Tanks in overwatch are the prime source of initiation in team fights and in this coaching episode, freedo breaks down how to initiate properly and not throw your barriers away to early and if you do, what it means to the outcome of the game. Let us know what you think and be sure to drop a Like & Subscribe if you enjoyed! P.S Send in your gameplay for review to Youroverwatchplays@gmail.com
As a tank main, I can safely say that the big blue barrier that blocks damage seems to be a phobia for toxic dps'. Seriously they avoid it like the plague. Also when I initiate as a winston or rein, I expect you to move with me, not sit back and complain that I'm not shielding you
Ziivec bro i play mcree and when our tank pushes i am usually thr only one who pushes with him when we have more mobile people like a soldier, tracer, or gengi.ive saved my rein from a charge or hook more times than I can count
Except often the team is not moving in with you because your team hasn't secured the current position yet. If you go in, and the position is not secure, there is no right move. If they come with you, the pharah or tracer or soldier up top or whatever will close in behind you picking off healers and DPS and pinching you from both sides. If they stay back and fight the flanker, their tank will have essentially committed suicide. Awareness of map control is extremely important for a tank. That said, there are of course players who just sit back spamming long range damage at distant targets for no particular reason. These players should definitely wake up and get into the fight with their tank.
Ziivec.....you are partly right. IT is your job to initiate, but never initiate until your whole team says they are ready (why I only play in 6 stacks). When you aren't making an initiation, you job is to protect your medics. If you initiate, and your medics don't have the mobility to keep up, and a Genji or Tracer jumps on them because you left, then you end up dying, because they aren't healing you, because they are running for their lives or dead......now you know how it works. This is often a communication problem, hence why I lack 6 stacks.
BlackRaveBow as a Lucio who tries supporting tanks when they initiate, making me waste my amp or our tank use their tanking ability means your not doing you job. is tanks and supports seem to get fucked over by shitty DPS a lol
A Rein whose shield is almost going down, charges in, doesn't hit the pin, and dies within 3 seconds. The team loses the fight, but the tank doesn't change his strategy. That's the kind I blame. But none of this is worth being toxic for. I love everyone who picks a tank.
I typically charge on the first choke initially. But I let my teammates know when I'm about to do it, so they can set up or get out the way, if I hit the pin I let them know and then they can go in. But if it doesn't work the first time, I typically ask they get a pick on say Bastion, or Ana/Mercy, or anyone else that has high DPS that can shred me before I hit the pin.
You see, the problem with that is it's an All In strategy. If it doesn't work, it's a great way to get moderately experienced or no headset teams wiped. And it usually doesn't work.
As a Reinhardt main, really appreciate the call to action there on the end. The amount of times I open up a fight for my team, and nobody commits except me is frustrating.
Hammurabi the awesome "when to blame the dps" when I as the tank (happens more often then you think) or as the support (happened once as zenyatta) end the match with 4/5 or ALL GOLD. And I mean high gold (50+elims). While medals might be deceiving, when I as the tank am walking out with all of them, someone is not doing their job
KRMalana.2 depends on the comp. I sometimes as a DPS player find myself getting gold elims but no medal or bronze in damage. Does that mean I'm not doing enough damage? Am I perhaps finishing off key targets before they get healed? Is the guy with gold damage doing trash damage and feeding enemy support ult? Maybe rein is swinging his hammer all day and rarely using the shield. Medals don't tell the whole story
Yeah that's what I mean, like if you are Mercy you rely on your DPS a lot, to protect you, to not go too far, to kill things, and they are just not doing it, super annoying.
+Shadings 3 of the enemy team were standing on the point, all squishies roadhog could take out in 2 shots, and me (pre-2017 nerf ana) and hanzo were with him we should've won the fight but he ran away with the nanoboost
Aeris Generally you also Check if the person you’re boosting has ult. I’m a Genji main, but I play Ana a lot. This is a good habit to have because nanoboosting a Genji who’s on 60 hp and is no where near ult is a bad plan.
One thing that i have learnt from playing rein is that you should never let your shield hit 0, if you have to stop blocking at 30 then whats the difference? Just tell the team and listen for the other Rein's ult since it is easy to block if you're not directly in his face. Blocking a rein ult multiple times is so satisfying and then you see the role of rein switch to a dps main on their team and then you've won.
yup, even 30 hp on the barrier can block an earthshatter, also it recharges faster if it didn't hit 0. be aggressive, smack the enemy rein around, show him your dominance, then and only then have you attained true glory
Yuri Mendes Rather then blaming yourself or others just don't get personal with it. Point out where people are making mistakes and be objective about it and what can be done better for the team as a whole rather then strictly placing blame when things don't go right
Thank you Your Overwatch for bringing this video to the community. I feel that so many players in our community just play a certain type of character (Genji mains/Junkrat rats/etcetera) that a lot of what you talk about brings to light what its like being a tank - I appreciate that. Also, I really liked the concept about thinking of the shield as an offensive ability. The offense that occurs isn't from you as an individual but as a team/collective, therefore, being an offensive ability. I never really comment on TH-cam videos but you guys are doing an amazing job and I really feel that you all help shape the positive aspects of our community throughout the ranks and game modes. Kindly, Sandaime
Another problem here is he is letting the shield hit 0. If you let it hit 0, it takes longer to allow him to shield, its way better to stop shielding at like 200hp so that way it doesn't announce the break and its usable faster.
I'm a Mercy and Ana main (also Sombra, but that's not important rn) and I only blame the tanks when they decide to charge straight to their death and expect me to follow them, or just decide to sponge fire from the entire enemy team and think they're immortal or something. If you're charging out of position, into the entire enemy team and expecting me to follow you, or you drop your shield to do a fire strike with the entire team behind your shield and giving no warning, or you just try to sponge endlessly, you're to blame. If you blame me for not keeping you alive when you do any of those, you're just a dick. If I fail to keep you alive when you're playing properly, then it's on me. But what I always say is that you should play as if you didn't have a healer, even though you do: you play much more carefully and actually play to stay alive, as opposed to being reckless and expecting me to somehow keep you alive.
Speaking of rein, every time I talk in global chat when I'm in a game, its in all caps and it has some sort of Reinhardt line at the end. for example, GG!!! FOR GLORY AND HONOR! or some shit lol
So many of these points only apply to like high-Platinum tiers and up. Below that, teams are generally not co-ordinated enough or have enough game sense to know to rush the choke when they hear Rein call out that his shield is destroyed. Pushes at lower tiers just don't happen that way.
this reminds me of the video about disregarding the choke points. that video helped me so much. when your tank and team is committed then blast through the choke and take the point. it helps so much when the tank is informed and has the team behind him.
