I remember Nuka saying "Kovu, Kovu, Kovu. Scar wasn't even his father. He just took him in" in The Lion King 2 when he was about to be a scolded by Zira for not looking after Kovu. Just a humble correction
I believe that Zira isn't his biological mother and she and Scar didn't know who's child he was so ofc they let him know that he was an orphan and that most likely chose him bcuz he looked more in shape than Nuka and looked more like Scar than him Though, I theorise that Kovu's mom is from the Pride Lands, either Sarabi, Nala or another lioness and that they abandoned him and sometime later Scar or Zira found him
I know, it’s literally confirmed that scar ISN’T the father (this was for the sole purpose of avoiding inbreeding, since nala is related to scar, and mated with kovu)
@@SundaeStudiosAnimationnala isnt related to scar, if she was it would have created issues for disney, there is however a rouge lion that is in one of the books that is supposed to be nala's father, it is also mentioned again in the lion guard who nala's father was
@KittensUnited When was this? Only "confirmations" were from Kovu and Nuka plus I already theorised how they don't matter as they're incorrect knowledge claims
I believe that Zira isn't his biological mother and she and Scar didn't know who's child he was so ofc they let him know that he was an orphan and that most likely chose him bcuz he looked more in shape than Nuka and looked more like Scar than him Though, I theorise that Kovu's mom is from the Pride Lands, either Sarabi, Nala or another lioness and that they abandoned him and sometime later Scar or Zira found him
It's not that deep. Kovu and Vitani "aren't" Scar's cubs because that would make them and Kiara cousins. and Idk if you were there for that, but Kovu and Kiara get together at the end of the movie.
@@blobbertmcblob4888And that's why they kept it unclear if he was Kovu's dad or not, doesn't defeat the theory And yes, it's not that deep.... it's a theory
Kovu isn't scars as stated in lion king 2 multiple times by characters, but vitanani, very well may be his and nalas cub, time line fits, and the deleted scene would make alot more since, sinvmc vitani is in fact a little older then kovu and Kiara, and that's why she was banished cause she'd been born right after movie events, but befire the begins g of 2 were Kiara was born, if rember right its mention in lion gaurd that vitamin is older when kion meets them in the outlands, vitanai being nalas daughter would also explain het hatred fir nala in the lion king 2 as well, cause she's not only jealous of her hand sister, but feels abandoned by her real mother nala, think about how she says at end to Nala weres your pretty daughter nala, the tone that vitanani has when saying feels just sincerely angry and upset at the sane time, also nala knows her, cause nala in the same set of scenes calls her by name
@sirducksworthythe3rd842 If you're replying to me then I'm just gonna apply invincible ignorance cuz I already explained how Kovu's statements make sense and doesn't affect Scar being his father
There's a cave painting of him as a cub in the episode where he was mentioned being rescued by the Lion Guard of that time. He has golden fur, white muzzle and a reddish tuft for a mane. In the same episode, Kion's friends thought that the cave painting was representing him before Rafiki told the entire story of Nala's father and his grandfather.
I think that Nuka was The only cub Scar had because of their similar skinny appearence and dark mane, Vitani is Tama and Tojo's cub because Tama has the same head tuft and Tojo has blue eyes similar to Vitani, Kovu's parents are Chumvi and Kula because Chumvi has the same face expression as Kovu and Nala's parents are Sarafina (confirmed) because they have the same appereance and a lion that appears in the lion guard episode "Paintings and Predictions,, he appears in a painting where he is about to fall from a tree but he is saved from the lion guard of his day, but he never appears in the movie because in my headcanon he was a member of Scar's guard and he died after Scar used the Roar against his guard and that happened when Sarafina was pregnant with Nala
Mheetu was also Scar’s cub with Sarafina because he was born during the dark years when Scar took over the pridelands. He’s also the younger brother of Nala with the same mom and brother of Nuka with the same dad. Unfortunately he died from a sickness of starvation due to the drought, lack of food and water in the pridelands
I truly like this theory, but the only problem is, the books aren't technically cannon meaning if you'd like to use the books then yes this would probably be accurate but what this guy is trying to do is use the deleted and fully animated cannon scenes to make sense of the timeliness and family tree.
@@ToastAndButter279 I know the books aren't canon but I like to use the books so the theorys would be more accurate, I also sometimes use deleted scenes and confirmed things to add to the theorys
Scar had two sons. One was Nuka from Zira and one was Mheetu from Sarafina. Nuka and Mheetu are brothers with the same father. Mheetu is the younger brother of Nala with the same mom
Kovu wasn't Scar's kid. Nuka even comments on this at one point in the Lion King 2. he mentioned that Zira found Kovu and took him in. in the musical version, there was a cut scene that put Scar having fathered Vitani with Nala. as for Kovu, he was either found by Zira and Scar, or Zira simply kidnapped him from another pride.
I believe that Zira isn't his biological mother and she and Scar didn't know who's child he was so ofc they let him know that he was an orphan and that most likely chose him bcuz he looked more in shape than Nuka and looked more like Scar than him Though, I theorise that Kovu's mom is from the Pride Lands, either Sarabi, Nala or another lioness and that they abandoned him and sometime later Scar or Zira found him
Kovu also says it himself that Scar isn’t his father he says this”Scar wasn’t my father but he was still a part of me” he says that at some point in the movie
tbh im a strong beleiver that Kovu was fathered by a male lion who was from the Night Pride(?) or in the very least his birth mother was probably from the Night Pride and Zira just took him in. Scar possibly did father Nuka with Zira being Nuka's mom) and since the scene where Scar came onto Nala was semi-canon (I say semi-canon because it was a deleted scene that was added in the broadway version), Scar ffathered Viani with Nala being the mom but Nala abandoned Vitani or Vitani was probably stolen by Zira. So if Kovu was Scar's kid, he and Kiara and Simba would be cousins.
