I used to race late model stock cars at a short track in VA. Had a wreck my rookie year in 2009 and didn't have a HANS device on. I was only going about maybe 80 mph when I hit a wall head on. After that, we paid somewhere around $1k and got a good HANS device. A few years later I had a similar wreck going nose first into a wall. It didn't even hurt. When I got out and looked at the car I couldn't believe how badly damaged it was compared to how it felt in comparison to the other hit I had. The HANS device worked so well that it sort of deceived me into thinking I didn't have a very bad hit when in fact I had. That's how good they are.
Last February, a coach was driving and I was in the right seat when we hit the tire wall exiting Turn 4 at Barber Motorposts park. Data said, after a LONG slide, our first impact was at 88 MPH on the left front, which snapped us around clockwise and tore the rear quarter panels off the car. It was pretty violent. The next day, reviewing the video, I was shocked at how hard we hit. I was tightly strapped in to a 6-point harness, with my full face Black Armor CF helmet and RevX neck restraint and had NO soreness after the fact. BUY SAFETY GEAR FIRST!
I think it may be due to getting the wind knocked out of you by the force - I had a hard hit in the stomach as a kid, and remember sounding the same. Every time you breath you involuntarily make a wheezing gasp.
When I broke a rib, it really hurt when I breathed, and you can't take a big breath cause it hurts even more, and this situation makes you breath even faster, which hurts more, kind of a vicious circle,
@@duchenne_md6736 youre the one that went to read the comments before watching the video. That’s on you, dude. Don’t blame others for your own mistake.
They probably did put the flag out but it's vintage racing and nobody is paying attention. A lot of folks out there are "pay to play" drivers with minimal skills but lots of money. It's a gentlemen's sport with no prize but egos take over and mistakes happen.
UPDATE: I have had a new development. I had a patient last month, he fractured the lumbar spine in 3 places with a hybrid device and no containment seat. I think people have a misconception that a Hybrid will be the ONLY thing you need. Yes the Hybrid protected the cervical spine and kept the spinal cord from yanking the brain into the base of the skull. But That now puts loading on the spinal cord & spine in the lumbar region. Now a year ago I would have said the hybrid would be fine with no containment seat. But I was really surprised to see so much damage in the lumbar region. So even with a hybrid I would recommend a containment seat at all cost! - as in this video if you see the velocity he moved at. The hans did a great job stopping the worst injury which is the base of the skull.
As someone that lives with Chiari 1 Malformation I can tell you that having your brain out of the bottom of your skull is not fun. Chiari is a brain defect either caused by physical trauma or a congenital defect so we don't know if it happened from an injury growing up or if it was something I was born with.. but what it does is it causes your brain to descend from your skull out the hole where your spinal chord goes up into your cerebellum.. the lowest part of your brain where literally everything is initially processed. Having your brain be there (in my case 6mm lower than it should be) causes severe headaches from any sort of physical straining or even laughing/crying/sneezing/vomiting etc.. even a hard poo gives massive headaches. It can also cause issues with sight, sensitivity to light/temperatures, balance issues, trouble walking, difficulty feeling your extremities.. the list goes on. Unfortunately the only way to try to help it is to remove part of the base of the skull and possibly the back of 1-3 cervical vertebrae and opening the sack the brain is in (dura) and adding a patch to give more room for the brain to "breathe" thus reducing the pressure on it. They can't push it back up where it should be or give you a pill for it or anything. The reason I bring this up is that sort of damage/situation can be caused by the force of whiplash from an impact such as this, though often it can actually shred the spinal chord away from the brain altogether or as is the case in Dale Earnhardt Sr's wreck, a basilar skull fracture can occur causing instant death.
In ~2016 there was a fatality in CA at an HPDE event that might have been prevented by containment seats. Driver+passenger wearing FIA 6-points, FIA non-containment seats, HANS devices (to my knowledge). Car dropped a wheel just before a braking zone and went passenger door into a cornerworker station at ~100mph. Passenger survived but was badly injured, driver was killed on impact. The speculation was that the tire wall captured the passenger's head and prevented a skull/neck fracture, but the driver was not so lucky. I went out and bought a containment seat for my car the next week.
That's also a great way to get away from a railroad crossing.. too many cars stuck on the rails.. not starting, and then hit.. but I'd prefer to put in 1st gear for a more vigorous move ( or in reverse, if that could be the case..) Great comment, though.!
Hearing his groans sent shivers down my spine!!! I've been there several times... unconscious, hearing my own voice, gasping for air, not being able to control my emoting until I'm fully conscious. It's a scary place to be. I hope he never felt, or feels that again. May God bless and keep us all!
God has nothing to do with this, there is no God, and if there is he's a sick and twisted asshole who chooses not to help millions of people and only helps you if you are not gay etc. There is no God, make your own luck and help.
@@EdAb I don't need forgiveness from some made up space creature. I don't need to beleive in a god to be a good person either. Think of the billions of people that have been killed in the name of God, its sickening. Religion is a cancer on this planet
That's just a no. If the drivers can't see the flags, either they should not be racing because their attention is not up to the task, or the Marshalls should of done a better job with the flags. The only ones to have contact with a driver is the team.
I am not aware of any racing organization that can call all the cars on a track via radio. If the driver is so incompetent that they can't drive safely by the flag stations, they should not be alone in the car.
@@DaleCarterDrives A few of them does have the ability. 24H Le Man and F1 comes into mind, although used extremely rarely, since they don't need to when they can just show the flags on the steering wheel instead.
I was always taught that if you can see the impact about to happen and if you have time to cross your arms across your body with your hands flat. NEVER hold onto anything especially the wheel.
Now just imagine if he had the full seat to go with it. Assuming he didnt hold on to the wheel, that probably would have made it a relatively comfortable ride, as far as crashes go anyway and compared to this
@@awsomestleaperd78 A full seat in a nut shell is a seat that contains more parts to restrain your body from moving very far. It just holds you in on the sides basically so you cant whip as far as the person in the video did
bought a seat with "ears" since my biggest crash to date is going sideways into a tirebarrier. Don't want to feel my neck doing that again. Also, never race without Hans
@@oscar_bru8455 or worse things yes absolutely. The instinct is to grab and brace but really he should have hugged himself or put his arms up against his chest. ANYTHING but grabbing on to something really
100% did this when I rolled my subaru and if I had've just let go I would've walked away with nothing but I did sprain my wrist real good. Worst part is I know I need to do this but in the moment you just don't let go or even think about it.
