Gus: What would you do if your instructor wraps you up in line, maybe rips off your mask, maybe throws rocks on top of you... Me: Tangled in the line, no mask, rocks on top of me? Welp, time to stab myself in the heart.
@@timgosling6189 It's a reference to a previous video where a body was found in a cave and it is presumed by investigators that the person did so in order to not die from drowning.
I’m not a diver, but I was in the Army. We did lots of drills to ensure the soldiers knew what to do when things go wrong. As platoon leader, I always had plans A thru D and found that whatever can go wrong will go wrong, so usually ended up using a combination of a couple of my plans. So I think this sort of dive training is good as long as it’s in a controlled setting and not done with a mean spirited instructor.
As a firearms and outdoor instructor, my job in training is to put my students in stressful and realistic situations. In my pistol and rifle classes, I have my students run 100 - 200 yards before the live fire drills commence. This is to simulate realistic heart rates and breathing patterns under stress. Additionally in my bushcraft and survival training courses, I put my students in realistic situations, (i.e. wet wood fire starting, shelter building, etc.) they could encounter on any hunting or hiking trip. In the end, realistic training is the only effective training. As a recently certified open water diver, (I'm obviously no expert) I see nothing wrong with these techniques. The scenarios seem plausible and the instructor was always right there to provide aid if needed. In the end, this is a great video showing how this instructor put these students in stressful situations while not endangering their lives anymore than was necessary. On a personal note, after deciding to take an open water course this summer I could not get enough of your content. I learned so much about diving before I even got in my confined water class. While in my class, I saw many of the issues you guys discussed and it helped prepare me for these issues ahead of time. It also allowed me to help some of my fellow divers as well. So, thanks for the content. I tell anyone who is considering or in an open water class to check out your videos. Thanks so much Gus and Woody! Keep up the great work!
This kind of training with exactly this instructor has saved me a big problems underwater already when an unusual problem occurred! I fully recommend. The safe cave diving is mostly about preparing your head not to panic and this is the training about.
Yup! As long as divers know going into it exactly what they’re getting and are properly vetted out (only accepting qualified divers who are advanced enough) then I see no problem with people voluntarily taking a course like this outside of the military. Especially tech divers! If I was at a stage where I was advanced enough for this, I would definitely want to take a course like this, especially since I’m panic/anxiety prone but ALSO very good with muscle memory and repetitive training that’s designed to drill something in your brain really takes away my anxieties once I’ve had enough exposure to/practice with something.
This feels like a brilliant training lesson, honestly. They were put in very real scenarios in what was overall pretty safe conditions with a very calm instructor who was watching them 100% of the time. It's one thing to be in a cave and know theoretically what to do if something goes wrong, it's another to have done it - that's especially true if it's in blackout conditions. People going through this training will likely be a lot calmer and more successful overall if they're ever in a similar situation for real.
Never been scuba diving in my life. I love this channel though. Not entirely sure how I found it. I found this channel and Mr. Ballen right around the same time. Either way, content is excellent and you don't need to be a diver to enjoy watching Woody and Gus! Thanks for the great stuff guys. Keep it up. I hope to go diving one day and maybe even cave diving after acquiring the requisite experience and training.
I am not a diver. HOWEVER, I have been stuck on EVERY video of yous twos because I appreciate your opinions, critiques, knowledge of your skill and just complete open and honest reactions. A LOT of the things Woody goes into great length about translate into other parts of life that mostly anyone can benefit from if they can understand "the why's." Gus is the young bull who wants to run in and see something, ANYTHING! Woody is the old bull who says let's take our time and appreciate everything. You two are a great team! Thanks guys - Nate Roy☆ P.S. Ed Sorenson is the cowboy who's gonna eat them two cows eventually.
I think training like this is every bit as much about handling stress and panic as it is about the technical aspects. From that aspect I think this looks like really good training in that way.
I like what these divers did. Practicing difficult circumstances under controlled conditions can't hurt, provided you have someone who is capable of ensuring safety. It appears these divers did what they could to ensure safety, especially by practicing these skills in what appears to be shallower open water (my assumption on the shallow part). Thanks for putting this one out there!!
Hi, just wanted to say you guys are awesome. I've been subscribed only a few weeks now, and I honestly don't know a thing about diving. In fact the whole idea terrifies me. But I can't help but be fascinated by your knowledge and on screen chemistry with each other. After watching most of your videos in the past few weeks I've gained respect for your passion, and the stories you tell. While I don't think I'll ever go diving myself, these videos show people like myself the fascinating world you guys live in. Thanks for all that you do, and stay humble as your channel grows. It really is fascinating to watch. And Woody is hilarious, find them aliens for the both of us!
I've gone through something sort of similar during a certain school. The idea was to sort of simulate extremely difficult current/surf conditions and more importantly to get us stressed and task-loaded. Basically we got trashed by the cadre and then had to recover. It was part stress inoculation and getting comfortable in difficult conditions, and part learning to conduct emergency procedures while extremely task-loaded. It was incredibly valuable training, and stress inoculation really does work.
I have no issues with anything here. My cave instructor would remove our fins if we allowed them to touch the bottom enough to cause silting. The cave we trained in was not very silty and had reasonable flow to clear things up so I didn't feel like that put us at any significant risk. It was a good way to learn to never be complacent about your feet position.
Was expecting something crazy like ''that'' rescue course you featured! But this didn't seem to bad. If standards allow for it, I wouldn't mind being put through this. Did not deter me from wanting to get cave certified :)
If an exercise is simulating a possible emergency and the exercises and solutions were discussed before the dive, stress exercises are great confidence builders.
I think it was a great training video... nothing too crazy or unrealistic. That previous one was definitely over the line and dangerous. This one was great and I really enjoyed watching it and hearing your inputs and advice. Another fantastic video by Dive Talk!
Hello. I'm not a diver but I thoroughly enjoy watching Dive Talk. Your channel just appeared on my TH-cam about a month ago and it intrigued me and now I am hooked. Your insight and the knowledge you share is invaluable even though I'm not a scuba diver. Thank you.
I love these reactions to actual dive footage and training exercises! As a diver I sometime retain random tips from these videos and I hear your voices on my dives to keep my fins up and angle my head down etc 😂
Compared to the other video, for me as a non-diver the greatest difference was that this instructor did it slow and surely, being in control of the exersise, not haphazardly ripping off masks left and right completely losing control of the situation.
As someone who dives recreationally with long hose primary donate, the moment he ripped the regulator from (presumably) his buddy's mouth I was like "whoa!" but great and well timed explanation Gus!