You need a video called "When to blame to healer" with the first point being "the healer doesnt heal the tank". So many people seem to think that thanks are just damage sponges, they dont need healing like everyone else, and so they focus on everyone else while the tank is taking most of the damage. Then low and behold, the tank is dead, and everyone is blaming the tank
I think another important tip is to tank with your face as well in situations where you don't need the engage. if you position yourself in a way that you attract a decent amount of fire, but are safe from deadly abilities (ie hooks) you can save your shield and provide ult charge for your healers. of course this only works if the supports can be relied on to do their job and heal you up afterward
He had a Mei wall to back him up so I don't think it was a bad shield. One thing I know is that RH can do is move faster while his shield is up is jump instead of run then you move faster too. Team coordination is the best tip however. It's the difference between good and bad teams. Good Stuff Freedo!
The support helping the Rein with the rest of the team's positioning is exactly what I do with my team. I'm usually in the back - Ana, Lucio, Torbjorn mostly, so I get a good look of the "battlefield" - so I always let everyone know their and the enemy's positioning when I can. It helps a lot, so I highly recommend working on that if you're support or other backline heroes.
As a Rein main, I found this very helpful! He might be a badass giant german, but he's a soft grampa at heart and wants to PROTECT HIS TEAM. While I don't play as... uh, wastefully as the rein in the video, it's always helpful to get a new perspective on appropriate barrier timing.
As a Reinhardt main in high gold and low play range I find myself calling out to engage, team is assembled, and we have a good attack angle, but the team does not follow up on the advance. The shield fails, and when I fall back to recharge, the team is THEN moving forward past me, with no shield. I really appreciate that you said to give your tanks the confidence to engage, because I now find myself wondering whether the team is pushing with me, and that kind of mental distraction is awful.
This has been one of your most informative video's yet. The info provided is relevant at all tears and helpful to know regardless of what hero being played.
i understand we are talking about tanks and almost everyone in the comments are cool tank mains but am i the only one who noticed the d.va fail at 11:17? Seriously, that clip HAS to go to a fail list somewhere.
I always love the Rein that charges past the other team without pinning anything (usually also with zero shield charge) and then blames the healers for not following him (impossible and pocketing him. He also blames the team for not taking advantage of his clever diversion, forgetting that the term can't run past the Bastion that he left behind for us. He just does it over and over. Feeds his shield to the Bastion and then charges all the way to the back line with no pin. Then flames the team.
Watching that second gameplay gave me PTSD flashbacks of the teammates I got when I was stuck in platinum solo queue hell. Fucking so glad that nightmare is over, now just have to deal with the occasional, though rare, widow or hanzo main in masters who refuse to join voice chat or switch.
The best part of this video was pointing out the last part of committing to the initiation. So many times as rein we start to move thrui the choke, and all of a sudden im surrounded, and the team is still poking behind walls not wanting to move forward with me waiting for that "poke pick".
Reinhardt is two characters rolled into one. The first is the reserved, conservative, guardian Reinhardt who protects his team while they do damage. On the other side of the coin, as soon as the fight breaks down and tons of enemies are all over the place, he becomes a damage dealing, unstoppable force with a hammer hit box the size of a bus. Knowing when and how to play both of those sides of Reinhardt is the key to being a powerful tank
When playing rein, I recommend talking out what is going on. update your team when your shield is at half/a quarter, and warn them in advance during a fight that it is about to break. let them know the shield is going down for a fire strike, or that you are gonna charge in. Team chat exists for a reason, be sure to use it and you will find a lot more success on rein and other heroes
I just recently subbed to this channel and watched your Reinhardt content. I managed to help my team defend Hanamura point 1 and even carry my team with Rein. I have a deep respect for him and I will definitely become a Rein player, and this channel inspired me to become a Rein player.
As a current season Rein main, I can testify only a tiny bunch of people actually know what that big blue rectangle is for. What I do is always call shots for the team, and let them know the state of the shield, enemy ults, when I'm ulting, etc. It's been working pretty good on my tortuous trip through platinum so far :p people LOVE an uplifting Reinhardt lol
This is why more and more often as Rein, I go "I'm going in, follow me!" over voice comms when committing to a push. Because some people don't understand that you're supposed to follow the big moving shield. :(
Good tips. I have played Rein in a few pick up games where the entire team ignores me and my shield and runs off to do their own thing. It is amazing. In those situations I usually switch to another hero because what is the point.
I swear I don't know why, but at the SR point I'm currently at nobody wants to choose Rein. I know you don't need a Rein for everything, but still. You would think most of the time he's necessary for eichenwalde right? Apparently not. Then they wonder why we're getting picked off. As soon as I switch to Rein it's smooth sailing. I'm not saying ima pro Rein, but Im definitely causing a noticeable difference in these team fights.
Lol that's funny cause I actually play more D.va and I always flank on Eichanwalde, but certain games when I chose D.va nobody choses Rein or I guess the best comp to counter. I can touch the point all I want, but my team doesn't always come through. At least with a Rein I can touch the point as D.Va you know causing people to back up then our rein charges in with the team right behind. It works damn near all the time.
Rein main here. People never follow me when im pushing in, ( even when i tell them to + spam the group up with me voice line ) and I end up walking in alone . The life of a plat. Solo queuing 😪 halp
YES TO ALL OF THIS! I'm a Rein main and these are the reasons I'm mostly 'stuck' in that role because most people can't play him properly, I really want to try out different roles but seeing our tank doing all of these mistakes just makes my blood boil. Thank you for this video, I really thought I was just some snobby asshole for thinking like this but seeing that this is actually a thing lightens my heart immensely.
To me a useful way to think of the shield is kind of like a healing ability. You want to use it when your nearby allies are likely to be taking damage or to protect allies who are low on health so they don't die. Using it when none of your team or the enemy team is nearby is just preventing your shield from being able to recharge without actually preventing your team from taking damage. Similarly you should be looking for opportunities to actively move into a position in front of an ally to block damage for them rather than hope they know to stand behind it. When a soldier is in front of you drop your shield and walk in front of them then raise the shield so you can get into position in front of them more quickly rather keep the shield up and try to slowly plod around not actually shielding them at all and losing shield strength in the process. In short if you aren't blocking damage that would have hit an ally then you are not only wasting your shield strength but you are slowing down your own movement speed and keeping yourself from getting into a better position to protect your team. Using it only to protect yourself is usually pointless since that prevents you from using your offensive abilities and slows you down making you easier to flank, better to keep the shield off except when you are in a position that an ally can take advantage of it.
I call it 'shield rationing'. To be able to conserve it in lulls and activate it for engagements/offensives. And to be sure to save at least 1000 shield hp for a teamfight. And to tell your team "Shield down" at least 1-2s before you drop it.