It was stated in the Lion King 2 that Scar wasn't Kovu's father. But I do know that there is a theory that Vitani isn't Zira's daughter but Nala's because their eyes (irises) are a very similar shade of blue. And because the original Lion King, Disney planned on having Scar try to hit up Nala, she could have gotten pregnant from him and then had Vitani. But when Simba takes over Pride Rock, Nala gives Vitani to Zira because of the painful reminder of who Vitani's father is. Especially because in Lion King 2, with the Lioness Fight scene, Vitani is straight up savage with Nala and it could just be more of a her anger from being abandoned for a "better daughter".
do you remember in the lion guard when Kovu met Kion? “What happened to Zira?” Kion asked Kovu “Zira has completed her circle of life”. Wait ZIRA?! Did Kovu meant “my mother?”
@@A-Kira there is no way they're not Zira is confirmed to be nukas mother(he calls her mother in the movie) but I'm not sure about vitani And since there are no other males that we've seen scar would have to be the father Edit: plus zira IS scars mate
@@BlackAndWhiteScribbles It's clear to me that I also believe that at least nuka is Scar's son, but unfortunately we have to admit that it's not 100% confirmed.
another thing mentioned in the deleted scene of the lion king 2 “who is mother talking to?” Nuka asked Vitani “Scar”. Vitani replied “where! where!” Nuka yelled “Scar’s dead genius!” Vitani shouted at Nuka
I have the theory of Vitani being Nala and Scar's child. That creepy scene with Scar was true, and she became pregnant, gave birth to Vitani, possibly not acknowledging her as her daughter, fled from Pride Rock to the jungles, and then after the whole ordeal with Simba defeating Scar, Zira and some other lions was banished to the badlands, and Zira took Vitani with her because she is Scar's child and Nala does not want anything to do with her.
Nala is not Scar's mate because she hates him and they're not in the same generation, Vitani is only, only, only, only, and only Zira's and no one else's child, Vitani is not adopted
@@bwwlgaming I implied that something transpired in the creepy scene for that reason. Nala does not have to be Scar's mate in order to become pregnant by him. Although she couldn't stand it, it was a normal occurrence in the lion hierarchy as he was the pride's male lion. Furthermore, the fact that they are just one generation apart is not strange. Try to read between the lines. Because this is a theory, I am neither wrong nor right, and you should not completely dismiss my ideas simply because you claim it's not right. Kovu, Kiara, and Vitani are all from the same generation. Her eyes are a brilliant violet-blue, and her fur is creamy golden with undertones of black. Zira has nearly beige-brown fur and dark orange eyes. Nala has creamy gold fur and blue eyes that lean towards purple. And Scar, who has stunning green eyes and orange fur with black undertones. Who is more alike than the other? I'm simply speculating; I'm not stating it as gospel.
It’s possible that Kovu and Vitani are older than Kiara by a few months at most in the case of Kovu. According to Nuka and Zira; Scar was the one who took Kovu in, likely gave him to Zira to raise, and claimed him as his successor all of which had to have happened before Scar’s death if he acknowledged the cub as his own. That could apply to Vitani’s situation as well because I don’t see Zira going out of her way to raise a cub that wasn’t hers unless it had some connection to Scar.
Nuka himself told us that scar wasn’t even kovu’s father. Although kovu was originally going to be scars son. , but was changed to just he was Hannah chosen by scar or in this case Paw chosen. Besides Kovu’s fur isn’t even red. It’s brown. Even scars mothers for is red.
Kovu he’s not scars son because it is canon in the lion king 2, when nucha said that scar wasn’t even kovu’s father. He probably isn’t Zara’s cup either. His parents probably could’ve been outsiders from the pride lands.
I believe that Zira isn't his biological mother and she and Scar didn't know who's child he was so ofc they let him know that he was an orphan and that most likely chose him bcuz he looked more in shape than Nuka and looked more like Scar than him Though, I theorise that Kovu's mom is from the Pride Lands, either Sarabi, Nala or another lioness and that they abandoned him and sometime later Scar or Zira found him
I don't think that this is his own personal theory. I'm pretty sure that he just cobbled together different fan theories from other people in the Lion king fandom. He's just presenting what other people have been saying on the internet.
Mrithi, Akiki, Nuka, Nunka, Shetani, Adanna, Ojore, and Vitani: These cubs are the biological children of Scar and his mate, Zira. Nuka and Scar were also born week and small. Kovu is biologically Zira's son but not Scar's
Kovu isnt scars son. Nuka said it and so did kovu. Vitani looks more like Tama and Tojo whilst kovu has Chumvis favcial features and has a darker version of chumvi and kulas fur
Also can you do a theory video on what happened to Rani’s parents and also another one with qween Jana being sarabis sister because they do have similar attitudes.
Saying that Disney would not make Nala Scar's child because her and Simba being cousins would be "weird" is not a good argument. That would only leave the possibility of Simba and Nala being (half) siblings.
It has been confirmed that Scar is NOT Kovu's father. And there would be other surviving cubs during Scar's reign as king. Zira is likely close in age to Simba and Nala. There would be no lions left if they were all the same age as Sirabi by the end of the first movie since she didn't appear in the second movie. So in order for there to be a pride in the second movie there has to have been lions who were cubs with Simba and Nala or born early in Scar's reign.
For Vitani I think she might have been the daughter of Nala do to the pink nose. Zira and Scar both don’t have pink noses and Vitani has similar fur to Nala. The dark around the eyes could be from Scar as well so Nala must have given Vitani to Zira but she could also be the daughter of some other lioness. The pink nose doesn’t seem like it would just happen but I could be wrong.
