Been waiting for the 3.0r comparison forever. Glad it finally happened. Bout what I expected. My daily is nearly identical to this, I can't get enough of the exhaust sound.
Its not exactly representative tho. Since its Type S Euro Accord then it should be 3.0R Spec B and specificly late/facelift model. It also has multifunction steering wheel, better handling because it benefits from Sti derived suspension and bilstein dampers. EUDM market only ever got 6MT on Spec B alone.
I had a spec B with the bilsteins lowered on sti pink springs and an sti front strut bar. Springs and bar were $500 shipped second hand and it was honestly a rocket on rails after that.
@@paul--b This is my legacy, and it was running on some half worn nangkang tyres (Which is a questionable sounding brand), Im thinking a bit more low and better tyres could "fix" the handling
Hello there Liam, I drive a 97 Honda Accord Wagon MT and I have a question for you because i am having a hard time choosing between a Subaru Outback 2.5 vs Accord CL7/9 Wagon as a new safer child-carrier addition to my old daily. I would love to own a Subee for the off-roadability but while driving a Subee Forester i have noticed the same gearbox/ heavy clutch issue that you mentioned here and i am confused about my choice. Are all Subarus so clutch heavy? I am also considering buying a AT or just buy a Honda and fit it with a 1.5-2 inch lift kit for better ground clearance. What’s your opinion on that? Thanks and keep them coming!
Not all that I've driven have been clutch heavy, however they are not easy cars to drive. They just generally feel quite lurchy and nasty at low speed in particular. Not great for traffic. The Accord will be a much better road car, subie good for offroading obviously but it depends how much offroading you actually want to do.
I got a Legacy 3.0R SpecB, they certainly get under your skin - also for some odd reason I too had a Honda Accord K24 before this Subaru, and a Merc CL55 AMG if that matters but the Subaru is just simply outstanding - handling, performance and that gearbox just rifles through gear changes, also its old school with mechanical AWD and 50:50 bias, none of this fancy electronic rubbish on modern cars which take away all the aspects of getting involved with the car itself. The steering like the Honda is hydraulic which is another big plus, almost every car now has electric PS. its very much a drivers orientated car and I never have the radio on - I prefer the engine note. th-cam.com/video/gO-3xaWJ5qQ/w-d-xo.html
Definitely agree about the engine note and the mechanical feeling of the car. And the gearbox ratios are simply fantastic and really make it an enjoyable car to drive. However in this particular one I thought the steering was very numb, the handling not very confidence inspiring (always wanted to understeer much before I expected it to) and the gearbox feel wasn't very nice... But I'm sure all of these faults I discovered are fixable and in that case it would be outstanding! The engine is a masterpiece
@@KiwiCarLife I took some corners in my car at speeds I had no right to - I would have the one you drove looked at, mine had Bilstein suspension of course and I had uprated bushes so that probably helped. Hope all is well in NZ
@@toffeepie1878 all about that throttle control on the corners you can really play with it when you get used to it also momentum shift in the car under control and you really do go around corners like your on rains
Definitely an interesting review, love the content dude! Bit confused by the Legacy's handling woes. The 3.0r i've got is the manual spec b variant with the bilstein b6's running on the oem bridgestones. Not sure if this corresponds with your example... Mine certainly doesn't struggle for grip unless I'm really hammering the throttle on the corners, but you are correct in that it's understeer city. Had the back kick out a few times from a stop in the wet, but usually it's just very predictable understeer. One thing I'd note is that the mod support for the 3.0r is very limited unless you do a lot of custom work, still though, could never stop loving the sound enough to move back to a 4 cylinder.
Also maybe clutch needs a bleed good clean fluid makes a difference, gearbox also should have good fluid, I use Motul some swear by redline cocktail, I have an H6 Blitzen AVCS wagon, def doesn’t suffer grip, I’ve kept up with sport hatch’s no problems on some of NZs nasty windy roads even when my brakes were getting bit hot, eg Arthurs pass west coast side on the big downhill will test any car handling and brakes, that got a bit hairy, but was still on the tail of a hatch turbo much much later model car than mine. Just saying sounds like something a bit off with that car, I’d be checking bushes, the stock Subaru sway bars imo are way too small on the Subarus in general, some Whiteline or EiBach make a huge difference. depends what you want though comfort or stability. Stock Subarus tend to be on the comfort side and the Legacy aimed at that even more. Interesting comparison though.
