@@jbertucci Maybe your parents and you were/are able to afford a private education but not everyone can. Valuing educators in the public sector could help to correct for lower-quality applicants, for one thing
"My advice, always, to any member of the working class; get smart, read as much as you can and find out who's using you." - The wisest thing you'll her today.
Yeah, but as we've unfortunately have seen,that can get REAL ugly,not even sure where a lot of these words meanings or actions derive from,kinda do, but if you get pushed to shove,it can put you in the middle of toxic thgs,its the infamous dammed if u do dammed if you don't, and however this sounds,I really like people, just got tormented it made me ugly,
I don't know about Russell Brands political opinions but why would I vote at all. The Tories are greedy self serving elitists and so are Labour. Kier Starmer is part of the trilateral commission, a very sinister organisation.
punk is dead it has been for forty years this bloke is fraud he shouldn't be given any time on air. he,s a c rate celeb trying his hardest to make a few bob in his old age I pitty him realy.bet he bores his few mates about the good ol days
He is famous for being out spoken. His fortune never came from Pistols or PiL. He got into real estate with Nora. That was his built income. He is a straight shooter, speaks his mind, can't fix stupid
This is the great thing about Lydon, if you ask him a question, he's going to answer it, he doesn't care how it sounds, or if you think the opposite, you ask his opinion, he will give it to you, I don't think the man would tell a lie, to save his life.
+Jaime Peters I also respect him as an artist, Here's a guy who has made great records and has made some pretty bad records, but he has never made the same record twice, which is something not a lot of artists can claim.
+Matt Rayner As far as I'm concerned, he helped give rock & roll, a much needed swift kick in it's fat complacent ass, and for that, I will be forever grateful.
+emma duncan I like John and am a big Pistols and PIL fan but he does not represent the view of the other band members and is a classic champagne socialist - irony. Living in LA, a property landord, etc etc He may still hate toffs and 'the system' but his filthy lucre tours etc show that he hasn't an alternative as an answer and capitalism has worked for him in the end. Other places on earth may be better (???? - please specify) but until then - long live the queen and Country Life butter and J Lydon etc
@@felixfedre518 presumably you read that in the Sun. Bear in mind that the Tories run most of the media outlets in the UK, and have ruled for 29 years out of the last 40 (and will now rule for another 5), you might like to reconsider your comment.
@@joanofarc33 I don't know if Labour is using him or not, and I suspect that you don't know either. But the point he is making is that this is how people should view people in power.
Lydon has never lost his working class identity. He's a treasure as an artist and public intellectual, brutally honest and direct, and truly as fearless as ever.
For all the people that don't understand his character, this is how you to an interview! She is not fake, she genuinely looks interested in the topic and what he has to say about it. He's been asked about very painful things all his life and that's really bad, glad to see someone that treats him like a human being.
Its crazy how as soon as a person- a woman spoke to him with a little respect hes more than happy to share his views as he should because hes so intelligent. The people coming at him with spikes got spikes back! Love him
Thank you, Mr John Lydon, for being the voice of reason we need. He seems like the sort of bloke you could have a great conversation with, regardless of whether you agree with everything he says or not. And he's right about voting. If you don't vote, you lose your right to complain about the government that does get in.
John Lyndon is on the button regarding society and the working class. He’s so well read and knowledgable regarding current affairs! In a far too oc world he shouldn’t be sidelined for being honest!
2007 Brand did a friendly interview with Saville. At a point in time Brand was aware of the accusations against Saville. Brand romances a girl still at school. It's all too fishy for me. Bravo John.
I met Savile in 2005 when I was 19 due to my Dad working behind the scenes for the BBC for many years. I was aware of the “allegations” as well but I was friendly with him because he was friendly with me, even gave me a chocolate lol. I get the man was a definite wrongun and the allegations should’ve been taken seriously but to anyone outside of the establishment it was pretty much just rumour. Doesn’t seem fair to use Savile as evidence of brands innocence or guilt. Got to remember the context of that clip too, even when I met him Jimmy was a controversial figure who would say odd things for a reaction, and Russel was you know… on a radio show trying to get publicity 🤷♂️
chris parker Nope, hippies, while good at partying, were wrong. I'm surprised some like russell remain. He's basically driven by guilt, he's not studied anything, he generalises and puts other people in the same group as him, while having no idea what politics even refers to.
"Punk" is just someone who lives their own life their way while speaking their own truth. They do so without owing anything to anyone! There's nothing nihilist about it. You can be "punk" at any age. I see it as akin to just "thinking for yourself." This guy is the perfect example. Mark my words: You will NEVER hear the phrase, "IF I'm being honest," coming from anyone who is actually doing so.
Who would've thought Johnny Rotten of all people would be the voice of reason on voting. He speaks the truth, there are people dying for their right to vote in some countries and it disgusts me to see people so flippantly waving their social duty because of pure apathy and a false conviction that "My vote wont make a difference" when its thousands saying that which is making the difference by having governments get in who wouldn't have had these idiots taken things seriously and voted.
Sorry but that's nonsense. A revolution would not disband everything that came before it nor would it want to. It's more about the process of how these things are built and managed
Outdoor Mirrorist LOL people "call out" Russell Brand all the time - almost constantly - and usually (just like John Lydon, here) they devolve VERY quickly into logical fallacies (primarily ad hominem). The people who "call out" Brand highlight for everyone just how stupid and ignorant they are.
777static777 "The people who "call out" Brand highlight for everyone just how stupid and ignorant they are." I agree. This calling out needs to stop. But then, how would Brand wallow in his masturbatory fantasies about persecution? And more importantly, how would you?