If kovu was scars cub that would make thing weird between him and Kiara because kaira is simba daughter and Simba‘s dad is Mufasa and his uncle scar so it wouldn’t make sense if kovu was scars cub and if they wheee to have cubs that would be bad because they have one of the same gene running through them and would ultimately make the cubs get sick and die and it wouldn’t make sense to have scar be nala father because in the lion gaurd in a episode called paintings and predictions nala father was shown to have fur similar to Mufasa and having a red mane and we know that Mufasa is not her father because rafiki would have stated that is nalas father Mufasa but instead he states that is nalas father lions grandfather when he was cub so it wouldn’t make sense to have scar or Mufasa be nalas father because of the same reasons kovu is not scars cub
1.What goes against the rules with Zira? What if Nuka is the only biological cub? 2. Zira could have mostly stolen Vitani and Kovu from other prides, cause she was not able to give Scar good heirs (when they had Nuka). 3. or what stops the other females who's outcasts, to go in different places to look for food and just happen to run into/ meet other male lions(lion brothers can look for prides to take over usually kills the already existing cubs, if it wasen't Disney), and these females have cubs away from the outlands. They come back and they can't take care of their cubs, for some reason, and need their pride cause those males won't take responsibility? 4. Or maybe if Kovu is not Zira's, that can explaine his lack of loyalty, and Zira promised his biological mother to care for him? 5. Or Zira was just simply cheating/trying to impress Scar, in order to get his attention by having a cub with another strong male outside the pridelands. And later showing the cub for him when the time is right, maybe not during the time when lionesses, Hyenas and Zazu said "Mufasa was a better king". But when the best time comes, she rans over there and goes: "Here is your next heir, i call him Kovu, we did it Scar aren't you proud of us?" Kinda like how Nuka wanted her approval and love, when they went after Simba and in the beginning of lion king 2 when he caught her some rodents and lost Kovu who went to the pride land? 😅Just my thoughts, i can see this happening😂 Everyone can have their opinion and thought, right?
Honestly, I don't know why it didn't occur to me that Vitani was possibly younger then Kovu. I always assumed she was the same age or a bit older then him. Mostly because Zira seemed to baby Kovu. If he and Vitani were the same age, or Vitani was younger, why did Kovu have a "bed time" in My Lullaby? Zira put Kovu to bed, but Vitani was allowed to stay awake. If she was younger or the same age, I assumed she would have been treated similarly. It was clear Zira hardly cared for Nuka, but she seemed to respect Vitani at least, so neglecting her fully didn't seem like an option at the time. But it also didn't make sense to me that if she was the same age, why Scar would have chosen Kovu over her, unless it was simply because Kovu was a male... even though Simba had no issues making Kiara the queen and Kion left the Pride Lands.
The whole idea of nala being scars means her and Simba were cousins but if you think about it if khovu was scars then khovu and kiara were second or third cousins so neither one of those are right and Nuka is scars so that’s why he was jealous that khovu was scars heir
Kovu can't be Scar's. It's mentioned in the movie. Nuka: "Kovu, Kovu, Kovu. Scar wasn't even his father. He just took him in." I do believe Nuka and Vitani could be Scar's but not Kovu. If Kovu was Scar's then that make Kovu and Kiara cousins. And Disney wouldn't or hopefully wouldn't do that. However, TLK is loosely inspired by Hamlet. And that's messed up in its own way.
Not sure why it’s even in the video as everyone knows that Scar is NOT Kovus farther it is confirmed in the Lion King 2 so never should have made it in this video at all
Actually Kovu and Vitani are adopted Nuka is the one who is biological Scar and Zira's son Kovu and Vitani are fully brother and sister but not by Zira and Scar but from lion and lioness
I strongly believe Kovu is Scar’s cub and they only down played it because of the cousin thing, but that’s animals for you. But it also doesn’t make sense if he is the same age as Kiara and Kiara wasn’t alive during Scar’s life. The movie itself makes no sense because of that because then Kovu would be a whole year or more than Kiara. Shows you that the writers weren’t thinking. But if I suspend belief long enough to get through the story I’m ok with him being Scar’s. They are animals. It doesn’t weird me out like it does for some.
Scar have four mates they are sarafina,zingela,zira and sarabi with sarafina he was the father to Nala and mheetu with zingela he was the father to Kula with zira he was the father to nuka and sumali with sarabi he was the father to ujana and misa
Kovu is absolutely not scar's son. He is raised by zira (which is his adoptive mother, not biological), and Scar is not the mate of Zira, and Zira's biological cubs are only Nuka and Vitani, not Kovu, even tho Kovu grew up with them. Neither Nuka, Vitani, or Kovu are Scar's cubs. The reason Kovu's name is Kovu is because of the scar on his face
I do believe that Kovu actually is Scars unbeknownst to either of them. Lets say for eg that when scar was king he trcked nala into having his wicked way with her and so on the first gilm when she goes in search for help and finds Simba she was already pregnant, when he refuses she goes off alone and goes into labour delivering Kofu alone, she feels riddled with guilt yet also feels deeply ashamed for having given birth to the heir of scar deciding that she couldnt keep the cub she safely places him in a spot where hopefully he eill be found by someone who will care for him as she loves her cub but fears what scar may do to it and also feats the influence scar may have on the young cubs life. So she hides him after an emotional farewell she leaves not looking back once, rventually zeera comes along with her own two kids who end up coming across baby kofu and play with him eventually convincing zeera to take the otphaned cub slong with them. Hey im jus saying peeps
So in your theory Kovu and Kiara are half siblings. Would work if Disney would've actually built the family tree around how real Lions procreate. Theoretically every cub on Pride Rock is fathered by Mufasa and later Simba. Scar fathered all cubs in his reign and whenever the king changes all cubs get killed by the new king. Also males get exiled and aren't next in line. Disney wanted them human like so even though the theory is nice it's wrong simply because it's a movie for children.