A set of headers absolutely transforms them. Factory headers are rubbish and almost always end up tripping the knock sensor meaning the cars ECU pulls a bunch of timing out, turning them into a 120kw slug. Aftermarket headers fix this issue, and sound way better as a bonus. Handling wise, try and drive an AWD like a FWD, and you'll get exactly the behaviour you see in this comparison. In AWD, Brake late, go in wide to create a late apex and sharp turn-in. Gas on hard immediately after turn-in and let all four wheels pull and push you out of the corner. When done properly this is rather satisfying and eliminates much of the understeer woes people complain about with AWD cars. Legacies in particular respond well to good rubber, stiffer endlinks and upgraded swaybars
Loved the video mate. I live in Christchurch and have a 6spd 3.0. My colleague has a euro r and we both work night shifts so naturally we took turns taking each others car out for a spin when it was quiet. Both are definitely fun cars to drive.
Watched this a year ago before buying my 3.0r spec b. The understeer on snow and ice especially was hopelessly bad until i swapped in brand new struts from Bilstein. It was like a completely different car then. Great video on 2 very good cars.
Interesting you say that... This one I filmed with had no Bilsteins and it didn't handle very well, but he later replaced it with a facelift one with Bilsteins, and it was so much better
@@KiwiCarLife Shifter feel can be dramaticly improved with STI factory Short throw kit for all 6speed linkage subarus and it should feel as good as Honda too. Subaru just went with more cushy feeling one because...luxury i guess. All of the issues can be modded away in these tbh, then they become perfect. Even weight, since 18" rims especially facelift ones are quite extremely heavy. Dropping it down a size and getting and buffing up the sidewall profile to 50(keeps the radius the same as 18" on 45 profile)will drop the weight quite well and it will be all in unsprung mass, then exhaust modding can drop it further so it even can cross the 1500kg line even in wagon version. it also can fit 225/50 too so wider and even taller tyre for comfort and it will grip better.
Like the vlog bro I just want to add I have a 2008 subaru legacy well in Australia its a liberty im sure yous know anyway my point is I thrash the hell out of it its same as the one on this except 2008 it's got the 6 cylinder 6speed and all wheel drive and I push it to its limits every single day and ive never had that under steering problem nor have I had lift off over steer so I think its just that car maybe cheap Tyers im running pilot sports s Michelin's stock suspension and my car sticks to the road like a go cart sometimes I try even hard the next time to get it to not grip and I havnt been able to so I was so surprised to that car doing that
Yea mate I have a 2005 liberty 3.0R spec b 6 speed manuel with re003 tyres and it grips like insanity good around corners. I think it is also due the the bilstein suspension the spec b, as it sits lower that the one in the 3.0R
Nice video. I had a cl9 accord before my 3.0 spec b legacy. The accord was superb and handled so well. Although I wouldn't say the legacy was far behind it. The legacy always felt so planted wherever it went.
Great video bro. I agree 2.4 accord is very smooth and refined even more with the tune, my type s handling is unbelievable too on the back roads. It would be interesting to see how the Accord does against the legacy once you've done the rest of your mods. There's some 0-60mph times of the Accord(CAI, 4-2-1 header etc) on TH-cam, it was around 6.5 secs. Which is quite impressive. Can't wait for the next vid! Always look forward to them
Mate, try and drive a SpecB with decent tyres if you can. It won't feel like the same car. That old thing probably had worn shift linkage bushes too. The STi box is anything but a bucket of bolts. The clutch feel is weird because it's a pull-type clutch, like a GT-R. I know you're probably being nice because it's someone else's car, but you can safely launch at much higher than 3k 😉
Yes, however when you only have 20 mins with a car, it's hard to get used to it. So I just drove it how I drive my Accord and it wasn't the best. But I can agree with more time to get used to how an AWD car handles it would probably be quite good.
Since I wrote that comment a year ago, I recently bought this Subaru (Liberty in Aus) and I find the engine lacking a bit of low end torque too. It must be a Japanese thing or I just have high expectations. It sounds amazing with an exhaust though.
