I kind of assumed Sarabi became Scar's queen as a kid because she still seemed to be the top lionness. Then I learned that the movie is basically 'Hamlet,' which would suggest the same idea.
My guess is that during scar’s reign, zira and scar killed lions outside of pride rock along with some sick and/or disabled cubs but always taking the healthier cubs and raising them as their own. That might also means that vatani and kovu were adopted by the two phyco lions. The reason why scar and zira favored kovu is because he was just like scar and more suitable heir even though they are not related. Nuka is possibly the non suitable male because he was weaker that zira and scar would have killed him. In the wild some of the lioness kills their own cubs when a new male arrives and they do this in mercy.
Nuka could be Scar's and Srabbi's cub since Srabbi has red eyes and Scar has dark mane and dark skin.... comment and plz let me know what you guys think of this theory
Despite his having the darker mane, Scar, by his own admission, isn't the stronger of the two males in that pride. So, Sarabi's being with Mufasa, who is the strong one, actually makes sense.
Kovu, Vitani & Nuka are not Scar's children. Zira specifies this in TLK2. it's specified again in the Lion Guard where there's an entire episode dedicated to Kovu's bloodline; Zira says to Kovu's face that he isn't hers, that she killed his real parents and kidnapped him as a cub and raised him to be a killer. he spends the entire episode coming to terms with this information, and grieves the fact that he will never know his real parents.
@@supermiraculousladybug6731 that means nothing, all pridelanders have that look. Zira literally said to Kovu's face that he is not Scar's kid but she desperately wished that he was because she was so obsessed with Scar, but Scar did not want her as a mate.
@@paulabarnes233 if any of them were Scar's kid, they would have automatically been next in line for his place in the outlands. Scar did not have any kids, therefore Zira had to pick up some random kid and train him (over her own children). if Vitani or Nuka were Scar's kids, Kovu would have had no reason to exist at all, they would just take his place.
Actually, in TLK2, Kovu says that he isn't Scar's son. While Vitani calls Zira mother, its never confirmed. In fact, the only confirmed cub of Zira's is Nuka, and Nuka is likely Scar's son. Just based on body shape and coloration. I believe Nuka at some point in the movie even says "I'm Scar's real son" or something along those lines. Idk about the Lion Guard, and mostly I ignore it because what little I have watched completely contradicts its own lore.
You would be correct. Disney has confirmed that Vitani is Zira's but she has no confirmed father. Nuka is Scar's only canonical child. Nuka does in fact say "He's not even Scar's son." And he also says "I'm his true heir." Confirming that Nuka is infact Scar's son
I think in the new lion king scar says that sarabi chose Mufasa over him suggesting that Scar liked her and were probably friends in the past . Nuka in my opinion is the cub of Zira and scar, Vitani probably came from a lioness similar build to sarafina & Nala with Scar as father and Kovu was adopted by Zira
It is never conformed that Nuka, Vitani, and/or Kovu are Scars children. Kovu is Scar's "chose air to the throne", according to Zira in The Lion King 2. Which suggests he is no Scar's child. If Nuka or Vitani was Scar's cub they would likely be air to the throne autonatically, like Simba when he was born. It is stated that the lion in exile in the Lion King 2 still supported Scar. So it could be that there were lions that were open and willing to mate with Scar, and the others the didn't support Scar refused to mate with Scar. Because these are lions that are behaving more like humans than real lions.
I remember learning this about lions not too long ago and something that came to mind was that if the lion king was based on real life lions then Nala would have been killed since she was a cub when Scar took over the pride.
One theory for Scar sparing Nala is that she's his daughter. The whole point of specifying Scar wasn't Kovu's father is to let viewers know Kovu and Kiara aren't related. As well as Nuka stating his claim to the throne.
Ok but he shouldn't have let her go look for Simba.all he had to do was have her physically restrained by his Hyenas and Simba would never have came also his Hyenas should have eaten that wise monkey dud with his staff that way there's no chance of simbas return and scar wins easily
@@FamilyHistoriandude TRUE but I'm saying if scar was smarter HE'D have her guarded and if she tried to escape he'd probably feed her to the Hyenas XD question what did you think would happen to Nala if she was caught trying to escape? I think scar would have his Hyenas eat her till nothings left cuz Hyenas do that IRL XD how about your opinion? I'd like to hear it
Yeah... This is just a theory, luckily... Nuka is not Sarabi's. Kovu isn't related to Scar nor Sarabi in any way... He even says so in The Lion King 2: "Scar wasn't my father-..." as well as Nuka saying: "Kovu, Kovu, Kovu, Scar wasn't even his father. He just took him in." So yeah... a THEORY.
In a deleted scene from TLK2 Kovu said that Scar wasn't his father, Scar just chose him to be the next king, even in the actual movie Nuka says Scar wasn't even his father
I believe that Vitani is Nala's Cub due to the fact that vitani had to have been kin to the royal family in order to take on the role of the leader of the lion guard which it said that only the royal family can be the leader of the lion guard. Am I not correct
3:04 he didnt done that. I mean he probably could but Nala is still alive and when Scar take over the kingdom she was as young as Simba. 4:08 Scar could be just unable to have childeren, that would also explain his position in hierarchy.