The books are not canon. Just the movies and The Lion Guard. I saw a video a while back that the author never got permission from Disney to use their name. And states that his books are not canon. So anything that happened in any of the books isn't true. So all these extra lions are not actually related. Nala's father has a red mane, but it is never stated in the Lion Guard what his name was. That is why Disney was good with letting Simba and Nala get together. There was also an interview with the Disney writers and directors stating that Kovu and Kira are not related. So Kovu is not Scars son. We don't know who his father is because it was never stated in the movie or the Lion Guard.
I dont think scar had to many cubs due to the pride lands falling into his horrible state and if he had sons he would have chased them off when they became of age to breed . The female cubs may have died off due to having not much food or the pack killing them
You do not have permission to use NostalgicChills' art, nor do you have permission to profit off using stolen art. Please change the thumbnail. With that being said, Kovu and Vitani are NOT Scar's children and neither is Nala. Nuka is implied to be his son. This video is spreading disinformation that Nuka literally disproves in the opening of TLK2 (Kovu, Kovu, Kovu. Scar wasn't even his father; he just took him in).
The thing is the fact that he’s one of the few male lions there says he has a good portion of the females there since the female lions I am the leader and his in a circle, which are the rest of the male lions in the pride and children of age. They typically get banished for they could get different pride
I think nuka and vitani are scar's cub's , not Nala and kovu . But what about the Outlander lionesses , there are no grown males so I think 🤔 scar fathered cub's. I mean vitanis lion guard could be, what do you think
You also forget, The Lion Guard is Canon in this universe, and they show a cave painting of a lion cub with a shock of red mane falling out of a tree. Rafiki specifically says that that cub was Nala's Father, Kion's Grandfather, and the only other lion besides Simba with a red mane was Mufasa. Nala and Simba are Half siblings. I honestly think that Scar Kept Nala around because she was a Female Cub and would thus be able to have cubs of her own and be another hunter. As far as he knew Simba was dead and wouldn't be returning so he saw Nala would be useful to him
When you forget that the movie outright says KOVU ISNT SCARS SON and make a video like this to show the demographic you're aiming for that you have zero personal interest in the franchise youre making videos about. Edit: don't forget that Nala is Simba's half sister as mufasa is the only male allowed to mate with the lionesses in the pride since THATS HOW LION PRIDES WORK.
Hey everyone can we then just stop and think.... If the king kills all other male lions cubs and fathers multiple cubs from multiple lionesses.... Just think SIMBA AND NALA ARE BROTHER AND SISTER 💀💀💀
I remember Nuka saying "Kovu, Kovu, Kovu. Scar wasn't even his father. He just took him in" in The Lion King 2 when he was about to be a scolded by Zira for not looking after Kovu. Just a humble correction
I believe that Zira isn't his biological mother and she and Scar didn't know who's child he was so ofc they let him know that he was an orphan and that most likely chose him bcuz he looked more in shape than Nuka and looked more like Scar than him
Though, I theorise that Kovu's mom is from the Pride Lands, either Sarabi, Nala or another lioness and that they abandoned him and sometime later Scar or Zira found him
I know, it’s literally confirmed that scar ISN’T the father (this was for the sole purpose of avoiding inbreeding, since nala is related to scar, and mated with kovu)
@@SundaeStudiosAnimationnala isnt related to scar, if she was it would have created issues for disney, there is however a rouge lion that is in one of the books that is supposed to be nala's father, it is also mentioned again in the lion guard who nala's father was
@KittensUnited When was this? Only "confirmations" were from Kovu and Nuka plus I already theorised how they don't matter as they're incorrect knowledge claims
@KittensUnited I think you ment Kiara would be related to scar, because that's simba daughter and who mated with kovu
Kovu told Simba ( before Zira's ambush) that Scar is not his father, and earlier Nuka also said to Vitani " Scar wasn't even his father".
I believe that Zira isn't his biological mother and she and Scar didn't know who's child he was so ofc they let him know that he was an orphan and that most likely chose him bcuz he looked more in shape than Nuka and looked more like Scar than him
Though, I theorise that Kovu's mom is from the Pride Lands, either Sarabi, Nala or another lioness and that they abandoned him and sometime later Scar or Zira found him
It's not that deep. Kovu and Vitani "aren't" Scar's cubs because that would make them and Kiara cousins. and Idk if you were there for that, but Kovu and Kiara get together at the end of the movie.
@@blobbertmcblob4888And that's why they kept it unclear if he was Kovu's dad or not, doesn't defeat the theory
And yes, it's not that deep.... it's a theory
Kovu isn't scars as stated in lion king 2 multiple times by characters, but vitanani, very well may be his and nalas cub, time line fits, and the deleted scene would make alot more since, sinvmc vitani is in fact a little older then kovu and Kiara, and that's why she was banished cause she'd been born right after movie events, but befire the begins g of 2 were Kiara was born, if rember right its mention in lion gaurd that vitamin is older when kion meets them in the outlands, vitanai being nalas daughter would also explain het hatred fir nala in the lion king 2 as well, cause she's not only jealous of her hand sister, but feels abandoned by her real mother nala, think about how she says at end to Nala weres your pretty daughter nala, the tone that vitanani has when saying feels just sincerely angry and upset at the sane time, also nala knows her, cause nala in the same set of scenes calls her by name
@sirducksworthythe3rd842 If you're replying to me then I'm just gonna apply invincible ignorance cuz I already explained how Kovu's statements make sense and doesn't affect Scar being his father
_The Lion Guard_ already cleared up that Nala's father is neither Mufasa nor Scar.