Outdoor Mirrorist Are you mad? Stupid and ignorant? He first says "don't vote", using his influence to make a point. Then endorses Labour...who lost. Then say "who am I? Don't listen to me." Speaks for itself, he hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
Outdoor Mirrorist That comment makes absolutely no sense. Can you point to a single time where I've "wallowed in masturbatory fantasies about persecution," or are you just talking out of your ass? As for Brand's "masturbatory fantasies about persecution," have you never read a Murdoch newspaper before? (Hell, did you not watch this poor excuse for an interview?)
I like John Lydon. You get no bullshit from him. He's right about the vote. A lot of people sacrificed their lives for the privilege. Yes, I like John Lydon, even though he's an Arsenal fan.
The world owes punk rock a huge debt in that it was able to provide an alternative way for Johnny to channel all of his intellect and disdain for our world; rather than becoming a political figure or actual criminal. He could easily be the villain in a Bond film.
Brand is finished anyway. Once Hipster Students turn on you yer fucked. Lydon while not always right, granted, speaks from the heart. Love him or hate him he speaks his mind...Brand will just tell you what you want to hear.
So many musicians from my youth, 70's through the 90's just sit there silent while the world burns, only worried about their house payments and getting themselves and their friends stoned (looking at you David Crosby). No wonder the younger generations have a warped view of the older generations, all the important ones sit silent. Johnny is the only one telling it like it is and like it was. That why this man gets my full respect. Thanks John!!
There is so much cringe worthy footage of Rotten banging on. But here, when he's in Lydon mode, and it's still early enough in the day that he's articulate, and clear headed, he shows what is really remarkable about his mind, and how intrinsically and passionately British he is. One thing Lydon is notorious for is having absolutely zero patience for an uninformed or ill prepared journalist. Kudos to this woman here, for garnering enough genuine respect from Lydon, to elicit a sincere, thoughtful and profound conversation from this national treasure.
Rubbish Lydon is his usual interview self, trying to disguise his lack of any substantial knowledge about politics, and Toynbee is her usual preachy self, condescending to Lydon as he detests UKIP because that's what she wants from him. Lydon is great as a musician and character. But his political views are superficial and naïve.
Bryan Leigh I’d have to agree. His heart is in the right place but he is a victim of his sensitivity and lacks a broad perspective that would allow him to escape the familiar comfort he finds in self inflicted misery. Growing up on council estates in the 60’s, 70’s and early 80’s, I considered myself a punk, was a huge fan of the Pistols, the Clash and the Jam. I railed against ‘the system’ believing in the vague sinister existential threat that was the conventional wisdom of the ‘woe is me’ British working class, then I left school and home and was presented with the fact I had to get on with it. I emigrated to the US in 1986 and have had a modicum of success in the software industry. I’m retired at 56, financially secure to a large extent and have enjoyed the success that comes with hard work and personal responsibility . I often wonder how my life would have turned out if I’d stayed on the estates. After seeing a couple of interviews with the older John Lydon, I think I have my answer.
John, we did read, we got smart, we found out who was using us and we stopped voting for Labour. Why haven't you? Actually, I think maybe you have.but you're not telling Polly.
John Lydon said himself that he used to believe in voting but realized it doesn't make a difference and that it all needs to change. no need to bash Russell Brand for having the same view he had himself.
His line about anarchists still using motorways just proves how brilliant this man really is. Only those who have a full understanding and tolerance of both sides can have a truly informed opinion.. No idea how I stumbled across this video, but its given me the tiniest sliver of hope for the future.. Thank you!
I like John, however I vote Conservative here in Australia because I don't think its a great idea having loads of refugess/asylum seekers continuing to flood the country taking $50,000 payments from taxpayers for a better life. Why should a nations taxpayers pay for someone from a third world country to get a better life? You should never get anything for nothing, you need to earn it and accept what life dishes up to you and not take things that don't belong to you. Socialism does not work, there are nearly 10 billion people on this planet and not enough food, water, money or resources for everyone so do the maths and stop refugees fleeing to rich nations.
You could also look at voter turn out rate as and indication of confidence in the system. Maybe these people realize we live in a oligarchy and choice is just an illusion.
I never thought that I'd look on Johnny Rotten as the voice of reason but Brand and his predominantly left wing followers electing not to vote and then wondering why the Tories keep getting in is plain potty.
The Butler Did It Russel brands whole point is voting makes no difference. The WHOLE system needs changed especially politics. Whats the point in trying to vote in the lesser of the evils when we should just sack the lot and start again, after all they are just public servants.
John Gray It is unrealistic to say "sack the lot and start again" and then not vote. The only way to start again is to vote for people who are not currently M.P.s. If there are no suitable candidates then start your own party, if it has enough popular appeal you will win, if it doesn't then it means you are wrong and the other parties are right or at least have more persuasive arguments. By all means stay home if you want, but don't fool yourself that you're not voting. In reality, there is no such thing as not voting: you either vote by voting, or you vote by staying home and, by doing so double the value of the vote cast by someone who could actually be bothered to turn up.”
The Butler Did It It's also unrealistic to vote a nicer MP into a rotten system, when its the system that's rotten not the MP's. And don't you fool yourself into thinking if i play along with this system then at least i can sit back and none of these world problems are mine, because i voted. Voting and not really caring about the system is worse than non voting. Change will only come from the people, the bottom up. Definitely not from the top down.