I have been open water diving since I was 8 years old and got certified when I was 15. I wanna learn to cave dive properly. I had a friend try to invite me to go cave diving with him. Because of you guys and the knowledge I get from you I told him no I have no cave experience. Some of your videos have scared me from cave diving WITHOUT PROPER cave diving training. Which I am thankful for. Looking for an instructor in my area to learn from.
Awesome, I love it when Gus isnt 💯%negative he's so informative when he isn't going after dummies in the water lol very professional I'm all for picking on people but Gus gets on a roll. Awesome show guys
The purpose for this excise is to stress the diver, and show them what they are capable to do, when they are stressed out. This is to help them to understand to that you can do allot when you are stressed out. This should only be done in the right environment. Its done to be more confident in the water. Its done to show you how much you can do. The dive is called break down dive. and is done in like a course like GUE fundamentals. This is not from GUE, but maybe ISE og Raid. I have done an excise where there was a stage at a line on a wheel. It was hanging on 9 meter off water. We were a team off 3 divers and had to share air from the one stage, so buddy breath 3 people on one stage. One person had to feel the line, and stop us at 6 and 3 meters. (knots on the line) One had to wheel the reel up while we are doing the ascend. All this had to be done in trim and no mask. This is also to show that you dont think, you react. This is also why you should do the S-drills and keep you skills at level at all times. So you have the muscle memory. This is why I go to the pool once a week and do my skills. Another thing is that allot of agencies won't let you touch the students equiptment, so a left post roll off can't be done on doubles. If the instructor can't turn off the left post on double and make him dononate. Then when he donate his primary his neckless should be turned off. Because it have hit the sealing in the cave. (excise ofc) The student then knows, ok im not out off air, Its my left post that is turned off. and He should reach back and open it.
I’ve only been watching you guys for about a week and I’m already looking for scuba diving courses near me, your love and enthusiasm for it is contagious keep up the great work guys !
Please please please consider reacting to the channel "Diving with a Purpose". They used to clean and collect discarded items from lake and river beds and started helping people find missing loved ones after they happened upon a bunch of different missing people and/or their vehicles in sequence and ended up helping a bunch of families locate their loved ones. They seem to still be doing it. Just found out about them and they really seem to deserve the coverage.
Interesting video and discussion as always guys! Thank you for your perspective! Definitely a different feel here than the worst instructor video in the past. It's helpful to see the contrast between the drill styles.
Great video guys! Looks like a good workshop in the video. Training beyond real life scenarios stille teaches you stress management and taskloading, so even though all skills from classes like this aren't 100% realistisc, you still learn a great deal from it!
Exactly, and by way of task loading, cross learning arises in 'real world' situations wherein multiple, dynamic events unfold and require adaptable responses from the individual.
I'm all preparations and also prepping for unforseen circumstances bc idk everyone else but my luck I'd have every single problem possible happen some people just have bad juju, but I agree with yall about that first instructor yall reacted to but this guy was pretty good making sure he was in control and close enough to react at any moment but u guys are great and so humble!! Much respect!!!
Woody…100% correct Standards are not easily nor cheaply created for the reason to teach the skill in a safe manner where it will be retained. This is a reaction only video… discussing is simply telling what we already know. Great video Gus
I totally agree with this type of drill We are a club with 30-something divers some of the divers regularly partaking in decompression dives in the English channel where conditions can be testing on a good day. Most of the divers have their groups which they like to dive with. Being a club we meet every Tuesday eve at the pool for training and developing drills for upcoming expeditions. The more advanced divers would dive the local lake partaking in these sorts of drills in their 3 man dive team Safty Safty has to be a priority getting the chance to experience firsthand the failers we might encounter on our dive.
Back in 2007 when I went for full cave [2 corses] in Mexico, I had already completed cavern and intro in northern Florida. I went with the best cave training school I heard of at the time. Our lights out exit, our instructor pulled the line from our weak OK 👌 sign on the line and wrapped it around my manifold. That was a disgusting exit, but we sorted ourselves and made it out. The light were constantly dying on us and it made it for and extra challenging course! Look sing back, I’m glad it did as losing a light became no big deal in the end!
Good video I agree with both of you. Extreme training will be better than a lack of training. Problems that compound can stress anyone even if it’s a simple problems. Good training imho. But trim was the biggest issue because of the reason you said.
Very interesting video guys! I had to research the instructor before offering any sort of opinion here (as I'm neither an instructor nor a diver). But what I found was interesting... He's a Polish treasure hunter and course director who does staff training, tech training and workshops. Known as the "MacGyver" of diving, he made his first rebreather with a car inner tube, mining rebreather parts, a toilet pipe and a vacuum cleaner! He seems to thrive on "winging" things which implies to me that he may sometimes give himself certain liberties while training. I would've loved an interview with Michal so Gus and Woody could pick his brain. Not sure if he speaks English though. All in all, great video! Oh, and to answer your question, I felt uncomfortable watching some of those underwater "tests". Probably would've bailed 5 mins in. Those divers are rockstars :-)
This looks like fun practice session done under direct supervision of instructor. I would enjoy doing this session as a refresher after some time out of cave diving.
Three thumbs up for you guys, this video, and many of the insightful comments ... particularly those emphasizing the importance of experiencing stress and repetition/muscle memory response when facing challenging, unexpected circumstances. Specifically addressing 2 of Woody's comments ... being familiar with using your knife (always razor sharp!) is a must and incorporating a 'cutting' exercise regularly is a great idea. Eyes shut, unsheathing one's knife, making 2 cuts overhead on 3/8th inch poly line is a good example. Great video.
Thanks Guys Greatly enjoy your content. I'm a basic open water diver and I would never go into an overhead environment without training before watching your videos But now I have a great understanding of the Why. Thank You Both.
I have never been on any kind of dive, snorkeling is the closest I've got but I have plenty of experience in extreme training measures and this seems like a well considered exercise and the skill level of his students seems to have been well measured. Everyone was calm an there were no extreme panics or mistakes during the drills. Seems well constructed and controlled by the instructor. In terms of safety at least I cannot comment on the techniques and the skills involved.
I remember my Cave instructor bless his soul he is not with us unfortunately his name was Mr. Rich Courtney this kind of training made me who I’m in cave diving who I’m …… guys like you who like wreck and cave diving so much thanks to the training I revive I fully trust my self.
Great stuff to watch! I would agree that the fact that this is in open water makes it acceptable. You both make some really good points about the things that are questionable, like kicking up the bottom. Personally, I like these types of drills because they make you a better diver at the end of the day.
