nerfing the heroes abilities and shit is one thing but killing his movement and techs? that's so wrong. this drops his skill ceiling by so much. so sad that doom is about to be a basic winston 2.0 edit: the blizz team knows about this stuff and i am providing my feedback on these changes. i know a lot of you doom players love him for his mobility and fluidity and i will do my best to express that to them
Doom in ow2 beta was literally the only thing I was excited about in ow2. This just killed it for me. Hopefully they see reason and revert the changes but god damn.
@@slevenhanton4004 blame the devs and the crybaby hitscan/support players for flooding their comments with complaints about a character that was already underwhelming outside of OWL coordination.
“We want to make doomfist a tank to keep his CC and mobility” *removes CC* “Doomfist was over performing with previous levels of CC, so we removed some of his CC to bring him in line with other tanks and maintain his mobility” *removes his mobility*
Yeah they also destroyed mercy's skillsealing with removing superjump and just making it part of her official kit. And I dont get why they would want to decrease a heros skill sealing, that's just so wrong and upsetting!
ahahaha , nice. As far as I'm concerned, I can't put it into words how bad it feels to see Doomfist basically "removed" from the game. That pathetic .. thing he is now is a joke. I read another post about how he is basically Winston now, and that's exactly how he feels to me. My fav hero was ruined. Even without what he is talking about in this video.
Even Mercy has techs 🤣 and now they've decided to include them as default abilities because the devs said something like "her super-jump tech is not a secret anymore so we want everybody to be able to use it" :D For sure, Doom techs were only secrets and dirty hacks (right? xD) that needed to be removed and the best way to do that was to change him to a tank hero. Poor Dambe fighter... His fist has never been so weak! lol
All I played in the beta was doomtank. I put over 50 hours into him in the beta. The fact that they removed these tecs makes me very unhappy. All this change does is nerf him again. Why in the world do they keep nerfing him??????? It seems like who ever is running the balance changed now genuinely hates doom fist. I really hope you are able to use your voice as the head doom in this community to make some change. Good luck brother. Hopefully doom gets these tecs back again.
seeing this absolutely crushed me as a doom player. I was so excited to play doom tank with the new skill ceiling and movement. I was angry that they removed the cc because the whole point of moving doom to tank was to keep his cc. They even nerfed his tanking abilities as well..... now this??? This is too far. This NEEDS to be reverted, this kills the hero in its entirety. Doom tank now isn't even close to doom dps. Whoever is behind the balancing is straight up trolling... they have to be.
@@doomed_to_fail now his movement is actually in line with dps doom THE PROBLEM IS that they yeeted his dmg so now you basically have dps doom movement with no dmg, the only thing he has now is some more hp/ a shitty block.
Doomfist in OW1 is the most unique FPS experience I’ve ever had. His skill set is so unique that it felt like mastering an art. I mean, who else can perform combos in an FPS game? The choice between using abilities offensively or for positioning with rollouts it’s always so exciting and his powerful melee style made the game feel so personal. Instead of shooting bullets, you felt like you were the bullet. Tank doom takes everything that I love about the hero away. I was so surprised about how many people said they liked this new doom for his movement, and so I had some hope, but now it looks like a pipe dream. I’ll never be able to perform the art of DPS doom again and there’s no equal anywhere. Tank doom was a big red flag for me to begin with, and it just keeps getting worse
exactly what i feel. his 3 abilities in OW1 just worked perfectly together whereas i feel that his ones in OW2 don’t offer the same value when used together. it’s an entirely new hero because what made doomfist doomfist was being able to get value out of learning the hero back to front and doing techs and now that that can’t be done the skill ceiling is now too low and the hero should literally be renamed at this point
its so cringe to because this was just for 5v5... like we lost one of best dps characters in fps history so we can have 5v5 deathmatch to attract teens to play the game... fkn dumb af tbh. feels awful. they should make genji a sup next and make moira a fkn tank
That is because is the most retarded hero in OW1 and one of the reasons why is not fun to play Overwatch anymore. Along side with other stun/knockback abilities of other heroes, Doomfist was the most problematic with his damage, Doomfist only need to see you to practically destroy you with one rockect punch even if you are a tank you can't do a shit againts him. Doomfist is fun to play, that is a fact but is not fun to play againts. In the moment he punch you and mostly probably kill you, He flee into the air like a fucking bird to escape to a safe zone. And even he has a shield for what ever reason...
it really sucks for people who spent hundreds of hours perfecting their skill on Doom just for Blizzard to completely brick the character in the sequel. Especially when your brand as a streamer revolves around that character,
Cuz he’s a free hero, watch they’re gonna add a $20 character named boomslap or something that is just literally ow1 doom kit with 3 sec for every cooldown
@@refertopfp9627 I was just making a joke but if I really think about it, probably yes eventually. Look at the success of Diablo immortal, I’d be more surprised if we don’t ever see any characters locked behind paywalls
His Slam doesn´t even work completely like a Winston Leap because Winston´s leap at least does boop enemies to the side a bit while Doomfist´s slam only deals damage. I´d hope they would give his slam some CC whatever it would be.
@@cute-fist8629 As far as I know it does 50HP damage. To be fair it always does the same amount of damage compared to Winston´s leap but why not add something else to it? If he´s supposed to be like Wrecking Ball who disrupts the enemy DF could use some more CC.
@@talentrippin3535 im a supp player AND i only play doom if im on dps q, he is(was?) just extremely fun to play as and to play against aswell. so do not hate all of us pwease :(
this is honestly so demotivating. Doomfist was by FAR the character i had the most fun with in OW 1. i never popped off like i did when playing him, and im sure many of us share the same sentiment. its such a fucking shame, man. who are we supposed to play now??? 😭😭😭
Already thinking about fully transitioning into a support player now ngl. I don't think I'll ever enjoy any other dps as much as i've enjoyed dps doom 😞
Played him in the beta, loved Tank Doom. Studied up on guides and techs, pulling it all off was a fulfilling experience. Genuinely a massive let down as they purposefully killed the hero I was most looking forward to in Overwatch 2. Excitement for the game just took a massive hit.
So while Mercy gets her tech turned into an actual ability, Genji has ledge dash removed and Doom has his entire arsenal of techs removed? Why are they gutting the most creative hero in the game?
Wow. That's very, very sad. The ONLY defense I had for tank Doomfist was his unique movement. You could still do so much with him even if old tech was gone. But now, you're right. He's just a Winston jump. This is a sad, sad change to see. Doomfist should either do a lot of damage (DPS) or have a ton of movement (tank), now he has neither. Thank you for ripping into them this video, I remember back when the beta came out people said streamers were hyping Overwatch 2 for no reason and would always support Blizzard. I remember some people saying tank doom was garbage and you were excited to show different tech's with him. Now it's all removed, bash Blizzard. Ridiculous.