Might I suggest the pop-ups with information that appear every so often in the bottom left hand of the screen. Try putting it in the top right or the top left. Overlaying it over the health and barrier information provides a clutter that doesn't make the pop-up immediately noticeable, and by the time someone does notice it, it'll take them a second to filter it from the game information. In the top corners, there is no In-game information, so the pop-ups are more noticeable and easier to read. :)
Trash blocking is the biggest hurdle I had to get over to learn Rein, after a bit of studying and quite a few hours of practice, I'm finally the Reinhardt that wins not only the shield wars, but the Rein mind games more often than not... though it's mostly because there isn't a whole lot of real Rein players, and experience is the biggest factor in a Rein vs Rein
as a Reinhardt main with 100+ hours on rein, I see this way too much and its just wrong. 1- when you use Reinhardt's ultimate, dont fucking charge just hit everyone instead, charging pushes everyone infront of you away to safety cuz they are far from your team. if you dont charge all of them will be laying infront of you waiting to get hit by the hammer. just hit them and have mercy boosting ur attack and all of them will be dead or almost dead. 2- dont be that Reinhardt who holds up the shield on defense and keep going backwards. ALWAYS hold ur place on choke points and only go backwards when necessary and if you are on attack, PUSH on choke points. dont wait for enemy to make mistakes, ( if you push with confidence, they will get scared and can be easily broken. 3- if zarya uses her ult, dont charge on them, fire strike and hits with the hammer only. 4- dont think you are the dps on the team. sure you do need to attack and get some kills but dont be that guy who swings the hammer and never puts the shield. 5- dont charge at the enemy recklessly because your teammates are depending on your shield to stay alive. I hope this helps some of the people who plays Reinhardt
Speaking of initiating. How about when you use an initiating ult like Sombra's for example, and even though your whole team is there, they decide to keep hiding and doing poke damage until the ult has lost its effect, then they all decide to charge in and die afterwards, even though you communicated to them that you were going to ult, and checked if anyone else has an ult to follow up with. That just sucks.
I've been playing Overwatch for a while, and I've come to hate two things: 1. People saying "we need a Reinhardt", or "where was your shield!" (I'm a Rein main) 2. Not protecting your healer, or saying "where were my heals" (I'm also a Lúcio main)
I always love learning how to approve myself from these videos. But it's not always easy to apply these skills on Solo Q. Like when my team already lost the team fight, it's me vs 6 and my whole team is yelling to use my ultimate or rush on to point.
this is why i play winston. i can get in, out, above, and around. plus his bubble is effective as hell when the enemy cant focus fire a single target because too many individuals are getting picked off. but for some reason, people just love to spam rein shields in every ranking below top 500 and GM. no way around it because apparently whoever wins this minigame of 'who's rein shield goes first' is justifiable for their "gold damage" while a pharah, tracer or any other dive hero gets the impact elims with bronze damage.
Also if you earthshatter don't use your charge as a rein it only pushes the majority of the enemies away yes it will give you a frag but the others will fly away while instead if you use your hammer to deal damage they get pulled in closer and you can damage almost all of them without sending them flying so your team can also shoot on them (sorry if my english suck's not my native language and it's too early to be thinking about perfect spelling)
Its true. For example : i played rein on Eichenwalde def. As long i made no mistakes i kept destroying their dive comp. They could only get Point A because i made some massive mistakes so they could kill me. We still have won this match because then i didnt make this mistake again.
Thank you SO MUCH for this video. I've got 170 hours in Rein and I'm working on getting into Gold. It's tough when my team isn't using my shield and committing to the fight when I charge in. Even if your Rein makes a bad decision to initiate you HAVE to engage with him! If not, he's going to die and then everyone else is going to die anyway.
In platinum we have a character that can heal, tank and dps his name is hanzo, he is really underrated in high levels. He is a must pick in every match.
Yeah, I'm fine with my rein standing in front of the first eichenwalde choke. You know, that room across the road, yeah there. We clearly need better dps
if there is not a decent healer in the team, reinhardt is useless.This is why i main roadhog cause it has a ton of health, decent weapon, and can self heal 300 points at once
When there is a DVa ult, and the reinhardt prevents two people from taking cover behind his shield by moving away from them while they try to take cover behind the barrier.
I find the losing of a point usually starts with a tank mistake. Tanks going off on adventures hunting kills, or specifically...our Reinheart charging at the enemy team. I wish that when he's on my side i could disable his charge ability !!
As a main Reinhardt I have to say that I saw my biggest problem in the shield management as well. Especially in the Rein vs Rein fight. But I dont know how to train that because there are no Reinhardts who care for there Shield management in qp and only a few in competetive
6:16 this. I never feel like i trust my dps to know when to back off. i do my best to let them know how my shield's doing, but if soldier consistently goes past the barrier, i feel like i have to push with him so he won't get picked
Marcelo Costa Also healer main, but yesterday i got always killed by a mccree cause no one ever killed him... we had also 3 tanks... and i was solo healer... with mercy xD
Wudy at that point one of those tanks need to switch to dps if their good at it otherwise it comes down to how long you can live before getting team lured or picked off lol.
this season 4 Ive been playing a lot of rein since not much like to do it. And i pick up few things from just playing. I sometimes like to bait out enemy abilities such as roadhogs hook and rein ults, I basically put down my shield and in a split sec i bring it back up it does work. A tip for players starting to rein you can cancel his left click to bring up the shield Also its ok if you take a lil bit of damage when u take down ur shield its a way to help ur supports to get some ult charge. I always tell my team that the shield is going down so they can prepare and brace themselves. Also I normally take the shield down when its around 300-500 hp since if u let the shield be destroyed completely it will take a long time to be able to use it again.
Once we had a random player who chose Reinhardt, he just charged away from the team when enemy D.Va nerfed her mech out in the open. Quad kill so thanks a lot.
Not going to lie, I wasn't really happy when I saw this video pop up, and I put it off for awhile. I play a lot of tanks and comp. Mostly Reinhardt, and I play with a support player a lot, the only time I really play OverWatch Comp. This our great tips i can't wait to use. Thank you -Red
As a rein player that last point is absolutely true if you dont follow him into a fight he's just gunna be there with no help and discourage him to play that character
As a master mccree player, I'd say I stay behind the shield only when I choose to deadeye because there are better positions for me to hold down with support obviously and make it possible for rein or any other tank to push up(I mainly initiate team fights with kills On tracer, genji, pharah, or any supports). Otherwise I'll stay behind the shield if I know I'm getting shot from everything haha. When I get "blamed for not doing well(even when I have gold elims or getting key frags), I just tell them they're dysfunctional if their gonna blame me like that.
The only time I find myself getting angry at tanks is when they don't use their abilities. Like a Rinehart not moving forward when his shield is up. A D.VA not using Defence Matrix. Or a Zarya not using her bubbles on teammates.