John GrayGray And how do you think "the people" are going to change the system? They certainly aren't going to change it by sitting at home and kidding themselves that by opting out that anything is going to change. I understand the sentiment and feelings that lead people to not bothering to vote but how does anyone expect to make a difference if they disengage from the system? The message this sends to the party in power, whichever it might be (or indeed all parties), is that you just don't care and that they have your tacit agreement to do anything they like: Destroy the NHS; we don't care. Drive people into poverty; we don't care. Make the already wealthy even more wealthy at the expense of the less well off; we don't care. Avoid paying your taxes; we don't care. Exploit your workforce to increase your profits; we don't care. Destroy the education system; we don't care. Make university unattainable unless you're rich; we don't care. Essentially, keep the population in its place, deny them any opportunity they can't afford, make sure the 99.9% don't get any ideas above their station! We don't care! It took very many years to win the right to vote, don't let all those campaigners who fought long and hard on our behalf down. Use your vote. Challenge your MP. Take an interest in your own future. Or let the NHS disappear, let your pension age get later and later. Let the family silver be sold off to the multinational corporations. If you really can't bring yourself to vote for any of the candidates, put "None of the above". Spoiled papers get counted and you are at least sending a message. For those who choose not to vote at all, the only message they send is "Do what you like, I don't care".
The Butler Did It all that you're saying is true. All our assets are being sold off, the people are being exploited. There is 80,000 homeless people and 800,000 empty homes. They do put fluoride and other stuff in our water to lower our IQ's and make us more 'manageable' . How will signing my name on a bit of paper stop a few rich families controlling the world? and even more, voting with 'none of the above', it makes no difference. We need direct change, real irreversible change. A revolution. No people wont make change sitting around not voting, or voting. the general population are soooooooooo ignorant and are too busy full of fear and hate for muslims, terrorists, ebola. Not to mention people are working so hard these day's they dont have time to properly educate them selves, and the shit food and water gives them short attention spans to learning is difficult. The odds are massively stacked against us, mainly because of the ignorance of the people and their fear of losing everything they have worked so hard for, stuff. Future generations are going to be born into debt they have nothing to do with and very little personal freedoms (scrapping human right act, new terror acts) Were totally fucked make, we have forgotten what it is to be a species, mainstream media is slowly dehumanizing people so murder is fine as long as they aren't white. White people who want a better life are called expats, and don't get shot at. White is right is full of shite. So you tell me mate, how will voting get fluoride out of my water? considering people are protesting for it now and trying to take people to court for it. All we can do is try to wake people up so when enough people are aware of the bigger picture, we can go down to parliament house and arrest all these criminals.
Smells like it’s time for a revolution!! *trumpets sound*, *leaders get visions of the French Revolution*, *common folk get visions of the French Revolution*..... *heads everywhere*
This is an unlikely scenario right enough, but is Brand saying that if there was a huge upsurge in support for both the B.N.P. and Green Party and they were neck and neck in his constituency, he wouldn't vote and would be telling all his fellow constituents not to vote?
@@adriankuba1 Point is it's just an illusion of choice, a farce, going through the motions, nothing changes with either of the two main parties in power.
Changed his tune. He's pro-Brexit and pro-Trump these days. But Brexit and Trump are the choices of the working class, and both are anti-establishment and therefore punk movements, so I guess it was always on the cards he'd come on board
I watched a few of Brands Trews series as well as an appearance he made on Question Time. He's something of a carpet bagger in that he'll take the populist opinion in a lot of given issues to bring attention to himself.He has no real solutions and is a pseudo-intellectual trying to be a rebel and a man of the people! He's like a wealthier, more successful version of Rik from the Young Ones. Just another cardboard anarchist/revolutionary with hollow ideals which aren't ground in reality!
My one criticism is that it seems to me that Lydon appears, and let me repeat *appears* to be assuming that those who don't vote do so strictly because they're ignorant on the issues. By and large that might be true although it can be perceived as all too sweeping a statement. Some although they may b the minority do. If you don't know who to vote for then voting just could be an act of randomness which shouldn't be condoned either. I want people to vote because they know 100% who they want to do so for their own legitimate reasons. Perhaps Lydon is aware of this but I just thought I'd throw that out there.
UKIP aren't anti-immigration. They agree that immigration is a good thing but it should be limited, like it is in Australia. Anti-immigration is a BNP policy, a party of ill-educated racists, not a UKIP policy, a party that wants the 430 million people allowed to come and live in the UK quality controlled. If immigration is controlled and the people that come here contribute to the wellness of our country, it's a great thing. Who wants more criminals and more people on benefits?
Russel brand is an idealistic fool, but Mr Lyndon, the guy who moved to Florida, because of the low income tax. Hyprocites to the left, hyprocrites to the right 😂
I've only seen one interview from the 80s where he said Saville was dodgy but I'm guessing he copped plenty at the time and it shut him up. Most of us can see Brand for what he is but - again - many tolerated him as an eccentric with money. I still don't understand why any parent would leave a kid with Saville - that guy was a born creeper.
Yeah but if I don’t believe in anything that any of the parties are claiming their standing for, who am I supposed to vote for if the monster raving loony party isn’t standing in my constituency?
He's not self-educated and he hasn't read any classic literature because he's suffering from brain atrophy, gradually deteriorating. This video interview irrefutably proves that there is a brain cell deficit.
"Without education you're going to be the stupid of the future "
Love this man!
@@jbertucci Maybe your parents and you were/are able to afford a private education but not everyone can. Valuing educators in the public sector could help to correct for lower-quality applicants, for one thing
There’s a difference between education and government education.
"My advice, always, to any member of the working class; get smart, read as much as you can and find out who's using you." - The wisest thing you'll her today.
