$60 for an 800GB PCIe SSD, and it'll last forever???
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1TB Solid State Drives these days are made with 3D TLC NAND. While they perform well, you're also limited to ~600TB lifetime writes before you can write them off as disposable. What if I told you there's an 800GB PCIe drive with a 22 PETABYTE lifetime write rating, and they're only ~$60 each?
Well, yeah, that's what this video is about. Meet the Sun F80, better known as the Seagate WarpDrive. At least it will be when we're done today.
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....Aaaaand they're gone. Prices are now double of what you said.
$200 now
Lmao it literally took 1 hour
Just bought 2 @ $100/ea. There are a few left still
Why buy these when I can get 1 TB SSD for $90 to $115 and not have to do all the extra work he had to do.
@Pi Man A 1TB NVMe drive can only handle around 600TB of data written to it before it dies. These drives can take 22 Petabytes, or around 37x more data before failing.
"Not everyone wants to dedicate an entire room in their house to a home lab..." Challenge accepted good sir.
Wait, 18 hours ago
*Something's wrong I can feel it*
@@jackson8753 join the discord
@@FancyBro oof, got it
Yes - home datacentre when? :3
My room is a mini home lab. No rack though, just a table with a lot of computer hardware on it (a minitower home server/router, a high-end gaming PC, two monitors, 5 external hard drives, 16 port enterprise switch, Ubiquiti AP and some other stuff)
This video should be called " How to drive up the price on an Ebay item by creating the appearance of high demand "
I'm sure Chia mining has nothing to do with it.
*sips tea*
@@danlewin2260 was excited, then look at ebay... $220.... Perfectly good drive, now all going be to destroyed by chia...
@@WangGanChang I picked one of these up for under £100, and an F40 for like £75, now the only one I see is £175 because it has CHIA in the listing title
i feel this drove the cost of the card up a lot, knowing that they're at least $140 on ebay now
While you arent entirely wrong, youre only partially correct. Chia got big at about the same time.
pluss hidden shipping fees that only exist in the sellers imagination...
Yep, I just saw this video today and looked at them, and the cheapest one I see is $80 shipped from Hong Kong, the rest are well over $100.
Back in 1988 i purchased a complete large scale server setup from the Boeing company surplus sale and tried the server thing for about 3 years then sold the setup to a small company that wanted to get up and running fast and needed a turn-key system. all i can say is its a lot of fun to experiment with new tech and today i have a entire room i can use for computer experiments and given all the advancements to software and hardware the choices are endless. CHEERS!
I miss the surplus store, many good/fun deals back in the day (Tube Tektronix O'scope, vacuum tubes, etc).
The microsecond this video came out, prices tripled. Awesome.
maybe make a "Don't buy these drives video" to drive the prices back down?
Is there a name for this effect yet? I know the "Techmoan Effect" is commonly used for rare audio gear Techmoan showcases, but it also applies to just about any electronics/tech channel that shows off some cool hardware at good prices.
I got my F80 a couple years ago, so, yeah. Although now if I ever want or need another I'll probably have to pay a stinkin' premium... Thanks a lot! :P
For those looking for alternatives, there are old Intel enterprise U.2 NVME MLC SSDs also being tossed out which only need a PCI-E adapter to work in a normal PC.
Darn... They are like 200 bucks now. 💔 It's okay, dear credit card. You'll get some action soon.
Yep! They're gone! Only $99.99 and above now.
Looks like $190 and above now.
@@AB-hh1xo A handful of them at around $155 after shipping, i ordered mine a couple days ago so i got lucky.
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@@nathanhamman418 Still not a bad deal for the capacity
@@Beltonius you get less capacity and speed when compared to a similarly priced nvme drive, however durability isn't even comparable on them.
one of the reasons I didn't grab one of these was that I was reading that they use a fair amount of power. It would be interesting to run some tests to see how much they actually use.
Yeah, the need for cooling and wasted electricity go hand in hand. It's always a trade-off..
@@joonasfi Koolance offers a really fancy ~1" square block which I thermal epoxied on my LSI 9260-8i years ago. It's still solid to this day, and connecting a water line is easy if you have a water cooled gpu right next to it. That block might work on one of these too, and the thermal epoxy works great
Or you could of just scalped it like everyone else lol
It's like Steve from GN he made a spot about how affordable those Arctic aios were now they cost more then corsair by nearly $100 regularly.
