I think it’s also worth mentioning that Willow has a chronic condition and production isn’t doing anything to make the sewing challenges easy for her. Kornbread had to get her a hot cup of water to help her regain feeling in her fingers. It makes me wonder how little they might’ve done to help Yvie when she was hurt. Production needs to be prepared for their queens with chronic conditions that they have no control over.
Reminds me of Jinkx really struggling with a sewing challenge because of her narcolepsy and the other queens just kind of making fun of her for it and making no attempt to help her bc her being behind was advantageous to them
@@_jakester_0444 I really hated what they did but I also know it was becuase of the stress they went through. I'm interested to see what production will do for as7
Another thing I wish they took into account is disability. I was pretty shocked for exemple when Willow was struggling to open boxes and NO ONE HELPED THEM. Willow should had have scissors, they should have hand warmers available, and whatever else they need. I wonder how many disabled queen did not go on the show for health reasons.
I was surprised by this too, especially with the inclusion/diversity storyline portrayed earlier in the season. Where’s the accommodation for willow????
@@ellehenny9133 it comes to show how oblivious people are when it comes to disability accommodations. people generally don’t care you have a disability because they haven’t been personally impacted by it. when they are personally impacted by it, they are more likely to be empathetic. people don’t have empathy. even in spaces like these where it’s all about inclusion & acceptance. sometimes it’s how someone is taught rather than them actively being bigoted. it’s a cultural attitude we have towards disabled people. it’s sad. i experience the lack of accommodation & there’s nothing i can do if there’s no willingness that others want to learn & adapt
One of the things I will criticize Eureka for is popularizing the "I'm a big girl but I can dance and move better than those skinny bitches!" archetype. She tried to challenge Latrice to a cartwheel off during the shooting of the Holiday Special, which Latrice and the other queens gave her shit for. Latrice has lipsynched multiple times, and won most of them, and she never had to do a split.
I've seen some great live performances by local drag artists, and some of them can really turn out a show without doing any cartwheels, splits, or anything of the sort. If someone can dance and move, great, but don't try to force that on others who may not have practised and trained for it. Some moves need a lot of strength and preparation.
@@jlbeeen : In particular, I'm worried about how Eureka's preferred movement style combines with her previous knee surgery and her weight. And, like, Sasha Velour won the lipsynch to the crown without doing a single split either, so we need to stop making stunts a requirement of a lipsynch.
Another thing! I think the judges telling Lemon that they weren’t impressed by her jumping into a split is SO DANGEROUS. The only thing that accomplishes is telling queens that they have to think bigger and crazier for stunts, when that is not something to be encouraged!
As a fat person I also want to point out that many contestant who were sent home were bigger queens. Not saying skinnier queens can't get injured (or older ones for that matter), but us bigger people have to be very careful when landing for example, not to put too much stress on our bodies. When I exercise I have to do low-impact training, because some things my knees just can't do. But with queens of every size being "forced" to do these dangerous stunts the risk of a more serious injury can be a reality, or when they are not taking their weight into account. Thinking of poor Ocean Aqua-Black on Canada's drag race who had to jump into a foam pit that was clearly too shallow for her.
Thank you that’s my point and how could I forget Ocean was lovely I really liked her on CA 2 ! Plus size queens just need to be more careful and the show should discuss this with them challenge or not. (Victoria injured herself in a lipsync so it’s not always about in challenges for those that say that)
I'm not a big girl, but I have shit knees from years of dancing. I can only do low impact workouts as well. Squats, forget about it. I remember the moment Eureka fucked her knee. I watched it live, could practically feel my own knee rotate out of its socket. That whole challenge was a nail biter for me. I was worried for all the girls. It's not enjoyable for me as a viewer thinking how anyone could get really injured. I don't think the cirque Soleil bs is necessary. If a girl is trained to safely do flips and shit cool, but some of us are built different and have other things to bring to the table.
i also remember seeing queens talk about flat out getting pretty nasty wounds from the design challenges where they jump over each other trying to find materials, definitely not the same gravity as these other injuries but further proof of production just hoping for the best rather than do at least a little prevention planning for the worst case scenario
Thank you for talking about this! Another thing that really bothered me about the show/ fandom that really bubbled up for me recently is the reaction people get for not wearing heels/ taking them off. I thought it was kind of obvious why Maddy morphosis was wearing flats in the first runway as she was crouch walking and heels would make that more dangerous and harder to walk but some people just got so mad about the flats. I understand that heels are seen as very feminine and can physically alter someone to look more feminine (i.e. elongated legs, blah blah) but being expected to dance and flip and split with those on has to cause an injury at some point and standing on stage for hours in heels would be torturous for me. I used to wear heels frequently as I'm a tiny woman who liked to be tall but it caused so much damage to my feet and now I only wear them on special occasions when I know I don't have to walk much (and also not have to walk much for several days after thanks to my fibromyalgia) and I'll always have some form of injury afterwards as I'm clumsy. I know you can get used to wearing them and learn to do tricks/ dance in them but that doesn't take away the risk of injury. Part of me also believes that if yvie wasn't wearing heels, her injury wouldn't be that bad but I don't fault her for wearing heels and am aware that she was probably used to doing that stunt in heels. There's also a lot of other injuries that happen during filming drag race that we don't know about that could be easily avoided if certain things were thought through safety-wise which sucks. There's also those attitudes of "beauty is pain" or "drag is pain" but that shouldn't come at the cost of your health and wellbeing in my opinion.
100% agreed. I remember when Ginny Lemon from UK2 had to very awkwardly and publicly justify to the panel that they were wearing flats because of their fibromyalgia making heels rather painful and I just didn't see what the fuss was about. A good flat can really work in an outfit and I do wish that queens didn't have to feel as though wearing a flat was a bad thing. The whole Maddy thing really confused me, I can't imagine doing the position she was doing and wearing a heel at the same time, not to mention the flat was more period-specific.
That’s like not wearing ice skates to ice skate because you can roll your ankle. Not everything is for everyone. If you can’t wear some firm of heel, drag race is not for you. Absolutely do drag. Drag is for everyone. But drag race is a very specific thing that most of us aren’t cut out for
@@WoodlandT that's... what? I wasn't aware there was a drag rule book which stated at least a 5 inch heel must be worn. And frankly, if drag is defined by such strict rules as that I don't want to know, that feels incredibly restricting. Drag to me is freedom, not being bound by arbitrary edicts from on high.
Bob has talked about the stage so many times on Purse First Impressions and thinks that a big problem is the stage not really allowing for a knee slide. OSHA needs to get in there and make production fix the stage.
Obviously the onus is on the queen to make sure the surface they're going to slide on is suitable not for the production to make sure every surface matches every situation that someone could possibly contact
I feel like a deep dive of seasons where contestants are unable to fill out storyline is needed. Your season 8 and 12 videos were amazing and have been your highest viewed, and I think similar videos exploring why and how storylines producers have planned out have been abruptly stopped due to unforeseen consequences are needed and I know you'd be able to ace them (e.g. Victoria Scone and DRUK3 which you slightly touched on in this video)
There’s some Tea on Kornbread’s Watcha Packin where she tells Michelle that she injured her ankle before drag race but didn’t get it checked out. Her antics on the challenge just pushed it to the point it caused that level of injury.
It was really jarring to see people make stupid comments about Victoria Scone when the casting was announced, invalidating her participation because they didn't see her as queer enough somehow. She's a lesbian, she's part of the queer community! And drag is for everyone!
people love to forget that without women, drag would not exist. women can do drag. it's such a shitty double standard to say that they cant. also, lesbians arent credited or noticed enough in the community. theyve done so much for gay and trans rights i love lesbians.
The idea that cis women or transitioning trans women have "an unfair advantage" is so stupid. No woman on Earth rolls out of bed looking like a drag queen. Drag isn't a competition of who has the best fake boobs.