Sound advice for people of all ages
Ridiculous, why don't you just look around and see whats going on around you - beyond the written word - or does your moral compass need remagnetizing
Yeah, but as we've unfortunately have seen,that can get REAL ugly,not even sure where a lot of these words meanings or actions derive from,kinda do, but if you get pushed to shove,it can put you in the middle of toxic thgs,its the infamous dammed if u do dammed if you don't, and however this sounds,I really like people, just got tormented it made me ugly,
@@JSTNtheWZRD He didn't suggest you read to learn morality. Read history, for a start. Learn how others got used up.
@@JSTNtheWZRD Do both.
People like John should be cherished. An honest man demonised by the media.
Well said Steven, thank you for voicing the opinion of myself and countless other supporters of John ❤
I don't know about Russell Brands political opinions but why would I vote at all. The Tories are greedy self serving elitists and so are Labour. Kier Starmer is part of the trilateral commission, a very sinister organisation.
An intelligent man who was banned and demonised because he swore in public. He deserves a great deal of respect.
And because he told the BBC about saville
@@mister3566 worse. He spoke out about then the BBC banned him.
would he vote for a sir? dont think so
So intelligent he was a smack head. 🤔
Punk isn't dead: it just goes to bed at a more reasonable hour. 🤘🏻😜
He’s so cringe. He’s an old, frail sook. I could bash him.
lmao classic!
punk is dead it has been for forty years this bloke is fraud he shouldn't be given any time on air. he,s a c rate celeb trying his hardest to make a few bob in his old age I pitty him realy.bet he bores his few mates about the good ol days
Haha true
He is famous for being out spoken. His fortune never came from Pistols or PiL. He got into real estate with Nora. That was his built income.
He is a straight shooter, speaks his mind, can't fix stupid
This is the great thing about Lydon, if you ask him a question, he's going to answer it, he doesn't care how it sounds, or if you think the opposite, you ask his opinion, he will give it to you, I don't think the man would tell a lie, to save his life.
+emma duncan yes. I suspect you may be the only person in this conversation smart enough to understand the man.
+emma duncan Well said.
+Jaime Peters I also respect him as an artist, Here's a guy who has made great records and has made some pretty bad records, but he has never made the same record twice, which is something not a lot of artists can claim.
+Matt Rayner As far as I'm concerned, he helped give rock & roll, a much needed swift kick in it's fat complacent ass, and for that, I will be forever grateful.
+emma duncan I like John and am a big Pistols and PIL fan but he does not represent the view of the other band members and is a classic champagne socialist - irony. Living in LA, a property landord, etc etc He may still hate toffs and 'the system' but his filthy lucre tours etc show that he hasn't an alternative as an answer and capitalism has worked for him in the end. Other places on earth may be better (???? - please specify) but until then - long live the queen and Country Life butter and J Lydon etc
This guy is always been spot on, especially with Jimmy Salville!!
Get smart, read as much as you can, and find out who is using you....
We found it was Labour.
@@felixfedre518 presumably you read that in the Sun. Bear in mind that the Tories run most of the media outlets in the UK, and have ruled for 29 years out of the last 40 (and will now rule for another 5), you might like to reconsider your comment.
@@felixfedre518 My conclusion is, it's the banks.
Ricardo Thorburn So why doesn’t he realize Labour is using him?
@@joanofarc33 I don't know if Labour is using him or not, and I suspect that you don't know either. But the point he is making is that this is how people should view people in power.
Lydon has never lost his working class identity. He's a treasure as an artist and public intellectual, brutally honest and direct, and truly as fearless as ever.
"public intellectual"
@@folksurvival Do you have an actual opinion to share with us? Cuz you're not fooling anybody with that vaguely patronizing BS
@@chilliecheesecake Strong projection from you there
Have no idea who he is.
@@petegregory517 Who are these Beatles?
For all the people that don't understand his character, this is how you to an interview! She is not fake, she genuinely looks interested in the topic and what he has to say about it. He's been asked about very painful things all his life and that's really bad, glad to see someone that treats him like a human being.
bright n well-spoken I must admit...
Its crazy how as soon as a person- a woman spoke to him with a little respect hes more than happy to share his views as he should because hes so intelligent. The people coming at him with spikes got spikes back! Love him
Love this guy! He doesn't pull any punches,ask him a question and you get a direct answer.
Exactly, and sadly people aren't like that anymore.
I always thought he was a Tory
The way it should be
@@DJWESG1 If he is,great.
@@oldmate9969 So true.
Thank you, Mr John Lydon, for being the voice of reason we need. He seems like the sort of bloke you could have a great conversation with, regardless of whether you agree with everything he says or not. And he's right about voting. If you don't vote, you lose your right to complain about the government that does get in.
John Lyndon is on the button regarding society and the working class. He’s so well read and knowledgable regarding current affairs! In a far too oc world he shouldn’t be sidelined for being honest!
John is an educated man, very articulate, a joy to listen to, he tells it how it is, he’s realistic and truthful
But he's also wrong
@@alanbell2156 About what? Not necessarily disagreeing with you but he did make multiple separate points in this video
I adore John. He always puts a smile on my face. Never tire of listening to his wisdom and wit.
2007 Brand did a friendly interview with Saville. At a point in time Brand was aware of the accusations against Saville. Brand romances a girl still at school. It's all too fishy for me. Bravo John.
I met Savile in 2005 when I was 19 due to my Dad working behind the scenes for the BBC for many years. I was aware of the “allegations” as well but I was friendly with him because he was friendly with me, even gave me a chocolate lol. I get the man was a definite wrongun and the allegations should’ve been taken seriously but to anyone outside of the establishment it was pretty much just rumour. Doesn’t seem fair to use Savile as evidence of brands innocence or guilt. Got to remember the context of that clip too, even when I met him Jimmy was a controversial figure who would say odd things for a reaction, and Russel was you know… on a radio show trying to get publicity 🤷♂️
And now Russell Brand has retreated back to his mansion...So much for the revolution.
