Phantom Premonition Precon: $50 Budget Upgrade | Kaldheim Precon Power-Up
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- We are upgrading the Phantom Premonition spirit foretell precon with only $50, and it's getting a HUGE upgrade!
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Phantom Premonition is the Kaldheim precon commanded by Ranar, the Ever-Watchful. It's main focus is on the new foretell mechanic from Kaldheim, but Ranar is also good at making cheap flying spirits, so this upgraded precon deck is focusing on that as well as some infinite Ranar combos that we can easily afford to boost this deck's power level!
Playing Ranar for the past few months, it's amazing.
So DJ at Jumbo Commander must have grossly misunderstood this commander as he claims the most spirits you can get a turn is 1. I read it as you guys did. The cards pretty cool.
He definitely misread the card tell him the nerds say hi lol 😂
He's half right... you can only get 1 spirit per trigger. e.g., if you attack with Brago, you only get one spirit
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Judge's ruling from 02/05/2021 says, "Ranar’s triggered ability triggers only once for each time you exile cards from your hand and/or permanents from the battlefield, no matter how many objects were exiled at the same time."
@@grampaw5605 no bubbles have been burst. OP was saying another channel was wrong.
So funny that the first win I got with this deck (played 100% stock) was with a Storm Herd/Goldnight Commander combo giving my wide-ass board +21/+21, since both of those cards were cut. But I'll definitely be looking into getting some of the recommended cards! As a brand-new MTG player, videos like this really help me focus on the ideas and keywords to search for rather than just reading through millions of blue and white cards and hoping I find something neat.
Best part of the video is definitely Joe going "Ooooooo". Cracked me right up.
Good job guys. Keep it up.
It’s a spooky deck
With how awesome you guys are at ranking stuff (please see ranking every commander series), you guys should do a video power ranking the precon powerups so at the end of each episode you can place them on their own little tier list and give an idea of their relative power level it would fit into.
Oooooo that's not a bad idea! I will discuss this with Mr. Cherries
This was my first commander deck and made me love the format :)
I agree that these are the best precons thus far. I kept in storm herd though and have cast it in all three games I drew it because you can foretell it with the ethereal valkyrae. I know that's magically christmas land but I have done it so often and made 30 to 40 1/1 flying horseys lol
Used stormherd earlier in a game only 8 life but mystic reflectioned it into 8 diluvian primordials. Love Ranar it can go off.
@@jamesyork2977 Yea man he's fun to play
When commander preconstructed decks come out a little overpowered, I think it would be cool for you guys to do a budget version and then a try hard version of each deck. With like a 2-300$ budget. Just a thought. I dig you guys’ input on precons
Enjoy the Coffees, I appreciate y'all and ur vods
Thank you a ton for the coffee we appreciate you 😊
I was only gonna buy the elf deck but now... I mean, I got all these holo spirit cards lying around.
You'd be *losing* money if you didn't build this deck!
Buy both for $40. I did and these are 2 of my favorite decks now. Granted, I threw like $500 into them.
@@NitpickingNerdsWould Preston the Vanisher fit in this deck? 😅
Ain't gonna lie joe seems off and beezy your extra exuberant today making up for it. How wholesome. Fine tune up gentlemen 👏
P.s. ruin ghost is amazing when he fits , I have a mono white djeru landfall and hes always so innocuous
P.p.s fire disclaimer guy and we riot 💔✊
You were off!!! Lol
Everyone in my play group went for the Lathriel Deck, so for the last few weeks ive been playing against and I kid you not. Two Lathriel decks and a Numa/Mariel Deck. Ranar has been having alot of experience fighting these elves.
Don’t normally like blue white but I might make an exception for this deck.
This deck is different from most UW decks
A bit late to the party, just started playing MTG again after a 20? years break. Discovered Commaner and fell in Love with it. Your Content is awesome, thanks for it!
I have a question regarding Angel of Serenity. Yes, it may be expensive for a non-stick removal, but can be played if in dire need. But the thing I like more about the card is that you can exile your own ETB cards and than just flick it, so you will get the ETBs again? Or am I wrong about this? Just building the rn and thought that's a great combo.