The light and dark mane attractiveness is true; however, given their general physique and health, I suspect actual lions in Scar and Mufasa's positions would have had opposite mane colors. Dark manes are usually found on mature and healthy male lions, not underweight or sickly ones.
I believe that vitani is nala’s cub and kovu may be Sarabi and some other lions cub (bc it’s said constantly in TLK2 he’s not scars son) but nuka was defiantly scar and zira’s kid nuka even says it he calls zira mom and he says a line about how he was scars son and I think it was confirmed he was first born to scar and zira but he was too weak and scar didn’t like that so scar chose someone else (something along those lines idk look it up)
I don't think that kovu is Sarabis cub bc then kovu and simba would of been half brothers and kovu would have been dating his niece and also I don't think vitani is nalas cub bc if vitani was scar and nalas child vitani would be simbas cousin and even tho kopa'the son of simba and nala' isn't canon vitani would have been dating her half brother😅
My theory, Zira and Scar had cubs but Nuka was the only survivor and was sickly, which meant Scar didn’t want Zira’s cubs to be his heirs. Scar planned on his and Sarafina’s son, Mheetu, being his heir, but Mheetu was killed somehow. Zira hatched a new plan. Scar, by this time, had fathered lots of cubs with the lionesses, so it wouldn’t make sense for his bio son to be his heir bc then who could his son have for a mate if everyone is his half-sister? So Scar would choose a lioness to be the mother of the future queen, and Zira would go get pregnant by some rogue. At this point, Scar umm admired Nala to put it lightly so she was chosen. Zira found a rogue lion who was actually related to the Night Pride from the Lion Guard show. The plan, the son of Zira and the daughter of Scar would be the next King and Queen, Kovu and Vitani. That all changed when Nala found Simba, Scar died, Vitani hated her mother for the betrayal, Kopa was born and Zira killed him and was exiled, and then later Kiara was born and Kovu fell for her, but anyways that was the original plan in my theory
in tlk2 it is specifically stated that kovu isn't scars bio kid, but rather adopted. that's why nuka gets so upset. cause him and vitani are scared kids but because scar the youngest and didnt get to be king he wanted his youngest to be king (meaning kovu since scar adopted him)
Scar mates with the lions in the outlands. He never mated with those on pride rock as he saw the females there were beneath him. Also it’s a cartoon… not real life.
I personally think zira was dating scar during his reign so when they had their first cub nuka, scar found nuka weak then they tryed again and had vitani so scar was getting impatient so zira went to go steal a cub from another pride kovu and when she presented him to scar he was pleased but eventually scar was killed and zira killed simbas son sometime after getting exiled along with her kids and end up finding other outcast lioness like her and became a pride leader
Zira explicitly admits in TLK2 that she wanted to be with Scar but he refused to date her and was not interested in her as a potential mate. it's why she's so angry all of the time, and why she insists that Kovu must be trained by her to take Scar's place - it's the only thing she can do, the closest she will ever come, to being with Scar.
Ujasiri (male) and Furaha (female) are the real parents of Kovu, whom they had originally named, Bahati. The Lion Guard: Kovu’s Parental Condition is the 44th episode of Season 56. After learning from Zira that she killed his real parents and took him away from them to raise him into an evil lion like Scar, Kovu can't help but feel too hateful towards the lioness whom he had called his mother for so long that Kiara and Vitani are starting to worry about him. i looked it up, and youre wrong. google is free.
I have to disagree.. there was a deleted scene of scar wanting to get with Nala. It was going to be a musical number and scar did have kids. Well kids he took in but kids none the less..
In the lion 2 nuka said that kovu was taken in by scar and wasn't his that why nyka hated kovu because kovu was raised to be scars air but wasn't even his son
Sarabi and scar didnt have a cub and probably werent together because mufasa was the larger and stronger of the two despite his lighter mane. Also it is a disney movie and clearly it isnt based entirely off of real life.
Technically he did when he slashed her for mentioning Mufasa. After the fight, she is never seen again implying she died from her wounds or burned to death in the fire.
I'm pretty sure their was a reunion between Simba & Sarabi after Scar dies & the rain comes after the fire. So I don't think she died until Simba & Nala were parents or TLK2.
thinking of Nuka, he has Scars colours and build and Sarabis eye colours (yh ik Zira had red eyes too but hear me out) it would explain why Zira didnt think as highly of him compared to Kovu and Vitani (who are hers but with a different male)
Nuka and vitaani are scars children but. Vitaani can't be related because kopa is nalas son and vitaani is married with kopa but zira injured kopa to make him die
I don’t think she could have had a child with scar because at the last fighting seen she stated out “If you were half the king Maufasa was-“ And then he hit her
I think Nuka is biologically Zira and Scar's son because Zira is overly protective of him. Kovu was Scar's child (possibly from Sarabi) and Vitani was most likely from Zira. There is a deleted scene where Scar wants to marry/have cubs with Nala (but rightfully so, it was taken out) but I don't think their relationship ever got to that extent. But it is possible that Kiara and Kovu are related, through Scar and Sarabi, making Kovu her "uncle."
If kovu was Sarabi and scars son that would mean Kiara and kovu were cousins or related in some way…. In the wild as you say, this would cause many health problems for their cubs if they had any. As Kiara is the daughter of simba, and simba is the son of mufasa, that’s blood relatives right there…. However if your basing all this off the live action movie scar and mufasa are not related, but sirabi having a cub with scar and it being kovu would still make Kiara and kovu related….