Not too much difference between the various accord specs in terms of power, but for the Subaru there is a ton. The base model Accord makes 140kW and the base liberty makes 120kW
Nice review man I used to own a Subaru 3.0r and kind of disagree with the handling part. That put where you said the legacy can’t do that. mine would have done as good. But both really good cars
@@KiwiCarLife have to agree with sam, I think it comes down to experience when driving subarus, they do take some time to master when it comes to corners. its about knowing when to put the power on to help them stick, too early and yes the understeer is horrid. I know I can feed mine around 35km sharp bends at 80 comfortably and thats on eco cheap tyres too.
@@MrTakeaswig yeah it's been a while since and I've had the opportunity to drive a lot of cars since, and yes I'm used to Hondas where you just chuck em in and they go round... Subies you gotta be slow in, fast oit
@@KiwiCarLife I understand where you're coming from, however how would you compare an F1 with a daily driver comparison? Hundreds of cars a couple of minutes at a time? Do you think you're the only one on the internet who drives cars? *Slow clap
@@HellSolo hahah have a laugh mate. In all seriousness I've actually changed my mind on the 3.0R. the one I drove in the vid was a bit rooted but I got to have a good drive in a tidy facelift manual one soon after and it was amazing
@@KiwiCarLife CAI is a difficult subject to be honest...I would recommend some research on it. I have a reflash and a custom catback on mine and the difference is noticeable, I did not do a 0-100test but it's sure not 7.9 as you got from it, that is stock timing... something is not right there. I would advise you to swap in new spark plugs, filters and that. I do recommend headers, I will also add them soon.
@@KiwiCarLife also, mind your rubber, if you have old tires... get some good premium sticky tires to grip well. I got Michelin PS4 on mine, they are worth it.
@@alexc5022 I've got brand new RE003's on mine - CAI still to come later this year. Not gonna do headers as it makes the exhaust sound raspy. But yeah tbh I have been a little disappointed with the performance. I'd at least hope with a tune, catback and CAI I'd get a noticeable increase in power but tbh I have barely noticed much of a difference. Not to mention the rev hang and long gears... I do still really enjoy driving it though. Hopefully the injen CAI I'm getting really livens the car up
Can agree with you on the legacy. Understeer is atrocious in stock form. 17” forged sti’s, semi slicks, coil overs, nylon front bushings and strut bar transform this car so much.
@@quintonulm2435 yeah I know, first gen tsx got just the k24a2, 2nd gen tsx got j35 and k24. Were saying it would be cool if the first gen got the j30 out of the 7th gen usdm accord v6 (the weird looking one)
Was really surprised to see you had to take 3rd gear to get to 100 kmh in the Subaru. The handling of the Subaru made me think the shockers are stuffed and tires crappy.
Considering an AT legacy with si-drive and similar mileage now. Will the difference between automatic VTD against the manual viscous make the handling and turning better? Anyway rather informative video!
If you get a pre face-lift automatic the transmission is quite sloppy, previous owner of this manual one had an auto and it was very unresponsive. On the other hand, the facelift legacies with autos rev match downshifts and aren't as bad
@@KiwiCarLife the Euro R transmission will bolt onto the K24 and will give you the shorter gear ratios you’re looking for. Only problem is that 6th gear will also be shorter so cruising RPMs on the highway will be higher. To solve that, you can swap the 6th gear from the CL9 to the CL7 gear box. None of this is cheap to do unfortunately. 😅
@@KiwiCarLife a cheaper solution would be to find a used RSX Type S gear box and swap gears 2-5 to obtain the more aggressive gearing. Since the tranny will be open, might as well throw in a LSD. Btw, here’s a great reference for all of the K Series gear ratios. Not sure what’s available in your neck of the woods. www.hybrid-racing.com/blogs/hybrid-racing/k-series-transmission-guide
I actually own a Subaru Liberty (Legacy) 3.0 spec b and it definitely takes off well plus the handling is awesome but it’s probably due to coil overs.... the only complaint I really have is the auto trans can limit torque on steep inclines oh and the fuel usage is really bad I average about 12L/100kms
Good review. Having owned a 3.0r Spec B wagon with the manual box and currently owning a CL9, I prefer the CL9 for daily duties. The Accord has a nicer driver space and it’s slightly larger. Honda just gets the driver controls right. The 3.0R has terrible throttle pedal tuning, and the fuel economy is rubbish and must take 98 (they ping on 95 even). The legacy’s shifter can be vague and somewhat floppy once the shifter bushings wear out, replacing the bushings makes a massive difference. A rear sway bar and whiteline ALK is transformative to most Subarus- it really improves the turn in and feel, the factory bushings have a lot of compliance built in to them. Subaru tends to set their cars (including the sti) up for understeer out of the box for safety. The 3.0 just uses too much fuel for what it’s doing, although it’s quite linear and smooth. A legacy with the twinscroll engine and a tune is a far better car, better fuel economy around town and more potential.
