I'm a reasonably intelligent person and I've never studied anything to do with engineering before. Jeff, your channel and the Building Integrity channel are the only ones worth watching on this subject. I think some other channels just popped up and tried to capitalize on this tragedy.
The quality and insight in your channel Jeff and that of Josh from Building Integrity are A1. The effort that you both put into your presentations is admirable. We are all more knowledgeable now as a result of the sum of all your good work.
This channel along with Building integrity have been my go to channels for different theories and contributing factors to the collapse. Thank you for your comprehensive coverage.
I don't like his video's. I don't know. Half way I turned it off. Bunch of babbling. He is hating. Don't give him attention. Because that's what he wants. He is a hater . I been watching you since day one about the condo collapse. Never heard of him and don't want to either. My loyalty is to Jeff
I appreciate the different perspectives of various professionals on this topic- this channel included. Thanks for the consistent and thoughtful analysis.
Early on during this catastrophe I watched a couple of his videos. He lost me a few times, just his attitude is infantile. But he totally lost me once he tried to excuse his lack of eloquence to “his brain functioning too fast”, he really is so full of something… Maybe of himself. Edit: “him” means Kai. (originally I thought his name was Kyle, easy mistake...)
He lost me at the bma. He had no idea what the bma was then comes back a couple of videos later saying he knew what it was all along, was just leaving us some “bread crumbs”. I don’t want bread crumbs just tell me what it is. He just had no clue, probs better to do a little research before you do a video otherwise you could end up looking like a dick.
Kyle practices "revisionist" history. Trying to save face and appear in a more favorable light by changing the facts of what actually happened, was said, or done. No doubt, early on, somebody left a scathing review for Kyle, comparing him to great TH-cam content creators like Jeff. Kyle's childish tantrums give off little "d" energy.
I've seen a few of that guy's videos due to youtube's algorithm and I just couldn't understand or follow him. I have no experience in construction and I live across the country from the incident (in LA), but I've always been curious about building collapses in general and have been following the Champlain Towers collapse because of this. Your channel and Building Integrity's are the best at it since you two take an investigative approach and explain with reason and logic on how the building may have collapsed without stating that it's the absolute smoking gun that brought it down. The two of you, that is you and Building Integrity, disseminate the information in a clean way so that those that aren't familiar with the situation or with the concepts can easily understand and follow. Thank you for your work and may those that lost their lives rest in peace.
Unfortunately, that guy's videos come up on my feed now because I watch yours and Building Integrity. I tried to watch one of his one time and the videos are crazy! He's already talking when they start and he films himself very poorly demonstrating concepts by standing on boards. When I saw your video tonight, I wasn't surprised by his actions when I realized who you were talking about. Thanks for your edifying videos, please keep it up!
@@c.l.proudfoot8853 Me three! I love Jeff and Josh's voices. Both calm, both very good at explaining their knowledge to the layman. This third guy's voice is obnoxious.
@@jeffostroff I fully support your explanation of the BS from that nasty man!! Which you have done with such grace. Now you, and we, can move on. You have such a lovely soothing voice, I could listen to you all day! I love your channel and your hard work on all of this. Thank-you, keep well.
We all know whats up, don't get too bogged down with this situation, youv'e been doing a great job. You are the best at making structural engineerig interesting. Keep u the good work!
I only watch Jeff and Building integrity those are the go to channes on surfside i just wish there was channels to talk about other info like the victim in room 204 being valerie barth the one they gloss over as not being rescued....
You have had A1 info from the very beginning. You explain everything and all possibilities. I have seen many sink holes here in florida. And from this collapse, I just dont see it. Ignore the trolls
I've seen his channel. His videos were all over the place, I couldn't watch them. He did not present his theories rationally as you and Building Integrity do.
People are always going to hate when they see you shining 🙄 that only means youre doing something right Jeff! Good job for all that hard honest work 👌🏼👏🏼
I have no time for liars. I’ve been listening and watching you since the first part of July. So i know that you did all the stuff first. I like all the info you gave us first. I understand what your saying easier than any others. I barely ever look at any one else. When I do I get frustrated and go back to yours. He’s just a jealous dummy. Pay no attention to him jeff. Your doing a great job Jeff. Don’t pay attention to that idiot.
His voice and attitude is so bad I wouldn’t never listen to him. I don’t think he’s really an engineer. My husband was a aero space design engineer. He designed the impossible to some into possible for him cause he was very smart. So jeff phoey on that guy whos obviously a dummy.
@@darenyoung1872 - It’s because he does ZERO research, and relies on everyone else to give him information, and he just rambles while looking at the building plans, FOR THE FIRST TIME, while he makes his videos, and we have to wait while he theorizes.
@@nadogrl I know you wait for the answer and then he just goes off in another direction all together. I don't know anything about buildings but I learned more from Jeff and the other channels than from Kai.
Jeff I am not sure who that person giving you a hard time is, but do not waste your time. Your channel and the way you walked us around this whole tragic inciden has been beyond educational and easy to understand. Love your channel and look forward to keep learning from it regarding a subject I was never really interested in before.
Im with you.All that weight over the years and water seepage were contributing factors to the pool deck collapse from the weakened concrete slabs which caused the columns to collapse and caused the building to come down.
I have watched all three channels (you, Josh, Kai) ...TH-cam is a big place...room for everyone. People are going to present similar ideas because there is a finite number of possibilities. Two of the three channels present information in a professional, informed, concise, and clear manner. It's easy to watch and digest. That's what the majority of the viewers want. We know who's who in the Zoo. No need to defend or justify anything.
I watch you and Building Integrity, and they're to the point and really educational for me. I couldnt get through even part of his video because they're all over the place, he's all over the place. Dont give him the time of day, dont waste your time.
Ya no kidding. Then he starts his videos a lot by saying there were whiners in his comments on his last video who were complaining about his whining. He says it in a stupid voice, making fun of them. What an idiot. 😒
@@Funsho97 I really tried to listen to Kai, but his videos didn't make sense. Jeff and Josh clearly explain what's going on so we all can understand it.
I can’t listen to Josh as he does a sort of smacky noise with his tongue at the start of every sentence which ends up hurting my ears if I listen for more than a minute or two. If I could cope with that I would listen to both him and Jeff, but really Jeff is providing enough info for me.
@@suzyq8777 - That’s because he does ZERO research, and depends on everyone else to give him the facts. So annoying when he would be going over the building prints FOR THE FIRST TIME, while we wait and watch. The breadcrumbs comments were the worst.
Hey Jeff, I have used that spider lift crane, a scissor lift, boom lift and all would fit onto that deck. Many of those machines could possibly overload that deck. The pool deck is not usually designed for vehicles or heavy load rates. You have very valid points, possibilities. This Kia needs to stick to his own work. If he put as much effort into his own work as he does trying to claim everyone else work as his own he MIGHT be almost as good as you
There are a tremendous number of trolls on youtube. If you comment or upload, they come after you. I changed my logo and name from my real name to something old and silly and my comments are still being trolled. 😥 So I am going to change it again to something different. Yours are the only videos I watch all the way through on the condo collapse. You do your research. Thank you. I comment because I know that monetized video channel uploaders get more revenue from youtube algorithm if they get many comments.
@@wisdomseekers479 You do not understand. Jeff is making the hypothesis that heavy equipment removed the palms because the 'trees disappeared'. There isn't a shred of evidence equipment drove on the pool deck. A cartoon boom-lift on the deck plays well with the uninformed.
I tried listening to a couple of his. Very unprofessional. Scattered, adds things that have nothing to do with it,& tells ppl to get off his site if they don't like him. I would never hire him for a job. Talks like he is uneducated.
Jeff. I have watched your channel ever since the collapse. I have watched all of your Surfside videos. Early on I noticed that other channels reported the same info a day or two AFTER you posted your content. (I even watched a few minutes of the other guys because I wanted to see what they were saying. They are clearly the copycats!) Hold your head up high. We know the truth! I have always known that your info came first... so I stopped watching the other channels... why bother when you already covered the info first? I know that what you're saying is true because I have watched it unfold! The other channels pale in comparison! Thank you for having integrity. Thank you for making it clear when you are giving an opinion or when you are hypothesizing. It is refreshing to see someone who is humble enough to say, "This is what I think happened." Arrogance is so off-putting. And you are clearly a humble and intelligent engineer! Thanks for your insight!