I once remember making the same sounds he was making.. It was my body's sympathetic system reacting to the internal damage it suffered from a head on collision from a drunk driver on the highway as I was slowing down to make a right turn off to a country road in the far right lane. Luckily, I was doing about 10 to 15 MPH, but the person that hit me was doing likely at least 60 to 70 as she feel asleep at the wheel or rather, passed out at the wheel, crossed over the center median, she didn't wake up from the little bit of off-roading she had to do, before missing 4 other cars that were headed the same direction I was going, before the right turn was an attempted and BAM, hit me head on. I seen it coming, and there was nothing I could do to get out of the way quick enough. The trajectory she was on, at first, I would have cleared, which is why I started to speed up from the 10 MPH to 15MPH to hurry up to get further ahead so she would hit behind me and miss me all together by mere few feet if not inches? but after she off-roaded the grass center median, and caught about a foot of air as it ramped upwards onto our side, and when she landed on the highway pavement, her car steered and skidded as I could see the front wheels snap hard to full locked left turn, even though the car was still skidding straight due to the inertia of the direction she/car was going and that was just enough in that 50 to 75 foot to cause her car veer a few degrees further towards her left as she was on coming.. Pretty much like what and how it happened in this video, just the other direction, and on a straight-away.. I seen this video, I hope your driver is okay, that was one hell of a hit. even with all the high end protective gear and kits and rigging, that hit I bet was every bit of a 5 to 10 G's if not more, of a momentary burst of movement. In my situation, I had a seat belt and airbags (which, never deployed). Even though, the vehicle had been to service for the recall on the SRS Jeep air bag system at that time, 3 different times, while the warning system of the ECU or PCM that manages the air bag and restraint systems had not issues or dash warnings lights, they still failed to trip off from the frontal impact? The one right rear air bag that is above the rear door window, that one when off? LOL.. I didn't need that one, I would have rather the drivers side bags have worked? For all I know, the bags will only deploy or go off, if the impact is above a certain speed, and below a certain speed. Maybe the idea that them not going off and inflating, is to prevent you from being not only crushed from the frontal collision being pushed so far into the cars cockpit area, that the very minimal cavity space remaining, if the air bags would have went off and inflated, would have actually killed me, as the volume that those take up, vs what space was remaining, YIKES woulda pushed all my guts out every hole in my body and even out through holes it deemed needed to make? LOL.. I don't know.. But either way, I was busted up really bad, rib cage sternum and ribs, punctured lung on the left side, both clavicles broken, sinus plates on both sides of my face smashed into bits, broken eye sockets, both knees and lower legs busted all to hell, fractured hip joints on both sides, pelvis joints at the area of where the sacrum or spine connects at were all torn. so much more. Here is something I learned, did you know that you can bruise an artery or vein? Well, now you do, I do not remember what the scientific name for that is called. but, it is self healing with time and the closer it is to your heart, the faster it will heal, but also, is the most dangerous to be bruised at, logically. I remember trying to breath like this driver was doing, as he was trying to force his body to breath, in that state of physical trauma or shock to the nervous system going haywire. During that moment, thinking your sympathetic second nature ability to breath will just handle that during such a situation, nope, this driver had to, like myself, had to manually try to breath until the body reset after the nervous system calmed down.. which mine, didn't, due to how much damage I sustained. I lost hand and leg feeling and movement or the ability to do so, which was the body trying to protect itself further, and focus on the core systems. I thought I was going to be a quadriplegic sensing that inability to move any of my limbs. I do remember requesting God to just take me, as I do not want to be a burden to any of my loved ones, let alone, I could not be trapped in my head, and not be able to design and engineer and build any of my projects are just waiting for me to do them. Nope, God, it is okay, I kindly ask, just take me, allow me this one last request for being a free man, and just take me. I welcome it as it will not fight hanging on, just take me. I trust in your plan, but do not leave me trapped in a body I can't use. It was so easy to make my peace with that desire and understanding. Granted, that is not how things turned out, it was just my body shutting down to save itself. pretty scary stuff, looking back at it years later. The drunk driver, as I understand it, had minor cuts and bruises. She was a habitual DUI of alcohol to the point, that at the time of the accident, she wasn't even allowed to drive, her drivers license was suspended for life already. The car she was driving, had insurance, but, insurance would not cover anything, due to the owner of the car, although gave permission to drive the car, which normally would have been okay for coverage on that policy, they do not cover drunk driving claims, let alone, for a person, that was only given permission to drive the car, and was not on the insurance policy. add into the whole deal, drunk driving... I got seriously screwed on that one. she was sentenced to 20 years. with orders of restitution payments to me, ordered by the courts. Sound good right? Nah, she was released in 14 months. by the courts. as she was considered a non-violent criminal, and they needed space in the female prison. LOL.. that was several years ago. have I ever received a penny from her. NOPE. I have even went to the courts to ask about that, "WHERE IS MY $11.00 a week at?" as 11 bucks is nothing, but it is in my mind a constant reminder for her and how she failed to be a fair citizen. Nope, she just wants to act like noting ever happened and for get all about it. You know, if this was the other direction. a male drunk driver, causing this harm to a female, that man would have been slaughtered in the court system and never let out, while being required to pay restitutional payments. She was not allowed to leave the state, with out notifying the courts and in turn the courts notify me of her desire to leave the state. Nope, she was allowed to move to another state, and not even give notice to the court. Our system is broken. WOW, sorry for the unloading here, this video was rough as it brought up allot of anger that I had brewing. Please note, it is not the videos fault, the video is wonderfully put together to showcase the safety gear working to save somebody's life due from a heck of a collision. The fact that you have is caught on camera, you should be exceptionally proud of this video and all that is wonderfully demonstrates upon the racing industry's safety gear and how well it does work. Great job on this video.. I just needed to vent I suppose..LOL.. well, it there now.. free free to delete this comment if you believe it to be out of place or wrong to be here, as I will fully understand, and not be offended. If this were to happen, I would wish that I had all the safety gear on to help save my life, and bodily injury being at a measure of minimal injury sustained. Be safe.
Happy it sounds like you healed very well. I can’t imagine being in an accident like that, and I hope you are fortunate enough to never experience an accident like that again.
You shouldn't give up. If not you then who will stop her from hurting someone else? The reminder alone and garnishment of her wages is in your full control.
Thank you so much for posting this video. Some people may say that posting these crash videos are just feeding the internet's desire for Gore, but I think that for the people in the field (racing in this case) these real world videos are more persuasive than graphs and charts and the like. I've been able to get some of my wood working Buddies to change their ways with some gory wood working accident videos. Thanks again
every fucking YT comment section is full of absolute, tesla-level geniuses who actually know all the correct answers but somehow haven't been recognized for their amazing intellect.
@@enveloreal yes.. which is attached to the helmet to limit head, thus neck, movement the base is generally sat onto the shoulders as rigidly attaching it to the seat would cause the head to pop off the body in an accident the point of restricting the head, thus neck, movement is to prevent (or minimize) whiplash during an accident. so yes, it is a restraint device attached to the helmet. it is also a head/neck support by nature of where the device sits on the body.
I'm glad both drivers were OK, but man was that hard to watch. As soon as I saw the Alfa peak around the corner, I was thinking "please God no". Part of me naively hopes they were able to salvage it and the 911, but I highly doubt it.
It’s funny how people don’t understand how a HANS works. This guy had a significant impact that could have pulled the brain out of the bottom of the skull. I’m a trauma surgeon I lead a group where we’ve studied thousands of mvas. Racing and street both. So a hybrid will provide some left to right support. A Hans will do nothing for side hits. You have to use a containment seat for left to right hits. The Hans will only work for forward. This guy over extended way to far. His head whipped. you need a hybrid for sure. If you don’t have a containment seat. It’s not a guarantee you won’t have a basilar skull fracture of some type. 95% of my patients have had occipital & temporal breaks. That’s been present in 95%. 99% have been fatal. Also 94% of my cases the person only lost less than 50mph of velocity. People think basilar skull fractures are high speed impacts. That’s not the case. I had a patient brought in that hit at 20mph. Killed instantly . Blood, brain matter, spinal fluid erupting from the nose,ears,&mouth. Dale Sr. Lost 35-40mph of velocity is it. His was just like hitting a wall at 40mph. It wasn’t a 188mph dead stop like people think. He hit square. Had he bashed the side of his car. The partial head containment would have saved him. This guy here is so lucky. In a number of cases this exact thing has been fatal with people wearing a HANS. You need head containment or a Hans is no guarantee. It’s only for forward deceleration not left to right.
I was unaware that a car driving into your fucking hood almost square was a 'side hit'. I'm not sure what universe you live in that you can look at the above and not classify that as a frontal impact. There isn't a chance in hell the head restraint didn't reduce whatever injury he might have otherwise sustained in that crash.