Honestly, they built scar like he looked like a bad guy but also is more like a good guy handsome looking but Mufasa, they won’t make him like Jesus, but from 24 /7 shops
If Vitaly was Nala’s daughter, Simba wouldn’t have exiled Vani because well she’s related to scar and scars related to Simba and I honestly don’t think that is Vitaly’s mother
A quanto pare, è vero questo fatto se qualcuno vuol sapere o se hai curiosità, come me (Non preoccuparti: non ti attaccherò se non sei d'accordo con me lol): Secondo agli scrittori di Il Re Leone hanno scartato l'idea Kovu è un figlio di Scar e, invece, chiarito nel film non aveva una relazione biologica con lui dopo avevano realizzato le sfumature incestuose che avrebbe avuto la sua storia d'amore con Kiara. Quel scena con Nuka chi parla con Vitani è la prova sufficiente ma, (ovviamente) non è troppa vera abbastanza per alcuni qua. Voi mi fate ride. 😆 Senza dubbi, anch'io credo che Nuka è il figlio proprio di Scar. C'è molto geloso contra di lui, centra Kovu vicino fisicamente a Nuka oppure no. Altrimenti perché Nuka lo avrebbe invidiato se lui non fosse l'erede di Scar?Anche; per quelli di voi chi pensano Vitani non sia la figlia di Zira, bisogna farsi controllare gli occhi o del genere. 😅 È l'immagine sputata di lei. Verso alla fine del Branco di Simba, quando Zira le ordina ad attaccare Simba, Kovu e Kiara, Vitani parla ed la dice: "No, madre. Kiara ha ragione. Basta così."
Actually,he didn't k!// her ALSO, because the lionesses hunt and Sarabi is their leader. Scar even told the hyenas that the lions don't hunt, lionesses do
I Love Scar!! He's Super Adorable And Handsome! And It Is True That Black Mane Lions Are More Attractive To Lionesses..I Love Lion King More Than Anything, But It's Definitely Not Realistic To The Way Lion Prides Work... Realistically Scar Would Never Be A Villain, He Did What Lions Do! Not To Mention Other Faults 😅😍👑
So most of this does make a bit of sense, except that Scar was obviously the weaker of the two lions. Mufasa was the stronger, despite having a lighter colored mane so it makes sense that Sarabi chose Mufasa over Scar. Strength is everything in lion prides. Yes, a darker mane does signify this, but not if there's something genetically wrong with the lion. Scar was obviously weak from the start despite having the darker mane. Therefore, Mufasa would be favored by the lionesses for his strength. Now, regarding Lion King 2, Vitani and Nuka are both more likely to be related to Scar. Nuka says "Scar wasn't even his father" when he was referring to Kovu. This implies that both he and Vitani were Scar's children. From how Zira was talking as well, she must have been apart of the Pride at some point during Scar's tyrannical reign over Pride Rock and how she goes on about him in the second movie implie that she was his mate, his Queen if we're sticking to Disney logic. Now, as to Kovu's genes and why he's stronger than Scar might be because Zira wanted Scar to have a worthy heir and thus sought out a strong, fit lion to secure that heir for Scar due to her devotion to him. Why he's closer in color to Scar is a mystery in of itself but fans speculate that Scar isn't the only lion with that color pallet. There could have been another. Also, basic genetics in animals, nine times out of ten, the children will take on characteristics of their father. Vitani and Nuka were scrawny with Nuka's color pallet being identical to Scar's own, indicating that Nuka was Scar's true son while VItani resembled her mother more. As for the connection between Vitani and Nala, I can neither verify nor deny your claim to Vitani having some form of hatred toward Nala while saying that. It's possible, but there's a LOT in these movies Disney never unpacked and have left fans to decide on their own what happened. However, there IS a deleted scene where Nala had been summoned by Scar and Scar was trying to woo her. Vitani being Nala's daughter COULD be true based off this deleted scene ALONE, except that Nala DENIED Scar. But, if it was playing more by real lion rules, Nala wouldn't have had a say in the matter and Scar would have.....forcefully. You fill in the blanks. :P So that COULD have been the cause for Vitani's hatred toward Nala. It's a possibility, but not concrete.
That's a lie the head lionesses chooses who is the strongest to lead her pride so Mufusa would have been her choice because he has proven he was fit to be a king and handle tough situations when it was time to take charge and Scar was selfish and only care about himself and he had other animals defend him when situations got tough
They go for dominance not color in real life so Mufasa would still be the head Lion. Scar is weak they event hit at it when Mufasa says is that a challenge and Scar backs down! In real life darker maned Lions tend to be more dominant but the dominance is what draws in a mate not the color.
