I think this is one of if not the most powerful scene I've ever seen in a movie. I feel that in Kichijiro we can see the struggle of all humanity, in him we see the immense weight and beauty of our own failures
Our failures are not in themselves beautiful. Grace freely given in spite of failure is beautiful- but not the failures themselves. If they were beautiful, they would not be failures.
@@mike0a0whogivesacrap I think that’s part of the point of the movie though. They aren’t good, definitely. But it is only in our brokenness that we see God’s beauty and mercy. The Fall was a bad thing, for sure, but it was ordained. Nothing we do is beyond God’s Divine Will. The entire story of us is just a medium through which God expressed His own Glory. “Love the Christ for He loved the sinner. Love the sinner, for he is you. Without the sinner, what need is there for Redeemer? Without sin, what Grace has forgiveness?” It was in our sin that God persisted in love with us. This is miraculous. Praise Him.
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I love how they manage to add an holy cross at the right corner of the screen, nice deep touch.
Kichijiro is actually a great Christian! We know for a fact that we are but human beings - we fall and sin. However, God does not condemn us when we fall or sin, He condemns us if we don't get back up and ask for His help. And that's what makes Kichijiro a great Christian: he always got back up and sought for God's help no matter how many times and no matter how grave he has fallen into sin.
No it doesnt. I believe this movie shows whats wrong with christianity and why it failed with the japanese. They take things to literal, Kichijiro is no exception, he does mischief because he knows with a confession he can clean himself and then he does it again.
He describes his pain not as fear of hellfire but as a pain for having betrayed his friends. Perhaps he does fear punishment but the film shows that initially he is a broken man from the trauma of watching his family be massacred. He uses his religion to escape the consequences and pain of his actions. Here however at this end of his journey through life he has put himself back together (as best he can) but carries the pain of what he has done. He acknowledges the evil he has committed and asks for forgiveness. He seeks connection and acknowledgement that he truly feels ashamed of what he done. And as both a priest and human being Rodriguez beautifully forgives him. Finally at the very end when he is caught with the icon of Christ which was likely given to him by Rodriguez he chooses to accept being executed. His old version would've saved himself and maybe even lied that Rodriguez gave it to him if he didn't. As a reformed man fighting his devils now he accepts his end with grace. Showing spiritual strength and human goodness. I am an atheist and I can acknowledge all of this. This film is so multi dimensional as was the book and if anyone's take away is that "Japanese could never be true Christians" or that "the missionaries are actually insidious" or some other drivel you are missing the point entirely. It's a deeply human story about the trappings of faith and spirituality but also its beauty and deep connection to the nature of people.
It was so painful to watch this movie the first time. Because of all the emotions and sort of frustrations that came with it. But now I keep on coming back to this movie countless times. What an inspiring masterpiece this is..
very powerful scene... sometimes the receivers of the messenger understand it more than the preachers and Kichijiro is one of them who understands the priesthood more than Rodriguez... he saw in the priest who and what he is and could be even after “turning from the faith”... an indelible reality of trust in the mercy of God who is greater than our pride and shortcomings
That is the essence of Faith. This is what it means to be a Christian. To love one another, to sacrifice everything to save even a single soul from suffering and torment. Even if you must carry your faith alone in your heart, and pray alone in the dark place of your home with the shutters closed and the doors barred. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. People take so much pride in being a Christian, that to publicly deny Christ is a humiliation in their eyes. But even Peter was told by Jesus he would deny Christ three times before the cock crowed. Peter was so proud he told Jesus he would never do such a thing. His faith was absolute. The angry mob came to Peter and asked if he knew Jesus. He grew afraid and denied him three times. Jesus did not hold the act against him, Peters faith was not weak, nor did he not believe. Jesus did not hold the act against him or tell him he risked his soul. It was all part of the will of God, for God loves his children first and foremost. If we must deny Christ on the street corner, and pray in secret in the home and in the tombs and catacombs, then that is simply the Cross we have been given to carry.
@@thomashenry4798 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven." Your interpretation simply doesn't work. It was definitely considered a bad thing for Peter to deny Christ. The reason Christ didn't threaten Peter with hell, is because Peter is not saved because of righteous actions, but because of his faith in Jesus. Same goes for Rodriguez in Silence. By snuffling out the Christian movement, he made life tough for the Kakure Kirishitan for centuries to come. It's not considered a good thing, but he is still forgiven. Christ gave the Great Commission when He rose, and that we to let God be known to all people. Obviously by denying Christ you're working against the Great Commission.
@@michaelmiky11 Except he didn't actually deny Christ if you watched the ending, he kept the faith as well, and as far as I can tell, it's the inside that matters, not the outside.