You wanted comments so here are mine. 1) Everything that was done was in a controlled open water situation. 2) Proper class size for those drills. 3) Since they were already experienced divers those critical skills might be necessary one day, so best to learn them in that controlled environment. Certainly would not want to see some new diver with
I had one last dive in Mexico left, for full cave, I was in the back with the reel in last place. We had a restriction/share air, that was coming up in the end. We all swim under this rock formation (Boulder) and it gets knocked loose further as I swim under. I was in a Haloclyne so not the best visibility. I try to move but I’m pinned to the floor! I first try signalling my team however, they didn’t notice, and turn the dark corner. I felt panic seeping in however, pushed it down hard telling myself to NOT DROP THE LINE. I stirred but silt so I was unable to read my air gage to reassure myself. I finally got my long hose out from around the huge rock and was fine. Thought I would share, no viz was nothing as long as I never dropped that reel!
Oh man, that story had me on the edge of my seat o.o that had to be so terrifying! Congrats on keeping a calm head, I cant say id have been able to do that if I were in a cave and become pinned by a falling rock. How long was it before you saw your friends again? Did they notice you weren't with them anymore and come to look? (Thank god you were able to free yourself and make it out safely)
@@gingereden546 I finally did catch up with them as they stayed in place around the corner when they noticed I wasn’t there. When the dive ended I would be lying if I said I finally did start crying. However, I went back in to do more cave dives that day. I was pretty mad at them to be honest lol.
I have no problem with this for tech training. During my cave training I did a "stress circuit" (nicknamed "death circuit") in open water where the instructor makes several incidents happen at once or in close succession. We laid down a line circuit which you have to exit. You're blind folded, lose a fin, get a reg freeflow or a inflator freeflow, an entanglement and he tries to snatch the line from your hand. Great way to practice triaging your issues and gain confidence. Fix whatever is life threatening first, manage your stress level then proceed to exit. It was great fun but definitely prepared me for the exercises we later did in the cave.
Most probably will do my cave training end of next year, or beginning of the next. Definitely CAN wait to experience these type of emergency situations ;). At least I know what to expect. Very curious if I can learn to do these skills in such conditions!!!! Have an awesome weekend!
I have no problem with tough training, as long as it is controlled and there is help available 100 % of the time. In other words, I only see 2 divers and 1 instructor, plus of course the guy filming the whole thing. I would have preferred to see 2 divers, 1 instructor and 1 extra safety close by who can come to the rescue at any second. That is why the military always trains in an extremely controlled situation and when you do that you can go very far in your training. There is a saying in the military that goes like: 'train as you fight' and it does work.
Hi Gus and Woody from Christchurch in NZ I’m not a diver but love your videos. You both not only have the experience to give constructive criticism well, but you are both good guys and it really shows. And if I was ever to be instructed to dive I would definitely want an instructor like you guys. Not the dude shown here. Bugger that. Cheers guys.
One of my cave diving fears is exiting on a gas share in zero vis with some crappy old line and then breaking it or pulling it off a tie off and becoming entangled.
One of the Thai cave rescue divers lost contact with the line and had no viz. IIRC, he stayed still for a few minutes, remained calm, and eventually regained contact with the line. All this with a semi conscious boy tethered to him. That entire Thai rescue operation was beyond miraculous.
@@Coffeeguyzz I remember when I was happening I thought there was no possibility they'd get all of those kids out safely. It's by far the most incredible rescue operation in recorded history
Looks like a breakdown dive to me. 1st dive of the course in shallow water; max 5m so you can evaluate the students. You can also see you have the instructor + camera man, so I would expect afterwards to have a detailed video debrief and touch on all the points which can be improved.
For me it taught me not to Panic . I am 70 still diving i have 2 kirby Morgan plus i live in The Philippines i started Diving at 26 I was trained at Diving Chamber in St Louis Mo
This actually looked like a lot of fun. Like to see your comments on the stress tests navy seals go through during their training. Are those realistic, no not really but they get your comfortable if something happens.
In my book, once you are passed the initial training, when it comes to life-saving skills you do not want to simply train for realistic situations but for the worse. And then when something happened, you can handle it without a problem.
Something I've always wondered, with the recent advent of JANUS could we see consumer grade devices for the wireless communication of speech for divers?
The instructor turning off your air at random in a controlled environment on your inhale or exhale, would allow to feel the initial shock of "hey that thing you've been doing your whole life, yeah you can't do that now". It teaches you how to stay calm and handle the situation. This is an important lesion to learn before it happens in real life at any depth, let alone 300+ feet below the surface in a cave.
Im not a diver, i cant even swim, but i was a volunteer firefighter for 7 years. Training is important, try to train as close to perfect as possable, then if an emergancy happens, if its not perfect you have a better chance of surviving. Plus practicing skills poorly or too relaxed leads to proforming skills poorly or incorectly. Great video guys thankyou for being real about things.
Looks like a great confined space primer or workshop. Practicing emergency procedures under stressful conditions in open water with close supervision. I would sign up for this!
Just went n checked out all your guys merch and just wanna say.. Wow! Yall even got scrunchies! Impressed! I adore your channel guys - sending love from Canada.
I think this kind of stress testing and experience is a good way to do it - simulate the stress for the students but in a safe location with an instructor nearby. Given the fact this was videoed, this seems like its a GUE class (they do that - practice video it and debrief after) and I know of some Tech 1 instructors that require a 15 minute deco with no mask (which might be ok in Hawaii, but in Monterey, is a bit uncomfortable...)
As you can see when a situation like this occurs you can lose the mask by mistake, if your buddy accidentally knock it off.... So it's always useful to train without the mask or blindfolded or even blindfolded without a mask! Very good training if you ask me...
I am not cave trained yet but every dive I practice at least one or more skills I try to always do skills that I have at one point stumbled on or found uncomfortable
I agree with high stress testing to a certain extent as long as it’s done safely and under guidance from experienced instructors.. knowing your own limitations and reactions to certain stresses could be life saving, not just in diving but all action sports or hunting or even weapons training. I’m not a diver but I would appreciate learning under stress like that just so I know all the more about my own reactions and what to work on in the future to remain as cool headed as possible
I'm not a diver but I felt like the challenges given during this were much less intense and seemingly more realistic. Love the shirt Woody was wearing. I'm getting it!