A little bit surprised not to see Mentor of the Meek and Drogskol Cavalry on here... also, Opal Palace can be really good... if your deck does interact with +1/+1 counters, say Marath or Ghave or Atraxa
This really helped me out with decided what to put and deck out of the deck. I could see leaving in swiftfoot boots just to give eldrazi displacer and some other combo prices haste or haste to some big creatures in the deck like sun titian or barroggo. It be cool to see you do a deck upgrade but focusing a bargo cause he is a valid commander choice if you want to take out more fortell cards
Ghostly prison is one of the best cards in the deck. It has never once not been a good draw and can save you in any stage of the game. I wouldn't cut it personally.
I love Ghostly Prison. Such a pain in the butt for my friends.
Yall didn't steer me wrong with the Rogues upgrade. My bank account isn't happy, but I had to get everything you recommended. These upgrades took the deck from being pretty fun already, to just over the top "what did you do?" Moments from the table
hi, nice work!
I only was surprised when you cut off Meteor Golem, it's great one to flick
They don't typically put rare cards from the current set into precons. They want you to go out and seek the cards from boosters etc. This is why Cosmos Charger wasn't in the deck. It's also why Raugrin Triome wasn't in the cycling deck for C20. Surtland Elementalist is a special case, in the sense that it is technically from Kaldheim and is a rare, however it's not available in regular boosters, just the theme boosters.
That is fair and make sense but lame
Since your combos can often rely or at least benefit from Blasting Station, maybe Trophy Mage and/or Fabricate (though, I don’t know the price of Fabricate right now)?
Fabricate is a bit pricey but atrophy mage is budget.
Home Run! Awesome Deck Tech :D
Thank you 😊
I “chef’s kiss” every time I cast Hanged Executioner in Ranar now.
Really great video. After watching I went and snagged the cards in your upgrade list. Can’t wait to play the upgraded deck. Thanks!
We are glad you enjjoyed the video let us know how it plays
Can't wait for the elf upgrade video. Golgari Elves are my modern deck so pumped to have a cheap in to building them in commander.
That one is coming shortly as well. That deck also got totally supercharged by adding $50
Thanks guys
Phantom Premonition mixed with Azorius Guild Deck becomes pretty solid as a good Commander deck.
I got myself this one because I like the colors more, but I played the elves deck yesterday--super powerful. Looking forward to trying this one though.
Honestly both of these decks (even our budget versions) are surprisingly strong! I do think the elf deck has an edge though if you build it to the max
I'll probably end up picking these up and try the changes you suggest and let you know how it goes. First i want to play it via spell table with my group as vanilla and then see how much it improves in teh runback.
Edit: Have you thought about adding Ashiok's erasure? It's cheap to obtain, 2 mana to cast, gets around uncounterable spells, and exiles spells to synergize with your commander.
4 mana counter spell that is fragile is not really exciting to us.
This was a wonderful help to boost my deck
Thanks Guys, love the Decktheme and i had no blue/white Commander Deck. Loved the sail Sound when u mentioned Spectral Sailor ;D keep up the good work , happy holidays and stay safe
I very much like your upgrade...deffenitly trying it out! Thanks a lot!
Let us know how it goes!
Ghostly prison is taxes. Which are staples in blue white deck imo. Like smothering tithes or rysict study. Ghostly prison seems like a good fit imo
Tower Geist hype!!
Tower Geist crew lets go
You only get a spirit token if the card put in exile was from the battlefield or your hand!!! So when Pale Curtain is on
the battlefield and a permanent gets put into a graveyard from the battlefield it would get exiled and you would create a
spirit token!! Unless the replacement effect changes the zone from which it locates the trigger.
Reflections of Littjara from Kaldheim... double all your casted spirits... instant double Drogskol Captain or any other Spirit with ETB/Anthem/Sink etc...
That's a nice one for tribal decks!
Worth it for the shoe gag at the end alone!!