@@SuperRainbowpoop I agree, personally i never played him much in OW1 cause i sucked at him but in the first OW2 beta he was still good and his large HP made mistakes more forgiving and i had a blast. In my opinion blizzard should remove all the nerfs on tankfist or move him back to dps.
well that seals it. i loved playing DF in OW1 and was apprehensive but OK with becoming a tank in OW2. OW2 beta was fine for me on DF but not amazing. Now i guess i'll just be a support main :/
They really managed to do something special by translating doom into a tank with enough depth. can't believe they tore down that accomplishment just like that...
Even with the tank techs i thought dps doomfist was just waaaay more fun. I hoped he at least keeps his same abilitys when he already will most likely do less damage.
@@FiniksLP apparently you don't know anything, the old Doom did less damage because your skills killed fast, without giving support time to heal and you were spamming damage without killing anyone
@@flaarezwow2693 If its broken then we wouldve seen every owl team running him but he was rarely ever played at the pro level. Hes a noob check. If you're bad you get rolled by him simple. 4+ years after release and we still have people like you whining bc you're bad at the game.
The lore was he could level a sky scraper...now he is Ticklefist. Doom was the most fun I've had in any game in years. While Tankfist can be fun, lacks the staying power of other tanks. Fix it Blizzard. Give us back upper cut and put force block as a double trigger action
The moment they removed slow from his slam I knew this was coming. They wont take their time to fix super punch bug (no stun) which already exists in OW1 but they have all the time to destroy one of the most high skill based characters which arent too many in OW.. lets go guys it takes 1 anna nade to switch ur hero now
Anti heal is just way too strong for a simple ability cd. That kind of stuff needs to be ultimate only stuff or atleast on a very long cd otherwise it will always destroy any tank without a shield. Same goes for zen orb.
This is what i was afraid of for the first time i saw doom rework. Simplyfing heroe's mechanics doesnt mean its getting better. When the skill celling drops, we face something, that happened to cass, brig, bap. Its straight up just boring.
Words cannot describe how much i despise blizzard for ruining this hero. genuinely the only hero in this game that clicked with me naturally and now he's shell of his former self. I get it he was never perfect or balanced in blizzard's vision but this was truly one of the most creative hero's I've played or seen in any multiplayer game tbh and it's shame that us doom mains will never feel that same happiness or dopamine rush that we got by playing dps doom.
I was hoping now that Goodman was gone Doom would finally be allowed to be viable… it’s crazy that Tank Doom has less techs AND CC than DPS Doom. What’s the point of moving him to tank when he has less CC than the DPS version? Turned the most fun/creative hero into a less useful Winston/Ball.
Ball has cool tech and has a high af skill ceiling. Even monkey has some techs, and has a pretty high skill ceiling esp during primal. The new doom looks like a sand bag that can jump, basically useless
@@nicoow2493 Yeah Ball and Monkey are heroes that I have a lot of playtime in so I was excited to exclusively run tank in OW2. I’m now less excited since there really doesn’t seem to be a reason to play Doom over those heroes as they are tankier, have comparable mobility and do more damage than he does.
@@TheWorldTurntle i might become a ball main , techs like rebund or wall jump look really cool . I really dont see how could doom be good in a frontline since he provide absolutely 0 shield for his teammates
i wonder about that too. What is the one thing that makes him a better choice over any of the other tanks in a situation? Is there any? Or just, ye i play him cause i like Doomfist even tho its useless.
@@nicoow2493 I actually have more playtime on Ball than I do Doom. Doom’s game sense translates really well with Ball and the understanding of map geometry that you get by playing Doom is a plus too
I think a really good change for doom would be an augment on his melee. Everyone was pissed when he had a normal melee after he came out and now that zen has his kick we know they are open to it, so maybe have it do like a little extra damage and give it like a slow or something
He was the ONE character I was excited for in Overwatch 2! I even got his golden weapon in time for it... Dude, this is such a spit in the face that I don't even want to play this game anymore, what with the problems Overwatch 2 is already suffering from. Screw this. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. You deserve better, GetQuakedOn.
Feels like they are taking doom out of the game without "taking doom out of the game" firsty by making him tank as an excuse to nerf his damage into the ground, but tank doom was still fun with his mobility even if it's less than dps doom. Then now take away what was left of his mobility, he's just dead. More people complain about doom than love him. which is a shame hes one of only a few truly fun heroes in this game. They don't want overwatch to be a tech game, they want to migrate it towards being like valorant where abilities don't matter as much.
I already felt like the initial version of tank doom was a step in the wrong direction, although I acknowledge that I'm probably also in the minority for thinking so. The changes might have given him more movement, but it also dramatically lowered the skill ceiling for the movement. Seismic doing same amount of damage was also something I felt eh about. It required game sense and/or technical skill to set up a good slam. It was also about being good in finding the balance on when to do a max slam vs just a quick one. Now it doesn't matter, you might as well just seismic from the front. You could try and do it from behind to surprise, but there's no reason to do it from the skies anymore. End of an era. Oh well...
the problem i see with most BIG games is that when they are just getting popular, they release super fun and unique heroes, such as doom, but as the years go by, and as the mains discover new advaced techs, they always try to push the champ down to the same level as other champs, not realizing that it's not the champ that's op, it's the dedicated community that knows how to play him.
When I played Doom during the first beta, the stair slam and turn slam techs were the funnest parts of him. Having that mobility to juke out your opponents and feeling very unique compared to other tanks. Now my fear of him just feeling like Winston is coming true. 😮💨 Also, just by watching this video. Doomfist now looks very clunky then before.
@@glorillafan You say that like Widow players aren’t already bitching in OW1 about good Ball players as they play their one shot one kill hero at the back of the map.
In the first beta with his slowdown he was an A tier character who gave consistent value. For the 2cnd beta with no cc he was a D tier character and already the worst tank with just this change alone. There was no reason to remove these techs now considering he was already a high skill low reward character, but not he’s just a definite f tier
There was nothing wrong with old doomfist it was just a bunch of people bitching and moaning about “ omg he can kill me with a move that takes a long time to charge and has a very loud audio que with hit box being the size of a semi truck”
The overwatch team is not just shooting themselves in the foot, they have just removed both their legs and are chopping up the severed legs into a million pieces
@@johnsonspark171 Mostly because of all the other bullshit they've come out with in the past month, but yes, removing everything that's fun about a hero does suck for the few people that actually like playing the character. Also, they nerfed DF's mobility quite hard in OW1, but he was still very fun to play. This iteration is now boring as fuck
@@johnsonspark171 Thats the issue, everything is ran as a business where making profit isn't the goal, instead the goal is to make as much money as humanly possible.
They just keep buffing the already op and tanky Orisa but nerf Doom who can't do that much damage or provide protection for his team. You can't even have fun with his in workshop modes. ;(
Reminds me of how they removed Bhop shatter. I guess tanks aren't allowed to have fun mobility mechanics. They need to function linearly by design and "buy oh more eeeeehh!!"
