Very good for hose routing,, particularly if coupled with a 5th port. Essential for sidemount. Used be frowned upon as it is perceived as an extra failure point but has been proven to be very reliable.
I had a swivel mount 1st stage since the 80's - never ever had a wear point problem - care for it like your life depends on it and store it properly when not in use - it will pay for itself many times over.
The swivel turrets on first stage is useful for sidemount divers. It helps to keep our long hose nicely tucked along the air cylinder, and it offers better streamline when we fully deploying out our long hose during the out of air scenario. Moreover, the swivel turret design enables the ability to fit the 5th port, which allows sidemount divers to better route our inflator hose at our chest area.
Hey Alec, when I used to dive back in the late 80s and early 90s I I was using a Dacor XLE 960. It had a completely independent swivel for the second stage that worked extremely well for me. The design made for a large first stage and had more than enough LP and HP ports. The 960 was very nice, especially when Drysuit diving, It was the best regulator that I had ever used. They should bring back that design.
Aloha from Hawaii, Alec! Love your videos. Your advice has helped me tremendously in my diving. I’m curious about full face mask apparatuses. How do you equalize? Cost? Is it worth it? Maybe a future episode. Aloha!
I had one in my own course, I hated it cause it made it harder to recover the hoses.. also it’s far too much bulk for me. I bought me one without, but with an angle swivel on the 2nd stage that works better for me.
Alec, a cpl questions if you will. Does the swivel really swivel once your Octo and LPI hose are connected? It seems like the other hoses would impede the movement. Second, if you are hitting your head, why not just lower your tank an inch on your BCD? Why flip the 1st stage upside down? Thanks and keep up the good work👏👏👏👏
Richard S yes, all connected hoses move together. Sometimes changing tank positions will affect your trim or in my case, I have a short torso and the tank is already restricting my leg movements. If I move the tank up, I hit my head; if I move it down, I can’t move my legs. So flipping the first stage upside down is my only option as I don’t have my own tanks.
I have these on my deco stages. Very usefull. But I find this feature as a suplemental failure point and I am very carefull on it. Also on my Argon tank I have a swivel first stage.
yep another failure point. I know I sold one with a leaking rotating seal I never used, just like I recently removed the quick disconnect on my air computer as it was leaking tiny bit for a while but decided to blow during a dive trip, so back to direct connection and new o-rings. One less thing to fail...
I opted for an FSR 1st stage for single tank, no turret failure point and long hose routing works good with the 5th port added (Primary routes straight down, around your right side and around your neck to your mouth). The failure point may be minute but it just didn't sit well with me as far as benefit/risk ratio for my setup.
Enjoy your videos,just a little off your topic but is there a place in Canada that services two hose regulators,I know of vintage scuba and felt with them before but interested in someplace closer I am in Nova Scotia,any advice would be appreciated thanks
I bought a B2, when I bought my regulator 4 years ago. I think the B2 is around $750 vs $450 for the basic version that breathes exactly the same. I wish now I would have got a long hose. Same comfort for a much cheaper price. Plus I'm moving to GUE training, and they require a long hose anyway.
Don't worry about past decisions John. We all look back at past purchases and wish we could have changed it based on today's knowledge/preferences. Enjoy the GUE training and hope you can still pickup an idea or two from me to amaze the GUE crowd!
Bill Scurry You can buy any length hose you like but in general divers should try to prevent things sticking out from their body. You often see divers with SPG or Consoles sticking out, hoses floating around their heads, etc. Keeping everything close to your body prevents entanglement, risk of damage to your gear, damaging the environment and increases streamline. Diving in a high current you can really feel the tug on your mouth and risk losing the reg, which a hose tightly routed next to your cheek (e.g. with 90 degree angle) can prevent. For tech divers streamlining their equipment is a continuous process and swivels and correct hose lengths really help.
Hi Alec, I will be moving to Southeast Asia in January. I have dive Rite equipment. Should I sell it here in the US, and buy a brand that will be easier to get service in Thailand, and the Philippines? Thanks
Dive Rite's network may not be as large as Scubapro or Aqualung, but anywhere there is a tech diving community you will probably find a Dive Rite distributor. A quick Google search shows that there is one in both countries. Also Dive Rite regs are pretty much standard regs so it wouldn't be hard for a knowledgeable tech to service them, so if you are really worried order a service kit for your regs from DGX and keep them with you.
Hi alec... Im closing in to buy a reg. Choice is apecks xtx 200. Does xtx 200 have the swivel....?....i sre the xtx 50 has. Should i consider xtx 50 over the xtx 200 just for the swivel??
I'm sure you mean the Apeks XTX 200 vs 50, darn spell checker. My opinion means nothing Miklu as you have to hold and feel how the 2nd stage works between both to decide. If you have the budget, get the best reg you can as it will last you a little longer as your diving experience increases. As for the swivel, check the Apeks web site or visit your local dive shop to hold and see both side by side before picking. Good luck and safe diving.
Very good for hose routing,, particularly if coupled with a 5th port. Essential for sidemount. Used be frowned upon as it is perceived as an extra failure point but has been proven to be very reliable.
I had a swivel mount 1st stage since the 80's - never ever had a wear point problem - care for it like your life depends on it and store it properly when not in use - it will pay for itself many times over.