Really! Who is then?!
@@nicolehegarty4749 It doesn't matter. Even the show didn't reveal his identity or what he looks like.
There's a cave painting of him as a cub in the episode where he was mentioned being rescued by the Lion Guard of that time. He has golden fur, white muzzle and a reddish tuft for a mane.
In the same episode, Kion's friends thought that the cave painting was representing him before Rafiki told the entire story of Nala's father and his grandfather.
@@0deadx21the show does reveal hrr father LOL
@@Asterix_Angel33 You mean physically? It doesn't happen so it doesn't count.
"Kovu, Kovu, Kovu. Scar wasn't even his father. He just... Took him in." Nuka LK2
This line makes me think that the implication is nuka and vitani are scars kids
I think that Nuka was The only cub Scar had because of their similar skinny appearence and dark mane, Vitani is Tama and Tojo's cub because Tama has the same head tuft and Tojo has blue eyes similar to Vitani, Kovu's parents are Chumvi and Kula because Chumvi has the same face expression as Kovu and Nala's parents are Sarafina (confirmed) because they have the same appereance and a lion that appears in the lion guard episode "Paintings and Predictions,, he appears in a painting where he is about to fall from a tree but he is saved from the lion guard of his day, but he never appears in the movie because in my headcanon he was a member of Scar's guard and he died after Scar used the Roar against his guard and that happened when Sarafina was pregnant with Nala
Mheetu was also Scar’s cub with Sarafina because he was born during the dark years when Scar took over the pridelands. He’s also the younger brother of Nala with the same mom and brother of Nuka with the same dad. Unfortunately he died from a sickness of starvation due to the drought, lack of food and water in the pridelands
I truly like this theory, but the only problem is, the books aren't technically cannon meaning if you'd like to use the books then yes this would probably be accurate but what this guy is trying to do is use the deleted and fully animated cannon scenes to make sense of the timeliness and family tree.
@@ToastAndButter279 I know the books aren't canon but I like to use the books so the theorys would be more accurate, I also sometimes use deleted scenes and confirmed things to add to the theorys
Scar had two sons. One was Nuka from Zira and one was Mheetu from Sarafina. Nuka and Mheetu are brothers with the same father. Mheetu is the younger brother of Nala with the same mom
This Mheetu you speak of doesn’t even exist
@@donnastarpaw Just your opinion. But imma believe what I know of and that’s what I stand on. He did exist
Thats another reason nala lived in the movie because scar is her stepfather
@@SophiaThomas-ip9sh You got a point🤷🏾♂️
Kovu wasn't Scar's kid. Nuka even comments on this at one point in the Lion King 2. he mentioned that Zira found Kovu and took him in. in the musical version, there was a cut scene that put Scar having fathered Vitani with Nala. as for Kovu, he was either found by Zira and Scar, or Zira simply kidnapped him from another pride.
I believe that Zira isn't his biological mother and she and Scar didn't know who's child he was so ofc they let him know that he was an orphan and that most likely chose him bcuz he looked more in shape than Nuka and looked more like Scar than him
Though, I theorise that Kovu's mom is from the Pride Lands, either Sarabi, Nala or another lioness and that they abandoned him and sometime later Scar or Zira found him
Kovu also says it himself that Scar isn’t his father he says this”Scar wasn’t my father but he was still a part of me” he says that at some point in the movie
tbh im a strong beleiver that Kovu was fathered by a male lion who was from the Night Pride(?) or in the very least his birth mother was probably from the Night Pride and Zira just took him in. Scar possibly did father Nuka with Zira being Nuka's mom) and since the scene where Scar came onto Nala was semi-canon (I say semi-canon because it was a deleted scene that was added in the broadway version), Scar ffathered Viani with Nala being the mom but Nala abandoned Vitani or Vitani was probably stolen by Zira. So if Kovu was Scar's kid, he and Kiara and Simba would be cousins.
Disney proved Lion Guard was cannon and in lion guard they said Nala's father was a guard member that Scar killed
0:20 Isn't that Lion King family tree fanmade?
Where is Kion, Simba's and Nala's son?
That's what I'd like to know.
Why do you ask?
It was stated in the Lion King 2 that Scar wasn't Kovu's father.
But I do know that there is a theory that Vitani isn't Zira's daughter but Nala's because their eyes (irises) are a very similar shade of blue. And because the original Lion King, Disney planned on having Scar try to hit up Nala, she could have gotten pregnant from him and then had Vitani. But when Simba takes over Pride Rock, Nala gives Vitani to Zira because of the painful reminder of who Vitani's father is. Especially because in Lion King 2, with the Lioness Fight scene, Vitani is straight up savage with Nala and it could just be more of a her anger from being abandoned for a "better daughter".
That was only to avoid kissing cousin.
Did y'all forget Kovu in the movie said Scar isn't his father?
Simba is around 3 years old when he went back to Pride rock judging by his mane.
do you remember in the lion guard when Kovu met Kion? “What happened to Zira?” Kion asked Kovu “Zira has completed her circle of life”. Wait ZIRA?! Did Kovu meant “my mother?”
At that point he hadn’t considered Zira his mother because Zira was Making kovu think simba was the enemy when he wasn’t the enemy
@@Nayelithegoat Kovu doesn’t even look like Zira
Why is nuka and vatani being scars cubs even a question
Its canon that nuka and vatani are scars cubs and desptite the resemblance kovu is adopted
It's not canon, but it's very strongly hinted at.
