Who were the first Victims of the Titanic disaster?
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- In this video we dive into the story of the Titanic and try to figure out who were the first victims of the Titanic disaster.
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I always thought how selfless the entire crew was, including the musicians. But delaying the sinking to keeping the lights on. All are hero's.
YESSS A LEGO Titanic Livestream would be cool!!!
I don’t he’s be able to finish it in one day
@@revelationssoloprojectdisc8489 he can try
Hey, ahoy there again, Sam!
I agree that the men in the boiler rooms were the biggest heroes of the disaster. They had to have realized that to stay so far down in the ship meant there was an excellent chance of their dying and yet they chose to stay and do what they could. May their sacrifice never be forgotten.
As for the Lego Titanic model, I say go for it!
ENGINNERS TOO
@@ilikeships1704 I watched a documentary about the heroic efforts of the electrical engineers who performed miracle after miracle to keep the lights on till almost the very end. And a mystery they discussed, who was correcting the list of the ship? A group of unremembered men were constantly trimming the ship right to the end.
Really annoys me that, we know all about Guggenheim and the Countess and Astor and the very young Mrs Astor. Which, yes, all of them have stories. But I do wish history would remember the names of every one of those men who KNEW they were going to die but stayed in place doing all they could to keep Titanic afloat….so that Astor, Guggenheim and co could die or be rescued in a much more opulent manner.
And it was a sacrifice. They did everything they could to buy time for the Titanic's passengers. Remember that the next time you take a cruise, folks. There is a team down below, working to run the ship and seeing to it's safe operation. You'll rarely see them topside.
@@RW4X4X3006 You forget all the people who have gone missing. Possibly murdered by some cruise ship employees. The cover-ups that cruise lines have committed.
RIP Harvey and Shepherd, heroes to the end 🌷 I don't understand why they're not more well known, surely they should be celebrated as much as the likes of Margaret Brown or Thomas Andrews?
I agree
They would be if they were of a higher social class. Elitism is alive as much now as it was then.
@@sl2547 I mean not really this happened a lifetime ago no one from this ship is alive and well today if anything u blame the ppl who got off and didn't tell their story not some fictional elitism
@@sl2547 Anyone who is a student of the disaster knows their names. Walter Lord's book "A Night To Remember" immortalized their sacrifice. "Elitism" has nothing to do with it. Their story did not come out until well after the disaster, while the stories of many survivors were available when the Carpathia brought the survivors into New York and before the crowds of reporters.
They were simply two among many.
@@martinpascoe5904 Yes she is. Not only for what she did that night, but she continued to support victims of the Titanic for the rest of her life, as well as be deeply involved in other philanthropic work.
Why do you disagree?
Just to clarify: 1500 people were not trapped in the ship when it sank. They were aboard the ship. Many of them simply floated away after the ship sank. They died a few minutes later from hypothermia due to the water being 28 degrees F.
Oh ah you really told him 😂 🤡
I may not comment much but i've seen your videos on titanic, Olympic as well as other ships, especially the queen mary. It was amazing seeing your channel jump from 5K to over 50K this year. And then the videos with your sister was funny and cool. Keep up the good work, it's great to see someone as enthused as me about the Titanic.
The men who worked in those boiler rooms were phenomenal! True heroes all. May Harvey and Shepherd R.I.P.
the men of the engine room we're Also Heroes as well) who kept the power on for as long as possible
I always thought it was the postal workers in post room that died first since they were last scene, fairly early on in the sinking, trying to get as much mail away from the water as possible.
I don't know what happened but I'd assume dragging bags of mail out of the cargo holds while the compartment slowly filled up wouldn't cause them to drown, unless something really unfortunate happened. The water would've had to gush in really fast to overwhelm them, which it didn't
@@HRHooChicken I was thinking more along the lines of them getting trapped by the water blocking off entrance. But then I don't entirely know the layout of the mail hold.
@@robertdefoe2396 Maybe, who knows. IMO I don't think that would've happened but I'm just guessing
They abandoned the mail room when it became apparent they couldn't save any mail. They worked their best, but eventually were unable to move the mailbags any further up. They actually sat on the steps of a ladder with a couple of passengers, discussing the situation as they watched the bags floating in the deck below. They were also seen on the Boat Deck, later on.