Another reputable, non controversial, TH-cam engineer did a complete analysis and calculations of the original building plans and concluded that he felt the building plans met the only the minimal structural requirements. If the contractor "cut corners" (we don't know that that happened), combined with all the other know issues with the building, the added weight from remodeling could definitely be of the 100 contributing factors that played into the building failure.
Oh, the developer definitely did, in my opinion. This Nathan Reiber (who conveniently died in 2014) was known for cutting corners, bribing contractors and inspectors to do the absolute minimum on his projects. As for the remodeling, it wasn't the cause. Units were remodeled multiple times in the 40 years the building was standing and that weight is taken into account by the architect/structural engineer. No, it was corrosion and massive neglect that ultimately killed those 98 people.
Your channel and Building Integrity is the only channels worth watching on the subject. thanks for all the work you put into this and ignore the trolls.
I have been involved in site work for 35 years. There is only one way that I would plant or remove those palm trees, over the wall. The trees and a large boom lift go over the wall using a mobile crane. Boom lifts have integrated lifting points for situations like this. Small boom lifts or especially scissor lifts that will fit through the gates do not have enough power to stand up AND lift those trees. Removal is much harder than planting in this case. Scissor lifts were surely used for pruning over the years. None of this should has led to collapse, provided the structure is sound. My questions are, is there documentation on any modification to the pool deck over the years and can it be determined if the water proof membrane was compromised or effective.
As a retired contractor my first thought was the new type of products used in remodeling. Back when this building was built everything was light weight such as Formica tops, linoleum, lite weight carpet and spray on deck finishes. Over time all that marble floors and counter tops, pavers on pool deck and planters just to mention a few added a lot of extra downforce witch the building was not made for. How many new layers of roofing, newer bigger AC units, this stuff adds up fast. Plus they added that penthouse on top!. This was just a mater of time before it failed.
You're not the only one. The guy answers the phone while recording and then is all over the place.. very hard to follow. So petty and whiney. Very unprofessional.
Great video Jeff. Appreciate how you break things down for us non-engineers. All that glass, marble, and granite has to add some crazy weight to those floors. Never even thought of that.
Your channel is the place to come to talk about 'potential issues'. The more perspectives and potential causes and seeing why certain ideas may get ruled out, to me, is fascinating. You seem to allow people to voice ideas and opinions without berrating them. The amount of data you have gone through and shared with us, to help us understand the basics, then the dynamics that can potntially change the structural integrity. You are willing to contemplate various scenarios. Not stuck on one thing. Great job. Ignore the other dude. He feeds off discontent. Ugh.
Jeff you're doing a great job. This guy Kai isn't worth your time or energy. Nothing negative he says about you, or Building Integrity for that matter, has any provable truth to it. I did see a couple of his videos and I always come back to your video for watchability and well-explained theories. And thank you so much for promoting the vetted assistance sites--that's real class and heart.
Hey Jeff! I've been with you through this entire collapse and enjoy your efforts and way of explaining things to us. Don't worry about that other guy; he's hard to listen to for over a couple minutes anyway. lol I trust you and appreciate your perspective. Keep doing what YOU are doing! You've got the best followers here.
I've watched your channel and Josh from BI and find you both highly educational and engaging. By teaching us the background, then throwing up different scenarios, you inspire us to think through the situations... and this from somebody who had no understanding or interest in engineering until now! None of this can help the victims of the collapse, but it can go some way to helping future buyers/renters decide if a place is sufficiently safe for them. Ignore the haters and keep up the great work!
He’s literally clout chasing and you’re giving him what he wants by dedicating a whole video to him. Nobody would be this disingenuous about your videos without even every knowing you. He just saw that 200k+ subscriber number and initiated an attack to funnel as much views from you as possible. Ignore people like this
Kai drama aside. A collapse like this doesn’t have one cause but a list of them. Its a compounding failure. Buildings like all engineering have redundancy built in. Its only when all the redundant aspects fail do you have an event like this.
That’s what every professor, architect, construction guy said into a microphone the first few days after the collapse. But alleged construction people are commenting now that the deck should have been more independent from the building. Seeming to suggest that the deck collapsing effected the building. They even had that garage-level beam tying the building column more tightly to the deck column which was at one of the deck collapse spots.
I have a suspicion that all accidents have a chain of causes. Remove one link in that chain and the accident would not have happened. I also suspect that the notion that there must be one individual or small group who can be held responsible when something goes wrong is false.
@@lockbert99 this far that we know. 5 columns followed by the trusses that mated the floors to the columns all the way up. One Column should have been able to fail, with the building damaged but standing. Instead we have one whole row of them go.
Mr. Ostroff, you are a scholar and a gentleman, as they say. That nutjob needs to be reported to TH-cam for slander, harassment, and for being tacky beyond belief! I have followed closely every aspect of the Chamblain tragedy and your work regarding what led to the collapse is some of the very best and thank you for that. One thing I haven't understood completely is why the last standing building section wasn't safe to enter to remove pets and other valuables.
I subscribed to that guy’s channel a few years back when the pedestrian bridge collapsed here but I have found him to be almost incoherent at times. He certainly doesn’t read things carefully or listen to things carefully before he reacts to them. I don’t trust that he’s doing any original work on this. Keep up your good work, Jeff.
I was a condo owner in Philippines. Any work had to be approved by the management. In this case the management should have had a maximum weight per sq m of apartment and public areas. If people were allowed to remodel without restriction that would be highly inappropriate.
Jeff, keep doing the great work you are doing. Josh (Building Integrity) should keep doing the same too. I was not aware who Kai was until a recent TH-cam video suggestion, which ended up being the rant on plagiarism. What needs to be remembered is people have died here. This should not evolved into a childish pissing competition over who thought of something first. It simply doesn't matter. Open discussing, brainstorming and shared knowledge and resources are what it seemed to about until the 'plagiarism' video. How sad. I can even state I agree with a comment Kai made: that the removing the debris happened way too fast for an investigation that is expected to take months or even years. Once the 'evidence' had been moved and possibly damaged / compromised, there is a good chance lawyers get those who should be found guilty to walk free.
Thanks for another great video, Jeff! It was mentioned in the comments to your "palm tree" video that the wide front gate was the likely way that equipment would have come onto the pool deck, rather than the narrow back gate. A commenter named "Smokr" added another (I think) possibly important point -- when the trees were cut, the most logical thing to do would have been to haul the pieces over to the south (87th Terrace) side to pass them out to the street. (Smokr seemed to have personal knowledge that it was done that way, but it just makes sense anyhow). That would require the equipment to go back and forth repeatedly over the exact area of the pool deck that collapsed. The same thing would have happened, as you show in this new video, when they were hauling in the pavers and sand. Repeated (albeit short-term) stress to that same area. This possible stress on that particular part of the deck is maybe an explanation of why THAT area collapsed (basically under its own weight, including the weight of the added sand and pavers), while other areas of the pool deck did NOT collapse even after substantial amounts of debris from the collapsed building landed on them. (For example, the area between the pool and the collapsed structure seems to have stayed up). Otherwise, it would seem odd that the EMPTIEST part of the pool deck was the part that collapsed. Of course none of this may mean anything -- plenty of other factors conceivably might also explain it. These ideas are free for the whole world to use, even Kai.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Your site is great. I did see the video about plagiarism..continue your good work..you and Josh are the best for explaining this horrific tragedy
That guy is SO offensive. Making racial and gender ‘jokes’. I was subscribed to you, Building Integrity, Mike Bell and Kai initially But i Unsubbed from Kai because WoW 😳 He started to go in on Building Integrity’s channel first. Then yours. Then he goes in any one who asks him a question. ‘If i get it wrong it’s because my brain is faster than most other peoples brains’. ‘All those other channels are idiots’. He doesn’t know how to edit his vids so he’ll scream at someone on the other side of the house multiple times while he’s recording and blow your eardrums out if your listening with headphones. He has the personality of a narcissistic 12 year old. Don’t lower yourself to his level and give him the attention he desperately wants. You (and BI) have class, you’re well spoken, intelligent, charismatic and knowledgeable without being obnoxious about it. And you have a good voice and know how to produce a 👍🏼 good educational video from beginning to end. 💯 I learn so much.
New sub. Started watching when it happened. Been following you ever since. I have actually watched other commentary scenarios and they lack the spark that you provide. Clear concise and explained in lay man terms. This incident has been annoyingly in the back of my mind since it happened, and your detailed accurate as possible analysis helps us understand it better each time. Thank you. Send them love and blessings and move on..👍🙌🏼✝️🛐💗
I was wondering if it was the same person who has started showing up in my feed. His trolling must be working for his channel because he now has all this attention. I tried watching two and it's so incoherent and hard to follow and he's always so negative. That was probably less than 4 mins of viewing. And it is the same guy.