@@KiwiCarLife I’ve just been watching a few of your videos, you work for Honda? What’s your opinion on the GK fit hybrid (import) with the dual clutch box vs a NZDM jazz RS? I’m looking at GK’s for my wife atm.
Been waiting for the 3.0r comparison forever. Glad it finally happened. Bout what I expected. My daily is nearly identical to this, I can't get enough of the exhaust sound.
Yeah man - engine dominates the experience in the leggy for sure!
Its not exactly representative tho. Since its Type S Euro Accord then it should be 3.0R Spec B and specificly late/facelift model. It also has multifunction steering wheel, better handling because it benefits from Sti derived suspension and bilstein dampers. EUDM market only ever got 6MT on Spec B alone.
@Kacpa2 bro it's not a type r euro then the spec b 30.r would be relevant. But chur to the chur jdm for life!
Great video, keep the videos coming!
Cheers man will do!
I had a spec B with the bilsteins lowered on sti pink springs and an sti front strut bar. Springs and bar were $500 shipped second hand and it was honestly a rocket on rails after that.
Oh yeah absolutely the bilsteins make a big difference
@@KiwiCarLife my biggest regret selling it. but it got me into an 07 IS350 so not complaining too hard :)
Love your content
Cheers man
hmm i wonder if the legacy could benefit from a decent wheel alignment or tyre change.
Yeah who knows aye but certainly this one (at least in comparison with my Accord) was very questionable through the corners... Not sure why?
You should probably mention the model of tires they are on.
@@paul--b This is my legacy, and it was running on some half worn nangkang tyres (Which is a questionable sounding brand), Im thinking a bit more low and better tyres could "fix" the handling
@@jackturner990 Get some Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires on there before you do anything else.
Hello there Liam, I drive a 97 Honda Accord Wagon MT and I have a question for you because i am having a hard time choosing between a Subaru Outback 2.5 vs Accord CL7/9 Wagon as a new safer child-carrier addition to my old daily. I would love to own a Subee for the off-roadability but while driving a Subee Forester i have noticed the same gearbox/ heavy clutch issue that you mentioned here and i am confused about my choice. Are all Subarus so clutch heavy? I am also considering buying a AT or just buy a Honda and fit it with a 1.5-2 inch lift kit for better ground clearance. What’s your opinion on that? Thanks and keep them coming!
Not all that I've driven have been clutch heavy, however they are not easy cars to drive. They just generally feel quite lurchy and nasty at low speed in particular. Not great for traffic. The Accord will be a much better road car, subie good for offroading obviously but it depends how much offroading you actually want to do.
what do you think of the subaru legacy 2.5 turbo?
Haven't driven one unfortunately, but if the 3.0R is anything to go buy I'd say it'll be decent, but not outstanding...
Get the 2.0L turbo ej20y jdm
@@skux93 Yeah I'm sure that'll be pretty darn good, but at that point, might as well just get the WRX STi
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I got a Legacy 3.0R SpecB, they certainly get under your skin - also for some odd reason I too had a Honda Accord K24 before this Subaru, and a Merc CL55 AMG if that matters but the Subaru is just simply outstanding - handling, performance and that gearbox just rifles through gear changes, also its old school with mechanical AWD and 50:50 bias, none of this fancy electronic rubbish on modern cars which take away all the aspects of getting involved with the car itself. The steering like the Honda is hydraulic which is another big plus, almost every car now has electric PS.
its very much a drivers orientated car and I never have the radio on - I prefer the engine note.