As a standard tank player that hated ow1 doom fist, I’m excited to learn this doom fist as I now don’t have to learn the Rock Paper Scissors tilt stair bunny hop slam into corner dragon punch ult combo and I can be good at just learning doom tank
While I don’t like Doomfist myself, this is very similar of how they killed Symmetra by basically making them not unique with their play styles anymore.
I don’t have any hope for ow2- the game is already getting trashed in reviews in progress by every reviewer so far. These devs keep snipers ultra mobile but Doom mobility gets gutted
I hate the new doomfist, he’s so boring and unfun. What is even the point of using his slam ability aside from getting shield health? He’s just a worse Hammond/Winston with the worst defensive tank ability in the game. I hate his guard ability so much, it has all the drawbacks that Sigma’s eat ability has with none of the benefits.
I hate new doom, he isnt brutal anymore, he just kisses enemys lightly and moves them 5 meters, he sucks ass, not fun, not good charecter. Ow2 is a disaster
I thought i was making drama by thinking they oversimplyfied the shit out of him. Made even a Montage i released today, where i wrote that shit @ the end. But now man... i wont support that shit company anymore like fr what drugs are companies smoking these days
I played tank Doom in the OW2 beta, Doom is just so fuckin trash. Not tanky, no damage, no skills, not fun, he's like a weaker version of Winston in OW2. Hope they bring his uppercut back at least, or just make him OW1 Doom with less damage lol
I was mostly ok with where they had doom in the last beta; I thought that his block needed some changes, but he felt good. I had hope for the full release, thinking that even if his block was mediocre at best, I'd still have fun with doom's newfound mobility. He was far from being a free win pick; his winrate reflected that. Nevertheless, blizzard seems to think doom must be relegated to the bottom of the pack, or else doom mains might have fun. God forbid.
@@thelabs7128 You mean the other 9 players in the lobby? We're talking OW2. I played doom for 99% of my beta matches, and not once did anyone say he was unfun to play against. What's ironic here is you're repeating the same tired copy/paste complaint from OW1, and on a doomfist main's YT channel no less. Either way, the response to your complaint remains the same: you could literally swap "Doom" from your comment with most of OW1's heroes and it would make the same amount of sense. It's easy to do because your post lacks substance.
@@TylerUSA First of all, the game isn't even out yet. I'm talking about how it's been for the past five years. And don't act like in the second half you weren't talking about dps doom as well. The way your comment is phrased it's implied you're lamenting how doom has been treated since launch. If you weren't, it doesn't make sense why he would get a single bad change and you think blizzard has it out for doom players. Doom has been shafted for years, and that's why you're making the "no fun for doom mains" point. You know why I'm talking about doom specifically. His entire kit is cc, he has 2.5 one shots, he's janky as fuck, etc. No other character gets the amount of hate doom does. The reason why it's ironic to lament dooms state is because it's entirely the character's own fault. A hero like doom should never be strong, a doom meta would kill the game in a week.
the only explanation i can think of is that it was actually an accident because they didn't know enough about the techs. imagine ur play testing doom, you look up to try to slam into the air, but instead you just zoom along the ground because you were on a slope. you might just think "slam sometimes doesn't work, that needs to be fixed" I really hope that they see how important the tech was and change it back. if they are worried about it feeling inconsistent to unfamiliar players, they should do something like they did to lucio wallride/mercy jump and just make a change to make the tech feel intentional on the players end. (like if you had to crouch to activate stair slam, or if it was a thing you could unlock in the hero's settings)
damn, i really enjoyed playing tank doom with his techs, but without this techs he is boring, i think i am goin to be dps main if they wont bring the techs back.
Hey quake it’s Sprixy, you’re so right about the skill ceiling issue. It just takes away the uniqueness of doom and that’s probably the biggest thing that draws people to the hero. It’s sad that after all this hype and seemingly no reason to change doom they killed him in 1 move
One thing I will say about OW2 Doom is that you have the new support who will literally teleport through walls to you when you’re feeding your brains out
If this is so newer players can play doom easier then that’s so stupid because nothing makes you wanna invest more time on a character than seeing a high skilled player use him. Doomtank doesn’t have that uniqueness anymore being a really slippery tank to kill. I was so looking forward to playing doom tank because I like brawl comps
What kills me most is that all the people who used to say Doom is braindead and an ez champ are going to see his OW2 iteration and think they were validated or correct in some way. RIP all the hours I put into trying to scratch the surface of depth this character used to have
Yiiiiiiikes... Only Blizzard would do this to Doomfist. "We want to keep his CC and combo potential, so we're making him a Tank." *Proceeds to remove Slow from Seismic Slam + reduce his Power Block damage reduction* "We nerfed Doomfist's CC so that he can remain highly mobile and not be extremely disruptive at the same time." *Proceeds to remove 90% of his mobility tech for no reason* Meanwhile they make two of Mercy's mobility techs part of her kit lmaoooo
1. "Agent" lol miss me with that Riot Games terminology, I understand people preferring Team Fortress 2 to OW but I see merits to both -- Valo I just see as an inferior CSGO. 2. you severely underestimate the community beyond the most surface-level casuals who dropped the game by 2017. you probably never played a fighting game beyond button-mashing but it takes a ton of effort (not years typically but more than a short time) to learn to use one character ("champ" as you'd probably call them) and not get washed against a competent player. Doomfist was made exactly to appeal to a fighting game player that wants to really dig deep into a character and leverage that knowledge to totally whoop ass in a 1-on-1 encounter with enough applied skill. He even had the friggin Shoryuken as an ability, now that's gone and he got a bootleg Winston jump instead. It wasn't just his mobility but his whole kit designed for DPS, they had to take away that fighting game-catered DPS identity to fit the tank role and they're not able to make it work for him.
@@NickTheChicken_ If you really think even just a little bit about what you just typed, you'll realize it sounds really stupid. Not only because digital art isn't just a string of code, it's as much art as brush on canvass, but literally everything digital is code. Like it really is a stupid thing to say
@@michaelpurdon7032 no shit it’s art, art is awesome. But their are 35 characters in this game, and having to pick a single skin when you like multiple hero’s sucks. Nothing in a video game should be worth $20 if it includes a single thing. Sure they come with emotes and highlight intros, but that’s still not enough.
i think it'd be neat if there were 2 different settings for doomfist to be played as tank or dps. like a tank and dps module he'd install on himself? idk anything but this
I was thinking about a "doomfist fan" who calls himself doomfist and made his own gauntlet, but since he doesn't know about marcial arts and doesn't have the resources Doomfist has, his RP is way weaker and lighter, and his gauntlet us less refined, making him less powerful but more resistant, or something like that
oh she did, and even one of highest, ice wall techs (target isolations, use for defense and mitigate damage), ult cancels, slow, ult and primary combo etc all dead, if that's not high then you are clueless 💀 and honestly doom had it better than her.. doom as a tank is kinda there shoved in tank role but he was never a tank, he was mostly designed to bully supports so just revert him to OW1
@@inm7879 you saying freezing people is a tech? walling is still a thing too, can't see how Mei was butchered from interesting mechanics in any shape or form
Let me ask you a question, in a actual game how important are these techs when youre supposed to be frontline character. Like after they made slam just do 50 damage always i feel like they killed the character there. Because his hole thing was getting the highest point to get a huge 125. Getting big slams was the whole reason why rollouts were a thing. Now its just useless.