Watching this video I assume this divers are from Europe - potentially Poland, based on equipment (SANTI). Two points worth mention: 1. this workshop was more about trining divers mind and prepare them to the worst or the worst situations (more likely never happened in real life), to be prepare and do not panic in stressful situations. 2. in Europe there is not much (if any) caves to dive, mostly are mines which I believe they more dangerous than caves (correct me if I'm wrong), so divers need to be prepare not only for typical cave scenarios but as well for much more like collapse exit on the way out etc... as long as this is not training course and divers have some experience and workshop / exercises are in safe environment, I think is worth to be trained more then less Have a safe diving guys !
Question- why is it better to touch the top of the cave than the bottom (especially if already silted out)? I would think it'd be the opposite. Great video! Always stoked to see a new Dive Talk.
Great video. I think we should know what the main purpose of the drill was. We can’t assume this was training uncertified divers. Probably a more experienced diver was training certified divers how to handle stressful situations regardless whether they could happen in real dives. If you frequently train under more demanding conditions and learn how to act properly, you develop good skills (habits) that make you a safer diver. We should encourage people to practice skills more often to minimize the human error. Gus an Woody’s comments were awesome, good job.
I think this was some quality training. 👌🏽 The bubbles sign was cute. But I love learning all the diving sign I think this guy was a lot better than the other instructor. That guy was a power hungry, psychologicaly torturous sociopath!!
I was really expecting Gus to make a joke, when Woody mentioned about the importance of taking a knife, about thrusting it through his heart in the event of being ‘trapped’!
The saying they had when I was in the army was, “Train hard, fight easy” I feel like this could be applied to this type of dive training too. If you are prepared for the absolute worst case and more, then any normal problem will be easy to respond too.
For me it looks like Zakrzówek old query in Krakow/Poland. If I'm right then it is for sure open water and this platform is at 6m and they are doing those exercises between 4-9m based on my experience in this place.
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. I hope you see this, I saw you yesterday November the 14 on a dive trip to pompano you walked off the boat with an amazing rebreather I a very interested in a rebreather but since I am 11 I need a little more training until I could get one. But just thought I should let you know. :)
Hi Nathan! I wish you would’ve said Hi I would’ve loved meeting you and I hope you continue to dive and improve and in a few years you’ll also be diving an amazing rebreather!
Is there a website or somewhere that divers can go when making their dive plan to see if the cave they are planning on diving is silted out at whatever depth or date that it was either done or seen so you can change dive location? Even a weather proof book/board on site for divers to warn each other about it?
5:24 in: Gus, is it a cave-specific skill to teach divers to just grab their buddies reg and rip it out of their mouth, unsuspectingly, in a no-vis situation? This is something I have never heard of before. I don’t know about cave training, but I’ve never taught this (mind you, I’m not yet cave certified, which is why I’m asking). I teach long hose use for all courses, basic and up (exceptions would be specific-use regulator setups), and teach hand signals for out of air, where the donor donates his primary to the recipient, and touch signals for no-vis situations. Is it taught in cave courses to just grab it and pull it out for yourself? What if your buddy was mid-inhale when you grab it?
I remember seeing that Worse Instructor video and then I saw MrBAllen's video about answering questions and he mentioned that as a Navy SEAL test/training they had to get attacked like that in try to stand it for 20 mins. He said he failed it so many times because he'd panic. Then he finally passed when he was determined to do it and drown... So I guess it does happen in some places... I don't think I could handle it hahah
I’m not a diver but I would think it would be important to see how you react to such a situation. It would be awful to find yourself in that situation inside a cave and discover that you would freak out not be able to handle it and also possibly put others lives in danger.
You guys Rock!!! I'm huge fan!!! Watching all your videos. I am a drone pilot in the sky's and you guys are the real deal under water. I love how you guys are regulating your hobby yourselves and teaching the safety aspect. We do the same but unfortunately with Amazon wanting to use drones it put a spotlight on us with the government. With ppl like you guys I think your hobby can go a long way and I would love to take a couple open water classes. Cave dives are for the bad asses and that's not me 😁
@8:34 I think here the instructor is telling Diver 1 to point towards exit so as not to lose reference of the direction of exit :) However, I also remember my instructor trying to knock the line out of my hands, unfortunately with success. I would hope that that would be the last time ever that it happens - in training.
What if you are a group of divers in a cave with multiple ways and it´s dark but there´s a guiding rope to follow. One of the divers loosing air fast for some reson and the diver follows the rope to get to the surface but some how manages to get tangled in the rope. The air is soon gone and the other divers are in another section of the cave but will probably not make it out unless they are following the rope. What should the tangled diver do? Cut the rope or just accept it and wait?
They should all be exiting together so they help each other but you can’t just wait and drown so if somehow the diver is separated then cut the line, do a quick repair and get out of there!
When woodys eyes are closed as he starts speaking you know wise words are on the way 👌
Facts, either that or he got really serious about something. Ironically mostly his fish talking philosophy. Which I totally believe
Omg!!! I literally came here to comment the same thing essentially. How wild yours is the top comment hahah nice
Scuba Guru.
Or he's just spazzing
Facts..
Gus: What would you do if your instructor wraps you up in line, maybe rips off your mask, maybe throws rocks on top of you...
Me: Tangled in the line, no mask, rocks on top of me? Welp, time to stab myself in the heart.
I had no idea where you were going with this but loved it 🤣
😂
It’s the only sensitive thing to do…according to “facts”
If you can stab yourself you have a knife, so you can cut line. Think positive!
@@timgosling6189 It's a reference to a previous video where a body was found in a cave and it is presumed by investigators that the person did so in order to not die from drowning.
I’m not a diver, but I was in the Army. We did lots of drills to ensure the soldiers knew what to do when things go wrong. As platoon leader, I always had plans A thru D and found that whatever can go wrong will go wrong, so usually ended up using a combination of a couple of my plans. So I think this sort of dive training is good as long as it’s in a controlled setting and not done with a mean spirited instructor.
I get it can be' important for service men and women...but if the recreationals get pissed they are right
What unit were you at PL?
@@ItsDeath-fr7wp at pl?
@@Pedro-k1i9s she stated she was a PL or Platoon Leader
Not even American but from a Canadian thanks for your service.
As a firearms and outdoor instructor, my job in training is to put my students in stressful and realistic situations. In my pistol and rifle classes, I have my students run 100 - 200 yards before the live fire drills commence. This is to simulate realistic heart rates and breathing patterns under stress. Additionally in my bushcraft and survival training courses, I put my students in realistic situations, (i.e. wet wood fire starting, shelter building, etc.) they could encounter on any hunting or hiking trip. In the end, realistic training is the only effective training. As a recently certified open water diver, (I'm obviously no expert) I see nothing wrong with these techniques. The scenarios seem plausible and the instructor was always right there to provide aid if needed. In the end, this is a great video showing how this instructor put these students in stressful situations while not endangering their lives anymore than was necessary.