I really like the way you type everything out and explain as you go. Great work!
"60$ you say??"
*checks ebay*
"Yikes, that was quick."
$200 on ebay MIN and with shipping much more. That for a sub tbit drive is expensive so why waste your time ?
at those prices I'll just stick to hoarding Fusion-io cards I suppose... tho a few F80's to play with would be fun, oh well, not at those prices....
$500 now
@@Dimondminer11 are there such cards with higher capacities? Like 1TB+? Also what are other options that may be better than these cards?
@@DebateKing69 Nah, their down to about $150 US average
We (Sun/Oracle) used these in Exadata and other engineered systems. We now offer Intel 6.4TB Cache drives that show up as a single 6.4TB drive.
The original cards was an F20, 96GB, 4 24GB flash modules with a ESM (capacitor) to keep the power if the system lost power.
Managed to buy one just before this video was posted....and the writes on these drives are VERY CONSISTENT. I ran this in IT mode on Unraid and striped them in RAID0 and transferred a folder with 60gb of videos and it was a consistent 800MB/s per second over 10gbe. Not bad
You are literally the second place I've ever seen floppy disk coasters. I once got some as a handout at a County fair made of black plastic with a aluminum slider stuck on both sides and a home printed label.
As I opened the video 1 hour after release I already realized they'd probably cost twice as much by now... Oh well, at least there's the video.
Dude you are so good in showing everyone the true saving and speed used gear
Nicely explained, very nicely presented, and deftly executed. I'll be looking at other videos from your channel, and will likely subscribe after that. I'm none to keen on Windows, but don't resent that you use Windows tools when they suit your purpose. Pop OS has piqued my curiosity. Thanks for that.
EDIT: as Wtdtd observed, yeah... prices have shot up more than double since this video was posted. There goes a cost-effective solution, swept away by market forces. Eh. It happens. Still a good video, and, who knows? The price may drop after the initial rush wears off.
Love you bro. I actually used linux to do this 95%. I did the final ddcli format step within windows.
I bought one of those cards about a year ago for the same reason. Got it flashed as you did, and right now I currently use it in my unRAID server and pass it through to a windows VM as a cheap way to improve my VMs disk speed.
"Take a drink"
"Make yourself another drink"
If you say so...
"because making this cocktail might take a while, we'll be drinking a lovely boutique IPA only available locally while I make this cocktail" 🤣
Father Jack has entered the chat. "DRINK!"
That is freaking ridiculous... The prices have nearly doubled... 🤦
We call it the Jeff EBay Effect
"I'm a influencer"
@@CraftComputing Jeffluencer
@@CraftComputing I would actually be honored if you would start these kinds of videos with "I'm Enterprise Hardware Price Influencer Jeff."
Great video, I have been using IBM LSI 2008 cards for my freenas server and freenas server backup for several years. I have never re-flashed the bios in Linux as the writeups were for win os. Your use is different so I understand for using in IR mode, but I have always used IT mode to get the full benefit control and error checking of ZFS. I always have at least one extra LSI card Just in Case....
Thanks for the video
Thank you for this tutorial, I just followed it and other then I had to take into account I was booting ubuntu from a usb stick, it went pretty smooth
did you get it to boot from the f80 or is that not what you are using it for?
@@firenado4295 I'm using it as cache in a unraid server
@@electrohacker a fair enough, im trying to use an f20 as a boot drive for my server but not having much luck getting it to be bootable so far
"That's a dangerous drink" were the words right out of my mind as you were saying it :)
Thanks for the video... sucks that popular content = higher prices (but that's nothing new for me)
Glad I got one the same day of the video release still $89.95, the techmoan effect is nuts
Perfect timing. I literally just walked back in from getting my mail (which contained 2 Sun F80s that I ordered before your video drove prices up and availability down) So it looks like I need to start flashing. Thanks for the tutorial! Any plans on similar videos for the Fusion IO devices out there?
going to one for each of my poweredge servers..great find! I'll be using them in IT mode..:)
I picked up a Fusion ioScale 3.2TB PCIe SSD shortly after finding out I can use it as a storage drive. Got it for $210 shipped with 64% life left.
Was about to build a new VM server and pulled it from my system to move to the server, and at the same time, I picked up a SanDisk SX350-6400 for $600 new, shipped. So that's now my new storage drive in my gaming/productivity server and the Fusion ioScale host my VM's and SFTP.