Slasherhorror1980 TREWS is back
With his on and off gf, the grand-daughter of the fucking Rothschilds. There was never a revolution to begin with he was a sideshow.
lol
It wouldn't matter who we vote for they do what is required from the main source....
@Saurchie...then, go out and make your own darn vegetarian meal.
"I take drugs and tell not-funny jokes"
A perfect description of Russell Brand.
Uhm, he's been sober for many years.
@@chadwickwright2833 but he's still unfunny
No, just because you don't understand his humor doesn't make him unfunny.
I'm 40 years of age. He's actually extremely intelligent. John Lydon is a fool and a right-wing delusional idiot.
@@chadwickwright2833 lol you div how the hell is he right wing? You didn't watch the video did you?
John Lydon has hitherto unsuspected wisdom and common sense. Plus a sense of justice and fair play for the people. Not just some of the people
I'd like to see Lydon and Brand in a one to one discussion.
+Clara Going Bye Bye hell yeah. Front row.
+Brian Smith And I would pay to see bill gates debating an ostridge.
Oooh yes! Lydon would wipe the floor with Brands boney arse.
+Angela Davis loved the pistols but russell brand would wipe the floor with him.
chris parker
Nope, hippies, while good at partying, were wrong. I'm surprised some like russell remain. He's basically driven by guilt, he's not studied anything, he generalises and puts other people in the same group as him, while having no idea what politics even refers to.
"Punk" is just someone who lives their own life their way while speaking their own truth. They do so without owing anything to anyone! There's nothing nihilist about it. You can be "punk" at any age. I see it as akin to just "thinking for yourself." This guy is the perfect example. Mark my words: You will NEVER hear the phrase, "IF I'm being honest," coming from anyone who is actually doing so.
John Lydon is great, full stop. I could listen to his interviews all day. Great guy.
I'm really impressed! I've never heard Lyndon speak before this video. I like the man
and I like the way he speaks.
This is 6 years old and sadly he's not the same man now at all since he moved to California and became a U.S. citizen.
Who would've thought Johnny Rotten of all people would be the voice of reason on voting. He speaks the truth, there are people dying for their right to vote in some countries and it disgusts me to see people so flippantly waving their social duty because of pure apathy and a false conviction that "My vote wont make a difference" when its thousands saying that which is making the difference by having governments get in who wouldn't have had these idiots taken things seriously and voted.
When those in seeking votes are gangsters they deserve no votes
hows that voting going for you now?
4:26 , "Anarchists can't get anywhere without motorways.". Anarchists are inherently dependent on the systems they protest. Brilliance.
🤦♀️
Classic example of "only Anarchist for the aesthetic"
Anarchists would do it themselves.
Given that they aren’t going to sit around and wait for the system.
Sorry but that's nonsense. A revolution would not disband everything that came before it nor would it want to. It's more about the process of how these things are built and managed
Anarchism simply seeks to break down power structures where possible.. extremist versions of these ideas paint an unrealistic image..
Benny Hill was right, "It doesn't matter who you vote for the government always get in"
min bannister There will always be those behind the scenes pulling the strings
Jonathan Hadley So, Russell Brand was right all along?
Blaz3ofGlory Well do you really think that voting makes a difference!
Jonathan Hadley No! I'm in agreement with Russell Brand!
choose your puppet, red or blue...
Never been into pistols but I love John Lydon. He’s like a modern day Oscar Wilde.
Ian Smith omg u what ?
That's an elaborate way to call someone gay.
You might like Public Image Ltd. more
@@2-bitsampler841 😂
I don't think so
It's VERY telling that, within the first minute of this interview, several fallacious ad hominems are thrown about and gleefully accepted.
777static777 Someone has to call out Russell Brand. About time.
Outdoor Mirrorist LOL people "call out" Russell Brand all the time - almost constantly - and usually (just like John Lydon, here) they devolve VERY quickly into logical fallacies (primarily ad hominem).
The people who "call out" Brand highlight for everyone just how stupid and ignorant they are.
777static777
"The people who "call out" Brand highlight for everyone just how stupid and ignorant they are."
I agree. This calling out needs to stop. But then, how would Brand wallow in his masturbatory fantasies about persecution? And more importantly, how would you?
Outdoor Mirrorist Are you mad? Stupid and ignorant? He first says "don't vote", using his influence to make a point. Then endorses Labour...who lost. Then say "who am I? Don't listen to me." Speaks for itself, he hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
Outdoor Mirrorist That comment makes absolutely no sense.
Can you point to a single time where I've "wallowed in masturbatory fantasies about persecution," or are you just talking out of your ass?
As for Brand's "masturbatory fantasies about persecution," have you never read a Murdoch newspaper before? (Hell, did you not watch this poor excuse for an interview?)
"You're demanding to be ignored." - Johnny Rotten circa 2014
sounds kinda like voting if you ask me
Rather than patronised and lied to.
"Anarchists can't get anywhere without motorways". Love this man.
true anarchists don't want motorways, that's the whole idea.
That's the dumbest «argument» people has against anarchism.
@Life as we know it I fully agree. I wasn't defending anarchists, I was simply pointing out Lydon's bad argument.
Right. The public is too stupid to organize and fund labor for road construction without the coercion of the state.
Stupid statement. You can be an anarchist and build a road, a house or anything you put your mind (and others who would like to cooperate) into it.
He's so right. Working class people need to get wise and figure out who is ripping him off.