@@Tk3997 I concur 100%. Either klk isn't really a trauma surgeon, or s/he isn't watching the same video, or isn't using "front" and "side" the way I use those words. I saw a front-on collision, maybe not perfectly straight on, but close enough, with effectively a head-on crash at racing speeds, and the 911 driver's head stayed attached and that is what a HANS is for. I am willing to consider a hybrid because safer is better, but I saw this as a neck flexion issue from "front" impact which can totally be fatal even at lower speeds (especially with my big head).
@@Tk3997 you’re stone cold stupid if you think that was an “almost square” hit. The direction of the head movement shows that. There was plenty of angle there.
@@Tk3997 Stationary car was angled more than 30 degrees relative to the incoming one. That means frontal/lateral force vectors are almost equally split, which in turn means very strong lateral impact on his head. You can see how strong it was from the head movement. Luckily it was not strong enough to make permanent head/neck damage. HANS certainly helped with the frontal force component, but not much with lateral.
Everyone who's been involved in a crash that he saw coming knows the gut wrenching feeling when you know the crash is gonna happen in a moment but you cant do anything about it.
For anyone wondering why is he sounding like that, its because the hit to your ribs means you have to take short breaths that hurt every time you breath
OUCH, I wore a Simpson Hybrid S for my first track day, at first it felt restrictive but after I got used to it was actually very nice. I went off track once but was able to get back on with no spin out, id rather wear a HANS/Hybrid than not wear one. The Hybrid also has forward tethers and if you tighten them down enough they restrict your sideways movement to a degree, but still not it's main purpose.
For 16 years of Karting have always worn a neck brace . Have also done double duty as a track marshal since 2011. Have seen things get ugly real fast . Having your head as stable as possible a good thing ! Also never get in kart without kneepads to protect inside of knees !
I've always worn a Hans and used a halo seat. People always whined that Hans were uncomfortable when they were first mandated. You don't hear it nearly as much. Almost like people got over themselves.
I went from a neckbrace to a HANS device, and let me tell you, the HANS is *way* more comfortable and just better in general. Not only is it safer, but it's liberating af to be able to race with nothing around your neck. Really great.
Can't believe the red car tried to hold his line instead of bailing out to the right which appeared to be wide open grass. He had every opportunity to avoid the crash even though it happened quickly.
Made me Cry.. so sad ,, the carbs flooded the aircooled flat 6 during the spin.. so it didnt restart to move safely out of the way.. hope they both are recovered, sad loss of a 911.
@@jonathan5010 you always pull your hands in and your feet if possible in a wreck. Ion if you have your license yet but make sure you learn more before hurting yourself.
@@jonathan5010 Absolutely not. You'll do nothing but break your wrists and tear tendons. You can't hold yourself still anyways, and the harder you try, the more you do damage.
@@blest5132 You can learn to brace with your arms crossed on your chest. You see racing drivers do this all the time. It's different in your 89 toyota camry but in a racecar it's easily the best option.
The Hams device did its job only issue I saw was he put his hand on the wheel which with that impact could brake atleast 1 if not both hands and/or wrists. Best thing to do when some sort of front impact like that is about to occur is to place your hands over your chest (usually holding onto the seatbelts) to avoid as much injury as possible. It was a very nasty hit yes, and it did definitely knock the wind out of him regardless of what he did or could have done.
It didn't do anything here as the seat failed to prevent his neck from snapping sideways. This collision is not what HANS device is designed for (forward head on collision). He also needs a containment seat and nets to prevent sideways movement. There was a driver that was killed on a track on Quebec in a 30 degrees collision because he did not use containment seat and safety nets.
Also make sure your harness is extra tight, noticed a lot of movement in his safety harness at the shoulders. I always get someone outside the car to finish tightening them to make sure theres no movement
Damn, that hit looked brutal! And the car that hit you was of the same manufacturer that my dad drove when he raced. I know I wouldn’t turn a wheel in anger without wearing a HANS device (which wasn’t much of a thing back when my dad was racing).
Lots of comments on here about officials not showing a yellow flag; trust me, I DO wave those things, and many drivers do nothing at all (if they actually see flags at all). There are plenty that take the chequered flag more than once (I've seen three times!). I'm willing to bet a flag was shown but not acted on - and in those conditions it just takes a slight delay in response and the oncoming driver wont be able to do anything to avoid an incident. Motorsport is high energy, so inherently dangerous; safety measures are always improving, and serious injuries are decreasing, but its never going to be safe - don't understand the risks, don't participate. Use ALL the safety kit, and if you respect the Orange army, obey the yellow flags (our lives depend on it, and we don't have a metal box with a reinforced cage to take the impact). Keep it safe, or at least as safe as we reasonably can. EDIT: The incident starts at 1:19 when it's just possible the driver wont catch it (but still not certain its flag-worthy) and I can see the flag point for less than 1 second at 1:20. There is no flag deployed at that point because it takes about two seconds to lift it up and put it out (as well as not being necessary by then - don't disrupt the racing if the car might recover and continue before you can get the flag out and a driver seeing it will have time to use that information before being past the incident). Then, after the incident the car doesn't spin far enough to see the flag point again, so anyone commenting about there being no flag show, or blaming officials, what's your evidence? I can't see if there was a flag when there should be one, or not.
fellow marshall here, can confirm. the amount of times I've seen people ignore flags and getting in trouble of their own is astonishing. people forget that we're there for THEIR safety.
@@DaleCarterDrives Depends on the series; some club level drivers don't look far enough, some higher performance drivers are looking very far ahead. The trick is to wave the flag when its in their line of sight, so the movement attracts their attention (e.g. for a flag post on the exit of a curve, they are looking at the exit just before they are at the apex). When flagging, we have to adjust for the behaviour of the grid on the day - they vary; even low sun or a wet track or a close contest makes them look and behave differently.
Alfa driver was offline (wide) and moving fast. If he had perfect anticipation, he might have turned right, but then he'd be off-track in wet grass at very high speeds. Not a great option.. Racing means driving at the limit, and when you're at the limit it is hard to change course. Sometimes there is nothing you can do.
Context was, "driving at the limit" and I was pointing out it was waving yellow and no you shouldn't drive at the limit in those conditions especially in a crowd.
The Porsche was sitting on the "side" of the track. In fact the two drivers side wheels were off the pavement. The correct line through the corner is on the other side of the track. If you watch the video before he starts to spin you can see the corner station. That is the apex for the corner not over on the other side of the track where the Porsche was stopped. The Alfa driver ignored TWO yellow flags and was trying to pass the cars that had moved over and were running slower than normal. He looked up and drove straight in to the Porsche because you go where you are looking. He NEVER TRIED to do any evasive action other than hit his brakes. The Porsche driver hit his chest on the steering wheel and could not get a full breath of air thus the moaning. Oh and the Porsche drive was sited by the organization that he was 100 % responsible for causing the accident. :{)
That's a really good point about the corner station-- the Alfa driver surely blasted past at least one yellow flag. I would think that would make him responsible for the accident. What'd the Porsche driver do wrong? Oversteer?
A little late to the party...but you can see through T1 and 2 when you're coming down off the front straight. Really not much of an excuse for the Alfa driver to ram into the car. And this is the reason why I'm hesitant to race wheel to wheel. All too often I see drivers oblivious to flags.
Exactly. That Porsche driver had ages to move off onto the grass and turn around, and the first rule of thumb when you spin is to spin with the clutch feathered so that you can drive out. Instead he sat there like a waiting duck, and released the clutch during the spin causing the car to stall out.
I'm super late to the party, but it is hard to tell with the car spinning, but it seems like the 911 was stuck at the trackout of turn 2. I guess vintage cars take a tighter line than Spec Miata... or more likely most had seen the yellow flags and were staying tight. One thing I did to my car before racing was to remove the neutral safety switch, so in an emergency situation I could use the starter to move the car off the track. That would have been handy here. And yes, I raced with a HANS but also a halo seat and right side net based on all the research. Crashing in Spec Miata is almost a guarantee and we all had jobs and families to go back to. I'm glad both drivers were OK. I miss racing and will miss TWS if I ever get back to racing in the future.