We see in the lion king Scar is more malnourished than his brother mufasa so in reality even though scar has a darker mane he wouldnt have been attactive to the lionesses as to them he wouldnt be strong and not ideally healthy equalling to unhealthy cubs in the lionesses eyes so they would reject him then there is the fact that all cubs in a lion pride are from one male or in some cases two male brother's so as mufasa is the stongest of the brother's the females would likely accept him and just tolerate scar being around. Its hard to compare the lion king to reality because they dont really act how a animals act in the wild for example scar killed his brother through his smarts not brute strength not saying lions arnt smart but i dont think they plot like scar does lol but its a fun discussion though :)
Sarabi showed her dislike for Scar. So I doubt that at all. But I do admit I enjoy people theory and trying add to the story. But at end of the day it Disney story and not really meant to be change by anyone but them. As I see some what you say makes sense. It just not Logic to this story. But as I said Sarabi Showed her Dislike for scar. To be honest I never understood second movie. As Scarr had lioness on his side, but in first movie none of those lioness helped him? Just didn't make sense. All the Lioness Backed Simba.
nuka is scars and ziras bio son vitani based off her her rare blueish eyes could be nalas as for kovu it clearly says in the movie that he isnt scars son scar just took him in as for kovus build he was simply better cared for then the other two due to scar choosing him as his hier if scar had been treated better or equal to his favored brother no doubt he wouldn't be so scrawny plus in the show the lion guard you see he wasnt always so weak looking he became weak after losing the roar and by doing so he was neglected because he was no longer of use to the pride for those who dont know scars real name was taka witch translates to trash
I do not think Nuka and Simba are half-brothers. It's just not possible because that means in The Lion King 2, Simba killed his own brother! *DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!* That'd be a plot twist if Simba actually killed a half-brother of his.
Nuka killed himself with turning off his survival instincts for glory that was never his to take. Simba could oneshot him. Nuka's whole character is about him being not strong, smart or healthy in general which means even if he has ambitions he can never fulfill them even if he really gives his best. A sad character many people can relate to honestly.
I kind of assumed Sarabi became Scar's queen as a kid because she still seemed to be the top lionness. Then I learned that the movie is basically 'Hamlet,' which would suggest the same idea.
My guess is that during scar’s reign, zira and scar killed lions outside of pride rock along with some sick and/or disabled cubs but always taking the healthier cubs and raising them as their own. That might also means that vatani and kovu were adopted by the two phyco lions. The reason why scar and zira favored kovu is because he was just like scar and more suitable heir even though they are not related. Nuka is possibly the non suitable male because he was weaker that zira and scar would have killed him. In the wild some of the lioness kills their own cubs when a new male arrives and they do this in mercy.
Ziras cup nuka was not good enough and vitani nalas was not good enough.
Off cause disney would see it un fit
Vitani was likely aboned by nala true trauma and disstress leaving vitany broken hearted and resentfull
Nuka could be Scar's and Srabbi's cub since Srabbi has red eyes and Scar has dark mane and dark skin.... comment and plz let me know what you guys think of this theory
Despite his having the darker mane, Scar, by his own admission, isn't the stronger of the two males in that pride. So, Sarabi's being with Mufasa, who is the strong one, actually makes sense.
People believe Scar was born sickly.
Exactly
No, he said he as a lion had power but isn't a type to win
@@AliceBlackwood If we think realistically, Scar would be seen as stronger and more attractive because of his darker main and his arm fur.
If the stronger male saw them mating he would definitely step in and chase off the weak male - no matter the mane.
Scar wanted to have a child with Nala according to the Broadway play, not Sarabi.
Not true enough for scar liars and killing mufasa poor thing about his father's life with son
Kovu, Vitani & Nuka are not Scar's children. Zira specifies this in TLK2. it's specified again in the Lion Guard where there's an entire episode dedicated to Kovu's bloodline; Zira says to Kovu's face that he isn't hers, that she killed his real parents and kidnapped him as a cub and raised him to be a killer. he spends the entire episode coming to terms with this information, and grieves the fact that he will never know his real parents.
They look like him
No it was only stating that kovu was not actually his he was the only one that wasn't scars kid
@@supermiraculousladybug6731 that means nothing, all pridelanders have that look. Zira literally said to Kovu's face that he is not Scar's kid but she desperately wished that he was because she was so obsessed with Scar, but Scar did not want her as a mate.
@@paulabarnes233 if any of them were Scar's kid, they would have automatically been next in line for his place in the outlands. Scar did not have any kids, therefore Zira had to pick up some random kid and train him (over her own children). if Vitani or Nuka were Scar's kids, Kovu would have had no reason to exist at all, they would just take his place.
@@foxbuns it was stated by scars wife what's her name that kovu even though he's in no relation to scar it was his dying wish for kovu to be king
You also have to remember in the movie Nuka says "Scar wasn't even his father" showing Kovu wasn't Scar's kid
Actually, in TLK2, Kovu says that he isn't Scar's son. While Vitani calls Zira mother, its never confirmed. In fact, the only confirmed cub of Zira's is Nuka, and Nuka is likely Scar's son. Just based on body shape and coloration. I believe Nuka at some point in the movie even says "I'm Scar's real son" or something along those lines. Idk about the Lion Guard, and mostly I ignore it because what little I have watched completely contradicts its own lore.