@@A-Kira there is no way they're not
Zira is confirmed to be nukas mother(he calls her mother in the movie) but I'm not sure about vitani
And since there are no other males that we've seen scar would have to be the father
Edit: plus zira IS scars mate
@@BlackAndWhiteScribbles It's clear to me that I also believe that at least nuka is Scar's son, but unfortunately we have to admit that it's not 100% confirmed.
Kovuo himself stated that Scar wasn't his father when he and Kiara were talking after the rhino chase scene
another thing mentioned in the deleted scene of the lion king 2 “who is mother talking to?” Nuka asked Vitani “Scar”. Vitani replied “where! where!” Nuka yelled “Scar’s dead genius!” Vitani shouted at Nuka
Has anyone wondered why in the scene of Simba exiling Kovu why does Scars reflection appear in the water when Kovu is looking at it
Scar took kovu in so he's a father like figure or maybe because they're so similar
I have the theory of Vitani being Nala and Scar's child. That creepy scene with Scar was true, and she became pregnant, gave birth to Vitani, possibly not acknowledging her as her daughter, fled from Pride Rock to the jungles, and then after the whole ordeal with Simba defeating Scar, Zira and some other lions was banished to the badlands, and Zira took Vitani with her because she is Scar's child and Nala does not want anything to do with her.
Nala is not Scar's mate because she hates him and they're not in the same generation, Vitani is only, only, only, only, and only Zira's and no one else's child, Vitani is not adopted
@@bwwlgaming I implied that something transpired in the creepy scene for that reason. Nala does not have to be Scar's mate in order to become pregnant by him.
Although she couldn't stand it, it was a normal occurrence in the lion hierarchy as he was the pride's male lion. Furthermore, the fact that they are just one generation apart is not strange.
Try to read between the lines. Because this is a theory, I am neither wrong nor right, and you should not completely dismiss my ideas simply because you claim it's not right.
Kovu, Kiara, and Vitani are all from the same generation. Her eyes are a brilliant violet-blue, and her fur is creamy golden with undertones of black. Zira has nearly beige-brown fur and dark orange eyes. Nala has creamy gold fur and blue eyes that lean towards purple. And Scar, who has stunning green eyes and orange fur with black undertones.
Who is more alike than the other? I'm simply speculating; I'm not stating it as gospel.
Yea guess so
It’s possible that Kovu and Vitani are older than Kiara by a few months at most in the case of Kovu. According to Nuka and Zira; Scar was the one who took Kovu in, likely gave him to Zira to raise, and claimed him as his successor all of which had to have happened before Scar’s death if he acknowledged the cub as his own. That could apply to Vitani’s situation as well because I don’t see Zira going out of her way to raise a cub that wasn’t hers unless it had some connection to Scar.
@@krisynthiagomez5883 zira had no relationship with scar
Scar is not kovus dad, because in the lion, King Simba’s pride, you can hear Nuka say “kovu kovu kovu scar wasn’t even his father”
It was literally said in the movie that scar WASNT kovu's biological father.
Kovu told Kiara plainly that Scar wasn't his father.
I think nala's dad is one of the lion's in the old lion guard
It’s said often in the movie that scar is NOT kovu’s father.
Nuka himself told us that scar wasn’t even kovu’s father. Although kovu was originally going to be scars son. , but was changed to just he was Hannah chosen by scar or in this case Paw chosen. Besides
Kovu’s fur isn’t even red. It’s brown. Even scars mothers for is red.
Kovu he’s not scars son because it is canon in the lion king 2, when nucha said that scar wasn’t even kovu’s father. He probably isn’t Zara’s cup either. His parents probably could’ve been outsiders from the pride lands.
I believe that Zira isn't his biological mother and she and Scar didn't know who's child he was so ofc they let him know that he was an orphan and that most likely chose him bcuz he looked more in shape than Nuka and looked more like Scar than him
Though, I theorise that Kovu's mom is from the Pride Lands, either Sarabi, Nala or another lioness and that they abandoned him and sometime later Scar or Zira found him
Dude needs to watch both movies again and think
Why
@@helenaryan9202 because he got so many things wrong
I don't think that this is his own personal theory. I'm pretty sure that he just cobbled together different fan theories from other people in the Lion king fandom. He's just presenting what other people have been saying on the internet.
@@neoneye1430 be quiet and it what he thinks
@@JonathanLopez-sw3wq why don't you
You left out the detail of nuka saying that kovu isn't scars kid in the second movie. So its obvious that kovu is not one of his kids.
I always figured nuka is scars son as his age it fits the looks but i was never sure of vitani i asumed she was adopted along with kovu
Mrithi, Akiki, Nuka, Nunka, Shetani, Adanna, Ojore, and Vitani: These cubs are the biological children of Scar and his mate, Zira. Nuka and Scar were also born week and small. Kovu is biologically Zira's son but not Scar's
8:10 unless they do something like make a new live action movie in which they reveal that Mufasa and Scar were never biologically related…..
Done
And that's excatly what they did.
Kovu isn’t Scar’s cub and Disney has said so. I think Nuka and Vitani were Scar’s only cubs.
Nuka and kovu both mentioned that scar wasn’t his father
Kovu isnt scars son. Nuka said it and so did kovu. Vitani looks more like Tama and Tojo whilst kovu has Chumvis favcial features and has a darker version of chumvi and kulas fur
Quit making this hard he fathered 3 cubs with and only Zira. Nuka,Kovu, and vitani
Nuka is scars son it shows it in the family trees
I think kovu and Vitani 's parents were killed by zira and scar and zira raised them to be her cubs
Also can you do a theory video on what happened to Rani’s parents and also another one with qween Jana being sarabis sister because they do have similar attitudes.