He can’t express how good historic travels is at explaining parts of the disaster. The fact is that Sam barely Evan uses pictures or diagrams to explain because he is so good without them. I take my hat off to you sam. Great work
Those who are delaying the sinking has got to have recognition other than the more famous passengers and crew (I feel that the wireless operators needs more love and attention too. Yes I've watched The Last Signals). I've known of their exploits from the documentary Saving the Titanic. Really great since it focuses on the crew down at the boiler rooms and engine room; they are the stars and among the heroes.
respect to these people who risked their lifes to delay the sinking
“LIVES”!
@@pikachu6031 don’t be mean
@@x4rii Correcting basic spelling mistakes is NOT mean! It’s something an Adult should know anyway, and if not, then they’ve learned something, haven’t they!
@@pikachu6031 what your trying to do is not really mean but with the way your coming off with it dose come off as mean and also many people including myself make basic spelling errors all the time it’s a pretty normal thing
@@HTTYDFAN4092 What a sad indictment on the education system and the attitude of todays generation! To admit you couldn’t spell to save your life and then to somehow “Normalise” it, I find utterly baffling and abhorrent! No wonder youth unemployment is so high. When someone like a potential Employer looks through CV’s, for candidates to invite for interview, all the ones with Grammatical errors and Spelling Mistakes get thrown out, in preference for the ones that Don’t! Just have a think about that!!
I used to be OBSESSED with early 20th century ocean liners when I was a kid - there was even a point I had the entire floor plan of the Titanic memorized. I grew out of it though but am now experiencing a resurgence since I recently rewatched Titanic and am hyped for the Lego set. Just found your channel and it's amazing! Love your content!
Get the set! It'd be interesting to see you do a detailed breakdown on the accuracy of it, the exterior and interior
This is an awesome community!
Marconi wireless operator, Harold Bride survived that night, but what about his friend, Jack Phillips? What happened to him after he left the Marconi wireless room? Could you do a video about Titanic's wireless operator, Jack Phillips and what happened to him after he and Harold Bride were separated?
Yes I would like to talk about this more
I think he got crushed by a collapsible lifeboat
Pretty sure he already did
He was pulled out of the water, but the exposure to the cold was too much for him and before the night was over, Phillips was dead. As I recall, his body was never recovered.
@@taraswertelecki3786 Exactly. Anybody can google this information. It's just easier to ask questions than to do the actual work to find out.
That documentary Saving the Titanic brings me to tears every time. So well done.
I have a suggestion for a video for you. When I was in high school, I had to do a paper on a historical event and how that event changed the world. I picked the Titanic for my event and while I was researching for the paper, I was surprised to learn that just how much radio law was affected by the Titanic’s sinking. I guess it really peaked my interest because I was a fairly active ham radio operator at the time (still licensed currently, but I’m not active, not enough time in the day anymore), and because I was already interested in the Titanic. Anyway, thought it might make an interesting video in the future. Love your content, keep up the good work!
I've wondered about this and ended at the same conclusion although it seems bizarre that so much of the ship could be flooded without anyone dying up to that point. On a related note, I've also wondered if the sinking could have been delayed had Barrett not closed the coal bunker door and instead they had attempted to pump the compartment's flooding as a whole instead of allowing the water to build up until the door (presumably) failed. I seem to remember that they had things reasonably stable until that point. Particularly as the water coming into the bunker was described as having the nature of that from an ordinary firehose- which should have been controllable until the flooding elsewhere made things worse.
This isn't to suggest that it wasn't entirely reasonable or natural for Barrett to close the bunker door in response to seeing water entering there.
I mean, I know the Cameron movie is historically not accurate in many places, but it does imply the possibility that people might have died in the cargo section immediately after impact. In the movie, the car where Jack and Kate had sex shortly before the ship struck the ice berg was destroyed in the initial moments of the disaster. Jack, Kate, and the two guys who were searching for them and had been in the cargo area would have died if the berg had been struck half an hour earlier. I don't know if these sections were accessible, as they are presented to be in the movie, but if they were then we can't rule out that someone died down there.
As someone terribly afraid of drowning or otherwise suffocating to death, the engineers amaze me. How brave they were! To face that fate in order to keep the electricity going and save others is the best of human nature. As the daughter of a merchant marine engineer much like these men, I'm so proud of them and so glad my father never faced a similar fate.