Don't know why this is suddenly recommended to me but it happens to be the 25th year anniversary of me being in a very similar position doing a shakedown on a customer car. I had no HANS then and I still have nerve and spine issues from it.
@@jsa3397 not at all the car is allready on a turn that is forcing car to the outside,much less effort to turn to the right and go around the car than to as you say brake and turn back inward.its physics after all and they dont lie.
1:30 Put it in 2nd Gear, release the clutch, and hit the starter motor to get off the track. If your race car has a starter lock-out on the clutch pedal, then modify it to remove that (anti-) safety feature. Once upon a time, I used this process instinctively to get my stalled and flooded car out from in front of an approaching truck.
Yeah I have one and don't regret it for a second. Even though I just do timetrail/trackdays, no matter how magnificent we are, sometimes stuff happens that's completely out of our control...
Definitely late to this party but how long did he sit before safety crews arrived , Marshall’s might of had the yellow out and it just got ignored but he was a sitting duck too. Multiple mistakes that could of got 2 people killed
When the car stalled, the danger just got exponentially higher And then the Alfa took the outer line.. Remember, people... *Get a HANS. Its important* *When an impact is imminent, hands off the wheel* *Brace yourself, cross your arms on your chest* These three things can save your ass more than you think.
So sad that TWS is no longer a track, rather track homes. T1 and T2 complex typically has a flag station track left, near T2 apex. I suspect the driver who hit the Porsche had his vision blocked by the line of cars to his left. Many Porsches are equipped with an inertia switch that kills power to the fuel pump when loaded with several Gs. Requires a key cycle or two to reset. Saw a TT Carrera roast in the weeds inside T4 when the driver dropped two off driver's left, spun across the track and backed it off the T4 exit. Couldn't get it restarted and the turbos caught the grass on fire. First time I heard about the inertia "safety" switch.
You'd be surprised at how much energy there is in a crash. Look at my crash here - th-cam.com/video/pAUIfYs5Dz0/w-d-xo.html - I had the harness done up as tight as possible as I always do, and that was a custom fitted FIA rated (at the time) seat as well. The new race car has a seat with ears/wings now!
Damn,. Other driver should've just gone off to his right. I've spent some time exploring that field; it's not pleasant, but it's survivable. Glad you made it.
@@markhanna6955 Be that as it may, it was still in the outside of the corner and on the asphalt, where someone overtaking, or like this driver, slipping out of control is likely to end up. cranking it fully off the track wouldve prevented that hit.
Do not f around with neck injury. You can bang your skull all kinds of ways but one bad cervical disc injury and you wont be using your legs and arms any more.
My car owner died from basal skull fracture... is no joke and he would not wear a hans... this wreck? easy to armchair it but the car that hit him could have just taken the off track route... need a lot of time and experience to make that call in time... am guessing driver is ok now?
No yellow flags? He could have gone wide to avoid unless it was Stevie on one of his days out. Where were you racing? Tesco car park? Lucky not to have serious injury there.
The hell were those two in the middle of during a damn yellow flag? Good lord this is what marshals stand in wind, snow, rain, and all the other garbage to prevent; and let us have a good time.
I used to race late model stock cars at a short track in VA. Had a wreck my rookie year in 2009 and didn't have a HANS device on. I was only going about maybe 80 mph when I hit a wall head on. After that, we paid somewhere around $1k and got a good HANS device. A few years later I had a similar wreck going nose first into a wall. It didn't even hurt. When I got out and looked at the car I couldn't believe how badly damaged it was compared to how it felt in comparison to the other hit I had. The HANS device worked so well that it sort of deceived me into thinking I didn't have a very bad hit when in fact I had. That's how good they are.
Good chance it saved your neck to
Yeah I’ve been there man.. glad you got one
Whats wrong with you going head first into walls?🤨
@@redtail1. accidents happen
Last February, a coach was driving and I was in the right seat when we hit the tire wall exiting Turn 4 at Barber Motorposts park. Data said, after a LONG slide, our first impact was at 88 MPH on the left front, which snapped us around clockwise and tore the rear quarter panels off the car. It was pretty violent. The next day, reviewing the video, I was shocked at how hard we hit. I was tightly strapped in to a 6-point harness, with my full face Black Armor CF helmet and RevX neck restraint and had NO soreness after the fact.
BUY SAFETY GEAR FIRST!
Honestly I'd be making the same sounds after a hit like that. Easily could have been a much worse crash.
It's the alarm of the car.
Agreed but it's really weird how they're all almost the exact same pitch lol
@@22Epic My thoughts exactly lmfao
I think it may be due to getting the wind knocked out of you by the force - I had a hard hit in the stomach as a kid, and remember sounding the same. Every time you breath you involuntarily make a wheezing gasp.
When I broke a rib, it really hurt when I breathed, and you can't take a big breath cause it hurts even more, and this situation makes you breath even faster, which hurts more, kind of a vicious circle,
The driver went forward first and then to the right. So yes the HANS did have an effect.
Thanks Flash!
This shows the importance of seats with shoulder and head restraints.
Way to spoil the ending
@@duchenne_md6736 youre the one that went to read the comments before watching the video. That’s on you, dude. Don’t blame others for your own mistake.
@@0for30 well it is pinned or the front of the video so… it is not hard to spot
The track officials should have put out a yellow flag!
You're a genius.
@@davidtx8777 lol
Yes they should have, there mistake could've cost this dude his life!
That was my first thought where’s the yellows ?!
They probably did put the flag out but it's vintage racing and nobody is paying attention. A lot of folks out there are "pay to play" drivers with minimal skills but lots of money. It's a gentlemen's sport with no prize but egos take over and mistakes happen.
UPDATE: I have had a new development. I had a patient last month, he fractured the lumbar spine in 3 places with a hybrid device and no containment seat. I think people have a misconception that a Hybrid will be the ONLY thing you need. Yes the Hybrid protected the cervical spine and kept the spinal cord from yanking the brain into the base of the skull. But That now puts loading on the spinal cord & spine in the lumbar region. Now a year ago I would have said the hybrid would be fine with no containment seat. But I was really surprised to see so much damage in the lumbar region. So even with a hybrid I would recommend a containment seat at all cost! - as in this video if you see the velocity he moved at. The hans did a great job stopping the worst injury which is the base of the skull.
I like your funny words magic man
Brilliant to see medical workers here in the comments adding some insider info to this subject. Thank you for doing what you do.
As someone that lives with Chiari 1 Malformation I can tell you that having your brain out of the bottom of your skull is not fun. Chiari is a brain defect either caused by physical trauma or a congenital defect so we don't know if it happened from an injury growing up or if it was something I was born with.. but what it does is it causes your brain to descend from your skull out the hole where your spinal chord goes up into your cerebellum.. the lowest part of your brain where literally everything is initially processed. Having your brain be there (in my case 6mm lower than it should be) causes severe headaches from any sort of physical straining or even laughing/crying/sneezing/vomiting etc.. even a hard poo gives massive headaches. It can also cause issues with sight, sensitivity to light/temperatures, balance issues, trouble walking, difficulty feeling your extremities.. the list goes on. Unfortunately the only way to try to help it is to remove part of the base of the skull and possibly the back of 1-3 cervical vertebrae and opening the sack the brain is in (dura) and adding a patch to give more room for the brain to "breathe" thus reducing the pressure on it. They can't push it back up where it should be or give you a pill for it or anything.
The reason I bring this up is that sort of damage/situation can be caused by the force of whiplash from an impact such as this, though often it can actually shred the spinal chord away from the brain altogether or as is the case in Dale Earnhardt Sr's wreck, a basilar skull fracture can occur causing instant death.