You would be correct. Disney has confirmed that Vitani is Zira's but she has no confirmed father. Nuka is Scar's only canonical child. Nuka does in fact say "He's not even Scar's son." And he also says "I'm his true heir." Confirming that Nuka is infact Scar's son
I think in the new lion king scar says that sarabi chose Mufasa over him suggesting that Scar liked her and were probably friends in the past . Nuka in my opinion is the cub of Zira and scar, Vitani probably came from a lioness similar build to sarafina & Nala with Scar as father and Kovu was adopted by Zira
100 correct
Yea true
It is never conformed that Nuka, Vitani, and/or Kovu are Scars children. Kovu is Scar's "chose air to the throne", according to Zira in The Lion King 2. Which suggests he is no Scar's child. If Nuka or Vitani was Scar's cub they would likely be air to the throne autonatically, like Simba when he was born. It is stated that the lion in exile in the Lion King 2 still supported Scar. So it could be that there were lions that were open and willing to mate with Scar, and the others the didn't support Scar refused to mate with Scar. Because these are lions that are behaving more like humans than real lions.
Nuka does say that Scar "wasn't even his father, he just took him in" when referring to Kovu when we first meet Nuka. So there's that
Kovu is not Scar's child. He is just the cub that was chosen to take his place because Nuka was too weak
I remember learning this about lions not too long ago and something that came to mind was that if the lion king was based on real life lions then Nala would have been killed since she was a cub when Scar took over the pride.
One theory for Scar sparing Nala is that she's his daughter. The whole point of specifying Scar wasn't Kovu's father is to let viewers know Kovu and Kiara aren't related. As well as Nuka stating his claim to the throne.
Ok but he shouldn't have let her go look for Simba.all he had to do was have her physically restrained by his Hyenas and Simba would never have came also his Hyenas should have eaten that wise monkey dud with his staff that way there's no chance of simbas return and scar wins easily
@@Golems_victory Nala probably snuck out of the pride lands to find Sumba. Of course Scar wouldn't have let her go.
@@FamilyHistoriandude TRUE but I'm saying if scar was smarter HE'D have her guarded and if she tried to escape he'd probably feed her to the Hyenas XD question what did you think would happen to Nala if she was caught trying to escape? I think scar would have his Hyenas eat her till nothings left cuz Hyenas do that IRL XD how about your opinion? I'd like to hear it
The other guy is confused 😂@@FamilyHistoriandude
@@Golems_victory IRL means nothing in the Lion King as Scar the dark haired lion would be stronger than Mufasa IRL.
Yeah... This is just a theory, luckily... Nuka is not Sarabi's. Kovu isn't related to Scar nor Sarabi in any way... He even says so in The Lion King 2: "Scar wasn't my father-..." as well as Nuka saying: "Kovu, Kovu, Kovu, Scar wasn't even his father. He just took him in."
So yeah... a THEORY.
A bad one at that lol
7:33 I still say he came from the tree of life. All the lions there look like that.
What you said in the beginning is exactly why I’m glad they made Scar look the way they did in the “live action” remake.
Fun fact,Nala is Simba cousin. Scar is Simba uncle and likely also Nala uncle. So Nala is his kin.
Funnily, I always thought that Nala was Simba's sister
They are not kin
I thought Scar was Simba’s brother? Not uncle.
OH WAIT, My bad. I mixed up Simba and Mufasa 😅
Bro where tf did you get that information
The whole Vitani being Nala's daughter might hold water, given they share the same eye colour.
Fun Fact:
There is a deleted scene where Scar tries to...uh...have a relationship with Nala.
😅
where can i find these deleted scenes to see for myself
It is posted on TH-cam as Old Version Of "Be Prepared" Scar Wants Nala As His Queen.
so i just look up on youtube the old version of be prepared
Yup.
😊
@@siobhanmcgoldrick4549just type in the madness of king scar
In a simple Pride Kovoo said Score was not his father.
In a deleted scene from TLK2 Kovu said that Scar wasn't his father, Scar just chose him to be the next king, even in the actual movie Nuka says Scar wasn't even his father
Kovu, Vitani, and Nuka, we are told are not Scar’s cubs. But, some of the lioness might be.
There's a deleted scene where Scar sings about having Nala as his mate.
And she rejected hom
I believe that Vitani is Nala's Cub due to the fact that vitani had to have been kin to the royal family in order to take on the role of the leader of the lion guard which it said that only the royal family can be the leader of the lion guard. Am I not correct
Kovu isn't Scar's kid as the mangy looking black lion mentioned that "Kovu wasn't even his father" in the lion king 2
3:04 he didnt done that. I mean he probably could but Nala is still alive and when Scar take over the kingdom she was as young as Simba.
4:08 Scar could be just unable to have childeren, that would also explain his position in hierarchy.
0:03 Mufasa and Sarabi: “(Individually and nonverbally to Simba) I’m SO proud of you”
The light and dark mane attractiveness is true; however, given their general physique and health, I suspect actual lions in Scar and Mufasa's positions would have had opposite mane colors. Dark manes are usually found on mature and healthy male lions, not underweight or sickly ones.
You're forgetting that darker manes in lions often lead to sterilisation. The heat built up causes this.
I love how this video spent 8 minutes repeating the same few points but in slightly different words.
Nuka says that he isn't Kovu father because he said that the kid wasn't even his he just took it in
And the fact that Nuka brought that up implies he's Scar's real son.