I've listened to his videos ( as much as I can tolerate , he rambles a lot !! I agree with you on the punching shear as well and I told him that a couple of weeks ago. Your videos and another engineer are the only two that are doing great work , checking into this disaster ... Your reports are thoughtful and you understand construction .. So , well done my friend.. Kai has issues ...
I enjoy your videos. What I’ve learned is people can be very knowledgeable (or think they are) and still have personality disorders or just be jerks. It amazes me that folks will take such a tragic incident and make it about themselves. But it says more about them than you.
Jeff, you are doing a great job with your videos. They are informative and fairly easy for me to understand. Please ignore Kai. He is not worthy of ANY of your time or energy. 😊
I'm glad I live in a one-story house, 700 miles from the ocean. We had our rare F2 tornado in 1999, and the biggest earthquake in 170 years last March. Since Utah is in 'exceptional drought' status, I don't think I have to worry about flooding, so I'm golden, disaster-wise. Now if the insane increases in housing prices would just stop...
Jeff, your videos are great! Thank you for the detailed explanations. I was wondering if you could do a video addressing if other buildings in various parts of the country are also at risk? Is it all Oceanside towns that have salty sea air? Is it buildings of a certain age? Are the skyscrapers in NYC at risk? It makes me nervous to go into taller buildings now and I’d love to know why they’re safer (if they are)? Or are there key elements we can look for in parking garages or taller buildings to help us to know if a building is safe? Thanks again!!
Your videos and info explanations are Grade A! Never heard of you until this, and great point on the Bette museum. That was such a sad moment too, I know nothing compared to this. Your killing it buddy! Very interesting and I love the learning.
I’m here watching your videos. I never even heard of that other kat. That being said, the beauty of YT is that it is open to the public and anyone can make a video about anything. Viewers choose who to watch. I wouldn’t make mention of this other channel ever again. Just keep doing your videos. You have your followers who aren’t going anywhere.
I’ve tried to watch many of Kai’s video after watching yours and BI. Both you and BI explained in better details that everyone understand your point of view and were never stressing the root cause to beginning with, quick and simple and no nonsense. Kai’s videos are so lengthy at times plus his high pitch voice is not making it easy. Showing physically by using live samples explaining his theories. Showing the detail floor plans going through the numbers labelled and explaining how much he knows about structure engineering which doesn’t really make it easy to understand what he is really trying to achieve in the videos. End up I deduce that is just showing he knows structure engineering work explaining the flaws in the building plan. If so, he can be the detective and go through other floor plans in Miami building and check if is agreeable for him and raise all the possible red flags, then nobody can challenge him as he is the first to do so.
Haters are a sign you have a successful youtube channel! Don't give him any energy - you have too much to offer to waste your energy on people like that. I enjoy your perspective on this issue and have been following your videos closely ever since the collapse occurred. i'm an I&C/electrical engineer, and your videos and insights are the best I've seen.
It's a shame you have to defend yourself this way. Unfortunately, you're giving him publicity which may drive traffic to him. I'm curious to find his channel now.
That other guy is so boring! He’s never prepared, so while he records, he theorizes, while we have to wait. Not worth it, so I stopped watching him, and decided to continue watching only Jeff and Building Integrity.
Good day Jeffostroff, i would like to say a big thank you for your data, and you have provide lots of great scenarios. I look at your video every new posting, as to keep updated, and i will check them back with the official reports once completed, as i'm almost 95% sure, that you have the right synopsis of what happen.. With that said, keep your videos focus on the topic at hand, waste no time talking about anyone who's claiming your stole their data. Anyone with common sense, can see you know exactly what you talking about, and how you took your time and researched to bring us this data.. Keep focus on the topic of Surfside, and no more wasting good time, on people who has nothing good to say. Put that time to researching all the new facts you find
I'm actually glad you mentioned the plagiarism controversy. I randomly stumbled into one of Kai's videos that was complaining about Building Integrity "plagarizing", and made it about 30 seconds before I had to shut it off, mostly on account of his insanely poor production quality and honky tonk speech patterns. Still, I did wonder if there might be something to his claims... I see now, that there was not. Funny how every other TH-cam channel is seemingly "stealing" from an unknown channel with basically no audience... Your videos and Building Integrity's videos are excellent. Keep up the great work!
Love your work @Jeffostroff. My best advice in dealing with opposition channels is to not mention their names or show your audience how to find them ☺ Avoid the Streissand effect as much as possible and allow them to market your channel 😉 You can rebute but simply don't mention their name 🤭
Well I only mentioned his name once and he will quickly fade from view. I won't be mentioning him again or even looking at his stuff he he's all over the map and blaming all the other channels for stealing his content.
I stumbled upon one of Kai’s(sp?) videos a couple weeks back just to see a different presentation. I found his video and explanations to be extremely confusing and rambling. Jeff, keep doing what you’ve been doing. Unlike Kai’s video, you are well spoken, thorough, informative in your explanations to those of us who are not engineers, and have a logical flow to your videos. Thank you.
The complaint of "Plagiarism" is ridiculous and childish. Plagiarism refers to academic, copyrighted material, including original ideas which are published and used by another for their own gain without citing it 's original source/author. All of you engineers are presenting your theories of what caused the collapse, but nothing definitive. Nothing is published, nothing is copyrighted. Theories and suppositions only. A TH-cam channel isn't a copyrighted platform so I would ignore those claims Jeff. Kai has no clue about plagiarism which is obvious. All of you have used material which has been uploaded online, photos, docs, architect plans, violations, etc. and you all have a different point of view. None are members of the investigative team. I am grateful for Jeff's & Josh's approach. Thanks a bunch.
I appreciate the genuine look into what happened to the building collapse. His audience isn't much help for you. Don't let other content creators attempt to steal your audience by pulling these tactics and you respond you end up having some audience go to his channel and boost his profits.
I love watching your videos from the very beginning of the Surfside collapse. I know that other guy has been posting videos as well, but he never draw my attention because I had a feeling he’s a engineer want to be. I was looking forward to your explanation of how added weight may have impacted the collapse or contribute to it, but you only talked about it for less than a minute, and spent the whole video letting that other guy living in your head rent free. Are you going to do a video about how the weight may have contributed to the collapse. Please do, as I am looking forward to seeing it. Thank you and keep up the great work.
I’ve tried watching a few of that guys videos. He is all over the place during them. He’ll start playing his older videos, talks on the phone, then gets pretty vulgar when talking about other engineers videos. Jealous much Kai? I’m glad you called him out on his BS. My dad is a welder. I’m a daddy’s girl and have helped him build anything from fences to houses to metal buildings. Both you & Josh from Building Integrity should really consider teaching as you both have very good ways of explaining things so it’s easy for everyone to understand. And I totally agree with everyone else….you have a “Bob Ross” voice that is very calming. Keep up the good work!
Good rebuttal. I was waiting to see how you’d handle this. To be honest, a little baiting has been going on. Someone brought you up to him. And how is sharing pictures any different from NIST requests in its website?
Jeff, frankly, I've seen all the problems with the other guy weeks ago and I unsubscribed immediately. TH-cam still kept recommending his videos to me but I told TH-cam to not show him again. And here was me all the time thinking you know his channel because you follow everything that's relevant to the Champlain Towers :D You masterfully avoided this one bad egg. Kudos to you.
I saw this guy's channel when this first happened. To use an old term, I would call him a 'quack'. I was so put off by him I actually blocked his channel from coming up on my recommended. I work in building maintenance industry and watching you cover this tragedy has broadened my knowledge on the design and engineering side of buildings. Great work.
Keep up the good content. Even though I know nothing about engineering, I've found your videos about the condo collapse very informative and knowledgeable. Ignore the trolls and haters. They're just trying to get their yt subscriptions up.