HANS device not hybrid. HANS standing for head and neck restraintsystem
In ~2016 there was a fatality in CA at an HPDE event that might have been prevented by containment seats. Driver+passenger wearing FIA 6-points, FIA non-containment seats, HANS devices (to my knowledge). Car dropped a wheel just before a braking zone and went passenger door into a cornerworker station at ~100mph. Passenger survived but was badly injured, driver was killed on impact. The speculation was that the tire wall captured the passenger's head and prevented a skull/neck fracture, but the driver was not so lucky. I went out and bought a containment seat for my car the next week.
This is why I use the starter to get out of the way. Put it in second gear and hit the starter and start letting out the clutch.
That's also a great way to get away from a railroad crossing.. too many cars stuck on the rails.. not starting, and then hit.. but I'd prefer to put in 1st gear for a more vigorous move ( or in reverse, if that could be the case..) Great comment, though.!
That's a fantastic idea, I've never thought of that. I'll keep that in mind if SHTF
I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT! does the starter actually produce enough torque to move the car??
@@benm12310 Sure it does. It won't exactly be happy about it but starters are cheap and easy to replace so who cares.
@@sntslilhlpr6601 cheaper and easier to replace than the entire car, that's for sure.
This was hard to watch, wow. Glad driver was ok.
Yes, both drivers thankfully OK.
Yes, hard to watch, i paused video when car come.
This was hard to watch, especially since the driver grabbed the wheel just prior to impact. I hope no bones were broken.
Hearing his groans sent shivers down my spine!!! I've been there several times... unconscious, hearing my own voice, gasping for air, not being able to control my emoting until I'm fully conscious. It's a scary place to be. I hope he never felt, or feels that again. May God bless and keep us all!
Damn, that sounds fucking scary dude. Sleep paralisis type shit but mid accident. Just horrible.
God has nothing to do with this, there is no God, and if there is he's a sick and twisted asshole who chooses not to help millions of people and only helps you if you are not gay etc. There is no God, make your own luck and help.
@@davelangford2439 " Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
@@EdAb I don't need forgiveness from some made up space creature. I don't need to beleive in a god to be a good person either. Think of the billions of people that have been killed in the name of God, its sickening. Religion is a cancer on this planet
@@davelangford2439 "Projection", look it up.
Came to watch the HANS device. Cried the Porsche got squished :( glad the driver is OK
Also that beautiful Alfa Romeo GTA 😢
sounds like he may have gotten the wind knocked out of him
Nah, you cant speak when that happens
No that was shattered bones
@@samfield6314 ok which bones? It's just shock
Aren't there officials on this track ? Everyone should have a radio inside the car for a "yellow flag" call
That's just a no. If the drivers can't see the flags, either they should not be racing because their attention is not up to the task, or the Marshalls should of done a better job with the flags. The only ones to have contact with a driver is the team.
I am not aware of any racing organization that can call all the cars on a track via radio. If the driver is so incompetent that they can't drive safely by the flag stations, they should not be alone in the car.
@@DaleCarterDrives A few of them does have the ability. 24H Le Man and F1 comes into mind, although used extremely rarely, since they don't need to when they can just show the flags on the steering wheel instead.
I was always taught that if you can see the impact about to happen and if you have time to cross your arms across your body with your hands flat. NEVER hold onto anything especially the wheel.
Now just imagine if he had the full seat to go with it. Assuming he didnt hold on to the wheel, that probably would have made it a relatively comfortable ride, as far as crashes go anyway and compared to this
what does that even mean. 'The full seat'
@@awsomestleaperd78 A full seat in a nut shell is a seat that contains more parts to restrain your body from moving very far. It just holds you in on the sides basically so you cant whip as far as the person in the video did
bought a seat with "ears" since my biggest crash to date is going sideways into a tirebarrier. Don't want to feel my neck doing that again. Also, never race without Hans
can't you break or hands by holding the wheel in a crash?
@@oscar_bru8455 or worse things yes absolutely. The instinct is to grab and brace but really he should have hugged himself or put his arms up against his chest. ANYTHING but grabbing on to something really
I know it's instinctive, but don't grab the wheel when an impact is imminent, that's just going to cause wrist damage.
That's why he's crying like a 10 year old defo haha
@@Bugsygb1 Get hit by a car head on going 80 and youd be doing the same thing
100% did this when I rolled my subaru and if I had've just let go I would've walked away with nothing but I did sprain my wrist real good. Worst part is I know I need to do this but in the moment you just don't let go or even think about it.
I once remember making the same sounds he was making.. It was my body's sympathetic system reacting to the internal damage it suffered from a head on collision from a drunk driver on the highway as I was slowing down to make a right turn off to a country road in the far right lane. Luckily, I was doing about 10 to 15 MPH, but the person that hit me was doing likely at least 60 to 70 as she feel asleep at the wheel or rather, passed out at the wheel, crossed over the center median, she didn't wake up from the little bit of off-roading she had to do, before missing 4 other cars that were headed the same direction I was going, before the right turn was an attempted and BAM, hit me head on. I seen it coming, and there was nothing I could do to get out of the way quick enough. The trajectory she was on, at first, I would have cleared, which is why I started to speed up from the 10 MPH to 15MPH to hurry up to get further ahead so she would hit behind me and miss me all together by mere few feet if not inches? but after she off-roaded the grass center median, and caught about a foot of air as it ramped upwards onto our side, and when she landed on the highway pavement, her car steered and skidded as I could see the front wheels snap hard to full locked left turn, even though the car was still skidding straight due to the inertia of the direction she/car was going and that was just enough in that 50 to 75 foot to cause her car veer a few degrees further towards her left as she was on coming.. Pretty much like what and how it happened in this video, just the other direction, and on a straight-away..
I seen this video, I hope your driver is okay, that was one hell of a hit. even with all the high end protective gear and kits and rigging, that hit I bet was every bit of a 5 to 10 G's if not more, of a momentary burst of movement. In my situation, I had a seat belt and airbags (which, never deployed). Even though, the vehicle had been to service for the recall on the SRS Jeep air bag system at that time, 3 different times, while the warning system of the ECU or PCM that manages the air bag and restraint systems had not issues or dash warnings lights, they still failed to trip off from the frontal impact? The one right rear air bag that is above the rear door window, that one when off? LOL.. I didn't need that one, I would have rather the drivers side bags have worked?
For all I know, the bags will only deploy or go off, if the impact is above a certain speed, and below a certain speed. Maybe the idea that them not going off and inflating, is to prevent you from being not only crushed from the frontal collision being pushed so far into the cars cockpit area, that the very minimal cavity space remaining, if the air bags would have went off and inflated, would have actually killed me, as the volume that those take up, vs what space was remaining, YIKES woulda pushed all my guts out every hole in my body and even out through holes it deemed needed to make? LOL.. I don't know.. But either way, I was busted up really bad, rib cage sternum and ribs, punctured lung on the left side, both clavicles broken, sinus plates on both sides of my face smashed into bits, broken eye sockets, both knees and lower legs busted all to hell, fractured hip joints on both sides, pelvis joints at the area of where the sacrum or spine connects at were all torn. so much more. Here is something I learned, did you know that you can bruise an artery or vein? Well, now you do, I do not remember what the scientific name for that is called. but, it is self healing with time and the closer it is to your heart, the faster it will heal, but also, is the most dangerous to be bruised at, logically.