Great interview. He's become a wise man over the years.
Always has been sharp and spoken his mind
I like John Lydon. You get no bullshit from him. He's right about the vote. A lot of people sacrificed their lives for the privilege. Yes, I like John Lydon, even though he's an Arsenal fan.
Only gooner I actually like
The world owes punk rock a huge debt in that it was able to provide an alternative way for Johnny to channel all of his intellect and disdain for our world; rather than becoming a political figure or actual criminal. He could easily be the villain in a Bond film.
He never fails to answer things straight up and stand by it.
He's absolutely spot on. We need more John Lydons.
Brand is finished anyway. Once Hipster Students turn on you yer fucked. Lydon while not always right, granted, speaks from the heart. Love him or hate him he speaks his mind...Brand will just tell you what you want to hear.
he could be wrong , he could be right
Lol
Punk is dead. And this guy will be soon too.
He could be black,He could be white.
Give Gore but we don’t care
Facts are NOT subjective.
So many musicians from my youth, 70's through the 90's just sit there silent while the world burns, only worried about their house payments and getting themselves and their friends stoned (looking at you David Crosby). No wonder the younger generations have a warped view of the older generations, all the important ones sit silent. Johnny is the only one telling it like it is and like it was. That why this man gets my full respect. Thanks John!!
There is so much cringe worthy footage of Rotten banging on. But here, when he's in Lydon mode, and it's still early enough in the day that he's articulate, and clear headed, he shows what is really remarkable about his mind, and how intrinsically and passionately British he is.
One thing Lydon is notorious for is having absolutely zero patience for an uninformed or ill prepared journalist. Kudos to this woman here, for garnering enough genuine respect from Lydon, to elicit a sincere, thoughtful and profound conversation from this national treasure.
I love the brooding intensity of your profile pic 😂 your so intellectual and deep!
@@fitzfitzchivalry4538 You're*
Rubbish
Lydon is his usual interview self, trying to disguise his lack of any substantial knowledge about politics, and Toynbee is her usual preachy self, condescending to Lydon as he detests UKIP because that's what she wants from him.
Lydon is great as a musician and character. But his political views are superficial and naïve.
Bryan Leigh I’d have to agree. His heart is in the right place but he is a victim of his sensitivity and lacks a broad perspective that would allow him to escape the familiar comfort he finds in self inflicted misery. Growing up on council estates in the 60’s, 70’s and early 80’s, I considered myself a punk, was a huge fan of the Pistols, the Clash and the Jam. I railed against ‘the system’ believing in the vague sinister existential threat that was the conventional wisdom of the ‘woe is me’ British working class, then I left school and home and was presented with the fact I had to get on with it. I emigrated to the US in 1986 and have had a modicum of success in the software industry. I’m retired at 56, financially secure to a large extent and have enjoyed the success that comes with hard work and personal responsibility . I often wonder how my life would have turned out if I’d stayed on the estates. After seeing a couple of interviews with the older John Lydon, I think I have my answer.
@@Metolius9
Except he didn't stay on the estates and probably has more money than you!
But I get your point.👍
He's not afraid to speak his truth and he is absolutely right in this regard. VOTE INFORMED!!
I AGREE. DON'T VOTE. DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO CORRUPTION. YOUR VOTE DOESN'T MATTER ANYHOW.
The wonderful thing about John Lydon is he cuts through the fog and helps you see just a bit more clearly.
If voting meant anything they wouldnt allow the likes of us to do it..Mark Twain.
Russell Brand uses his wide vocabulary to talk s#!t. And that is all Russell talks
I'm beginning to think that fact is true
John Lydon comes over as a very intelligent man.
Did he seriously say Margaret Thatcher didn't break down the union's... And you have the nerve to insult brands intelligence/integrity
he would make such a good pirate
+Henry Johnson friggin in the riggin lol
henry johnson he's so camp
henry johnson Russell himself could have played Jack Sparrow really well
Now that's an idea for a movie :D
They should make a sequel to Drop Dead Fred staring Johnny. (Never, ever should they attempt to remake the epic first movie)
Least obnoxious interview I have seen with John Lydon.
He comes across combative often but I think he knows he is hated for speaking a truth and it pisses him of
Lydon is just a contrarian. He doesn't stand for anything except being a troll.
Absolutely the most civil conversation
Because they’re having an important conversation, instead of talking the sex pistols for the umpteenth time.
"I stopped listening to Johnny Rotten after he was telling me which butter to eat" - Russel Brand :)
Weak comeback wasn't it . Russell really is a champagne socialist
@@bensmith5288 No, it was spot on. Johnny Rotten prancing about in his butter advert really made me question the guy, what a clown.
@@channelbizt we have totally different opinions on things so theres no point us arguing.
I stopped listening to Russel Brand the moment he first opened his mouth
Brand means nothing in the world simple he is a legend in his own lunchbox
John, we did read, we got smart, we found out who was using us and we stopped voting for Labour. Why haven't you? Actually, I think maybe you have.but you're not telling Polly.
Who was it who said
"If voting made any difference,they wouldn't let us do it "
Think about it
John?
what a wonderful quote
Mao Zedong
He is a lovely honest geezer a lot more intelligent than the media have ever portrayed him to be.
Always liked Johnny. Abrasive, but honest. I disagree with most of what he stands for and says, but I respect him.
Same!
John Lydon said himself that he used to believe in voting but realized it doesn't make a difference and that it all needs to change.
no need to bash Russell Brand for having the same view he had himself.
Hmmmm….this hasn’t aged well as Brand becomes a powerful voice on TH-cam pointing out the corruption of both sides of all issues.