Once a priest, always a priest. The sacramental powers of a priest lie not in the merits of the person of the priest but only in the infinite grace of God. That is why no errors or wrongdoings of a priest, no matter how grievous or despair they are, can limit the love and mercy of God flowing through the sacraments.
"Go to your confessor; open your heart to him; display to him all the recesses of your soul; take the advice that he will give you with the utmost humility and simplicity. For God, Who has an infinite love for obedience, frequently renders profitable the counsels we take from others, but especially from those who are the guides of our souls." - Saint Francis de Sales
I just saw this movie for the first time. I had to try and find this scene online. This is the only one I found. I cannot tell you how absolutely powerful this scene is. Every time I watch it, I’m brought to tears.
Kichijiro on his knees with his eyes opened depicts he's in fear, not knowing whether Rodriguez will hear his confession as a priest or send him away and even possibly report him to the inquisitors. Him calling Rodriguez 'Padre' was an act of great courage showing that he's chosen God once again.
I saw this movie ten times and cried every single time. Andrew Garfield deserves to win the Oscar for this portrayal of Padre Rodrigues. I felt so deeply moved I started going on Ignatian Spiritual Retreats and doing the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola and continue to do them. I can never thank Martin Scorsese and Andrew Garfield enough for making this Masterpiece! I read the book also and it is a bit different than the movie at times. It’s a great challenge to Christians to remain faithful to the end. I repeatedly questioned myself, “What would I do in this situation?” “What have I done for Christ? What am I doing for Christ? What will I do for Christ?”
The scene moved me in such a way that I meditated on it for a long time. God was never absent and yes I will say silence can drive anyone mad but God was always there. Rodrigues came to admire what he thought was his enemy and thats the teaching of redemption. Though he thought he was fallen Kichijiro believes otherwise which brings together the true nature behind the Gospel. Love.
@@MixSonaProductions More important correction: His wife put the cross in his hand before burial. Proves that not only did he keep it, but he was preaching
“Katallage” is the Greek word used to describe “a catalyst for coming back from estrangement,” “reconciliation.” When William Tyndale was translating the Bible, he needed a word that best conveyed that, so he created the word Atonement, or at-one-ment. “It is not possible for you to sink lower than the infinite light of Christ’s Atonement shines.” -Jeffrey R. Holland.
“When you suffer I suffer. To the end I am close to you.” -Shusaku Endo -Silence No matter what you’re going through I hope you know you’re not alone, we all love you, don’t pay attention to what the voices in your head say, what the bigots who use God as an excuse to hate say, I love you friend.
In the book there are many beginning and end notes quotations from real historical documents that on the surface seem insignificant and mere data, but if you read all the historical accounts quoted you will see that there were secret Christians preaching and teaching under the very noses of the Japanese government and the Gospel was spreading in an Underground Church thru these men.
One could argue Rodriguez has lost it and is hear auditory hallucinations. I mean the men and women who died in vain which in the end just was a stroke to his ego... he didn't learn anything from his experience but self preservation.
Hence the depth, beauty and mystery of this faith. One can know, study, teach and even give all for the propositions - but salvation by grace and mercy. The silence of the lamb as we continue babble and stumble. This is transcendent.
As an ex-Christian turned agnostic turned Zen Buddhist, as tragic as it is, it feels like God's silence in this scene could be a laughtrack if we could hear it.
Let people believe what they want to believe. It's their own spirit and their own faith. Spiritualism isn't about suggesting what people should believe in. It's about knowing what and who you are.
“I suffered beside you, I was never silent”. That legit brought me to tears the first time I saw this movie.
I think this is one of if not the most powerful scene I've ever seen in a movie. I feel that in Kichijiro we can see the struggle of all humanity, in him we see the immense weight and beauty of our own failures
Our failures are not in themselves beautiful. Grace freely given in spite of failure is beautiful- but not the failures themselves. If they were beautiful, they would not be failures.
@@mike0a0whogivesacrap I think that’s part of the point of the movie though. They aren’t good, definitely. But it is only in our brokenness that we see God’s beauty and mercy. The Fall was a bad thing, for sure, but it was ordained. Nothing we do is beyond God’s Divine Will. The entire story of us is just a medium through which God expressed His own Glory. “Love the Christ for He loved the sinner. Love the sinner, for he is you. Without the sinner, what need is there for Redeemer? Without sin, what Grace has forgiveness?” It was in our sin that God persisted in love with us. This is miraculous. Praise Him.
I love how they manage to add an holy cross at the right corner of the screen, nice deep touch.
The robe on it even have a Christ-like image hanging on a Cross
Kichijiro is actually a great Christian!