Off the cuff!
I like most of your thoughts on upgrading this deck other than the very random and off-theme infinite combo's thrown in for.... what reason? Like, if you just want to win via an infinite combo I'm sure there are better options.
What is a better infinite combo than one that wins the game?
So I know there was a couple changes to the oracle text of ranar... One completely nerfed it people say and then buffed back a little bit but I don't really understand...
Do any of the combos still work with the current oracle text on Ranar?
Thanks
can anyone explain how saltskitter gives 4 tokens each turn? It would exile itself which would give you 1 token from ranar and come back during end step. Where do the other three tokens come in?
It says "Whenever another creature comes into play, remove Saltskitter from the game. Return Saltskitter to play under its owner's control at end of turn." It will be back on every single end turn. Meaning you can create a token on an opponent's turn as well. Because there is no "your turn" anywhere in that card. Since Commander regularly played with 4 players, this can happen 4 times before your next upkeep, assuming everyone's going to cast a creature spell. I still think that's a stupid card :)
Am I misreading the raven's warning? It seems like you would just draw 1 card. Or I guess three at most if you split it three ways
Phyrexian metamorph makes going infinite with restoration angel and Felidar guardian that much easier.
It gives you an extra piece for Guardian, but not Resto, Resto can only blink Non-Angels.
LMAO @ "SAIL!"
btw: sorry about the Bills, Joe
He is doing okay! XD
Could you please update this deck with midnight hunt/crimson vow, as there is lots of good spirit cards in them
Great video guys! I’m definitely grabbing a few of your suggestions!
Glad you enjoyed the video
Excellent video guys, better than jumbo's definitely. Flikering Spirit tribal sounds great.
Appreciate the support!!
I really enjoy watching you guys. Cheers for making content. :) I'm making a Linvala sosg deck at the moment, so will give this one a skip. One Azorius flying deck is enough, but I like what you are doing here.
Thank you for the compliment!
Glasspool mimc also combos with felidar btw
Ruin ghost + intruder alarm makes infinite spirits too right?
"Get out of here you stinky bird" I'm making that my text message tone if I can.
You guys really are that good.
You guys are awesome thanks for the recommendations
No prob, Garrett! We love doing these precon power ups
This deck is lit, good jobs guys
Thanks, we thought it was awesome!
One day there will be a deck where Storm Herd works
Pegasus tribal perhaps?
@@NitpickingNerds As long as there is some green to get enough mana. I had one in Trostani deck for a short while
Maybe a Boros commander that gives them haste lol
@@NitpickingNerds funny you mention that..I incurred the wrath of Gisella and was 1 shot by 21 double powered pegasi 2 nights ago (aided by smothering tithe)
This made me feel like I made a lot better of a choice then I thought I did a few months ago. Lol
great deck!
Thank you so much!!!
I thought Eldrazi Displacer's ability can only be paid with "colorless" mana from "colorless" mana sources, not generic mana???
Yeah that’s how it works, as long as one of your lands makes colorless you profit infinite
Hey guys new to magic, I'm curious as to how saltskitter gets you 4 free spirits each turn with Ranar on the battlefield as these guys be saying
Because it’s whenever any creature enters the battlefield, so it will trigger on each opponents turns as well as your own.
Great video. Ordered both decks and all the upgrades for this one that I didn't already have. Any thoughts on adding Alrund's Epiphany for extra turns to this? What would you take out for it? Alrund himself doesn't look good outside of Standard, but his Epiphany could be useful. Thanks!
Why not include promise of tommorow? Protects from board wipes and combos with blasting station if in reading it correctly. Thank you for making another awesome video love your upgrade episodes
Promise triggers once in the graveyard so it doesn’t work.
@@NitpickingNerds gotcha thank you for the correction saw the samurai of the pale curtain and thought it was the same effect as promise of tommorow except for promise only hitting creatures
You beautiful nerds you guys are killing it 👍
Hey Nerds I need help.
Felidar Guardian + Mystic Reflection + Ranar + momentary blink + 1 other creature = Infinite felidar guardian tokens?