With ow2 losing a tank, doom is easily the best tank to move the frontline to contest as fast as possible, then quickly retreat while his team catches up with lower mobility. Also, no, the whole point of these techs were never *entirely* about getting to a high place to 125-slam, they were also a way to conserve and manage your cooldowns to maximize your up-time while contributing to the team fight. Watch Zbra or anyone else that doesnt just play a rollout heavy style like GQO and you'll see.
Techs were mechanics which were fun to use and actually were useful. They added a whole new level of depth to the character instead of being a second winston. Atleast the techs emulated some of dps doom and allowed you to feel some satisfaction but this gameplay just looks depressing
I'm so sad about this. As a Tank Player whose favourite DPS used to be Doomfist, I *loved* the new Doom in the betas. I can do punch cancel tech well _enough,_ but I've always struggled to get much height except on easier rollouts, but the new slam tech just clicked with me and I loved it. I managed to learn to prety consistently pull off Stairslams into a BHop to extend it into a a turn slam, and it was so satisfying. Now... Well I guess I can still BHop normal slams to make them go like an inch further? it's not the same. T.T
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nerfing the heroes abilities and shit is one thing but killing his movement and techs? that's so wrong. this drops his skill ceiling by so much. so sad that doom is about to be a basic winston 2.0
edit: the blizz team knows about this stuff and i am providing my feedback on these changes. i know a lot of you doom players love him for his mobility and fluidity and i will do my best to express that to them
It's your fault!!!
@@KoKuTanLuFi why are you blaming him for this? Who ever said he had anything to do with this, from what quake said he was totally fine with these.
Doom in ow2 beta was literally the only thing I was excited about in ow2. This just killed it for me. Hopefully they see reason and revert the changes but god damn.
His movement literally doesn't even make him op, it just makes him more fun to use overall. Idk why they would ever remove that.
@@slevenhanton4004 blame the devs and the crybaby hitscan/support players for flooding their comments with complaints about a character that was already underwhelming outside of OWL coordination.
“We want to make doomfist a tank to keep his CC and mobility”
*removes CC*
“Doomfist was over performing with previous levels of CC, so we removed some of his CC to bring him in line with other tanks and maintain his mobility”
*removes his mobility*
Honestly, so fucking dumb. This had better be a bug because i refuse to believe anyone is still complaining abt df 2.0
HAHAHA thats so true omg
tbh he can travel and reposition over 100 meters in mere seconds. having more CC than he already does would make him completely busted
@@inm7879 first time for everything
Now he's not even a character.
Mercy movement tech: gets officially incorporated into her kit
Deoomfist movement tech:
Ong😭
Yeah they also destroyed mercy's skillsealing with removing superjump and just making it part of her official kit. And I dont get why they would want to decrease a heros skill sealing, that's just so wrong and upsetting!
@@laurenzwegler7141 and for mercy too. Mercy is the easiest hero in the entire roster. Now she is even easier.
@@laurenzwegler7141 i mean at least she can still do it the old way
@@ethanpitts1184 i think that mercy is one of the harder supports tbh
Old Doomfist: All of them have different skill and playstyle.
New Doomfist: All of them are winston.
with more inconsistent damage
ahahaha , nice. As far as I'm concerned, I can't put it into words how bad it feels to see Doomfist basically "removed" from the game. That pathetic .. thing he is now is a joke. I read another post about how he is basically Winston now, and that's exactly how he feels to me. My fav hero was ruined. Even without what he is talking about in this video.
Maybe I'll be Winston? I'm already Doomfist!
@@darraghmcmullen6205 ahahaha :D 🎵OVERWATCH: No Mercy - The Living Tombstone 🎵
🎶You should've picked mercy!🎶
bro now zen has more techs than doom 💀
zen has tech??
also zen have more damage with melee than doom's rocket punch
Even Mercy has techs 🤣 and now they've decided to include them as default abilities because the devs said something like "her super-jump tech is not a secret anymore so we want everybody to be able to use it" :D For sure, Doom techs were only secrets and dirty hacks (right? xD) that needed to be removed and the best way to do that was to change him to a tank hero. Poor Dambe fighter... His fist has never been so weak! lol
@@oktok8935 💀
@@ifyouhungrygirligotfiletsi474 canceling the animation of shooting with disc orb and shooting again without CD
All I played in the beta was doomtank. I put over 50 hours into him in the beta. The fact that they removed these tecs makes me very unhappy. All this change does is nerf him again. Why in the world do they keep nerfing him??????? It seems like who ever is running the balance changed now genuinely hates doom fist. I really hope you are able to use your voice as the head doom in this community to make some change. Good luck brother. Hopefully doom gets these tecs back again.
fr I was so excited af to be able to play him again, I am still excited but not as before it's really sad :((
seeing this absolutely crushed me as a doom player. I was so excited to play doom tank with the new skill ceiling and movement. I was angry that they removed the cc because the whole point of moving doom to tank was to keep his cc. They even nerfed his tanking abilities as well..... now this??? This is too far. This NEEDS to be reverted, this kills the hero in its entirety. Doom tank now isn't even close to doom dps. Whoever is behind the balancing is straight up trolling... they have to be.
@@doomed_to_fail now his movement is actually in line with dps doom THE PROBLEM IS that they yeeted his dmg so now you basically have dps doom movement with no dmg, the only thing he has now is some more hp/ a shitty block.
the old hero designer left and new one immediately makes this change… good start
I think i saw you on the forums. I'm here from there.
Doomfist in OW1 is the most unique FPS experience I’ve ever had. His skill set is so unique that it felt like mastering an art. I mean, who else can perform combos in an FPS game? The choice between using abilities offensively or for positioning with rollouts it’s always so exciting and his powerful melee style made the game feel so personal. Instead of shooting bullets, you felt like you were the bullet. Tank doom takes everything that I love about the hero away. I was so surprised about how many people said they liked this new doom for his movement, and so I had some hope, but now it looks like a pipe dream. I’ll never be able to perform the art of DPS doom again and there’s no equal anywhere. Tank doom was a big red flag for me to begin with, and it just keeps getting worse
exactly what i feel. his 3 abilities in OW1 just worked perfectly together whereas i feel that his ones in OW2 don’t offer the same value when used together. it’s an entirely new hero because what made doomfist doomfist was being able to get value out of learning the hero back to front and doing techs and now that that can’t be done the skill ceiling is now too low and the hero should literally be renamed at this point
@@cmbo9425 exactly! Every ability flowed so well after the other, it was free flow combat that was so flexible in the right hands
its so cringe to because this was just for 5v5... like we lost one of best dps characters in fps history so we can have 5v5 deathmatch to attract teens to play the game... fkn dumb af tbh. feels awful. they should make genji a sup next and make moira a fkn tank
100% agree, doom is dead now
That is because is the most retarded hero in OW1 and one of the reasons why is not fun to play Overwatch anymore. Along side with other stun/knockback abilities of other heroes, Doomfist was the most problematic with his damage, Doomfist only need to see you to practically destroy you with one rockect punch even if you are a tank you can't do a shit againts him. Doomfist is fun to play, that is a fact but is not fun to play againts. In the moment he punch you and mostly probably kill you, He flee into the air like a fucking bird to escape to a safe zone. And even he has a shield for what ever reason...