We know for a fact that we are but human beings - we fall and sin. However, God does not condemn us when we fall or sin, He condemns us if we don't get back up and ask for His help.
And that's what makes Kichijiro a great Christian: he always got back up and sought for God's help no matter how many times and no matter how grave he has fallen into sin.
No it doesnt. I believe this movie shows whats wrong with christianity and why it failed with the japanese. They take things to literal, Kichijiro is no exception, he does mischief because he knows with a confession he can clean himself and then he does it again.
Agreed
He describes his pain not as fear of hellfire but as a pain for having betrayed his friends. Perhaps he does fear punishment but the film shows that initially he is a broken man from the trauma of watching his family be massacred. He uses his religion to escape the consequences and pain of his actions. Here however at this end of his journey through life he has put himself back together (as best he can) but carries the pain of what he has done. He acknowledges the evil he has committed and asks for forgiveness. He seeks connection and acknowledgement that he truly feels ashamed of what he done. And as both a priest and human being Rodriguez beautifully forgives him. Finally at the very end when he is caught with the icon of Christ which was likely given to him by Rodriguez he chooses to accept being executed. His old version would've saved himself and maybe even lied that Rodriguez gave it to him if he didn't. As a reformed man fighting his devils now he accepts his end with grace. Showing spiritual strength and human goodness. I am an atheist and I can acknowledge all of this. This film is so multi dimensional as was the book and if anyone's take away is that "Japanese could never be true Christians" or that "the missionaries are actually insidious" or some other drivel you are missing the point entirely. It's a deeply human story about the trappings of faith and spirituality but also its beauty and deep connection to the nature of people.
God isn’t real moron lmao
You sir are a man I could hug right now for this one paragraph
It was so painful to watch this movie the first time. Because of all the emotions and sort of frustrations that came with it.
But now I keep on coming back to this movie countless times. What an inspiring masterpiece this is..
You see that those we consider weak and evil are suffering also.
it was in the silence that i heard your voice
very powerful scene... sometimes the receivers of the messenger understand it more than the preachers and Kichijiro is one of them who understands the priesthood more than Rodriguez... he saw in the priest who and what he is and could be even after “turning from the faith”... an indelible reality of trust in the mercy of God who is greater than our pride and shortcomings
Even after giving up the faith, he still feels a connection between him and Jesus. Truly remarkable
That is the essence of Faith. This is what it means to be a Christian. To love one another, to sacrifice everything to save even a single soul from suffering and torment. Even if you must carry your faith alone in your heart, and pray alone in the dark place of your home with the shutters closed and the doors barred. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.
People take so much pride in being a Christian, that to publicly deny Christ is a humiliation in their eyes. But even Peter was told by Jesus he would deny Christ three times before the cock crowed. Peter was so proud he told Jesus he would never do such a thing. His faith was absolute.
The angry mob came to Peter and asked if he knew Jesus. He grew afraid and denied him three times.
Jesus did not hold the act against him, Peters faith was not weak, nor did he not believe. Jesus did not hold the act against him or tell him he risked his soul. It was all part of the will of God, for God loves his children first and foremost. If we must deny Christ on the street corner, and pray in secret in the home and in the tombs and catacombs, then that is simply the Cross we have been given to carry.
It's implied that he dies a Christian though.
@@thomashenry4798 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven." Your interpretation simply doesn't work. It was definitely considered a bad thing for Peter to deny Christ. The reason Christ didn't threaten Peter with hell, is because Peter is not saved because of righteous actions, but because of his faith in Jesus. Same goes for Rodriguez in Silence. By snuffling out the Christian movement, he made life tough for the Kakure Kirishitan for centuries to come. It's not considered a good thing, but he is still forgiven.
Christ gave the Great Commission when He rose, and that we to let God be known to all people. Obviously by denying Christ you're working against the Great Commission.
@@michaelmiky11 Except he didn't actually deny Christ if you watched the ending, he kept the faith as well, and as far as I can tell, it's the inside that matters, not the outside.
@@azazel166 The great commission is literally about the outside.
Once a priest, always a priest. The sacramental powers of a priest lie not in the merits of the person of the priest but only in the infinite grace of God. That is why no errors or wrongdoings of a priest, no matter how grievous or despair they are, can limit the love and mercy of God flowing through the sacraments.
"Go to your confessor; open your heart to him; display to him all the recesses of your soul; take the advice that he will give you with the utmost humility and simplicity. For God, Who has an infinite love for obedience, frequently renders profitable the counsels we take from others, but especially from those who are the guides of our souls."
- Saint Francis de Sales
Ngl this movie is kinda why im christian now
Same
The true god is the Demiurge
@@mattheww797silence, neo-Gnostic
It’s my favorite Christian movie apart from Passion of the Christ. But it’s my favorite Christian movie not regarding Jesus’s biblical story.