th-cam.com/video/gO-3xaWJ5qQ/w-d-xo.html
Definitely agree about the engine note and the mechanical feeling of the car. And the gearbox ratios are simply fantastic and really make it an enjoyable car to drive. However in this particular one I thought the steering was very numb, the handling not very confidence inspiring (always wanted to understeer much before I expected it to) and the gearbox feel wasn't very nice... But I'm sure all of these faults I discovered are fixable and in that case it would be outstanding! The engine is a masterpiece
@@KiwiCarLife I took some corners in my car at speeds I had no right to - I would have the one you drove looked at, mine had Bilstein suspension of course and I had uprated bushes so that probably helped. Hope all is well in NZ
@@toffeepie1878 all about that throttle control on the corners you can really play with it when you get used to it also momentum shift in the car under control and you really do go around corners like your on rains
Definitely an interesting review, love the content dude! Bit confused by the Legacy's handling woes. The 3.0r i've got is the manual spec b variant with the bilstein b6's running on the oem bridgestones. Not sure if this corresponds with your example... Mine certainly doesn't struggle for grip unless I'm really hammering the throttle on the corners, but you are correct in that it's understeer city. Had the back kick out a few times from a stop in the wet, but usually it's just very predictable understeer.
One thing I'd note is that the mod support for the 3.0r is very limited unless you do a lot of custom work, still though, could never stop loving the sound enough to move back to a 4 cylinder.
Cheers man, yeah sounds similar to the one I drove
Also maybe clutch needs a bleed good clean fluid makes a difference, gearbox also should have good fluid, I use Motul some swear by redline cocktail, I have an H6 Blitzen AVCS wagon, def doesn’t suffer grip, I’ve kept up with sport hatch’s no problems on some of NZs nasty windy roads even when my brakes were getting bit hot, eg Arthurs pass west coast side on the big downhill will test any car handling and brakes, that got a bit hairy, but was still on the tail of a hatch turbo much much later model car than mine. Just saying sounds like something a bit off with that car, I’d be checking bushes, the stock Subaru sway bars imo are way too small on the Subarus in general, some Whiteline or EiBach make a huge difference. depends what you want though comfort or stability. Stock Subarus tend to be on the comfort side and the Legacy aimed at that even more. Interesting comparison though.
A set of headers absolutely transforms them. Factory headers are rubbish and almost always end up tripping the knock sensor meaning the cars ECU pulls a bunch of timing out, turning them into a 120kw slug. Aftermarket headers fix this issue, and sound way better as a bonus.
Handling wise, try and drive an AWD like a FWD, and you'll get exactly the behaviour you see in this comparison. In AWD, Brake late, go in wide to create a late apex and sharp turn-in. Gas on hard immediately after turn-in and let all four wheels pull and push you out of the corner. When done properly this is rather satisfying and eliminates much of the understeer woes people complain about with AWD cars. Legacies in particular respond well to good rubber, stiffer endlinks and upgraded swaybars
@@xrand0mx you just said exactly what Turbo Yoda said about it becoming a 120kw car, almost word for word.
@@xrand0mx and a tune
Loved the video mate. I live in Christchurch and have a 6spd 3.0. My colleague has a euro r and we both work night shifts so naturally we took turns taking each others car out for a spin when it was quiet. Both are definitely fun cars to drive.
Cool man!
Watched this a year ago before buying my 3.0r spec b. The understeer on snow and ice especially was hopelessly bad until i swapped in brand new struts from Bilstein. It was like a completely different car then. Great video on 2 very good cars.
Interesting you say that... This one I filmed with had no Bilsteins and it didn't handle very well, but he later replaced it with a facelift one with Bilsteins, and it was so much better
@@KiwiCarLife Shifter feel can be dramaticly improved with STI factory Short throw kit for all 6speed linkage subarus and it should feel as good as Honda too. Subaru just went with more cushy feeling one because...luxury i guess. All of the issues can be modded away in these tbh, then they become perfect. Even weight, since 18" rims especially facelift ones are quite extremely heavy. Dropping it down a size and getting and buffing up the sidewall profile to 50(keeps the radius the same as 18" on 45 profile)will drop the weight quite well and it will be all in unsprung mass, then exhaust modding can drop it further so it even can cross the 1500kg line even in wagon version. it also can fit 225/50 too so wider and even taller tyre for comfort and it will grip better.