It's hard to play Rein when you everyone on your team (usually except the healers) doesn't use your shield. I definitely hold up my shield too long at times but it's mostly due to the dps that always want to peak when they have a roadhog or something. another issue is trying to save your teammate when you should just let them die for overextending.
As an offtank main I don't play Rein much but when I do hilarious things tend to happen. DPS (and Ana...) deliberately go in front of my shield, or even AROUND it all the time to do some poke and I'm like wtf are you doing!?...
What you say on 6:10 is a thing as a tank main ( Reinhardt/Winston ) I really struggle sometimes with, if got shield managment under control normally.. Thing is people even on daimond/master sometimes completely forget that you have a shield and run in front of it and get pulled or stunned and die.. Shield managment is somthing the whole group can help with, if i have my shield down.. Get cover a bit until i feel comfertable holding it up agian if a big chunk of damage is incoming or the other team charges in and i block them..
Thank you! This video just helped me realising the mistake I was making all the time when playinh Rein. Could you make a video about Symmetra and how to build a team comp with her? I'm not sure if I should go with 2 healers + Sym or if one healer is enough.
People who haven't played Reinhardt do not realize that the shield needs to recharge... People just expect it to be up 100% of the game, when really it's better to use it when there's a push coming up.
For me I just take Rein's phrase "don't worry my friends I AM YOU SHIELD" really seriously. I use his body first and have a mercy behind me to trash all the enemy damage when I feel its safe to do so. Then when my teammates need to engage I put it up. Also I use his fire charge very often when my shield is down so the enemy does not predict it as easily. Also I do not tackle into the team unless if I know that: 1. If its worth it 2. If it guarentees the kill 3. If I know I will not die in the process as it will make my team suffer. Of course this is just based off the several hours I put into Reinhardt and I'm sure others have their own effective ways to handle Rein.
PSA: When your Rein is working well with your team comp... HE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT HERO ON YOUR TEAM!! Mercy and Ana you must absolutely do your best to keep them alive. A Mercy healing a Rein can be more deadly than most any DPS. And tanks in general are the foundation of team comps. Lose the tank, lose the foundation.
Roadhog isn't a tank, though. He doesn't function as a tank would, that being coordinating with the party, blocking incoming damage, and making it safe for the team to engage and potentially win a fight. Hog is a bullet sponge with high attack power and a self-heal; it's known among anyone who's played the game enough that he's best used offensively to exploit and punish any enemy player who's out of position or thinks they're going to do their own thing. He's one of the few heroes that is actually soloable for a set amount of time, like Genji or Tracer, and can be effective in doing so. In that regard, he plays a lot more like an offensive hero than a tank, doesn't matter that he has 600 HP. Many thanks on the video. I've already been doing a bit of what you mentioned you should do with Rein, that being utilizing positions and cover to recharge the shield, and I've noticed that I'm more aware of when to bring up the shield to engage. Knowing when to advance and when to back off as a tank is important. Something I've also found that has actually helped me win matches as Rein is that it's okay to take a bit of damage in exchange for shield recharge. Your shield isn't there to solely help you avoid taking damage as you move forward and be a badass sentinel, it's there for your whole team to have cover and fire through so they can initiate a team fight and start getting picks. If you're just standing there with your shield up to block every bit of damage, you're being a sub-par Rein. You need to block the damage that matters, and the damage that matters the most is the kind that will harm both you and your team enough to get at least two or three kills, or the kind that's focused on a key DPS or support that's keeping everyone alive or helping in the push.
As complicated and team oriented as Overwatch is, I would like to see them marking the class we're good with. Too many games have people ask for a Rein when EVERYONE ISN"T GOOD WITH REIN! Just a little marker with the two - classes or chars I'm best with would go a long way in making better team comps. Too many games have been lost by people playing roles they're still learning.
+ the most tilting ting that can happen to a Rein player is a soldier (or whatever dps or healer) that runs through your shield, and instantly get deleted even worse when they blame you because they run faster then rein
Tanks in overwatch are the prime source of initiation in team fights and in this coaching episode, freedo breaks down how to initiate properly and not throw your barriers away to early and if you do, what it means to the outcome of the game. Let us know what you think and be sure to drop a Like & Subscribe if you enjoyed!
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When your soldier runs in front of your shield by himself and dies then blames you, that always makes me smile
L Ruddy when u shield them and they still shit
When the only person pushing the cart with you is a mercy.
L Ruddy when mcree gets titled that his shots are missing but he's strafing behind a shield. that causes some laughs
L Ruddy No, when genji runs in dies, blames the healer.
when you get two kills and rein stands at the choke like a cat with four broken legs -_-
As a tank main, I can safely say that the big blue barrier that blocks damage seems to be a phobia for toxic dps'. Seriously they avoid it like the plague. Also when I initiate as a winston or rein, I expect you to move with me, not sit back and complain that I'm not shielding you
Ziivec dude. story of my life
Ziivec yeah when I'm playing attack and I see a enemy rein it really makes me fall back
Ziivec bro i play mcree and when our tank pushes i am usually thr only one who pushes with him when we have more mobile people like a soldier, tracer, or gengi.ive saved my rein from a charge or hook more times than I can count
Except often the team is not moving in with you because your team hasn't secured the current position yet. If you go in, and the position is not secure, there is no right move. If they come with you, the pharah or tracer or soldier up top or whatever will close in behind you picking off healers and DPS and pinching you from both sides. If they stay back and fight the flanker, their tank will have essentially committed suicide. Awareness of map control is extremely important for a tank.
That said, there are of course players who just sit back spamming long range damage at distant targets for no particular reason. These players should definitely wake up and get into the fight with their tank.
Ziivec.....you are partly right. IT is your job to initiate, but never initiate until your whole team says they are ready (why I only play in 6 stacks). When you aren't making an initiation, you job is to protect your medics. If you initiate, and your medics don't have the mobility to keep up, and a Genji or Tracer jumps on them because you left, then you end up dying, because they aren't healing you, because they are running for their lives or dead......now you know how it works. This is often a communication problem, hence why I lack 6 stacks.
Words from a tank main: When I initiate, MOVE YOUR ASS!
BlackRaveBow Say it again for the people in the back! 👏👏👏
BlackRaveBow yes
BlackRaveBow OMG YES! i hate it when I go in and the team is just staring at me and watching me die
BlackRaveBow as a Lucio who tries supporting tanks when they initiate, making me waste my amp or our tank use their tanking ability means your not doing you job. is tanks and supports seem to get fucked over by shitty DPS a lol
Hell yes! when you see your tank go in, follow him! I've died as rein and then watched my teammates sitting 30 yards back like they're on vacation.