I come back to this a week later, after not just calculating how much extra weight could have been added to each condom that had major renovations done in the past decade or so that actually took this building from just the average middle class apartment type unit to what they wanted these condo to be seen as, luxury beach front property. Not only were owners upgrading their unit to sell for a much greater amount, this seems to have been kicked off by a real-estate group that early on bought up a number of units, some at foreclosure and others just for sale at very low prices considering what they then turned around and sold for, so one assumes there had to have been a lot of upgrades and updates to materials. I am not clear if this was originally built as an apartment complex where units were rented then converted by the building owners to condos and units were sold or if these were always condos. Two glaring things jump out at me and that was the upgrade and updating done to the lobby, which it appears that this was done in all public corridors too, the application of marble flooring and wall facings, and while you remark on how much weight was just added in the lobby area, how about al the additional weight added on each floor as corridors and common areas were renovated to rank with the idea of 'luxury'. Also, from what I see in the original plans and later plans there was the penthouse, constructed at a later date that was not original to the building. What appears to be missing in what calculations I can find that show how much more weight bearing that the original building could take, each flurry of major upgrades seemed to fail to take into account additional weight that has been added at other times with other updates and changes. Such as the weight of adding the penthouse was based on the original structure, as were the updates to lobby and corridors and public areas that did not account for the addition of weight bearing that the building was then currently at after the addition of the penthouse. And as units were renovated with much heavier materials the allowed renovations seem to have been based on the original weight per until without any adjustments from the original because of what had already been added to the roof, aka penthouse, as well as to corridors and public areas. And there seemes to have been no structural retrofitting considered or even noticed as something that might be needed if they had been considering all that was added as more was added. I am not saying that renovation stress brought the building down, but if the building structure was holding up a great deal more weight than it was originally been built to hold, would that not explain why the building did not stop falling with the first section collapsing and just hanging on there at least long enough to save lives. Could it not be that the building, while whole even if overweight held together for the years it did because buildings are built to stay up even under a great deal of stress but all it took was the loss of one part to cause the additional weight that the building was never designed to hold to not stop at the loss of the first section, but when that section did go, only because it was there the second section went, and same with the third and forth, not because the section that went before it was puling that next section over but because once that section went removing structure that was actually keeping it standing against the extra weight it was trying to support, it then fell. I other words, due to all the additional weight added to the building over the years in some manner those sections 2-3 were already falling but were held up because of the design of the building an the pool deck and the first section. When other factors took those parts away, it was a foregone conclusion that the rest was going to come down. If this was the case, its very possible that an engineer would not have known this as an issue when inspecting unless they went back and started looking at all the permits granted and what was done and added during those renovations, calculated how much might have been added by DIY renovations where permits were never applied for. And when one notices that the portion of the building that was trying its best to do as the rest for the building should have done and remained upright, even though it too had has addition weights from materials used to renovate units and public areas and corridors the added weight of a penthouse was not on that side of the building. I know building codes differ greatly from area to area, but it seems unheard of that basically on one part of the building what amounted to an additional floor was added to the section that collapsed without any addition structural work done and what was added as the penthouse in weight does not seem to have been included in any way when permits were approved allowing for what seems to be the same weight allowance per condo as in the original calculations. It seems like common sense that if they wanted the weight allowances for each unit tp remain the same as the penthouse was added, so too has there been some updated/upgraded structural work done to retrofit that section of the building to actually accommodate that additional floor, or as later permits were taken out for unit renovations on the penthouse side of the building the weight of the materials to be added needed to be less to reflected the additional weight on that side of the building from adding a the penthouse on top of the roof.
I agree with others, you should not have to Defend yourself though Well Done! Your an Engineer & qualified to help us all understand & access this horrific tragedy..keep up the great work, you are the only one I listen to & enjoy every Video as well as lessons learned!
The content here is well-reasoned and clearly well-informed, and it's good to see such high-level commentary on the tragedy of Champlain Towers South. It seems entirely reasonable that retro-fitting much heavier fittings to the majority of the apartments could contribute to the collapse of a compromised structure which wasn't specified for such gross additions to effective 'live weight'; is the specified live weight of the building known, and can the weight of the newer, heavier fittings be estimated? Thanks, and don't feed the trolls - your time is better spent providing informed comment - there are those who recognise and appreciate it, and who also have the discrimination to ignore the crap that trolls spout!
The palm tree theory is rock solid. Removing the trees would ease the camber on the deck adding stress on the columns that failed. I’m a carpenter not an engineer and the moment you described the weight removed and the machinery required to remove, I thought this is a major cause of the collapse.
It became rants. He complained that the whole thing was a coverup and that NIST was botching the investigation because they were hauling away debris. Did he expect them to let those bodies just decay and decompose? It became bizarre.
Jeff, I think you have presented a very accurate and fact-based approach as to what may have been a factor in this terrible tragedy. I have sincerely appreciated your thoroughness and professionalism in your research of this event. I think you have uncovered some of the best evidence available to date and your possible theories are right on target, excellent work. Don't listen to the uninformed out there, such as the recent baseless attacks, (that guy is out to lunch in a big way so don't waste your time). Thank you very much, Jeff, keep up the outstanding work.
Hi Jeff. Maybe he doesn’t have engineers who actually watch him? And usually engineers don’t have time to troll on the internet. Mechanical Engineer here (Florida Institute of Technology) and certified fluid power specialist. Your coverage has been a month long step by step problem solving analysis. Engineers generally have the scientific method ingrained so we don’t even have to think about the steps. We just do them. Sorry you have trolls but I doubt many or any of them are engineers or construction managers. Keep up the great work!
I'm a reasonably intelligent person and I've never studied anything to do with engineering before. Jeff, your channel and the Building Integrity channel are the only ones worth watching on this subject. I think some other channels just popped up and tried to capitalize on this tragedy.
I agree.
Totally agree, this and BI are the only channels I watch too
100% agree.
@@laurahammersley8730 Same!
The quality and insight in your channel Jeff and that of Josh from Building Integrity are A1. The effort that you both put into your presentations is admirable. We are all more knowledgeable now as a result of the sum of all your good work.
Agree
Also agree. Both these channels are the only ones I'll watch now in regard to the Surfside tragedy.
Your and Josh’s videos make me want to go back to college and study structural engineering.
Agree as well. Josh and Jeff are the ones I watch.
The only two channels I watch for surfside info as they are the best.
You and Josh are the best in my opinion. You're soft spoken voice is so nice to listen to.
I agree
Your voice reminds me of Ray Liotta in Goodfellas. I mean that as a compliment!
For sure, they both are very knowledgeable and explain everything so well.
to be honest, your videos are some of the best videos on youtube about this issue.
This channel along with Building integrity have been my go to channels for different theories and contributing factors to the collapse. Thank you for your comprehensive coverage.
Haters gonna hate!!! You're doing good work with this series Jeff, keep em coming. 👍
You got that right
Yea don't give them the time of day!
That crazy guy is just jealous of your success. He is not too bright either. Keep up the great work!
I don't like his video's. I don't know. Half way I turned it off. Bunch of babbling. He is hating. Don't give him attention. Because that's what he wants. He is a hater . I been watching you since day one about the condo collapse. Never heard of him and don't want to either. My loyalty is to Jeff
Sometimes silence is louder.
I appreciate the different perspectives of various professionals on this topic- this channel included. Thanks for the consistent and thoughtful analysis.
Glad to help Josh and thanks for watching
Early on during this catastrophe I watched a couple of his videos. He lost me a few times, just his attitude is infantile. But he totally lost me once he tried to excuse his lack of eloquence to “his brain functioning too fast”, he really is so full of something… Maybe of himself.
Edit: “him” means Kai. (originally I thought his name was Kyle, easy mistake...)
dont forget that Allan dude also and the rest of them
Meth
He lost me at the bma. He had no idea what the bma was then comes back a couple of videos later saying he knew what it was all along, was just leaving us some “bread crumbs”. I don’t want bread crumbs just tell me what it is. He just had no clue, probs better to do a little research before you do a video otherwise you could end up looking like a dick.
@@DJRenee Haha, that would explain it, yes…
Kyle practices "revisionist" history. Trying to save face and appear in a more favorable light by changing the facts of what actually happened, was said, or done. No doubt, early on, somebody left a scathing review for Kyle, comparing him to great TH-cam content creators like Jeff. Kyle's childish tantrums give off little "d" energy.
Don't feed the trolls...they love the controversy.
Very true thanks for the reminder
@@holodoc Exactly!
Ignore the trash talkers.
Exactly…just ignore them, Jeff. You’re obviously doing excellent work on this topic…speaks for itself.
And attention.
I've seen a few of that guy's videos due to youtube's algorithm and I just couldn't understand or follow him. I have no experience in construction and I live across the country from the incident (in LA), but I've always been curious about building collapses in general and have been following the Champlain Towers collapse because of this. Your channel and Building Integrity's are the best at it since you two take an investigative approach and explain with reason and logic on how the building may have collapsed without stating that it's the absolute smoking gun that brought it down. The two of you, that is you and Building Integrity, disseminate the information in a clean way so that those that aren't familiar with the situation or with the concepts can easily understand and follow. Thank you for your work and may those that lost their lives rest in peace.