On a personal note, after deciding to take an open water course this summer I could not get enough of your content. I learned so much about diving before I even got in my confined water class. While in my class, I saw many of the issues you guys discussed and it helped prepare me for these issues ahead of time. It also allowed me to help some of my fellow divers as well. So, thanks for the content. I tell anyone who is considering or in an open water class to check out your videos. Thanks so much Gus and Woody! Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the great comment!
Sounds like you teach a great class.
This kind of training with exactly this instructor has saved me a big problems underwater already when an unusual problem occurred! I fully recommend. The safe cave diving is mostly about preparing your head not to panic and this is the training about.
Great observation
Yup! As long as divers know going into it exactly what they’re getting and are properly vetted out (only accepting qualified divers who are advanced enough) then I see no problem with people voluntarily taking a course like this outside of the military. Especially tech divers! If I was at a stage where I was advanced enough for this, I would definitely want to take a course like this, especially since I’m panic/anxiety prone but ALSO very good with muscle memory and repetitive training that’s designed to drill something in your brain really takes away my anxieties once I’ve had enough exposure to/practice with something.
This feels like a brilliant training lesson, honestly. They were put in very real scenarios in what was overall pretty safe conditions with a very calm instructor who was watching them 100% of the time. It's one thing to be in a cave and know theoretically what to do if something goes wrong, it's another to have done it - that's especially true if it's in blackout conditions. People going through this training will likely be a lot calmer and more successful overall if they're ever in a similar situation for real.
Never been scuba diving in my life. I love this channel though. Not entirely sure how I found it. I found this channel and Mr. Ballen right around the same time. Either way, content is excellent and you don't need to be a diver to enjoy watching Woody and Gus! Thanks for the great stuff guys. Keep it up. I hope to go diving one day and maybe even cave diving after acquiring the requisite experience and training.
same, with divetalk and mr ballen
...me too...lol...Mr.Ballen did it!! 😄🥰😊 )0(
Mr BAllen.
Me too!!!! :) It came up because I watch Mr. Ballen.
I am not a diver. HOWEVER, I have been stuck on EVERY video of yous twos because I appreciate your opinions, critiques, knowledge of your skill and just complete open and honest reactions. A LOT of the things Woody goes into great length about translate into other parts of life that mostly anyone can benefit from if they can understand "the why's." Gus is the young bull who wants to run in and see something, ANYTHING! Woody is the old bull who says let's take our time and appreciate everything. You two are a great team!
Thanks guys
- Nate Roy☆
P.S. Ed Sorenson is the cowboy who's gonna eat them two cows eventually.
I think training like this is every bit as much about handling stress and panic as it is about the technical aspects. From that aspect I think this looks like really good training in that way.
I like what these divers did. Practicing difficult circumstances under controlled conditions can't hurt, provided you have someone who is capable of ensuring safety. It appears these divers did what they could to ensure safety, especially by practicing these skills in what appears to be shallower open water (my assumption on the shallow part). Thanks for putting this one out there!!
Hi, just wanted to say you guys are awesome. I've been subscribed only a few weeks now, and I honestly don't know a thing about diving. In fact the whole idea terrifies me. But I can't help but be fascinated by your knowledge and on screen chemistry with each other. After watching most of your videos in the past few weeks I've gained respect for your passion, and the stories you tell. While I don't think I'll ever go diving myself, these videos show people like myself the fascinating world you guys live in. Thanks for all that you do, and stay humble as your channel grows. It really is fascinating to watch. And Woody is hilarious, find them aliens for the both of us!
I've gone through something sort of similar during a certain school. The idea was to sort of simulate extremely difficult current/surf conditions and more importantly to get us stressed and task-loaded. Basically we got trashed by the cadre and then had to recover. It was part stress inoculation and getting comfortable in difficult conditions, and part learning to conduct emergency procedures while extremely task-loaded. It was incredibly valuable training, and stress inoculation really does work.
I have no issues with anything here. My cave instructor would remove our fins if we allowed them to touch the bottom enough to cause silting. The cave we trained in was not very silty and had reasonable flow to clear things up so I didn't feel like that put us at any significant risk. It was a good way to learn to never be complacent about your feet position.
Was expecting something crazy like ''that'' rescue course you featured! But this didn't seem to bad. If standards allow for it, I wouldn't mind being put through this. Did not deter me from wanting to get cave certified :)
Great to hear!
If an exercise is simulating a possible emergency and the exercises and solutions were discussed before the dive, stress exercises are great confidence builders.
I think it was a great training video... nothing too crazy or unrealistic. That previous one was definitely over the line and dangerous. This one was great and I really enjoyed watching it and hearing your inputs and advice. Another fantastic video by Dive Talk!
Hello. I'm not a diver but I thoroughly enjoy watching Dive Talk. Your channel just appeared on my TH-cam about a month ago and it intrigued me and now I am hooked. Your insight and the knowledge you share is invaluable even though I'm not a scuba diver. Thank you.
I love these reactions to actual dive footage and training exercises! As a diver I sometime retain random tips from these videos and I hear your voices on my dives to keep my fins up and angle my head down etc 😂
Compared to the other video, for me as a non-diver the greatest difference was that this instructor did it slow and surely, being in control of the exersise, not haphazardly ripping off masks left and right completely losing control of the situation.
As someone who dives recreationally with long hose primary donate, the moment he ripped the regulator from (presumably) his buddy's mouth I was like "whoa!" but great and well timed explanation Gus!
I have been open water diving since I was 8 years old and got certified when I was 15. I wanna learn to cave dive properly. I had a friend try to invite me to go cave diving with him. Because of you guys and the knowledge I get from you I told him no I have no cave experience. Some of your videos have scared me from cave diving WITHOUT PROPER cave diving training. Which I am thankful for. Looking for an instructor in my area to learn from.
Awesome, I love it when Gus isnt 💯%negative he's so informative when he isn't going after dummies in the water lol very professional I'm all for picking on people but Gus gets on a roll. Awesome show guys
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The moment you realize the 'A' in y'all's dive talk logo is designed after the direction arrow, nice touch!
Bingo.
The purpose for this excise is to stress the diver, and show them what they are capable to do, when they are stressed out. This is to help them to understand to that you can do allot when you are stressed out. This should only be done in the right environment. Its done to be more confident in the water. Its done to show you how much you can do.
The dive is called break down dive. and is done in like a course like GUE fundamentals. This is not from GUE, but maybe ISE og Raid.