These old enterprise drives are a great buy for average users.
Man, this guy is great. I love the drinks tech :)
Ah wonderful! The head of the ‘F80 Owners Club’ made a video about it :)
Awesome as always Jeff! :D
Interesting content and the video is professionally made
Dude, love the videos. Please get a lapel microphone to crank this channel up to OVER 9000!
Another benefit to being on the exclusive Discord ... we were talking about these a month ago when they were $60.
or you could have simply looked up ssd to buy on google like I did and this was one of the first 5 pages on the list lol.I saw this thing a long time ago too I just wanted to see performance.
Ive got a handful of these F80s (1 in IT mode for unraid cache, another flashed into raid0 for a windows drive). Also have a F160 (1.6TB) thats being used for a couple of VM drives (4x400gb OS drives in IT mode). They are nice when they come up on eBay for the right price.
Is it possible to run the F160 in a different mode? 🤔
The moment you said "and they're just $60 in ebay" I thought "yeah not now they aren't".
Still great value even at $200 though, considering their endurance.
I bought one for $60 USD from Japan today. Too bad the shipping was $70. Still a great value and will be replacing my tiny 256gb cheap Kingston cache I have now.
no
It's not very often I miss features of a full ATX system but when I see like this I do start to question going ITX. On the upside the few friends I do go and see this means I can take my machine with me with it not feeling like it's totally impractical.
I’ve had a similar issue with the “sas address checksum error” when I was flashing my dell h200 into it mode for my truenas box, I think when you use the sbr tool it removes or doesn’t read the sas address of the card as you can see 12:46 “Sasaddr = 0xffffffffffffffff” so most of the time on one of the stickers on the card is the unique sas address but if you can’t find that you should be able to “make” your own sas address to get rid of the error. The sas address, the way I understand it is it’s like a MAC address for storage cards where every card has a slightly different address so you can differ the cards. Hope this helps and let me know if that fixes your issue :)
I love that small IT-blurbs just before the beer reviews, cocktail showcases and such :)
Nice addition!
good find Jeff. Fast with durability for a good price.
@4:53, i love how you use a floppy drive as a drink coaster. this alone earned this video a like.
Watch starting at about 19:50
@@coletraintechgames2932 awww what a let down LoL
Thats not a floppy disk, its a save icon 🤣
Now as these have doubled in price on eBay, here's a good alternative: FusionIO IODrives. These come in at about 10c per GB ($60 for 600GB, $120 for 1.2TB) and require no flashing and have readily available Windows drivers. They're also 2GB/s read and 1GB/s write like these.
Unfortunately the Linux/FreeBSD support isn't quite as good and I haven't been able to get mine running in TrueNAS, TrueNAS scale or UnRAID yet.
Great video, too bad they're all gone now tho.
Back in like October? I was able to score a 1.6 TB Intel P3605 for $160 been an amazing boot drive for my desktop!
This is fun for sure. Sadly prices have doubled as others have said. I just bought a 1tb Sata SSD (older PC that still uses sata) for 80 bucks it should do the job for me.
Man your videos are the best ❤️
Reminds me of when IBM M1015's were dirt cheap and great for ZFS. Might have to grab one of these to play around with but I suspect a bunch just sold =D
Here in Europe those things cost about the same as a Gen4 NVMe from what I saw with a quick Ebay search… ouch…
Indeed, those Americans are so lucky in that regard. It's pretty hard to find a SAS HBA or something for a decent price over here, even used. It's as if there's no market here for second hand enterprise hardware.
Different data regulations. It's a lot harder to wipe these drives to a European standard.
@@InsideAlan good point.
@@InsideAlan maybe, but what about HBAs, enterprise CPUs and ECC memory? I had to move heaven and earth to obtain the latter two for my home server and still haven't found a decent HBA, neither new nor second hand.
@@RudyBleeker try Techbuyer_computing on eBay, or drop me a DM with what you're looking for!
There is also a Fusion-IO 1.2 GB app accelerator which works well as a cache or SSD storage option as well. I hope you look at more of these high end durable NVMe storage options since many of them are very cheap on eBay!