Really clean accord mate, I see it all the time. I've got a euro r in the same colour :)
Nice man! Great cars
Like the vlog bro I just want to add I have a 2008 subaru legacy well in Australia its a liberty im sure yous know anyway my point is I thrash the hell out of it its same as the one on this except 2008 it's got the 6 cylinder 6speed and all wheel drive and I push it to its limits every single day and ive never had that under steering problem nor have I had lift off over steer so I think its just that car maybe cheap Tyers im running pilot sports s Michelin's stock suspension and my car sticks to the road like a go cart sometimes I try even hard the next time to get it to not grip and I havnt been able to so I was so surprised to that car doing that
Yeah id say tyres on this example will make all the difference
Yea mate I have a 2005 liberty 3.0R spec b 6 speed manuel with re003 tyres and it grips like insanity good around corners. I think it is also due the the bilstein suspension the spec b, as it sits lower that the one in the 3.0R
I figured it had horrible tyres.
Nice video. I had a cl9 accord before my 3.0 spec b legacy. The accord was superb and handled so well. Although I wouldn't say the legacy was far behind it. The legacy always felt so planted wherever it went.
Yeah maybe it was just this one...
Really good content nan please keep this up
Cheers man
if only i couldve taken you over takaka hill in my 3.0 6spd, it carved it up really well honestly 😎
Yeah I've driven a few since and this 3.0R definitely had some issues
Moronic comparison either compare acvord v6 with subaru r6 or accord 2.4 with subaru 2.5!
Accord v6 doesn't come in manual here and its a boat. Besides, watch my most recent video and my little 2.4 keeps up with his legacy now.
Great video bro. I agree 2.4 accord is very smooth and refined even more with the tune, my type s handling is unbelievable too on the back roads. It would be interesting to see how the Accord does against the legacy once you've done the rest of your mods. There's some 0-60mph times of the Accord(CAI, 4-2-1 header etc) on TH-cam, it was around 6.5 secs. Which is quite impressive. Can't wait for the next vid! Always look forward to them
Cheers man - yeah we got an exhaust coming next week so it'll be interesting to see if it's any quicker now!
@@KiwiCarLife I hope it is faster! 😁
@@mrwaqy Yeah me too haha otherwise it's a grand down the drain
Mate, try and drive a SpecB with decent tyres if you can. It won't feel like the same car.
That old thing probably had worn shift linkage bushes too. The STi box is anything but a bucket of bolts. The clutch feel is weird because it's a pull-type clutch, like a GT-R.
I know you're probably being nice because it's someone else's car, but you can safely launch at much higher than 3k 😉
I'm sure it would have felt very nice. Can only go off what I've driven though. But yes if I get a chance I will and maybe I'll reevaluate my opinions
Looses all credability when he says the Subaru gearbox feels bad, like a truck gearbox lmao
Well this one certainly did, compared with my accord anyway. However I've since driven ones with all new bushings and they are a lot better.
Legacy slow in, fast out, you need to get used to it
Yes, however when you only have 20 mins with a car, it's hard to get used to it. So I just drove it how I drive my Accord and it wasn't the best. But I can agree with more time to get used to how an AWD car handles it would probably be quite good.
Wherabouts are you at 7:20? Also from wellington. Looks like a good driving road!
Ohariu Valley Road
I test drove an auto Accord and the engine was gutless at low revs and the gearing was insanely long. It was so unacceptable.
Yeah need a manual for sure
Since I wrote that comment a year ago, I recently bought this Subaru (Liberty in Aus) and I find the engine lacking a bit of low end torque too. It must be a Japanese thing or I just have high expectations. It sounds amazing with an exhaust though.
Can you do a review on prelude vtir please. Preferably compare it to accord euro.
If I can find one sure!