I have done an excise where there was a stage at a line on a wheel. It was hanging on 9 meter off water. We were a team off 3 divers and had to share air from the one stage, so buddy breath 3 people on one stage. One person had to feel the line, and stop us at 6 and 3 meters. (knots on the line)
One had to wheel the reel up while we are doing the ascend. All this had to be done in trim and no mask.
This is also to show that you dont think, you react. This is also why you should do the S-drills and keep you skills at level at all times. So you have the muscle memory. This is why I go to the pool once a week and do my skills.
Another thing is that allot of agencies won't let you touch the students equiptment, so a left post roll off can't be done on doubles. If the instructor can't turn off the left post on double and make him dononate. Then when he donate his primary his neckless should be turned off. Because it have hit the sealing in the cave. (excise ofc) The student then knows, ok im not out off air, Its my left post that is turned off. and He should reach back and open it.
I agree! in fact, diving and being under water scare the life out of me, its nothing I ever want to do. But regardless, its extremely fascinating! :D
I’ve only been watching you guys for about a week and I’m already looking for scuba diving courses near me, your love and enthusiasm for it is contagious keep up the great work guys !
Please please please consider reacting to the channel "Diving with a Purpose". They used to clean and collect discarded items from lake and river beds and started helping people find missing loved ones after they happened upon a bunch of different missing people and/or their vehicles in sequence and ended up helping a bunch of families locate their loved ones. They seem to still be doing it. Just found out about them and they really seem to deserve the coverage.
Interesting video and discussion as always guys! Thank you for your perspective! Definitely a different feel here than the worst instructor video in the past. It's helpful to see the contrast between the drill styles.
Great video guys! Looks like a good workshop in the video. Training beyond real life scenarios stille teaches you stress management and taskloading, so even though all skills from classes like this aren't 100% realistisc, you still learn a great deal from it!
Exactly, and by way of task loading, cross learning arises in 'real world' situations wherein multiple, dynamic events unfold and require adaptable responses from the individual.
I'm all preparations and also prepping for unforseen circumstances bc idk everyone else but my luck I'd have every single problem possible happen some people just have bad juju, but I agree with yall about that first instructor yall reacted to but this guy was pretty good making sure he was in control and close enough to react at any moment but u guys are great and so humble!! Much respect!!!
Woody…100% correct
Standards are not easily nor cheaply created for the reason to teach the skill in a safe manner where it will be retained. This is a reaction only video… discussing is simply telling what we already know.
Great video Gus
I totally agree with this type of drill We are a club with 30-something divers some of the divers regularly partaking in decompression dives in the English channel where conditions can be testing on a good day. Most of the divers have their groups which they like to dive with. Being a club we meet every Tuesday eve at the pool for training and developing drills for upcoming expeditions. The more advanced divers would dive the local lake partaking in these sorts of drills in their 3 man dive team Safty Safty has to be a priority getting the chance to experience firsthand the failers we might encounter on our dive.
Sounds like your mob really have it together.
Back in 2007 when I went for full cave [2 corses] in Mexico, I had already completed cavern and intro in northern Florida. I went with the best cave training school I heard of at the time. Our lights out exit, our instructor pulled the line from our weak OK 👌 sign on the line and wrapped it around my manifold. That was a disgusting exit, but we sorted ourselves and made it out. The light were constantly dying on us and it made it for and extra challenging course! Look sing back, I’m glad it did as losing a light became no big deal in the end!
Good video I agree with both of you. Extreme training will be better than a lack of training. Problems that compound can stress anyone even if it’s a simple problems.
Good training imho. But trim was the biggest issue because of the reason you said.
Very interesting video guys!
I had to research the instructor before offering any sort of opinion here (as I'm neither an instructor nor a diver).
But what I found was interesting... He's a Polish treasure hunter and course director who does staff training, tech training and workshops.
Known as the "MacGyver" of diving, he made his first rebreather with a car inner tube, mining rebreather parts, a toilet pipe and a vacuum cleaner! He seems to thrive on "winging" things which implies to me that he may sometimes give himself certain liberties while training.
I would've loved an interview with Michal so Gus and Woody could pick his brain. Not sure if he speaks English though. All in all, great video!
Oh, and to answer your question, I felt uncomfortable watching some of those underwater "tests". Probably would've bailed 5 mins in. Those divers are rockstars :-)
This looks like fun practice session done under direct supervision of instructor. I would enjoy doing this session as a refresher after some time out of cave diving.
Three thumbs up for you guys, this video, and many of the insightful comments ... particularly those emphasizing the importance of experiencing stress and repetition/muscle memory response when facing challenging, unexpected circumstances.
Specifically addressing 2 of Woody's comments ... being familiar with using your knife (always razor sharp!) is a must and incorporating a 'cutting' exercise regularly is a great idea. Eyes shut, unsheathing one's knife, making 2 cuts overhead on 3/8th inch poly line is a good example.
Great video.
Thanks Guys Greatly enjoy your content. I'm a basic open water diver and I would never go into an overhead environment without training before watching your videos But now I have a great understanding of the Why. Thank You Both.
I have never been on any kind of dive, snorkeling is the closest I've got but I have plenty of experience in extreme training measures and this seems like a well considered exercise and the skill level of his students seems to have been well measured. Everyone was calm an there were no extreme panics or mistakes during the drills. Seems well constructed and controlled by the instructor. In terms of safety at least I cannot comment on the techniques and the skills involved.
I remember my Cave instructor bless his soul he is not with us unfortunately his name was Mr. Rich Courtney this kind of training made me who I’m in cave diving who I’m …… guys like you who like wreck and cave diving so much thanks to the training I revive I fully trust my self.
Great stuff to watch! I would agree that the fact that this is in open water makes it acceptable. You both make some really good points about the things that are questionable, like kicking up the bottom. Personally, I like these types of drills because they make you a better diver at the end of the day.
You wanted comments so here are mine.
1) Everything that was done was in a controlled open water situation.
2) Proper class size for those drills.
3) Since they were already experienced divers those critical skills might be necessary one day, so best to learn them in that controlled environment.
Certainly would not want to see some new diver with
I had one last dive in Mexico left, for full cave, I was in the back with the reel in last place. We had a restriction/share air, that was coming up in the end. We all swim under this rock formation (Boulder) and it gets knocked loose further as I swim under. I was in a Haloclyne so not the best visibility. I try to move but I’m pinned to the floor! I first try signalling my team however, they didn’t notice, and turn the dark corner. I felt panic seeping in however, pushed it down hard telling myself to NOT DROP THE LINE. I stirred but silt so I was unable to read my air gage to reassure myself. I finally got my long hose out from around the huge rock and was fine. Thought I would share, no viz was nothing as long as I never dropped that reel!