A Rein whose shield is almost going down, charges in, doesn't hit the pin, and dies within 3 seconds. The team loses the fight, but the tank doesn't change his strategy. That's the kind I blame.
But none of this is worth being toxic for. I love everyone who picks a tank.
Yes, whenever I see this I think our tank is an idiot. That being said. Ive been that idiot.
Ruebari I only love it when someone competent picks Rein so i don't have to
I typically charge on the first choke initially. But I let my teammates know when I'm about to do it, so they can set up or get out the way, if I hit the pin I let them know and then they can go in. But if it doesn't work the first time, I typically ask they get a pick on say Bastion, or Ana/Mercy, or anyone else that has high DPS that can shred me before I hit the pin.
You see, the problem with that is it's an All In strategy. If it doesn't work, it's a great way to get moderately experienced or no headset teams wiped. And it usually doesn't work.
Especially if Rein is picked on koth maps, then tells me he's doing great because he blocked 20k damage! We died anyway, though, and lost.
As a Reinhardt main, really appreciate the call to action there on the end. The amount of times I open up a fight for my team, and nobody commits except me is frustrating.
"When to Blame the DPS" plz I need it ASAP.
Hammurabi the awesome "when to blame the dps" when I as the tank (happens more often then you think) or as the support (happened once as zenyatta) end the match with 4/5 or ALL GOLD. And I mean high gold (50+elims). While medals might be deceiving, when I as the tank am walking out with all of them, someone is not doing their job
KRMalana.2 depends on the comp. I sometimes as a DPS player find myself getting gold elims but no medal or bronze in damage. Does that mean I'm not doing enough damage? Am I perhaps finishing off key targets before they get healed? Is the guy with gold damage doing trash damage and feeding enemy support ult? Maybe rein is swinging his hammer all day and rarely using the shield. Medals don't tell the whole story
I think the "DPS Burden" video kind of fits this description.
When things don't die
Yeah that's what I mean, like if you are Mercy you rely on your DPS a lot, to protect you, to not go too far, to kill things, and they are just not doing it, super annoying.
that dva ult triggered me
When to blame the tank?
When you nanoboost him and he _retreats_ from the point
Chiaki Nanami you aren't supposed to be on the point with nana boost
+Shadings 3 of the enemy team were standing on the point, all squishies roadhog could take out in 2 shots, and me (pre-2017 nerf ana) and hanzo were with him
we should've won the fight but he ran away with the nanoboost
Aeris Generally you also Check if the person you’re boosting has ult. I’m a Genji main, but I play Ana a lot. This is a good habit to have because nanoboosting a Genji who’s on 60 hp and is no where near ult is a bad plan.
One thing that i have learnt from playing rein is that you should never let your shield hit 0, if you have to stop blocking at 30 then whats the difference? Just tell the team and listen for the other Rein's ult since it is easy to block if you're not directly in his face. Blocking a rein ult multiple times is so satisfying and then you see the role of rein switch to a dps main on their team and then you've won.
yup, even 30 hp on the barrier can block an earthshatter, also it recharges faster if it didn't hit 0. be aggressive, smack the enemy rein around, show him your dominance, then and only then have you attained true glory
Always blame yourself instead of your team. Keep your sanity and don't spread toxicity.
As if toxic players would actually do that, guess we can still hope.
To a certain extent. Don't always think that your playing rubbishly, as positivity helps, but always realise you could do better.
I duo cue with my friend all the time just sonhe can br my punching bag, always blame other ppl!!!
Yuri Mendes Rather then blaming yourself or others just don't get personal with it. Point out where people are making mistakes and be objective about it and what can be done better for the team as a whole rather then strictly placing blame when things don't go right
SilentK42 THIS. It's a team based game.
Thank you Your Overwatch for bringing this video to the community. I feel that so many players in our community just play a certain type of character (Genji mains/Junkrat rats/etcetera) that a lot of what you talk about brings to light what its like being a tank - I appreciate that. Also, I really liked the concept about thinking of the shield as an offensive ability. The offense that occurs isn't from you as an individual but as a team/collective, therefore, being an offensive ability. I never really comment on TH-cam videos but you guys are doing an amazing job and I really feel that you all help shape the positive aspects of our community throughout the ranks and game modes.
Kindly,
Sandaime
Another problem here is he is letting the shield hit 0. If you let it hit 0, it takes longer to allow him to shield, its way better to stop shielding at like 200hp so that way it doesn't announce the break and its usable faster.
I've been blamed by supports constantly for not staying alive
BRUH
Platinum a lot of support mains spend more time complaining than healing
>don't use shield
>pin enemy 29829498 miles away
>press X
Sure. Let me follow you to the death. :D
Having healers doesn't mean you're invincible.
This ^ Yesterday I got a Winston spamming X button, but never coming for me for heals even if I pressed "group up" button lol
I'm a Mercy and Ana main (also Sombra, but that's not important rn) and I only blame the tanks when they decide to charge straight to their death and expect me to follow them, or just decide to sponge fire from the entire enemy team and think they're immortal or something.
If you're charging out of position, into the entire enemy team and expecting me to follow you, or you drop your shield to do a fire strike with the entire team behind your shield and giving no warning, or you just try to sponge endlessly, you're to blame.
If you blame me for not keeping you alive when you do any of those, you're just a dick. If I fail to keep you alive when you're playing properly, then it's on me. But what I always say is that you should play as if you didn't have a healer, even though you do: you play much more carefully and actually play to stay alive, as opposed to being reckless and expecting me to somehow keep you alive.
Speaking of rein, every time I talk in global chat when I'm in a game, its in all caps and it has some sort of Reinhardt line at the end. for example, GG!!! FOR GLORY AND HONOR! or some shit lol
omg i saw that
Viqtor april fools!
That's because you're toxic af lol... Busted!
So many of these points only apply to like high-Platinum tiers and up. Below that, teams are generally not co-ordinated enough or have enough game sense to know to rush the choke when they hear Rein call out that his shield is destroyed. Pushes at lower tiers just don't happen that way.
this reminds me of the video about disregarding the choke points. that video helped me so much. when your tank and team is committed then blast through the choke and take the point. it helps so much when the tank is informed and has the team behind him.
You need a video called "When to blame to healer" with the first point being "the healer doesnt heal the tank". So many people seem to think that thanks are just damage sponges, they dont need healing like everyone else, and so they focus on everyone else while the tank is taking most of the damage. Then low and behold, the tank is dead, and everyone is blaming the tank
I think another important tip is to tank with your face as well in situations where you don't need the engage. if you position yourself in a way that you attract a decent amount of fire, but are safe from deadly abilities (ie hooks) you can save your shield and provide ult charge for your healers. of course this only works if the supports can be relied on to do their job and heal you up afterward
He had a Mei wall to back him up so I don't think it was a bad shield. One thing I know is that RH can do is move faster while his shield is up is jump instead of run then you move faster too. Team coordination is the best tip however. It's the difference between good and bad teams. Good Stuff Freedo!