As for the Lego model, if you can afford it then I say go for it! That would be so cool to see in future videos.
They were amazing!
My dad worked his way up to become a ships captain and I remember hearing about captains going down with their ship
And being horrified.
Luckily like your father, he’s never been in that situation and these days hopefully isn’t needed
There is another group of crewmembers who died early in the night. This is not normally mentioned too heavily but at some point one of the officers, (Lightoller I believe) sent the ships master-at-arms below with some of his sailors to open two of the heavy gangway doors some decks below to possibly load lifeboats from there closer to the water than from the davits. He left with his crew and was never seen or heard from again. The story goes that "apparently" they got caught below in some sudden inrush of water and they all died. In modern times, one of the explorations of the Titanic found that the gangway doors WERE found to be open. So, apparently, the Master-at-arms and his crew DID manage to do their job but died somewhere along the way afterwards. This story is not talked about much but I have seen it mentioned a few times. This, then, would have been some of those who died early in the night. A slight problem with trying to determine who died when is that some of the more recent movies have shown dramatic scenes of people staying (and drowning) in their cabins. So many of these portrayals, while dramatic, don't seem to have any reality to them aside from trying to make a dynamic point. (Titanic 1997) showed this several times for a dramatic effect and truly it was more gruesome than helpful. (Example: ) The Straus's lying in their flooding bedroom holding each other tightly is pure idiocy. They were last seen, first along the boat deck railing and finally, to anybody's notice, they were seen huddled inboard by one of the bulkheads. They were never seen returning to their cabins. Another phony thing was the dead body of a young woman in a flimsy nightgown floating near the ceiling of the First Class Lounge. This kind of thing is, to me, cheap and a bit creepy and should not have been included in the movie.
I'd say, buy the Lego Titanic if you want to! I don't think you should feel obligated to make videos on it, just if you want to
Make videos so not only we can see, but you can write it off as a business expense! Win-win
Interesting topic that I've never thought about. Thanks for a great video that asks and answers that question. And for bringing more light to the men in the boiler rooms. I totally agree with you - the engineers, firemen, and others who sacrificed their lives trying to keep the ship afloat as long as possible (and in Harvey's case, to attempt to rescue a fallen comrade) are the most heroic and inspiring people to me of the Titanic disaster.
I don't think I'll be purchasing the Lego Titanic, myself. So I'd absolutely love to see someone showing it off, and there's nobody I'd rather see doing so than you! Please - do it! :-)
It would be awesome seeing you do livestreams or a dedicated video series on building the Lego Titanic!
I can recommend to watch the documentary "Saving the Titanic". It portraits the events that happened in the boiler/engine rooms during the sinking.
What if instead of breaching water tight bulkheads no.1-6 it would have breached no. 3-8, 4-9 or 5-10, how would it have sunk and would they have had more time?
There’s already a video by Sam about what would have happened if the ship had sunk backwards.
The ship would have sunk, but instead of going down bow first then splitting into four pieces, Titanic would have lost all electrical power then capsized. And in any case, she would have sunk far faster and quite likely very few people would have survived. A capsizing ship makes launching the lifeboats impossible, and the lethal cold of the waters where she sank killed people within minutes. In an ironic way, the collision and sinking scenario gave the crew and passengers more time than the others.
I'm seeing that LEGO Titanic with envy, it's to expensive for me right now, but I would love to watch a Livestream of it.
I still think Lego is for kids. Spend you more on a more detailed accurate model like Trumpeter or similar
I remember watching a documentary from the 90's or late 80's while being a very young kid talking about how the mailmen were the first know people to die on the ship because they got trapped while trying to save the mail. It's funny how opinions differ from time to time
Hey Sam, as a fellow Titanic historian (thanks to you) I completely think you should get the new Lego Titanic, maybe even build it on stream, which would be fun. My main concern however, is the price at $650.
I still think that Lego is for kids. Spend your money on a more detailed accurate model like Trumpeter or similar
That was a touching tribute to those poor guys! Well done to you for that !! :)
Hey, have you ever considered doing a Titanic (1997) movie or even A Night to Remember watch along? Unedited for Patreon and an edited version for TH-cam? I'd love to hear/see your commentary throughout the film. What James Cameron or Ray Ward Baker did right/wrong in a historical sense.