Not too much difference between the various accord specs in terms of power, but for the Subaru there is a ton. The base model Accord makes 140kW and the base liberty makes 120kW
The base Accord Euro the Europeans and Japanese get has a 114kw 2.0L
@@KiwiCarLife I meant aus/nz DM
@@choiceparalysis i see, we get the import 2.0l's here
Nice review man I used to own a Subaru 3.0r and kind of disagree with the handling part. That put where you said the legacy can’t do that. mine would have done as good. But both really good cars
Cheers man, and I can only speak for the car I drove. Tyres were probably the biggest factor in this case
@@KiwiCarLife have to agree with sam, I think it comes down to experience when driving subarus, they do take some time to master when it comes to corners. its about knowing when to put the power on to help them stick, too early and yes the understeer is horrid. I know I can feed mine around 35km sharp bends at 80 comfortably and thats on eco cheap tyres too.
@@MrTakeaswig yeah it's been a while since and I've had the opportunity to drive a lot of cars since, and yes I'm used to Hondas where you just chuck em in and they go round... Subies you gotta be slow in, fast oit
Both cars look better as Wagons!
Disagree
Quality content as always! Any plans to upgrade those brakes? Would pair nicely with the rims you have.
Cheers man, given I hardly do any track days, I don't really see much need. Got an exhaust coming next week though!
Can you do an episode on the WRX
If I can find one sure
Love to see this content from nz
Thanks man!
Subaru vs Honda in WRC Championship wins.. says everything. It takes a real driver, not a comfort expert..
Honda vs Subaru in Formula 1 wins... Says everything. Takes someone who's driven hundreds of cars, not a commenter on the internet
@@KiwiCarLife I understand where you're coming from, however how would you compare an F1 with a daily driver comparison? Hundreds of cars a couple of minutes at a time? Do you think you're the only one on the internet who drives cars? *Slow clap
@@HellSolo hahah have a laugh mate. In all seriousness I've actually changed my mind on the 3.0R. the one I drove in the vid was a bit rooted but I got to have a good drive in a tidy facelift manual one soon after and it was amazing
@@KiwiCarLife Hey man, with all respect to your great video production, I own both one Honda and two Subarus. Love them both!
nice comparison, but mate, reflash your CL and put a catback on it and It will more than keep up with the Legacy...
It's already reflashed, and now has a catback (video out on sunday) and we retested it and it's still way slower. Will I need headers and intake too?
@@KiwiCarLife CAI is a difficult subject to be honest...I would recommend some research on it. I have a reflash and a custom catback on mine and the difference is noticeable, I did not do a 0-100test but it's sure not 7.9 as you got from it, that is stock timing... something is not right there. I would advise you to swap in new spark plugs, filters and that. I do recommend headers, I will also add them soon.
@@KiwiCarLife also, mind your rubber, if you have old tires... get some good premium sticky tires to grip well. I got Michelin PS4 on mine, they are worth it.
@@alexc5022 I've got brand new RE003's on mine - CAI still to come later this year. Not gonna do headers as it makes the exhaust sound raspy. But yeah tbh I have been a little disappointed with the performance. I'd at least hope with a tune, catback and CAI I'd get a noticeable increase in power but tbh I have barely noticed much of a difference. Not to mention the rev hang and long gears... I do still really enjoy driving it though. Hopefully the injen CAI I'm getting really livens the car up
mate u dont know what your talking about
definitely legacy is better than your honda
You haven't even seen or driven my car so how do you know?
Can agree with you on the legacy. Understeer is atrocious in stock form. 17” forged sti’s, semi slicks, coil overs, nylon front bushings and strut bar transform this car so much.
Yeah I'm sure
If the European Accord got a V6 like the US-spec Accord , I'm sure it would be as fast as the Legacy
Yeah defs - the J30A4 from the Accord V6 makes the same power as the legacy
The US version of that particular car actually never got a V6. You’re lucky you got a 6 speed.
In the US it’s marketed as the Acura TSX
@@quintonulm2435 no, I mean a USDM big coupe and sedan version
@@quintonulm2435 yeah I know, first gen tsx got just the k24a2, 2nd gen tsx got j35 and k24. Were saying it would be cool if the first gen got the j30 out of the 7th gen usdm accord v6 (the weird looking one)
@@indenturedLemon oh okay, I see what you were saying, was tired when I wrote that lol
Love subaru
Supreme vehicles
Do the autos do better with power due to the gears?
Unlikely, the auto gear ratios are even longer than the manuals and they don't launch very well because of that
Just came across your videos, how many ks had this Legacy done? Because that shifter looked like the bushes were flogged out to be fair to the car.