Good Morning Alec, I enjoyed you swivel episode on this Thursday morning. Best Regard's, Mark
The swivel turrets on first stage is useful for sidemount divers. It helps to keep our long hose nicely tucked along the air cylinder, and it offers better streamline when we fully deploying out our long hose during the out of air scenario. Moreover, the swivel turret design enables the ability to fit the 5th port, which allows sidemount divers to better route our inflator hose at our chest area.
Thanks for sharing other uses.
Always interesting and great tutorials!
I do try in my own unique way to share a lifetime of information.
A
Hey Alec, when I used to dive back in the late 80s and early 90s I I was using a Dacor XLE 960. It had a completely independent swivel for the second stage that worked extremely well for me. The design made for a large first stage and had more than enough LP and HP ports. The 960 was very nice, especially when Drysuit diving, It was the best regulator that I had ever used. They should bring back that design.
Aloha from Hawaii, Alec! Love your videos. Your advice has helped me tremendously in my diving. I’m curious about full face mask apparatuses. How do you equalize? Cost? Is it worth it? Maybe a future episode. Aloha!
I had one in my own course, I hated it cause it made it harder to recover the hoses.. also it’s far too much bulk for me.
I bought me one without, but with an angle swivel on the 2nd stage that works better for me.
Alec, a cpl questions if you will.
Does the swivel really swivel once your Octo and LPI hose are connected? It seems like the other hoses would impede the movement.
Second, if you are hitting your head, why not just lower your tank an inch on your BCD? Why flip the 1st stage upside down?
Thanks and keep up the good work👏👏👏👏
Richard S yes, all connected hoses move together. Sometimes changing tank positions will affect your trim or in my case, I have a short torso and the tank is already restricting my leg movements. If I move the tank up, I hit my head; if I move it down, I can’t move my legs. So flipping the first stage upside down is my only option as I don’t have my own tanks.
Richard S Moving the tank changes your center of gravity hence affects your trim.
I have these on my deco stages. Very usefull. But I find this feature as a suplemental failure point and I am very carefull on it. Also on my Argon tank I have a swivel first stage.
yep another failure point. I know I sold one with a leaking rotating seal I never used, just like I recently removed the quick disconnect on my air computer as it was leaking tiny bit for a while but decided to blow during a dive trip, so back to direct connection and new o-rings. One less thing to fail...
@@alaind831 You always can get rid of the rotating feature... At least on the MK19 scubapro
Awesome info...like always...
DIN, swivel, with a fifth port is the only real option for sidemount diving.
Thanks for sharing with others Alias.
A
I opted for an FSR 1st stage for single tank, no turret failure point and long hose routing works good with the 5th port added (Primary routes straight down, around your right side and around your neck to your mouth). The failure point may be minute but it just didn't sit well with me as far as benefit/risk ratio for my setup.
Enjoy your videos,just a little off your topic but is there a place in Canada that services two hose regulators,I know of vintage scuba and felt with them before but interested in someplace closer I am in Nova Scotia,any advice would be appreciated thanks
I bought a B2, when I bought my regulator 4 years ago. I think the B2 is around $750 vs $450 for the basic version that breathes exactly the same. I wish now I would have got a long hose. Same comfort for a much cheaper price. Plus I'm moving to GUE training, and they require a long hose anyway.
Don't worry about past decisions John. We all look back at past purchases and wish we could have changed it based on today's knowledge/preferences. Enjoy the GUE training and hope you can still pickup an idea or two from me to amaze the GUE crowd!
Alec, does the introduction of another junction in the reg mean another wear point which could affect performance over time?
What about these add on swivels Alec, any opinion on those?
John C Which do you mean exactly?
I guess it's less necessary if you use a long primary hose.
Why is this a hard request to fulfill?
Bill Scurry not sure what you mean.
@@QuickQuips Why aren't all hoses long, I guess I mean?
Bill Scurry You can buy any length hose you like but in general divers should try to prevent things sticking out from their body. You often see divers with SPG or Consoles sticking out, hoses floating around their heads, etc. Keeping everything close to your body prevents entanglement, risk of damage to your gear, damaging the environment and increases streamline. Diving in a high current you can really feel the tug on your mouth and risk losing the reg, which a hose tightly routed next to your cheek (e.g. with 90 degree angle) can prevent. For tech divers streamlining their equipment is a continuous process and swivels and correct hose lengths really help.
@@Yggdrasil42 That makes a lot of sense when you put it that way.
Hi Alec, I will be moving to Southeast Asia in January. I have dive Rite equipment. Should I sell it here in the US, and buy a brand that will be easier to get service in Thailand, and the Philippines? Thanks
Dive Rite's network may not be as large as Scubapro or Aqualung, but anywhere there is a tech diving community you will probably find a Dive Rite distributor. A quick Google search shows that there is one in both countries. Also Dive Rite regs are pretty much standard regs so it wouldn't be hard for a knowledgeable tech to service them, so if you are really worried order a service kit for your regs from DGX and keep them with you.
Hi alec...
Im closing in to buy a reg.
Choice is apecks xtx 200.
Does xtx 200 have the swivel....?....i sre the xtx 50 has. Should i consider xtx 50 over the xtx 200 just for the swivel??
I'm sure you mean the Apeks XTX 200 vs 50, darn spell checker. My opinion means nothing Miklu as you have to hold and feel how the 2nd stage works between both to decide. If you have the budget, get the best reg you can as it will last you a little longer as your diving experience increases. As for the swivel, check the Apeks web site or visit your local dive shop to hold and see both side by side before picking. Good luck and safe diving.
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
Thanks alec.
.
First!!! 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