Cast mystic reflection on felidar guardian, momentary blink another creature, then flicker the original mkingnantoken to flicker the other creature that flickers back and forth to infinity?
Would Seance be good in this? I'm going through my binders and I feel like it would.
What about Otherwordly journey ? Thanks a lot for your analyze...
You've only got 3 lands that produce wingding for Eldrazi displacer, would you say that's enough?
that symbol just represents colorless mana
@@axe8148 exactly, which is not the same as 'mana of any colour'. It's very specifically 'colourless mana generated by a colourless mana source', e.g. from myriad landscape, or a wastes.
@@HalcyonVentures Ah. I looked up the rules and I see what you mean now with the difference between colorless and generic mana.
Don’t forget mana rocks. Sol Ring alone represents two fulfillments of the colorless requirement (assuming you also have enough colors to cover the generic requirements).
So are they saying to put in time warp instead of ruin ghost or to put both in and take out something else for time warp
Time warp with ruin ghost and mystic sanctuary
You play time warp then you play mystic sanctuary to return the time warp to the top of your deck and you use the ruin ghost to return the sanctuary
@@ebolasoda but then what would you take out for time warp? One of the cards that exile your own creatures because I feel like I pull a lot of those but don’t need them as much
Yea exactly pull out a card you feel doesn't give you as much value as you feel like
So are they gonna release commander pre-cons with each set now?
Yes That's their new plan. I think we still get our yearly release as well?
Yeah they are and it is pretty cool
Absolutely love this strategy. We get cheap, easy-to-learn precons with good reprints out of this! :D
These ones are the best yet in my opinion!
Great job
Random question (really enjoy your guys content) what do you guys think of the card crashing drawbridge for a haste enabler?
In this case I’d mostly prefer a way to weaponize the infinite creatures to eliminate the need for attacking, but crashing drawbridge can be decent in some decks where combat is the main focus. Also to clarify I think it’s a budget card only ❤️
It’s a little slow because it doesn’t have haste itself but it’s a wall so it’s great early I would also recommend tuktuks rubblefort if you’re in red and fires of yavimaya if you’re in red green
Got a question for you. Ranar says “whenever YOU exile something create a token”, so it triggers for sure with SAMURAI or REST IN PEACE? Cause in that case is the card’s effect that is exiling that thing end not you directly casting a spell like path to exile... my mind fucked up thinkin about this 😅
They explain this at 9:47. Short answer, cards you control on the battlefield count as "you" causing the effect, thus a creature being exiled from the battlefield with Samurai does count as you exiling it and will trigger Ranar's ability.
@@clint6716 thank’s. Missed that part maybe
Love it guys, keep it up!
Will do! Elves incoming
My friend used that samurai on me and it was hilarious against the gyurus deck
Poor gyrus!
@@NitpickingNerds luckily I was playing golgari so I was only half as completely out of the game
Hey, it would be great to put those cards you marked for remove and the cards to add in the video description or in a comment :) thx or can someone paste the list here :) ?
Hi dudes! I would like to ask do you make upgrade/fix vids of others decks? I would like to build really spicy Grixis edh deck with clone and Brudiclad core, but I'm a little bit stuck, curve is too high and deck is not in balance, I think 😐 If you have time to hear me more please let me know and also you can use the idea for your future videos :) I really think this build will be really fun and spicy!
We only do tune ups for patrons now.
Between the two Kaldheim precons, which do you guys think is more fun?
They’re both nice and let you play magic, I might tend toward choosing elves mostly as personal preference
Hey i wanna sneak in the foretell time warp but i dont know what to remove to make space for it
What do you guys think about bag of holding in that deck?
this might be a stupid question but will Rana trigger with suspend?
Long time listener, first time commenter here. If I couldn’t get samurai of the pale curtain would it be good if I replace it with a elish norn, or anointed precessions I have laying around
Definitely! Those are two high impact cards for this deck that we couldn't play due to budgetary restrictions, so go for it!