The support helping the Rein with the rest of the team's positioning is exactly what I do with my team. I'm usually in the back - Ana, Lucio, Torbjorn mostly, so I get a good look of the "battlefield" - so I always let everyone know their and the enemy's positioning when I can. It helps a lot, so I highly recommend working on that if you're support or other backline heroes.
Also, NEVER let the shield go down to zero unless you can't help it. Takes far more time to recharge!
As a Rein main, I found this very helpful!
He might be a badass giant german, but he's a soft grampa at heart and wants to PROTECT HIS TEAM.
While I don't play as... uh, wastefully as the rein in the video, it's always helpful to get a new perspective on appropriate barrier timing.
As a Reinhardt main in high gold and low play range I find myself calling out to engage, team is assembled, and we have a good attack angle, but the team does not follow up on the advance. The shield fails, and when I fall back to recharge, the team is THEN moving forward past me, with no shield. I really appreciate that you said to give your tanks the confidence to engage, because I now find myself wondering whether the team is pushing with me, and that kind of mental distraction is awful.
This has been one of your most informative video's yet. The info provided is relevant at all tears and helpful to know regardless of what hero being played.
i understand we are talking about tanks and almost everyone in the comments are cool tank mains but am i the only one who noticed the d.va fail at 11:17? Seriously, that clip HAS to go to a fail list somewhere.
I always love the Rein that charges past the other team without pinning anything (usually also with zero shield charge) and then blames the healers for not following him (impossible and pocketing him. He also blames the team for not taking advantage of his clever diversion, forgetting that the term can't run past the Bastion that he left behind for us. He just does it over and over. Feeds his shield to the Bastion and then charges all the way to the back line with no pin. Then flames the team.
Watching that second gameplay gave me PTSD flashbacks of the teammates I got when I was stuck in platinum solo queue hell. Fucking so glad that nightmare is over, now just have to deal with the occasional, though rare, widow or hanzo main in masters who refuse to join voice chat or switch.
Blizzard hear me out: Reinhardt, rear-view mirror. Make it happen.
I know it's sort of a joke suggestion but I can see it, kinda. Make his shield give him a top-down view
Well you got it lmao
lol, u got it =))))
@@promaniac5469 huh?
+Marina Maged ??
The best part of this video was pointing out the last part of committing to the initiation. So many times as rein we start to move thrui the choke, and all of a sudden im surrounded, and the team is still poking behind walls not wanting to move forward with me waiting for that "poke pick".
Reinhardt is two characters rolled into one. The first is the reserved, conservative, guardian Reinhardt who protects his team while they do damage. On the other side of the coin, as soon as the fight breaks down and tons of enemies are all over the place, he becomes a damage dealing, unstoppable force with a hammer hit box the size of a bus. Knowing when and how to play both of those sides of Reinhardt is the key to being a powerful tank
When playing rein, I recommend talking out what is going on. update your team when your shield is at half/a quarter, and warn them in advance during a fight that it is about to break. let them know the shield is going down for a fire strike, or that you are gonna charge in. Team chat exists for a reason, be sure to use it and you will find a lot more success on rein and other heroes
I just recently subbed to this channel and watched your Reinhardt content. I managed to help my team defend Hanamura point 1 and even carry my team with Rein. I have a deep respect for him and I will definitely become a Rein player, and this channel inspired me to become a Rein player.
As a current season Rein main, I can testify only a tiny bunch of people actually know what that big blue rectangle is for. What I do is always call shots for the team, and let them know the state of the shield, enemy ults, when I'm ulting, etc. It's been working pretty good on my tortuous trip through platinum so far :p people LOVE an uplifting Reinhardt lol
If you play Reinhardt and your not in danger of Dying, remember this combo for maximum damage.
EarthShatter-> Fire Strike -> Charge
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This is why more and more often as Rein, I go "I'm going in, follow me!" over voice comms when committing to a push.
Because some people don't understand that you're supposed to follow the big moving shield. :(
Good tips. I have played Rein in a few pick up games where the entire team ignores me and my shield and runs off to do their own thing. It is amazing. In those situations I usually switch to another hero because what is the point.
I swear I don't know why, but at the SR point I'm currently at nobody wants to choose Rein. I know you don't need a Rein for everything, but still. You would think most of the time he's necessary for eichenwalde right? Apparently not. Then they wonder why we're getting picked off. As soon as I switch to Rein it's smooth sailing. I'm not saying ima pro Rein, but Im definitely causing a noticeable difference in these team fights.
Lol that's funny cause I actually play more D.va and I always flank on Eichanwalde, but certain games when I chose D.va nobody choses Rein or I guess the best comp to counter. I can touch the point all I want, but my team doesn't always come through. At least with a Rein I can touch the point as D.Va you know causing people to back up then our rein charges in with the team right behind. It works damn near all the time.
Kaaz Lovaas dive comps are really good on eichenwalde especially on 2nd point to get the soldier off high ground
Rein main here. People never follow me when im pushing in, ( even when i tell them to + spam the group up with me voice line ) and I end up walking in alone . The life of a plat. Solo queuing 😪 halp
YES TO ALL OF THIS! I'm a Rein main and these are the reasons I'm mostly 'stuck' in that role because most people can't play him properly, I really want to try out different roles but seeing our tank doing all of these mistakes just makes my blood boil. Thank you for this video, I really thought I was just some snobby asshole for thinking like this but seeing that this is actually a thing lightens my heart immensely.
To me a useful way to think of the shield is kind of like a healing ability. You want to use it when your nearby allies are likely to be taking damage or to protect allies who are low on health so they don't die. Using it when none of your team or the enemy team is nearby is just preventing your shield from being able to recharge without actually preventing your team from taking damage. Similarly you should be looking for opportunities to actively move into a position in front of an ally to block damage for them rather than hope they know to stand behind it. When a soldier is in front of you drop your shield and walk in front of them then raise the shield so you can get into position in front of them more quickly rather keep the shield up and try to slowly plod around not actually shielding them at all and losing shield strength in the process.
In short if you aren't blocking damage that would have hit an ally then you are not only wasting your shield strength but you are slowing down your own movement speed and keeping yourself from getting into a better position to protect your team. Using it only to protect yourself is usually pointless since that prevents you from using your offensive abilities and slows you down making you easier to flank, better to keep the shield off except when you are in a position that an ally can take advantage of it.
Love the content so much! It's educational and entertaining at the same time.