Please keep a loud voice to save doomfist, especially since you're a content creator. Love your content, I hope these changes don't go through.
doing my best on that
@@GetQuakedOn king
@@GetQuakedOn if you can start a petition you’d be able to get it rolling pretty quick, bring back dps doom 👊🏻
it really sucks for people who spent hundreds of hours perfecting their skill on Doom just for Blizzard to completely brick the character in the sequel. Especially when your brand as a streamer revolves around that character,
well that last thing is kind of an L on their part dont ya think. blizzard isnt responsible for this dudes livelyhood
@@Soapie710 Sorry for having fun.
@@Soapie710that's a L take
@@Soapie710 the corporate pandering yay!
@@Soapie710 damn how much did blizzard pay you to say this? can you introduce me to the guy who sent the offer, i'd like some money too
Teleport through walls, fade away, fly away = 😁👍
Be able to bhop and move fluidly = 😧
I don't see why they would do this man, rip doom
Cuz he’s a free hero, watch they’re gonna add a $20 character named boomslap or something that is just literally ow1 doom kit with 3 sec for every cooldown
One is under grindwall, the other is not. Ez explain.
@@gotmilk5899 Do you think characters are going to be locked behind a paywall or something?
@@refertopfp9627 I was just making a joke but if I really think about it, probably yes eventually. Look at the success of Diablo immortal, I’d be more surprised if we don’t ever see any characters locked behind paywalls
@@refertopfp9627 One already is
How long before blizz tries to sell us “Overwatch Classic”
That had me rolling
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@hayabuzon8219 CALLED IT
That's so sad. He was so weak by the end of the last beta and now he has and even lower skill ceiling, which you needed to make him viable.
I swear if they just buff him now and don't give him back his techs imma cry bruh
@@laurenzwegler7141 i guess this is what they will do with him, remove skill ceiling to be able to buff him on his base kit
@@TheDarkNinjaX9 I so hope they dont do that, I loved tank doom. Even more than the old doomfist. I was gonna main him...
His Slam doesn´t even work completely like a Winston Leap because Winston´s leap at least does boop enemies to the side a bit while Doomfist´s slam only deals damage. I´d hope they would give his slam some CC whatever it would be.
damage ? it does 25hp damage bruh
@@cute-fist8629 As far as I know it does 50HP damage. To be fair it always does the same amount of damage compared to Winston´s leap but why not add something else to it? If he´s supposed to be like Wrecking Ball who disrupts the enemy DF could use some more CC.
and winston leap has more aerial mobility I think, after youve jumped
they removed the cc from the slam there was a freeze sort of thing when he slammed amd like 25 dmg they removed the freeze hes fucked up man sad
I felt like the slow they added was fine, removing it doesn't make much sense to me
they really do hate this hero, blizzard really can't resist bowing down to the whiny hitscan mains
Whiny support mains too… I’m tbagging every single one on Reaper for massacring my boy
Waahh I can’t hit a Doomfist charging me from across the map. Wahhh he’s too fast I can’t hit him
I will forever hold a special grudge in my heart against support players from now on. they played major hand in neutering my boy
@@talentrippin3535 im a supp player AND i only play doom if im on dps q, he is(was?) just extremely fun to play as and to play against aswell. so do not hate all of us pwease :(
@@NosferatuZodd322 that literally doesn’t disregard what he just said
this is honestly so demotivating. Doomfist was by FAR the character i had the most fun with in OW 1. i never popped off like i did when playing him, and im sure many of us share the same sentiment. its such a fucking shame, man. who are we supposed to play now??? 😭😭😭
Already thinking about fully transitioning into a support player now ngl. I don't think I'll ever enjoy any other dps as much as i've enjoyed dps doom 😞
That’s what I’m saying, there’s no way we can get what we loved anymore
Any other champion
@@talentrippin3535 i was playing Lucio a lot anyways so that’s my way to go
Hone your aim on a hitscan its very fun
Hope you spoke to the devs about this as well, I don't play much doom but his techs are always fun to try out and learn.
Imagine balance team doing they job properly.
Damn that’s depressing doomfist is one of my mains and i was really looking forward too playing tank doom i hope if not on release they change him
Played him in the beta, loved Tank Doom. Studied up on guides and techs, pulling it all off was a fulfilling experience. Genuinely a massive let down as they purposefully killed the hero I was most looking forward to in Overwatch 2. Excitement for the game just took a massive hit.
i'm willing to bet they'll change it back, because i don't think anyone's happy with this change.
Felt so good to wait sliding on a roof and slam down onto a team, easy double solo kill
Blizzard fixed the hero at the cost of him not being fun to play anymore.
So while Mercy gets her tech turned into an actual ability, Genji has ledge dash removed and Doom has his entire arsenal of techs removed? Why are they gutting the most creative hero in the game?
Let's be honest ledge dash was op, but the changes are so unneeded and just suck the fun out of the character.
@@leonp.2171 ledge dash is op but super jump isn’t?
@@cardmossdn8058 lol, no. Mercy can't use super jump to get into your backline and kill the whole team.
They took Rein bhop shatter techs away too… they only bend the knee to support players because they complain more than any other role
@@TheWorldTurntle Blizzard is simping to the girl gamers
Wow. That's very, very sad. The ONLY defense I had for tank Doomfist was his unique movement. You could still do so much with him even if old tech was gone. But now, you're right. He's just a Winston jump. This is a sad, sad change to see. Doomfist should either do a lot of damage (DPS) or have a ton of movement (tank), now he has neither. Thank you for ripping into them this video, I remember back when the beta came out people said streamers were hyping Overwatch 2 for no reason and would always support Blizzard. I remember some people saying tank doom was garbage and you were excited to show different tech's with him. Now it's all removed, bash Blizzard. Ridiculous.
2 month ago : Doomfist isn't bad. YOU'RE BAD!
Now :
Quake was in his 5 stages of denial phase now he has finally accepted that tank doomfist is truly underwhelming
@@talentrippin3535 Nah Doom in the first beta was good but he just got worse and worse
@@SuperRainbowpoop I agree, personally i never played him much in OW1 cause i sucked at him but in the first OW2 beta he was still good and his large HP made mistakes more forgiving and i had a blast. In my opinion blizzard should remove all the nerfs on tankfist or move him back to dps.