They’re still picking and choosing where to accommodate queens - not even a day after Kornbread had to leave, they didn’t help Willow open those big Glamazon Prime boxes. Even if it wasn’t other queens job to help her because of the issue with her hands, what if she didn’t beg for scrap fabric? What if Production didn’t get thier cute little scavenger queen? What if Willow had tried too hard & hurt her hands trying to open a box!? Then she’d try to operate the sewing machine and boom, blood everywhere. They’d be down two queens in a week! All I’m saying is Production picks and chooses & production should have given the gal a box cutter just in case. Sure it made better TV, but between Kornbread and Willow they would have had a damn class action lawsuit I swear…
if you are uncapable to open a cardboard box with your bare hands then you should not be auditioning for any type of TV show or anything even remotely physically demanding The producers didn't force Willow to audition and go on the show she did that on her own knowing her condition she can't blame or point fingers at anybody and neither can you please sit down
Absolutely NO class action suit whatsoever - fans you really need to understand that contract and understand what a waiver is. Fans still keep thinking Drag race has an employment contract they dont - it is a GOD contract and you give up your right to sue. The only way you could sue is if they actually broke the law and causes serious disability or death eg equipment falling on you or the pushed you of a platform and you broke you neck, We have had over 20 years of reality TV and how many companies are sued - basically NONE as you sign a contract saying I wont hold you liable. So you can attempt to sue but you would not get anywhere. Fans dont understand the contract at all the think it is just about not talking about the show
@@RBRCR-se2gz In fairness Willow signed a waiver when she signed that contract *that she does not hold production liable for anything.* so Dannie does have a legal point ven if it is not ethical or moral when Willow signed that contract she acknowledged potential injury and not holding production liable for any injury, So whether prodction helped her or not would not be legal but courtesy if they felt sorry enough for her but they dod not legally have to help her. So yes Dannie is right it may be foolhardy for someone with a disability to sign a reality TV contract where you risk injury. But on a moral ground or ethical stance production and WOW are not nice people - point blank period,
Haven't watched the video yet (just incase this is mentioned) but I think its clear from the way S14 is going that they wanted Kornbread to go far, likely top 4. The storylines don't feel fleshed out in the slightest, and I feel like I don't know any of the remaining queens as well as we were able to get to know Kornbread.
Oh definitely. Kornbread had the most confessional time in the episodes she was in and she was involved in most storylines. Now that she’s gone, it’s like Victoria leaving UK3. The storylines fizzled out and I’m sure the scrambled production will show in s14 like it did uk3
Great video! Love appreciation for quieter moments of lip syncs. One of the most iconic lip syncs ever is Latrice Royale during natural woman with a pregnant stomach. I also love the gag of Tayce's lip sync of memory from UK2. The quiet iconic moments exist.
Natural Woman is, in my opinion, one of the best lip syncs in the history of the show. The raw emotion on Latrice's face as she caressed her baby bump moves me every time
I liked the wrestling challenge! Curating a persona is definitely something worth evaluating in America's Next Drag Superstar. The wrestling itself could have been more rehearsed and safe, but the persona aspect was very interesting and informative as to the queen's abilities.
I get that ! I love wrestling grew up a wwe fan so Yeahh combing drag my other love with another thing I enjoy was perfect somebody is missing a trick 😂
Sameee. Drag and wrestling have so much in common, being glamorous and physical performance arts, built on wild acting personas. They def could do a challenge like that again in the future with more precaution though; Willam and LaQueer ended up being pretty okay but that challenge easily could’ve ended up way worse.
I am bored of splits and tricks, but not in a way i want them to go further, I want more emotional lipsyncs! You can even do a good high energy lipsync without the stunts like this weeks in DRUKvTW!
Honestly you dont need like a ton of crazy tricks for a good lip sync even on the show. One of my favorite lip syncs of all time on Drag Race is the Girlfriend lip sync between Tynomi and Illona. They dont do a bunch of crazy death tricks but manage to embody the song perfectly. Honestly sometimes doing too many tricks can retract from a performance (see Elektra vs Vanity). I just wish more people learned to appricate the other aspects of a performance beyond "haha split go brrr"
obviously we know WoW tells the queens which runway categories are gonna be on the season (and a handful that aren't) so they know what outfits to get, but i wonder if they also tell them what the maxi challenges are gonna be. i feel like they should, just so that if there is a more physically demanding challenge that a queen feels like she can't do, she has the option to back out before she spends thousands of dollars on drag only to end up hurting herself in the competition. also this wasn't in a competition setting but another dangerous performance i've seen was when Kendra Onixxx accidentally set herself on fire during a fire breathing routine gone wrong.
At least in Bob the Drag Queen’s season there was no distinction which is what led to the infamous Amazon robot leotard on her roller skate runway. She thought that for that costume it was going to be a mini challenge, not that the queens would be roller skating on the RUNWAY.
I'm a drag queen and often perform at clubs. I love doing hyped up songs as well as doing slow ones and haven't had a problem with the audience getting bored, but I have heard people saying during other performances things like "Give us nothing, girl..." Just because they're not doing splits or death drops etcetera. Or even seen drag queens trying these moves while performing an ADELE song. So this is an actual problem and totally think it should change. Drag is getting dangerous.
I can't imagine! Contestants spend life savings, get loans, sell cars and belongings, to compete at a high level on this show. To be injured and side lined, from both the show, and home gigs... Horrible! It is life altering, surgery, physical therapy, medical bills galore. I feel for them.
i watched s4 recently and i remember the magazine challenge where sharon needles wanted to sit on top of a cat tree and was told "no" by production, i feel like that doesn't happen very often on this show
I agree with what you said about the various styles of performance. Not all performances from drag artists have to be thrilling and extreme. You don’t understand the textures of the art of drag if splits and twirls is all you appreciate. A good example is when Tayce lip-synced in the second episode of DRUK2. It was so captivating and jaw-dropping because of how Tayce embodied the song.
as a European the fact that they have to sign a part of contact where they relieve the show of any responsibility on its part is so disturbing """>_> this is a workplace. these queens are actors employed by the show (albeit in a very unfair manner). they are due reparations if injuries occur because they didn't get a warm-up with a professional prior to doing the challenge and if the challenge is designed in such a way that they are being unnecessarily endangered
With Ivey's ankle injury, they could have anticipated it happening. That's just how connective tissue diseases work. I dislocate joints on a daily basis and became a wheelchair user in my 20s.
I love Yvie's lip sync style, but I always cringe to an extent since I know how much could go wrong with her condition. My partner has the same condition and has their own struggles with it. I hope you're managing everything alright and hope you're staying safe!
Thank you, Jack. I, too care deeply for all the queens. Safety should always come first. I remember when I would go to a drag club and be satisfied with a great lipsync...you know there is is such a thing. The artist would perform the song like if was their own. There were no stunts, just a fantastic lipsync that the audience could feel. I've been watching RPDR since season 1, I feel like we are seeing less and less of the mini challenges, which are fun to watch. I would be satisfied with more Snatch Game types of competition, anything that would help keep the queens safe.
The video of Violet falling and hurting her wrist made my heart sink. I love that these queens want to show off their amazing skills, but their safety isn’t worth it. Your videos are amazing and I’m so glad you’re talking about this ❤️
I agree the drag con panel is a great challenge - especially if they want to crown a queen that represents the brand/can be marketing - this is the perfect way to represent it in a challenge. I think it should be the last challenge of a season - this is your chance to show how YOU can be the winner the show wants and needs
One challenge I would like to see back is the Pink Table Talk from All Stars 6. It was confortable for the queens but challenging at the same time because it required them a degree of sincerity we are not that used to, and since they set the boundaries of how much they want to reveal about themselves it does not come across as exploitative.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT BALLADS ARE JUST AS POWERFUL AS HIGH ENERGY NUMBERS! Two iconic examples of ballad lipsyncs, imho, ncredible are Latrice vs. Kenya in s4 to (You Make Mw Feel Like) A Natural Woman, and ChiChi vs. Thorgy to And I am Telling You in s8
1:40 - I don't believe Eureka had gone into rehab at the time this video was released. We don't know the details as to why they went in (or at least I don't other than their vow to beat their addiction) but I'm terribly afraid their injury from season 9 may be what's lead them to rehab today. Love them so much and sending her strength and well wishes.
The fact that jump splits are so normalized by this show too! I was an accredited dance instructor for seven years. Jump splits result in tons of knee, hip, and back injuries. They're actually very dangerous if you don't know the correct technique/alignment and don't actually have your splits. Yet, we see queens doing them all the time (or trying to, there's very few queens that have competed that actually know how to properly do even just a normal split).
@@thecurlythomas She's actually a trained dancer and worked at Alyssa Edwards's studio. I trust her more than many other queens to land it right, but I think she has called out that she's injured herself in the past.
Injuries are one of the primary reasons I really hate it when queens get read for choosing to wear flats on the runway. There are all sorts of reasons for them to choose to wear flats but honestly, sometimes it's for practical reasons like reducing injuries during performances. I don't know why they get mad when they choose to kick off their shoes during lipsyncs, because if that's what you have to do to bring a good performance without breaking an ankle, then do it. I know I would. You just don't get the same footing in a heel that you do in a flat or barefeet. These girls are practically professional dancers and yet they're "not allowed" to wear flats to perform in, when most people wouldn't and don't bat an eyelash when actual professional dancers do. I'm just waiting for a girl to break her ankle so badly that when they bring her back for all stars, she has to go the entire season in flats because of an injury she got ON THEIR SHOW. Disclaimer: I'm not saying the flats shouldn't be cute or go with the outfit. Just like any shoes you choose to wear, they shouldn't be basic. I just don't agree that choosing to wear flats automatically puts you at a disadvantage.