Brand saving face and trying to become more popular?
Russel Brand is the equivalent of a "Philosophies For Dummies" book.
+Mr. Clean sign me up to his dummy party.
+Mr. Clean Real fucking dummies, and it should be presumed they're reading it upside down because that would probably be suggested on the jacket.
One caveat: "Philosophies for Dummies" would actually make sense after you took your time with it.
+Isureamned Have you said anything better in your response?
"What you get eventually is a lifestyle of cardboard boxes down by the river."
I wish john had a podcast I'd listen to him talk all day
I respect this man for never biting his tongue a true Legend.
People died for the right to vote , spot on John
His line about anarchists still using motorways just proves how brilliant this man really is. Only those who have a full understanding and tolerance of both sides can have a truly informed opinion..
No idea how I stumbled across this video, but its given me the tiniest sliver of hope for the future.. Thank you!
I like John, however I vote Conservative here in Australia because I don't think its a great idea having loads of refugess/asylum seekers continuing to flood the country taking $50,000 payments from taxpayers for a better life.
Why should a nations taxpayers pay for someone from a third world country to get a better life?
You should never get anything for nothing, you need to earn it and accept what life dishes up to you and not take things that don't belong to you.
Socialism does not work, there are nearly 10 billion people on this planet and not enough food, water, money or resources for everyone so do the maths and stop refugees fleeing to rich nations.
Never vote conservative but he loves Donald Trump. Really John?
You could also look at voter turn out rate as and indication of confidence in the system. Maybe these people realize we live in a oligarchy and choice is just an illusion.
To be honest, the Swiss are the closest to having a democracy. It's not that practical with 100m or so electors
Nice to see John Lydon be real and not retreat ino caricature. He is so razor sharp and spot on. Love him
"Anarchists cant get anywhere without motorways"
That is a touch of genius!
There's a lot in this interview that I didn't agree with, but that was a great quote.
From a punk who actually performed a song called anarchy in the uk.
@@tednugent8501 he loves his motorways
I give the wrong time stop a traffic line
What the hell's he talking about??? The Pilgrimage of Grace managed to get about without motorways back in 1536-37
What I love about him is he doesn't just automatically go with the herd. Whether I agree with him or not I like that he makes up his own mind.
A national treasure, I'm not religious but God bless Jonny R, guy is a fucking legend.
"Mostly Older, working class men?"
🤣🤣🤣
You're out of touch woman!
Shhh... They're trying to put forth a narrative here Lovey...
Lydon's gotten down right charming over the years.
I never thought that I'd look on Johnny Rotten as the voice of reason but Brand and his predominantly left wing followers electing not to vote and then wondering why the Tories keep getting in is plain potty.
The Butler Did It Russel brands whole point is voting makes no difference. The WHOLE system needs changed especially politics.
Whats the point in trying to vote in the lesser of the evils when we should just sack the lot and start again, after all they are just public servants.
John Gray It is unrealistic to say "sack the lot and start again" and then not vote. The only way to start again is to vote for people who are not currently M.P.s. If there are no suitable candidates then start your own party, if it has enough popular appeal you will win, if it doesn't then it means you are wrong and the other parties are right or at least have more persuasive arguments. By all means stay home if you want, but don't fool yourself that you're not voting. In reality, there is no such thing as not voting: you either vote by voting, or you vote by staying home and, by doing so double the value of the vote cast by someone who could actually be bothered to turn up.”
The Butler Did It It's also unrealistic to vote a nicer MP into a rotten system, when its the system that's rotten not the MP's.
And don't you fool yourself into thinking if i play along with this system then at least i can sit back and none of these world problems are mine, because i voted.
Voting and not really caring about the system is worse than non voting.
Change will only come from the people, the bottom up. Definitely not from the top down.
John GrayGray And how do you think "the people" are going to change the system? They certainly aren't going to change it by sitting at home and kidding themselves that by opting out that anything is going to change.
I understand the sentiment and feelings that lead people to not bothering to vote but how does anyone expect to make a difference if they disengage from the system? The message this sends to the party in power, whichever it might be (or indeed all parties), is that you just don't care and that they have your tacit agreement to do anything they like: Destroy the NHS; we don't care. Drive people into poverty; we don't care. Make the already wealthy even more wealthy at the expense of the less well off; we don't care. Avoid paying your taxes; we don't care. Exploit your workforce to increase your profits; we don't care. Destroy the education system; we don't care. Make university unattainable unless you're rich; we don't care.
Essentially, keep the population in its place, deny them any opportunity they can't afford, make sure the 99.9% don't get any ideas above their station! We don't care!
It took very many years to win the right to vote, don't let all those campaigners who fought long and hard on our behalf down. Use your vote. Challenge your MP. Take an interest in your own future. Or let the NHS disappear, let your pension age get later and later. Let the family silver be sold off to the multinational corporations. If you really can't bring yourself to vote for any of the candidates, put "None of the above". Spoiled papers get counted and you are at least sending a message. For those who choose not to vote at all, the only message they send is "Do what you like, I don't care".
The Butler Did It all that you're saying is true.
All our assets are being sold off, the people are being exploited. There is 80,000 homeless people and 800,000 empty homes. They do put fluoride and other stuff in our water to lower our IQ's and make us more 'manageable' .
How will signing my name on a bit of paper stop a few rich families controlling the world? and even more, voting with 'none of the above', it makes no difference.
We need direct change, real irreversible change. A revolution.
No people wont make change sitting around not voting, or voting. the general population are soooooooooo ignorant and are too busy full of fear and hate for muslims, terrorists, ebola.
Not to mention people are working so hard these day's they dont have time to properly educate them selves, and the shit food and water gives them short attention spans to learning is difficult.