Time comes when it seems fit. Oddly enough, my brother and I were just talking about the Lego Titanic. It would be a great build. Related to that, back in the 90's I worked for Toys R Us, and the manager asked me to build one of the Titanic 3-D puzzle kits so it could be used as a display.
I've watched about a dozen of these videos in a row. Fascinating stuff, thank you.
This was such a very well edited and expertly presented video. I already saw it once and i just ended up watching it again today accidentally because you have such a great talent at wrapping our attention. GREAT WORK!
Great video, Sam. I am glad that you researched the issue of TITANIC'S first heroes/victims. For years, I heard that the mailroom staff died first; while trying to move the mail bags. Now, I see that this information was wrong. Thanks for setting us straight.😄
I’m glad you finally got it! I’ve been a Lego + Titanic enthusiast since I was young and I always wanted Lego to make a Titanic set and I was so happy when they finally did! I can’t afford it right now, but hopefully in the future I will get this set :D
Always wanted to know this
Same
Thank you for the video. At first, I was thinking they knew they were going to die whether they were topside or not, but then hearing you explain how many may have thought they had a chance at survival after the actual sinking makes sense and changed my mind. The entire crew was brave, but these men had to be the most brave and selfless.
It’s stories like this that remind me how amazing men actually are.
When faced with death those men chose to meet their fate just for the *chance* *to* *try* to spare lives.
My mind went back to your earlier videos where I’d give minor corrections from obscure sources. Yet I think this is the first video that talks about this specific topic, so I will probably direct others to this video when it is asked. Yet at the same time I feel as though I nitpicked everything. This video is flawless.
And now I understand what an access hatch is; for some reason, the closest I had to a mental image was the “doorframe” of the watertight doors.
And that thumbnail is amazing to look at. I think I saw it on DeviantArt some time ago, and seeing it again is wonderful.
On a final note, is it possible that down the line that a video could be done on _Titanic_ survivors who ultimately met their fates in subsequent shipwrecks? I don’t remember anyone doing something like this in video format, and it would give perspective that, despite surviving the _Titanic_ disaster, some of the survivors would succumb to early deaths anyway, sometimes in ways even _more_ tragic than the _Titanic._
With regards,
Daniel
Is there a Part2? They were heroes. I agree. Lego Titanic? Now I've seen everything. Thanks for sharing and stay safe.
These videos are truly superb. You explain everything with such clarity. Keep up the good work!
Most of those firemen were hero’s in sacrificing there live to keep power and light on the sinking Titanic
They should be remembered
Thanks for this video
Hi Sam I've binge watched your videos all day today. I never tire of hearing about the titanic. I've watched documentary after documentary about it and visited the museum in Belfast. Keep up the good work!
Good video, very clearly explained Sam. I've always found the Jonathan Shepherd story very sad. I couldn't remember the name of the man who went back for him, but I'll remember Herbert Harvey from now on too. RIP to both heroes.
That was a really interesting video, Sam. I never heard of the second man before but I have of Jonathan Shepherd. His story was a tragic one and to hear about how he lost his life was truly heartbreaking, and I bet it must’ve been the same for his family.
0:46 I’m glad you finally got it! I’ve been a Lego + Titanic enthusiast since I was young and I always wanted Lego to make a Titanic set and I was so happy when they finally did! I can’t afford it right now, but hopefully in the future I will get this set :D
Another top notch watch from Sam. Such a great story of bravery.......
A lego Titanic model kit!!
We all need one of these!
The titanic Lego kit is badass, you absolutely should get it
That's a good story. I'm a new sub. Always have liked the titanic and stories about it and stories about the people. You do a great job in telling the stories and like this one how many people sacrificed their lives to keep the ship afloat just a little longer so more people had time to get off and survive. R.I.P. to those people that did all they could to help all those people who ended up surviving.
Your videos are great to watch and well researched i love to watch well done and thanks for your time
I just watched a dramatisation of this yesterday. It showed all of that happening, the guy breaking his leg, the other guy going back for him just as the water rushed in, and Barratt just climbing up the ladder at the last minute. I don't know how true this part is but in the film Barratt had been made to work two double shifts for fighting. The officer who made him do it ended up giving him a letter to give to his son coz he knew he wasn't getting off the ship. Barratt survived but it didn't show you how he survived. There was another guy, am Irish one who they called Paddy, and he survived too, or at least in the film but I imagine they kept it true to life because they showed photos and the names of the ones who didn't make it at the end of just as the credits rolled. I watched it on here, it was called The forgotten Heroes Of Titanic or something like that.