I legit commented on that video and he fully flamed me lmao
Seeth/cope. Hero is dead.
@@ChanceBunn i just saw the comment thread and lmao
well that seals it. i loved playing DF in OW1 and was apprehensive but OK with becoming a tank in OW2. OW2 beta was fine for me on DF but not amazing. Now i guess i'll just be a support main :/
They really managed to do something special by translating doom into a tank with enough depth. can't believe they tore down that accomplishment just like that...
Even with the tank techs i thought dps doomfist was just waaaay more fun. I hoped he at least keeps his same abilitys when he already will most likely do less damage.
@@hanskraut2018 i still do the same damage as my dps as tank doomfist so hes pretty balanced and fine.
@@FiniksLP apparently you don't know anything, the old Doom did less damage because your skills killed fast, without giving support time to heal and you were spamming damage without killing anyone
@@FiniksLP burst damage vs dps, old doom was great for quick kills and getting out, and then you’d occasionally wipe 4 by yourself
This is genuinely so upsetting. One of the coolest FPS characters completely butchered.
good
@@roofoh2210support main spotted
@@lyeloh9251 dps
@@roofoh2210 with multiple thousands of hours and still the inability to reach diamond
@@roofoh2210 which hero?
Hand cannon does the most damage in his whole kit. Sad
Damn I'm gonna miss DPS DF...
fk no shit was broken asf glad he is getting removed, and put into tank role
I'm not 🤣🤣
@@smickeyYT Mad you cant abuse him in ranked anymore? ;)
@@flaarezwow2693 If its broken then we wouldve seen every owl team running him but he was rarely ever played at the pro level. Hes a noob check. If you're bad you get rolled by him simple. 4+ years after release and we still have people like you whining bc you're bad at the game.
@@flaarezwow2693 found the gold player
The lore was he could level a sky scraper...now he is Ticklefist. Doom was the most fun I've had in any game in years. While Tankfist can be fun, lacks the staying power of other tanks. Fix it Blizzard. Give us back upper cut and put force block as a double trigger action
yeah hes barely a tank or a dps now it's sad to see such a fun character turned into trash
Repitition is the path to mastery
~Zenyatta
block feels so counter productive for his kit
The moment they removed slow from his slam I knew this was coming. They wont take their time to fix super punch bug (no stun) which already exists in OW1 but they have all the time to destroy one of the most high skill based characters which arent too many in OW.. lets go guys it takes 1 anna nade to switch ur hero now
Anti heal is just way too strong for a simple ability cd. That kind of stuff needs to be ultimate only stuff or atleast on a very long cd otherwise it will always destroy any tank without a shield. Same goes for zen orb.
“Look how they massacred my boy”
It breaks my heart to see such an interesting and complex character killed like this
This is what i was afraid of for the first time i saw doom rework. Simplyfing heroe's mechanics doesnt mean its getting better. When the skill celling drops, we face something, that happened to cass, brig, bap. Its straight up just boring.
Dont even compare doom to those 3 heroes, cass was op before, same with brig, almost same with bap, so I dont see your correlation here
Doomfist nerf was shit tho
Words cannot describe how much i despise blizzard for ruining this hero. genuinely the only hero in this game that clicked with me naturally and now he's shell of his former self. I get it he was never perfect or balanced in blizzard's vision but this was truly one of the most creative hero's I've played or seen in any multiplayer game tbh and it's shame that us doom mains will never feel that same happiness or dopamine rush that we got by playing dps doom.
L bozo learn something else
@@lordkuma_1525 Lmao i already main Baptiste bozo 🤭🤡
They managed to create an enjoyable melee hero in a FPS game like overwatch, just to destroy him like that
I was hoping now that Goodman was gone Doom would finally be allowed to be viable… it’s crazy that Tank Doom has less techs AND CC than DPS Doom. What’s the point of moving him to tank when he has less CC than the DPS version? Turned the most fun/creative hero into a less useful Winston/Ball.
Ball has cool tech and has a high af skill ceiling. Even monkey has some techs, and has a pretty high skill ceiling esp during primal. The new doom looks like a sand bag that can jump, basically useless
@@nicoow2493 Yeah Ball and Monkey are heroes that I have a lot of playtime in so I was excited to exclusively run tank in OW2. I’m now less excited since there really doesn’t seem to be a reason to play Doom over those heroes as they are tankier, have comparable mobility and do more damage than he does.
@@TheWorldTurntle i might become a ball main , techs like rebund or wall jump look really cool . I really dont see how could doom be good in a frontline since he provide absolutely 0 shield for his teammates
i wonder about that too. What is the one thing that makes him a better choice over any of the other tanks in a situation? Is there any? Or just, ye i play him cause i like Doomfist even tho its useless.
@@nicoow2493 I actually have more playtime on Ball than I do Doom. Doom’s game sense translates really well with Ball and the understanding of map geometry that you get by playing Doom is a plus too
I think a really good change for doom would be an augment on his melee. Everyone was pissed when he had a normal melee after he came out and now that zen has his kick we know they are open to it, so maybe have it do like a little extra damage and give it like a slow or something
Bro they want to be a mainstream so bad that they’re taking away all the unique and fun abilities that made this game fun in the first place😔
Like how are the shitty ass toothpicks that he shoots his best weapon now?
He was the ONE character I was excited for in Overwatch 2! I even got his golden weapon in time for it...
Dude, this is such a spit in the face that I don't even want to play this game anymore, what with the problems Overwatch 2 is already suffering from.
Screw this. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. You deserve better, GetQuakedOn.
My god fitzy loses a hair on his head each time he hacks someone rofl
this honestly just makes me sad
Blizzard destroying the reason people play their heroes for the sequel? They definately have never done this before..
Can we do anything to save doom's mobility? Is there any possible way to influence developers make them change it back?
What a bummer. I hope it’s not true. I would love to see this change for the full release
Feels like they are taking doom out of the game without "taking doom out of the game" firsty by making him tank as an excuse to nerf his damage into the ground, but tank doom was still fun with his mobility even if it's less than dps doom. Then now take away what was left of his mobility, he's just dead. More people complain about doom than love him. which is a shame hes one of only a few truly fun heroes in this game. They don't want overwatch to be a tech game, they want to migrate it towards being like valorant where abilities don't matter as much.
The fact that quaked is saying these things means they messed up badly.
I already felt like the initial version of tank doom was a step in the wrong direction, although I acknowledge that I'm probably also in the minority for thinking so. The changes might have given him more movement, but it also dramatically lowered the skill ceiling for the movement. Seismic doing same amount of damage was also something I felt eh about. It required game sense and/or technical skill to set up a good slam. It was also about being good in finding the balance on when to do a max slam vs just a quick one. Now it doesn't matter, you might as well just seismic from the front. You could try and do it from behind to surprise, but there's no reason to do it from the skies anymore.