I get Tyra Banks flashbacks when Rue says those kind of intense dismissals like "you didn't push yourself" "we couldn't see the drive/passion/etc" "no excuses" "just try harder"
One of my personal favourite lipsyncs was Dovima Nurmi performing Mocatriz on Drag Race España. All she did was walk back and forth whilst appropriately emoting and it was fantastic. When the artist who's song you are performing to tells you that you improved the song with your performance then you did it right. 🖤
Terrific video. We need more of these kinds of videos to raise awareness as to the risk of being on the show and the need for a better safety environment.
So, like... do you know that you're drop dead gorgeous? Sorry to ignore the info within the actual video I just... haven't really focused yet / just started and can't get over how literally GORGEOUS you are.
I feel like Elektra Fence is the perfect example of the need for more in performances. Cause she gave the same type of energy for two different lip syncs, and it worked for one song, but not a different one.
Thank you so much for reminding everyone how important safety is ! And mostly that the essence of drag performance is to make the audience feel emotions and embody truth in their craft ! I really think it’s the core of drag and wanting performers to always go on more and more dangerous paths for somebody’s entertainment isn’t healthy. Mostly I really couldn’t agree more with you saying that someone getting bored by « usual » drag performance « standards » (so to speak) is because they don’t understand what is drag at it’s essence, and getting amused by people doing dangerous stuff tells us that it maybe is time to look for the reason for that! Thank you for your videos take care 🦋
Two things I’d add is 1. Basically the entire cast on S9 picked up injuries in the cheerleading challenge. Peppermint in particular was hurt badly and I think they shut filming down for a few days to a week while everyone recovered/was treated. 2. Kornbread’s situation was made worse by COVID. Kornbread said they rolled their ankle walking between the workroom stage to the runway stage. Just a random thing that could’ve happened to anyone. Basically stepped in a pothole outside. Before they even knew the severity of her injury tho she had to leave the show because to get it examined she had to leave the COVID bubble. After getting it looked at she would’ve had to leave the show anyways but the nature of the quarantine makes the risk that any injury this season could’ve led to someone going home.
regarding the push for more, i do think production deserves a little bit more blame if only because the producers mold the show into what they think audiences want to see. if production believes that having challenges with more physical exertion, more stunts, and overall more risk of bodily harm will bring in more viewership and more word of mouth regarding the show, then that's what they're going to include. i'm not sure what the best way is to convince producers that this is not what the audience/fan base wants to see, and i'm a bit skeptical that they would even listen, but i do agree that it's worth being vocal about. one last thing: bob the drag queen mentioned that she had encountered a similar situation to victoria's knee slide and attributed it on how the runway is tiled. if that's true, then we can ultimately place more blame on production for victoria's injury, because it would be perfectly possible to provide a stage that is safer for these kinds of tricks.
Kiddo, you are so damn smart & rly well spoken & I absolutely LOVE you & yr videos!! This reminds me so much of the Halloween industry wrt haunts. They had to get more & more EXTREME to top each other & be THE place to go.
I think you're so right about everything but I especially agree that people are wild about not having stunts in lipsyncs being boring. There are so many examples of ballads or even just dance performance that are jaw dropping without stunts. Chi Chi DeVayne gave us a few of the best lipsyncs ever, but her "And I'm Telling You" performance literally brings tears to my eyes all these years later.
Also that video of the queen sleeping Morgan used literally just fell during a lipsync and like used her injury as this weird example to blame her for “pushing drag too far”
I've been thinking a lot about Chi Chi's And I'm Telling You lipsync and how chilling and entertaining it was. The beads breaking on her shoe, the black and white make up making her look so ethereal, the sportsmanship of Thorgy knowing that she lost it fair and square, UGH SO GOOD. She was known for dancing and stunts and still pulled that out. That's what I think a good challenge does is really hone and showcase the queens' skills. Drag is not a contact sport!
I LOVE a your videos! I love how you give an insight on what production’s thoughts might be and how they reconcile these problems. It’s fascinating! Still not over the Acid Betty/Naomi Smalls video,
Let's not avoid the Eureka in the room: All of the queens whose injury took them to the doctor are obese. Obesity decreases their mobility, puts extra pressure on their joints - knees in particular which is why most of them had knee issues, decreases their stamina and increases fall damage due to excessive weight. Both production and the queens themselves have to be conscious about the fact that being severely over- or underweight in combination with high-energy movements is a recipe for disaster. Even if Eureka and Latrice have shown to be flexible enough to do the splits successfully, it is still a dangerous risk which must not be taken.
A side off note is that Ari Gato (Girl falling on her face) didn't actually do it as a stunt (I don't know who wouldn't figure that out by the security type footage with not a single audience member outside) l.akdndndn she was kinda upset that Morgan mentioned her
this might be a weird/creepy comment but i adore the sound of ur voice- i find it so soothing n enjoyable to listen to u. i swear u could do a video talking about filing ur taxes n id still watch it from beginning to end, just to hear ur voice🤍
It’s much like competitive sport. Look at Olympic gold winning gymnastics performances from the 60s compared to now. A kid is trained to do the same thing the 60s winning performance! That’s crazy! Everything is always about doing one more thing. To win, to get more views, likes, whatever it is to succeed. And social media is not a friend to that. There’s a point where the things that are dangerous but doable, become dangerous and deadly. And I never want to see that happen.
Océane Aqua Black's injury for doing the episode 1 photoshoot felt like adding unnecessary risk. I know that it's a tradition to do the photoshoot in the first episode, but why did they have to jump??? What is so draggy about jumping off a platform???
As someone with a similar condition to Yvie, that's why I'm hesitant to get into performance. And related to this, I know this was for Drag Race, but I think Dragula may have some blame with things being extreme. One of their contestants had burns due to a stunt that didn't go as planned, and then in one of the challenges, they brought out some stuff with fire again to show that they can face their fears. Then again, that's also the show that had people staple themselves as an extermination challenge, so I know that it's made to be extreme. But it still promotes a lot of extremes. Personally, if I were to get into drag and try and get on a show, I'd go for Camp Wannakiki, as there were some times that people weren't comfortable with stuff, and they accommodated it. It's also just such a silly and lighthearted show, which is a good break from the drama on other drag shows.
The difference is that that's what they signed up for, it's par for the course. There are quite a few drag artists that haven't auditioned because of the extreme exterminations, Andro Gin for example iirc. The queen you're referring to is Kendra Onixxx, I believe, and she worked with fire as part of her act, which is where she got into her accident OFF the show. Then she chose to bring out the fire in her Resurrection--it was her "ghost". Side note, if you really wanna perform, you should. You don't have to be a deathdrop splits kicks yas mawma performer to still be fierce on the stage, if that's any encouragement.
Seriously...you need to see an example of a riveting performance by a Drag Queen that wasn't an athletic demonstration would be Latrice Royale lip syncing to Aretha's Natural Woman.
So now that we're further in the competition it actually looks like they made space in the cast to have a double Shantay and a save with a chocolate bar! As they had to do the whole top two lip sync thing and now a double Shantay and at some point we'll get a chocolate bar save
Remember when they had drag queens wrestle? That was so dangerous. Even more dangerous than the cheerleading squad was. I mean, it was in MUD! They need to take better care of these workers. They are queens but they are also workers who have to live with the consequences of these injuries forever.
Is there an argument to be made that going home from injury (to return the next season) is a good thing? 1. It builds hype around a contestant. 2. They're able to raise their profile from the show but with an extra year to refine their craft. 3. It's an easy narrative for the next season. [Obviously, I don't want them getting hurt, but consider it a "glass half-full" argument]
Anyone who thinks lip syncs without crazy stunts are boring need to watch Latrice’s lip sync to “You Make Me Feel Like A Natural Woman” and Dida’s lip sync to “This Will Be”
I feel like with how Drag Race has become such a content monster, that any future queens with injuries will pretty much always be in an All Stars or Vs the World spinoff as opposed to coming back to the main season.
I still can't fathom that they had a queen of Ru's age doing a cheerleading challenge, lol. I mean, Charlie eliminated herself, but considering she was way older than the rest of the cast (and they made sure to remind the viewer of it constantly), I wouldn't be going around saying "oh I'm not doing that, its dangerous" or "oh, I think I'm injured", I wouldn't blame her for trying to keep up with the youngsters and then failing to do so. I just think the show and fans should've been more forgiving of her, considering she has a career that's as long as Ru's in drag.