Unfortunately, that guy's videos come up on my feed now because I watch yours and Building Integrity. I tried to watch one of his one time and the videos are crazy! He's already talking when they start and he films himself very poorly demonstrating concepts by standing on boards. When I saw your video tonight, I wasn't surprised by his actions when I realized who you were talking about. Thanks for your edifying videos, please keep it up!
I watch Building Integrity too, and Jeff!
@@c.l.proudfoot8853 Me three! I love Jeff and Josh's voices. Both calm, both very good at explaining their knowledge to the layman. This third guy's voice is obnoxious.
He comes up in my feed too.
His videos seem very amateurish. The first video of Kai's that I watched I thought, "This guy has some 'communication issues'". What a weirdo.
@@fionabegonia7802 I agree and he's got anger and other issues too it seems. I comment on one of his videos and he got all mad saying wierd stuff.
dude, keep doing what you are doing, don't drop to this dude's "level" :)
The world is full of crap, you don't have to dive into each puddle of crap.
Thanks, will do!
@@jeffostroff I fully support your explanation of the BS from that nasty man!! Which you have done with such grace. Now you, and we, can move on. You have such a lovely soothing voice, I could listen to you all day! I love your channel and your hard work on all of this. Thank-you, keep well.
@@jeffostroff Demystifying Construction and Engineering is also the same guy, same irritating voice, very unique.
We all know whats up, don't get too bogged down with this situation, youv'e been doing a great job. You are the best at making structural engineerig interesting. Keep u the good work!
And making it more understandable!
I only watch Jeff and Building integrity those are the go to channes on surfside i just wish there was channels to talk about other info like the victim in room 204 being valerie barth the one they gloss over as not being rescued....
You have had A1 info from the very beginning. You explain everything and all possibilities. I have seen many sink holes here in florida. And from this collapse, I just dont see it. Ignore the trolls
I've seen his channel. His videos were all over the place, I couldn't watch them. He did not present his theories rationally as you and Building Integrity do.
Yes, I’ve followed both, as well.
Guy reminds me of Chris chan a little
Yeah, Building Integrity is really good.
People are always going to hate when they see you shining 🙄 that only means youre doing something right Jeff! Good job for all that hard honest work 👌🏼👏🏼
AGREED!
I have no time for liars. I’ve been listening and watching you since the first part of July. So i know that you did all the stuff first. I like all the info you gave us first. I understand what your saying easier than any others. I barely ever look at any one else. When I do I get frustrated and go back to yours. He’s just a jealous dummy. Pay no attention to him jeff. Your doing a great job Jeff. Don’t pay attention to that idiot.
Jeff did you see that 8 more condos have been evacuated ? I don’t know names.
His voice and attitude is so bad I wouldn’t never listen to him. I don’t think he’s really an engineer. My husband was a aero space design engineer. He designed the impossible to some into possible for him cause he was very smart. So jeff phoey on that guy whos obviously a dummy.
@@gracieg7601 You're right, Kie was kicked out of high school for smoking dope and has no qualifications! He lives in his mom's basement to this day.
Jeff, It's a shame you have to spend time responding to this guy's charges.
Kai’s voice makes my ears hurt
Isn’t it awful! Even if he had good information I wouldn’t watch his videos!
Right I agree with you too. And he rambles too much and talks about other things.
Kai made a video about Jeff just recently too
@@darenyoung1872 - It’s because he does ZERO research, and relies on everyone else to give him information, and he just rambles while looking at the building plans, FOR THE FIRST TIME, while he makes his videos, and we have to wait while he theorizes.
@@nadogrl I know you wait for the answer and then he just goes off in another direction all together. I don't know anything about buildings but I learned more from Jeff and the other channels than from Kai.
Jeff I am not sure who that person giving you a hard time is, but do not waste your time. Your channel and the way you walked us around this whole tragic inciden has been beyond educational and easy to understand. Love your channel and look forward to keep learning from it regarding a subject I was never really interested in before.
Im with you.All that weight over the years and water seepage were contributing factors to the pool deck collapse from the weakened concrete slabs which caused the columns to collapse and caused the building to come down.
I have watched all three channels (you, Josh, Kai) ...TH-cam is a big place...room for everyone.
People are going to present similar ideas because there is a finite number of possibilities.
Two of the three channels present information in a professional, informed, concise, and clear manner. It's easy to watch and digest. That's what the majority of the viewers want. We know who's who in the Zoo. No need to defend or justify anything.
I watch you and Building Integrity, and they're to the point and really educational for me. I couldnt get through even part of his video because they're all over the place, he's all over the place. Dont give him the time of day, dont waste your time.
I love this series! I find this is fascinating. Keep up the good work.
His constant complaining is what got me.
Ya no kidding. Then he starts his videos a lot by saying there were whiners in his comments on his last video who were complaining about his whining. He says it in a stupid voice, making fun of them. What an idiot. 😒
I only subscribed to you and Building Integrity. I tried watching a couple of his videos but he isn't clear and made me nuts watching him!
I too only listen to Jeff, and Josh of Building Integrity. The two together stitch things together that make sense.
@@Funsho97 I really tried to listen to Kai, but his videos didn't make sense. Jeff and Josh clearly explain what's going on so we all can understand it.
I can’t listen to Josh as he does a sort of smacky noise with his tongue at the start of every sentence which ends up hurting my ears if I listen for more than a minute or two. If I could cope with that I would listen to both him and Jeff, but really Jeff is providing enough info for me.
@@suzyq8777 - That’s because he does ZERO research, and depends on everyone else to give him the facts. So annoying when he would be going over the building prints FOR THE FIRST TIME, while we wait and watch. The breadcrumbs comments were the worst.
Don't let the haters get to you. You're doing an awesome job man! 👍👍
Hey Jeff, I have used that spider lift crane, a scissor lift, boom lift and all would fit onto that deck. Many of those machines could possibly overload that deck. The pool deck is not usually designed for vehicles or heavy load rates. You have very valid points, possibilities. This Kia needs to stick to his own work. If he put as much effort into his own work as he does trying to claim everyone else work as his own he MIGHT be almost as good as you
thanks
There are a tremendous number of trolls on youtube. If you comment or upload, they come after you.
I changed my logo and name from my real name to something old and silly and my comments are still being trolled. 😥
So I am going to change it again to something different.
Yours are the only videos I watch all the way through on the condo collapse. You do your research.
Thank you.
I comment because I know that monetized video channel uploaders get more revenue from youtube algorithm if they get many comments.
There is no evidence any equipment drove on the pool deck. Tool man is gaslighting with his cartoon boom-lift.
@@wiregold8930 hypothesis wire fool lol
@@wisdomseekers479 You do not understand. Jeff is making the hypothesis that heavy equipment removed the palms because the 'trees disappeared'. There isn't a shred of evidence equipment drove on the pool deck.
A cartoon boom-lift on the deck plays well with the uninformed.
You are very easy to follow. I like your calming demeanor while giving detailed information
I tried listening to a couple of his. Very unprofessional. Scattered, adds things that have nothing to do with it,& tells ppl to get off his site if they don't like him.
I would never hire him for a job. Talks like he is uneducated.
Lol I wouldn't hire him either. I feel bad for people he dose work on there house or building.
Jeff. I have watched your channel ever since the collapse. I have watched all of your Surfside videos. Early on I noticed that other channels reported the same info a day or two AFTER you posted your content. (I even watched a few minutes of the other guys because I wanted to see what they were saying. They are clearly the copycats!) Hold your head up high. We know the truth! I have always known that your info came first... so I stopped watching the other channels... why bother when you already covered the info first? I know that what you're saying is true because I have watched it unfold! The other channels pale in comparison! Thank you for having integrity. Thank you for making it clear when you are giving an opinion or when you are hypothesizing. It is refreshing to see someone who is humble enough to say, "This is what I think happened." Arrogance is so off-putting. And you are clearly a humble and intelligent engineer! Thanks for your insight!
Jeff your perspectives make the most sense of all that I have seen. There is a reason your videos pop up at the top of the search.
Thanks!