Oh man, that story had me on the edge of my seat o.o that had to be so terrifying! Congrats on keeping a calm head, I cant say id have been able to do that if I were in a cave and become pinned by a falling rock. How long was it before you saw your friends again? Did they notice you weren't with them anymore and come to look? (Thank god you were able to free yourself and make it out safely)
@@gingereden546 I finally did catch up with them as they stayed in place around the corner when they noticed I wasn’t there. When the dive ended I would be lying if I said I finally did start crying. However, I went back in to do more cave dives that day. I was pretty mad at them to be honest lol.
I have no problem with this for tech training. During my cave training I did a "stress circuit" (nicknamed "death circuit") in open water where the instructor makes several incidents happen at once or in close succession. We laid down a line circuit which you have to exit. You're blind folded, lose a fin, get a reg freeflow or a inflator freeflow, an entanglement and he tries to snatch the line from your hand. Great way to practice triaging your issues and gain confidence. Fix whatever is life threatening first, manage your stress level then proceed to exit. It was great fun but definitely prepared me for the exercises we later did in the cave.
Most probably will do my cave training end of next year, or beginning of the next. Definitely CAN wait to experience these type of emergency situations ;). At least I know what to expect. Very curious if I can learn to do these skills in such conditions!!!! Have an awesome weekend!
I literally wait every week to see your videos!! This is my favorite channel right now!❤️
Thank you! We appreciate you.
I have no problem with tough training, as long as it is controlled and there is help available 100 % of the time. In other words, I only see 2 divers and 1 instructor, plus of course the guy filming the whole thing. I would have preferred to see 2 divers, 1 instructor and 1 extra safety close by who can come to the rescue at any second. That is why the military always trains in an extremely controlled situation and when you do that you can go very far in your training. There is a saying in the military that goes like: 'train as you fight' and it does work.
great advice at the end, really enjoyed the video :)
Hi Gus and Woody from Christchurch in NZ
I’m not a diver but love your videos.
You both not only have the experience to give constructive criticism well, but you are both good guys and it really shows.
And if I was ever to be instructed to dive I would definitely want an instructor like you guys. Not the dude shown here. Bugger that.
Cheers guys.
One of my cave diving fears is exiting on a gas share in zero vis with some crappy old line and then breaking it or pulling it off a tie off and becoming entangled.
One of the Thai cave rescue divers lost contact with the line and had no viz.
IIRC, he stayed still for a few minutes, remained calm, and eventually regained contact with the line.
All this with a semi conscious boy tethered to him.
That entire Thai rescue operation was beyond miraculous.
@@Coffeeguyzz I remember when I was happening I thought there was no possibility they'd get all of those kids out safely. It's by far the most incredible rescue operation in recorded history
Looks like a breakdown dive to me. 1st dive of the course in shallow water; max 5m so you can evaluate the students. You can also see you have the instructor + camera man, so I would expect afterwards to have a detailed video debrief and touch on all the points which can be improved.
I love learning so much from you guys, never know I may have to dive one day so handy to get a bit of knowledge 👍
For me it taught me not to Panic .
I am 70 still diving i have 2 kirby Morgan plus i live in The Philippines i started Diving at 26
I was trained at Diving Chamber in St Louis Mo
I am back from vacation and it’s time to catch up to my favorite dive crew ! Dive talk rebreather club where you at !
Just a beginner OW diver myself but I find cave diving and the training interesting. Very educational
This actually looked like a lot of fun. Like to see your comments on the stress tests navy seals go through during their training. Are those realistic, no not really but they get your comfortable if something happens.
In my book, once you are passed the initial training, when it comes to life-saving skills you do not want to simply train for realistic situations but for the worse. And then when something happened, you can handle it without a problem.
Something I've always wondered, with the recent advent of JANUS could we see consumer grade devices for the wireless communication of speech for divers?
and do you guys think there''d be a market for something like that?
The instructor turning off your air at random in a controlled environment on your inhale or exhale, would allow to feel the initial shock of "hey that thing you've been doing your whole life, yeah you can't do that now". It teaches you how to stay calm and handle the situation. This is an important lesion to learn before it happens in real life at any depth, let alone 300+ feet below the surface in a cave.
Omg the woody and Gus mug 😂 the “woody collection.” Octopuses are real shirt. You guys crack me up
Interesting video. Train hard to dive easily!! Well done guys as always nice to watch your videos!!
Im not a diver, i cant even swim, but i was a volunteer firefighter for 7 years. Training is important, try to train as close to perfect as possable, then if an emergancy happens, if its not perfect you have a better chance of surviving. Plus practicing skills poorly or too relaxed leads to proforming skills poorly or incorectly. Great video guys thankyou for being real about things.
Looks like a great confined space primer or workshop. Practicing emergency procedures under stressful conditions in open water with close supervision. I would sign up for this!
Just went n checked out all your guys merch and just wanna say.. Wow! Yall even got scrunchies! Impressed! I adore your channel guys - sending love from Canada.
Awe thank you! I hope you picked up some Merch to stay warm up there in Canada!
Thanks boys always look forward to your content
I think this kind of stress testing and experience is a good way to do it - simulate the stress for the students but in a safe location with an instructor nearby. Given the fact this was videoed, this seems like its a GUE class (they do that - practice video it and debrief after) and I know of some Tech 1 instructors that require a 15 minute deco with no mask (which might be ok in Hawaii, but in Monterey, is a bit uncomfortable...)
26:20 in: Woody, AMEN! Not juse cave diving. ALL divers at ALL levels should practice SOMETHING on EVERY dive! Yes! Great statement! Strongly agree.
As you can see when a situation like this occurs you can lose the mask by mistake, if your buddy accidentally knock it off.... So it's always useful to train without the mask or blindfolded or even blindfolded without a mask!
Very good training if you ask me...
I am not cave trained yet but every dive I practice at least one or more skills I try to always do skills that I have at one point stumbled on or found uncomfortable
I agree with high stress testing to a certain extent as long as it’s done safely and under guidance from experienced instructors.. knowing your own limitations and reactions to certain stresses could be life saving, not just in diving but all action sports or hunting or even weapons training. I’m not a diver but I would appreciate learning under stress like that just so I know all the more about my own reactions and what to work on in the future to remain as cool headed as possible
Are there not any underwater communication systems? Maybe wrist computers that can send a few bits of info. Buttons for "come back/stop/etc"?