Some of the small injuries bother me. Like queens burning them self with hot glue or stabbing them self with something by accident in a sewing challenge. Or using materials that aren't exactly safe (sharp metal or glass). Some of those injuries could get really bad if they aren't careful.
I’m not a Doctor but ankles are finicky things and can be ruined by just your balance & weight being off, once you go over on your ankle that can be it ruined.
This reminded me of the time dragula contestant Kendra Onixx got burned badly on her face while doing a stunt that she often did at her homebar. A lipsync doesn't need splits and tricks to be great and I 110% agree with everything you said
injuries and disabilities are a hard thing to consider when competing. with willow she dealt with it her whole life so she knew how to handle it, same with yvie and when you've lived with it then you know how your body works which means you know your bodies limits thus you know if you can or can't do something without hurting yourself. with an injury its random, unless you came in with a broken leg already, so you don't know if it'll happen. you can have the worst back and legs but you're gunna be like "i wanna win, lets see how this goes" then do a death drop then become paralyzed. i have a bad knee and if i kneel it will kind of pop out of the socket, idk why cuz i haven't gotten it looked at yet but it hurts to put it back, i have to straighten my leg out to do that, but because of that i know i wouldn't be able to do the cheerleading challenge and id say something about it. like i could do it i just couldn't kneel. to me eureaka took the risk and dealt with the consequences of it, with kornbread i think she just got unlucky.
If I'm not mistaken, Kornbread's injury wasn't from the challenge but on the way to the mainstream where she tripped. As we know from AS3 on how massive the Soundstage and Set is before the Paramount+ overall that expanded everything. It makes sense on how one can become injured between takes
I think they should wait two seasons before inviting them back. We saw with the queen who got covid that she couldn't afford to immediately come back. I think they need a little more time.
(Sorry it's gonna be quite long.) As a drag artist myself, I know I don't care a lot about my physical health because of the standards drag race has set up for our performances. I mean, for a lot of people who come to a drag show, their knowledge of drag is mostly reduced to drag race. RPDR is a show where drags are asked to perform with more stunts, reveals and surprises in order to win a lipsync for your life first, but most important the win the crown due to the smackdown format. We don't see performances made for the finalists anymore, where they can express all of the variety of their forming skills. We also don't have that much of emotional lipsyncs, such as Natural woman or And I am telling you, and that's unfortunate because when we perfom those kind of songs in a drag show, they are not that well received by the audience. I feel like people want more to be amazed, shocked, surprised, blown away, ans less to feel, cry, empath with a story. I wish we go back to the seasons 7 and 8 finale format, and we include in the show a bigger diversity of lipsync songs. I'm glad the girls group challenge for season 14 was a way to showcase a different vibe for the performances. About the queen injured in the show, I think ALL of them did or will benefit from their injury, in the aspect of the competition (i'm not talking about the health, the recovery, the money or else, just the competition itself). I don't think Eureka would have succeed in season 9 as much as she did in season 10, first because season 9 was way stronger than season 10, and also since her departure was so well received she could be pushed by the production as a fan favorite. By her injury, Yvie was able to show even more how resilient and resourceful she is, and embody even more the storyline of an underdog who thives under pressure. If she's asked back for UK4, Victoria will be able to resume her story of the first cis woman of the show but with even more spotlight since we are craving to see her compete. And kinda same for Kornbread, who I think wouldn't have succeed that much because, let's be real, even if her personality is gold, she was shown as not that good in acting challenge nor runways. With another year to prepare herself, transition more peacefully, and get readier for challenges and runways, I think she's more likely to destroy season 15 with more facilities. And actually, I think season 14 is maybe even better without her, in a way that her departure left such a void that it let everyone more space to blossom and reveal themselves, which is quite amazing. But enough about what I think, thank you so much for the video, for putting an emphasis on safety first. Let's hope your videoS will be watched by RPDR producers, because they are all so relevant and needed (especially the ones about Naomi and Elektra). THANK YOU.
@@SheaMF Oh no, I think she's amazing! But she wasn't SHOWN as good in this challenge! There was a lot of editing in the super tease, in order to highlight or not some queens, and to save or not others (Maddy disappeared not to be high, Jorgeous not to be low, they kept all the mistakes from Alyssa, etc). What I meant is that she was shown as strong, and then in a different mental place where she loses focus, and injured herself. This is why I think she wouldn't have succeed as much as expected, kinda like Angeria who dominated the first half of the season and then is barely shown in the second half. Except that the decline was already happening for Kornbread, to me at least. But I was so hoping to see her in season 15, but I guess we won't get to be amazed by her talents, on drag race at least.
I wonder what if eurekas injury was later in the season if she'd have been invited back, or if they'd be like, you made it pretty far anyway, ur good. Also you could probably talk about cynthia too even tho it wasn't an injury and she technically wasn't eliminated because of it.
Rumours have said that Ru and Michelle are in the UK right now filming season 4, and Victoria hasn’t gone missing from social media, so the rumour is that Victoria has been cast for Canada Vs The World
even the more "tame" stunts queens pull such as, dips, splits, jumps, flips, etc. are also extremely dangerous depending on the performers experience! people need to calm down and stop demanding so much out of them.
Another one could be Veronica Green from UK Season 2 who couldn't come back in the second half when they resumed filming due to her testing positive for Covid but was able to return as a cast member for Season 3 of UK Drag Race. It's good to see that these Queens that get eliminated due to injuries or medical reasons of any kind get to return to compete in the following season meaning they can get to resume their dream of competing on the show for the thing they love, that being Drag and the performance that it entails no matter if you are a straight person or AFAB or part of the LGBTQA+ community as it's great to see that there are people who love and respect the art form who want to do the thing they really enjoy. Hopefully Kornbread and Victoria Scone get to return for Season 15 and Season 4 respectively as I think a lot of fans will love to see them complete again and to go much further than they initially did on Season 14 and Season 3
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I think it’s also worth mentioning that Willow has a chronic condition and production isn’t doing anything to make the sewing challenges easy for her. Kornbread had to get her a hot cup of water to help her regain feeling in her fingers. It makes me wonder how little they might’ve done to help Yvie when she was hurt. Production needs to be prepared for their queens with chronic conditions that they have no control over.
Reminds me of Jinkx really struggling with a sewing challenge because of her narcolepsy and the other queens just kind of making fun of her for it and making no attempt to help her bc her being behind was advantageous to them
Production will not helps queens like willow because it makes for good tv to watch them struggle I guess? It’s really gross.
@@CryptP I know it’s all editing and they’re all friends now but the way Roxxy and Detox treated Jinx has made me really dislike them…
Like the challenge where Willow couldn't open the box and had to gather the scraps of already open boxes....
@@_jakester_0444 I really hated what they did but I also know it was becuase of the stress they went through. I'm interested to see what production will do for as7
Another thing I wish they took into account is disability. I was pretty shocked for exemple when Willow was struggling to open boxes and NO ONE HELPED THEM. Willow should had have scissors, they should have hand warmers available, and whatever else they need. I wonder how many disabled queen did not go on the show for health reasons.
It’s literally the bare minimum and they won’t provide. If I filmed this before that episode I would’ve 100% included a portion about it
I was surprised by this too, especially with the inclusion/diversity storyline portrayed earlier in the season. Where’s the accommodation for willow????
@@ellehenny9133 it comes to show how oblivious people are when it comes to disability accommodations. people generally don’t care you have a disability because they haven’t been personally impacted by it. when they are personally impacted by it, they are more likely to be empathetic. people don’t have empathy. even in spaces like these where it’s all about inclusion & acceptance. sometimes it’s how someone is taught rather than them actively being bigoted. it’s a cultural attitude we have towards disabled people. it’s sad. i experience the lack of accommodation & there’s nothing i can do if there’s no willingness that others want to learn & adapt
Yeah, I’m a little dubious about the way that drag race has has a cishet dude before a wheelchair user, or a mobility aid user in general, etc.
Or any lesbians! That were able to last longer than Victoria, or on the US series
One of the things I will criticize Eureka for is popularizing the "I'm a big girl but I can dance and move better than those skinny bitches!" archetype. She tried to challenge Latrice to a cartwheel off during the shooting of the Holiday Special, which Latrice and the other queens gave her shit for. Latrice has lipsynched multiple times, and won most of them, and she never had to do a split.
I've seen some great live performances by local drag artists, and some of them can really turn out a show without doing any cartwheels, splits, or anything of the sort. If someone can dance and move, great, but don't try to force that on others who may not have practised and trained for it. Some moves need a lot of strength and preparation.
@@jlbeeen : In particular, I'm worried about how Eureka's preferred movement style combines with her previous knee surgery and her weight. And, like, Sasha Velour won the lipsynch to the crown without doing a single split either, so we need to stop making stunts a requirement of a lipsynch.