Actually, the first victims of the Titanic disaster were five mail clerks trying to drag mail up from the mailroom. They got caught in the intense flooding and rapidly drowned as the mailroom was one of the few occupied sections of the ship low enough and forward enough to take on massive quantities of water quickly during the early stages of the sinking.
They died only about 10-15 minutes after Titanic struck the iceberg.
I dont think so, as I said in the video even though the flooding in the mail room was rapid, it didnt come in quick enough that it would trap the mail clerks in that room. This question was discussed in detail by the team who wrote the book On A Sea of Glass. They also recovered several bodies of people who worked in the mail room. So if they were in that room when it flooded and got trapped in it. How would there bodies have been recovered after the ship sank?
I love this i tried to look it up so many times after watching ur videos
Sam, fair winds and following seas. You do a wonderful job.
Great video as always. I've learned a lot, too. R.I.P. to those two men, and to every hero on that ship that fateful night. Also, yes. I'd recommend getting that LEGO Titanic. I think that it would be cool and work well with your channel.
Sam, thank you again, very good documentary.
Sam. That really was a fascinating tale of stoic bravery. As those poor devils tried their hardest to hold back the enormous weight of water trapped in the Boiler Room Number 5 Coal Bunker! Just one, very tiny point, no criticism of your knowledge and accuracy in telling the story of the tragic loss of RMS Titanic, just a point about Titanic Surviver Eva Heart. Although it’s spelled Eva, the actual English pronunciation of her name is actually AY….VER. not Ever! As I say, it’s a small point but, she was extremely well know and popular throughout her life, principally as she was a Titanic Surviver! Who must have given thousands of interviews on both radio and television. So her name was very well known throughout the modern World! Hope that helps you out just a little mate! Best wishes from an avid English 🏴🇬🇧🏴 Fan, and Subscriber!!
"Should I buy the Lego kit" shouldn't even be a question at this point. Hell yes, you absolutely HAVE to buy it! Lol
Excellent video! But we all know, it was those two stewards who were chasing Jack and Rose who were the first to die!
I like this thumbnail, I've never seen that image like that with the first funnel collapsing!
I definitely think you should purchase a LEGO Titanic
And do a build livestream
Your videos are so informative and you are an incredible story teller. I've binged almost all of your content over the course of the last few weeks. It's all magnificent. I would love it if you panned out and did more diverse content like how you covered Mt Vesuvius/Pompeii. I loved that video.
The lego Titanic would look very impressive with your other models
I always enjoy your ship shape presentations!
Another great Titanic video, Thanks!
Since I was young I have always been fascinated by the titanic, I absolutely love your Chanel and the information you share much love
Respect for the crew members who did their best to save lifes
Yes!! Will love vids on the Lego Titanic model!!
Intresting video. Keep it up Sam.
Sam! 😁 I’ve not had the time lately to come and watch your videos so I’m really happy to be back!ive missed ya bro! I love watching your channel grow, it’s a beautiful thing to see. Looks like a wee binge watch is in order here, I’ve got a LOT to catch up on and I can’t wait! 🤗…….
Edit: yes please! Get the Lego model, it looks really good and would look even better in your videos 😁
All of them - captain, officers, radio operators, stewards, did their best to save those 720 people - but Marine engineers were the biggest heroes who had been working to the end and All Died then. All 35 engineers. They even had Two memorials - in Liverpool and Southampton
OMG YOUR MY FAVOURITE TH-cam THANKS FOR MAKING TITANIC STORIES!!
Thank you for making a video on this, I've always wondered this since first learning about the titanic back in 01' I'm glad you covered this topic, as i've never found somebody who has. Keep up the great work sam!
Hey, Sam. I’m a huge fan. I love the content. Keep it up!
Your channel is great. I’ve been watching for about a year now. I finally made it to one of the Titanic museums last month, at the Luxor in Las Vegas. Keep up the good work.
The lego titanic is my number one Christmas list item but I think you should get it cause it’s big so you point to so much details on the set cause when you did I can barely see.
I always learn something new from your content. Excellent video.