I call it 'shield rationing'. To be able to conserve it in lulls and activate it for engagements/offensives. And to be sure to save at least 1000 shield hp for a teamfight. And to tell your team "Shield down" at least 1-2s before you drop it.
Orisa's barrier can be juggled nicely with Rein shield, its nice having a barrier there longer
Hopefully now people understand just how difficult it is to play a tank role
Might I suggest the pop-ups with information that appear every so often in the bottom left hand of the screen. Try putting it in the top right or the top left. Overlaying it over the health and barrier information provides a clutter that doesn't make the pop-up immediately noticeable, and by the time someone does notice it, it'll take them a second to filter it from the game information. In the top corners, there is no In-game information, so the pop-ups are more noticeable and easier to read. :)
Would you guys consider doing a sort of plays of the month series?
i'd prefer a "team play of the month"
Trash blocking is the biggest hurdle I had to get over to learn Rein, after a bit of studying and quite a few hours of practice, I'm finally the Reinhardt that wins not only the shield wars, but the Rein mind games more often than not... though it's mostly because there isn't a whole lot of real Rein players, and experience is the biggest factor in a Rein vs Rein
Cloned Sheep Yeah you know when you come up against a filler Rein. I always drop shield for trash damage for support ult charge.
as a Reinhardt main with 100+ hours on rein, I see this way too much and its just wrong.
1- when you use Reinhardt's ultimate, dont fucking charge just hit everyone instead, charging pushes everyone infront of you away to safety cuz they are far from your team. if you dont charge all of them will be laying infront of you waiting to get hit by the hammer. just hit them and have mercy boosting ur attack and all of them will be dead or almost dead.
2- dont be that Reinhardt who holds up the shield on defense and keep going backwards. ALWAYS hold ur place on choke points and only go backwards when necessary and if you are on attack, PUSH on choke points. dont wait for enemy to make mistakes, ( if you push with confidence, they will get scared and can be easily broken.
3- if zarya uses her ult, dont charge on them, fire strike and hits with the hammer only.
4- dont think you are the dps on the team. sure you do need to attack and get some kills but dont be that guy who swings the hammer and never puts the shield.
5- dont charge at the enemy recklessly because your teammates are depending on your shield to stay alive. I hope this helps some of the people who plays Reinhardt
I'm a Reinhardt main and this helped me improve and learn the way of the Reinhardt
Awesome guide! I'm going to try and get better at playing Rein. especially since his ultimate can be a massive game changer
Speaking of initiating. How about when you use an initiating ult like Sombra's for example, and even though your whole team is there, they decide to keep hiding and doing poke damage until the ult has lost its effect, then they all decide to charge in and die afterwards, even though you communicated to them that you were going to ult, and checked if anyone else has an ult to follow up with. That just sucks.
I've been playing Overwatch for a while, and I've come to hate two things:
1. People saying "we need a Reinhardt", or "where was your shield!" (I'm a Rein main)
2. Not protecting your healer, or saying "where were my heals" (I'm also a Lúcio main)
I always love learning how to approve myself from these videos. But it's not always easy to apply these skills on Solo Q. Like when my team already lost the team fight, it's me vs 6 and my whole team is yelling to use my ultimate or rush on to point.
this is why i play winston. i can get in, out, above, and around. plus his bubble is effective as hell when the enemy cant focus fire a single target because too many individuals are getting picked off.
but for some reason, people just love to spam rein shields in every ranking below top 500 and GM. no way around it because apparently whoever wins this minigame of 'who's rein shield goes first' is justifiable for their "gold damage" while a pharah, tracer or any other dive hero gets the impact elims with bronze damage.
Also if you earthshatter don't use your charge as a rein it only pushes the majority of the enemies away yes it will give you a frag but the others will fly away while instead if you use your hammer to deal damage they get pulled in closer and you can damage almost all of them without sending them flying so your team can also shoot on them (sorry if my english suck's not my native language and it's too early to be thinking about perfect spelling)
Its true. For example : i played rein on Eichenwalde def. As long i made no mistakes i kept destroying their dive comp. They could only get Point A because i made some massive mistakes so they could kill me. We still have won this match because then i didnt make this mistake again.
You can't blame the tank if you never have one 👍🏼
as a dva player, the dva plays at the end made me cry
Thank you SO MUCH for this video. I've got 170 hours in Rein and I'm working on getting into Gold. It's tough when my team isn't using my shield and committing to the fight when I charge in. Even if your Rein makes a bad decision to initiate you HAVE to engage with him! If not, he's going to die and then everyone else is going to die anyway.
Nai Joker lol what console, I need a good rein player
In platinum we have a character that can heal, tank and dps his name is hanzo, he is really underrated in high levels. He is a must pick in every match.
Dude? You cant blame the tank. Thats why we have hanzo widow and sombra
ILGSQUAD Here you have the definition of a kid blaming people's picks.
What is joking and how does it work?
Yeah, I'm fine with my rein standing in front of the first eichenwalde choke. You know, that room across the road, yeah there. We clearly need better dps
if there is not a decent healer in the team, reinhardt is useless.This is why i main roadhog cause it has a ton of health, decent weapon, and can self heal 300 points at once
I'm sure I'm the only one here, but I was glad to see the proper use of "whom" at 7:23. didn't go unnoticed, just saying haha
most mcrees, roadhogs, sodiers etc i play with don't seem to understand the concept of standing behind the shield, or even being near the Rein
When there is a DVa ult, and the reinhardt prevents two people from taking cover behind his shield by moving away from them while they try to take cover behind the barrier.
I find the losing of a point usually starts with a tank mistake. Tanks going off on adventures hunting kills, or specifically...our Reinheart charging at the enemy team. I wish that when he's on my side i could disable his charge ability !!
This is really good content. Would love to see more videos about main tanking.
As a main Reinhardt I have to say that I saw my biggest problem in the shield management as well. Especially in the Rein vs Rein fight. But I dont know how to train that because there are no Reinhardts who care for there Shield management in qp and only a few in competetive
those videos at the end were back when DVA had 400 armor, thank God they changed that
This is great advice for Reinhardt players, great video. Keep up the good work guys
works for Orisa and Winston too-- because she is one of the best space creators when you work with her and the barrier
6:16
this. I never feel like i trust my dps to know when to back off. i do my best to let them know how my shield's doing, but if soldier consistently goes past the barrier, i feel like i have to push with him so he won't get picked
Tbh almost no one blames the tank... People always blames the healer.
People actually blame DPS. I'm a main healer and usually I don't get blamed.
Marcelo Costa Also healer main, but yesterday i got always killed by a mccree cause no one ever killed him... we had also 3 tanks... and i was solo healer... with mercy xD
Wudy at that point one of those tanks need to switch to dps if their good at it otherwise it comes down to how long you can live before getting team lured or picked off lol.