I wish I never found DIVE TALK... it gives me anxiety lol. but I keep watching lol
I'm not a diver but I felt like the challenges given during this were much less intense and seemingly more realistic.
Love the shirt Woody was wearing. I'm getting it!
Watching this video I assume this divers are from Europe - potentially Poland, based on equipment (SANTI).
Two points worth mention:
1. this workshop was more about trining divers mind and prepare them to the worst or the worst situations (more likely never happened in real life), to be prepare and do not panic in stressful situations.
2. in Europe there is not much (if any) caves to dive, mostly are mines which I believe they more dangerous than caves (correct me if I'm wrong), so divers need to be prepare not only for typical cave scenarios but as well for much more like collapse exit on the way out etc...
as long as this is not training course and divers have some experience and workshop / exercises are in safe environment, I think is worth to be trained more then less
Have a safe diving guys !
I would take a class like that, I'm an open water diver, and I think one can never be too prepared, so yes, I would take this course in a heartbeat..
Question- why is it better to touch the top of the cave than the bottom (especially if already silted out)? I would think it'd be the opposite.
Great video! Always stoked to see a new Dive Talk.
Because there’s less silt in the ceiling than the bottom.
@@DIVETALK That makes sense. I guess I just figured when you're already silted it wouldn't matter, but making the issue worse isn't smart I guess lol
Great video. I think we should know what the main purpose of the drill was. We can’t assume this was training uncertified divers. Probably a more experienced diver was training certified divers how to handle stressful situations regardless whether they could happen in real dives. If you frequently train under more demanding conditions and learn how to act properly, you develop good skills (habits) that make you a safer diver. We should encourage people to practice skills more often to minimize the human error. Gus an Woody’s comments were awesome, good job.
Woody came in with a strong argument and framing right from the start
Damn, that trim/buoyancy was hard to watch for cave certified divers.
I think this was some quality training. 👌🏽 The bubbles sign was cute. But I love learning all the diving sign I think this guy was a lot better than the other instructor. That guy was a power hungry, psychologicaly torturous sociopath!!
The title sound's like an underwater nightmare
I was really expecting Gus to make a joke, when Woody mentioned about the importance of taking a knife, about thrusting it through his heart in the event of being ‘trapped’!
Great video react guys. And I know exactly who you’re referring to with not keeping victim in front of rescuer. 😁
The saying they had when I was in the army was, “Train hard, fight easy” I feel like this could be applied to this type of dive training too.
If you are prepared for the absolute worst case and more, then any normal problem will be easy to respond too.
Lol at the "Donald Cerrone School of Cave Diving "
For me it looks like Zakrzówek old query in Krakow/Poland. If I'm right then it is for sure open water and this platform is at 6m and they are doing those exercises between 4-9m based on my experience in this place.
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. I hope you see this, I saw you yesterday November the 14 on a dive trip to pompano you walked off the boat with an amazing rebreather I a very interested in a rebreather but since I am 11 I need a little more training until I could get one. But just thought I should let you know. :)
Hi Nathan! I wish you would’ve said Hi I would’ve loved meeting you and I hope you continue to dive and improve and in a few years you’ll also be diving an amazing rebreather!
“Anything that an instructor does that outside an agency’s standards, it not within that agency’s standards”
Yes, that checks out
Is there a website or somewhere that divers can go when making their dive plan to see if the cave they are planning on diving is silted out at whatever depth or date that it was either done or seen so you can change dive location? Even a weather proof book/board on site for divers to warn each other about it?
Several actually. I find the various Facebook groups very useful with people providing up to date visibility reports.
You know I gotta like and comment! Seriously though, love you guys! You have both inspired my wife and I to get open water certified!
Congrats!
5:24 in: Gus, is it a cave-specific skill to teach divers to just grab their buddies reg and rip it out of their mouth, unsuspectingly, in a no-vis situation? This is something I have never heard of before. I don’t know about cave training, but I’ve never taught this (mind you, I’m not yet cave certified, which is why I’m asking). I teach long hose use for all courses, basic and up (exceptions would be specific-use regulator setups), and teach hand signals for out of air, where the donor donates his primary to the recipient, and touch signals for no-vis situations. Is it taught in cave courses to just grab it and pull it out for yourself? What if your buddy was mid-inhale when you grab it?
I wasn't expecting my cave instructor to try to take one of my fins during a lost line drill. She had to slap my hand to make me let go of it.😆
I remember seeing that Worse Instructor video and then I saw MrBAllen's video about answering questions and he mentioned that as a Navy SEAL test/training they had to get attacked like that in try to stand it for 20 mins. He said he failed it so many times because he'd panic. Then he finally passed when he was determined to do it and drown... So I guess it does happen in some places... I don't think I could handle it hahah
My Dad gave me my first dive knife at 14 yrs old. Was so proud of myself for being responsible enough to have a 'real' knife.
In my PSAI cave training my mask was removed gently but not ripped off. Of course switching to a backup mask was a priority.
I’m not a diver but I would think it would be important to see how you react to such a situation. It would be awful to find yourself in that situation inside a cave and discover that you would freak out not be able to handle it and also possibly put others lives in danger.
Perhaps they should introduce head-on collisions at 40 mph into our driving tests so we know what to do if it happens in future!😜
You guys Rock!!! I'm huge fan!!! Watching all your videos. I am a drone pilot in the sky's and you guys are the real deal under water. I love how you guys are regulating your hobby yourselves and teaching the safety aspect. We do the same but unfortunately with Amazon wanting to use drones it put a spotlight on us with the government. With ppl like you guys I think your hobby can go a long way and I would love to take a couple open water classes. Cave dives are for the bad asses and that's not me 😁
@8:34 I think here the instructor is telling Diver 1 to point towards exit so as not to lose reference of the direction of exit :)
However, I also remember my instructor trying to knock the line out of my hands, unfortunately with success. I would hope that that would be the last time ever that it happens - in training.
For NAUI cave 1 I had to do the no vis line drill with my mask off and then with the blindfold on.
What if you are a group of divers in a cave with multiple ways and it´s dark but there´s a guiding rope to follow. One of the divers loosing air fast for some reson and the diver follows the rope to get to the surface but some how manages to get tangled in the rope. The air is soon gone and the other divers are in another section of the cave but will probably not make it out unless they are following the rope. What should the tangled diver do? Cut the rope or just accept it and wait?
They should all be exiting together so they help each other but you can’t just wait and drown so if somehow the diver is separated then cut the line, do a quick repair and get out of there!
@@DIVETALK Thank you for taking the time to answer, I really appreciate it.