I believe that vitani is nala’s cub and kovu may be Sarabi and some other lions cub (bc it’s said constantly in TLK2 he’s not scars son) but nuka was defiantly scar and zira’s kid nuka even says it he calls zira mom and he says a line about how he was scars son and I think it was confirmed he was first born to scar and zira but he was too weak and scar didn’t like that so scar chose someone else (something along those lines idk look it up)
I don't think that kovu is Sarabis cub bc then kovu and simba would of been half brothers and kovu would have been dating his niece and also I don't think vitani is nalas cub bc if vitani was scar and nalas child vitani would be simbas cousin and even tho kopa'the son of simba and nala' isn't canon vitani would have been dating her half brother😅
Kovu is not related to any of the lions we know, and Vitani and Kiara are way too close in age for Vitani to be Nala's daughter
My youth and favorite movie has just been destroyed!!!😢
My theory, Zira and Scar had cubs but Nuka was the only survivor and was sickly, which meant Scar didn’t want Zira’s cubs to be his heirs. Scar planned on his and Sarafina’s son, Mheetu, being his heir, but Mheetu was killed somehow. Zira hatched a new plan. Scar, by this time, had fathered lots of cubs with the lionesses, so it wouldn’t make sense for his bio son to be his heir bc then who could his son have for a mate if everyone is his half-sister? So Scar would choose a lioness to be the mother of the future queen, and Zira would go get pregnant by some rogue. At this point, Scar umm admired Nala to put it lightly so she was chosen. Zira found a rogue lion who was actually related to the Night Pride from the Lion Guard show. The plan, the son of Zira and the daughter of Scar would be the next King and Queen, Kovu and Vitani. That all changed when Nala found Simba, Scar died, Vitani hated her mother for the betrayal, Kopa was born and Zira killed him and was exiled, and then later Kiara was born and Kovu fell for her, but anyways that was the original plan in my theory
I don't think Kopa actually died tho :| :>
You are right about the lion king nice video
in tlk2 it is specifically stated that kovu isn't scars bio kid, but rather adopted. that's why nuka gets so upset. cause him and vitani are scared kids but because scar the youngest and didnt get to be king he wanted his youngest to be king (meaning kovu since scar adopted him)
Scar mates with the lions in the outlands. He never mated with those on pride rock as he saw the females there were beneath him. Also it’s a cartoon… not real life.
Thank you
Nuka is actually Zira and Scar's son
I personally think zira was dating scar during his reign so when they had their first cub nuka, scar found nuka weak then they tryed again and had vitani so scar was getting impatient so zira went to go steal a cub from another pride kovu and when she presented him to scar he was pleased but eventually scar was killed and zira killed simbas son sometime after getting exiled along with her kids and end up finding other outcast lioness like her and became a pride leader
Zira explicitly admits in TLK2 that she wanted to be with Scar but he refused to date her and was not interested in her as a potential mate. it's why she's so angry all of the time, and why she insists that Kovu must be trained by her to take Scar's place - it's the only thing she can do, the closest she will ever come, to being with Scar.
People speculated that Nala is actually Vitani's mom
@@foxbunswhen did that happen? Bc nuka is their kid it’s confirmed look it up
Ujasiri (male) and Furaha (female) are the real parents of Kovu, whom they had originally named, Bahati. The Lion Guard: Kovu’s Parental Condition is the 44th episode of Season 56. After learning from Zira that she killed his real parents and took him away from them to raise him into an evil lion like Scar, Kovu can't help but feel too hateful towards the lioness whom he had called his mother for so long that Kiara and Vitani are starting to worry about him.
i looked it up, and youre wrong. google is free.
@@foxbuns The Lion Guard was made WAY after the first two movies and therefore does not count.
I have to disagree.. there was a deleted scene of scar wanting to get with Nala. It was going to be a musical number and scar did have kids. Well kids he took in but kids none the less..
Good video and theories but also maybe it’s just a movie that doesn’t follow realistic lion behaviours? Like a Disney movie per chance?
In the lion 2 nuka said that kovu was taken in by scar and wasn't his that why nyka hated kovu because kovu was raised to be scars air but wasn't even his son
Sarabi and scar didnt have a cub and probably werent together because mufasa was the larger and stronger of the two despite his lighter mane. Also it is a disney movie and clearly it isnt based entirely off of real life.
I dont buy this theory one bit. Nuka, Kovu and Vitani are not Scars children. Nor is Kovu Nuka's killer in LK2
Technically he did when he slashed her for mentioning Mufasa. After the fight, she is never seen again implying she died from her wounds or burned to death in the fire.
she wouldnt die from a slash to the face. and she was there when the rain put the fire out
@@mollyshaj.3888 She never appeared again after that though and her actor wasn’t even in the credits, so she died at some point between them.
I'm pretty sure their was a reunion between Simba & Sarabi after Scar dies & the rain comes after the fire. So I don't think she died until Simba & Nala were parents or TLK2.
I think the cub they had was zira cause she looks like a mix between the two or he had a cub with sarafina which in fact is vitani
That would explain why nuka said his father only took him in bc his mate was sarabi before and then his other mate is zira
thinking of Nuka, he has Scars colours and build and Sarabis eye colours (yh ik Zira had red eyes too but hear me out) it would explain why Zira didnt think as highly of him compared to Kovu and Vitani (who are hers but with a different male)
Just thinking about Sarabi and/or Nala being forced to breed with Scar makes me feel super awkward.