Saying that Disney would not make Nala Scar's child because her and Simba being cousins would be "weird" is not a good argument. That would only leave the possibility of Simba and Nala being (half) siblings.
Fr, someone js gave me that argument but with Kovu, never been a defeater
It is normal that somewhere in the world that cousins are getting married to each other.
Then that left out song woud be even more disturbing then it was bc if Nala is his then he wanted to mate whit his own daughter
Kovu can’t be scars cub bcs then it will make kovu and Kiera cousins and same for nala it will make simba and nala cousins
ever heard of adoption? also none of them are cousins fake fan
It has been confirmed that Scar is NOT Kovu's father. And there would be other surviving cubs during Scar's reign as king. Zira is likely close in age to Simba and Nala. There would be no lions left if they were all the same age as Sirabi by the end of the first movie since she didn't appear in the second movie. So in order for there to be a pride in the second movie there has to have been lions who were cubs with Simba and Nala or born early in Scar's reign.
For Vitani I think she might have been the daughter of Nala do to the pink nose. Zira and Scar both don’t have pink noses and Vitani has similar fur to Nala. The dark around the eyes could be from Scar as well so Nala must have given Vitani to Zira but she could also be the daughter of some other lioness. The pink nose doesn’t seem like it would just happen but I could be wrong.
I agree the first three theories, but the fourth👎🏾
If kovu was scars cub that would make thing weird between him and Kiara because kaira is simba daughter and Simba‘s dad is Mufasa and his uncle scar so it wouldn’t make sense if kovu was scars cub and if they wheee to have cubs that would be bad because they have one of the same gene running through them and would ultimately make the cubs get sick and die and it wouldn’t make sense to have scar be nala father because in the lion gaurd in a episode called paintings and predictions nala father was shown to have fur similar to Mufasa and having a red mane and we know that Mufasa is not her father because rafiki would have stated that is nalas father Mufasa but instead he states that is nalas father lions grandfather when he was cub so it wouldn’t make sense to have scar or Mufasa be nalas father because of the same reasons kovu is not scars cub
Kovu was not scars son. It's was mentioned many times in the second movie.
Nila and Kofu isn't scar cubs. I think Scar have 1 cub being Nuka and maybe Vantani from a different lioness.
1.What goes against the rules with Zira? What if Nuka is the only biological cub?
2. Zira could have mostly stolen Vitani and Kovu from other prides, cause she was not able to give Scar good heirs (when they had Nuka).
3. or what stops the other females who's outcasts, to go in different places to look for food and just happen to run into/ meet other male lions(lion brothers can look for prides to take over usually kills the already existing cubs, if it wasen't Disney), and these females have cubs away from the outlands.
They come back and they can't take care of their cubs, for some reason, and need their pride cause those males won't take responsibility?
4. Or maybe if Kovu is not Zira's, that can explaine his lack of loyalty, and Zira promised his biological mother to care for him?
5. Or Zira was just simply cheating/trying to impress Scar, in order to get his attention by having a cub with another strong male outside the pridelands. And later showing the cub for him when the time is right, maybe not during the time when lionesses, Hyenas and Zazu said "Mufasa was a better king". But when the best time comes, she rans over there and goes: "Here is your next heir, i call him Kovu, we did it Scar aren't you proud of us?"
Kinda like how Nuka wanted her approval and love, when they went after Simba and in the beginning of lion king 2 when he caught her some rodents and lost Kovu who went to the pride land?
😅Just my thoughts, i can see this happening😂 Everyone can have their opinion and thought, right?
Honestly, I don't know why it didn't occur to me that Vitani was possibly younger then Kovu. I always assumed she was the same age or a bit older then him. Mostly because Zira seemed to baby Kovu. If he and Vitani were the same age, or Vitani was younger, why did Kovu have a "bed time" in My Lullaby? Zira put Kovu to bed, but Vitani was allowed to stay awake. If she was younger or the same age, I assumed she would have been treated similarly. It was clear Zira hardly cared for Nuka, but she seemed to respect Vitani at least, so neglecting her fully didn't seem like an option at the time. But it also didn't make sense to me that if she was the same age, why Scar would have chosen Kovu over her, unless it was simply because Kovu was a male... even though Simba had no issues making Kiara the queen and Kion left the Pride Lands.
Bro it has literally been I said in Lion King 2 that's cool boo is NOT SCARS son at all
They mention in lion guard that kiara and kion great great Uncle is Scar
The whole idea of nala being scars means her and Simba were cousins but if you think about it if khovu was scars then khovu and kiara were second or third cousins so neither one of those are right and Nuka is scars so that’s why he was jealous that khovu was scars heir
I don't think kovu is but i have my theory but i do think the other two were
I would not like to be scar kids that all I am doing to say
Going to say
Kovu can't be Scar's. It's mentioned in the movie.
Nuka: "Kovu, Kovu, Kovu. Scar wasn't even his father. He just took him in."
I do believe Nuka and Vitani could be Scar's but not Kovu.
If Kovu was Scar's then that make Kovu and Kiara cousins. And Disney wouldn't or hopefully wouldn't do that.
However, TLK is loosely inspired by Hamlet. And that's messed up in its own way.
They where going to do that then the CEO at the time was like they would be cousins and he made them change it.
Not sure why it’s even in the video as everyone knows that Scar is NOT Kovus farther it is confirmed in the Lion King 2 so never should have made it in this video at all
Credit the artists you keep stealing from for your thumbnails, please. Thanks. The one you used for this video was mine, aka NostalgicChills
For me Nuka and Vitani always Scar abd Zira's cubs.