I remember trying to breath like this driver was doing, as he was trying to force his body to breath, in that state of physical trauma or shock to the nervous system going haywire. During that moment, thinking your sympathetic second nature ability to breath will just handle that during such a situation, nope, this driver had to, like myself, had to manually try to breath until the body reset after the nervous system calmed down.. which mine, didn't, due to how much damage I sustained. I lost hand and leg feeling and movement or the ability to do so, which was the body trying to protect itself further, and focus on the core systems. I thought I was going to be a quadriplegic sensing that inability to move any of my limbs. I do remember requesting God to just take me, as I do not want to be a burden to any of my loved ones, let alone, I could not be trapped in my head, and not be able to design and engineer and build any of my projects are just waiting for me to do them. Nope, God, it is okay, I kindly ask, just take me, allow me this one last request for being a free man, and just take me. I welcome it as it will not fight hanging on, just take me. I trust in your plan, but do not leave me trapped in a body I can't use. It was so easy to make my peace with that desire and understanding. Granted, that is not how things turned out, it was just my body shutting down to save itself. pretty scary stuff, looking back at it years later.
The drunk driver, as I understand it, had minor cuts and bruises. She was a habitual DUI of alcohol to the point, that at the time of the accident, she wasn't even allowed to drive, her drivers license was suspended for life already. The car she was driving, had insurance, but, insurance would not cover anything, due to the owner of the car, although gave permission to drive the car, which normally would have been okay for coverage on that policy, they do not cover drunk driving claims, let alone, for a person, that was only given permission to drive the car, and was not on the insurance policy. add into the whole deal, drunk driving... I got seriously screwed on that one. she was sentenced to 20 years. with orders of restitution payments to me, ordered by the courts. Sound good right? Nah, she was released in 14 months. by the courts. as she was considered a non-violent criminal, and they needed space in the female prison. LOL.. that was several years ago. have I ever received a penny from her. NOPE. I have even went to the courts to ask about that, "WHERE IS MY $11.00 a week at?" as 11 bucks is nothing, but it is in my mind a constant reminder for her and how she failed to be a fair citizen. Nope, she just wants to act like noting ever happened and for get all about it. You know, if this was the other direction. a male drunk driver, causing this harm to a female, that man would have been slaughtered in the court system and never let out, while being required to pay restitutional payments. She was not allowed to leave the state, with out notifying the courts and in turn the courts notify me of her desire to leave the state. Nope, she was allowed to move to another state, and not even give notice to the court. Our system is broken.
WOW, sorry for the unloading here, this video was rough as it brought up allot of anger that I had brewing. Please note, it is not the videos fault, the video is wonderfully put together to showcase the safety gear working to save somebody's life due from a heck of a collision. The fact that you have is caught on camera, you should be exceptionally proud of this video and all that is wonderfully demonstrates upon the racing industry's safety gear and how well it does work. Great job on this video.. I just needed to vent I suppose..LOL.. well, it there now.. free free to delete this comment if you believe it to be out of place or wrong to be here, as I will fully understand, and not be offended. If this were to happen, I would wish that I had all the safety gear on to help save my life, and bodily injury being at a measure of minimal injury sustained. Be safe.
you wrote more than the average person in r/ askreddit
@@realpodo7473 LOL.. No pun intended, but, just trying to "drive" the point home, that safety gear is better then no gear... Drive safely
Happy it sounds like you healed very well. I can’t imagine being in an accident like that, and I hope you are fortunate enough to never experience an accident like that again.
Driving anything that doesn't have a cage and a 5-point scares the ever-loving shit out of me
You shouldn't give up. If not you then who will stop her from hurting someone else? The reminder alone and garnishment of her wages is in your full control.
Thank you so much for posting this video.
Some people may say that posting these crash videos are just feeding the internet's desire for Gore, but I think that for the people in the field (racing in this case) these real world videos are more persuasive than graphs and charts and the like.
I've been able to get some of my wood working Buddies to change their ways with some gory wood working accident videos.
Thanks again
Glad to hear that everyone was ok, terrible to see this happen. Hopefully this will help encourage others to purchase a proper HNR.
*HFR
I love all the pedants that pound out several paragraphs of "AKSHULLY..." when the simple message is "use all the safety equipment you can!"
every fucking YT comment section is full of absolute, tesla-level geniuses who actually know all the correct answers but somehow haven't been recognized for their amazing intellect.
Speaking of safety equipment I notice he doesn't have a fireproof balaclava
The HANS is a PITA, but when you need it, you need it.
HoundOfDoom I’ll never drive on track without one
PITA?
@@alexbourgeois7863 pain in the ass
@@20spray1 Nothing PITA about them these days. Just put your helmet on before getting in is really the only difference
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As a racing fan, the length of time I spent wondering what HANS meant has me severely disappointed in myself.
Hope no serious injuries 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
you can google most things you're wondering about
@Coon Man ... no, it is a restraint device attached to the helmet.
@@dkiiv ... no, it is a head and neck support.
@@enveloreal yes.. which is attached to the helmet to limit head, thus neck, movement
the base is generally sat onto the shoulders as rigidly attaching it to the seat would cause the head to pop off the body in an accident
the point of restricting the head, thus neck, movement is to prevent (or minimize) whiplash during an accident.
so yes, it is a restraint device attached to the helmet. it is also a head/neck support by nature of where the device sits on the body.
I'm glad both drivers were OK, but man was that hard to watch. As soon as I saw the Alfa peak around the corner, I was thinking "please God no". Part of me naively hopes they were able to salvage it and the 911, but I highly doubt it.
It’s funny how people don’t understand how a HANS works. This guy had a significant impact that could have pulled the brain out of the bottom of the skull. I’m a trauma surgeon I lead a group where we’ve studied thousands of mvas. Racing and street both. So a hybrid will provide some left to right support. A Hans will do nothing for side hits. You have to use a containment seat for left to right hits. The Hans will only work for forward. This guy over extended way to far. His head whipped. you need a hybrid for sure. If you don’t have a containment seat. It’s not a guarantee you won’t have a basilar skull fracture of some type. 95% of my patients have had occipital & temporal breaks. That’s been present in 95%. 99% have been fatal. Also 94% of my cases the person only lost less than 50mph of velocity. People think basilar skull fractures are high speed impacts. That’s not the case. I had a patient brought in that hit at 20mph. Killed instantly . Blood, brain matter, spinal fluid erupting from the nose,ears,&mouth. Dale Sr. Lost 35-40mph of velocity is it. His was just like hitting a wall at 40mph. It wasn’t a 188mph dead stop like people think. He hit square. Had he bashed the side of his car. The partial head containment would have saved him. This guy here is so lucky. In a number of cases this exact thing has been fatal with people wearing a HANS. You need head containment or a Hans is no guarantee. It’s only for forward deceleration not left to right.
I was unaware that a car driving into your fucking hood almost square was a 'side hit'. I'm not sure what universe you live in that you can look at the above and not classify that as a frontal impact. There isn't a chance in hell the head restraint didn't reduce whatever injury he might have otherwise sustained in that crash.
@@Tk3997 I concur 100%. Either klk isn't really a trauma surgeon, or s/he isn't watching the same video, or isn't using "front" and "side" the way I use those words. I saw a front-on collision, maybe not perfectly straight on, but close enough, with effectively a head-on crash at racing speeds, and the 911 driver's head stayed attached and that is what a HANS is for. I am willing to consider a hybrid because safer is better, but I saw this as a neck flexion issue from "front" impact which can totally be fatal even at lower speeds (especially with my big head).
@@Tk3997 you’re stone cold stupid if you think that was an “almost square” hit. The direction of the head movement shows that. There was plenty of angle there.
@@Tk3997 Stationary car was angled more than 30 degrees relative to the incoming one. That means frontal/lateral force vectors are almost equally split, which in turn means very strong lateral impact on his head. You can see how strong it was from the head movement. Luckily it was not strong enough to make permanent head/neck damage. HANS certainly helped with the frontal force component, but not much with lateral.
@@imStrato A good halo seat would'Ve helped a lot here.