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Latrice did a split against Monique...
@@MarioMVasilev she also did one in a mini challenge in season 4
Another thing! I think the judges telling Lemon that they weren’t impressed by her jumping into a split is SO DANGEROUS. The only thing that accomplishes is telling queens that they have to think bigger and crazier for stunts, when that is not something to be encouraged!
Totally agree!!
As a fat person I also want to point out that many contestant who were sent home were bigger queens. Not saying skinnier queens can't get injured (or older ones for that matter), but us bigger people have to be very careful when landing for example, not to put too much stress on our bodies. When I exercise I have to do low-impact training, because some things my knees just can't do. But with queens of every size being "forced" to do these dangerous stunts the risk of a more serious injury can be a reality, or when they are not taking their weight into account. Thinking of poor Ocean Aqua-Black on Canada's drag race who had to jump into a foam pit that was clearly too shallow for her.
Thank you that’s my point and how could I forget Ocean was lovely I really liked her on CA 2 ! Plus size queens just need to be more careful and the show should discuss this with them challenge or not. (Victoria injured herself in a lipsync so it’s not always about in challenges for those that say that)
almost as if being extremely overwheight leads to much higher risks of getting injured joints and bone structures?
@@brunoir283 Weight is not a choice for everyone. At the end of the day, It's our metabolism that will dictate it.
@@brunoir283 ok and you think people don't know this or something lmao?
I'm not a big girl, but I have shit knees from years of dancing. I can only do low impact workouts as well. Squats, forget about it. I remember the moment Eureka fucked her knee. I watched it live, could practically feel my own knee rotate out of its socket. That whole challenge was a nail biter for me. I was worried for all the girls. It's not enjoyable for me as a viewer thinking how anyone could get really injured. I don't think the cirque Soleil bs is necessary. If a girl is trained to safely do flips and shit cool, but some of us are built different and have other things to bring to the table.
just a slight correction. Gottmik was the first AFAB contestant on the show. Victoria however was the first cis woman to compete.
Thank you!
and first lesbian 🥳
@@LezbeOswald lesbian rights helloooo
@@hyperspace2752 yes he is. he couldnt be a trans man if he wasnt Assigned Female At Birth (afab).
@@hyperspace2752 She's a woman who transitioned into a man. meaning Gottmik was born a girl and transitioned.
i also remember seeing queens talk about flat out getting pretty nasty wounds from the design challenges where they jump over each other trying to find materials, definitely not the same gravity as these other injuries but further proof of production just hoping for the best rather than do at least a little prevention planning for the worst case scenario
So, don't jump over anyone......? 🤷♀️
Thank you for talking about this! Another thing that really bothered me about the show/ fandom that really bubbled up for me recently is the reaction people get for not wearing heels/ taking them off. I thought it was kind of obvious why Maddy morphosis was wearing flats in the first runway as she was crouch walking and heels would make that more dangerous and harder to walk but some people just got so mad about the flats. I understand that heels are seen as very feminine and can physically alter someone to look more feminine (i.e. elongated legs, blah blah) but being expected to dance and flip and split with those on has to cause an injury at some point and standing on stage for hours in heels would be torturous for me. I used to wear heels frequently as I'm a tiny woman who liked to be tall but it caused so much damage to my feet and now I only wear them on special occasions when I know I don't have to walk much (and also not have to walk much for several days after thanks to my fibromyalgia) and I'll always have some form of injury afterwards as I'm clumsy. I know you can get used to wearing them and learn to do tricks/ dance in them but that doesn't take away the risk of injury. Part of me also believes that if yvie wasn't wearing heels, her injury wouldn't be that bad but I don't fault her for wearing heels and am aware that she was probably used to doing that stunt in heels. There's also a lot of other injuries that happen during filming drag race that we don't know about that could be easily avoided if certain things were thought through safety-wise which sucks. There's also those attitudes of "beauty is pain" or "drag is pain" but that shouldn't come at the cost of your health and wellbeing in my opinion.
100% agreed. I remember when Ginny Lemon from UK2 had to very awkwardly and publicly justify to the panel that they were wearing flats because of their fibromyalgia making heels rather painful and I just didn't see what the fuss was about. A good flat can really work in an outfit and I do wish that queens didn't have to feel as though wearing a flat was a bad thing. The whole Maddy thing really confused me, I can't imagine doing the position she was doing and wearing a heel at the same time, not to mention the flat was more period-specific.
That’s like not wearing ice skates to ice skate because you can roll your ankle. Not everything is for everyone. If you can’t wear some firm of heel, drag race is not for you. Absolutely do drag. Drag is for everyone. But drag race is a very specific thing that most of us aren’t cut out for
@@WoodlandT that's... what? I wasn't aware there was a drag rule book which stated at least a 5 inch heel must be worn. And frankly, if drag is defined by such strict rules as that I don't want to know, that feels incredibly restricting. Drag to me is freedom, not being bound by arbitrary edicts from on high.
Bob has talked about the stage so many times on Purse First Impressions and thinks that a big problem is the stage not really allowing for a knee slide. OSHA needs to get in there and make production fix the stage.
Obviously the onus is on the queen to make sure the surface they're going to slide on is suitable not for the production to make sure every surface matches every situation that someone could possibly contact
just a side note, Oceane Aqua Black had a knee injurie in canadas drag
I feel like a deep dive of seasons where contestants are unable to fill out storyline is needed. Your season 8 and 12 videos were amazing and have been your highest viewed, and I think similar videos exploring why and how storylines producers have planned out have been abruptly stopped due to unforeseen consequences are needed and I know you'd be able to ace them (e.g. Victoria Scone and DRUK3 which you slightly touched on in this video)
maybe a Down Under deep dive since we all know Sc*rlett was the production's intended winner?
@@ikerfuk_ I thought their pick was Art Simone? That's why they brought her back for no reason lol
@@DearestClaudio you think no wins was gonna beat 3 (undeserving) wins? plus ru went as far as to FORGIVE scarletts blackface
There’s some Tea on Kornbread’s Watcha Packin where she tells Michelle that she injured her ankle before drag race but didn’t get it checked out. Her antics on the challenge just pushed it to the point it caused that level of injury.
It was really jarring to see people make stupid comments about Victoria Scone when the casting was announced, invalidating her participation because they didn't see her as queer enough somehow. She's a lesbian, she's part of the queer community! And drag is for everyone!
Even if she wasn't a lesbian, her celebrating the art form that is drag is enough to welcome her in to the community! ❤
people love to forget that without women, drag would not exist. women can do drag. it's such a shitty double standard to say that they cant. also, lesbians arent credited or noticed enough in the community. theyve done so much for gay and trans rights i love lesbians.
The idea that cis women or transitioning trans women have "an unfair advantage" is so stupid. No woman on Earth rolls out of bed looking like a drag queen. Drag isn't a competition of who has the best fake boobs.
@@naluzoniro SAY IT LOUDERRRRR
@@naluzoniro THANK YOU.
They’re still picking and choosing where to accommodate queens - not even a day after Kornbread had to leave, they didn’t help Willow open those big Glamazon Prime boxes. Even if it wasn’t other queens job to help her because of the issue with her hands, what if she didn’t beg for scrap fabric? What if Production didn’t get thier cute little scavenger queen? What if Willow had tried too hard & hurt her hands trying to open a box!? Then she’d try to operate the sewing machine and boom, blood everywhere. They’d be down two queens in a week! All I’m saying is Production picks and chooses & production should have given the gal a box cutter just in case. Sure it made better TV, but between Kornbread and Willow they would have had a damn class action lawsuit I swear…
if you are uncapable to open a cardboard box with your bare hands then you should not be auditioning for any type of TV show or anything even remotely physically demanding The producers didn't force Willow to audition and go on the show she did that on her own knowing her condition she can't blame or point fingers at anybody and neither can you please sit down
@@TitanicSurvivor666 how can you be this dense
BIASED
Absolutely NO class action suit whatsoever - fans you really need to understand that contract and understand what a waiver is. Fans still keep thinking Drag race has an employment contract they dont - it is a GOD contract and you give up your right to sue. The only way you could sue is if they actually broke the law and causes serious disability or death eg equipment falling on you or the pushed you of a platform and you broke you neck, We have had over 20 years of reality TV and how many companies are sued - basically NONE as you sign a contract saying I wont hold you liable. So you can attempt to sue but you would not get anywhere. Fans dont understand the contract at all the think it is just about not talking about the show
@@RBRCR-se2gz In fairness Willow signed a waiver when she signed that contract *that she does not hold production liable for anything.* so Dannie does have a legal point ven if it is not ethical or moral when Willow signed that contract she acknowledged potential injury and not holding production liable for any injury, So whether prodction helped her or not would not be legal but courtesy if they felt sorry enough for her but they dod not legally have to help her. So yes Dannie is right it may be foolhardy for someone with a disability to sign a reality TV contract where you risk injury. But on a moral ground or ethical stance production and WOW are not nice people - point blank period,
Haven't watched the video yet (just incase this is mentioned) but I think its clear from the way S14 is going that they wanted Kornbread to go far, likely top 4. The storylines don't feel fleshed out in the slightest, and I feel like I don't know any of the remaining queens as well as we were able to get to know Kornbread.
ikr - imo just like symone n gottmik last season, if anyone had winner/absolutely in the top 4 just from the meet the queens it was kornbread n kerri
Oh definitely. Kornbread had the most confessional time in the episodes she was in and she was involved in most storylines. Now that she’s gone, it’s like Victoria leaving UK3. The storylines fizzled out and I’m sure the scrambled production will show in s14 like it did uk3
Fun fact: Victoria Scone is supposed to be a play on “Victoria’s gone” but honestly even in the UK there are two different ways of saying scone.