Who is blud’s babymommas? 😭
Actually Kovu and Vitani are adopted Nuka is the one who is biological Scar and Zira's son Kovu and Vitani are fully brother and sister but not by Zira and Scar but from lion and lioness
I strongly believe Kovu is Scar’s cub and they only down played it because of the cousin thing, but that’s animals for you. But it also doesn’t make sense if he is the same age as Kiara and Kiara wasn’t alive during Scar’s life. The movie itself makes no sense because of that because then Kovu would be a whole year or more than Kiara. Shows you that the writers weren’t thinking. But if I suspend belief long enough to get through the story I’m ok with him being Scar’s. They are animals. It doesn’t weird me out like it does for some.
Scar have four mates they are sarafina,zingela,zira and sarabi with sarafina he was the father to Nala and mheetu with zingela he was the father to Kula with zira he was the father to nuka and sumali with sarabi he was the father to ujana and misa
Kovu is absolutely not scar's son. He is raised by zira (which is his adoptive mother, not biological), and Scar is not the mate of Zira, and Zira's biological cubs are only Nuka and Vitani, not Kovu, even tho Kovu grew up with them. Neither Nuka, Vitani, or Kovu are Scar's cubs. The reason Kovu's name is Kovu is because of the scar on his face
Ok so you’re telling mw that simba had a daughter with his cousing and then the daughter married the son of her great uncle 😅
I do believe that Kovu actually is Scars unbeknownst to either of them. Lets say for eg that when scar was king he trcked nala into having his wicked way with her and so on the first gilm when she goes in search for help and finds Simba she was already pregnant, when he refuses she goes off alone and goes into labour delivering Kofu alone, she feels riddled with guilt yet also feels deeply ashamed for having given birth to the heir of scar deciding that she couldnt keep the cub she safely places him in a spot where hopefully he eill be found by someone who will care for him as she loves her cub but fears what scar may do to it and also feats the influence scar may have on the young cubs life. So she hides him after an emotional farewell she leaves not looking back once, rventually zeera comes along with her own two kids who end up coming across baby kofu and play with him eventually convincing zeera to take the otphaned cub slong with them. Hey im jus saying peeps
So in your theory Kovu and Kiara are half siblings. Would work if Disney would've actually built the family tree around how real Lions procreate. Theoretically every cub on Pride Rock is fathered by Mufasa and later Simba. Scar fathered all cubs in his reign and whenever the king changes all cubs get killed by the new king. Also males get exiled and aren't next in line. Disney wanted them human like so even though the theory is nice it's wrong simply because it's a movie for children.
The books are not canon. Just the movies and The Lion Guard. I saw a video a while back that the author never got permission from Disney to use their name. And states that his books are not canon. So anything that happened in any of the books isn't true. So all these extra lions are not actually related. Nala's father has a red mane, but it is never stated in the Lion Guard what his name was. That is why Disney was good with letting Simba and Nala get together. There was also an interview with the Disney writers and directors stating that Kovu and Kira are not related. So Kovu is not Scars son. We don't know who his father is because it was never stated in the movie or the Lion Guard.
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New movie is setting kovu up to be his REAL son
is there going to be a new movie?
People saying that Nala and Simba is actually vitani’s real parents 🤯
First of all kovu is parents are chumvi and kula not scar and zira
Vitamin is older than kovu
I dont think scar had to many cubs due to the pride lands falling into his horrible state and if he had sons he would have chased them off when they became of age to breed . The female cubs may have died off due to having not much food or the pack killing them
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With that being said, Kovu and Vitani are NOT Scar's children and neither is Nala. Nuka is implied to be his son. This video is spreading disinformation that Nuka literally disproves in the opening of TLK2 (Kovu, Kovu, Kovu. Scar wasn't even his father; he just took him in).
scar cub was nuka and azra thoose are his only cubs he had
Azra was from a fan comic... Not canon.
The thing is the fact that he’s one of the few male lions there says he has a good portion of the females there since the female lions I am the leader and his in a circle, which are the rest of the male lions in the pride and children of age. They typically get banished for they could get different pride
I always assumed scar tried but for some reason medically he was unable to have kids perhaps why he wasn’t chosen to be king.
No he has the unfortunate position if being second born.
I think nuka and vitani are scar's cub's , not Nala and kovu . But what about the Outlander lionesses , there are no grown males so I think 🤔 scar fathered cub's. I mean vitanis lion guard could be, what do you think
You also forget, The Lion Guard is Canon in this universe, and they show a cave painting of a lion cub with a shock of red mane falling out of a tree. Rafiki specifically says that that cub was Nala's Father, Kion's Grandfather, and the only other lion besides Simba with a red mane was Mufasa. Nala and Simba are Half siblings. I honestly think that Scar Kept Nala around because she was a Female Cub and would thus be able to have cubs of her own and be another hunter. As far as he knew Simba was dead and wouldn't be returning so he saw Nala would be useful to him
I'm just hear to thumbs down for the AI art : p
Theories are interesting but weird.
When you forget that the movie outright says KOVU ISNT SCARS SON and make a video like this to show the demographic you're aiming for that you have zero personal interest in the franchise youre making videos about.
Edit: don't forget that Nala is Simba's half sister as mufasa is the only male allowed to mate with the lionesses in the pride since THATS HOW LION PRIDES WORK.
Bro thinks he knows everything 😂
Nala's father is absolutely not Mufasa, and Sarafina and Naanda are two separate characters, so no way they could be half-brother and half-sister
I'm taking over the comment section
Hey everyone can we then just stop and think.... If the king kills all other male lions cubs and fathers multiple cubs from multiple lionesses.... Just think SIMBA AND NALA ARE BROTHER AND SISTER 💀💀💀
Source please.
How Scar got his scar is as lame as his Nick Furry got his scar.
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