Actually Kovu said that scar wasn't his father. Scar probably shot blanks.
i want an adult version of the lion king but i feel my childhood would be ruined lol.
Scar loved her since he was young
No but nuka is scars son but not only he didn’t just had zira has a mate don’t forget he had sarafina has one too he had mheetu but he is mostly canon
Baby not the lions being ran through...
Nuka and vitaani are scars children but. Vitaani can't be related because kopa is nalas son and vitaani is married with kopa but zira injured kopa to make him die
It's true
I don’t think she could have had a child with scar because at the last fighting seen she stated out “If you were half the king Maufasa was-“ And then he hit her
but then in the seconded movie, where did zira even come from?
Disney: Makes a movie about complex human experiences using lions as the conduit for the plot
Humans: BUT LIONS...
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I think Nuka is biologically Zira and Scar's son because Zira is overly protective of him. Kovu was Scar's child (possibly from Sarabi) and Vitani was most likely from Zira. There is a deleted scene where Scar wants to marry/have cubs with Nala (but rightfully so, it was taken out) but I don't think their relationship ever got to that extent. But it is possible that Kiara and Kovu are related, through Scar and Sarabi, making Kovu her "uncle."
What about scar and sarabi are kovos parents can you dive into that please
If you think about it if Vivian and Nika are scars kids they are related to Simba they'd be cousins
If kovu was Sarabi and scars son that would mean Kiara and kovu were cousins or related in some way…. In the wild as you say, this would cause many health problems for their cubs if they had any. As Kiara is the daughter of simba, and simba is the son of mufasa, that’s blood relatives right there…. However if your basing all this off the live action movie scar and mufasa are not related, but sirabi having a cub with scar and it being kovu would still make Kiara and kovu related….
Imagine going this deep on a Disney movie...
Okay guy, if you watched lion king 2 it's literally mentioned and Kovu isn't even scars son, scar just took him in
Honestly, they built scar like he looked like a bad guy but also is more like a good guy handsome looking but Mufasa, they won’t make him like Jesus, but from 24 /7 shops
kovu and Kiara are not related because in the movie of Lion King 2 nuka says that "He wasn't even scars He just took him in"
Kion wasn't in the lion king 2 because he was at the tree of life
If Vitaly was Nala’s daughter, Simba wouldn’t have exiled Vani because well she’s related to scar and scars related to Simba and I honestly don’t think that is Vitaly’s mother
Scar and Sarafina had a cub named Mheetu (Nala’s younger brother) and had a cub with Zira named Nuka. So that makes Nuka and Mheetu half brothers.
1:30 it’s just a kids' movie
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The thing is that these characters don’t act like real lions
But scar u said u were in love with Sarabi....
What ever happen to “ the lion king ( simba’s pride)”
There will always be speculations to what nature has to offer and what we feel in to put our feelings into stories
I mean wouldn't that mean how much zaruba loves mifasa since she picked him instead of scar (I dont know how to spell there names lol)
Kiara was the real lioness when it came to preference. She had good taste in lions
Did no one else notice Nala and Scar had the same eyes???
A quanto pare, è vero questo fatto se qualcuno vuol sapere o se hai curiosità, come me (Non preoccuparti: non ti attaccherò se non sei d'accordo con me lol):
Secondo agli scrittori di Il Re Leone hanno scartato l'idea Kovu è un figlio di Scar e, invece, chiarito nel film non aveva una relazione biologica con lui dopo avevano realizzato le sfumature incestuose che avrebbe avuto la sua storia d'amore con Kiara. Quel scena con Nuka chi parla con Vitani è la prova sufficiente ma, (ovviamente) non è troppa vera abbastanza per alcuni qua. Voi mi fate ride. 😆 Senza dubbi, anch'io credo che Nuka è il figlio proprio di Scar. C'è molto geloso contra di lui, centra Kovu vicino fisicamente a Nuka oppure no.
Altrimenti perché Nuka lo avrebbe invidiato se lui non fosse l'erede di Scar?Anche; per quelli di voi chi pensano Vitani non sia la figlia di Zira, bisogna farsi controllare gli occhi o del genere. 😅 È l'immagine sputata di lei. Verso alla fine del Branco di Simba, quando Zira le ordina ad attaccare Simba, Kovu e Kiara, Vitani parla ed la dice: "No, madre. Kiara ha ragione. Basta così."
Kinda make sense that Kovu is sarabi's child that is why Nuka see him as not related by pure intolerance
Actually,he didn't k!// her ALSO, because the lionesses hunt and Sarabi is their leader. Scar even told the hyenas that the lions don't hunt, lionesses do
Well you gotta remember it's been said Disney stole the plot of Lion King from a different script about a white lion.
I Love Scar!! He's Super Adorable And Handsome! And It Is True That Black Mane Lions Are More Attractive To Lionesses..I Love Lion King More Than Anything, But It's Definitely Not Realistic To The Way Lion Prides Work... Realistically Scar Would Never Be A Villain, He Did What Lions Do! Not To Mention Other Faults 😅😍👑
I don't think they were his kids. I respect what you're saying, I just can't get behind it.
so what your telling me is kovu has the stronger genes and the atractive dark mane ;) i knew he was my favorite
Yo!! That would make kovu kiaras uncle!!!!!!!!!!!