Glad to see both drivers were okay. Mental note to keep your hands off the wheel at impact. Very lucky to not have broken fingers/wrists or hands.
Same impact point that killed Earnhardt , which led to mandatory head restraints in Nascar.
Dale Earnhardt, went head on, into the outside wall...
He wasn't struck, head on, by another racer, while stalled on the track..
Try again...
Everyone who's been involved in a crash that he saw coming knows the gut wrenching feeling when you know the crash is gonna happen in a moment but you cant do anything about it.
For anyone wondering why is he sounding like that, its because the hit to your ribs means you have to take short breaths that hurt every time you breath
OUCH, I wore a Simpson Hybrid S for my first track day, at first it felt restrictive but after I got used to it was actually very nice. I went off track once but was able to get back on with no spin out, id rather wear a HANS/Hybrid than not wear one. The Hybrid also has forward tethers and if you tighten them down enough they restrict your sideways movement to a degree, but still not it's main purpose.
For 16 years of Karting have always worn a neck brace . Have also done double duty as a track marshal since 2011. Have seen things get ugly real fast . Having your head as stable as possible a good thing ! Also never get in kart without kneepads to protect inside of knees !
Glad the driver was ok, but if that is the sound of ok, I must be doing pretty darn well most of the time.
Glad that both drivers ok but a little surprised the approching driver did not break right on to the grass to avoid the collision!
I’d imagine they just froze up with their foot on the brake.
Both of them avoided the grass. Bad idea.
“...it would pop your windshield clean off.”
I've always worn a Hans and used a halo seat. People always whined that Hans were uncomfortable when they were first mandated. You don't hear it nearly as much. Almost like people got over themselves.
Natural selection
I went from a neckbrace to a HANS device, and let me tell you, the HANS is *way* more comfortable and just better in general. Not only is it safer, but it's liberating af to be able to race with nothing around your neck. Really great.
@@gp75motorsports wow bro u will get the theorists on your neck
Damn. It’s amazing how the windshield flies out of the older 911’s. Hope the drivers were ok.
Expensive way to change windscreens
Can't believe the red car tried to hold his line instead of bailing out to the right which appeared to be wide open grass. He had every opportunity to avoid the crash even though it happened quickly.
jeez, the adrenaline he must have been feeling trying to start the car...
Made me Cry.. so sad ,, the carbs flooded the aircooled flat 6 during the spin.. so it didnt restart to move safely out of the way.. hope they both are recovered, sad loss of a 911.
Any captain to explain what's going on in this video? This video was recommended by youtube but I did not understand anything besides the crash.
He's lucky. The HANS is most effective with the side head rests.
Hearing his sounds of pain… man that’s rough
That's one way of getting your windshield out.
Ah man the suffering sound he made remined me that time I broke my wrist from falling on ice, terrible experience.
If that’s how you sounded breaking your wrist!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not hurt necessarily, can be just adrenaline.
Damn that sucks, sad part is the guy that hit him had more than enough time to turn out in the grass...
in my head all i was thinking was fraklin going “start you pos”
he did the opposite of letting go of the steering wheel before crashing, almost broke if not broke his wrist and hands.
Nah right there he should hold on
@@jonathan5010 you always pull your hands in and your feet if possible in a wreck. Ion if you have your license yet but make sure you learn more before hurting yourself.
@@jonathan5010 Absolutely not. You'll do nothing but break your wrists and tear tendons. You can't hold yourself still anyways, and the harder you try, the more you do damage.
lmao! you TRY not holding on when you see that coming, you guys are talking out your asses, basic human self preservation instincts take over.
@@blest5132 You can learn to brace with your arms crossed on your chest. You see racing drivers do this all the time. It's different in your 89 toyota camry but in a racecar it's easily the best option.
Holy hell man... Glad you're safe!
The Hams device did its job only issue I saw was he put his hand on the wheel which with that impact could brake atleast 1 if not both hands and/or wrists. Best thing to do when some sort of front impact like that is about to occur is to place your hands over your chest (usually holding onto the seatbelts) to avoid as much injury as possible. It was a very nasty hit yes, and it did definitely knock the wind out of him regardless of what he did or could have done.
It didn't do anything here as the seat failed to prevent his neck from snapping sideways. This collision is not what HANS device is designed for (forward head on collision). He also needs a containment seat and nets to prevent sideways movement. There was a driver that was killed on a track on Quebec in a 30 degrees collision because he did not use containment seat and safety nets.
good reminder to put the clutch in when you spin
That's like a horror movie, the engine not starting, its a sign of something terrible coming. So happy you are okay
Holy crap. Glad you were both OK
Also make sure your harness is extra tight, noticed a lot of movement in his safety harness at the shoulders.
I always get someone outside the car to finish tightening them to make sure theres no movement
This is why we always wear HANS devices when we race.
Damn, that hit looked brutal! And the car that hit you was of the same manufacturer that my dad drove when he raced. I know I wouldn’t turn a wheel in anger without wearing a HANS device (which wasn’t much of a thing back when my dad was racing).
Amazing how the complete windshield says goodbye!
(Without cracking If I see that right...maybe out of macrolon???)
Lots of comments on here about officials not showing a yellow flag; trust me, I DO wave those things, and many drivers do nothing at all (if they actually see flags at all). There are plenty that take the chequered flag more than once (I've seen three times!). I'm willing to bet a flag was shown but not acted on - and in those conditions it just takes a slight delay in response and the oncoming driver wont be able to do anything to avoid an incident. Motorsport is high energy, so inherently dangerous; safety measures are always improving, and serious injuries are decreasing, but its never going to be safe - don't understand the risks, don't participate. Use ALL the safety kit, and if you respect the Orange army, obey the yellow flags (our lives depend on it, and we don't have a metal box with a reinforced cage to take the impact). Keep it safe, or at least as safe as we reasonably can.
EDIT: The incident starts at 1:19 when it's just possible the driver wont catch it (but still not certain its flag-worthy) and I can see the flag point for less than 1 second at 1:20. There is no flag deployed at that point because it takes about two seconds to lift it up and put it out (as well as not being necessary by then - don't disrupt the racing if the car might recover and continue before you can get the flag out and a driver seeing it will have time to use that information before being past the incident). Then, after the incident the car doesn't spin far enough to see the flag point again, so anyone commenting about there being no flag show, or blaming officials, what's your evidence? I can't see if there was a flag when there should be one, or not.
fellow marshall here, can confirm. the amount of times I've seen people ignore flags and getting in trouble of their own is astonishing. people forget that we're there for THEIR safety.
So many drivers don't see anything more than 100' ahead of their bumper and DEFINITELY don't see anything off-line.
@@DaleCarterDrives Depends on the series; some club level drivers don't look far enough, some higher performance drivers are looking very far ahead. The trick is to wave the flag when its in their line of sight, so the movement attracts their attention (e.g. for a flag post on the exit of a curve, they are looking at the exit just before they are at the apex). When flagging, we have to adjust for the behaviour of the grid on the day - they vary; even low sun or a wet track or a close contest makes them look and behave differently.
If the BMW driver not stared directly at the "danger" he would have never hit him. This is a classic case of target fixation.
It was an Alfa, but I thought the same thing about target fixation-Alfa-guy had plenty of time to veer off on to the grass.
Alfa driver was offline (wide) and moving fast. If he had perfect anticipation, he might have turned right, but then he'd be off-track in wet grass at very high speeds. Not a great option.. Racing means driving at the limit, and when you're at the limit it is hard to change course. Sometimes there is nothing you can do.
Not under waving yellow. Plus off right there is very safe. Option was drive off and back on or hit a car. He picked car.
Actually, was under waving yellow. Flag station just out of view.
Context was, "driving at the limit" and I was pointing out it was waving yellow and no you shouldn't drive at the limit in those conditions especially in a crowd.