There is more than two. Don't think you know everything unless you do
Great video! Love appreciation for quieter moments of lip syncs. One of the most iconic lip syncs ever is Latrice Royale during natural woman with a pregnant stomach. I also love the gag of Tayce's lip sync of memory from UK2. The quiet iconic moments exist.
Natural Woman is, in my opinion, one of the best lip syncs in the history of the show. The raw emotion on Latrice's face as she caressed her baby bump moves me every time
I liked the wrestling challenge! Curating a persona is definitely something worth evaluating in America's Next Drag Superstar. The wrestling itself could have been more rehearsed and safe, but the persona aspect was very interesting and informative as to the queen's abilities.
So true! The characterization was amazing
I get that ! I love wrestling grew up a wwe fan so Yeahh combing drag my other love with another thing I enjoy was perfect somebody is missing a trick 😂
Sameee. Drag and wrestling have so much in common, being glamorous and physical performance arts, built on wild acting personas. They def could do a challenge like that again in the future with more precaution though; Willam and LaQueer ended up being pretty okay but that challenge easily could’ve ended up way worse.
I am bored of splits and tricks, but not in a way i want them to go further, I want more emotional lipsyncs! You can even do a good high energy lipsync without the stunts like this weeks in DRUKvTW!
If you're bored of what the queens have to offer and want emotion then watch Hollyoaks
Honestly you dont need like a ton of crazy tricks for a good lip sync even on the show. One of my favorite lip syncs of all time on Drag Race is the Girlfriend lip sync between Tynomi and Illona. They dont do a bunch of crazy death tricks but manage to embody the song perfectly. Honestly sometimes doing too many tricks can retract from a performance (see Elektra vs Vanity). I just wish more people learned to appricate the other aspects of a performance beyond "haha split go brrr"
obviously we know WoW tells the queens which runway categories are gonna be on the season (and a handful that aren't) so they know what outfits to get, but i wonder if they also tell them what the maxi challenges are gonna be. i feel like they should, just so that if there is a more physically demanding challenge that a queen feels like she can't do, she has the option to back out before she spends thousands of dollars on drag only to end up hurting herself in the competition.
also this wasn't in a competition setting but another dangerous performance i've seen was when Kendra Onixxx accidentally set herself on fire during a fire breathing routine gone wrong.
At least in Bob the Drag Queen’s season there was no distinction which is what led to the infamous Amazon robot leotard on her roller skate runway. She thought that for that costume it was going to be a mini challenge, not that the queens would be roller skating on the RUNWAY.
I'm a drag queen and often perform at clubs. I love doing hyped up songs as well as doing slow ones and haven't had a problem with the audience getting bored, but I have heard people saying during other performances things like "Give us nothing, girl..." Just because they're not doing splits or death drops etcetera. Or even seen drag queens trying these moves while performing an ADELE song. So this is an actual problem and totally think it should change. Drag is getting dangerous.
I can't imagine! Contestants spend life savings, get loans, sell cars and belongings, to compete at a high level on this show. To be injured and side lined, from both the show, and home gigs... Horrible! It is life altering, surgery, physical therapy, medical bills galore. I feel for them.
i watched s4 recently and i remember the magazine challenge where sharon needles wanted to sit on top of a cat tree and was told "no" by production, i feel like that doesn't happen very often on this show
I agree with what you said about the various styles of performance. Not all performances from drag artists have to be thrilling and extreme. You don’t understand the textures of the art of drag if splits and twirls is all you appreciate. A good example is when Tayce lip-synced in the second episode of DRUK2. It was so captivating and jaw-dropping because of how Tayce embodied the song.
as a European the fact that they have to sign a part of contact where they relieve the show of any responsibility on its part is so disturbing """>_> this is a workplace. these queens are actors employed by the show (albeit in a very unfair manner). they are due reparations if injuries occur because they didn't get a warm-up with a professional prior to doing the challenge and if the challenge is designed in such a way that they are being unnecessarily endangered
Is it a European fact? Or is it a UK fact? Is the same true of Spain Holland and France and Italy? I think you need to do some fact checking
With Ivey's ankle injury, they could have anticipated it happening. That's just how connective tissue diseases work. I dislocate joints on a daily basis and became a wheelchair user in my 20s.
I love Yvie's lip sync style, but I always cringe to an extent since I know how much could go wrong with her condition. My partner has the same condition and has their own struggles with it. I hope you're managing everything alright and hope you're staying safe!
And your point is?
@@Imnotanoctopus83 they said no one could have predicted her injury
Thank you, Jack. I, too care deeply for all the queens. Safety should always come first. I remember when I would go to a drag club and be satisfied with a great lipsync...you know there is is such a thing. The artist would perform the song like if was their own. There were no stunts, just a fantastic lipsync that the audience could feel. I've been watching RPDR since season 1, I feel like we are seeing less and less of the mini challenges, which are fun to watch. I would be satisfied with more Snatch Game types of competition, anything that would help keep the queens safe.
Dude, you're so sweet. "I don't want them to get hurt." Def agree!
The video of Violet falling and hurting her wrist made my heart sink. I love that these queens want to show off their amazing skills, but their safety isn’t worth it. Your videos are amazing and I’m so glad you’re talking about this ❤️
I agree the drag con panel is a great challenge - especially if they want to crown a queen that represents the brand/can be marketing - this is the perfect way to represent it in a challenge. I think it should be the last challenge of a season - this is your chance to show how YOU can be the winner the show wants and needs
ian makes a rly good point abt how not bringing injured queens back would encourage others to hide their injuries!
One challenge I would like to see back is the Pink Table Talk from All Stars 6. It was confortable for the queens but challenging at the same time because it required them a degree of sincerity we are not that used to, and since they set the boundaries of how much they want to reveal about themselves it does not come across as exploitative.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT BALLADS ARE JUST AS POWERFUL AS HIGH ENERGY NUMBERS! Two iconic examples of ballad lipsyncs, imho, ncredible are Latrice vs. Kenya in s4 to (You Make Mw Feel Like) A Natural Woman, and ChiChi vs. Thorgy to And I am Telling You in s8
just noticed how you played two songs about being physical on a video on injuries, im crying 😭😭😭
1:40 - I don't believe Eureka had gone into rehab at the time this video was released. We don't know the details as to why they went in (or at least I don't other than their vow to beat their addiction) but I'm terribly afraid their injury from season 9 may be what's lead them to rehab today. Love them so much and sending her strength and well wishes.
The fact that jump splits are so normalized by this show too! I was an accredited dance instructor for seven years. Jump splits result in tons of knee, hip, and back injuries. They're actually very dangerous if you don't know the correct technique/alignment and don't actually have your splits. Yet, we see queens doing them all the time (or trying to, there's very few queens that have competed that actually know how to properly do even just a normal split).
Leganja Estranja (sp?) is most notable jump splitter. the shit she puts her body through is unreal
@@thecurlythomas She's actually a trained dancer and worked at Alyssa Edwards's studio. I trust her more than many other queens to land it right, but I think she has called out that she's injured herself in the past.
The season 5 water tank photoshoot Mini challenge could have been a disastrous one too. Did they assume that every single Queen could actually swim?
I remember Jinkx panicking because she couldn't swim
Injuries are one of the primary reasons I really hate it when queens get read for choosing to wear flats on the runway. There are all sorts of reasons for them to choose to wear flats but honestly, sometimes it's for practical reasons like reducing injuries during performances. I don't know why they get mad when they choose to kick off their shoes during lipsyncs, because if that's what you have to do to bring a good performance without breaking an ankle, then do it. I know I would. You just don't get the same footing in a heel that you do in a flat or barefeet.