End of an era. Oh well...
the problem i see with most BIG games is that when they are just getting popular, they release super fun and unique heroes, such as doom, but as the years go by, and as the mains discover new advaced techs, they always try to push the champ down to the same level as other champs, not realizing that it's not the champ that's op, it's the dedicated community that knows how to play him.
When I played Doom during the first beta, the stair slam and turn slam techs were the funnest parts of him. Having that mobility to juke out your opponents and feeling very unique compared to other tanks. Now my fear of him just feeling like Winston is coming true. 😮💨
Also, just by watching this video. Doomfist now looks very clunky then before.
". . . I'm here to talk about Doom Fist and how they killed the hero"
Mate, you're about 3 years too late
did they nerf anything on ball? they ain't let no ball players in this, if they nerf ball movement too i might quit ong
There’s not really any movement nerf you can do on ball without making him sh1t so I doubt they would
@@comedial6829 💀 but that's exactly what they did to doom. Just wait until ranked starts and hitscans start whining about good ball players
@@glorillafan You say that like Widow players aren’t already bitching in OW1 about good Ball players as they play their one shot one kill hero at the back of the map.
I hope the rest of the community is happy I’m just curious if he’s been nerfed enough to stop all the crying from them
In the first beta with his slowdown he was an A tier character who gave consistent value. For the 2cnd beta with no cc he was a D tier character and already the worst tank with just this change alone. There was no reason to remove these techs now considering he was already a high skill low reward character, but not he’s just a definite f tier
There was nothing wrong with old doomfist it was just a bunch of people bitching and moaning about “ omg he can kill me with a move that takes a long time to charge and has a very loud audio que with hit box being the size of a semi truck”
The overwatch team is not just shooting themselves in the foot, they have just removed both their legs and are chopping up the severed legs into a million pieces
why? Because they removed glitches for one hero? LOL. Play something else then.
@@johnsonspark171 Mostly because of all the other bullshit they've come out with in the past month, but yes, removing everything that's fun about a hero does suck for the few people that actually like playing the character. Also, they nerfed DF's mobility quite hard in OW1, but he was still very fun to play. This iteration is now boring as fuck
Incase you didn't notice, the changes are all there to cater to DPS mains like widows, hanzos and mcrees.
@@deezboyeed6764 DPS players make up literally 65% of the player base. It's smart business
@@johnsonspark171 Thats the issue, everything is ran as a business where making profit isn't the goal, instead the goal is to make as much money as humanly possible.
They're trying REALLY HARD to kill their game.
So basically we have a few days to play doomfist in OW1 in our own, unique different styles before we all copy/pasta tanks.
Dang this Winston skin is different
They just keep buffing the already op and tanky Orisa but nerf Doom who can't do that much damage or provide protection for his team. You can't even have fun with his in workshop modes. ;(
Reminds me of how they removed Bhop shatter. I guess tanks aren't allowed to have fun mobility mechanics. They need to function linearly by design and "buy oh more eeeeehh!!"
As a standard tank player that hated ow1 doom fist, I’m excited to learn this doom fist as I now don’t have to learn the Rock Paper Scissors tilt stair bunny hop slam into corner dragon punch ult combo and I can be good at just learning doom tank
same
This is a fucking true ass take thank you
While I don’t like Doomfist myself, this is very similar of how they killed Symmetra by basically making them not unique with their play styles anymore.
Is there anything we could do to get it back. I know they suck at communication, but there’s got to be some kind of uproar we can make
If we say they nerfed him because of his racial ethnicity they’ll have to obey 😈
@@miniontoe2 lmao imagine if that actually works
@@shortfuse9443 These gaming companies are all fake "Woke" so i can actually see this working out
''I wasnt playing doom at all in the beta'' Junkrat mains: first time?
Zens new kick is stronger than dooms giant punch LOL nice meme blizz
I don’t have any hope for ow2- the game is already getting trashed in reviews in progress by every reviewer so far. These devs keep snipers ultra mobile but Doom mobility gets gutted
On one hand he has left movement. On the other, I won't die to stair slam near a pit
I hate the new doomfist, he’s so boring and unfun. What is even the point of using his slam ability aside from getting shield health? He’s just a worse Hammond/Winston with the worst defensive tank ability in the game. I hate his guard ability so much, it has all the drawbacks that Sigma’s eat ability has with none of the benefits.
I hate new doom, he isnt brutal anymore, he just kisses enemys lightly and moves them 5 meters, he sucks ass, not fun, not good charecter. Ow2 is a disaster
Blizzard does NOT know what doom players want.
I thought i was making drama by thinking they oversimplyfied the shit out of him. Made even a Montage i released today, where i wrote that shit @ the end. But now man... i wont support that shit company anymore like fr what drugs are companies smoking these days
Really blizzard, finally removing bugs from doomfist and it's the ones that make him fun.
You have my full support. Is there any way that we let the devs know? Any forum posts?
I wish they would give doomfist back his old kit, nerf his damage, buff his health, and then put block on the interact key.
Told you guys just wait it out tank doom is gonna be ass
I played tank Doom in the OW2 beta, Doom is just so fuckin trash. Not tanky, no damage, no skills, not fun, he's like a weaker version of Winston in OW2. Hope they bring his uppercut back at least, or just make him OW1 Doom with less damage lol
I was mostly ok with where they had doom in the last beta; I thought that his block needed some changes, but he felt good. I had hope for the full release, thinking that even if his block was mediocre at best, I'd still have fun with doom's newfound mobility. He was far from being a free win pick; his winrate reflected that. Nevertheless, blizzard seems to think doom must be relegated to the bottom of the pack, or else doom mains might have fun. God forbid.
Doom mains complaining about not having fun is ironic as hell because your character makes the game unfun for the other 11 players in the lobby
@@thelabs7128 just go cree??
@@thelabs7128 You mean the other 9 players in the lobby? We're talking OW2. I played doom for 99% of my beta matches, and not once did anyone say he was unfun to play against. What's ironic here is you're repeating the same tired copy/paste complaint from OW1, and on a doomfist main's YT channel no less.
Either way, the response to your complaint remains the same: you could literally swap "Doom" from your comment with most of OW1's heroes and it would make the same amount of sense. It's easy to do because your post lacks substance.
@@yep9620 just play a different shitty and unfun character to counter the first shitty and unfun character. What a brilliantly balanced game.
@@TylerUSA First of all, the game isn't even out yet. I'm talking about how it's been for the past five years. And don't act like in the second half you weren't talking about dps doom as well. The way your comment is phrased it's implied you're lamenting how doom has been treated since launch. If you weren't, it doesn't make sense why he would get a single bad change and you think blizzard has it out for doom players. Doom has been shafted for years, and that's why you're making the "no fun for doom mains" point.