I just saw this movie for the first time. I had to try and find this scene online. This is the only one I found. I cannot tell you how absolutely powerful this scene is. Every time I watch it, I’m brought to tears.
Kichijiro on his knees with his eyes opened depicts he's in fear, not knowing whether Rodriguez will hear his confession as a priest or send him away and even possibly report him to the inquisitors. Him calling Rodriguez 'Padre' was an act of great courage showing that he's chosen God once again.
hated these 2 characters at the start, love them by the end. Just something about old friends...
Thank you for uploading this. Such a beautiful scene. When I saw this in the theater it had a profound effect on me.
This movie has a Sith Lord, a Jedi Master and Spiderman
I saw this movie ten times and cried every single time. Andrew Garfield deserves to win the Oscar for this portrayal of Padre Rodrigues. I felt so deeply moved I started going on Ignatian Spiritual Retreats and doing the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola and continue to do them. I can never thank Martin Scorsese and Andrew Garfield enough for making this Masterpiece! I read the book also and it is a bit different than the movie at times. It’s a great challenge to Christians to remain faithful to the end. I repeatedly questioned myself, “What would I do in this situation?” “What have I done for Christ? What am I doing for Christ? What will I do for Christ?”
thank you for making this downloadable.
i appreciate it. pbwya.
The scene moved me in such a way that I meditated on it for a long time. God was never absent and yes I will say silence can drive anyone mad but God was always there. Rodrigues came to admire what he thought was his enemy and thats the teaching of redemption. Though he thought he was fallen Kichijiro believes otherwise which brings together the true nature behind the Gospel. Love.
This is an "internal motion" of God. I've experienced many, and I desire you also feel it.
Amazing how this scene portrays such "internal motion" of God.. Just amazing.
I would very much prefer you not think about my internal motions
This scene alone is an answer to the question : "Did Okada San'emon die a Christian ?"
He held his cross during cremation as a Buddhist
@@MixSonaProductions
More important correction:
His wife put the cross in his hand before burial.
Proves that not only did he keep it, but he was preaching
This movie really should have ended at this scene! Perfect ending and lines to end it off on. ❤🎉❤
Why am I loved this movie, that ending make me cry, It's how terrible Japanese Christians was executed by Japanese Buddhist/Shinto
Kichijiro is in this movie to teach Rodrigues how forgiving God is to us.
“Katallage” is the Greek word used to describe “a catalyst for coming back from estrangement,” “reconciliation.”
When William Tyndale was translating the Bible, he needed a word that best conveyed that, so he created the word Atonement, or at-one-ment.
“It is not possible for you to sink lower than the infinite light of Christ’s Atonement shines.” -Jeffrey R. Holland.
If Kichijiro had never denied Jesus then the faith of Rodrigues would never have been restored.
“When you suffer I suffer. To the end I am close to you.”
-Shusaku Endo -Silence
No matter what you’re going through I hope you know you’re not alone, we all love you, don’t pay attention to what the voices in your head say, what the bigots who use God as an excuse to hate say, I love you friend.
When he said I know😭😭😭😭
In the book there are many beginning and end notes quotations from real historical documents that on the surface seem insignificant and mere data, but if you read all the historical accounts quoted you will see that there were secret Christians preaching and teaching under the very noses of the Japanese government and the Gospel was spreading in an Underground Church thru these men.
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One could argue Rodriguez has lost it and is hear auditory hallucinations. I mean the men and women who died in vain which in the end just was a stroke to his ego... he didn't learn anything from his experience but self preservation.
Hence the depth, beauty and mystery of this faith. One can know, study, teach and even give all for the propositions - but salvation by grace and mercy. The silence of the lamb as we continue babble and stumble. This is transcendent.
As an ex-Christian turned agnostic turned Zen Buddhist, as tragic as it is, it feels like God's silence in this scene could be a laughtrack if we could hear it.
No not at all?
I find it deeply beautiful and consoling
Catholicism is wrong! Read the bible! Example: Idols Jesus Christ is Lord!!!!!!!!!! Turn to Jesus Christ today!!!!!!!!!!
Let people believe what they want to believe. It's their own spirit and their own faith. Spiritualism isn't about suggesting what people should believe in. It's about knowing what and who you are.
@Olaf Being Protestant, doesn’t save you. Following the Bible does, Putting Faith, Trust and Obedience in God!
@@kyle45887 I did not stop them, I let them know
@Olaf Also people chosen by God wrote the Bible, Who were inspired by the Holy Spirit
@Níðhöggr not the catholic church?