The odds are massively stacked against us, mainly because of the ignorance of the people and their fear of losing everything they have worked so hard for, stuff.
Future generations are going to be born into debt they have nothing to do with and very little personal freedoms (scrapping human right act, new terror acts)
Were totally fucked make, we have forgotten what it is to be a species, mainstream media is slowly dehumanizing people so murder is fine as long as they aren't white.
White people who want a better life are called expats, and don't get shot at. White is right is full of shite.
So you tell me mate, how will voting get fluoride out of my water? considering people are protesting for it now and trying to take people to court for it.
All we can do is try to wake people up so when enough people are aware of the bigger picture, we can go down to parliament house and arrest all these criminals.
"I used to think voting might change something. I learned it don't." Guess who said that? If you guessed John Lydon, you're right.
4:17 "I never preached anarchy.. It was just a novelty in a song.. I always thought anarchy was a mind game for the middle classes " :)
Vote for the lesser of two evils still means you get evil.
And even if you dont vote you still get one or the other, your point is?
Smells like it’s time for a revolution!! *trumpets sound*, *leaders get visions of the French Revolution*, *common folk get visions of the French Revolution*..... *heads everywhere*
But if you don't vote, your saying any evil will do. Which is the worst evil of all.
This is an unlikely scenario right enough, but is Brand saying that if there was a huge upsurge in support for both the B.N.P. and Green Party and they were neck and neck in his constituency, he wouldn't vote and would be telling all his fellow constituents not to vote?
@@adriankuba1 Point is it's just an illusion of choice, a farce, going through the motions, nothing changes with either of the two main parties in power.
"he's preaching all this from the mansion"
Oh dayum
When I need informed opinion, I ALWAYS turn first to remaining members of the Sex Pistols!
Steven Salemi And when they are not available , i poke a piece of Dog shit with a stick.
YES, i always thought about this... russel brand is a tool
Yes I have started my own idiot revolution, it’s not nearly so difficult as you might at first think, every day is a new idiotic adventure
He speaks so much sense if he was a politician he’d be great
aah...there's the rub! Tell the truth..and broadcast it....then the "forces within" will bring your downfall.
He was right about Saville and he is right about Brand
John Lydon: Cant stand his music. Always loved his attitude. Still do.
Changed his tune. He's pro-Brexit and pro-Trump these days. But Brexit and Trump are the choices of the working class, and both are anti-establishment and therefore punk movements, so I guess it was always on the cards he'd come on board
Gotta love John, he talks a hell of a lot of sense and he IS a national treasure 👍
Russell brand was probably preparing for next level consciousness, where the trappings of the past are irrelevant.
johnny the legend, always liked him, loved the pistols too, have all their albums.
9 years later and he's still spot on about Russel Brand
I watched a few of Brands Trews series as well as an appearance he made on Question Time. He's something of a carpet bagger in that he'll take the populist opinion in a lot of given issues to bring attention to himself.He has no real solutions and is a pseudo-intellectual trying to be a rebel and a man of the people! He's like a wealthier, more successful version of Rik from the Young Ones. Just another cardboard anarchist/revolutionary with hollow ideals which aren't ground in reality!
Hahaha russell brand like a rich rik from young ones. you funny 😅 he is. i never realised!
My one criticism is that it seems to me that Lydon appears, and let me repeat *appears* to be assuming that those who don't vote do so strictly because they're ignorant on the issues. By and large that might be true although it can be perceived as all too sweeping a statement. Some although they may b the minority do. If you don't know who to vote for then voting just could be an act of randomness which shouldn't be condoned either. I want people to vote because they know 100% who they want to do so for their own legitimate reasons. Perhaps Lydon is aware of this but I just thought I'd throw that out there.
UKIP aren't anti-immigration. They agree that immigration is a good thing but it should be limited, like it is in Australia. Anti-immigration is a BNP policy, a party of ill-educated racists, not a UKIP policy, a party that wants the 430 million people allowed to come and live in the UK quality controlled. If immigration is controlled and the people that come here contribute to the wellness of our country, it's a great thing. Who wants more criminals and more people on benefits?
Also this was 8 years ago, Lydon is now a Trump fan. Never say never. People change when the world changes, period.
He's a millionaire who lives in malibu, he supports trump for the tax breaks
Russel brand is an idealistic fool, but Mr Lyndon, the guy who moved to Florida, because of the low income tax. Hyprocites to the left, hyprocrites to the right 😂
You ok hun
Totally respect this guy. He has stayed true to himself through the years.
John Lydon is a very clever and articulate man.
He's also a Trump supporter.
lydon says nothing about vaccines in the same way he said nothing about saville for 24 years, despite knowing back in 1979
I've only seen one interview from the 80s where he said Saville was dodgy but I'm guessing he copped plenty at the time and it shut him up. Most of us can see Brand for what he is but - again - many tolerated him as an eccentric with money. I still don't understand why any parent would leave a kid with Saville - that guy was a born creeper.
Yeah but if I don’t believe in anything that any of the parties are claiming their standing for, who am I supposed to vote for if the monster raving loony party isn’t standing in my constituency?
He was once a teenage idol of mine. Now he is an adult idol of mine.
03:14 "Get smart. Read as much as you can, and find out who's using you." The best advice I've heard recently.
He's not self-educated and he hasn't read any classic literature because he's suffering from brain atrophy, gradually deteriorating. This video interview irrefutably proves that there is a brain cell deficit.
Representative democracy is not democracy at all. You get to vote on who is the figurehead of the status quo.
yeah right, cause we live in a democracy where elections makes any difference