You know why I'm talking about doom specifically. His entire kit is cc, he has 2.5 one shots, he's janky as fuck, etc. No other character gets the amount of hate doom does. The reason why it's ironic to lament dooms state is because it's entirely the character's own fault. A hero like doom should never be strong, a doom meta would kill the game in a week.
the only explanation i can think of is that it was actually an accident because they didn't know enough about the techs. imagine ur play testing doom, you look up to try to slam into the air, but instead you just zoom along the ground because you were on a slope. you might just think "slam sometimes doesn't work, that needs to be fixed"
I really hope that they see how important the tech was and change it back. if they are worried about it feeling inconsistent to unfamiliar players, they should do something like they did to lucio wallride/mercy jump and just make a change to make the tech feel intentional on the players end. (like if you had to crouch to activate stair slam, or if it was a thing you could unlock in the hero's settings)
damn, i really enjoyed playing tank doom with his techs, but without this techs he is boring, i think i am goin to be dps main if they wont bring the techs back.
Hey quake it’s Sprixy, you’re so right about the skill ceiling issue. It just takes away the uniqueness of doom and that’s probably the biggest thing that draws people to the hero. It’s sad that after all this hype and seemingly no reason to change doom they killed him in 1 move
dps doom > tank doom
4:35 "Wait for it..." That killed me xD
Just like Doom techs got killed
Fuck my life man I was looking forward to playing doom in ow2 🙄🙄
One thing I will say about OW2 Doom is that you have the new support who will literally teleport through walls to you when you’re feeding your brains out
Just make him a dps again
If this is so newer players can play doom easier then that’s so stupid because nothing makes you wanna invest more time on a character than seeing a high skilled player use him. Doomtank doesn’t have that uniqueness anymore being a really slippery tank to kill. I was so looking forward to playing doom tank because I like brawl comps
What kills me most is that all the people who used to say Doom is braindead and an ez champ are going to see his OW2 iteration and think they were validated or correct in some way. RIP all the hours I put into trying to scratch the surface of depth this character used to have
Yiiiiiiikes...
Only Blizzard would do this to Doomfist.
"We want to keep his CC and combo potential, so we're making him a Tank."
*Proceeds to remove Slow from Seismic Slam + reduce his Power Block damage reduction*
"We nerfed Doomfist's CC so that he can remain highly mobile and not be extremely disruptive at the same time."
*Proceeds to remove 90% of his mobility tech for no reason*
Meanwhile they make two of Mercy's mobility techs part of her kit lmaoooo
To anyone who's confused on why they did it:
1. His Mobility was too extreme.
2. Most people don't want to study an Agent for years to be effective.
1. "Agent" lol miss me with that Riot Games terminology, I understand people preferring Team Fortress 2 to OW but I see merits to both -- Valo I just see as an inferior CSGO.
2. you severely underestimate the community beyond the most surface-level casuals who dropped the game by 2017. you probably never played a fighting game beyond button-mashing but it takes a ton of effort (not years typically but more than a short time) to learn to use one character ("champ" as you'd probably call them) and not get washed against a competent player. Doomfist was made exactly to appeal to a fighting game player that wants to really dig deep into a character and leverage that knowledge to totally whoop ass in a 1-on-1 encounter with enough applied skill. He even had the friggin Shoryuken as an ability, now that's gone and he got a bootleg Winston jump instead. It wasn't just his mobility but his whole kit designed for DPS, they had to take away that fighting game-catered DPS identity to fit the tank role and they're not able to make it work for him.
$20 skins and they remove over half of dooms mobility, two things already ruined
Only $20? Sick I was expecting more considering how good they are compared to the other games
@@michaelpurdon7032 if you think $20 is a good price for a string of code I don’t know what to say
@@NickTheChicken_ If you really think even just a little bit about what you just typed, you'll realize it sounds really stupid. Not only because digital art isn't just a string of code, it's as much art as brush on canvass, but literally everything digital is code.
Like it really is a stupid thing to say
@@michaelpurdon7032 no shit it’s art, art is awesome. But their are 35 characters in this game, and having to pick a single skin when you like multiple hero’s sucks. Nothing in a video game should be worth $20 if it includes a single thing. Sure they come with emotes and highlight intros, but that’s still not enough.
Coolest hero in the game is now gonna be one of the least fun to play.
i think it'd be neat if there were 2 different settings for doomfist to be played as tank or dps. like a tank and dps module he'd install on himself? idk anything but this
I was thinking about a "doomfist fan" who calls himself doomfist and made his own gauntlet, but since he doesn't know about marcial arts and doesn't have the resources Doomfist has, his RP is way weaker and lighter, and his gauntlet us less refined, making him less powerful but more resistant, or something like that
when doom mains experience how mei mains feel in OW2
difference being mei never had an insane skill ceiling
oh she did, and even one of highest, ice wall techs (target isolations, use for defense and mitigate damage), ult cancels, slow, ult and primary combo etc all dead, if that's not high then you are clueless 💀 and honestly doom had it better than her..
doom as a tank is kinda there shoved in tank role but he was never a tank, he was mostly designed to bully supports so just revert him to OW1
@@inm7879 you saying freezing people is a tech? walling is still a thing too, can't see how Mei was butchered from interesting mechanics in any shape or form
Never underestimate blizzard's ability to screw you
So basically another reason to drop ow2 completely. Thanks blizzard very ccol
I genuinely enjoy tank doom but what they did to the character is tragic. He was such a unique character and I loved watching doom players enjoy him.
ah, cheers, feel super excited to play now
Nobody asked Cas
@@shortfuse9443 it was a sarcastic statement
Doomfist being a tank does not seem right to me.
Let me ask you a question, in a actual game how important are these techs when youre supposed to be frontline character. Like after they made slam just do 50 damage always i feel like they killed the character there. Because his hole thing was getting the highest point to get a huge 125. Getting big slams was the whole reason why rollouts were a thing. Now its just useless.
With ow2 losing a tank, doom is easily the best tank to move the frontline to contest as fast as possible, then quickly retreat while his team catches up with lower mobility. Also, no, the whole point of these techs were never *entirely* about getting to a high place to 125-slam, they were also a way to conserve and manage your cooldowns to maximize your up-time while contributing to the team fight. Watch Zbra or anyone else that doesnt just play a rollout heavy style like GQO and you'll see.
Techs were mechanics which were fun to use and actually were useful. They added a whole new level of depth to the character instead of being a second winston. Atleast the techs emulated some of dps doom and allowed you to feel some satisfaction but this gameplay just looks depressing
Tank Doom isn't a frontline tank, he's an opportunist and environmentalist type of character.
Pretty useful honestly.
I'm so sad about this.
As a Tank Player whose favourite DPS used to be Doomfist, I *loved* the new Doom in the betas.
I can do punch cancel tech well _enough,_ but I've always struggled to get much height except on easier rollouts, but the new slam tech just clicked with me and I loved it.
I managed to learn to prety consistently pull off Stairslams into a BHop to extend it into a a turn slam, and it was so satisfying.
Now... Well I guess I can still BHop normal slams to make them go like an inch further?
it's not the same. T.T
yeah this kinda just guaranteed that im gonna main support