrously low wages foreign and offshored companies were paying before, even if they're just paying the federal minimum wage. Which means wage increases would need to account for less than a 14% price markup on the domestic goods, because if it costs more than that, the domestic manufacturer has to charge the same or more as the foreign manufacturer to be able to remain competitive and profitable.
I mean there's even more steps in this chain of events but the driving force is companies trying to maximize what they charge us and minimize what they pay us. Yeah, let's bring manufacturing back to the US, hell yeah, but along with that you're going to need worker and labor protections which are anathema to corporate interests and why not just keep your costs low, charge 15% more to the consumer, and not have to invest any capital in infrastructure or cut into profits through increased wages? And that's just the tariff plan, man. Let's deport millions of immigrants on top of that? They're the ones already doing a lot of the jobs of this nature that still exist in this country, and even still, the cost of deporting TWENTY MILLION (even though the estimates of undocumented immigrants currently in the country are closer to like 13 or 15 million) people, like just the logistics of it, is going to be astronomical if it's even possible. If they manage to "round them all up", guarantee there's going to be a point where someone looks at the balance sheet and realizes it's just cheaper to "liquidate" these liabilities (i.e. our fellow human beings) than properly deport them.
I don't understand what Trump is going to bring to world politics that will be positive, but I'm happy to turn out wrong on that too. It was not his strong suit his first time in office and even if he just focuses on helping out Putin, that's not good for anybody but Putin. Putin's been very open about wanting to reclaim the territory of the USSR and if handed Ukraine, its neighbors will be under huge threat if not outright invaded. Also Ukraine has a shit ton of natural resources that we'd just be handing to Putin because... it owns the libs?
I bet you and I want the same things as everybody else - the ability to keep our families safe and fed and have the best opportunities possible for our children. Neither of our political parties are actually interested in giving this to us, but Trump and the current day Republican party are openly telling us what they will do to make our lives worse. At best, the Democrats will maintain a fucked up status quo but will probably just do the same shit but slower. And yeah, I feel that remaining trapped in a pile of garbage is better than voluntarily lighting the pile of garbage you're trapped in on fire, but WHY MUST THESE BE OUR CHOICES? We the people have let ourselves be duped and pitted against each other. We need to UNITE. We need to fight for what should be everyone's rights in this country: to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We're not all the same, we do not all hold the same beliefs, but we all deserve those same basic freedoms and the more accessible they are for all of us, the better for all of us. We've let these politicians drive us so far apart from one another, but the whole point of our nation is to freely and peacefully exist next to each, out from under the thumb of unrepresentative authorities. Find me a single American today that feels like their government sufficiently represents them. We need to fix the system and the builder won't let you dismantle his house using his own tools.
Your tears taste so good!!
lol
here to watch some crying journos!
Let the salt flow 😂
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...of the last of the Americans :)
So, who's on? Since this is Abbot and Costello, minus the humor.
Okay, now let's take out all the bias, all the blaming, all the hate, the policies, and the economy. Let’s just think for a minute. Just a minute, okay?
First, people are still confused about why Harris lost. I’ll make it short and clear: Harris lost because the Democrats did not run an effective election campaign. That’s a harsh fact. She did not perform well enough. You see, the election campaign isn't about who is more right or wrong; it never was. It’s about who’s more hated and who’s less hated. I know this election can be very tricky to understand, but it wasn’t about moral ethics or anything like that. It was about winning and learning to use hate. Trump did this very well. He effectively capitalized on hate, even against the Hillary campaign. He made people hate the other side vehemently.
Now, for the left, Harris did not use hate. Honestly, she did not stir up enough anger. She did not engage in name-calling or say anything provocative enough to generate hate and anger. Trump used this tactic masterfully; he ensured that people hated illegal immigrants, hated Biden, and hated everything about the Democratic Party. This was real, complete hate. People hated so much that they voted Biden and Harris out of anger, just as Americans did against Trump. Hate is a very strong emotion that lasts for a long time.
So how do you defeat someone like Trump in an election? It’s simple. You don’t just call his supporters stupid or morons for their hate. Instead, you need to argue strongly against the topics they attack you on. If they attack Harris about the borders, she should have fought back vigorously in debates against Trump supporters, even if they wouldn’t listen. Harris didn’t need to say anything fancy; she just needed to assert, “I’ve done so much work on the borders,” and keep repeating that Trump is all promises and no action. She could have kept emphasizing, “I can do this. I know how to do this.”
She just had to keep shouting those phrases, stirring up the crowd, and fighting against MAGA. Even if MAGA doesn’t listen, it can help form a larger blue coalition. You can’t hold back. If they say something bad about you, reply back hard and strong. Scream if you have to. Trying to be a nice candidate is NOT going to work anymore. No more politeness and ethics in the campaign. You need to hit back with words. That’s how you defeat Trump. If he says something, shout and scream back. Keep doing that. Keep engaging with people who don’t like you; that’s how you earn charisma and strength. If a candidate is afraid of failure and ridicule, it will only get worse. Just participate in the debates and SCREAM BACK and ROAR, even if they mock you. Keep doing that, and that’s how you gain attention.
Still don't get it, do you. Keep harping on sexism, racist, hate, Trump is Hitler, and on and on and on. People are sick of these lies. The only hate millions of people see is from the left and their massive echo chamber that took a huge beating last night. But no worries... so many of you will refuse to leave the bubble, will stick to your foolish guns, will repair the bubble, and get ready for 2028... and lose for the same reasons all over again.
You are so very, very wrong and misguided on why Harris lost. The hate came hard and fast the entire four years of the Biden Harris administration. The. hate of Trump and his voters came from the three legacy networks who called Trump and his supporters natzis and fascists. The hate came from relentless attempts to kick the opposing candidate off ballots and prevent him from running, from jailing and arresting and suing and prosecuting the opponent and supporters, the hate came from the current President calling supporters garbage and the media telling their dwindling viewers that life would end and the world would blow up if their non-chosen candidate didn't win. Yet you think the left leaning haters should have hated more.