A friend of mine that has some said support in TrueNAS/FreeNAS for these is lacking.
this is awesome value for a nas on a 10gb network as a cache as it can still saturate the 10gb net bandwith :) thanks for the video, I might need to have a look at this
stayed to the end cause it was interesting... then found out this guy also teaches how to make a new drink ! nice
I usually scream about how terrible IPAs are at the screen, but sometimes he makes an awesome cocktail or pours a stout.
i need some of that cocktail. Cool video
This video was AWESOME!
I plan on using one of these in a mirrored stripe for the special Metadata vdev
I would love to have a list of cool older enterprise parts that would be good to look for.
Yes and put into categories, like beginner home nas, enterprise practice, tinkerer. Not sure on the exact names but some sort of categorization.
Well there goes that purchase...... But using my Linux distro of choose!! Awesome video!
I know you'll love the news from nvidia allowing GPU pass through now 😎 expecting some cool videos to come out from you on it all now :P
That's so cool!
@@nathanscarlett4772 ikr, I was surprised as hell to hear it. Not sure of any restrictions around it- but it'll make a great video :)
@@buddybleeyes indeed good sir! This is the stuff the common man needs to switch to Linux full time...and still be able to play video games 😃
@@nathanscarlett4772 agreed there dude, Linux is sounding better and better with this news :P I'm heavily considering doing the switch in a few months
@@buddybleeyes the paranoid person in me, is also cautious because it is Nvidia, they nickel and dime everyone for everything.
You said it brother, all ears, are you part Vulcan a lot of work. Smart Guy.
you guys got all the good deals
Thanks for showing us how to set up $100+ drives. Hope they go back down in price.
"FLASH ACCELERATOR" I've never heard about them ^^ Interesting you can store the components on a hard drive (like a 16bit cartridge) and then compile them into a quad system to work together, or build a game with different components and after compile
The power of Jeff, some guy had 20 of them on a new listing for $89. By the time I had switched browsers he'd sold 16 0f them. I bought one and I suspect they're all gone now. I bet he didn't even know why his entire stock blew out on eBay in under an hour. I'm just glad I got one at only 50% over what you indicated. Please keep on making content around old enterprise hardware. My test server has to live in the living room with us so I have to re-case and re-fan to keep the noise down. It's running TrueNAS (FreeNAS) and it's just a hoot playing around with what it can do. I'm probably going to use it split as dedicated cache for two arrays.
I've had one of these boards as a 4x200 GB drive in a test machine back in the lab for a number of years. Enough space to install an OS and try out a few things in each of the cells. If you're looking for a secondary source for these cards, check out the older pre-Oracle Sun server rackmount hardware. I recall these cards were used in redundant pairs in Sun X4500 and X4540 servers. But, be warned, those boxes are BEASTS, perfect for that collection of 48 3.5" SATA drives you have laying around that need a home... kinda surprised that Jeff doesn't have one in his rack at home. :)
bro how did you get an os to boot of one of these drives? i have a f20 and it refuses to boot
Another cool video! Interesting stuff. Also at 0:26 I saw the glitched video, my video editor does that to files I render too so sad
Nope, wasn't a glitch. I pulled the video from a timelapse in another video, and there were a couple frames of a jump cut I didn't see at the end of it.
fun video, thanks for the info again great stuff...
Very interesting. Do you know if these can be used as boot drives? Or for a secondary OS?
I'm working on redoing my home system. Any chance you could see (or show) if these cards are accessible to a Proxmox VM? Using one as a staging area for my cameras would be sweet. I can then move recordings to permanent storage.
Can you check if it can work as cache drive in a Qnap or Synology Nas?
Test an ioDrive2 - 785G vs these drives ... Would be interesting to see which performs better as cache-drive. The ioDrives have almost double the IOPS to the Sun F80 and almost 25% more IOPS to the Micron P320.
Neither do I have a Sun F80, nor do I currently have a PC with linux on it atm. But I followed all the steps that don't require both of these.
Cheers.
Verrry interesting! Thank you!
i now have 6 of these. you have created a monster xD
Great Content!! Thumps Up!
He isn't joking about the temperature, these start throttling at 73C and basically stop at 76C, definitely need a fan on them. In my 68F room they were idling with no air flow at 64C on a benchtop open case. Also when doing the final format, both times I had to do it twice (Reboot and try again), both times second time took, not sure why the first go round failed.