These girls are practically professional dancers and yet they're "not allowed" to wear flats to perform in, when most people wouldn't and don't bat an eyelash when actual professional dancers do.
I'm just waiting for a girl to break her ankle so badly that when they bring her back for all stars, she has to go the entire season in flats because of an injury she got ON THEIR SHOW.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying the flats shouldn't be cute or go with the outfit. Just like any shoes you choose to wear, they shouldn't be basic. I just don't agree that choosing to wear flats automatically puts you at a disadvantage.
I get Tyra Banks flashbacks when Rue says those kind of intense dismissals like "you didn't push yourself" "we couldn't see the drive/passion/etc" "no excuses" "just try harder"
Point?
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One of my personal favourite lipsyncs was Dovima Nurmi performing Mocatriz on Drag Race España. All she did was walk back and forth whilst appropriately emoting and it was fantastic. When the artist who's song you are performing to tells you that you improved the song with your performance then you did it right. 🖤
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I had joslyn fox come to my college and she did a song and sat down and everyone sang and we put our arms up it was so fun and beautiful
She's seems like such a sweet queen! Love her energy!
How can somebody who went to college use 0 punctuation?
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Terrific video. We need more of these kinds of videos to raise awareness as to the risk of being on the show and the need for a better safety environment.
my favourite thing about your videos is listening extremely carefully to figure out what song is playing in the background
HAHAHA glad you enjoy it
I’m so glad that you choose to make these videos!! You are amazing at being unbiased and showing both sides.
Was it a choice? Or is somebody forcing him to do it? We will never know!
So, like... do you know that you're drop dead gorgeous? Sorry to ignore the info within the actual video I just... haven't really focused yet / just started and can't get over how literally GORGEOUS you are.
There's over 7 billion people on the planet... Stop being thirsty
I feel like Elektra Fence is the perfect example of the need for more in performances. Cause she gave the same type of energy for two different lip syncs, and it worked for one song, but not a different one.
Don't talk badly about Burnley
Thank you so much for reminding everyone how important safety is ! And mostly that the essence of drag performance is to make the audience feel emotions and embody truth in their craft ! I really think it’s the core of drag and wanting performers to always go on more and more dangerous paths for somebody’s entertainment isn’t healthy. Mostly I really couldn’t agree more with you saying that someone getting bored by « usual » drag performance « standards » (so to speak) is because they don’t understand what is drag at it’s essence, and getting amused by people doing dangerous stuff tells us that it maybe is time to look for the reason for that! Thank you for your videos take care 🦋
Indeed I forgot that safety was important as I walk underneath buses travelling at high speed daily
*in 2030* "bringing back the most ICONIC queens who have gotten injuries, break a leg ladies 😊"
Slipping “Gia Gunn opened the doors” into here is everything 😂
Is it everything? Or is it just a thing?
@@Imnotanoctopus83 who shat in your cereal?
Two things I’d add is
1. Basically the entire cast on S9 picked up injuries in the cheerleading challenge. Peppermint in particular was hurt badly and I think they shut filming down for a few days to a week while everyone recovered/was treated.
2. Kornbread’s situation was made worse by COVID. Kornbread said they rolled their ankle walking between the workroom stage to the runway stage. Just a random thing that could’ve happened to anyone. Basically stepped in a pothole outside. Before they even knew the severity of her injury tho she had to leave the show because to get it examined she had to leave the COVID bubble. After getting it looked at she would’ve had to leave the show anyways but the nature of the quarantine makes the risk that any injury this season could’ve led to someone going home.
regarding the push for more, i do think production deserves a little bit more blame if only because the producers mold the show into what they think audiences want to see. if production believes that having challenges with more physical exertion, more stunts, and overall more risk of bodily harm will bring in more viewership and more word of mouth regarding the show, then that's what they're going to include. i'm not sure what the best way is to convince producers that this is not what the audience/fan base wants to see, and i'm a bit skeptical that they would even listen, but i do agree that it's worth being vocal about.
one last thing: bob the drag queen mentioned that she had encountered a similar situation to victoria's knee slide and attributed it on how the runway is tiled. if that's true, then we can ultimately place more blame on production for victoria's injury, because it would be perfectly possible to provide a stage that is safer for these kinds of tricks.
what's weird is they have hindsight. they knew cornbread was leaving episode 4 but still edited her as a front runner the first 3 episodes. odd.
I've been thinking about this a lot. thanks for breaking it down
Kiddo, you are so damn smart & rly well spoken & I absolutely LOVE you & yr videos!!
This reminds me so much of the Halloween industry wrt haunts. They had to get more & more EXTREME to top each other & be THE place to go.
I think you're so right about everything but I especially agree that people are wild about not having stunts in lipsyncs being boring. There are so many examples of ballads or even just dance performance that are jaw dropping without stunts. Chi Chi DeVayne gave us a few of the best lipsyncs ever, but her "And I'm Telling You" performance literally brings tears to my eyes all these years later.
Came by the theme of the video, stayed also by the theme AND for how cute you are. Gosh I could watch you talking all day
Also that video of the queen sleeping Morgan used literally just fell during a lipsync and like used her injury as this weird example to blame her for “pushing drag too far”
One of the best lsfyl was Chi Chi doing “And I Am Telling You”. No tricks even tho she was more than capable.
I've been thinking a lot about Chi Chi's And I'm Telling You lipsync and how chilling and entertaining it was. The beads breaking on her shoe, the black and white make up making her look so ethereal, the sportsmanship of Thorgy knowing that she lost it fair and square, UGH SO GOOD. She was known for dancing and stunts and still pulled that out. That's what I think a good challenge does is really hone and showcase the queens' skills. Drag is not a contact sport!
Another fresh topic idea, love when a new Jackfed video drops!
I LOVE a your videos! I love how you give an insight on what production’s thoughts might be and how they reconcile these problems. It’s fascinating! Still not over the Acid Betty/Naomi Smalls video,
No I'm not over that video either? I've been sat on the sofa pondering it for 7 weeks!
Let's not avoid the Eureka in the room: All of the queens whose injury took them to the doctor are obese. Obesity decreases their mobility, puts extra pressure on their joints - knees in particular which is why most of them had knee issues, decreases their stamina and increases fall damage due to excessive weight. Both production and the queens themselves have to be conscious about the fact that being severely over- or underweight in combination with high-energy movements is a recipe for disaster. Even if Eureka and Latrice have shown to be flexible enough to do the splits successfully, it is still a dangerous risk which must not be taken.
Yes and Poor Kornbread was the best narrator and so great!
A side off note is that Ari Gato (Girl falling on her face) didn't actually do it as a stunt (I don't know who wouldn't figure that out by the security type footage with not a single audience member outside) l.akdndndn she was kinda upset that Morgan mentioned her
those album covers on your wall…taste!!!
this might be a weird/creepy comment but i adore the sound of ur voice- i find it so soothing n enjoyable to listen to u. i swear u could do a video talking about filing ur taxes n id still watch it from beginning to end, just to hear ur voice🤍
It will be less creepy if your photo wasn't a little cartoon.
@@Imnotanoctopus83 wdym a little cartoon, thats my face. im a waddle dee, it says so in my username
It’s much like competitive sport. Look at Olympic gold winning gymnastics performances from the 60s compared to now. A kid is trained to do the same thing the 60s winning performance! That’s crazy!
Everything is always about doing one more thing. To win, to get more views, likes, whatever it is to succeed. And social media is not a friend to that. There’s a point where the things that are dangerous but doable, become dangerous and deadly. And I never want to see that happen.
Océane Aqua Black's injury for doing the episode 1 photoshoot felt like adding unnecessary risk. I know that it's a tradition to do the photoshoot in the first episode, but why did they have to jump??? What is so draggy about jumping off a platform???
As someone with a similar condition to Yvie, that's why I'm hesitant to get into performance. And related to this, I know this was for Drag Race, but I think Dragula may have some blame with things being extreme. One of their contestants had burns due to a stunt that didn't go as planned, and then in one of the challenges, they brought out some stuff with fire again to show that they can face their fears. Then again, that's also the show that had people staple themselves as an extermination challenge, so I know that it's made to be extreme. But it still promotes a lot of extremes. Personally, if I were to get into drag and try and get on a show, I'd go for Camp Wannakiki, as there were some times that people weren't comfortable with stuff, and they accommodated it. It's also just such a silly and lighthearted show, which is a good break from the drama on other drag shows.
The difference is that that's what they signed up for, it's par for the course. There are quite a few drag artists that haven't auditioned because of the extreme exterminations, Andro Gin for example iirc. The queen you're referring to is Kendra Onixxx, I believe, and she worked with fire as part of her act, which is where she got into her accident OFF the show. Then she chose to bring out the fire in her Resurrection--it was her "ghost".