Another reputable, non controversial, TH-cam engineer did a complete analysis and calculations of the original building plans and concluded that he felt the building plans met the only the minimal structural requirements. If the contractor "cut corners" (we don't know that that happened), combined with all the other know issues with the building, the added weight from remodeling could definitely be of the 100 contributing factors that played into the building failure.
Oh, the developer definitely did, in my opinion. This Nathan Reiber (who conveniently died in 2014) was known for cutting corners, bribing contractors and inspectors to do the absolute minimum on his projects. As for the remodeling, it wasn't the cause. Units were remodeled multiple times in the 40 years the building was standing and that weight is taken into account by the architect/structural engineer. No, it was corrosion and massive neglect that ultimately killed those 98 people.
Your channel and Building Integrity is the only channels worth watching on the subject. thanks for all the work you put into this and ignore the trolls.
Wow, thank you!
I have been involved in site work for 35 years. There is only one way that I would plant or remove those palm trees, over the wall. The trees and a large boom lift go over the wall using a mobile crane. Boom lifts have integrated lifting points for situations like this. Small boom lifts or especially scissor lifts that will fit through the gates do not have enough power to stand up AND lift those trees. Removal is much harder than planting in this case. Scissor lifts were surely used for pruning over the years. None of this should has led to collapse, provided the structure is sound. My questions are, is there documentation on any modification to the pool deck over the years and can it be determined if the water proof membrane was compromised or effective.
As a retired contractor my first thought was the new type of products used in remodeling. Back when this building was built everything was light weight such as Formica tops, linoleum, lite weight carpet and spray on deck finishes. Over time all that marble floors and counter tops, pavers on pool deck and planters just to mention a few added a lot of extra downforce witch the building was not made for. How many new layers of roofing, newer bigger AC units, this stuff adds up fast. Plus they added that penthouse on top!. This was just a mater of time before it failed.
I tried watching some of his presentations and the delivery was hard to follow and the facts were strangely presented. I will stick with Jeff!
Agree I gave up it was incoherent...Jeff and Building integrity are the only ones i found that are compressive and comprehensible
You're not the only one. The guy answers the phone while recording and then is all over the place.. very hard to follow. So petty and whiney. Very unprofessional.
Great video Jeff. Appreciate how you break things down for us non-engineers. All that glass, marble, and granite has to add some crazy weight to those floors. Never even thought of that.
You bet!
Your channel is the place to come to talk about 'potential issues'.
The more perspectives and potential causes and seeing why certain ideas may get ruled out, to me, is fascinating. You seem to allow people to voice ideas and opinions without berrating them.
The amount of data you have gone through and shared with us, to help us understand the basics, then the dynamics that can potntially change the structural integrity. You are willing to contemplate various scenarios. Not stuck on one thing. Great job. Ignore the other dude. He feeds off discontent. Ugh.
Thanks Bird Lady!
So, don’t give him the advertising, ignoring him. He is just a beer can on the highway of life
Jeff you're doing a great job. This guy Kai isn't worth your time or energy. Nothing negative he says about you, or Building Integrity for that matter, has any provable truth to it. I did see a couple of his videos and I always come back to your video for watchability and well-explained theories. And thank you so much for promoting the vetted assistance sites--that's real class and heart.
Hey Jeff! I've been with you through this entire collapse and enjoy your efforts and way of explaining things to us. Don't worry about that other guy; he's hard to listen to for over a couple minutes anyway. lol
I trust you and appreciate your perspective. Keep doing what YOU are doing! You've got the best followers here.
I've watched your channel and Josh from BI and find you both highly educational and engaging. By teaching us the background, then throwing up different scenarios, you inspire us to think through the situations... and this from somebody who had no understanding or interest in engineering until now! None of this can help the victims of the collapse, but it can go some way to helping future buyers/renters decide if a place is sufficiently safe for them. Ignore the haters and keep up the great work!
He’s literally clout chasing and you’re giving him what he wants by dedicating a whole video to him. Nobody would be this disingenuous about your videos without even every knowing you. He just saw that 200k+ subscriber number and initiated an attack to funnel as much views from you as possible. Ignore people like this
How is he clout chasing he has done more work in the past on this type of collapses way before Jeff the jack off
Haha that's me in all caps.
@@lifewithduchenne3030 that's not even relevant
Kai drama aside. A collapse like this doesn’t have one cause but a list of them. Its a compounding failure. Buildings like all engineering have redundancy built in. Its only when all the redundant aspects fail do you have an event like this.
That’s what every professor, architect, construction guy said into a microphone the first few days after the collapse. But alleged construction people are commenting now that the deck should have been more independent from the building. Seeming to suggest that the deck collapsing effected the building. They even had that garage-level beam tying the building column more tightly to the deck column which was at one of the deck collapse spots.
I have a suspicion that all accidents have a chain of causes. Remove one link in that chain and the accident would not have happened. I also suspect that the notion that there must be one individual or small group who can be held responsible when something goes wrong is false.
@@lockbert99 The deck was part of the building, They were interweaved. So when one failed the other was weakened.
@@terranempire2 So what are the multiple redundant things that failed?
@@lockbert99 this far that we know. 5 columns followed by the trusses that mated the floors to the columns all the way up. One Column should have been able to fail, with the building damaged but standing. Instead we have one whole row of them go.
Mr. Ostroff, you are a scholar and a gentleman, as they say. That nutjob needs to be reported to TH-cam for slander, harassment, and for being tacky beyond belief! I have followed closely every aspect of the Chamblain tragedy and your work regarding what led to the collapse is some of the very best and thank you for that. One thing I haven't understood completely is why the last standing building section wasn't safe to enter to remove pets and other valuables.
I subscribed to that guy’s channel a few years back when the pedestrian bridge collapsed here but I have found him to be almost incoherent at times. He certainly doesn’t read things carefully or listen to things carefully before he reacts to them. I don’t trust that he’s doing any original work on this. Keep up your good work, Jeff.
Ditto...
I was a condo owner in Philippines. Any work had to be approved by the management. In this case the management should have had a maximum weight per sq m of apartment and public areas. If people were allowed to remodel without restriction that would be highly inappropriate.
Probably the prices being paid for those condos made owners think they could install whatever they wanted.
Jeff, keep doing the great work you are doing. Josh (Building Integrity) should keep doing the same too.
I was not aware who Kai was until a recent TH-cam video suggestion, which ended up being the rant on plagiarism.
What needs to be remembered is people have died here. This should not evolved into a childish pissing competition over who thought of something first. It simply doesn't matter. Open discussing, brainstorming and shared knowledge and resources are what it seemed to about until the 'plagiarism' video. How sad. I can even state I agree with a comment Kai made: that the removing the debris happened way too fast for an investigation that is expected to take months or even years. Once the 'evidence' had been moved and possibly damaged / compromised, there is a good chance lawyers get those who should be found guilty to walk free.
You had me at your first video I start watching other creators videos and I think they fail in comparison to yours brother. Keep up the good work
Yes, Jeff has us spoiled.❤️
Thanks for another great video, Jeff!
It was mentioned in the comments to your "palm tree" video that the wide front gate was the likely way that equipment would have come onto the pool deck, rather than the narrow back gate. A commenter named "Smokr" added another (I think) possibly important point -- when the trees were cut, the most logical thing to do would have been to haul the pieces over to the south (87th Terrace) side to pass them out to the street. (Smokr seemed to have personal knowledge that it was done that way, but it just makes sense anyhow). That would require the equipment to go back and forth repeatedly over the exact area of the pool deck that collapsed. The same thing would have happened, as you show in this new video, when they were hauling in the pavers and sand. Repeated (albeit short-term) stress to that same area.
This possible stress on that particular part of the deck is maybe an explanation of why THAT area collapsed (basically under its own weight, including the weight of the added sand and pavers), while other areas of the pool deck did NOT collapse even after substantial amounts of debris from the collapsed building landed on them. (For example, the area between the pool and the collapsed structure seems to have stayed up). Otherwise, it would seem odd that the EMPTIEST part of the pool deck was the part that collapsed.
Of course none of this may mean anything -- plenty of other factors conceivably might also explain it.
These ideas are free for the whole world to use, even Kai.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Your site is great. I did see the video about plagiarism..continue your good work..you and Josh are the best for explaining this horrific tragedy
I absolutely love your channel. Keep up the awesome job!
That guy is SO offensive. Making racial and gender ‘jokes’.
I was subscribed to you, Building Integrity, Mike Bell and Kai initially But i Unsubbed from Kai because WoW 😳 He started to go in on Building Integrity’s channel first. Then yours. Then he goes in any one who asks him a question.