Saltskitter counts as exiling? New to MTG, does "remove from game" count as "exile"?
Yeah they are a errata dot say that
@@NitpickingNerds Thanks!!
Hey Nitpicking Nerds! I also "upgraded the precon" of this deck, I dont know how much of the OG deck is left but, I only have 6 Foretell cards (because Mystic Reflection is up to 9€), do you think Cosmos Charger is still worth it? Just feels like an Augury Raven to me.
You could get rid of the foretell subtheme and still have a functional deck, maybe 6 isn't enough for the charger to be good
What are some of your non budget picks for the decks?
Rest in Peace and Altar of Dementia are some of the big ones, along with Phyrexian/Ashnod's Altars too
Would it be possible for y’all to update the description of this video with a list of the removed and added cards? Not sure what I’m missing but I counted 34 cards removed and 41 added so clearly I still need to remove 7 that flew over my head lol
Just got done counting as well I also got 34 removed. If you find out which ones else were removed let me know!
@@lazyjawa hopefully they get back to me, glad it wasn’t just me lol
The 7 removed not mentioned in the episode were
kor cartographer
whirler rogue
geist honored monkey
migratory route
ghostly flicker
niko defies destiny
Evangel of Heliod
Just compared the Upgraded list with the Precon deck list and figured it out lmao
@@lazyjawa oh nice where was the upgraded list? I didn’t see it lol
is Foretell considered an activated ability that would benefit from Training Grounds and the like?
I don't think it is, but I also don't think it would apply, since the card isn't in play when you foretell it. Not 100% sure though
I’m not sure if I’m misunderstanding but what is the combo with hanged executioner? Does it just make 2 birds when you activate the ability
He makes a spirit when you activate and when it resolves so two total
I checked, only Derevei can abuse Azor's Gateway.
That’s not too bad
Salt skimmer isn't infinite, right? You exile it, but before it returns you create a spirit, or is the trigger all at the same time and it is infinite?
What would make it infinite?
It’s not infinite, it will just make a spirit basically every turn :)
@@NitpickingNerds oops, forgot about the end of turn part. Well, still a good use for a salty common
Quick question, if someone wants to destroy one of your creatures and you use Eldrazi Displacer in respounse, is it destroyed anyway?
Nope saves the creature and the spell fizzles.
So, I built this and added the samurai of the pale curtain. Let me just say, the card is absolutely disgusting with Ranar. Stops death triggers, tokens replace themselves after “dying” (exiling). Seriously shut down my friend’s Nevinyrral deck.
Edit: it does work how you say. It’s individual replacement effects that you own and control.
Are you sure about that? I asked a similar question on reddit and they all said it wouldnt work for some very rules heavy reason.
Where do you get to play edh nowadays?
huh, i followed along and ended with 105 cards... time to see what i did wrong
How does hanged executioner go infinite?
At 18:37
I think they're being a little hyperbolic and dont really mean go infinite in the traditional sense. However, since HE has an ETB and the deck is running tons of ways to flicker, he can be used in conjunction with your commander to create a lot of spirits quickly.
I have an upgraded copy of this deck that I put a copy of Conjurer's Closet in and find HE is a target quite often and he generates insane value quickly.
@@clint6716 okay I can see that. Thanks for the response
What is the win condition for the deck?
They are telling you in the video, you just gotta watch it -.-
BROOOOO I JUST REALISED UR FUCKING FINGERS ARE REALY LONG BROOOOO, you guys content is good af tho:)))
I think the wrong deck is posted! It's coming up as Akiri.
It's fixed!
Perfect! Also, love the content!!
@@michaelpenney2357 glad to hear it! :D
Elves precon upgrades?
Coming later this week
@@NitpickingNerds be waiting...
how's it going NERDS!!
Hi Caleb 🖐
Pretty good how are yiu
Fantastic! thanks for asking! Love your content gentlemen!
Thanks for the positivity!
this video was sponsored by underarmor?!
Maybe some day
sonic wallet? deck
Lol
that's were you put your swift boots