Your life would flash before your eyes, truly a scary perspective.
The Porsche was sitting on the "side" of the track. In fact the two drivers side wheels were off the pavement. The correct line through the corner is on the other side of the track. If you watch the video before he starts to spin you can see the corner station. That is the apex for the corner not over on the other side of the track where the Porsche was stopped. The Alfa driver ignored TWO yellow flags and was trying to pass the cars that had moved over and were running slower than normal. He looked up and drove straight in to the Porsche because you go where you are looking. He NEVER TRIED to do any evasive action other than hit his brakes. The Porsche driver hit his chest on the steering wheel and could not get a full breath of air thus the moaning. Oh and the Porsche drive was sited by the organization that he was 100 % responsible for causing the accident.
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That's a really good point about the corner station-- the Alfa driver surely blasted past at least one yellow flag. I would think that would make him responsible for the accident. What'd the Porsche driver do wrong? Oversteer?
I never saw his chest hit the wheel. Also how is it the Porsche drivers fault? That’s a classic spin out. Alfa driver passed on yellow flags.
A little late to the party...but you can see through T1 and 2 when you're coming down off the front straight. Really not much of an excuse for the Alfa driver to ram into the car.
And this is the reason why I'm hesitant to race wheel to wheel. All too often I see drivers oblivious to flags.
Exactly. That Porsche driver had ages to move off onto the grass and turn around, and the first rule of thumb when you spin is to spin with the clutch feathered so that you can drive out. Instead he sat there like a waiting duck, and released the clutch during the spin causing the car to stall out.
@@breakmywalletmotorsport Common these days. No one slows down for yellow flags anymore.
Clearly what I really need is a grand mustache.
i still don’t think i need a HANS. i think i’ll just stay with my simpson hybrid
That’s way safer
The Simpson unit IS a HANS, just designed for three-point OEM belts instead of 4/5/6 point harnesses.
I'm super late to the party, but it is hard to tell with the car spinning, but it seems like the 911 was stuck at the trackout of turn 2. I guess vintage cars take a tighter line than Spec Miata... or more likely most had seen the yellow flags and were staying tight. One thing I did to my car before racing was to remove the neutral safety switch, so in an emergency situation I could use the starter to move the car off the track. That would have been handy here. And yes, I raced with a HANS but also a halo seat and right side net based on all the research. Crashing in Spec Miata is almost a guarantee and we all had jobs and families to go back to. I'm glad both drivers were OK. I miss racing and will miss TWS if I ever get back to racing in the future.
Ordered one right now
Don't know why this is suddenly recommended to me but it happens to be the 25th year anniversary of me being in a very similar position doing a shakedown on a customer car. I had no HANS then and I still have nerve and spine issues from it.
the oncoming driver panicked and just drove straight into him,all he had to do was turn right and go around him
It's a cambered turn, not quite that simple due to inertia. He would have been better to break and turn back inward
@@jsa3397 not at all the car is allready on a turn that is forcing car to the outside,much less effort to turn to the right and go around the car than to as you say brake and turn back inward.its physics after all and they dont lie.
porque no le dio arranque con bateria en 1era marcha y lo sacaba hacia afuera.?
Time must have stopped for him for a minute. You wouldn't trust your senses to tell you if you're dead or alive. He will remember the noise forever.
You need a full containment seat as well
In racing, there's no too much for safety
Just like in any scary movie ever: [1:33]--> C'mon -C'mon C'mon You POS! Start.... START! Nooh...... No.. ...No.. No. No.NONO!!
1:30 Put it in 2nd Gear, release the clutch, and hit the starter motor to get off the track. If your race car has a starter lock-out on the clutch pedal, then modify it to remove that (anti-) safety feature. Once upon a time, I used this process instinctively to get my stalled and flooded car out from in front of an approaching truck.
I tell young drivers all the time, they do not listen, I pray this will help
Definitely getting one of those head support seats now lol
Yeah I have one and don't regret it for a second. Even though I just do timetrail/trackdays, no matter how magnificent we are, sometimes stuff happens that's completely out of our control...
Think you don't need Hans? Ask Dale... 😔
Definitely late to this party but how long did he sit before safety crews arrived , Marshall’s might of had the yellow out and it just got ignored but he was a sitting duck too. Multiple mistakes that could of got 2 people killed
And he’s driving the “widow maker” 911
I think I need Hans. But the law says I am not allowed to have one.
😂👍✌
Okay, the Corvair pickup with baby moon hub caps is way too cool.
Hurts my soul to see two of my most favorite cars crashing into one another.
That noise tho ! The sound of good Ol' pain.. Hope he was ok?
When the car stalled, the danger just got exponentially higher
And then the Alfa took the outer line..
Remember, people...
*Get a HANS. Its important*
*When an impact is imminent, hands off the wheel*
*Brace yourself, cross your arms on your chest*
These three things can save your ass more than you think.
That’s why ladies and gents you NEVER LIFT
Wow, sorry to see this. Is the 911 totaled?
Yah that date was fucked.
Where the hell were the corner workers?
Mandatory since 2002 in all of motorsports.
So sad that TWS is no longer a track, rather track homes.
T1 and T2 complex typically has a flag station track left, near T2 apex.
I suspect the driver who hit the Porsche had his vision blocked by the line of cars to his left.
Many Porsches are equipped with an inertia switch that kills power to the fuel pump when loaded with several Gs.
Requires a key cycle or two to reset.
Saw a TT Carrera roast in the weeds inside T4 when the driver dropped two off driver's left, spun across the track and backed it off the T4 exit.
Couldn't get it restarted and the turbos caught the grass on fire. First time I heard about the inertia "safety" switch.
Was the racing harness tight he moved his whole upper body. Was he ok after this that was a hard hit
You'd be surprised at how much energy there is in a crash. Look at my crash here - th-cam.com/video/pAUIfYs5Dz0/w-d-xo.html - I had the harness done up as tight as possible as I always do, and that was a custom fitted FIA rated (at the time) seat as well. The new race car has a seat with ears/wings now!
why did he grab the steering wheel when he saw the car coming right at him? thats just asking to break a wrist or some fingers
Damn,. Other driver should've just gone off to his right. I've spent some time exploring that field; it's not pleasant, but it's survivable. Glad you made it.
prime example of target fixation
Also,curious why the guys car didn't start....
Alfa driver : I'll just lock up my brakes so I can't steer clear of that 911.
Did this guy do any track prep though? Car was not having it..
this is more "why you need a full containment racing seat"
If it doesnt start right away, put it in gear, crank it offtrack on the starter. Then worry about other things.
It was off the track. 2 wheels off the track and NOT in the proper line to take that corner.
@@markhanna6955 Be that as it may, it was still in the outside of the corner and on the asphalt, where someone overtaking, or like this driver, slipping out of control is likely to end up. cranking it fully off the track wouldve prevented that hit.
Do not f around with neck injury. You can bang your skull all kinds of ways but one bad cervical disc injury and you wont be using your legs and arms any more.
Who’s to blame here? Did they not show double waved yellows? Or were the drivers just not paying attention?
What injuries were sustained?
I now wear a HANS after competition event where I had to wear one.. didn’t wear one before. I was a prat! Soon get used to the discomfort 👊🏽
My car owner died from basal skull fracture... is no joke and he would not wear a hans... this wreck? easy to armchair it but the car that hit him could have just taken the off track route... need a lot of time and experience to make that call in time... am guessing driver is ok now?
No yellow flags? He could have gone wide to avoid unless it was Stevie on one of his days out. Where were you racing? Tesco car park? Lucky not to have serious injury there.
The hell were those two in the middle of during a damn yellow flag?
Good lord this is what marshals stand in wind, snow, rain, and all the other garbage to prevent; and let us have a good time.
its all fun and games until that hangover hits you..