Massive Respect to those crew members. Very very sad...
I think the fact that most of the damage was done to Cargill Hall and the forepeak tank May account for one of the reasons why the captain and crew did not understand the true extent of the damage these were unmanned stations and they were not that easy to get through down into these holes in order to sound the ship and I think it may account for the reason why the captain and crew didn't initially think the Titanic was that damaged and why they may have inexplicably even sailed for another almost 20 minutes after striking the iceberg it was only after Thomas Andrew personally sounded the chef assess the damage and they started to receive severe flooding reports from Boiler Room 6 then they realized how morally wounded the ship was
Yeah, if *just* Boiler Rooms 6 and 5 flooded, then the bow wouldn't have been weighed down enough to cause the "ice cube tray" sinking effect. Maybe she could have limped along to New York. Or at least stayed afloat for hours longer, allowing rescue ships to arrive and the lifeboats to make another trip back and forth to pick up all her passengers.
@@danielbishop1863 I've done a lot of extensive research about the Collision itself in a way they were extremely lucky that Murdock at the very right moment Swan the rudder around and Port rounded the iceberg otherwise they would have scraped the iceberg along the whole length of the ship and she would have went down in 20 minutes the fact that they were able to stop the damage at Boiler Room 5 is either incredible luck or really good seamanship that they Port rounded the iceberg remember when a ship turns it's called tracking the as the bow of the ship is turning in that direction the stern of the ship actually is continuing to travel in a forward Direction so the ship actually skids when it turns and so that's the reason they portray around an object at the last second they swing the rudder back in towards the iceberg and that's swings the stern of the ship away from the iceberg they actually skitted along the side of the iceberg they didn't actually collide with it the way we think of a collision
Thanks Historic Travels for teaching me something new!
I really love the way you tell the stories
Take the plunge! You can use it and your other model. The other model you use can cover events while it was whole, the Lego one can separate to show events after breakup or for cross sections, or even post sinking displays
I see you got your details researched well Sam, the fourth funnel stack at the stern was just an air vent for the kitchen area.
Just found your channel. Super interesting video!!
I think the Lego Titanic is a must have for you. Also it is easier evaluating buying this thing if you show it to us.
Very interesting video. I learned something that I didn't previously know. Very well done! Thanks!
Do you know if they recovered the marconi wireless system this past summer? I know they were supposed to, but I also know that there was some controversy about recovering it. I haven't heard anything about it, was just wondering if you have? Thanks
Interesting details- never heard this part of the Titanic disaster. Very well done.
YES! 😃 Lego Titanic is a must.... as well as a building video/vids!!! 👷♂️
Yeah! Buy it and build it! Should be a really cool model!
Absolutely amazing job, Sam
I love your channel. You do a fantastic job. Thank you very much
Videos from this channel always make my day.
You are so kind
@@HistoricTravels I try to be
I did mean what I said in the comment tho.
My stress level is kinda elevated higher than usual. Mainly with what's being said on the news, and the fact that I'll most definitely not get all my late assignments in school done on time.
And when I'm stressed I'm not so kind.
Hi Sam I love watching your videos you explain everything so well your dedication to titanic history is outstanding keep up the great work
Regards Terry a fan from Australia
I am enjoying your videos, especially of the Titanic. My grandmother was born in 1912.
What a sacrifice they made in boiler room 5. Yes, yes, yes to the Lego Titanic model!
Honestly if you wanna go for it I absolutely recommend buying it. Theres something beautiful about those gigantic LEGO sets like Saturn V, the Titanic or the UCS Star Wars sets. However keep in mind that since the set has a lot of white bricks, it will yellow in the sun in a couple of years. It is pretty reversible though if youre willing to take your time.
yellowing is only in direct sunlight, and mostly older pieces too. if he keeps it in a dark-ish place or away from a window, should be find. i have white models that are well over a few years old with no yellow
I always thought it was some of the mail room staff who died first.
I think it was since I did read that two guys who were trying to get mail out of the rapidly flooding room died which was early on in the sinking.
You definitely should! It would look fantastic 👏
Just came across your channel, good vibes off you, commenting for the algorithm
Appreciate it!!
I like the new Lego Titanic model. I'm thinking of getting one myself. Yeah, you should get one, Sam. Excellent video as always. (Jan Griffiths).