‘If i get it wrong it’s because my brain is faster than most other peoples brains’. ‘All those other channels are idiots’.
He doesn’t know how to edit his vids so he’ll scream at someone on the other side of the house multiple times while he’s recording and blow your eardrums out if your listening with headphones.
He has the personality of a narcissistic 12 year old. Don’t lower yourself to his level and give him the attention he desperately wants. You (and BI) have class, you’re well spoken, intelligent, charismatic and knowledgeable without being obnoxious about it.
And you have a good voice and know how to produce a 👍🏼 good educational video from beginning to end. 💯
I learn so much.
New sub. Started watching when it happened. Been following you ever since. I have actually watched other commentary scenarios and they lack the spark that you provide. Clear concise and explained in lay man terms. This incident has been annoyingly in the back of my mind since it happened, and your detailed accurate as possible analysis helps us understand it better each time. Thank you.
Send them love and blessings and move on..👍🙌🏼✝️🛐💗
Thank you for all your hard work you are best one to watch your video about the condo keep up the work
I was wondering if it was the same person who has started showing up in my feed. His trolling must be working for his channel because he now has all this attention. I tried watching two and it's so incoherent and hard to follow and he's always so negative. That was probably less than 4 mins of viewing. And it is the same guy.
I've listened to his videos ( as much as I can tolerate , he rambles a lot !!
I agree with you on the punching shear as well and I told him that a couple of weeks ago.
Your videos and another engineer are the only two that are doing great work , checking into this disaster ... Your reports are thoughtful and you understand construction ..
So , well done my friend..
Kai has issues ...
I enjoy your videos. What I’ve learned is people can be very knowledgeable (or think they are) and still have personality disorders or just be jerks. It amazes me that folks will take such a tragic incident and make it about themselves. But it says more about them than you.
My whole group likes all your posts bro we know who was first on the scene that day great content bro!
Awesome! Thank you!
Jeff, you are doing a great job with your videos. They are informative and fairly easy for me to understand. Please ignore Kai. He is not worthy of ANY of your time or energy. 😊
I've never thought I'd be saying this, but I'm glad I live in a trailer!
Please update after the next hurricane.😳😂❤️
Yeah, it definitely makes you appreciate being in a one level.
@@nadogrl Or tornado. They seem to have an attraction to trailers...
@@johnbergstrom2931 - Excellent point.
I'm glad I live in a one-story house, 700 miles from the ocean. We had our rare F2 tornado in 1999, and the biggest earthquake in 170 years last March. Since Utah is in 'exceptional drought' status, I don't think I have to worry about flooding, so I'm golden, disaster-wise. Now if the insane increases in housing prices would just stop...
Jeff, your videos are great! Thank you for the detailed explanations. I was wondering if you could do a video addressing if other buildings in various parts of the country are also at risk? Is it all Oceanside towns that have salty sea air? Is it buildings of a certain age? Are the skyscrapers in NYC at risk? It makes me nervous to go into taller buildings now and I’d love to know why they’re safer (if they are)? Or are there key elements we can look for in parking garages or taller buildings to help us to know if a building is safe? Thanks again!!
Your videos and info explanations are Grade A! Never heard of you until this, and great point on the Bette museum. That was such a sad moment too, I know nothing compared to this. Your killing it buddy! Very interesting and I love the learning.
I’m here watching your videos. I never even heard of that other kat. That being said, the beauty of YT is that it is open to the public and anyone can make a video about anything. Viewers choose who to watch. I wouldn’t make mention of this other channel ever again. Just keep doing your videos. You have your followers who aren’t going anywhere.
You do the BEST analysis that there is out there! Most accurate by far!!!
I’ve tried to watch many of Kai’s video after watching yours and BI. Both you and BI explained in better details that everyone understand your point of view and were never stressing the root cause to beginning with, quick and simple and no nonsense. Kai’s videos are so lengthy at times plus his high pitch voice is not making it easy. Showing physically by using live samples explaining his theories. Showing the detail floor plans going through the numbers labelled and explaining how much he knows about structure engineering which doesn’t really make it easy to understand what he is really trying to achieve in the videos. End up I deduce that is just showing he knows structure engineering work explaining the flaws in the building plan. If so, he can be the detective and go through other floor plans in Miami building and check if is agreeable for him and raise all the possible red flags, then nobody can challenge him as he is the first to do so.
Haters are a sign you have a successful youtube channel! Don't give him any energy - you have too much to offer to waste your energy on people like that. I enjoy your perspective on this issue and have been following your videos closely ever since the collapse occurred. i'm an I&C/electrical engineer, and your videos and insights are the best I've seen.
Thanks!
It's a shame you have to defend yourself this way. Unfortunately, you're giving him publicity which may drive traffic to him. I'm curious to find his channel now.
Good point. Jeff addressed this situation in this one video. Best to move on and ignore it now.
That other guy is so boring! He’s never prepared, so while he records, he theorizes, while we have to wait. Not worth it, so I stopped watching him, and decided to continue watching only Jeff and Building Integrity.
The guy that is talking about you, i have been watching since the FIU bridge collapse.. but i also watch your channel for a long time too..
Jeff, you’re great! Really enjoy your videos and learning a lot. Thanks!!
Good day Jeffostroff, i would like to say a big thank you for your data, and you have provide lots of great scenarios.
I look at your video every new posting, as to keep updated, and i will check them back with the official reports once completed, as i'm almost 95% sure, that you have the right synopsis of what happen..
With that said, keep your videos focus on the topic at hand, waste no time talking about anyone who's claiming your stole their data. Anyone with common sense, can see you know exactly what you talking about, and how you took your time and researched to bring us this data..
Keep focus on the topic of Surfside, and no more wasting good time, on people who has nothing good to say.
Put that time to researching all the new facts you find
I'm actually glad you mentioned the plagiarism controversy. I randomly stumbled into one of Kai's videos that was complaining about Building Integrity "plagarizing", and made it about 30 seconds before I had to shut it off, mostly on account of his insanely poor production quality and honky tonk speech patterns. Still, I did wonder if there might be something to his claims... I see now, that there was not. Funny how every other TH-cam channel is seemingly "stealing" from an unknown channel with basically no audience...
Your videos and Building Integrity's videos are excellent. Keep up the great work!
I've watched a couple of his videos and he just sounds crazy.
Jeff, I love your show! These people talking smack need to be smacked. I have to remind my self that you can’t fix stupid.
Love your work @Jeffostroff. My best advice in dealing with opposition channels is to not mention their names or show your audience how to find them ☺ Avoid the Streissand effect as much as possible and allow them to market your channel 😉
You can rebute but simply don't mention their name 🤭
Well I only mentioned his name once and he will quickly fade from view. I won't be mentioning him again or even looking at his stuff he he's all over the map and blaming all the other channels for stealing his content.
@@jeffostroff you can also report him as TH-cam prohibits channels trashing each other 😉
I stumbled upon one of Kai’s(sp?) videos a couple weeks back just to see a different presentation. I found his video and explanations to be extremely confusing and rambling. Jeff, keep doing what you’ve been doing. Unlike Kai’s video, you are well spoken, thorough, informative in your explanations to those of us who are not engineers, and have a logical flow to your videos. Thank you.
The complaint of "Plagiarism" is ridiculous and childish. Plagiarism refers to academic, copyrighted material, including original ideas which are published and used by another for their own gain without citing it 's original source/author. All of you engineers are presenting your theories of what caused the collapse, but nothing definitive. Nothing is published, nothing is copyrighted. Theories and suppositions only. A TH-cam channel isn't a copyrighted platform so I would ignore those claims Jeff. Kai has no clue about plagiarism which is obvious. All of you have used material which has been uploaded online, photos, docs, architect plans, violations, etc. and you all have a different point of view. None are members of the investigative team. I am grateful for Jeff's & Josh's approach. Thanks a bunch.
Your channel is great!
I appreciate the genuine look into what happened to the building collapse. His audience isn't much help for you. Don't let other content creators attempt to steal your audience by pulling these tactics and you respond you end up having some audience go to his channel and boost his profits.
his views are rapidly dropping as more people give up listening to his rambling on 45 minute videos
I love watching your videos from the very beginning of the Surfside collapse. I know that other guy has been posting videos as well, but he never draw my attention because I had a feeling he’s a engineer want to be.
I was looking forward to your explanation of how added weight may have impacted the collapse or contribute to it, but you only talked about it for less than a minute, and spent the whole video letting that other guy living in your head rent free. Are you going to do a video about how the weight may have contributed to the collapse. Please do, as I am looking forward to seeing it. Thank you and keep up the great work.