Well Vitani does resemble Nala…
Why he should've went after simba himself instead of winding hyenas .
So most of this does make a bit of sense, except that Scar was obviously the weaker of the two lions. Mufasa was the stronger, despite having a lighter colored mane so it makes sense that Sarabi chose Mufasa over Scar. Strength is everything in lion prides. Yes, a darker mane does signify this, but not if there's something genetically wrong with the lion. Scar was obviously weak from the start despite having the darker mane. Therefore, Mufasa would be favored by the lionesses for his strength.
Now, regarding Lion King 2, Vitani and Nuka are both more likely to be related to Scar. Nuka says "Scar wasn't even his father" when he was referring to Kovu. This implies that both he and Vitani were Scar's children. From how Zira was talking as well, she must have been apart of the Pride at some point during Scar's tyrannical reign over Pride Rock and how she goes on about him in the second movie implie that she was his mate, his Queen if we're sticking to Disney logic.
Now, as to Kovu's genes and why he's stronger than Scar might be because Zira wanted Scar to have a worthy heir and thus sought out a strong, fit lion to secure that heir for Scar due to her devotion to him. Why he's closer in color to Scar is a mystery in of itself but fans speculate that Scar isn't the only lion with that color pallet. There could have been another.
Also, basic genetics in animals, nine times out of ten, the children will take on characteristics of their father. Vitani and Nuka were scrawny with Nuka's color pallet being identical to Scar's own, indicating that Nuka was Scar's true son while VItani resembled her mother more.
As for the connection between Vitani and Nala, I can neither verify nor deny your claim to Vitani having some form of hatred toward Nala while saying that. It's possible, but there's a LOT in these movies Disney never unpacked and have left fans to decide on their own what happened.
However, there IS a deleted scene where Nala had been summoned by Scar and Scar was trying to woo her. Vitani being Nala's daughter COULD be true based off this deleted scene ALONE, except that Nala DENIED Scar. But, if it was playing more by real lion rules, Nala wouldn't have had a say in the matter and Scar would have.....forcefully. You fill in the blanks. :P So that COULD have been the cause for Vitani's hatred toward Nala. It's a possibility, but not concrete.
Sarabi and Scar did have cubs they hsd 2 doughters Xolo and Xona
That's a lie the head lionesses chooses who is the strongest to lead her pride so Mufusa would have been her choice because he has proven he was fit to be a king and handle tough situations when it was time to take charge and Scar was selfish and only care about himself and he had other animals defend him when situations got tough
Not appropriate for young children.. Nala's either Simba's half-sister or cousin. Based on what the movie tells us.
This would make a great cartoon follow yp to see Scar and Mufasa and Sarabi as children
Mufasa and Shere Khan Brothers
Simba and Nala are kiara and kove and kion and rani. Dorothy Anchondo and j
They go for dominance not color in real life so Mufasa would still be the head Lion. Scar is weak they event hit at it when Mufasa says is that a challenge and Scar backs down! In real life darker maned Lions tend to be more dominant but the dominance is what draws in a mate not the color.
Kovu is not Sarabi's son.
We see in the lion king Scar is more malnourished than his brother mufasa so in reality even though scar has a darker mane he wouldnt have been attactive to the lionesses as to them he wouldnt be strong and not ideally healthy equalling to unhealthy cubs in the lionesses eyes so they would reject him then there is the fact that all cubs in a lion pride are from one male or in some cases two male brother's so as mufasa is the stongest of the brother's the females would likely accept him and just tolerate scar being around. Its hard to compare the lion king to reality because they dont really act how a animals act in the wild for example scar killed his brother through his smarts not brute strength not saying lions arnt smart but i dont think they plot like scar does lol but
its a fun discussion though :)
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Sarabi showed her dislike for Scar. So I doubt that at all. But I do admit I enjoy people theory and trying add to the story. But at end of the day it Disney story and not really meant to be change by anyone but them. As I see some what you say makes sense. It just not Logic to this story. But as I said Sarabi Showed her Dislike for scar. To be honest I never understood second movie. As Scarr had lioness on his side, but in first movie none of those lioness helped him? Just didn't make sense. All the Lioness Backed Simba.
Exactly
nuka is scars and ziras bio son vitani based off her her rare blueish eyes could be nalas as for kovu it clearly says in the movie that he isnt scars son scar just took him in as for kovus build he was simply better cared for then the other two due to scar choosing him as his hier if scar had been treated better or equal to his favored brother no doubt he wouldn't be so scrawny plus in the show the lion guard you see he wasnt always so weak looking he became weak after losing the roar and by doing so he was neglected because he was no longer of use to the pride for those who dont know scars real name was taka witch translates to trash
I do not think Nuka and Simba are half-brothers. It's just not possible because that means in The Lion King 2, Simba killed his own brother! *DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!* That'd be a plot twist if Simba actually killed a half-brother of his.
Granted Simba killing Nuka was accedental.
Nuka killed himself with turning off his survival instincts for glory that was never his to take. Simba could oneshot him. Nuka's whole character is about him being not strong, smart or healthy in general which means even if he has ambitions he can never fulfill them even if he really gives his best. A sad character many people can relate to honestly.