I was able to find 2 for $70 each, prices are inflated now, I will consider myself lucky. Thanks for this awesome guide and bringing this to our attention!
mine are in active use (few MB/s) at 55C in an r710 (using as a cache drive for an rclone mount). Was using rust before as the cache drive, but the rust was a raid5 array and the metadata latency (i.e. deletion times) was abysmal, which has been my experience on fragmented files on raid5 which as rclone mount is going to do, as it just creates sparse files and fills them. Performance is now much more normalized.
I got a intel dc6300 ssd, the 1.6tb version for $160 with Christmas money, it’s a great ssd. Intels M.A.S utility is easy to use and shows real time stats. If you can find one I would recommend buying it
Interested in the title., stayed for the cocktail. LOL
I managed to pick up an optane 900p before the 905p were the only thing you could find. At the time it was only like 260 for a 280GB capacity - best zil and l2arc ever
Mine runs 78 c in my desktop, so will stick it to the server and plan to apply some heatsinks after checking the fitting, maybe even a fan. is that normal?
since their is an LSI controller on there, older machines should be able to boot to this where they will not boot to NVMe (ie HP ML servers)?
Enterprise drives are like the best! Picked up a HPE IODriveii 3.2tb for like $200 bucks best of all 37PB of endurance.
Reminds me that I have an old 128gb PCI non-nvme ssd, which actually uses only AHCI.
External enclosures can't read that, is that something cool I can do with it?
if you can get them, Micron P320h drives have much lower latency, higher speed, and can deliver more IOPS comparatively, though they are definitely more expensive and are becoming pretty rare.
"So we don't have to wait, here's one that I prepared earlier." You... yep you did it.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that uses nano. I feel like literally everyone else uses vim or emacs.
VIM is for sadists in my opinion. Nano works great for me as well.
I don't need to do lots of work in a terminal editor, nano is simple and ubiquitous, I like it.
I basically always use nano on the cli unless I'm forced into vim.
@@JarrodCoombes Vim is way faster for actual text-editing work, and works well as an IDE (not as well as EMACS, but still better than most of the paid bloatware IDEs out there). For the use here, Nano works just as well.
Learning to use "text objects" correctly was what hooked me on Vim, although I am considering moving to Evil EMACS, which is EMACS with Vim bindings. Best of both worlds.
I find that Nano is good for those who have only been exposed to GUI text-editors before, due to its familiar control-scheme and keybindings listed at the bottom.
ive got the 400 gig varient fs40 warp drive this should be able to work with that too right
That is absolutely phenomenal for a metadata/dedupe drive for TrueNAS
Good channel, good subject matter.
Are those normal run of the mill SAS connectors? If I run extenders, can I drop different (i.e 2,5") SAS ssds?
Another good option is to use it as SLOG device in raid10 for slow ZFS array with spinning drives. F20 is even better because is with SLC-NAND.
I bought these floppy disk coasters too, they're nice. And then I realized I have a massive box with hundreds of dead floppies... Guess I can throw a really big party with them.
Makes perfect sense that the Sun F80 was in IT mode. Sun created ZFS, a device like this would be a perfect L2Cache red cache or a write SLOG.
Is it multifunction? Would I be able to passthrough individual drive to VMs via pci passthrough?
really cool if you have ZFS raid-Z and not enough sata connectors for extra cache drives(which you will want to be in raid as well)
This process can be used to flash firmware on graphics cards too?
Lots about the sequential speeds, but what are IOPS like on these? Are they anywhere near NVMe?
Thanks a lot for the guide, found this old tech about 33$ here in Indonesia
Awesome, cheers!
I don't know if it was mentioned, but you might also want Linux to help with the install. I guess you could use the win 10 command line as it takes bash commands, good luck though re-writing the software.
Thanks I did not know that there is such endurance difference.
Do you think in future ram will replace SSD in future, if you take in consideration the latest 512 Gb sticks from samsung?
The IT mode 4 x 200 were sun/oracle OEM, you can find 4x 512 with IR nativ. I was one of the engineers that tested these cards back in the day. I can tell you more but I don't know when My NDA is up. If you get a Nytro Megaraid it has 2 x 512 and an onboard sas 2 socket. They also come with a native ability to create a ssd cache disk, one thats large then you are able to create with cachecaid tm. Stay away from the wildcat/ optimus drives they were bad. The 2.5inch drives were good but the lsi ver. didnt work so well.
you wiped the the sas address of the card you reprogram it with lsiutil