Side note, if you really wanna perform, you should. You don't have to be a deathdrop splits kicks yas mawma performer to still be fierce on the stage, if that's any encouragement.
I'm loving this Peridiamesque style of content. Keep it up!
That's clearly not a word and I refuse to engage....
@@Imnotanoctopus83 and thank you for replying to my comment
Jackfed you make such great commentary with fairness and good commonsense. Good job and keep it up.
Seriously...you need to see an example of a riveting performance by a Drag Queen that wasn't an athletic demonstration would be Latrice Royale lip syncing to Aretha's Natural Woman.
So now that we're further in the competition it actually looks like they made space in the cast to have a double Shantay and a save with a chocolate bar! As they had to do the whole top two lip sync thing and now a double Shantay and at some point we'll get a chocolate bar save
Remember when they had drag queens wrestle? That was so dangerous. Even more dangerous than the cheerleading squad was. I mean, it was in MUD! They need to take better care of these workers. They are queens but they are also workers who have to live with the consequences of these injuries forever.
Is there an argument to be made that going home from injury (to return the next season) is a good thing?
1. It builds hype around a contestant. 2. They're able to raise their profile from the show but with an extra year to refine their craft. 3. It's an easy narrative for the next season. [Obviously, I don't want them getting hurt, but consider it a "glass half-full" argument]
Anyone who thinks lip syncs without crazy stunts are boring need to watch Latrice’s lip sync to “You Make Me Feel Like A Natural Woman” and Dida’s lip sync to “This Will Be”
I feel like with how Drag Race has become such a content monster, that any future queens with injuries will pretty much always be in an All Stars or Vs the World spinoff as opposed to coming back to the main season.
I still can't fathom that they had a queen of Ru's age doing a cheerleading challenge, lol.
I mean, Charlie eliminated herself, but considering she was way older than the rest of the cast (and they made sure to remind the viewer of it constantly), I wouldn't be going around saying "oh I'm not doing that, its dangerous" or "oh, I think I'm injured", I wouldn't blame her for trying to keep up with the youngsters and then failing to do so. I just think the show and fans should've been more forgiving of her, considering she has a career that's as long as Ru's in drag.
Some of the small injuries bother me. Like queens burning them self with hot glue or stabbing them self with something by accident in a sewing challenge. Or using materials that aren't exactly safe (sharp metal or glass). Some of those injuries could get really bad if they aren't careful.
the creeper in your wall! lol so cute
I’m not a Doctor but ankles are finicky things and can be ruined by just your balance & weight being off, once you go over on your ankle that can be it ruined.
I'm not a doctor. That's where you're comment finishes
Thanks for your awesome content jack truly some of the best dr videos ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This reminded me of the time dragula contestant Kendra Onixx got burned badly on her face while doing a stunt that she often did at her homebar. A lipsync doesn't need splits and tricks to be great and I 110% agree with everything you said
He unwittingly predicted the return of drag con panel in season 14 😁 that was maybe one of my favs so far in season 14 too
injuries and disabilities are a hard thing to consider when competing. with willow she dealt with it her whole life so she knew how to handle it, same with yvie and when you've lived with it then you know how your body works which means you know your bodies limits thus you know if you can or can't do something without hurting yourself. with an injury its random, unless you came in with a broken leg already, so you don't know if it'll happen. you can have the worst back and legs but you're gunna be like "i wanna win, lets see how this goes" then do a death drop then become paralyzed. i have a bad knee and if i kneel it will kind of pop out of the socket, idk why cuz i haven't gotten it looked at yet but it hurts to put it back, i have to straighten my leg out to do that, but because of that i know i wouldn't be able to do the cheerleading challenge and id say something about it. like i could do it i just couldn't kneel.
to me eureaka took the risk and dealt with the consequences of it, with kornbread i think she just got unlucky.
If I'm not mistaken, Kornbread's injury wasn't from the challenge but on the way to the mainstream where she tripped.
As we know from AS3 on how massive the Soundstage and Set is before the Paramount+ overall that expanded everything. It makes sense on how one can become injured between takes
I think they should wait two seasons before inviting them back. We saw with the queen who got covid that she couldn't afford to immediately come back. I think they need a little more time.
Another great video. I am also happy to see people leave you very positive feedback.
they should just make a full season of we been in touch with the doctor.
(Sorry it's gonna be quite long.)
As a drag artist myself, I know I don't care a lot about my physical health because of the standards drag race has set up for our performances. I mean, for a lot of people who come to a drag show, their knowledge of drag is mostly reduced to drag race. RPDR is a show where drags are asked to perform with more stunts, reveals and surprises in order to win a lipsync for your life first, but most important the win the crown due to the smackdown format. We don't see performances made for the finalists anymore, where they can express all of the variety of their forming skills.
We also don't have that much of emotional lipsyncs, such as Natural woman or And I am telling you, and that's unfortunate because when we perfom those kind of songs in a drag show, they are not that well received by the audience. I feel like people want more to be amazed, shocked, surprised, blown away, ans less to feel, cry, empath with a story.
I wish we go back to the seasons 7 and 8 finale format, and we include in the show a bigger diversity of lipsync songs. I'm glad the girls group challenge for season 14 was a way to showcase a different vibe for the performances.
About the queen injured in the show, I think ALL of them did or will benefit from their injury, in the aspect of the competition (i'm not talking about the health, the recovery, the money or else, just the competition itself).
I don't think Eureka would have succeed in season 9 as much as she did in season 10, first because season 9 was way stronger than season 10, and also since her departure was so well received she could be pushed by the production as a fan favorite.
By her injury, Yvie was able to show even more how resilient and resourceful she is, and embody even more the storyline of an underdog who thives under pressure.
If she's asked back for UK4, Victoria will be able to resume her story of the first cis woman of the show but with even more spotlight since we are craving to see her compete.
And kinda same for Kornbread, who I think wouldn't have succeed that much because, let's be real, even if her personality is gold, she was shown as not that good in acting challenge nor runways. With another year to prepare herself, transition more peacefully, and get readier for challenges and runways, I think she's more likely to destroy season 15 with more facilities. And actually, I think season 14 is maybe even better without her, in a way that her departure left such a void that it let everyone more space to blossom and reveal themselves, which is quite amazing.
But enough about what I think, thank you so much for the video, for putting an emphasis on safety first. Let's hope your videoS will be watched by RPDR producers, because they are all so relevant and needed (especially the ones about Naomi and Elektra). THANK YOU.
Did you say Kornbread not that good in acting? Hmmm she’s actually an actor first, a drag queen second…
@@SheaMF Oh no, I think she's amazing! But she wasn't SHOWN as good in this challenge! There was a lot of editing in the super tease, in order to highlight or not some queens, and to save or not others (Maddy disappeared not to be high, Jorgeous not to be low, they kept all the mistakes from Alyssa, etc).
What I meant is that she was shown as strong, and then in a different mental place where she loses focus, and injured herself. This is why I think she wouldn't have succeed as much as expected, kinda like Angeria who dominated the first half of the season and then is barely shown in the second half. Except that the decline was already happening for Kornbread, to me at least.
But I was so hoping to see her in season 15, but I guess we won't get to be amazed by her talents, on drag race at least.
A drag artist? A drug picasso?
I wonder what if eurekas injury was later in the season if she'd have been invited back, or if they'd be like, you made it pretty far anyway, ur good. Also you could probably talk about cynthia too even tho it wasn't an injury and she technically wasn't eliminated because of it.
I love Kornbread as she was my frontrunner, but girl you know you injured your knee from falling off the table not from just walking 😭
Rumours have said that Ru and Michelle are in the UK right now filming season 4, and Victoria hasn’t gone missing from social media, so the rumour is that Victoria has been cast for Canada Vs The World
Great video! Now I'm wondering what would season 11 be like if Yvie did leave after her injury.
even the more "tame" stunts queens pull such as, dips, splits, jumps, flips, etc. are also extremely dangerous depending on the performers experience! people need to calm down and stop demanding so much out of them.
Another one could be Veronica Green from UK Season 2 who couldn't come back in the second half when they resumed filming due to her testing positive for Covid but was able to return as a cast member for Season 3 of UK Drag Race.
It's good to see that these Queens that get eliminated due to injuries or medical reasons of any kind get to return to compete in the following season meaning they can get to resume their dream of competing on the show for the thing they love, that being Drag and the performance that it entails no matter if you are a straight person or AFAB or part of the LGBTQA+ community as it's great to see that there are people who love and respect the art form who want to do the thing they really enjoy.
Hopefully Kornbread and Victoria Scone get to return for Season 15 and Season 4 respectively as I think a lot of fans will love to see them complete again and to go much further than they initially did on Season 14 and Season 3