Another excellent video Jeff, you will always have these types of people, just ignore them, they're not worth stressing over.
Great vid, ignore the trolls! I love your analysis coverage.
I’ve tried watching a few of that guys videos. He is all over the place during them. He’ll start playing his older videos, talks on the phone, then gets pretty vulgar when talking about other engineers videos. Jealous much Kai? I’m glad you called him out on his BS. My dad is a welder. I’m a daddy’s girl and have helped him build anything from fences to houses to metal buildings. Both you & Josh from Building Integrity should really consider teaching as you both have very good ways of explaining things so it’s easy for everyone to understand. And I totally agree with everyone else….you have a “Bob Ross” voice that is very calming. Keep up the good work!
LOL, A few people have said Bob Ross before too, A lot say I sound like Charlie Sheen.
fellow viewers, skip straight to 9:43 if you want to get down to business and ignore the plagiarism rebuttals
I’m so happy that you’ve added captions to your videos!! (I saw them on the last one) oh no! They aren’t available on this one! :(
Oh! Now I can see them, maybe the live doesn’t work well with the captions, thanks!
Good rebuttal. I was waiting to see how you’d handle this. To be honest, a little baiting has been going on. Someone brought you up to him. And how is sharing pictures any different from NIST requests in its website?
Wish you and Building integrity would join forces yall are powerhouses of brilliance and insight into these matters!
Jeff, frankly, I've seen all the problems with the other guy weeks ago and I unsubscribed immediately. TH-cam still kept recommending his videos to me but I told TH-cam to not show him again. And here was me all the time thinking you know his channel because you follow everything that's relevant to the Champlain Towers :D You masterfully avoided this one bad egg. Kudos to you.
I saw this guy's channel when this first happened. To use an old term, I would call him a 'quack'. I was so put off by him I actually blocked his channel from coming up on my recommended. I work in building maintenance industry and watching you cover this tragedy has broadened my knowledge on the design and engineering side of buildings. Great work.
Thanks Greg!
Keep up the good content. Even though I know nothing about engineering, I've found your videos about the condo collapse very informative and knowledgeable. Ignore the trolls and haters. They're just trying to get their yt subscriptions up.
I come back to this a week later, after not just calculating how much extra weight could have been added to each condom that had major renovations done in the past decade or so that actually took this building from just the average middle class apartment type unit to what they wanted these condo to be seen as, luxury beach front property. Not only were owners upgrading their unit to sell for a much greater amount, this seems to have been kicked off by a real-estate group that early on bought up a number of units, some at foreclosure and others just for sale at very low prices considering what they then turned around and sold for, so one assumes there had to have been a lot of upgrades and updates to materials.
I am not clear if this was originally built as an apartment complex where units were rented then converted by the building owners to condos and units were sold or if these were always condos.
Two glaring things jump out at me and that was the upgrade and updating done to the lobby, which it appears that this was done in all public corridors too, the application of marble flooring and wall facings, and while you remark on how much weight was just added in the lobby area, how about al the additional weight added on each floor as corridors and common areas were renovated to rank with the idea of 'luxury'.
Also, from what I see in the original plans and later plans there was the penthouse, constructed at a later date that was not original to the building. What appears to be missing in what calculations I can find that show how much more weight bearing that the original building could take, each flurry of major upgrades seemed to fail to take into account additional weight that has been added at other times with other updates and changes. Such as the weight of adding the penthouse was based on the original structure, as were the updates to lobby and corridors and public areas that did not account for the addition of weight bearing that the building was then currently at after the addition of the penthouse. And as units were renovated with much heavier materials the allowed renovations seem to have been based on the original weight per until without any adjustments from the original because of what had already been added to the roof, aka penthouse, as well as to corridors and public areas. And there seemes to have been no structural retrofitting considered or even noticed as something that might be needed if they had been considering all that was added as more was added.
I am not saying that renovation stress brought the building down, but if the building structure was holding up a great deal more weight than it was originally been built to hold, would that not explain why the building did not stop falling with the first section collapsing and just hanging on there at least long enough to save lives. Could it not be that the building, while whole even if overweight held together for the years it did because buildings are built to stay up even under a great deal of stress but all it took was the loss of one part to cause the additional weight that the building was never designed to hold to not stop at the loss of the first section, but when that section did go, only because it was there the second section went, and same with the third and forth, not because the section that went before it was puling that next section over but because once that section went removing structure that was actually keeping it standing against the extra weight it was trying to support, it then fell. I other words, due to all the additional weight added to the building over the years in some manner those sections 2-3 were already falling but were held up because of the design of the building an the pool deck and the first section. When other factors took those parts away, it was a foregone conclusion that the rest was going to come down. If this was the case, its very possible that an engineer would not have known this as an issue when inspecting unless they went back and started looking at all the permits granted and what was done and added during those renovations, calculated how much might have been added by DIY renovations where permits were never applied for.
And when one notices that the portion of the building that was trying its best to do as the rest for the building should have done and remained upright, even though it too had has addition weights from materials used to renovate units and public areas and corridors the added weight of a penthouse was not on that side of the building.
I know building codes differ greatly from area to area, but it seems unheard of that basically on one part of the building what amounted to an additional floor was added to the section that collapsed without any addition structural work done and what was added as the penthouse in weight does not seem to have been included in any way when permits were approved allowing for what seems to be the same weight allowance per condo as in the original calculations. It seems like common sense that if they wanted the weight allowances for each unit tp remain the same as the penthouse was added, so too has there been some updated/upgraded structural work done to retrofit that section of the building to actually accommodate that additional floor, or as later permits were taken out for unit renovations on the penthouse side of the building the weight of the materials to be added needed to be less to reflected the additional weight on that side of the building from adding a the penthouse on top of the roof.
Isn't it possible to find out what company removed the palm trees, and couldn't they solve the mystery, of the equipment used?
YES!! Do you think that info would be found in the HOA reports? Seems to me it should be discoverable info!
@@sparklepurple24 I was hoping one of survivors could tell us.
It will all come out, eventually.
This is a great video keep them up ⬆️ 😎🔨💪🏼
Thanks! Will do!
I agree with others, you should not have to Defend yourself though Well Done!
Your an Engineer & qualified to help us all understand & access this horrific tragedy..keep up the great work, you are the only one I listen to & enjoy every Video as well as lessons learned!
The content here is well-reasoned and clearly well-informed, and it's good to see such high-level commentary on the tragedy of Champlain Towers South. It seems entirely reasonable that retro-fitting much heavier fittings to the majority of the apartments could contribute to the collapse of a compromised structure which wasn't specified for such gross additions to effective 'live weight'; is the specified live weight of the building known, and can the weight of the newer, heavier fittings be estimated? Thanks, and don't feed the trolls - your time is better spent providing informed comment - there are those who recognise and appreciate it, and who also have the discrimination to ignore the crap that trolls spout!
The palm tree theory is rock solid. Removing the trees would ease the camber on the deck adding stress on the columns that failed. I’m a carpenter not an engineer and the moment you described the weight removed and the machinery required to remove, I thought this is a major cause of the collapse.
I started watching his videos and quickly realized he had no idea what he was talking about (Kai I mean)
What's a Kai?
It became rants. He complained that the whole thing was a coverup and that NIST was botching the investigation because they were hauling away debris. Did he expect them to let those bodies just decay and decompose? It became bizarre.
@@OffendingTheOffendable It's the guy who Jeff is talking about in this video
You have been the one doing a great job.
thanks jake!
Jeff, I think you have presented a very accurate and fact-based approach as to what may have been a factor in this terrible tragedy. I have sincerely appreciated your thoroughness and professionalism in your research of this event. I think you have uncovered some of the best evidence available to date and your possible theories are right on target, excellent work.
Don't listen to the uninformed out there, such as the recent baseless attacks, (that guy is out to lunch in a big way so don't waste your time).
Thank you very much, Jeff, keep up the outstanding work.
Hi Jeff. Maybe he doesn’t have engineers who actually watch him? And usually engineers don’t have time to troll on the internet. Mechanical Engineer here (Florida Institute of Technology) and certified fluid power specialist. Your coverage has been a month long step by step problem solving analysis. Engineers generally have the scientific method ingrained so we don’t even have to think about the steps. We just do them. Sorry you have trolls but I doubt many or any of them are engineers or construction managers. Keep up the great work!