Ryanpoodle1 Try to explain this to my m8's
they usually blame the team for not killing the enemy that kills them
Also, if your rein blocks poke damage, then you are preventing your supports from charging their ults.
this season 4 Ive been playing a lot of rein since not much like to do it. And i pick up few things from just playing. I sometimes like to bait out enemy abilities such as roadhogs hook and rein ults, I basically put down my shield and in a split sec i bring it back up it does work. A tip for players starting to rein you can cancel his left click to bring up the shield Also its ok if you take a lil bit of damage when u take down ur shield its a way to help ur supports to get some ult charge.
I always tell my team that the shield is going down so they can prepare and brace themselves. Also I normally take the shield down when its around 300-500 hp since if u let the shield be destroyed completely it will take a long time to be able to use it again.
Once we had a random player who chose Reinhardt, he just charged away from the team when enemy D.Va nerfed her mech out in the open. Quad kill so thanks a lot.
That Dva ult at the end of the video has me cryin 😂😂😂
Not going to lie, I wasn't really happy when I saw this video pop up, and I put it off for awhile. I play a lot of tanks and comp. Mostly Reinhardt, and I play with a support player a lot, the only time I really play OverWatch Comp. This our great tips i can't wait to use.
Thank you
-Red
As a rein player that last point is absolutely true if you dont follow him into a fight he's just gunna be there with no help and discourage him to play that character
Pretty sick at landing offensive abilities? *Misses every single firestrike terribly*
As a master mccree player, I'd say I stay behind the shield only when I choose to deadeye because there are better positions for me to hold down with support obviously and make it possible for rein or any other tank to push up(I mainly initiate team fights with kills On tracer, genji, pharah, or any supports). Otherwise I'll stay behind the shield if I know I'm getting shot from everything haha. When I get "blamed for not doing well(even when I have gold elims or getting key frags), I just tell them they're dysfunctional if their gonna blame me like that.
The only time I find myself getting angry at tanks is when they don't use their abilities. Like a Rinehart not moving forward when his shield is up. A D.VA not using Defence Matrix. Or a Zarya not using her bubbles on teammates.
how is it the tanks fault that the dps isn't behind the shield attacking? what should he do just not put up the shield until they decide to walk up?
WHY CANT LUCIO WORK ON THE FARM? BECAUSE HE MIGHT DROP THE BEETS
I'm stealing this...
It's hard to play Rein when you everyone on your team (usually except the healers) doesn't use your shield. I definitely hold up my shield too long at times but it's mostly due to the dps that always want to peak when they have a roadhog or something. another issue is trying to save your teammate when you should just let them die for overextending.
As an offtank main I don't play Rein much but when I do hilarious things tend to happen. DPS (and Ana...) deliberately go in front of my shield, or even AROUND it all the time to do some poke and I'm like wtf are you doing!?...
What you say on 6:10 is a thing as a tank main ( Reinhardt/Winston ) I really struggle sometimes with, if got shield managment under control normally.. Thing is people even on daimond/master sometimes completely forget that you have a shield and run in front of it and get pulled or stunned and die.. Shield managment is somthing the whole group can help with, if i have my shield down.. Get cover a bit until i feel comfertable holding it up agian if a big chunk of damage is incoming or the other team charges in and i block them..
Thank you! This video just helped me realising the mistake I was making all the time when playinh Rein. Could you make a video about Symmetra and how to build a team comp with her? I'm not sure if I should go with 2 healers + Sym or if one healer is enough.
Kale Kurogawa Diamond and below single mercy/Ana works with sym comps. master+ Lucio and Ana.
People who haven't played Reinhardt do not realize that the shield needs to recharge...
People just expect it to be up 100% of the game, when really it's better to use it when there's a push coming up.
For me I just take Rein's phrase "don't worry my friends I AM YOU SHIELD" really seriously. I use his body first and have a mercy behind me to trash all the enemy damage when I feel its safe to do so. Then when my teammates need to engage I put it up. Also I use his fire charge very often when my shield is down so the enemy does not predict it as easily. Also I do not tackle into the team unless if I know that: 1. If its worth it 2. If it guarentees the kill 3. If I know I will not die in the process as it will make my team suffer. Of course this is just based off the several hours I put into Reinhardt and I'm sure others have their own effective ways to handle Rein.
You guys should make a guide on good dva nuke usage. I never know when to use it and end up holding it for the game.
last week I've seen a Rein standing in Front of a Bastion who had a wall behind him only holding up his shield...
a blaming guide? now toxic players can finally have some advanced flames
PSA: When your Rein is working well with your team comp... HE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT HERO ON YOUR TEAM!! Mercy and Ana you must absolutely do your best to keep them alive. A Mercy healing a Rein can be more deadly than most any DPS. And tanks in general are the foundation of team comps. Lose the tank, lose the foundation.
Roadhog isn't a tank, though. He doesn't function as a tank would, that being coordinating with the party, blocking incoming damage, and making it safe for the team to engage and potentially win a fight. Hog is a bullet sponge with high attack power and a self-heal; it's known among anyone who's played the game enough that he's best used offensively to exploit and punish any enemy player who's out of position or thinks they're going to do their own thing. He's one of the few heroes that is actually soloable for a set amount of time, like Genji or Tracer, and can be effective in doing so. In that regard, he plays a lot more like an offensive hero than a tank, doesn't matter that he has 600 HP.
Many thanks on the video. I've already been doing a bit of what you mentioned you should do with Rein, that being utilizing positions and cover to recharge the shield, and I've noticed that I'm more aware of when to bring up the shield to engage. Knowing when to advance and when to back off as a tank is important. Something I've also found that has actually helped me win matches as Rein is that it's okay to take a bit of damage in exchange for shield recharge. Your shield isn't there to solely help you avoid taking damage as you move forward and be a badass sentinel, it's there for your whole team to have cover and fire through so they can initiate a team fight and start getting picks. If you're just standing there with your shield up to block every bit of damage, you're being a sub-par Rein. You need to block the damage that matters, and the damage that matters the most is the kind that will harm both you and your team enough to get at least two or three kills, or the kind that's focused on a key DPS or support that's keeping everyone alive or helping in the push.
When to blame the Hanzo main: always
"Blame the tank... we all help each other do this" Say no more Freedo.
As complicated and team oriented as Overwatch is, I would like to see them marking the class we're good with. Too many games have people ask for a Rein when EVERYONE ISN"T GOOD WITH REIN! Just a little marker with the two - classes or chars I'm best with would go a long way in making better team comps. Too many games have been lost by people playing roles they're still learning.
+ the most tilting ting that can happen to a Rein player is a soldier (or whatever dps or healer) that runs through your shield, and instantly get deleted even worse when they blame you because they run faster then rein