Yeah around 240,000km. I now own a facelift 3.0R manual and it's so much nicer
Was really surprised to see you had to take 3rd gear to get to 100 kmh in the Subaru. The handling of the Subaru made me think the shockers are stuffed and tires crappy.
Yeah I later drove a facelift one with Bilsteins and better tyres and it was a lot nicer
Subiegang
Yoooo
Are you going to upgrade your exhaust at some stage?
Next week man!
@@KiwiCarLife can't wait :)
Id say if you plant ur foot on the entry of a corner youll probably spin the tyres. Especially in a vehicle with higher torque.
Yes?
Considering an AT legacy with si-drive and similar mileage now. Will the difference between automatic VTD against the manual viscous make the handling and turning better? Anyway rather informative video!
If you get a pre face-lift automatic the transmission is quite sloppy, previous owner of this manual one had an auto and it was very unresponsive. On the other hand, the facelift legacies with autos rev match downshifts and aren't as bad
Wider wheels and tyres to suit and better front end suspension with strut bar really helps the legacy in the corners
For sure
My joyus deathtrap
Yes very joyous
maybe with a transmission swap, the results might change
Wait what?
@@KiwiCarLife the Euro R transmission will bolt onto the K24 and will give you the shorter gear ratios you’re looking for. Only problem is that 6th gear will also be shorter so cruising RPMs on the highway will be higher. To solve that, you can swap the 6th gear from the CL9 to the CL7 gear box. None of this is cheap to do unfortunately. 😅
@@vando1267 ahh yes that makes sense and would as you say really liven up the k24
@@KiwiCarLife a cheaper solution would be to find a used RSX Type S gear box and swap gears 2-5 to obtain the more aggressive gearing. Since the tranny will be open, might as well throw in a LSD. Btw, here’s a great reference for all of the K Series gear ratios. Not sure what’s available in your neck of the woods.
www.hybrid-racing.com/blogs/hybrid-racing/k-series-transmission-guide
Cheers mate will have a look at that - would have no idea where to start as I've never built a gearbox in my life but hey might be worth a shot...
Great video mate! Keep it up
Cheers man!
Legacy baby!
Good car
At what elevation did you do the 0-100? Or what city?
100m altitude
Would love a spec b review vs a type r brother!!!
Coming!
Who doesn't want to own a Bear?
True, we're all different
I actually own a Subaru Liberty (Legacy) 3.0 spec b and it definitely takes off well plus the handling is awesome but it’s probably due to coil overs.... the only complaint I really have is the auto trans can limit torque on steep inclines oh and the fuel usage is really bad I average about 12L/100kms
Mmmm yeah thats what youll get with a honking great big engine like that unfortunately...
4:44 Really?
Yeah the back end came round massively... vsa kicked in. Video doesn't do it justice
Good review.
Having owned a 3.0r Spec B wagon with the manual box and currently owning a CL9, I prefer the CL9 for daily duties. The Accord has a nicer driver space and it’s slightly larger. Honda just gets the driver controls right.
The 3.0R has terrible throttle pedal tuning, and the fuel economy is rubbish and must take 98 (they ping on 95 even). The legacy’s shifter can be vague and somewhat floppy once the shifter bushings wear out, replacing the bushings makes a massive difference. A rear sway bar and whiteline ALK is transformative to most Subarus- it really improves the turn in and feel, the factory bushings have a lot of compliance built in to them. Subaru tends to set their cars (including the sti) up for understeer out of the box for safety. The 3.0 just uses too much fuel for what it’s doing, although it’s quite linear and smooth.
A legacy with the twinscroll engine and a tune is a far better car, better fuel economy around town and more potential.
Mmm yes agreed
@@KiwiCarLife I’ve just been watching a few of your videos, you work for Honda? What’s your opinion on the GK fit hybrid (import) with the dual clutch box vs a NZDM jazz RS? I’m looking at GK’s for my wife atm.
This guy has the accent of a five wear owd.
Supweeeemwy.
Lmfao.
@@final3119 ah yes the anonymous keyboard warriors with pictures of their dogs as their profile pic are back again
@@KiwiCarLife uwu
scooby all the way;D
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